15/03/2018 The One Show

Hello and welcome to

The One Show, with Matt Baker.

And Angellica Bell.

Later on, we'll be seeing how

Alex and the team fared

on the penultimate day

of The Mother Of All Challenges,

as they took on Snowdonia's

treacherous Porth Yr Ogof cave.

But first tonight's guest,

who recently completed the epic

Camino de Santiago Pilgrimage

for a new BBC series.

As she's clearly such a fan

of walking, we figured we'd ask her

to make her own way here tonight.

Surely go for it?

Yes. As soon as I

start walking up these hills I am in

agony. We are on the way home,

folks. 30,630 steps I have taken

today.

We made it.

It's Debbie McGee!

Debbie! You stopped at the shops on

the way here. Nice to see you.

I'm

guessing you didn't walk up on

those?

Of course I did!

How your

feet?

They were completely covered

in blisters. Blisters on blisters on

blisters. You know when your blister

comes off and it is raw? That is

what I was like. Lovely to meet you.

I didn't get to meet you on

Masterchef.

A book coming out and

everything, I tell you!

We'll be joined by one

of your walking companions -

The One Show's own Raphael Rowe

- later on.

He is not as quick at walking as you

are so that is why he is slightly

late.

He is on his roller-skates

tonight.

At the end of last year,

one show viewer Karen Anvil made

the front pages of papers around

the world, thanks to this picture

of William, Kate, Harry and Meghan.

I love this picture.

They are all

looking at Karen.

Does Karen have a future

as a royal photographer?

Or was that just one lucky click?

We sent her to

Birmingham to find out.

Karen Allen Phil from Norfolk is on

a royal mission. She is trying to

recreate this photograph which made

headlines around the world.

I've got

my phone and then got dizzy of

history can repeat itself.

Last

Christmas, Karen and her daughter

Rachel joined the crowds outside

church in Sandringham to get it in

so Prince Harry's bride-to-be,

Meghan Markle.

My aim wasn't to take

photos that day. I was joining in

with the hundreds of other people

who had phones out.

Karen took just

one picture.

I looked at him and I

thought, that's really good. I

didn't think I would put it on

Twitter. To all of my 11 followers.

She also posted on the BBC Twitter

page. Before she knew it, her

picture had 80,000 likes and media

organisations around the world were

asking for a copy.

Just one snap

made more than £10,000. That is like

a lottery win. It has changed our

life for the better.

Was this a

lucky one off or can she do it

again? With Prince Harry and his

fiancee due to visit tomorrow, we

are pitting Karen against Suzanne

Plunkett, renowned Royal

photographer, to see who can get

their snapshot published.

I am ready

case at the joint. This kind of

reminds me like a gig. Like you are

about to see a rock band.

Karen

thinks she has found the perfect

spot.

They're getting dropped off

here, then they will start here. So

I think, this corner of this pen is

my goal.

But as the sun goes down,

the reality of it all sets in.

There

is a lot of pressure but tomorrow it

will be just me and my phone against

all these professional

photographers. I don't have much

hope I'm going to get the snap of

the day tomorrow.

As her opponent,

Suzanne, she has more than 20 years

experience capturing big moments

such as Kate and William's wedding,

and the breadth of Prince George.

She has agreed to give Karen some

tips.

Making eye contact can help.

You will be using your mobile. You

will be tapping away as you are

trying to get her attention.

Should

I mention the photo?

Why not?

Tomorrow we are against each other.

Do you feel any pressure?

At first I

thought no, but now, I don't know. I

don't want to miss out to a mobile

phone!

It's on. 7am, Karen is the

first to arrive and grabs her place.

Right, this is good. And this is my

home. For the next three and a half

hours.

Suzanne is also looking out

for a good spot.

I am not going to

get a shot if I am behind her.

I

don't know what Suzanne is doing but

I have that feeling that she is

waiting to see what I do before she

then makes her move.

But Suzanne has

a secret weapon. Her trusty pink

steps.

Look! She has got gloves on.

She is a pro.

Now they just have to

wait.

And it's not long before the crowds

and paparazzi muscle in on their

territory. After four hours in the

rain and cold, Prince Harry and

Megan finally arrived. The battle

commences. For a Karen, things don't

start well. The royal couple walked

straight past.

I missed my

opportunity.

She has to act fast.

Getting a good shot is tricky among

these crowds so she tries her plan

to get Prince Harry's attention.

Can

I ask you a question? I took a photo

of you at Christmas and I was

wondering if you liked it.

Which one

was that?

Made the front pages.

I

hope you made lots of money out of

it.

It did. You saved my life.

Thanks.

Karen continues to snap away

and get some half decent shots.

Suzanne has managed to get some good

pictures as well. Now the race is on

to applaud their images to see whose

picture is picked up by the press.

So who did get their

picture published?

I have the result here. There is the

winning shot. Who took it?

It is

Karen!

This was the winning shot.

That joke of a picture was the

winning shot!

Are you pleased?

I am

pleased I got to meet Prince Harry

and he knew I was not a money

grabber making money off the photo.

That is what I wanted. Because

Suzanne is the best photographer.

Her photos were amazing.

This was

more of an article about you and the

fact you got another shot on the

back of the one you got before. What

did you take away from what he

actually said to you?

Relief. I felt

fantastic. That is what I wanted.

When I was being asked, do you want

another shot? I knew it was pure

luck. It has changed my life and my

daughters. -- daughter's. I feel

silly, but Prince Harry, that is so

cool for him to say, I hope you made

a lot of money. It was kind of like

the nod. He knew it was a lucky

thing.

You went there to see the

Royals.

Because of my daughter!

Hi,

Rachel.

Isn't she gorgeous? I even

said to her that morning, are you

absolutely sure? She said she wanted

to see Megan. So we went.

Veigneau

started making money from this

photo. The idea was to put money

into Rachel's education. What is the

situation?

I have done other stuff

for a Rachel now through that. She

has been so lucky she has got an

apprenticeship at our local

hospital, working in cancer services

on our Macmillan unit. She has done

really well. She will be working her

way up on the inside. This is a

start for her. Which is brilliant.

Fantastic. It is driving lessons,

cars, safe cars. That is what I

wanted.

Good stuff. Good picture,

you met Harry and you got plenty of

money from it. Earlier we sent you

on a The One Show challenge.

Can I have a shot for the The One

Show? BEEP. I'm going to take you

down. I will take you down to

Chinatown. BEEP.

I will use a garden

hose. An actual garden hose.

APPLAUSE.

APPLAUSE.

That is hilarious.

We need

to point out that was a gag.

Debbie

never uses language like that at

all!

Well done.

Thank you.

all!

Well done.

Thank you.

We will

be checking in on Alex later. First,

earlier this year Alex and two of

the team visited Nairobi to see your

money in action.

Nairobi, Kenya. It can be hard to be

disabled anywhere in the world. But

in the sprawling city life, being a

disabled child can be especially

tough. There is still a lot of

stigma around disability teacher and

children with disabilities often

don't get the chance to have an

education, to play sport or even do

things that you and I take for

granted. Debbie and Amal are off to

see how disabled children are coping

in Nairobi. Debbie found out her

daughter may have cerebral palsy

just a few days after she was born.

During pregnancy you must put

yourself in a bubble that you have a

perfect baby. Then when it is not

OK, there is a disbelief, there is a

guilt. And then there is fear. What

is this child's future going to be?

High!

Jeff is eight years old and

disabled. His mother is a widow and

has found it difficult to look after

her son alone.

TRANSLATION:

Shortly after Jeff was

born he looked unwell. I was worried

and took him to the hospital. Then

for five days, he went into a coma.

After eight months he couldn't sit

up and was just lying down. The

doctors could not say what was wrong

with him. He had a disability and I

had to do my best to look after him.

I cannot leave him alone with

anyone. Everywhere I go I have to

carry on. It becomes very stressful.

He is very heavy. Sometimes Jeff is

not able to communicate what he

wants, and he is crying. It is so

frustrating. I cry with him.

What

else was difficult about having a

disabled child?

TRANSLATION:

The biggest challenge

is stigma, being looked at like you

did something wrong.

I have come away with a real sense

of how much support she lacked for

at least six years of Jeff's life.

Bringing up a child with challenges.

There is a project funded through

sport relief donations, the active

network for the disabled that

assists children like Jeff. It helps

children improve their movement and

prepares them for a possible future

in mainstream education. Alfred is

one of the support workers at this

project.

How has Jeff changed since he has

been taking part in the project?

He could not walk, he could not

crawl, you could not even speak. But

since getting involved in sports,

the children are pushing him to

move, to go for the ball. At long

last he can now crawl. With time he

will stand and he will walk.

Yes!

Look at Jeff on his feet. It is

just lovely. It is showing there is

so much ability there.

It is really

inclusive. The other kids are

getting involved.

The project supports parents as well

as children. Ruth's daughter found

it difficult to communicate or war

before she came here. What was your

experience of other people's

reactions to you having a disabled

daughter?

daughter? They say it is a curse?

Look how well this beautiful little

girl is doing. She is walking. She

is starting to talk.

She is saying mum.

That is beautiful.

TRANSLATION:

Before coming to this

group I felt alone but when I came

here there were other people going

through the same problems. I can

feel the stress of life going away

because I can talk with other

parents.

It is so, so important.

Being involved in a project like

this means that Jeff is more mobile

and less dependent on his mother.

Your donations will help to pay for

a sporting coach to run sessions

like the one we have seen today.

Give generously, give as much as you

can. Thank you.

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of All Challenges and make

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Debbie

Debbie, can you do £20?

Sure.

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From one epic journey to another.

Welcome.

Raph's with us now, because you two

have been spending quite a bit

of time together lately!

Let's talk about Pilgrimage:

The Road to Santiago.

Tell us about it.

It has an epic

journey as you said starting in

Biarritz in France and walking

across the Pyrenees which I think

was the most challenging part of the

journey. It was baking hot and

really difficult because all we had

was our rucksacks and everything in

them.

You carry your own kit?

We did

not take anything else, we had to

leave all the luxuries at home and

do this epic journey. You can walk

ten kilometres a day and it is very

difficult and although it was

physically challenging it was a

pleasurable pain.

The route is

around 500 miles?

It is more than

that, it is 800 kilometres. We could

not walk all of it because we did

not have enough time, most people

take six weeks.

What is it about

this route? 250,000 people do it.

People did it thousands of years ago

as a pilgrimage, a way to get closer

to St James, that is the end result,

Santiago de Compostela was the

journey.

We did it like they did in

the medieval times, staying in the

craftiest places!

Did you expect

that?

No! You know me -- the most

grotty places. There were seven of

us in all.

There is your crew.

Ed

Byrne kept us laughing most the and

Neil. JJ Chalmers was lovely, who

presents the Invictus Games and

things, and Heather Small, she sang

on a couple of occasions. And Kate,

the Reverend Kate, she could be a

stand-up comedian!

I think she found

it the toughest, not because she

could not physically do it about I

think she did not expect it to take

so long and for it to be all about

walking. I think she found it quite

challenging, as we all did.

It was

hard.

Very hard.

But what made it

was we all got on so well and the

Camino is a special place because

you're miles away from any work up

in the mountains and you meet a lot

of interesting people.

A big part of

the programme is the conversations

you have together and also the

people you meet and we have a little

clip of you talking to a gentleman

and his motivation.

My dad that the

walk but yet to get an emergency

flight home. We found out he had

cancer. And I lost him a week before

Christmas. I've got his pilgrim

passport from 2014. I'm collecting

his stamps just trying to get a bit

of comfort to fulfil what he wanted

to do.

We could see what that meant

to you having that conversation and

what you have been through

obviously.

It is just a clip and you

don't get a whole conversation but

I'm sure you will on the programme.

It just touched me. My grief was so

raw because we filmed this last

June, just before I started Strictly

and his grief was very raw and it

was just that moment... He was a

very special boy. The relationship

he had had with his father, walking

in his dad's boots and things. It

was a very special moment in the

trip.

Did it come at a good time for

you, this? Was that one of the

reasons you wanted to do it?

It was

just something I would never do and

because they said so many people get

enlightened by it, and I'm not

religious, but I was brought up

Catholic, I thought I might get

something spiritual out of it.

Actually what I got was the

camaraderie. The seventh of us got

on so well, we were like a family

and we have stayed in touch -- the

seven of us. Raph has been almost

around the world since, Neil loves

sending us pictures of him on a

beach! But we all got something out

of doing the walk. It is special. We

did it as they did years ago, and if

you don't have much of a budget, you

can stay in the hostels we stayed in

and we survived and if I can't

survive in them, anybody can! That

was the hardest thing, our

rucksacks. He walked behind me

holding it up! But that was the

hardest thing. But people have their

rucksacks sent on to modern hotels

now. They end up at a hotel with the

luggage there.

Like you said this is

not just a show about religion and

faith. Raph, you are an atheist and

you say that on the programme.

I

described myself as a ignorantist

and by that I mean I know nothing

about religion. I hoped to discover

more about religion and spirituality

and peoples faces. And talking to

the team I was with I knew nothing

about humanists before and I learned

more towards that -- and people's

faiths. People of all ages walks the

walk, like the kid we met who walked

in his dad's shoes, you will it

means more people that you could

imagine. I did not discover anything

new about religion but it reinforced

my thoughts about religion and one

of the most interesting things was

the grown-up conversations we as a

group had about religion and what we

thought about it and other people

thought about it. And why people

like Kate, who is a priest, believe

in God or a faith so strongly and

what drives them. I was driven by

something completely different. When

you were struggling and it was a

tough journey, you could find

something in yourself to carry on

getting through which was really

hard.

And you have touched on the

hostel site of this bit you

struggled in one which had a single

bed with Barzan and that was a good

reason, because you were wrongly

convicted of murder and spent 12

years in jail.

In a jail cell in a

single bed, and when I was released,

I vowed to myself I would never

sleep in a single bed again. Lo and

behold, on the very first day, in

the first hostel, what do you have?

A single bed and a window with bars

so that was a very tough night for

me. One of the biggest turnarounds

in my thought process in coping with

sleeping -- was coping in sleeping

in a single bed.

It is all in the

programme am Pilgrimage: The Road To

Santiago which starts tomorrow night

at 9pm on BBC Two. It is time to see

how Alex and her band of months I

been getting on on the penultimate

day of the mother of all challenge.

Today they are in Snowdonia. And my

word,

We have already paddled, climbed and

swam but today it is all about

keeping it together mentally. Our

task is to go into the depths of the

Porth Yr Ogof cake in the Brecon

Beacons, as it of -- interconnected

caves one and a half miles long with

a river running through it.

They are

taking us into places called the

letterbox and the washing machine!

A

lack of air and a lack of space!

Not

too problematic! I am going to

channel my inner miner.

Today is

almost 100% psychological.

I'm not

sure how I'm going to react to the

confined spaces.

What if I panic? I

can't get out and out and I can't go

down and out.

I hope I'm not the one

who starts freaking out.

But on the

lamp and I'll be fine! After the

safety briefing we are ready.

But the entrance of the case isn't

what we quite expected.

That is my

worst nightmare.

How are we feeling?

Petrified.

Petrified.

To be honest, we were all

a little bit apprehensive, even more

so when we were told we had to

abseil to the bottom but this team

of mums looks after each other.

We'll be fine when we are in there.

The chatter is not quite as lively,

they are starting to realise that

this is a real challenge.

It is a

long way down.

I nearly had a panic

attack halfway down.

We take it one

step at a time.

I thought was going

to burst into tears and I don't do

that.

It is a great sense of relief

to have firm ground under our feet

again. I knew it was going to be all

right because I saw you do it. When

we walked in and we got an idea of

how big it actually is. But our

sightseeing comes to a halt as we

are told we have a set of

claustrophobic challenges to go

through. The first is called the

Sofa.

The going straight through

this hole, we will crawl in...

Did

you pack the fairy liquid?!

This sofa is definitely not as

comfortable as the one on the One

Show.

I don't like tight places, the

fact that I can't stand up.

Following the instructions of the

guides, where else could we go next

but the Letterbox.

It is the

smallest hole.

It's a bit of a

squeeze. But there was a nice water

slide at the end.

They're doing

amazing, really inspirational, it's

fantastic.

Fear has given way to

giggles! I can't believe we got

through it!

As a team it makes it

easier. You can see the fun in it

and pushing each other through the

holes, that is the key. Having

already climbed a mountain earlier

in the week, we did not think we

would have to face any more ledges.

We were wrong.

Behind me is an area

called the Ledge of Death, if you go

too far to the right there is a

chance you can drop off the edge.

Steadily we crawl across the ledge.

You cannot put a foot wrong.

It is

such a burn on the other body

pulling yourself along.

And if that

was not enough, on the way out we go

through what is called the Toilet.

That is cold!

Freezing! After nearly

two hours of freezing conditions, we

finally make it to daylight and it

is the teamwork of this group of

mums that has helped see us through.

Natural miners we are not but we

gave it a good go.

Four down, one to

go.

APPLAUSE

They have got a good team spirit

now! Good to see them smiling.

Tomorrow the Mother Of All

Challenges draws to a close with the

small matter of a marathon standing

between them and the finish line.

They are going to finish sometime

after 5pm at Castle swept in Swansea

so get down there and it would be

much appreciated.

-- Castle Square.

All of their donation go to Sport

Relief and their work in the UK and

in some of the poorest countries in

the world.

Good luck to Alex and all

of the mums. Just one more day to

go. A big thank you to Debbie and

graphs. You can see Pilgrimage: The

Road To Santiago tomorrow night at

9pm on BBC Two. -- Debbie and

graphs.

I'll be back tomorrow

with Matt Allwright.

Very excited about our guest.

He's coming from galaxy far,

far away to sit right

here on our green sofa.

It's John Boyega.

Tonight.

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