08/10/2012 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.

Tonight's guest has already made it big in British TV, with dramas like

Cutting It, Mistresses, and Monroe. And now she's made it big in

America too, starring opposite Kevin Costner in her latest show.

Khedive name. Welcome. Nice to have you on the sofa. -- good evening.

We will talk about starring beside Kevin Costner. First of all will

talk about trains. I get the train every other day from Basingstoke to

London. I'm on the train a lot. I'm not a big fan because a lot of the

time I pay for a ticket and do not get a seat. There is something

romantic about train travel. I like them. Well, I travelled in today on

a train owned by this man. Richard Branson. On that short journey I

had a chat with some of his customers. I think the rail network

is too complicated. The whole ticketing system is too complicated.

Privatisation can be cured. By I cannot believe the amount of money

it costs to go through the tender process. -- it I cannot believe. I

am disappointed that Virgin has lost the franchise. The trains will

go but the price of the ticket is ridiculous. What is your question

full Richard Repp -- Richard Branson? Why should we bring back

British Rail? She then some of the profits go back into the trains.

Isn't there a way of simplifying the pricing structure? Well, I have

to say, first of all, everyone was very positive about the trouble.

Why shouldn't we renationalise the railways and bring back British

Rail? Good to talk to you. 15 years ago, if people can remember that

far back, British Rail ran the West Coast Main Line. It was dilapidated.

The trains did break down all the time. It was not a great experience.

Only about 10 million people use them. Over the last 15 years, the

team and Virgin trains have transformed the network. We have

three times as many people using them. Over the next 10 years,

became get that up to 50 million people. Lots of less people using

cars. Lots of people using the trains. By and large, people are

happy with the experience. I am sure there are still areas we can

improve on but it is completely and utterly different from when it was

run by the Government. Governments are not that great at running

companies. Last year was the first time you have repaid a premium to

the Government. One of your customers would like to know, why

should we pay a subsidy and you make a profit? It is a good

question. Before Virgin took over, it was costing the Government

billions to run the West Coast Main Line. We have offered to pay the

Government over 11 billion over the length of the new franchise.

Because there are so many extra passengers using the West Coast

franchise, instead of it being subsidised by the tax payer, the

tax payer now can literally get billions back. That is because we

managed to get so many extra people to use the trains. Is it possible

to simplified the price structure? People say, one day it cost this.

It is cheaper buying online than from the counter. What we have

tried to do is compete with airlines. Bringing in airline type

of travel so that elderly people, students, who do not have to travel

at peak times, like the business person has to, can get really cheap

fares. The average fare on Virgin is actually very low. Effectively,

what is happening, it is the businesses, who have business

travellers travelling at peak times are subsidising asked to be able to

bring in really cheap travel when the trains are often reasonably

empty. I think you do meet that mixture. Otherwise what happens is

you have massive overcrowding. People standing at peak times. What

we're trying to do is bread the amount of people out throughout the

day. Thank you very much, Richard. -- is spread. Now, the RSPCA say

the Dangerous Dogs Act doesn't work and innocent dogs are being put

down without having done anything wrong. Declan Lawn caught up with a

man whose fighting to save his dog after it was seized when he was

taking it for a walk. Over the last four years, the number of recorded

attacks by dangerous Dogs has leapt by nearly 40%. In fact, there are

about 6000 dog attacks every year. It makes you wonder why. We have

strange and dangerous dogs legislation to stop that from

happening. Clearly, something is not right there. More than 20 years

ago, have dug attack on a six-year- old made the Government have the

dangerous job -- the Dangerous Dogs Act. Some say it was rushed onto

the statute books without due consideration. It is now said the

actor is not fit for purpose. In July, I filled with animal welfare

officers in East London as they seized suspected illegal pit-bull

dogs. We are from animal welfare. Do you want to stop a minute?

was stopped in strap that when he was walking his dog. It does not

matter is -- if it is chipped and muzzled. If it looks like a pit-

bull type, it is taken in. It was deemed to be a pitbull. The last

time I saw you who were having your dog sees from you are on the street.

What was that like? Heartbreaking. They can stop puke at any time and

take your dog. They turn up with the police and welfare takes them.

You have no say in it. Illegal breed dogs are usually destroyed.

Occasionally owners can apply to the courts to keep them. Scott

decided he was going to fight for his dog. He was told he had to

attend a dog behaviour training course to work on the dog's

aggression. Sit. She will not be able to sit in this situation

because she is really anxious. she completes the course

successfully, Scott can applied for an exemption under the Dangerous

Dogs Act to get her back. In London last year, nearly 1000 dogs of

dangerous breeds were seized under the Dangerous Dogs Act and nearly

half were put down. Critics say many of these deaths were a

necessary because most dogs are destroyed due to their breed. The

RSPCA has teamed up with 20 other organisations to call for reform of

the Act. The RSPCA thinks the current legislation is not

effective. If the situation was that you punish the actual deed

rather than the breed, you could be more effective in protecting the

public and improving animal welfare. When you get a dog that is a

pitbull, are they more aggressive? Not that vets and nurses have

noticed. The fact of the matter is, they are friendly, placid and good

natured dog that of being put down just because they looked like a

certain type of dog. There are four band breeds but by far the most

common in the UK is the pit bull terrier. The Government department

responsible for this law is DEFRA. They have told us they currently

have no plans to change breed specific legislation. They say it

is helping the police to tackle dangerous Dogs before they can

attack people. Police say this legislation is necessary to protect

the public. The pit bull terrier does feature in a large number of

very serious attacks. It is a strong, powerful, tenacious dog. If

we have better education and training it would be geared to

repeal this legislation. At the moment, I cannot see how that could

be done. There are clearly many responsible dog owners out there

who believe their dogs are not dangerous, regardless of breed.

With so many horrendous attacks happening every year, this debate

about whether banning certain types of dog is the best way to protect

the public, is likely to continue for some time. For Scott, the

weight is finally over. Three months after she was seized, she is

finally going home. There is a good girl! Following the de behaviour

course, he has been to court and can now keep her. She has been to

toot and muted and Must Always wear a muzzle and be kept on a lead in

public. She is not dangerous. They should take each dog and owner on

its own case - its own merit. They should not be able to take people's

dogs because of the breed they are. Lovely to see the effort he is

putting him to get the dog back. is very difficult. I am a big dog

lover. Wearied dog-loving nation. I its own two dogs. -- we are paid to

of clubbing nation. I have a big dog. To me, he would not hurt a fly.

It puts us in a very difficult position. I love Macro dogs. I

often think, is it the way they are bread? Is it the way they are

trained? A lot of bought and used to fight, aren't they? You are

starring opposite Kevin Costner and playing his wife. It is called

Hatfields & McCoys. It is based on a true story, isn't it? It is a

very famous American story about two feuding families that live up

in the appellation mountains during the civil war. They fell out over a

peak. Right. Because of this falling out, they basically ended

up killing each other over the course of 20 years. They

slaughtered each other. Within that story There is a Romeo and Juliet

story. You have this beautiful love story. It is a great epic Western.

It has been described as... It is epic. Of all the parts I would ever

play, I never imagined I would be in a western. You know the Romeo

and Juliet story line, he is you telling the girl she was no longer

welcome in your family. You need to go back where you belong. I can see

you are not a bad person. This whole same is not right. Are you

asking me to leave? And don't you Your accent is absolutely

incredible. It is like you were born and raised there. When we went

for the audition, we were given an linked to some voices on the

internet we could listen to. It was a series of different women from

West Virginia. I picked the oldest one eye could find, she was about

80 years old. Whenever I hear my voice on there, I sound so old, I

think. I think I got away with it. You do age on the programme there.

I start at 21. Myself and the other lady on the cast, I started at 21

and aged 270. I never looked 21 when I was 21. The hair and make-up

people thought, we're going to have to make her look 21 and it will be

a nightmare. They scraped your head back and put the skull cap on. They

would get hold of the back of your hair and twist it like a wind up

toy. I kind of looked like Joan Rivers. For the whole day. They

were long filming days. At the end of the day, you'd look like one of

those dogs was dug it must have given you a massive headache.

those dogs. I had three scenes when I was 21 and that was enough.

Costner looks great as an older man. The boys just look fantastic all

the way through. We went through the ropes with make-up. He looks

great. You had quite a passionate scene with him. How nervous were

you? Really nervous. By the time that was felled, it was right at

the end of the filming process. -- films. They were threatening to

bring it might at the beginning. I said, at least, please let me have

a cup of tea with him before I fling myself into his arms. We did

not have been easier to go straight in? I do not know. I was still

thinking, it is Cayenne Cost love. Last time seen in the bodyguard. --

Kevin Costner. Within a day, you are sitting down, having an

excellent and talking about your We have revealed the UK's biggest

cave. It took an hour and a half for Miranda to get back to the

service. And in another equally fascinating film, the problem is

staying in, not getting out. Deep inside the hard core of the

said land, the sea has forced its way through a fracture in the rock

and carved a secret cavern. The cave of Jaws is the hidden beauty

that I am after, and it is right beneath my feet. -- cave of jewels.

But the problem is the huge tidal range, rising and falling up to 10

metres, flooding the cave and leaving me with just one way in. We

are just going up to the entrance now. Timing is critical. There is

only 20 minutes of slack water between tides before the current

becomes too strong again, making it impossible to stay in the cave. I

am keeping with all my might. -- kicking. I have always wanted to go

diving in this cave. I am full of expectation about what we might see.

Beautiful. So many different species. Elegant and fluffy

tentacles. Normally it is a deep- water species and I am only in five

metres of water. There must be something very special about this

cave. This is just something else. They feed by relying on whatever

comes past them in this crazy current that we are trying to work

in. They have stinging cells in the tips of their tentacles. They

immobilise their prey. They pass into the mouth in the centre. So

one thing that makes this cavers so unique, it is open at both ends.

There is a constant stream of food racing through on the tide and it

is pretty tough going for me, too. You can feel the power of the surge.

I cannot even stay still. It is just grazing. I knew I was in for

an adventure but I did not expect it to be like this. We will see

what is around the corner here. But looks like the cave is open to the

surface. There is light flooding in. My word! That is something truly

beautiful. I don't think I have ever seen it so many. That is

astonishing. These are the ones that you find in rock pools. The

walls are just encrusted with them. The position of the cave, geology

and massive tidal range, have all helped create the perfect habitat

for these huge colonies. The colours are amazing. The offspring

inherit their colour from their parents. This colony is likely to

be one big family. One way that they reproduce his by forming but,

Chloe, at their base. -- is by forming a club clone at their base.

For ammunition, they release toxins from this beautiful necklace of

delicate but deadly Beaves. Even as the tide changes and the water

level drops, the air above the surface is still damp and the

temperature is constantly cool. When they are exposed, they can

close up and survive until the tide covers them again. This is a deep-

water species normally found much deeper than this. They are so at

home, thriving in the shallow waters of the cave. It makes this

place even more unique. With their stunning colours and droplets on

the tips of their tentacles, they looked just like a crown of jewels.

That current is really surging and it is about to drag me out of the

cave. Our narrow window of time is nearly up and we will have to leave

the secrets behind. It is time to go. As far as treasure hunts go,

that was definitely the best. How brave! Incredible. Beautiful

visibility. You do a lot of diving, Sarah. How much have you done

around UK? I have done no diving around the UK and now I have seen

that, I will. Usually you do not want to go diving in the UK because

it is cold and you think the visibility will be bad. How was the

temperature, Miranda? It was cool. I was wearing a dry suit. You could

have a sweater and a pair of jeans on! As long as you let out the air

first! I was wondering how on earth you measure the cave? The one that

I was exploring on Friday, they took this massive scanner down,

like a printer that you would have at home. When we were going through

the last hole before the big cavern, there was a lump hammer and they

have to make that hole bigger to get this piece of equipment in. It

was a very expensive piece of equipment, basically a laser to

scan the inside of the cave. They get an idea of the area of the

floor of the cave and that is currently how they measure the size

of it. Everybody wants to have the biggest cave, so there are debates,

but this one has the biggest floor area in the UK at the moment.

have become our cave Correspondent! If I do not want to be known for

doing cavers! But they were all amazing. What was it like, that

murmured, when you lit up that enormous cavern? -- that moment?

was phenomenal. You can only see a few metres ahead of you, and then

suddenly we could light the whole cave. You have no idea how enormous

it is. Even these pictures do not do it justice. Incredible for you,

but for the people that had been down there for years? Yes, because

they had been excavating for 40 years and nobody really knew how

big it was until that moment when we put the lights on and took down

the film crew. There was this big sharp intake of breath, magical.

How do they know which way to go, the cavers? I think they have got

the 6th sense, really. They look for two things, the scallop a

pattern on the cave ball, formed when the flow of the ancient

underground river. -- the scallop pattern on the cave wall. They can

work out the way that the river was flowing. If they find a crack in

the corner of the cave, they sense a draft. We went into one corner.

The chap said that there was a howling draught, and you cannot

feel a thing, but they can sense it, indicating another Kavan beyond.

Then they can excavate through and find it. Astonishing. The good news

is that we have found another cave! That is all for now, don't worry!

And talking about amazing things, Phil Tufnell has seen some amazing

art on The One Show but he could not believe his eyes when he saw

these pieces from a Norwegian artist. Glaswegian! They are quite

something. He took them out onto the street to see if anybody was as

surprised as him. Look at these images. They are nice.

Very nice. Would you so that they are photographs or drawing? --

would you say? Photographs. photographs. Would it surprise you

if I told you that they were drawing? Yes. They are very

realistic and accurate. The hair on his face, you cannot see any pencil

marks. It's they look nothing like roarings. -- drawings. Paul has an

unusual style. He draws with pencil, and they are so realistic that they

look like photographs. This is a master of high surrealism. No

chucking paint around. It requires a high for detail, a steady hand

and a very sharp pencil. When I was a child I used to buy lots of

comics and I used to spend hours replicating them in detail. I don't

know why. It was a way of capturing the life of the comic. I practise

them for hours, may be drawing tanks and battleships. I got the

knack. You copying photographs? photographers copying life? For me

the photograph is the jumping of point. It is the inspiration.

surrealism was popularised in the 60s by Chuck Close. Paul follows

their tradition by imitating the accuracy of photographs to create

lifelike drawings. Piper realist artists use many tricks to achieve

this amazing degree of detail. Paul uses the grid technique. He draws

lines over an image to create smaller sections. Each little one

becomes its own painting. We are breaking them down so it is easier

to work through at each stage. scrutinises the tones and textures

in each section to get as much visual information as possible. It

is this extra layer of detail that creates hyper-real work. Does it

affect your eyes? Yes. I use this, like a jeweller's magnifying glass.

It gives you extra detail. I'm getting short-sighted. You will see

the difference if you get right up close. It is very good. You can use

a microscope next! Do you have to use special pencils and paper?

went through various types of paper, watercolour, and so on, but I found

recycled cartridge paper was the best. They are standard pencils.

You have any special equipment? find this, it looks quite strange,

but I can use it to highlight. You can really make it pop with that.

Some people use a little scalpel. But that is more powerful. It can

take Paul up to two months to complete these complex drawings.

Are you trying to trick people into believing that they are

photographs? It was never about tricking people. It was never an

illusion. You are creating a new reality. I am trying to intensify

the normal. You can discuss whether it is a picture or not, which is

fun, but the viewer will always have an emotional reaction. That

reaction could just be that it is well done, which is fine. I'm not

trying to trick anybody. Paul might not intentionally set out to trick

us, but to create a version of reality we would never find in a

photograph. Very thick Norwegian accent! The