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Hello and welcome to

the One Show with Matt Baker.

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And Alex Jones.

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And tonight we're joined

by two of the stars

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of the new Winston Churchill film,

Darkest Hour,

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which had its premiere last night.

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Two actors at the top of their game.

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And they'd need to be

to put up with this.

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You cannot reason with a tiger

when your head is in its mouth!

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Please welcome Dame Kristin

Scott Thomas and Lily James.

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APPLAUSE

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So, incredibly, that was Gary Oldman

as Churchill, the premiere was last

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night, darkest hour on the coldest

night!

You must have been absolutely

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freezing.

She was incredibly brave.

Or stupid!

For the dress, it was

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worded.

I did have a warm coat that

I threw one after the photos.

I

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can't understand it.

That coat was

lovely. The red carpet is not funny

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in this weather.

We had these hand

warmers like tea bags!

We were just

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discussing how you have had a break

from films, you have done lots of

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theatre, but this is only the second

film in quite a while.

Yes, last

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year, was it? I did The Party, which

I thought would be a good way to get

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back into making films, because it

was only 12 days, and then Joe

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Wright asked me to do this, and I

succumbed to his charm.

You have

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been asked to play the role a few

times, but we will get into that

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shortly.

Lots to talk about with our

guests, and we start with the second

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part of our investigation into food

waste in the Scottish salmon

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industry.

Last night, we heard that

a quarter of farmed salmon in

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Scotland die each year because of

disease or lies, and while it

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doesn't affect the quality of salmon

in our shops, Joe is looking at

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what, if anything, can be done to

fix it.

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Last night we followed the dead

salmon run.

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I can see some horrible fluid coming

out, it smells file. With millions

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of farmed salmon being wiped out,

mostly due to sea lice and disease.

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The scale of mortality in Scottish

salmon is huge.

Figures published by

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the Scottish Government show as many

as one in four farmed salmon are

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dying. Critics claim wild fish are

suffering too, from the unnaturally

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large numbers of sea lice in and

around some farms.

Once they get

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into the farms, they are a perfect

breeding reservoir for sea lice. Sea

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lice emanating from salmon farms are

killing wild fish.

Do they make it

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much worse?

They do, on the east

coaster and the north coast of

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Scotland, we have still got

reasonably healthy populations of

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wild salmon and sea trout. We

haven't got that in the West

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Highlands and Islands, where we have

got salmon farms.

I am keen to find

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out more about how the industry

operates, so to hear their side of

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the story, I have been invited to a

farm near Ullapool in the Scottish

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islands. Farm manager Roddy is

showing me how welfare standards are

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maintained here.

So this is what you do every week

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for the lice count?

We take five

fish, you can see they range in

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sizes, and you just... It is a

visual inspection, looking for any

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signs of lice at all. If it brushes

off, it is just dirt.

These two, no

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signs of lice, lovely colour.

We

will put them in this.

You don't

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like handling the fish, this is the

only time you do it?

Yes, because

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there is a danger you are wiping off

the mucus which helps protect them

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from lice and diseases, part of

their natural defence system.

How

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the control lice on this farm?

We

use natural cleaning fish, we put

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them in before we get a problem with

the lice, and they will go and pick

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them off.

Have you had any problems

since you started using the cleaner

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fish?

No. These two are OK.

This is

a small producer and as one of the

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lowest ratios of salmon deaths in

the UK, but why do mortality rates

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across the wider industry continue

to rise? You'll Ben Bradley is chair

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of the Scottish salmon producers

organisation. -- Gilpin Bradley. Why

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are so many salmon dying on farms?

In reality, the mortality rates are

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in line with averages over the last

few years.

They are the highest they

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have ever been, January to September

this year of the worst figures on

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record. Last year, 22,500 tonnes of

fish, hundreds of lorry loads of

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dead salmon going across Scotland.

We are acutely aware of how bad the

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situation is.

It is out of control.

It is certainly not out of control.

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You have to recognise the incredible

investment that is going into

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finding solutions.

As salmon farming

become too intensive in Scotland?

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The level of intensity for farmers

today is probably as low as it has

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ever been, but what do you do when

an unusual event happens? These

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challenges are largely caused by

changing environmental conditions,

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and in no way are they affecting the

delicious product we are producing.

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Do you accept that lice from farms

are killing wild fish?

That is

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pretty evocative language. Our

operational practices are all geared

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around minimising the impact that we

have, and that is why there is an

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enormous investment going into

finding better and better ways of

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dealing with sea lice.

Why doesn't

the industry produced figures on a

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farm by farm basis?

In future, we

will be doing that, and it is

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important. The farmers recognise it

is very important to be as

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transparent as possible, and if

there has been any losses or

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particular health issues, that will

be in the public domain.

Well, Joe

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is here now, as we were hearing,

things are being done, and we have

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also said that the Scottish salmon

in our shops is not affected, but

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what is the Government doing about

the fact that so many fish are not

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getting onto the shelves?

The

Government, the Scottish Government

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have just announced they will work

with the industry to come up with a

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framework to come up with new

measures to improve the welfare of

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farmed fish, but the big news that

people may not know is that next

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year there will be a Parliamentary

inquiry, and that has come at a very

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good time. There has been a lot of

pressure for it, but there are lots

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of environmental factors, water

seems to be getting warmer, there

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are disease outbreaks cropping up,

one has just happened off the coast

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of Skye that they have not seen

since the late 1990s. It seems a

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good time for the industry and

critics to come together. Salmon and

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trout conservationists have lobbied

for this inquiry, they would like to

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see statutory enforcement, statutory

protection for wild fish, or

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inspectors to be able to order a

cull and things get out of control.

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They would like to see the code of

conduct made compulsory.

On top of

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what the government doing, the farms

are trying to solve the problems

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themselves.

Yes, if we just take sea

lice, they have been a huge problem,

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and farms are constantly trying to

conquer this, but there are always

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limitations. You can feed the salmon

a treatment that goes in their food

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and includes a toxic chemical that

the sea lice do not like and it

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kills them off. It can be very

effective, but the toxic chemical

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can also affect the wildlife on the

sea bed, like crabs and lobsters,

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things like that. And the lice seem

to be getting more resistant, so

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that is not always the answer. You

have got things that are more

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mechanical, a machine that sucks up

the sea salmon, the lice do not like

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it, they will let go of the fish,

but it has been linked to quite high

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mortality events itself. We heard in

the film about cleaner fish, that is

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a great solution that seems to work

really well there, but it is not the

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complete answer. If the whole

industry did this, where do all the

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fish come from? You can only take so

many from the wild, they are trying

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to breed them, but they do not seem

to have the same taste for sea lice

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as the wild wrasse. So, ultimately,

campaigners would like to see closed

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containment, where salmon are farmed

in big tanks that flowed out at sea

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or on land, but there is a physical

barrier between the farmed fish and

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the wider environment, but that is a

long way off. Advice away from my

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greater re-routes. For large-scale

farming, that is complicated.

--

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away from my greater most people

don't have choice about where this

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is coming from.

If you want to buy

wild fish, we don't have a

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sustainable stock in the UK, you

will be buying frozen Alaskan fish.

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If you want fresh fish,

realistically, it is coming from

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farms. So this inquiry, to bring it

back to that, it is a good chance

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for consumers to get what they want,

for the industry and campaigners to

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come together and find a viable way

forward. There are big problems that

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we have seen but everyone is united

in wanting to make it better.

You

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will never take disease out of the

equation altogether. We are going to

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be talking to Kristin and Lily in a

moment, but first an epic tale of

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our own.

Yes, the story of the

greatest glasshouse in the world and

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the long journey to bring it back to

its best.

This is the largest

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Victorian greenhouse in the world.

Christine is getting the first view

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of the Azores of a five-year long

restoration of this stunning

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building. -- of the results. It was

needed to stop the structure from

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falling down and to make it more

efficient.

We have got a building

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management system now, all the

windows open automatically when the

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temperature gets too hot. We think

they had problems where it was too

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hot on the outside and cold in the

middle.

Christine has re-potted a

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few plans in time, but here the

staff have had to do 500, some of

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them very rare.

1300 cubic metres of

soil, the same base layer

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throughout, then we are adding

different top dresses.

Today she is

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on under as some of them moved back

in, to be joined by thousands more.

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Each continent is given its own

section.

The Southend has got

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Africa, in the centre block we have

got Australia, New Zealand, the

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Americas, as well as the island

flora. In the north end, we have got

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age, a round the world stripping

metres. -- Asia.

Some of the plans

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are so large that they need a

forklift.

A lot of digging, a lot of

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soil. Massive plant!

This tree

doesn't want to go where Scott wants

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it to.

Just the balance wasn't quite

right, always when you lift things,

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you have to lift it a few times.

You

are not quite sure where the weight

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is in the root ball. What is this?

It is from northern Australia. It is

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desperate to go in the ground, it

will be happier when it is down and

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can start to grow properly.

The work

here is almost on schedule, but

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there is just one tiny discovery

that has slowed things down.

While

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doing the restoration work, we have

discovered the original underfloor

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heating pipes.

What?!

Yes, they were

ripped out in the 1970s, but they

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must have left a small section,

archaeologists have done full

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surveys, they have been cataloguing

it.

Returning here will be the

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world's most important plant

collection, including specimens that

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are almost instinct.

This is from

New Zealand, and in the 1980s, the

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population of this plant was really

low.

Can I pinch it?! You are not

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allowed to, are you?! Christine is

giving it away!

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The restoration of this greenhouse

is vital for the world's flora. Here

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at Kew, they conserve plants that

are endangered and rare. Without

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research, we may not know that the

very molecules in this plans could

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cure some of the world's nastiest

illnesses.

Super work being done

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there, very much looking forward to

Christine meeting

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Now the Darkest Hour about

Churchill's first weeks in office.

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We touched on it, you have been

offered the role many times, but

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have turned it down. What was it

about this version that you enjoyed

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reading?

The thing about Clementine,

I thought who is the woman who is

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married to Churchill, I want to know

about her and what it is like to

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wake up next to this man who is

about to save the world and it bad

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tempered and gambles and it is very

funny and wicked and has a great

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sense of humour. I wanted that to

come across in the film and to see a

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sort of domestic side to their, to

this couple. Wives of important men

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are usually sort of shoved into the

back ground. In this case without

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Clemmie, I think we would have a

very different Winston Churchill.

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That is why I succumbed to this one.

Was it worth coming back after that

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long break?

Yes. Working with Gary,

I mean, it was so thrilling.

What is

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striking about it, it is a film

about war, but there is no war in

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it. It is all about the words and

the relationship and the magic in

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there. There is so many wonderful

quotes, but there is one that sums

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it up, borrowed from JFK, he has

mobilised the English language and

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sent it into battle. This is where

your character comes, she is his

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secretary.

Yes she was with him as

he is creating the speeches and

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writing it down as it comes, all

through the night, Churchill worked

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ridiculous hours at 4.30 trying to

keep her eyes open. I think it is

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incredible. It is a real woman I

play who worked with him throughout

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the war. To be that close to this

great man as he was, like you said,

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saving the future of... Of our

country.

It is all coming from him.

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It is not like he has a bunch of

scriptwriters.

And you're just going

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with it.

Yes and it was so thrilling

with me working with Gary and it

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felt like Churchill pacing behind me

and I was hoping I wasn't going to

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screw it up.

Do you remember the

first day when he came into

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rehearsal, all the cast were sitting

around the huge table and Gary

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arrives in full Winston...

In the

whole thing?

There was a sort of

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hush, no one could believe that

Churchill has come back. It is

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uncanny. People stood up.

He said it

was his toughest role because of the

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prosthetics he had to put on.

It

took three or four hours.

And two

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hours to get it off.

And the fact he

can still convey through that mask

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such honest like thoughts and

impression -- expression.

And a

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Golden Globe nomination. This is the

moment your character feets him for

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the first time.

Did he shout at you.

No.

He can be a brute. I think you

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were nervous and he has a knack for

drawing out the worst in people.

He

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is a man like any other. I have

noticed a deterioration in your

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manner. You're not as kind as you

used to be. You have become rough.

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And sarcastic and overbearing and

rude.

Is this about the new girl?

If

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the king asks you to be Prime

Minister, I don't want you to be

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disliked.

More than I already am?

Among all the serious issues in

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there there is a huge amount of

humour in it, which is a joy. Is

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that something that you expected

when you initially started making

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this movie that it would be so funny

in parts?

Well I knew Churchill had

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this extravagant sense of humour,

but when I watched it I was

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surprised my how much it made me

laugh.

In my part, when I read the

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part, I always looked for a bit of

humour and wit and there was so much

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warmth between the two of them and

the teasing of each other and you

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feel the old relationship in the

writing, it was there on the page.

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So it didn't surprise me. I'm

thrilled it is getting across.

Your

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character wrote a book and described

him adds impatient, kind, irritable,

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crushing, generous, inspiring,

difficult, considerate. Could you

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both work for a man like that?

I may

already have done that. Or be

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married to a man like that, imagine

that?

Even worse.

It is so timely

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with everything that is going on and

all the negotiations that are

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happening now and really just the

amount of sacrifice that happened

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and that remind, needs to be taken

note for people on the opposite side

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of the table with our European

allies, did you have have a sense of

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that?

Yes I found I'm so lost in the

moment when I'm making it, that I'm

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doing and investing in Elizabeth and

I loved her book. You can't not be

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aware of the greater impact of the

story and how people might respond.

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People will be looking forward to

see it. When can we see it.

You will

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have to wait until 12th January. It

is well worth the wait.

Something to

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look forward to after Christmas. To

another form of story telling.

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Sometimes my work is commissioned.

But very often I make work solely

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more my own pleasure and I don't

have any object of selling them. In

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fact in some cases I wouldn't want

to sell them, because they mean so

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much to me. I'm Paul Johnson and

make special one of a kind pop up

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books. I'm a paper engineer. A paper

engineer cuts paper to make usually

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three-dimensional forms, it could be

a pop up book or a piece of

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sculpture. This is a good example of

a book. It has over 300 separate

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parts. When I open the clasp, it

becomes a carousel pop up book. And

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you can see all the pages without

opening them. It is about a lady who

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lives in the house. This is her

house here. This is her garden and

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if I turn it to the back, you can

also see the rear of the house and

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the covers of the book as well.

Today, I'm going to make a special

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pop pup book on the theme of

Christmas for The One Show. It is

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based on Dylan Thomas's a Child's

Christmas in Wales. I start by

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taking a large sheet of paper and

soak it and bleed on to the wet

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paper brilliant textile dyes. Once

I've dyed the paper and the paper is

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dry, have to cut out the shapes I

need. In this particular pop up

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there are 20 pieces. Most of the

books that I make sell in America.

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The most expensive piece I've made

is about £4,000, but that is three

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months work. How I learned to love

working with paper growing up in the

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40s was on the back of corn flake

packs there were models you could

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make like castles, and I would look

forward to finishing off the packet

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of corn flakes. Another 19 pieces to

go. The pop up book I'm making for

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the One Show has taken about 30

hours to make. The actual assembly

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will take about 20 minutes. All the

single units that make up my pop up

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books are joined together with dove

tail joints. But they all have go in

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in a certain order.

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Here is Dylan Thomas's a Child's

Christmas in Wales. Specially for

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The One Show.

Looking through my

bedroom window out into the

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moonlight and the unending smoke

coloured snow, I could see the

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lights in the windows and hear the

music rising from them up the long,

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steadily falling night. I turned the

gas down. I got into bed. I said

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some words to the close and holy

darkness. And then I slept.

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Well Paul and I were engrossed in

that. What a story. And you have

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popped up here. It is fascinating

how you turned this life from pacts.

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I started about 30 years ago. It was

only five years ago that I started

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making sculpture pieces that open

and the pop up book is inside.

That

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is something else!

The stories are

made up as I go along. I don't know

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And here you have worked out our

Christmas decorations. I think our

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guests will enjoy looking at all

these beautiful books and I don't

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know what you think, but it is

remarkable to be part of a pop up

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book.

Well the resemblance is

uncanny. Gosh! They would be lovely

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for your grandson. Now Mamma Mia,

Lily, Here We Go Again. That was a

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dream role, the sequel.

Yes I had

the best time, just an insane amount

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of fun.

Is that how you hurt your

foot, did you end up with a broken

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toe.

I have a broken toe. I ran into

a lighting stand.

Is that you and

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the cast.

Yes. They do wear boots

very similar to those.

It is a big

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singing role, are there many songs

left after the first film?

You would

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be surprised. There is bangers.

I

bet.

A lot of the original songs are

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repeated and I probably should stop

there before I get murdered for

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seeing too much.

When is it out.

I

think July next year. A summer film.

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Kristin, you have been making

another Tomb Raider film.

Yes, but

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I'm not allowed to say anything. I

have been doing it.

Is it the case

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that you have been tempted back into

films after your sort of... Break.

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You could say that. I do love it. I

do really love it. I love making

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films. I love being on a film set

and the whole thing with the cameras

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and lots of lights and having to put

your chin that way to say something

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and stand on this mark. I love that.

We have talked about the break and

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you did a lot of theatre within that

did you, you felt you had to go back

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to theatre to find that love of

acting.

I was spending a lot of time

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wearing something else's heads and

saying somebody else's words, rather

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than being myself. And working on

stage you manage to evacuate it

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don't you think? You go on stage and

you have two or three hours every

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day and you get it done.

In and out.

And it is sort of gone and is Ute of

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you. Filming it is more insidious

and lurks around.

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That's it for tonight - thanks

to our guests Kristin and Lily.

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Darkest Hour will be in cinemas

on the 12th of January and expect

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to see a lot more of them

come awards season.

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Tomorrow night, Sarah Millican

will be here with the stars

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of the new Star Wars -

Andy Serkis and Domnhall Gleeson.

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Until then...

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