15/01/2013 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show. Tonight we are joined by a

journalistic superpower. He has met Nelson Mandela and he

has hung out with Presidents and dictators.

And if you watched Saturday-morning telly, you won't know him as Trevor

McDonut. But he is better known as Sir

Trevor Mark Bunn of. Sorry about that. We know which

side we are on. Would you like a bite of yourself? I have never seen

anything quite like this. We had some in the meeting and they were

lovely people stop I'd take your word for it. The we have got a

couple of napkins. It would seem invidious for me to eat myself. I'd

better not go there. Her over the headlines last night was the demise

of HMV. When did you remember buying a record and what do you

think it Denmark I sympathise about their fate because it must have

been about several years ago in Oxford Street, if there is one

there still. But you do not these days, and it is rather sad. I feel

sad about the demise of HMV. So do I, I was watching the news

Downloading a couple of albums, so I felt of ball.

It was probably Neil Diamond. shared that in common. It was

probably a Neil Diamond record. Later on we will be talking to

dance know about battleships and handbags.

And Sir Trevor will be telling us about his new series where he

visits a notorious American prison and meets one inmate who is serving

a 170-year sentence. Over here we do things differently.

Simon Boazman reports on a scheme which some say shows we are too

soft on criminals. When Margaret's house was burgled

she was left feeling vulnerable and angry. The true value of the things

that had been stolen it really hit home when her daughter was killed

in an accident. Certain things of hers were taken, her jewellery,

things I wanted to look at her and see again and hold again.

Especially the fact the laptop had been taken, with special

photographs, celebrating her 18th, our last family holiday. This is

the man who burgled Margaret's Howarth. He had been in and out of

prison all his adult life. How do you justify it when you're taking

personal things out of people's homes? For you do not have that

thought pattern. You are not interested in other people's

thoughts because you do not care for them, you are numb. They were

offered the opportunity to meet up and discuss the burglary in a

process called restorative justice. Both jumped at the chance. I got to

the stage where I thought I needed to do something about it because I

could not go on the way I was going. Hythe thought, what have I got to

lose? For once it is going to be about me as a victim and the chance

to ask questions. Did you everything about people?

Their first meeting was at the prison three years ago and it was

filmed and this is the footage of that first emotional encounter.

are telling me you took things from our house and you cannot really

remember much about it? I do not remember specific things because it

Kinder clouds your mind. It seems a bit strange. Since the meeting they

have remained in regular contact. Today Ian has been invited back to

the house he burgled. Hello, Margaret. Come in. The restorative

justice meeting had a huge impact on both parties. Margaret began to

understand Ian's troubled life and he made a promise to turn back his

life on drugs and crime and it is a promise he has kept. You face up to

what you have done. It is what I need it. Why do you want to help a

man who caused you so much pain? thought if there is any way we can

give you the chance to get some structure back into your life and

to develop a future... Is positive. Ian and Margaret watched the

footage separately, but this is the first time they have seen it

together and it is Derek up powerful memories. I did not want

the burglar to come back again. can understand your feelings now. I

have decided to turn my life around and deal with any problems I have

got. I could not apologise more. When he apologised, did that mean

anything? It started to because I could see he was thinking and he

was looking at me and he was being a person with feelings. Has this

restorative justice being a big motivator in keeping your eye to

prison? And why? It made me see what I had done wrong. I tried to

change my life around and get out of the situation I was end.

Government says reoffending crops by 14% by those criminals taking

part in the programme. The money spent on it is more than covered by

the savings in court costs, policing and prisons. Margaret and

Ian say in the future they will stay in contact and work together

at to use restorative justice in their community. It gave me a kick

I needed. When you come through the door at night in the dark, how do

you feel now? I feel very much at Tees, very secure. This this your

home again? Yes, definitely. It is an interesting concept. What are

your views on the idea? If it works for the victims, it is fine. We

keep hearing about the importance up at in the MP -- focuses on the

perpetrators, but how are the victims affected? If that kind of

restorative action works for them, then that is good. I am not too

sure it is the kind of thing I would want to contemplate, it is

beyond what I can. But if the victims are happy and want to be

part of it, I suppose it works. Archbishop Tutu talked about

reconciliation after apartheid, and it is cleansing of the past. If

that works, it is fine. This is a topic that has been at the

forefront of your mind because you visited a maximum security prison

in Indiana in your new documentary series Inside Death Row. How has

this affected you? In one way I cannot get some of these people I

put my head, they stay with you for a long time. They are such strong

characters and they are also so articulate. They talk about their

lives and what drove them to the state they are in so well. But the

other reason I suspect Wyke they stay with you is because you fix

them in your mind at a time and they are there. 20 months ago, you

cannot remember what you did two weeks ago. I know what they were up

to, where they were and where they are going to be for the next five

or 10, or in the case of one of them, 170 years. It is almost an

obscene use of language to give somebody a sentence for her 170

years. The guy who got that sentence was in a steel cage and he

had come there at the age of 15, having been found guilty of a

double murder aged 13. This is Sanford. That is way out for my

experience, I have never met anybody like that. I felt quite sad

for him because he seemed overwhelmed because he was going to

be there all his life, but in the next clip we can see how he escapes

in his mind. It's and he is very handsome and in his cell he is

talking about the books on his wall, eugenics and metaphysics, and he is

quite extraordinary. Yet Sandford will end his life there. We can see

him now. These are the parameters of your existence. Absolutely.

These four walls. It is a pretty isolated place. If you see it as

such. It is isolated only to the extent you think it is. Those books

allow for Great Escape and to be able to leave the confines of the

world. You have kept up that relationship. I have asked the

Prison to send him some books. You are not allowed to send books to

prisoners, but if you send them to us, we will send them to him. That

is nice. Some books about England and Dickens. Dickens would take his

mind far away. It seems like they really want to talk to you. They

are gushing out a lot of their stories and horrific things they

are telling us. How vulnerable did you feel? There were times when I

thought I was mad. One of those times was sitting on the bed of a

man on death row who had committed the most appalling murders. He had

gone into somebody's house on the pretence of wanting to use the

telephone and ended up killing him in the most horrible way. I thought

to myself as I sat there in his cell, on his bed, I thought, what

am are doing here? If only my mother could see me now, she would

think, I get a life. But the other thing about it is you became quite

entranced and drawn into this extraordinary, bizarre story about

these people and what they do. a bizarre world as well because it

is like its own little planet. This is the barber shop. All the barbers

are convicts. Rake is serving three life sentences, plus 10 years.

Walking into this place is one of the most extraordinary experiences

I have had for a long time. He would not have thought this was a

barber shop in a maximum-security prison. We want to keep its unique

because we like the atmosphere and we like being able to come in here

and to relax. If you come into the barber shop and you are a gang

member, would you start trouble with a guy who is standing here

like this? No, I would not. They said in 37 years nobody had been

hurt. What shocked me about that is the appearance of normalcy. That

looks like a hairdressing shop in any town. They kept trying to make

it that way because in a way it was an escape. Sanford used his books

as an escape. For people who went there, they got privileges to have

their hair cut and it was is sought after place to work. Both episodes

are incredible. Inside Death Row starts on ITV won this Thursday at

9pm. Four decommissions Royal Navy ships

could be heading for the scrapyard or a watery grave after being put

up for sale this week. While there are currently rusting

away in's harbour, John Sergeant has better news on the future of

Her I'm aboard a very special ship that has fallen into disrepair. Now

�1 million will be spent to bring it back to life and remind us of

one of the greatest moments in the history of the Royal Navy. HMS

Caroline is the only surviving British vessel from the First World

War. Caroline now lies peacefully in the Belfast docks, but in 1916

it took part in the most significant naval battle of the

First World War, the Battle of Jutland. A naval historian is in no

doubt about the ship's importance. Tell us about the Battle of Jutland.

It was about blockading Germany and eventually they have to send out

their fleet to block the blockade - - beat the blockade. We lost more

men and more ships, but the Germans ran away and stayed away. One of

the key battle stations was below deck. The emergency steering

position, fully manned. A Shell has hit the bridge. They can't see

anything while the battle is raging. They are down here, they will only

be able to hear the battle. They are right down here in the bowels

of the ship, not in a good place to be. This is an account from one of

the seamen on board the next morning. The sea was littered with

all kinds of ship's fittings and other things too ghastly to write

about. So ended the most awful see fight in the history of the world.

After the trauma of the First World War, HMS Caroline was soon docked

here and until recently remained as a training ship for the Royal Navy.

She did have a more exciting time in the Second World War. She became

for a base for convoy protection. All of the convoy escorts working

out of Belfast across the Atlantic were based around HMS Caroline.

This vessel has huge significance for Belfast. Historically it is an

important vessel and for us in generating the interest around our

own maritime theme, it is usually important. But it has been hard

work just keeping this ship afloat. The ships are electrician, Billy

Hughes, has spent most of his life working on Caroline like his father

before him. This is the place for the turbines. Some of the gaskets

gave way and there was a flood. We had to pump it out. If it wasn't

for your action, it would have gone down. Yes. It probably would have

sunk. Our plan is to open the ship in time for the anniversary of the

Battle of Jutland in 2016. �1 million has been spent already, we

need another Oct �11 million. To walk on her DEC and to be able to

go onto the bridge and walk around the spaces and see the engine rooms,

fantastic. For a few years ago there was a real danger that this

great ship would be sold off for scrap. Now it shouldn't be long

before HMS Caroline becomes one of the most famous historic ships in

the world. Dan is here to talk more history.

The Germans spun around in the Battle of Jutland, but they then

left. Can the Brits claimed that was a victory? In the opening phase

of the battle, the German scored some deadly hits. They blew up

Queen Mary, 1,200 people killed in an instant. It is one of the most

terrible images of World War One. But then the British almost lured

them into a trap and does the sun went down, they pounded the German

fleet so violently that the Germans ran back to base and never came out

so meaningfully again. They did not want to try that again and the

North Sea was controlled by the Brits since then. We will take

victory! You brought in some artifacts there will be displayed

on the ship when it has opened as a museum that tell the human story.

We will start with a sparkling back. It is such a wonderful litem. The

ship is the steel and fabric of the ship. This was sown by patriotic

women who wanted to raise money for the widows of the lost men. It has

patriotic slogans on it. Then you have this telescope that was used

by Lieutenant Commander on board the Caroline Flint. Caroline did

have an exciting time. She was almost hit a. That telescope might

have been on the Caroline during the battle. These letters are a

reminder of the extraordinary human cost of these battles. This was an

able seaman called Lieutenant Leonard Gordon Gulvin. He was

caught -- killed on the Black Prince. A similar ship to the

Caroline. Killed on May 31st. Some of the Admiralty letters and things

to the family. It is still quite recent, we still have this

bureaucracy attached to the death of these people. The idea is to

restore Caroline by 2016. What other plans for next year, 2014, to

commemorate World War One? A very exciting time. A big series with

Jeremy Paxman on BBC One. Dramas, documentaries. Fe Imperial War

Museum has been given �35 million by the government to redo its First

World War collection. A lot of community led stuff up and down the

country. I was in Blackburn last night talking about people there

were killed. A big anniversary in 2016, of the Battle of the Somme.

We love anniversaries. Your be involved, Trevor! I didn't report

on that one! Thank you. Good luck with your new show on 9pm, BBC Two

tonight. History of railways. yourself home! For 30 years ago,

viewers were introduced to an overly cheerful presenter, bright

set and constant stream of seemingly random studio items.

Per for the 1980s there wasn't much of an appetite for breakfast TV,

with audiences preferring to listen than watch. All that changed when

ITV was given the go-ahead to produce early morning news. Several

companies raced to bid for the franchise, but would anybody be

watching? TV-am would base themselves that their students in

Camden Lock and emerge victorious, but the BBC wasn't going to let the

slot go unchallenged and quickly announced that they would also in

every schedule breakfast television. Soon the race was on to see who

would serve up TV a breakfast first. TV-am had spent three years

planning it breakfast menu, with the launch date scheduled for

February 1983. But the BBC beat them to the punch with Frank

Bough's historic introduction. Monday, 17th January, 1983. You are

watching the first edition of breakfast-time. He Nick Ross was

one of the original line-up. think it was a spoiler. The BBC saw

a vacuum and they needed to fill it, they needed to get there before ITV

if they could. A lot of people were rooting against the BBC. Two weeks

later at TV-am followed the BBC to air with Good morning Britain.

Hello, good morning and welcome. Sir David Frost was among the heavy

weight TV-am team dubbed the famous five. This was serious morning News

and they had a mission to explain. Basically the attempt to do more

than just parrot news headlines, but to explain the story behind the

headlines. The reviews all said, resoundingly, Vught undoubtedly TV-

am would undoubtedly defeat at the BBC. But the reviewers were wrong.

On the other side, the BBC had introduced a lighter approach.

cardboard cut-out! Stuffy news reporting in suits had been

replaced by jazzy jumpers, a set designed to look like your living

room and in informality never before seen at the corporation. But

behind the scenes there were reservations. We thought dignity

and authority were everything and that you would lose that authority

if you were informal. The producer of the show just have the opposite

idea. He said you had to connect with the audience. We had all sorts

of arguments, particularly when I heard there would be an astrologer

on the show. I nearly threw my toys out of the pram. But I was

converted, it just worked. success was reflected in the

ratings, with an average 1.6 million watching the BBC while TV-

am could only muster half of that in its first week. Within just two

months, the chief executive was forced to resign. Two of the famous

five, and a Ford and Angela Rippon, were let go and as the advertisers

deserted, the station lurched towards bankruptcy. To save the

sinking ship a new boss, Greg Dyke, was brought in. I'd never seen so

many people crying in the office, it was that sort of place. We just

set about building a new show. There was no point going for the

intellectual audience TV-am had said they would go for. You had to

go for housewives and kids. TV am tried at a more family-friendly

presenting team including Anne Diamond and Nick Owen, but they had

another secret weapon. We put on Roland Rat for half-term and there

was a jump in the ratings. We said why don't we do this during the

summer? Six weeks, we went from way behind to overtaking the BBC.

Roland Rat and the new format took the audience is to 1.8 million and

with the increased advertising revenue, TV-am was back in the game.

Early morning TV was firmly established on both channels. The

risk that was breakfast TV paid off and those early pioneers changed

how we watch TV and paved the way for morning television as we know

it today. A very happy 30th birthday. Angela

Rippon is joining us. I can't believe it was 30 years ago! That

is the most extraordinary think that it was 30 years ago. Did you

get an invite to the 30th birthday party of ITV... Will there be one?

I don't know. I might pop of yacht champagne cork. I don't know that I

shall be invited. TV-am was three years in the planning. Yes. Can you

describe the moment that you heard the BBC would come out with a

Breakfast Show and be on air before TV-am? For we were furious! We were

given the contract to go on air and be the first. For whatever reason,

and I still don't know why, the ITC decided that we should be delayed

by year. The BBC naturally took advantage. Parfait came out two

weeks before us. -- they came out. It was a terrific time because

there wasn't breakfast television or daytime television. Although TV-

am got it so wrong in the early days and the BBC got it so right,

our mission to explain this idea that we should set the news agenda

for the day before we sent everybody off to work was nonsense.

What you wanted was nice and gentle, the sort of stuff you have now. We

got it wrong. But it was very exciting because we knew we were

making television history, BBC and ITV, something entirely new that

had never been done in Britain before. TV-am were finding their

feet for a couple of months. They did eventually get it right.

left and it got better! From finding your feet to finding the

right knees. People often wonder if news readers wear pyjamas and

slippers. We don't. I do remember once... You were doing the Royal

Variety Performance and a heart attack -- had to come back to the

TV news to me. Bob Monkhouse said, we're going back to Angela Rippon

for the news, and he came back and said she hasn't got legs, they just

roll around on castors behind the desk! A brilliant game now.

Newsround. And name those knees. Any idea? And no idea. Angela?

it an afford? -- an-hour fought. Yes! 1-0. Great-niece. Good Lord!

This is clearly a man, we hope. is not taking care of his knees.

Any thoughts? Not a clue. That's good! It could be anybody.

surname that is very topical. son was on the show. Peter Snow.

Nephew. It is indeed John Snow! must take better care of his knees.

Finally, one for you, Angela. that a bloke again? This could be

awkward. Up let's reveal. It's you! Thank you to both of you go for