13/03/2012 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.

Tonight we have two great guests. The first is a heavyweight who

likes to think he can get politicians to grovel. The other is

the star of Gavin And Stacey getting them to do just that. It's

Andrew Neil and Joanna Page. APPLAUSE

Lovely to see you both. Jo, we saw the Prime Minister boying -- bowing

down to you there. You were at a reception at Downing Street for St

David's Day. What was going on? think he was blown away by my

beauty to be honest. He's a fan of the show. He said "I bow down to

you. I'm not worthy. I love the show. You should make more of it."

He was very sweet. He's never said that to me! You should wear short

skirts. LAUGHTER

I've tried that. But he still hasn't said that to me. That is

brilliant. We did do a little messing around with the photo. Put

that in a frame. Where's the skirt? We'll add that. We'll be talking

more to you about your new role later on. One institution that

David Cameron certainly doesn't want to bow down to is the European

Court of Human Rights. He's pushing for it to be reformed. Here are

some of the reasons why. The Government wants to deport

certain criminals and terror suspects from the UK. But it can't,

because the court says they have the right it a family life here.

Parliament passed laws aimed at reducing forced marriages. But it

had to scrap them because human rights would be breached. And the

PM says the thought of giving prisoners the vote makes him

physically sick. Again the European Court says it's their right. Andrew

has a new documentary looking at whether decisions in the name of

human rights are threatening public support for the justice system.

former Home Secretary John Reid thinks they might be. It gives

absolute rights to one individual, even when that one individual may

be a threat to the rest of the British population. We were

prohibited from taking into account the potential effect of terrorism

or murder on the other 64 million British people. You mean the rights

of everybody else. That's unbalanced. The President of the

European Court of Human Rights said today that they're not interfering

with the UK justice system. Interesting he's actually British

as well. He is indeed. He's been there for a long while. Very

distinguished human rights judge. What he said is not what a lot of

British politicians think. A lot of politicians think if the European

Court is telling Britain it has to give prisoners the vote, even

though Parliament has voted ten to one against doing that, and if it

has to keep Abu Qatada in this country, even though our courts say

he can go back to Jordan, they see that as interference. They may be

right or wrong, but the European convention has a big impact in our

life now. As in the case of Abu Qatada, the European Court in some

people's eyes seem to be ruling on the side of the perpetrator and not

protected the victim. That's what's public perception is. That's a

common perception. It is a popular public perception. It's not always

true. Sometimes things are simplified too much. You don't give

both sides of the case, tabloid headlines can be misleading.

think maybe the press have said it... Sometimes people get the

wrong edge of the wedge. We found that the general feeling that

people were in favour of human rights, but sometimes they couldn't

understand, as with votes for prisoners, that the judges seem to

have a different idea of human rights from the common idea. We all

believe in human rights, free elections, free speech, due process,

fair trials and they sometimes felt the judges were just maybe pushing

the boundaries too far. Do you agree with this? Do you think the

papers have sensationalise today and that's why we think that the

European courts are siding with them. They have and you get het up

when you read the papers and you think, oh, all this is happening. I

have to be honest, I don't think that if you've commit aid crime and

you are in prison, you have given up your human rights. We tried to

give cases in the documentary which are not hyped up in a tabloid way.

We looked at this woman in Leeds who has been fighting to stop

forced marriages. She succeeded. She got Parliament for the

Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and Labour all voted for

a change to make if more difficult to have forced marriages. But the

Human Rights Act struck it down. She's not a tabloid figure. She's

working hard in difficult parts of Leeds and she just can't, it was a

common perception. She couldn't understand why human rights were

not on her side rather than others. As she said to me, what could be a

worse denial of human rights than being forced into marriage.

tell incredible cases. You also meet up with Michael Mansfield a

well known lawyer. He puts the other side to you as well. I get a

lot of feed back from people who are very supportive of the Human

Rights Act because, for example, you know, journalists sources have

been protected, disclosure of information for people who want to

bring actions against the Government, making the Government

accountable, they're all saying, in these cases, it's great. It's

provided accountability where it didn't exist before. But David

Cameron wants to replace the human rights act with a British Bill of

Rights. He does, though it would keep all the rights we currently

have from the European convention, which is not a hiedge European

conspiracy. Who was behind it? Winston Churchill. I think he was

pretty British. Michael Mansfield is right, there's another side to

it. The European convention, the court has ruled in favour of gay

rights, when they weren't that popular. It stopped Corporal

punishment in our schools. I went to the European Court. The Thatcher

Government tried to put me in jail when I published Spy Catcher, we

lost in a lot of British courts. We went to the European convention

court we won 19-0. It ain't all bad at all. I think the documentary is

pretty fair in showing both sides. Do you think it can be done? If

Cameron wants to leave, is it possible? I think it's very

difficult. The coalition is divided on this. Labour is agnostic. John

Reid and others who were in the Blair Government would like to see

changes. Current Labour leadership isn't too concerned about it. The

Conservatives want a UK Bill of Rights. The Lib Dems would rather

just leave it as the status quo. Even if we had a British Bill of

Rights, it would be secondary to the European convention. We could

come out of the European convention and that's possible. But if we do

that, we stand with Belarus, which is the worst dictatorship in Europe,

so there are no easy choices. either in or out. Exactly.

people are thinking the word Magna Carta, watch the documentary.

Rights Gone Wrong is on BBC Two at 9pm tomorrow. You need to stick

around because we will need you later for something completely

different. I wonder what that could be. It's The One Show!

hopefully, there's no-one out there thinking about committing fraud. If

you are, stop fiddling with your spread sheets and listen up.

Because as Marty Jopson explains you can try and break the law, but

you can't break the laws of mathematics.

Today in Britain a mathematical phenomenon first observed in the

19th century is helping to catch fraudsters red handed. It's known

as Benfords law and it lous you to predict how many numbers in a

sequence start with a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

eight or nine. But surely such a law would let me predict the

lottery results? Unfortunately not, because sequences of numbers don't

always behave how we think they do. Let me show you what I mean. This a

more diminutive lottery, in this case with just nine balls.

If I draw and replace a ball 100 times, each ball should crop up

roughly the same amount. So my results turned out like this: Each

ball was drawn between eight and 13 times. And the more often you draw

the nine balls, the more even the distribution of numbers becomes.

But when there's no set limit to the number of things you're

counting, like how many snow flakes are in a park, something much more

surprising occurs. Take this newspaper for example, I'm going to

circle every single number in the paper then tally up how many of

those numbers start with a one, two, three, four and so on. We'll see

what happening. To be accurate I have to exclude any numbers that do

have a limit to their total tally of digits. Like page and telephone

numbers. What you might have expected was to see a nice even

distribution across the board, but you don't. You get this huge spike

at the one end, where I've got 33% of all the numbers we tallied

started with a number one. And then carrying on down, as you end up

with just 4% starting with a nine. Now Benfords law predicts that this

is exactly what you'll get, this sort of curve that goes down like

this. Why do we get a curve? If only I could find the perfect place

to show you. Bingo! Take a bingo card with just single digit numbers

on it, one to nine. Only one of these numbers starts with a one.

Number one on its own, number one. If you go to two-digit numbers as

well and have a card that has the numbers one to 19 on it, well

you've got those ones there and all of these numbers at the bottom all

start with a number one. One and nine, 19. Every time you increase

the scale by adding another digit, the lead number restarts at one and

the pattern repeats itself again. If you have a sufficiently large

set of numbers, you should see a nice smooth Benfords curve. When

the number one is the thing thaw most often come across, two less so

and all the way down to number nine. If you don't see that lovely smooth

curve, well something may be amiss. Richard Kusnierz uses Benfords law

every day to detect fraught. We are looking at over two million

invoices for an organisation. We have mapped them to see how they

conform. This is how you expect the numbers to fall. You can see in the

vast majority the numbers do fall just below and above the line.

you show me something that's less you show me something that's less

normal. This is an abnormal graph. This is based on real-life criminal

investigation. There are very large spikes, this one here specifically

stands out. When we looked at that spike, it related to hotel expenses.

When we tried to locate where the hotels were, they didn't exist. So

someone was absolutely fiddling their expenses by just creating

bogus invoices. So even though this is a 19th century piece of last

it's applicable now. Absolutely. We use Benfords in one of the items in

our armoury. For those wishing to get rich quick by tampering with

financial accounts, beware, Benfords law is not easily fooled.

Stick with the lottery, that's the idea. Good tip. According to your

new show, The Syndicate. Very exciting. What's it all about?

written by Kay Mellor. It's five parts. It's about these people who

live in Leeds and work in a small supermarket. There's five of us in

a syndicate and we win the lottery. We win about �4 million each

because it's split. Each episode follows each of our stories. We're

all in all of the episodes, but each story concentrates on a

different character. It's a great idea because everybody has...

Lottery dreams. Everybody talk abouts it. What would you do, what

would happen? Sort of the reality of it, when it happens, I mean you

sort of think, it's going to be amazing, we're going to have loads

of money and I can do this and all my problems will be solved. This is

a fantastic script. You can buy loads of clothes, there aren't any

problem, -- problems, but then we choose to go public. Then there are

things you are trying to hide. There's lots of drama, bit of

comedy. Funny you should say that Jo. Because here you are being all

coy about going public with your win. I don't mind the local papers

reporting it, but I don't think we should let all the papers know.

not. Will it mention our names? but obviously not your addresses.

There will be some people who know where you live so. We will have to

talk about strategy. What's up love? Nothing I just don't want

people knowing my business, that's all. You should be jumping for joy.

You just won the lottery. It's not that simple for some of us. We'd

like, Leah... My name's Leeian, I don't use Leah. There's a bit of

the exclusive. That's the first time you've seen it. That's the

first I've seen. I think it looks good! I'll be watching the rest of

it now. You were being secretive there.

well my character is Welsh. Everybody else is from Leeds. When

I went to the audition, I had only read the first two episodes and my

character is mysterious, I assumed she was from Leeds as well. Had you

prepared a Leeds accent. Yes, everything. Do it. No, I'm not

doing it now! I turned up and Kay said no, she's Welsh, she's come

from somewhere else. She's been living with him and working there

for five years. She revealed my story and I thought it was

brilliant. Yes, it's all very exciting. So each episode is a

different person, what episode is yours? Four. It's the best one!

know you from Gavin And Stacey, but in this your daughter is called

Stacey. I know it sounds thick, but it was really confusing. When I

first read the script, I thought oh, this is a quo incidence, that must

mean I'm going to get the part. If I don't get it, something's wrong.

You know filming and saying "Stacey" and calling her, it felt

wrong. There was one day when I had to scream Stacey over and over

about 500 times and the cast and crew were making fun of me and it

became the word of the day. After I'd done it then, I'd got it out of

my system. Talking about family in real life your husband is James

Thornton, who did incredibly well on Let's Get Ready To Rumble, but

you have the -- let's dance for Sport Relief. But you had an

incredible meeting. We were in a costume drama called David

Copperfield. I played his wife and he played David's best friend. We

didn't have any scenes together but then it came on TV and I saw him

and just saw this rugged, lovely man, lifting David up and putting

him on his shoulders and I told my mother I wanted him to be the

father my children and apparently he saw me, this English, sweet girl

and fell in love with me. Then he was... You were both watching it on

telly? Yes, he was in a play at the national theatre with Maxine Peek

and she phoned me and said "There's a man here who says he's in love

with you. Will you see him?" And it was John Major. How long until he

proposed? My mum will know this. He propolesed after a year, then we

were engaged for a year and we got married. It's a lovely story. We

could talk for hours, but we haven't got the time. The Syndicate

starts from 27th March on BBC One. Now young people with learning

difficulties would normally stop receiving state-funded education

once they reach 19. But Simon Boazman has met one head teacher

keeping all the pupils on whatever the courts, councils or budgets

might say. There are 38,000 pupils in the UK

with severe or profound special educational needs and here at the

Columbus college in Essex they teach over 100 of them. Concerns

over what happen when's they leave education, with options for

training and work limited, has seen the college rip up the rule book

and take an unusual stand. Pupils here study a broad curriculum from

dance to life skills to the three Rs, up to age 19. After that, local

authority funding runs out. Families and teachers say 19 is too

early to leave for some students, especially when the support they

get after can be limited. Meet 22- year-old Maria, she's the college's

oldest pupil. How many years have you been here? I would reckon about

six. OK. And is it a good school, are you enjoying it? Today looks

like great fun? There's cooking and art and ballet. Do you think this

helps prepare you for when you leave college? Yes. Maria's family

hope that won't be for another three years, because they say,

staying on is teaching her vital skills. Up until now, Maria's

college place has been funded by her Local Education Authority

whilst her parents fought through the courts. She's already had an

extension of three years, but Maria's parents want to keep her at

college until she's 25. She, little by little, is learning more and

more about how you become an adult and take her place in adult society.

There's a risk that if she wasn't at Columbus, there would be nowhere

really. So the head teacher has taken a stand. He's spent tens of

thousands from the existing school budget and defied local authority

rules to allow eight students to stay on. I realise everything costs.

But you can't be in my job and settle for second best. I want the

best for these young people. I do believe that a head teacher has a

moral responsibility that goes beyond,if you like, just the strict

guidelines that are in place. is money that's coming out of the

school budget, what about the other kids? The other kids here, if this

continued, must suffer because that money would have been spent on

their education, won't be there. Yeah, again it's a question of

judgment. I have to satisfy myself that no youngster here is Negtively

affected by this stand that we're affected by this stand that we're

taking. But, and I'm satisfied that they're not, or I wouldn't be doing

it. The Government says it wants to improve support for young people

with special educational needs up to the age of 25. Local funding is

intended for pupils up to 19 and Malcom is bending those rules.

Thomas, who is autistic, is a former pupil, who didn't have the

option to stay on. Instead, he had to be sent to the only place that

met his needs, a residential centre, 150 miles away from home. His

family say they all suffered. felt like somebody had put their

hand inside my chest and ripped my heart out. I realised that it

really was the wrong decision. He was in the wrong place. He wasn't

happy. Thomas has a younger brother Joseph. He's also autistic and a

current Columbus student. We're out of time now. We have to finish.

Joseph is 19 and the family are delighted he will be staying on

next year. In Joseph's case, I feel far more confident than I did with

Thomas, because there was nothing. Now there is something. Malcom,

bless him, and everybody at blum bus, getting these extra years is

going to do him good. He has the opportunity to carry on. By next

year the college may be an academy and Malcom will have more control

over funding. Either way, ten more students, due to leave, will stay

We're meant to be an establishment that cares about people with

disabilities. And I believe it's important to care about them not

just when they're with you, but for the future and what happens

afterwards. This is a subject close to your heart. You have become a

patron of a Welsh charity that looks after children with

difficulties. You can donate money but it's for a primary school in

Swansea. They want to raise �1 million to get a hydrotherapy

school in the -- hydrotherapy pool in the school. Lots of the kids is

cerebral palsy. It's nice for them. It's the first time they get

independence as well. They don't have somebody looking after them

all the time. They can just relax. They need to raise �1 million. They

have �45,000 at the moment. If they get up to �250,000, they can apply

for grants and it will be good for them. If you want to donate

anything... Good start having you as their patron. Shall we have a

dance? Carrie Grant has been delving into the story behind one

of the most dancable hits of the 80s. It had clubbers spinning round

like a record, baby. Right round. Round, round.

The 1980s saw clubbers in the UK dancing to a new sound high energy

spelled NRG. It made you want to dance. A dance craze always creates

a number one hit. This launched a track called spin spin. It brought

together a production -- you spin me round. It brought together Stock,

Aitken and Waterman and Dead Of Alive. I wanted to make a glittery

disco record. I wanted to work with them. I had seen him on Top of the

Pops. He caught my eye immediately. # I get to know your name... #

Pete Waterman was already well established in the music industry.

He and his new team were eager to find fresh talent. It arrives in

the form of burns burns brns, a young man with plenty of -- Pete

Burns, a young man with plenty of promise.

I just knew the first time you played me the demo that there was

something magic about it. This was, I just saw that this was our first

number one. You have to remember we have been fighting to make a living,

fighting to get a reputation and there you walked in and said to me

"Would I shine it?" You shine today with knobs on. Sitting down

together for the first time in 20 years the two Petes have no trouble

remembering the track that brought them both to the public h lick eye.

Because I couldn't listen -- play a music I used -- an instrument, I

used to listen to the breaks in the music. I was listening to Luther

Vand ross. I started going # You spin me right round, like a

record, round, round. They hadn't heard the other version, but we

came up with our version. original has never been heard

before until now. It's been unearthed specially for the One

Show. The band felt this lacked the high energy sound they danced to in

the clubs. A sound that was Stock, Aitken and Waterman's production.

It webt -- it went from this... To this.

It was the Sound of the Underground. It was a sound that was

fundamentally only accessible in gay clubs. He had take continue out

of gay clubs and put it onto mainstream radio, which was a

triumph. He had the magic touch. Pete Waterman's vision for this

track saw the blending together of three very different genres, the

rockier edge of Dead Of Alive, Waterman's own dance background and

a great pop track. Could you define the sound of this track? Techno

disco. Without a question that's what it was. It was new technology

playing Motown. That's all it was. Taking out of musicians and

bringing in technology for the first time. Pete just added a

veneer to that that you couldn't purchase. But this process meant

that Pete's band often felt side lined and tempers frayed. Pete

Waterman kicked everyone out of the studio except the sound engineer

and finished the track itself. thing everybody picks up is the

little thing, total mistake. We were so tired, so we left it in. He

went barmyi. He was like a kid. You could see he loved every minute of

it. He was so excited. Mistakes and all, the track became their first

number one. They went on to produce more than 100 top 40 hits, with the

likes of Kylie, Jason Donovan and Bananarama. One thing I could make

a living at is spotting what people liked and not just the obvious. I

think with Spin me Round, it had been almost like here was 20 years

of my life waiting to happen. It ticked every box. I got goose bumps.

Kerching. I'm so lucky to have it. I realise that now as the knees are

getting sniff and the teeth are falling out, you know what I mean?

I'm glad I did something that's gone down in history.

Just remarkable. I'm sure you'll agree that the demo for that piece

of music was unearthed especially for The One Show. Lots of you at

home won't know this, but Andrew is back because he is in fact a dance

expert. It says here. It doesn't say it. We have the proof. We know

because we've seen you, Sir George Porter and former Home Secretary,

Jacqui Smith, throwing some shapes after a hard edition of this week.

APPLAUSE DJ! You wouldn't get that on

Newsnight, would you? Probably just as well. We know that politics and

pop music rarely mix. We have a bit of a quick for you. Can you get who

this leader is with these dulcet tones.

# On blueberry hill # On blueberry hill, where I found

you... # What's point of asking who it is,

when we couldn't hear a thing. be honest that didn't go as we

hoped. He was Russian... Yeltsin. No Putin on the Ritz. Putin. Here

it is again. They're probably enjoying it at

home. Not quite as planned. Thank you so much Joannea. The Syndicate