12/04/2017 The One Show

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APPLAUSE Hello. Welcome to The One Show.

Thank you to Texas. A brand new single on the way from Sharleen and

the band later. Very much looking forward to that. You can say what

you want but you can not deny this isn't a monster of an obstacle

course. Ready? Let's do this! We will stop there for now. We will

save the best for later. Pleads do. It's the Biggest inflatable obstacle

course in the whole of Europe. Is that right? We will be putting it to

good use during the show. Done well. We are also joined by a galaxy of

guests who have travelled far and wide to be with us tonight. Shall we

find out who they are. Between them Olympic gold medallist Helen Glover

and Steve Backshall. Tonight they're on dry land to tell us about their

epic plans for the weekend. Oh my word. It's huge. Is it that close?

Always good to see you mate. As for our other guests, one has travelled

thousands of miles for a special Easter pilgrimage. Yes, the other

has journeyed billions of light years through time and through

space, it's the Doctor's brand new companion, Pearl Mackie and Fern

Britton! APPLAUSE

Well, Pearl, we will start, you have only just finished filming Doctor

Who on Friday. Yeah, just wrapped on Friday, kind of mad. You can't give

anything away. No spoilers. Can you give us the last face you pulled in

the last scene that you filmed? Can I remember that? Yeah, it was

something along these lines. Oh! That wasn't necessarily the last

scene of the episode, though. Last scene you filmed. OK, have you got a

sense already of the enormity of what you are part of now? Yeah, kind

of. It's gradually hitting me, you know, sort of things will happen and

I will get to come on The One Show and that's pretty mad. Yeah, so that

kind of thing is very, very surreal. You know, fans and all of that kind

of stuff. Already. Yeah, I think it will sort of only multiply after

Saturday. Brace yourself. Fern, is this a bad time to say what you put

into Room 101? Yeah, no, I don't want anyone to take this personally.

I did put in Doctor Who because... Shall we look at you doing it.

Sorry! I don't understand any of it. Any of it! Doctor Who I think is the

most dreary thing on... Yeah, you can't unsee that now. Then

you and Peter Capaldi and Matt Lucas turned up and suddenly I am really

fired up about it. I am not a science fiction fan and Doctor Who

has been going almost as long as I have. It hasn't ever captured me.

Don't hold it against me. We have an exclusive clip later. That will

capture you. It will. I am on it now. You will be telling us about

your new body art, as well. I might. So much to get through in this hour.

Let's get cracking. Ahead of the Government releasing a new air

quality plan in 12 days' time, the focus has been on reducing the

pollution risk from older diesel cars. Proposals have included

everything from toxic taxes to scrappage schemes. However, some

campaigners in -- in port towns say the problem

isn't just on the road. Here's Lucy. That's the equivalent to around 400

lorries parked with their engines running.

So it's no surprise to hear last year Southampton breached

international clean air standards. It's the 9th most polluted city in

the UK and although that's not all down to shipping, local residents

have formed a campaign group calling for something to be done. On our

window sills we get dust and soot. Nobody has the right to pollute my

air and my children's air for the sake of their profits. But could

this be the solution? Southampton is planning on becoming the first UK

port to install onshore electricity for moored ships. Alistair is the

port director. My background is in the aviation industry and with an

aircraft when you come to a stop you plug in power and turn the engines

off. In you are in a yath the same thing happens. With a larger ship it

doesn't happen. Sounds simple. In practice, install ago power supply

would be a huge project. How much would it cost? That's the million

dollar question. But it's multiply million pounds. So, is it worth it?

Nobody has done the actual science to establish how dirty the air here

in Southampton is, how much the pollution is attributable to ships

and what difference an electricity supply would make. That's where

Southampton University comes in. They've begun a survey of air

pollution levels in the city headed by Dr Matt Locksham. We are going to

take readings of dust samples to understand how the make-up of air

pollution changes day-to-day depending on how many ships there

are moving in the docks, what the road traffic activity is and what

the weather's like, as well. Matt's results won't be known for two

years. So we have asked a doctor from Queen Mary University in London

to conduct a simple air quality test of our own in the terminal next to

where ships dock. Over two days we will monitor levels when there is

and isn't a ship in dock. This measures how much black carbon is in

the air around you. Let's set it up. We will put this tube outside. The

Monday store will give us a reading every 60 seconds. Hopefully we will

see a difference between ships coming in and out of dock. The

results of that experiment to come. Meanwhile, in response to concerns

about diesel ships, some new cruise liners are running on alternative

fuels. Just arrived in port is what is claimed to be one of the world's

greenest liners. First of many in the carnival fleet to run in port on

low emission liquid natural gas. The chairman is David Dingle. Other

cruise lines are ordering ships with a cleaner fuel that's been used

traditionally. What do you make of the proposal to have onshore

electric? It's a good proposal. But it's all very well to produce plug

in electricity in the ports, but how was that electricity produced in the

first place? Was it its origin any greener than the way in which we

produce electricity within our ships when they're tied up alongside?

Back to the results of our test. Although this is just a snapshot and

not a thorough scientific study, the impact of a ship coming into port on

air quality is clear to see. First up, the reading when there is

no ship. You can see it's pretty much a flat line. The levels were

low from what we managed to capture. And what about when there is a

cruise liner docked? You can see that the readings are generally a

little higher. There is also a spike here which could be because of a

passing ship. This reading essentially puts the port on a par

with an average street in London, one of our most polluted cities.

That's why for Alistair onshore electricity is a solution worth

pursuing. I think in 50 years' time it probably won't be needed. We want

to explore to see whether there is an option to do something in the

sper rim which will help to support a reduction in emissions locally. We

will keep an eye on that issue. The Government report is due on 24th

April. Pearl, as Doctor Who's new companion, what does the Tardis run,

petrol, diesel? It's space engine oil. No congestion charges. Great.

No pollution either. Let's have a look at you in character. Here is a

lovely photograph of you. Tell us about Bill. Bill's great.

She's really, she's very real. She's like, kind of like, you know, if you

or I sort of stumbled down the road and discovered a Tardis and a crazy

man inside it who was offering to show you all of space and time, you

know. Wide-eyed. Completely. With that she brings a kind of fresh look

at the Doctor and the universe he presents. She's very inquisitive, as

well, which is something that I like about her. Is that what the creators

wanted or did you have input into her style or anything like that? A

little bit of input into her style. The costume designer and I went

shopping together and actually kind of had both had a similar idea about

what we wanted for her. That was cool. Yeah, we put her together,

together. Shall we look at an exclusive clip from this Saturday's

episode. People are going to be very excited!

Can you do that? Can I say no? Yes, then. But no really. Where are we?

Basically in the middle of a war. It's a war zone. This is just your

basic skirmish. It's not as bad as it sounds, I promise you. Come on, I

have friends here. Old friends. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

Pearl, you are in the thick of it there. Yeah. With Doctor Who,

obviously with his travelling he comes with a lot of baggage. How

much of all of that were you aware of before you started with this,

were you a lifelong fan? It wasn't on when I was a kid. I was part of

the sort of years, I didn't, it came back when I was 16 and sort of hang

out in parks and probably doing silly things. But, yeah... That lack

of knowledge was it a good thing? I think so. I mean, I said to Stephen

and Brian when I got the job, look, give me the back catalogue, I would

love to watch it all, I would be excited. They were like, independent

don't know whatever you are doing is working well and it's nice if you

are experience things as Bill experiences them, as well. Yeah, I

thought it was a good way to sort of go. Maybe opens it up to people who

may not be science fiction nuts like our friend Fern here. We might be

able to persuade her yet: It's a good way to first watch, even with

no prior knowledge. I am in there. 7. 20pm, BBC One, Saturday night. I

am there. You are about to be thrust into this kind of, I would imagine,

slightly overwhelming limelight, very exciting. But for people who

are being introduced to you via Doctor Who, where did you come from,

what was your last - your background? I grew up in Brixton, I

am a London girl. I went to Bristol Vic Theatre School, graduated about

seven years ago, lots of theatre before that. Recently did The

Curious Incident of The Dog. Finished that and had a day to move

to Cardiff and start Doctor Who. Didn't Peter Capaldi see you? He

did, after I had been cast. The last time we had seen each other was in

this very intense recall in this hotel and then he came to see

Curious Incident, I heard I got the job, celebrated and not told anyone

because it's a secret. I heard that he was in the audience. And I was

like... What do I do? It's terrifying, is he going to tell

everyone, is he not going to say anything? Both of us were sort of

like... He was like, congratulations. I was like, thank

you. Ran away afterwards! It was so intense. The most intense sort of

five minutes of my life. What was first day on set like for you? It

was mad. Yeah, the sort of one kind of most overwhelming thing was the

amount of crew. We rehearsed, we filmed the first scene of the first

episode on the first day so rehearsed that and it's a chunky

scene, we had a long time of Peter and I and the director. Then we did

a thing called a crew show, all the crew come in and you show them and

they know where to set booms and everything like that. They just kept

coming. And I was sitting there, yeah, seriously! It was like, there

was so many of them. I remember thinking how am I going to remember

all these people's names? Did you? Yes, I do. I know all their names.

Tell me about the Daleks, have they got a big ego now, they've been

around a long time? Are they a bit precious to work with? They're gold

these days, as well. So yeah, they're a bit flash. You can see

Pearl in Doctor Who this Saturday night at 7. 20 on BBC One and Fern

will be watching. LAUGHTER

The world of football is littered with stories of those whose careers

hit the buffers after injury. In Lee Hendry's case his fall from grace

nearly cost him his life. Here, he and his wife look back at events and

how they got through it. The moment of you walking out that

tunnel, the roar of the crowd and people jumping out of their seats is

probably the best feeling you can ever imagine. All the fans loved him

because he gave 100%. He was fun, outgoing, everyone knew him. I was

earning ?35,000 a week. We had nice cars, a nice house, everything we

could ever imagine. At times, you thought he was untouchable. I got a

few injuries that put stumbling blocks on the playing, and people

started to forget who I was. What can you do with someone who is at

the top of the game, earning thousands, and it is all coming down

on top of an? He is the type who will just brush everything under the

carpet, so when I started opening the post and realising these were

red letters, things we hadn't pay, I felt physically sick. -- things we

hadn't paid. Lee hit the pressure on pretty much when his mum's pals got

taken off her. It wasn't just affecting him and me now, but

everyone around us. Things were going and we couldn't do anything

about it. It is difficult when you are booking after the kids and URL

most having to look after your husband as well. It shouldn't be

like that. -- you are almost having to look after your husband as well.

I thought, you know what, this is where it ends. I didn't want to be

here. That was me done, that was Lee Hendrie, you know, his life is

finished. And it makes me well up a bit, to be fair. The darkest,

darkest time of my life, ever, ... I think it was more... What I tell the

children, that was my main worry at the time. My stepdaughter 's and my

to make boys, even though they weren't old enough... Sorry. -- my

two boys. It was having the family all-rounder bed and thinking, it

didn't work, it didn't happen. -- all round the bed. It sounds

selfish, but I knew deep down that it was going to happen again. It was

the waking up. I can't remember anyone being there. It's care me, it

did. Probably the best thing to do was to wake up with no one around

him, because that made him realise we can't sit and watch him just

destroy himself. I had lost everything that I had financially. I

was going to end up being a sad, lonely old man, or I was going to go

somewhere. I couldn't do it, couldn't do it to my family.

Dutch, touch, keep him in. It has really given me a feel for being

back in the game, passing on my knowledge, and I can offer that to a

lot of youngsters. To be rock bottom and to really build it back up

again, I burst with pride is just to say how far Lee has come. What makes

me happy is seeing the kids playing outside with their dad. Now that I

have got that back, it is a breath of fresh air. I love him to bits.

That definitely won't change. Thank you to Lee and Emma were speaking so

candidly to us. What might we are being joined by an old friend of the

one show, Jonny. You made a film for us will stop you were about to take

your own life and a stranger came up and talked around, and now you spend

your time doing your best to help people in a similar situation to

yourself. The situation we have from Lee there, it's not unique, is it?

The majority of people who try to take their own lives are men. Lee is

so brave, and his wife is so brave. It's true. 75% of all suicides are

men. It is the biggest killer of men under 45. By having -- we have a

match our culture. We say, man up. Boys get that message. And they

think it is not OK to show emotion and be vulnerable. I believe it is

big cars -- not because you want to die. You want every thing to stop

for a minute. It annoys me when people say selfish. And it is often

the only option that people can see. The only way out. But it is

literally just wanting to stop a minute, not to die. Wanting the

painter M. We see Emma in that video, so confused and helpless. Are

there things that family members experiencing loved ones going

through this pain, things that they can say or do, or that they should

not say or do? The most important thing is to be empathetic,

supporter, and not give up on the person. Keep reminding them of

recovery. We don't hear that message enough when people are struggling

with mental health issues. You can get better. There are so many people

out there functioning with it. People need reminding. Don't say,

pull yourself together, or I've been through it as well. You wouldn't say

that to someone with something like cancer. You would be so much more

supportive if it was a physical issue, but this is no different to

any other part of the body. Jonny, do you still have dark times? What

helps you get through that? I still do. I had a relapse two months ago

and ended up back in hospital. Now, I try to think of it like my good

friend who has diabetes. She has bad periods, but then she goes to

hospital. She doesn't beat herself up, so why try not to, try to ask

for help and not be ashamed or embarrassed. I hate it when people

say it is a stigma. No, it's not. Hello. I'm not feeling very well,

and it's not just a couple of weeks. The message needs to change. It is

getting there. We have a long way to go. Rob me, things like therapy have

helped massively. For me, I take medicine. It has been a massive help

for me. You need a break from it sometimes, a bit of peace of mind.

And you can do it. Proud of you. And for those people who maybe don't

have a strong family around them and feel a bit alone watching this, what

is the best advice you can get? There is so much support out there.

If you don't want to go to your GP, there are so many amazing charities.

Mind, Calm, the Samaritans. It is 24 hours a day. There is so much

support, and you will be heard. And educate Duchess of Cornwall, Heads

Together. Which Is Amazing. Absolutely. We have put some links

on our website. Jonny, thanks for joining us. To refit. This Friday,

you can see Fern travelling through the Holy Land on a special

pilgrimage to places that feature in the Easter story. This is the

judgment gate. Beaten almost senseless. He had lost a lot of

blood, standing here. My goodness, wow! Obviously, as a Christian, I

have a belief, and also I understand people who say to me, totally

irrational nonsense, none of it happen. And yet, sitting here, and

it may be my brain playing a trick, but in me, I can feel something. I'm

not given to tears. This is a meaningful moment.

Where was that? On the outside of the walls of Jerusalem. The old city

is about a square kilometre and there are four square walls around

it. It is one of the outside walls, you will see those steps, and

everyone is walking past because they are not a religious shrine or

something that has been sanctioned. The archaeologist there, he is not

certain either, but it makes a kind of sense to him scientifically and

archaeologically that these were the steps into the Pontius Pilate's

Palace. And there would have been an archway but it has been bricked up

now. But through those steps, Jesus would have walked, and having had

his trial, he would have come out and stood on the steps, and the

crowd are all around asking to kill him. He had already been flayed with

whips, wearing his crown of thorns, he was exhausted, bleeding heavily.

And you've got this feeling... I am starting to feel it now, but I was

thinking, this could be where he stood, where he had the last view of

freedom. The scenery, the landscape, has barely changed. It was

incredible. What was the purpose, then, the whole journey, the

pilgrimage? The purpose of the trip, to me, Jesus the man, who existed,

is very interesting as a human being if you take out all that he was the

son of God. He was a human being living a very human life with his

family. And then everything became complicated for him. We don't know

what happened when he started preaching. And he wasn't very

well-known in Galilee, perhaps, and he arrived in Jerusalem and not many

people knew that he was coming, and I thought, as a person, how does

that journey feel? So we followed in his footsteps, and it got very...

You got the feeling of his sense of destiny that this was going to

happen, he was going to put himself through it. So, where else did it

take you? All through the city of Jerusalem. The nicest place was the

Garden of gas enemy, where he went after the Last Supper.

-- is the garden of Gethsemane. He was praying, saying, take this awful

burden away from me. And his friends all fell asleep. It was a human

situation. Whether things about the Easter story that you thought you

knew already that surprise you? -- were there things about the Easter

story... It would have been things about the traditional monks

clothing, like we would imagine, dark brown robes. Flip-flop sandals.

And in the winter, he would wear socks that had the whole divided so

that you could put your flip-flops on between your toes. It is that

kind of stuff. I am not a theologian and I am not the Archbishop of

Canterbury, clearly, but I find that whole... It is the small things

about religion that boost my faith, and I don't pretend to know

everything about everything. You mark your journey in quite an

unusual way. Or maybe not so unusual, because you already have

had tattoos in the past. I do. I think we have some footage of you

going through this. Did you have this in mind when you turned up?

Yeah, I knew that there was this family there who have been doing

tattoos for Knights Templars and people doing pilgrimages. 600 years

ago, and direct descendants are there doing it. Somebody said to me

the other day, is it your carpal tunnel? No, it's a little cross

which you have two show that you've done your pilgrimage. And the

important thing is, when you shake hands, they can see you've done your

pilgrimage, but also that you come in peace. Isn't that nice? A nice

note to finish on. Fern's Holy Land Journey is on this Friday morning at

9am. From any of us, the Easter weekend is a chance to catch up with

family, friends and enjoy a bit of relaxation, and maybe some

chocolate. Not so far Helen Glover and her husband, wildlife presenter

Steve Backshall. Their weekend will be anything but relaxing. Have a

look at this. Rio De seven months ago, in Rio, I

defended the Olympic title that I won in 2012. I was cheered on by

fiance, Steve Backshall. It was all about coming here in defending the

title. They have just been unbelievable. And now, I am about to

do all that winter training again, but this time with my husband,

Steve. We are taking on something that will test me and maybe our

relationship to the limit. I was twiddling my thumbs a bit after

Riou, and I wanted a challenge, so I wrote Steve into doing the devises

the West kayak race. He had done it before and I always wanted to do

something really different. The race travels 125 miles.

Non-stop. So the training is intense. We have only decided to do

this six weeks before the race. The other two times I have done it I

have had a year of training. So, six weeks isn't enough. We are now in

full-time training to get our bodies and minds ready.

As well as covering the miles in the kayak we are hitting the gym to

build the upper body and core strength we will need.

That's nice. Go on, just one more. Go on! For me, I will be learning an

entirely new discipline. Kayaking is totally new to me and lots of people

watch it and think it's very similar to rowing. In terms of the muscle

groups and the energy systems and the way you train it's actually

entirely different. But I am out of my comfort zone at the moment in a

kayak. I have never been in a kayak like this before. I need to get used

to it. There you go. During the race, I

will be steering and setting the pace. But at the moment just keeping

it stable is a problem. That was a disaster. I am not

feeling very confident right now. How far did we go? About 50 metres.

Just as important as our training is our diet.

Over the next few weeks we will be eating plenty of slow release cash

high driets and a large amount of fruit and veg which is easier to get

down if it's blended. How does it taste? How it looks. Like sludge. Do

you want mine, as well? No! To help us stay afloat we have opted

for a more stable boat. But this will make the race harder as it is

slower and heavier. Along the way there are 77 locks

where we will need to get out and carry the boat, running with it on

our shoulders. After two weeks of river training we are now covering

distances of over 20 miles in each session.

And they're starting to take their toll. My back is starting to hurt.

My hands are sore. It will be worse in the morning. Your shoulders are

going to hurt so bad in the morning. So far we have done our training on

the River Thames but the first 52 miles of the race are on the canal.

So we head to Newbury to start a session from there. This is what the

majority of the race is all about. It's very, very different from the

river, because there is no flow, it's flat water. Paddling on a canal

is much more difficult and after three-and-a-half hours with no

assistance from the flow I realise just how tough this challenge is

going to be. It's a wake-up call, isn't it? I found that quite hard. I

am really tired. The speed we were going today is the speed that we

need to do for 125 miles. I think if someone told me now to go on for

another half hour I would have got out of the boat. That was me done

today. But with the race getting ever closer we need to step up a

gear, which includes training at night. During the event this is when

a lot of people give up. I feel like I have started from scratch, just

being in the dark. It's a whole new ball game, it's disorientating. Half

the race is at night. Ten hours of paddling like this. We have a lot of

work to do, to be honest. We will be all right. What could possibly go

wrong! And Helen and Steve are here now.

Let's give them a big round of applause!

APPLAUSE Are you ready? No! Come on. As we

will ever be, we feel. What's the plan between now and the start of

the race? Eat lots. Eat lots of pasties and pie. It's going to be

great. The thing is it's 125 miles. You are going to try to do this in

24 hours. You don't really get a sense there, but it is a race, you

are racing against other competitors. How does that work?

Well, you can actually start when you want to. You can start on that

Saturday, people will be starting within a few hours of each other. So

we might spend a lot of the race on our own but might be around other

boats and in terms of being competitive, we are planning on just

finishing. Finishing will be a massive achievement. However, my

competitive instinct tends to kick in whenever there is another crew

around. I am going to have to try to rerein myself in. Have you got the

hang of it, being an Olympic champion you would think you would

be very good in a boat like that. And she is. After two weeks of

training she was where I would expect someone to be after a year or

even more of training. Now she's at a remarkable level. But our longest

training session has been five-and-a-half hours. That's such a

tiny percentage of the race. We don't know what's going to happen at

3am when we are cold and hungry and tired. I think she's going to be

amazing but you never know. What is it like to be doing this as a

couple? We saw you there in the gym. Brilliant training partners, the

pair of you, really fit. You must have a great time. It's good fun.

But I think that we are probably going to see a true side of each

other in the middle of the night when you have been paddling, you are

absolutely kind of on your last legs and still have hours to go. It will

be interesting. Come on, you are obsessed with each other, it's

lovely to see! It is lovely to see. There is a good

reason why you are doing this and it's not just about bringing the

pair of you together. Exactly. I have been working with a charity

called The World Land Trust, and we buy up vulnerable portions of forest

and protect them and what we are doing is, we are going to buy a

slice of a rainforest in Borneo and if we don't buy it, it will get cut

down for plantations, it's a vital patch of forest. The opportunity to

buy and protect this land is just enormous. So, that's a big part of

the reason we were going we need to do something massive to try and get

the attention and get the cash rolling in and it has been. I think

it's going to be a massive success. Obviously you need the money but

when do you hope to get your hands on it then, what's the plan? It

needs to be done before August. Really the main, the target of the

fundraising is now, it's because the place is such a fantastic wildlife

corridor. It's a perfect place for animals to disperse. By purchasing

this area of land and protecting it we are really saving it for all the

animals that live there. Well, before you go we are going to look

at that moment where you were in tears in Rio. Let's have a look at

it. To me this sums it all up. Obviously, trying to retain that

title. Helen means so much to everybody and family and that

sacrifice. I love the fact it was captured. Often you don't see that

finish line reaction from friends and family. Like you say, they see

you at your worst through the hard times and so, I love the fact... She

loves the fact it was captured because she is talking about it

endlessly! Aren't we all. Quickly before you go, Dave, are you there?

We have some night vision goggles. Here you are. Thank you! I am sure

there will be tears of joy in your eyes again, Steve. Bring it on. We

wish you all the very best. We will keep everyone up to date with you

how you get on. OK. From their challenge to a challenge that we

have going on here outside. Feast your eyes on this. This is Europe's

biggest inflatable obstacle course. It is indeed. This section is the

danger zone, it has slides, a wall and hanging things. It's one section

of the course that it ten pieces in total. When fully assembled it

measures a whopping five kilometres from start to finish. We did ask

Fern and Pearl and Sharleen to take part in this but they all said we

have somebody better that can do it for us. We all know some talented

people. Fern, let's start with you at the end. Who have you asked? This

is Joel, he has better hair than anybody, better muscles and on

Easter Monday he is doing the world coal carrying championships. He is

carrying 250 kilo sacks of coal which is heavier than he is. I am

thinking he is a strong contender. Pearl, who have you asked? I have

Petrica Catalina taking part in the Hedley Barrel Race on Monday. I am

going to be there on Monday doing the barrel race. We have agility on

our side. We have speed. I think we are going to do this. Definitely

will do. Sharleen, we can see. We are a team. We are actually a team.

That's why we - we talked tactics. I did the obstacle course. I fell off

and hurt my ankle! Did you get a chocolate egg, because that's the

whole idea? I didn't. If I could ask the team captains to step to the

side and at the end of the course there is a chocolate egg. It's the

first one to pick up the chocolate egg who will receive this

wonderful... Come on! There you are, are you ready? OK. In three, two,

one, go for it! Angela's taken a stormer. Joel's

gone for it. I can't keep up. Joel's through, he is up the ladder! That's

how you win an Easter egg hunt. All the way down. He looks behind him,

where is everyone else? Hang on a minute! Unbelievable! We were going

to ask to you get the egg of your t-shirt. The thing is Joel's colour

blind. Joel takes it. There you are. Joel and Fern, huge congratulations.

I didn't hear that! I have the golden egg. Are you all right,

Angela? It was a good race. If you fancy having a go at this giant

obstacle course you can, it's on tour all around the UK. You can also

sign up to do it for Children in Need which is always a great cause,

by going to bbc.co.uk/Pudsey. And then there was calm. I will do this

while Angela gets her breath back. Kate McIntyre has gone

window-shopping, not to look at clothes, just the dummies wearing

them. Mannequins, for some they're the

stuff of nightmares. Think of them in Doctor Who and it's not hard to

see why. But back in the real world they've been stirring things up too.

The average UK dress size is a 16. But last week this line-up of

superskinny mannequins opened up the debate about body image again. Roz

runs a supply business and has an extensive collection from over the

years. The first mannequins were people themselves. They would stand

in for dress-making and then it worked on that people would make

them out of papier mache and wax. When did we first see them on high

streets? Around about 1920s. They came in when clothes started to be

more mass produced. When did the shape of female mannequins change?

They've always had different shapes to them if they're catering for a

younger market, they're going to be a different shape. For ladies

considered plus-size, bigger sizes, they don't really have faces any

more. They've become more of a clothes horse, rather than a

representation of an actual person. Why do we only see skinny

mannequins? Because they're a size that is easy for samples to be made.

Every now and then you do get a very, very skinny mannequin that is

the proportions which are not even artistic. That's because they're

cheap mannequins, they've not been made by an established manufacturer

and there are copies of a copy of a copy. Most female mannequins we see

in shops today are typically a size 8-10. So what will shoppers in

Nottingham make of these body shapes? Not very realistic and not a

good image. I have a three-year-old girl at home and I am trying to

teach her to have a positive body image. I feel if they had bigger

mannequins, maybe bigger people would have an idea of what the

clothes would look like on them. We are all used to seeing the slim

mannequins. That one seems unusual. You don't usually see a rounder

figure. Unusual because it's closer to the average woman? Yeah. You

never see a short person mannequins. What effect do you think the super

skinny mannequin will have on young shoppers looking for clothes? Not

great obviously, because this is the shape you should be to wear our

clothes, they might feel they can't wear something that they feel good

in. So, if some customers are getting

offended it sounds as though the shops must be doing something wrong.

Yeah, definitely. They're not being styled properly. The correct

mannequin is not being used. It's all about displaying the clothes in

the best way, showing off those sample sizes and showing people how

to style clothes who really don't have an idea of how to style clothes

themselves. I look at the clothes. I would buy a mannequin if I could.

I have never been a big fan of mannequins. Have you? I like them.

LAUGHTER . I wish I was one right there. I am

still out of breath. I need to go to the gym more! Shoving, is it right

that your mum was a window dresser? She was. Did you have dummies in

your house? We had a few dummies are now has! We used to come in from

school and my mum would be like, we are making flowers, paper flowers or

pom-poms or whatever. When it comes to Christmas decorating, I am a dab

hand. Nicer grow up with that creativity. It is good. My sister

and I used to get dragged in. My mum still teaches us and the grandkids.

My mum taught me how to crochet about a month ago. Fern, you have

two young daughters, grace and Winnie - do you find that body image

is an issue you have to talk about? They are very well aware of it all.

They are very good. Although the weekly ladies magazines are full of

that nonsense, they read them but knowing it is nonsense. And of

course, they love doing all that shopping and looking at things. One

is nearly 16 and one is 19, nearly 20, so they are getting on now. But

they have got brains and they understand, but that doesn't mean to

say... There are moments when they go, IAA lug really terrible and I am

having a bad day and none of my clothes Fitbit. That awful female

thing. -- none of my clothes fit me. It is about keeping it real. It is a

mannequin. Some of them are six feet tall. You're looking at them, and I

don't know that many people who at that height. And I think that as

parents, we need to impress on them that they are gorgeous. They can do

anything they want and they are gorgeous. Your daughter, does she

enjoy your music? You've got this new album coming out. I think she's

very proud. She came along and saw as showcase that we did last week.

She was smiling. I think she likes the guest list places that I can get

her, if I'm really honest! I think she's more into that. She is into

Kei pop. I am a bit confused by what she says to me sometimes. That is

happening just now. Jump On Board - 30 years you have been writing, so

is it hard to come up with fresh themes? You know what, you meet so

many interesting people, and I enjoy life. Fern has known me for a

million years. Bee did you say I have been around for 1 million

years? And me! -- did you say I have been around for 1 million years?

People and stories, it keeps filling you. Do you keep stories on the back

burner for the time when you are making an album? You never know when

you will access it. Sometimes stories come to light and you are

like, I forgot about that, and it comes out in a song. Sometimes, when

a song comes out, one of your mates will be like, is that about me? And

I am like, here we go. You wish it was about you! So you will be

touring the album and you will be on stage for a very significant

birthday. I am. We play Paris on my 50th. I am 50 this year. That's

great. Do you think that is good planning? Yes! It would be, but we

are doing three nights in Paris, and I am on the first night, which I

thought was really bad planning. Maybe I could do three parties. Just

keep it going. Will the tour be a family affair? Bryn Williams,

recently engaged, what have you... Look at me, I will start blushing in

a minute! At my age! I got engaged recently. Yeah, first time I have

been engaged in first time I will be married. And he is a share. Years

indeed. When we go on tour, if there are any breaks, I am sure all of our

friends and family will come out for the big old birthday. Fern, you are

also married to a chef, do you have any advice? They are temperamental

creatures, aren't they? I think it's just... Always like what they have

cooked for you, whether you like it or not. If he says, do you like it,

do you like it? I do most of the cooking. It is a family thing. Foot

is important in the house, so you cook together and eat together. It

is a nice thing to do. What about me?

I don't think you would be short of offers! So you will be on tour...

We're right on the road. We are playing the Albert Hall. We're doing

some festivals. I want to say the 17th of September for the Albert

Hall, and we have three nights in Glasgow, playing at Kelvingrove

Park. Doing the Isle of Wight Festival, we're doing Chris's cart

biased -- car Fest. The album is out on the 21st of April. Before Texas

perform for us, we will do some gardening. Why not? We have done

everything else tonight. The speaker in the House of Commons Betty

Boothroyd brought order to Parliament until she left for

pastures new. Christine has been to see the garden she has no intention

of bringing to order. This is an informal garden, and one

that is slightly disjointed, and bearing in mind who the owner is, I

am slightly surprised. Order! Betty Boothroyd certainly did not like

this order in the Commons. It is 25 years since she became the first and

only female speaker, a post she held for eight years. We're in the middle

of Cambridgeshire, in a beautiful wild garden, but it is wild, and

that surprises me. Are you a keen gardener? You have the right word

when you say while. I'm a wild garden, lovely. I have a point of

order... I really should address you as Lady Boothroyd, but I have got a

cheeky question. May I call you Betty? Of course, most people do. I

find it very odd to be called baroness. Lady is a bit much too.

When I first came here about 30 years ago, I thought, what will I do

with this area? I had a few beds around the house, but all of this

was just grass and fields, so I thought, let's add daffodils. I

really feel that there are a lot of clubs are around -- clumps around

that have been here a long time. I am very good at delegating

responsibility. Are you aware, there are over 85 different species? And

over 29,000 different varieties? I thought you meant in my garden here.

You have a lot, but not quite that many! There is one special one,

isn't there are? There is, actually. It is a Madam Speaker daffodil.

There you are, named after you. It is described as robust, standing up

to the elements, admired by most people. If you are going to ask me

where it is, your eyes are better than mine. It might have been and

gone. I think it has. With or without daffodils, I doubt this

rambling landscape has changed in hundreds of years, longer I suspect

then the 13th century house. Betty has barbed wire right across the

garden. Trespassers must be a problem. What is this about?

Rabbits, deer, which will eat anything, and moles. Do you have

much experience of gardening? Is not at all, because I was born in a poor

family. I went and picked dandelions, put them in a vase. And

my mother said, what is that? She was not chuffed at all. I have

always liked flowers, always been interested in gardening but I was

never brought up with it. Betty was an only child, and the family lived

in a back-to-back in a Yorkshire mill town. Her parents were textile

workers, but her father was unemployed for years. Yellow might I

thought, there's something better than this in life. We have to make

changes. -- I thought, there's something better than this in life.

It was a long one, actually. The name of the candidate elected is

Betty Boothroyd. It took me 13, 15 years, because I fought four

elections before being selected for West Bromwich in 1973. I just felt,

well, this is really something, this is my destiny, what I want to do.

You have the reputation of being a bit of a bossy boots - was that

there? I don't think so. I think I'm a softy! Order! The honourable

gentleman will resume his seat immediately. Immediately! It do you

think you had more control in the Commons than you do over your

garden? That's for sure. I can control human beings but not

wildlife. Some people don't like the rambling nature of a woodland

garden. As Betty would say, in this world, the eyes have it.

Thank you to all of our guests this evening. You can see Fern's journey

on Friday morning, and Doctor Who starts on Saturday night, both on

BBC One. Tomorrow, we will be joined by the stars of the new film, The

Hatton Garden Job, Larry Lamb and Phil Daniels. Now from their new

album, Jump On Board, this is Texas. # Try, try to figure out what it all

means # As the sun sets on your suburbia

and dream # If you loved her you'd hate her to

be so free # And you know she's going to the

city with the bright lights - maybe you'll make it all right or just

stay home and cry # Why don't you tell her, tell

Batgirl? # You said for ever, ever

Taking over # You can never know what's real

# You know she's going out tonight to this city with the bright lights

# Maybe you'll go down there and make it all right or just stay home

and cry # Why don't you tell her, tell how?

-- tell Batgirl # You said for ever, ever

#... Hello, I'm Sarah Campbell

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