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With Michelle Ackerley. And Matt Baker.

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Topping the bill, a man who's almost guaranteed to make tonight's show

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a hit because these days that's the only type of show he knows.

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Lovely to see you, Cam. Some fans of yours into night. I am here because

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of them! You've had huge hits

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with Miss Saigon, Les Miserables But if we go back to the very early

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days, Cam, to the start, things were a bit shaky. I was an overnight

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success in 17 years, before cats. I learned my craft which was the most

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important thing. A dreadful thing to say, but I did my very first show 50

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years ago this June. It was called the Reluctant Debutant, which I was

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not at the age of 20. I am amazed I am still going all these years later

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and my shows are as fresh as ever and new audiences are going to see

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it. Thrilled. We spent the weekend at Half A Sixpence, it was a magical

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show. We will talk about that, but first this morning, Jeremy Corbyn

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was on the radio and he mentioned the fact he would like to see a cap

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on wages. You have been incredibly successful obviously, and I know you

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did not hear what he said... I am hearing it now. Tell me what he

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said. As an instant reaction, hearing the phrase, I would like to

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see a cap on wages...? Like all things, it depends on circumstances.

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If it's a public company with shareholders, maybe there is an

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argument for that, I don't know. A private company, I feel if you are

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running it, you do the best for all the people that you work with.

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Luckily for me, most people who have worked for me have worked for me for

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over 30 years. I have not been too Scrooge like. Varying opinions.

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As always, we're keen to hear what you think,

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so we sent Angellica to Eccles to ask the same question -

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should we limit salaries to close the growing gap between the richest

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We have all heard about the minimum wage. What about the maximum wage? A

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cap on those who earn what some might consider extreme salaries. But

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how much is too much? Would capping a salary achieve anything? Do you

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think there should be a cap on how much we earn? Definitely not.

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Because I think you have to inspire people to achieve, and I think if

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you put a ceiling on that, it sends the wrong message. If people are

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willing to give up their time to become professionals, then yes, they

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do deserve more, don't they? A quarter of ?1 million a week? What a

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joke. I wouldn't earn that in a lifetime. How much do you think is

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enough? 50 grand a year, easy to live off. If you say to someone,

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they cannot earn X amount, the spin off is less jobs, and one thing

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Eccles needs is jobs. I don't think there should be a cap, but possibly

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controls because people work hard for the income they get. I think the

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top earners are going to hide. There is only a limit on what you can

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spend, how many Ferraris do you want in the garage? What is enough to

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survive on in a year? 500,000. So you would be fine micro for the

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government to say that is your limit? -- fine for the government to

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say that is your limit? You are seeing the zeros! Later, the Labour

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leader seemed to back away from the idea of a cap, so it is getting

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people talking. I don't know about half a million, let's talk about

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Half A Sixpence. Very good! I lived on ?14 a week when I started, but I

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save ?1 a week. I was a cleaner at Drury Lane and I was a stagehand

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backstage on the original production of Camelot. And now down the road,

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there is Half A Sixpence at the Noel Coward Theatre, which is where

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Oliver started. A wonderful theatre. That is why I wanted to put Half A

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Sixpence in there, an amazing theatre. A lot of people in the

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audience when I was there were talking back to the good old days of

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Tommy Steele, let's see him in action in the 60s film.

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# What a picture. As you say, back on stage, but you

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have changed it quite a bit. 75% a new show. The wonderful Julian

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Fellowes, wonderful new songs. I hadn't seen the show since the

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original onstage at the Cambridge Theatre, 1963. The reason it

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happened, and it took me nine years to do it, I started nine years ago.

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It suddenly popped into my head that HG Wells was a local to Chichester,

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where he grew up. What nobody realises, and I didn't, it is

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semiautobiographical. He was a draper's assistant and hated it so

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much that he ran away. Became a supply teacher and was given the

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keys to the library, and that's when he decided to become one of the

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greatest English writers of all time. He loved winning a lot. A lot

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more than we have as the two lovely leading ladies in Half A Sixpence.

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It touches on every area of his life. What is fascinating about you,

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Cameron, your attention to detail. You have shows going worldwide, but

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you have reports on every single one of them, which is just really

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drilling down into what exactly is going on with the show. You think

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that's the secret to your success, why things are going well, because

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you are so invested? I did drive them all potty, but hopefully... For

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instance, I work with Julian Fellowes, the writers of the new

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songs and those who rearranged the originals. I worked with them from

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the outset. As it was with Mary Poppins, it's my idea to turn it,

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and I work on the structure. Luckily for us, Julian Fellowes immediately

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read the book and several years ago said, I know how to do it. That we

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had to wait all these years to get the rights to redo it. Between us,

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the whole team, every element of the show I pull together, and I work

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with the designer, the costume designer, the sound design, the

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orchestrator, on every single element. For me, all of that is just

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as important as building the fabric of the actors. Mary Poppins is on in

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Cardiff... It finishes an incredibly successful tour, it is about to go

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to Zurich and Dubai, the new Opera house. And hopefully before the end

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of the year it will be back in London. You can tell you are so

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passionate about it. We will get a taste of Half A Sixpence later on,

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the cast will be here performing the brilliant Flash Bang Wallop. A

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brilliant company. You are going to love it. Flash Bang Wallop sounds

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something like the one:would say. He is tireless in his mission to save

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people money and he has some more advice. -- something like Dom would

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say. To save money, you have to spend faster.

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Buying presents for your nearest and dearest can be a nightmare, and

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getting it wrong can prove an expensive mistake. So it is no

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surprise more of us are going for the easy option, gift cards. In

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fact, last year, purchases of gift cards and vouchers went up 4% to hit

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more than ?5 million. -- ?5 billion. But ?300 million of that will never

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be redeemed, and that is because most expiry dates start from the

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date of purchase, so you will probably have no idea when the money

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is going to run out. See if you can spot an expiry date on that card

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anywhere. Did you know they have an expiry date? Yeah, I did, a year, is

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dead? They are all different. -- isn't it? It is no wonder shoppers

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are getting confused. Different companies have completely different

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rules. Like many retailers, Marks and Spencer...

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INAUDIBLE. A number of companies have a limit,

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such as online ticket specialist Ticketmaster. If you get your mum a

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fancy afternoon voucher from Harvey nicks, she will have to use it in

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six months. Harvey Nichols said they are phasing out their six-month

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voucher in favour of a two-year gift card. Ticketmaster 's point out that

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customers need to bend a gift card within 12 months of purchase, but it

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doesn't have to be on an event that year. -- to spend.

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There are alternatives, like the one for all gift card that can be used

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with a range of retailers. But you had better spend the cash before the

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18 month deadline or they will start charging you a 90p per month fee.

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Cheeky! They say they don't receive any income for gift cards until they

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are spent at a retailer, said the 90p deduction from the cards helps

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cover their costs. So, another card, another policy. Confused? James from

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Fair Finance says there is a simple solution, get rid of expiry dates

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altogether. A lot of people will not realise the clock is ticking on

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their gift card and they could expire any moment. These are gifts,

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not a cash cow for the companies who already have the money in their

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coffers. If they care about their customers, there is no good reason

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for an expiry date. The have been calls for the government to put a

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minimum two-year expiry period on all gift cards, but for now the UK

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gift card and voucher associations say that although its best practice

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to offer a two-year expiry date, the decision is that the retailer's this

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question. So any confusion over gift card rules is set to continue for a

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while longer. I think it's time for some retail therapy. Meet consumer

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champion Helen complaining cow readily. She wants to make sure we

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don't lose out. If you are giving a gift card, give it with the receipt,

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which tends to have the expiry date, the transaction details. If you have

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a gift card and you don't know how long is left, whenever you go in the

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store, get them to swipe it. A lot of the big ones will restart the

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year, 24 months, from the date that they swipe The Card. Even without

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spending money? Absolutely. If all else fails, what can you do if you

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miss the date? Legally, not a lot. But you can try it on. Go to the

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store, write to customer services, tell them what you think. If more

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people complain, they will get rid of them. In the meantime, these

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should come with warnings, because if you don't use them, you risk

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losing them. So the advice is spend them!

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We heard from the complaining cow, that is her name! Try it on. You

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have tried it on but it didn't work for you. Dom got done! At the Ritz,

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they say a memory will last for ever... Until it expires! I said,

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would you extended, they said, sling your hook! We have had more luck.

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The team found around and spoke to a dozen different stores about these

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cards. Ted Baker and Nando's said, not a problem, they would extend

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them. Others said maybe, some said no, so ask and see how you get on. A

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man after your own heart, Cameron, you hate a rip-off and you have been

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key combating ticket touts in theatres. Ticket touting has been

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with us since the ice age, but particularly since technology has

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speeded up the ways that people can be ripped off, it has become an

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epidemic. The producers of Harry Potter have done a terrific job in

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already combating a lot, people trying to get tickets for that. In a

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couple of days, I'm about to announce what we are going to do for

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this upcoming musical called Hamilton. Which is a wonderful show.

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But of course, in America, huge amounts of those tickets have been

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passing hands for enormous amounts of money. It doesn't go to the

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production, it doesn't go to anyone... The public are ripped off

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and we need to stop it. You have a plan to combat it? No one can ever

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have a foolproof plan with the touts, but a revolution I think in

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tickets selling for London. Hopefully we will unveil it this

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week and it will allow as many people as possible to buy tickets

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for the show. Across the price range. Dom, what other government

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doing? They have a three pronged attack. A lot of people don't

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realise, when you are online and trying to buy tickets, you are

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competing against bot technology, a computer programme harvesting the

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tickets and the touts selling them. So it is you against a computer? It

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can be. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport are trying to get

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this stopped in Parliament. It has not gone through yet, it could go to

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the House of Lords. The competition and marketing authority have

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launched an investigation as to whether some of the companies

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selling the tickets are abiding by current consumer law. And HMRC are

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going to investigate to kick outs and the income they might be

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getting, putting it through other companies, so they are coming at it

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quite strong. Dom, thank you. Christine is well and truly out of

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her comfort zone tonight. As a gardener, I enjoy walking in

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the fresh air, listening to nature and the birds. I think mother nature

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has done a particularly good job, but in Cardiff, a group of artists

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and designers have come together to prove that by using modern

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technology, we can see nature in a totally different way. In the heart

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of the Welsh capital lies the stunning Bute Park, an unlikely

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setting for a virtual reality revolution. It has been started by

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Robbie McNicholas, who wants to turn us into animals. We have looked at

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the different animals that live in the UK Forest and adapted virtual

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reality using Sound and vibration is, and created an experience that

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puts you in the bodies of those creatures. Each one of these bizarre

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helmets contains a pair of virtual reality goggles which transport the

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wearer to an imaginary computer-generated forests that can

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be explored simply by moving your head, while sounds and vibrations

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add to the realism. The idea is to experience the world through the

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eyes of a mosquito, a dragonfly, a frog, and an owl. It's all very

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clever, but I want to know, how can we possibly know how these animals

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see the world? There is a generous wrinkling of artistic licence in

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what we have done, but we started with science, or so we code -- we

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consulted the Forestry Commission. The dragonfly, for instance, sees a

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much broader spectrum of light than our eyes can cope with. To find out

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what Robin is on about, I am going to dive into this virtual world. It

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looks like pink splodges. Apparently, these splodges are

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particles of carbon dioxide which mosquitoes can sense. It's gold on

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the bottom, and I can see some things sticking up. I am told they

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are meant to be trees. That was very weird. I couldn't really work out

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what anything was, but I think that might have been my eyesight. It's

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not just my eyesight that's bothering me about this. Modern

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technology dominates our lives today, but shouldn't the outdoors be

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somewhere we can escape it? PHONE RINGS

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Excuse me. Not everyone would agree with me. Some people rely on

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technology more than others. Charles Gibbs has a rare muscle wasting

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condition which makes visiting forests very tricky. One of the

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biggest Rob is about getting out into the countryside is access. With

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a wheelchair, you cannot go over a stile or through a gate. Leaving

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virtual reality could help? Absolutely. It will bring the

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countryside to people. It is a brilliant concept and I look forward

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to doing it again. Time for Charles to magically transform into a

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dragonfly. This is the most extraordinary experience I have ever

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had, just as if I were flying. It may be virtual, but this technology

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allows Charles to experience a world that normally would be inaccessible,

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and brings nature just a little bit closer. How did you find that? My

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goodness! That was absolutely tremendous, especially for me as a

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disabled person, that was such an out of body experience, the freedom

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of movement that I have not experienced for some time. So, that

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was absolutely superb. I have got to get me one of those, as they say! I

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am grateful to look through the world -- look at the world through

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the eyes of another animal, but I don't think I will miss these.

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Lovely to hit what Charles was saying, how liberating it was. We

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saw Christine there, she experienced musky division, but Cameron, we were

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wondering what it was like to see through your eyes, so we have come

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up with state-of-the-art technology, the Cam camera glasses. When we put

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these on, we get to see what the world looks like through Cameron

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Mackintosh's eyes. Let's have a look. Wow! It's a whole new world.

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You'll put me out of a job! Wow! That's quite something. Stars are

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born. Oh my God! Steady on! I feel a bit too young for that. You may

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laugh, but wait until you see the camera transform our normally drab

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and drizzly piazza. The cast of Half A Sixpence will perform live in just

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a moment and it will be brilliant. No Cam glasses needed. That is after

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Dan tells us about a mystery that is almost 100 years old.

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Captain Edward Brittain was just 22 in June 1918, when he decided to

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charge towards the enemy inwards in northern Italy. -- in woods. His

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decision cost him his life. But was there more to this act then simply

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bravery or recklessness? Edward Brittain enlisted with the British

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Army at the age of 18, so young that his application had to be signed by

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his parents. His military service record makes for impressive reading.

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Edward fought at the Battle of the Somme in the summer of 1916 and

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received the military Cross. The citation showed that -- said that he

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showed conspicuous gallantry and leadership. Although he was severely

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wounded, he continued to lead his men with calmness and bravery until

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he was disabled by a second wound. But by 1918, this fine officer was

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in danger of having his reputation ruined. There is evidence that he

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was about to be exposed as a homosexual. Sexual relations between

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men were not decriminalised in Britain until the 1960s will stop

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Julian has studied attitudes to homosexuality during the First World

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War. Once the war had started, there is the idea that homosexual acts

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were somehow subversive and aided the enemy, and that this advice was

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threatening the war effort. There is a rising tide of homophobia during

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the First World War? Yeah, it becomes hysteria. Approximately how

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many men from the Army were put on trial? Maybe 300. If you are run

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ordinary soldier, you get sentenced to a spell in prison and you get

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drummed out of the Army. If you are run officer, it is that much worse,

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in a way. You were humiliated, and you would find employment extremely

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difficult to obtain, if it had attracted publicity in the

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newspapers. Edward could have been cast aside. Certainly, many others

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were. His sister Vera went on to become a renowned writer. She

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immortalised her brother in her memoir, Testament Of Youth, a

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coming-of-age story about her experience during the war. Mark

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Bostwick has written a book about the and her brother, and he believes

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that Edward's tragic death may have been related to his being outed as a

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homosexual. Edward's commanding officer was content -- contacted by

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the military police, who told him they had intercepted correspondence

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making it unmistakably plain that these officers had been involved in

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homosexuality with men in their company. The day before them

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battle... INAUDIBLE

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He said to Edward, I did not realise that letters were censored at pace.

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He was trying to give Edward a coded warning.

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Edward goes into battle the next day and is killed. Do you think he

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wanted to die? All we can say, which Vera Brittain herself wrote, is that

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Edward's last days and hours must have been awful and dreadful. To

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have been such a distinguished officer and to have gone through the

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entire war, to have lost his closest friends and then to have this awful

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threat of being court-martialed for homosexuality is difficult to

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imagine. Edward died just months before the war ended and stop his

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sister never stop the grieving for him. The red Brittain never publicly

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commented on the circumstances surrounding her brother's there, but

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in her writing there was a hint as to how she must have felt. In one of

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her novels, one of the characters, an officer, tragically chooses death

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rather than face the shame of revelations about his sexuality.

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Thanks to Dan Snow for that story. Now, Cameron, who is here with our

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amazing Half A Sixpence cast, has a very special announcement. To

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encourage lots of Flash Bang Wallop tonight, I want to tell you we are

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extending through the summer into September. You are also brilliant.

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Thank you for being an amazing cast. Cameron, thank you so much.

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at the Noel Coward Theatre in London.

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Tomorrow the stars the Pointless and Call

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Now, performing the classic song Flash Bang Wallop,

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# All trying hard not to laugh up in a morning suit

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# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture

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# What a picture, what a photograph # Poor old soul, blimey, what a joke

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# Hat blown off in a cloud of smoke # Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet

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# Decided to get wed in their birthday suit

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# The man with the cam'ra said to taste the fruit

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# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture

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# Poor old Eve, there with nothing on

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# Face all red and 'er fig leaf gone # Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet

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# What a picture, what a picture bass drum, W-e-e-a-ay!

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# All the way from Waterloo from the battle scene

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# She said to 'im, in French of course

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# As he took of his big cocked 'at

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# 'Old it, flash, bang, wallop, what a picture

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# What a picture, what a photograph # There she was, with a big Hussar

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# All caught up in 'er oh-la-la

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# Clap 'ands, stamp yer feet, Ye-e-a-y!

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