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Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by the stars of Christopher Nolan's epic new thriller Dunkirk, Sir Mark Rylance and Jack Lowden.

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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon.


And tonight, we are unashamedly celebrating


It's all in honour of what's set to be one of the blockbusters


A tale of heroics and grit starring the most-incredible cast.


And tonight's guests, Jack Lowden and Sir Mark Rylance!


Hello. Fans are in tonight and from all over the world, we know that. We


have been talking to wonderful audience from Brazil. We are on BBC


Two. Konta is through to the semi-finals. Are you a big tennis


fan? In a big way. Have you been watching it downstairs? We have. I


keep a close eye on Andy's games. It's good both are through. No, Andy


has not played yet. He got through yesterday. Further along. Yeah. He


is doing all right. He is still in. Fingers crossed.


Fingers crossed indeed. Mark, the last time you were on the One Show


you hadn't been knighted. That was the first time I was announced. How


does it feel, is it sitting well with you? It hasn't gone to your


head. You took the Tube here tonight? How does it go to one's


head. Does it is appear on one's head. A giant helmet, I guess! You


still travel by the Tube, do you get hassled at all? No, I don't get


hassled on the Tube, no. Is it breezy? I wouldn't say the Tube is


breezy, clas are phobic. I don't get hassled. Jack, what a career you


have had. 27 years old now, won an Olivia award when you came out of


drama school, Wolf Hall and War Peace. Was there a moment when you


thought - this is it, it's happening, life will never be the


same again? When I got the lead in a the production of the Boyfriend when


I was 18. I was big in that scene, back then. OK. Sometimes it's the


little roles where you think, someone is taking notice. That's


where I grew up in the Boreders in these amateur companies. That is


where I started with my brother, he's a ballet dancer.


I followed him and was told I was useless at that. I became a narrator


in the ballet shows. I'm not dancing as much as I should be! Mark, with a


was the first moment when you thought - yes, this is what I want


to do with the rest of my life? I don't know if I thought that at that


moment. It was in school. When other kids in school came up to me and


said, "you're the actor." I had little idea of who I was. I still


don't have much idea. I did an improvisation of a gunfighter in a


drama class at school. I remember some other kids saying, "you're the


actor." I thought, "is that what I am?" I still remember that. Talking


of those small beginnings. Anyone living in a small town Orvilleage


will know how big an impact the closure of local services can have.


Take pubs, for example. Over the next year, 500 high street banks are


expected to shut up shop. The residents of Lymm in Cheshire are


having none of it. They are using an age-old law to prevent another bank


withdrawal. Here is Nick. The village of Lymm in North Cheshire


has 12,000 people, 147 retailers, but only one bank. Today, this


branch of Lloyds is closing down. It means for the first time in


generations residents will no longer have a local bank to serve the needs


of the community. Local people are very unhappy about it. It's part and


parcel of our community having a bank. It's dreadful. It's desperate


for the This was the village. Old NatWest. That went two years ago.


This was the Barclays Bank. This used to be the TSB. To save the last


branch on the high street the people of Lymm are taking the fight to one


of Britain's biggest banks, leading the charge is parish Cllr, Graham.


It's a momentous and sad day? We are a thriving community. It's our last


bank. We are fighting to keep it open. We need Lloyds to engage with


us. Three months since they announced the closure,


five-and-a-half hours before the bank is due to close for good,


Lloyds Management agreed to their first faces to face meeting with


Graham and the parish council. It's Lymm's last chance to get Lloyds to


reverse their decision. How will you play this? We will explain about


what Lymm offers to a bank like Lloyds. We need them to understand


the importance that they are to the village and what the village can


give to them as a business. We want to do something that will help them


change their minds we will give them promises and work with them to get


more customers for them. Lloyds told us that for security reasons we


couldn't film the meeting. They did say they are closing because the


branches has 18 regular customers. They define a regular customer who


makes one visit a week for 48 weeks of the year. There are unhads of


local Lloyds account-holders who use the bank frequently, some of them


even switched especially. How does it affect new It affects us


personally, we were originally banking with NatWest across the


road. They closed. They did. We went to Barclays Bank. They closed. We


are with Lloyd, they are closing today. What will you do with your


end of the week takings? I will have to get a member of staff or my


husband to take it over to alring ham or Warrington because it's an


hour-long I don't drive trip. . I wouldn't really risk getting on


public transport with all the takings of the shop. I just wouldn't


feel safe. For 94-year-old Betty James no bank on her doorstep means


a 12 mile round trip to the next nearest branch. Like 40er % of us,


she doesn't do online banking. How do you feel about the bank closing?


-- 40%. Gutted, really. We've nowhere else. I can't go on buses


and things now like I used to. I have to get my daughter to go to


Warrington, to the nearest one. It's been 80 minutes since Graham and the


parish councillors went for their meeting. Have they convinced Lloyds


to keep the branch opening? No interest. Disgraceful. Why have us


here on the last day. Why have an engagement process if you aren't


going to take any notice of it. Lloyds say they have engaged with


customers and local business leaders to explain their decision and


offered advice on alternative ways to bank. At 3.30pm the bank closes


its doors for the very last time, but this may not mean the end of


banking in Lymm. A month ago, Graham managed to get the building


officially recognised as an asset for the community, something more


commonly associated with saving pubs. Unlike the other branches that


have closed, you have put a special order on this Lloyds Bank branch.


What have you done? You have some control over is something called an


asset of community value. It's a special order that says the use of


the building can't change without planning permission. It takes away


permitted development rights. Rather than shutting it or turning it into


a pub or restaurant, they have to think about issues as a bank. That


is what we are aiming for. A lot of people who need a bank. If we can


get one of the nationals, I'm sure we could get a groundswell of public


opinion behind that and getting people to move to them. A shortage


of customers this is something these residents say any new bank wouldn't


needed to worry about. I would transfer and I know a lot of people


would. Is if another bank came I would switch. I would encourage


switch and clients to switch as well. It keeps it obviously in the


village. We will carry on with this, definitely. We need someone to come


and help us. Come on, any banks out there! Thank you Nick. As always.


You are both on to talk about Dunkirk, this epic movie which opens


on the 21st July. Mark, we were chatting there. You are the only one


amongst us that hasn't seen it yet! It's remarkable, to be honest with


you. Robert Mitcham used to say, "they don't pay me to watch the


films." It's the premier? I prefer to see it with friends and a real


audience. I saw Bridge of Spies on my own. They put a security guard


next to you to make sure you don't film it or steal it. I felt a bit


comfortable. I prefer to get my friends together and sit-in the


crowd and watch it together. In the IMAXX cinema. I did it at 7.00am,


quite a way to wake up, let me tell you. It's about an important part of


our history. This will be a question to you then, Jack. It hasn't been


given the Titanic treatment. How important for you is that it that it


hasn't been romantised in anyway? Massively. I think when I saw it the


thing I took away was how, sort of, suffocating it is in a way. It's


more story about survival and not necessarily about that very


anti-kwated Dunkirk spirit, rose tainted thing, it's a community


spirit. The film very much starts straightaway in the action. It


treats the audience with a bit of intelligence, you know. Presuming


you guys will know what the situation was. They don't have to


build it all up. It's about brilliant servicemen doing their


job. You can kind of feel the fear and you see these are young, young


men in a terrifying situation. Yeah. I mean, I play an RAF pilot, you


know, amongst the research I did I found out the average age of a pilot


was 20 years old, the youngest was 18. It did make you think - what


were you doing at 18? For sure. Absolutely. Christopher Nolan


directed and was determined it was hyper real. A lot of very young


actors, a lot of unknown actors, shot on Dunkirk beach as well. Did


that make it... Did it make it easier or more difficult to film


like that? We weren't really ever on Dunkirk beach. I was there one day.


We did the training on the boat. 300 feet off the beach. That was very


extraordinary to be in the place. There's still a lot of sunk boats


and sunk other things down beneath the ocean there. You just feel how


close to home it is. Very much a film about being very near to home


and yet not able to get home. So far away. Longing to be home you could


well imagine these extraordinary soldiers who would queue up. They


formed queues and then the bombers would come and they would hide. They


would get back up inlet same position in the queue.


Extraordinary. The very interesting thing about this film is the fact


it's three different perspectives, somebody isn't it? A week for those


on land. An hour for those up in the air and a day for those on the


little ships. Mark, you are the skipper of one of the little ships


that went over. We will look at the moment your character takes matters


into his own hands and sets off for Dunkirk. Ready on the stern line,


George. Aren't you waiting on the Navy.


The captain and his son. Thanks for the help, George. Ha are you doing.


You do know where we're going? France. Into war, George. I'll be


useful, sir. APPLAUSE


Wow. Is sends shivers down your spine. Something poignant about that


young boy, 17, "I'll be useful" that naivete going in slightly blind


never knowing whether he will be back. Talking about the cast, the


age of the cast as well is so important and also the fact that


they are British and Irish as well. It was... That was one of the things


that Christopher Nolan, the problems he had, it wasn't a big American


story with all this cast. It took a while to get going? He hasn't put


blood and gore into it. Not that blood and gore doesn't happen in


films. In some films you see exploding heads and all kinds of


things that are hard to watch. He has given it, it's a PG13 rating in


America the equivalent here. The young boys who hopefully won't have


to fight in wars, in my generation, hasn't had to fight wars where you


are forced into it, it's good for young byes to be able to see the


chaos -- boys, and the horror of war. If the evacuation hadn't


happened. The evacuation of so many of our


troops from the beaches of Dunkirk was described as a "miracle"


by Winston Churchill. In little over a week,


what started as a catastrophic military defeat soon became a moral


victory, thanks to a few hundred On the 26th of May 1940, the


greatest ever military evacuation was attempted as around 400,000


Allied troops were trapped by the advancing German army on the north


coast of France around Dunkirk. They were the British expeditionary


Force, the BEF, in France and Belgium to fight the Nazi advance.


The BEF, Waterboys page they are writing in the annals of the Army.


It was all rather marvellous, all part of the adventure. At last,


action, something is going to happen and I'm a part of it. The BEF were


soon forced to retreat by the power of the German military machine.


Heading to Dunkirk, everyone said, that is where you are going, where


that big column of smoke is so they were all heading that way. It all


went to blazes from thereon. It was more or less, find your own way. We


were in full retreat. There was no question of that. With the Allied


troops were stranded, an emergency call went out. Every kind of small


craft, destroyers, paddle steamers, motorboats... In all, 800 came to


the rescue. There began a nine-day evacuation of the Allied troops who


were under extreme fire. You've got to remember, your running across the


beach and jumping over blokes, dodging and diving because they are


coming and machine-gunning you and everything else. There were hundreds


and hundreds of Scholl -- soldiers on the sand, ships coming in, trying


to pick them up but there were so many commie thought you would never


get those people. Over 338,000 soldiers were rescued and for some,


that turned defeat into victory. I had no feeling of failure. We fought


to the last, with the greatest effect we could bring to bear when


you are on your own and that kind of thing. Despite the success of the


evacuation and in record numbers rescued, just over 68,000 British


troops were killed or captured. I would say it was England's saddest


hour as opposed to its greatest. I think it's hard and the resolve of


the British people. -- it hardened the resolve.


Jack, you touched earlier on a bit of research you had done but how


much did you know from personal perspective about what went on


Dunkirk? I knew a fair bit. I was very, and still am, into history, at


school. But I guess it depends on where you grew up. Where I grew up,


we were taught a lot about scarf of low, Upper Orkney and the Navy up


there. Was your great uncle in the RAF? He was, Jimmy Ross, he came


from Musselburgh. We don't know much about him but he was a Flying


Officer in the RAF. No one -- Christopher Nolan has famously not


relied on CGI which is normally the go to in a film of this scale, 6000


vectors on the beach, described as a military operation in itself but in


terms of being up in the Spitfire... Yeah. How did it even work? They


just got a pilot and they put him in the back in the fight and put the


camera on the wing and we went up. -- and me in the front. We were over


the Channel, where it happened. So, Mark, you were doing a similar thing


but from a boating perspective. What was it like having all the planes


and effectively the Luftwaffe and what have you flying overhead? It


was terrifying but something I whizz imagined, I loved the Battle of


Britain so much I would watch it every time it was on TV so having


the action planes like the Messerschmitt and the Spitfire


flying very low over you, it feels like they were not higher than the


ceiling and you would see them coming in a long loop towards you,


the sound of the old engines roaring over you is very exciting. You


looked very comfortable on the little boat. Well, we were after


awhile! The first time, we nearly jumped off. Quite vulnerable in


terms of the scale of the rest of what was happening around you. But I


bet you got very close to that little boat by the finish. I did,


yeah. I can imagine. Every great blockbuster


needs a great tag line. With Dunkirk, it's simply "the event


that shaped our world". Right up there with Alien's "In


space, no-one can hear you scream". And my personal favourite, Chicken


Run - "Escape or die frying!" And we've got the perfect


one for our next film, "the tree that launched


a million pies". Apple pie is one of the nation's


favourites and at the heart of every good apple pie is a very special


Apple. This, the Bramley. When it is raw, it is sharp and bitter, but


when cooked, it is sweet and golden. As a chef, I find the Bramley


apple's unique cooking flavour unrivalled and it is this taste that


has fuelled a multi-million pound industry. But the Bramley is


potentially under threat. What most people don't realise is that every


single Bramley apple tree comes from a cutting of just one tree. And that


tree is starting to die. The parent of every Bramley apple ever eaten


lives here in a garden in Nottinghamshire. Scientist Professor


Ted Copping has been working to try to save it. This is the original


that was planted here over 200 years ago by a small girl called Mary Ann


Brailsford who took the pit of an apple, the seed, and planted it. In


a genetic fluke, that seed produced a completely new type of Apple, the


Bramley. How rare is it for someone to plant a seed and get a new


variety? Very rare because this has risen by apple varieties crossing


each other and producing a unique embryo which then goes on to grow


into the tree. If you want to grow another Bramley tree, the apple's


genetics mean you can't just plant a seed, you have to propagate it from


a cutting. Sir John Starkey owns the largest Bramley Orchard in


Nottinghamshire and is going to show me how it's done. Let's make this


into a Bramley apple tree. I'm intrigued. You can make it three out


of it. In order to grow, the cutting has to be inserted into the trunk of


another variety, a crab apple. Sir John cuts into the grapple trunk and


implants the Bramley stem which will grow into a Bramley tree as we know


them. So our tree is bottom half crab top half Bramley. But there is


one more job I have to do. And that is, I need to christen it The One


Show tree. But propagating over generations has led to small genetic


variations which affect the taste. The only way to grow an original


Bramley is to take a cutting from that one special tree but that


original tree is in trouble. It is dying from an incurable honey fungus


disease. To save the unique Bramley apple taste, the professor has


turned to cloning. How do you clone the tree? We take that into a


suitable medium. That a gel? Yes. After 15 years of extensive


research, the professor developed a special propagation gel which allows


a small cuttings from the original tree to grow their own routes. This


tree is, from the bottom of its routes to the tips of its leaves,


100% pure bred Bramley and genetically identical to the


original tree. Why can't we just use the trees that have been propagated


before? They have been grafting for the last 200 years and slowly but


surely, there have been subtle genetic changes so what you want to


do is to, as it were, turn the clock back so you go back to the original,


unblemished largely by any such genetic changes. So this clone we


have here is the closest genetic twin to the original Bramley apple


tree we saw earlier? Yes, very much so. With the help of cloning


technology, the Bramley's future is safe and as chefs can relax, knowing


we will have the sweet taste Bramley apples for the for years to come.


Wright, gentlemen, the most important question today, cream or


custard? Both. Both, please. Just eating the apple pie as well,


Jack has polished is off already. Interestingly, no custard or cream


on either. No. You said it is like putting ketchup on pizza? It should


be a crime. We don't have much time but quickly, out of interest, Mark,


you are renowned for being so realistic as far as your acting is


concerned and we were talking a bit about learning lines and what have


you earlier but from your perspective, do you learn the lines


over and over and then go in with a fixed idea of your performance or do


you learn them just before you do it and go from there? How does it work


for you? I don't know, it depends. The task is really forgetting the


lines because who knows what they are going to say next? If you learn


them, you have to learn them in a very flexible way because I have to


convince you it has never been written down, like now, I'm just


making it up on the spot! As you go along. So you always have the


feeling inside that you are reacting? I learn more what I need


to do, now I need not to get up and walk out of here! And I'm really


enjoying it... LAUGHTER Well, we've done everything we can!


Are they really laughing? There we are. But thank you. Fascinating, you


know where you're going, and you'll get there however. Exactly.


London turned rainbow-coloured this weekend for the annual Gay Pride


parade, one of many events held across the country to celebrate


And this year's more significant than most.


It's actually 50 years since homosexuality was partially


And DJ Nick Grimshaw's using his mixing skills to chart how


This is a story about two people. Ordinary people, going about their


lives. Waiting for something to begin. You wait. You'll meet someone


who will have your head spinning. And then one day, it did. Eyes met.


Hands met. A moment of hesitation. Of uncertainty. Don't you ever worry


that we might be doing something wrong? No. And then, they saw each


other as they truly worth first time. -- were for the first time.


But not everyone understood. What was that? Or approved. Of falling in


love that wake of being of that persuasion, of playing for the wrong


team. This is the way I want to be. Are you trying to tell me that you


and Colin are... On the sexual is? Didn't you know? I certainly didn't,


I thought you were just friends. But there were others who did


understand, who spoke up. Now listen, you may be a puff butties


out so you are going to leave him alone, understand? Back about show


me in the Bible anywhere where Jesus Christ refused to sanctify love.


Remember, you have to fight for what you want. Sometimes it was hard.


I hate the way you make me feel! And sometimes, it felt like the most


natural thing in the world. You've given me the strength and the


courage to stop hiding. That will do to be going on with. But in the end,


Love always wins. Because this is a story about two people, ordinary


people in love. Keep an eye out for the BBC's


"Gay Britannia Season" Thanks to our guests


Sir Mark Rylance and Jack Lowden. Dunkirk is in cinemas


from the 21st July. On Friday, we're going to be joined


by Owen Wilson talking about the new Cars movie so if you have some small


in your house is a massive fan and has all of the merchandise, we want


to know. E-mail at the usual address.


Tomorrow me and Al are off to Perranporth on the glorious Cornish


And Martin Clunes and The Kooks will be stopping by for a pasty.


Matt Baker and Angela Scanlon are joined by the stars of Christopher Nolan's epic new thriller Dunkirk, Sir Mark Rylance and Jack Lowden.