Matt and Angellica are joined by Debbie McGee and Raphael Rowe to talk about Pilgrimage: The Road to Santiago, plus Alex continues on the Sport Relief Mother of All Challenges.
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Hello and welcome to
The One Show, with Matt Baker.
And Angellica Bell.
Later on, we'll be seeing how
Alex and the team fared
on the penultimate day
of The Mother Of All Challenges,
as they took on Snowdonia's
treacherous Porth Yr Ogof cave.
But first tonight's guest,
who recently completed the epic
Camino de Santiago Pilgrimage
for a new BBC series.
As she's clearly such a fan
of walking, we figured we'd ask her
to make her own way here tonight.
Surely go for it?
Yes. As soon as I
start walking up these hills I am in
agony. We are on the way home,
folks. 30,630 steps I have taken
We made it.
It's Debbie McGee!
Debbie! You stopped at the shops on
the way here. Nice to see you.
guessing you didn't walk up on
Of course I did!
They were completely covered
in blisters. Blisters on blisters on
blisters. You know when your blister
comes off and it is raw? That is
what I was like. Lovely to meet you.
I didn't get to meet you on
A book coming out and
everything, I tell you!
We'll be joined by one
of your walking companions -
The One Show's own Raphael Rowe
- later on.
He is not as quick at walking as you
are so that is why he is slightly
He is on his roller-skates
At the end of last year,
one show viewer Karen Anvil made
the front pages of papers around
the world, thanks to this picture
of William, Kate, Harry and Meghan.
I love this picture.
They are all
looking at Karen.
Does Karen have a future
as a royal photographer?
Or was that just one lucky click?
We sent her to
Birmingham to find out.
Karen Allen Phil from Norfolk is on
a royal mission. She is trying to
recreate this photograph which made
headlines around the world.
my phone and then got dizzy of
history can repeat itself.
Christmas, Karen and her daughter
Rachel joined the crowds outside
church in Sandringham to get it in
so Prince Harry's bride-to-be,
My aim wasn't to take
photos that day. I was joining in
with the hundreds of other people
who had phones out.
Karen took just
I looked at him and I
thought, that's really good. I
didn't think I would put it on
Twitter. To all of my 11 followers.
She also posted on the BBC Twitter
page. Before she knew it, her
picture had 80,000 likes and media
organisations around the world were
asking for a copy.
Just one snap
made more than £10,000. That is like
a lottery win. It has changed our
life for the better.
Was this a
lucky one off or can she do it
again? With Prince Harry and his
fiancee due to visit tomorrow, we
are pitting Karen against Suzanne
Plunkett, renowned Royal
photographer, to see who can get
their snapshot published.
I am ready
case at the joint. This kind of
reminds me like a gig. Like you are
about to see a rock band.
thinks she has found the perfect
They're getting dropped off
here, then they will start here. So
I think, this corner of this pen is
But as the sun goes down,
the reality of it all sets in.
is a lot of pressure but tomorrow it
will be just me and my phone against
all these professional
photographers. I don't have much
hope I'm going to get the snap of
the day tomorrow.
As her opponent,
Suzanne, she has more than 20 years
experience capturing big moments
such as Kate and William's wedding,
and the breadth of Prince George.
She has agreed to give Karen some
Making eye contact can help.
You will be using your mobile. You
will be tapping away as you are
trying to get her attention.
I mention the photo?
Tomorrow we are against each other.
Do you feel any pressure?
At first I
thought no, but now, I don't know. I
don't want to miss out to a mobile
It's on. 7am, Karen is the
first to arrive and grabs her place.
Right, this is good. And this is my
home. For the next three and a half
Suzanne is also looking out
for a good spot.
I am not going to
get a shot if I am behind her.
don't know what Suzanne is doing but
I have that feeling that she is
waiting to see what I do before she
then makes her move.
But Suzanne has
a secret weapon. Her trusty pink
Look! She has got gloves on.
She is a pro.
Now they just have to
And it's not long before the crowds
and paparazzi muscle in on their
territory. After four hours in the
rain and cold, Prince Harry and
Megan finally arrived. The battle
commences. For a Karen, things don't
start well. The royal couple walked
I missed my
She has to act fast.
Getting a good shot is tricky among
these crowds so she tries her plan
to get Prince Harry's attention.
I ask you a question? I took a photo
of you at Christmas and I was
wondering if you liked it.
Made the front pages.
hope you made lots of money out of
It did. You saved my life.
Karen continues to snap away
and get some half decent shots.
Suzanne has managed to get some good
pictures as well. Now the race is on
to applaud their images to see whose
picture is picked up by the press.
So who did get their
I have the result here. There is the
winning shot. Who took it?
This was the winning shot.
That joke of a picture was the
Are you pleased?
pleased I got to meet Prince Harry
and he knew I was not a money
grabber making money off the photo.
That is what I wanted. Because
Suzanne is the best photographer.
Her photos were amazing.
more of an article about you and the
fact you got another shot on the
back of the one you got before. What
did you take away from what he
actually said to you?
Relief. I felt
fantastic. That is what I wanted.
When I was being asked, do you want
another shot? I knew it was pure
luck. It has changed my life and my
daughters. -- daughter's. I feel
silly, but Prince Harry, that is so
cool for him to say, I hope you made
a lot of money. It was kind of like
the nod. He knew it was a lucky
You went there to see the
Because of my daughter!
Isn't she gorgeous? I even
said to her that morning, are you
absolutely sure? She said she wanted
to see Megan. So we went.
started making money from this
photo. The idea was to put money
into Rachel's education. What is the
I have done other stuff
for a Rachel now through that. She
has been so lucky she has got an
apprenticeship at our local
hospital, working in cancer services
on our Macmillan unit. She has done
really well. She will be working her
way up on the inside. This is a
start for her. Which is brilliant.
Fantastic. It is driving lessons,
cars, safe cars. That is what I
Good stuff. Good picture,
you met Harry and you got plenty of
money from it. Earlier we sent you
on a The One Show challenge.
Can I have a shot for the The One
Show? BEEP. I'm going to take you
down. I will take you down to
I will use a garden
hose. An actual garden hose.
That is hilarious.
to point out that was a gag.
never uses language like that at
be checking in on Alex later. First,
earlier this year Alex and two of
the team visited Nairobi to see your
money in action.
Nairobi, Kenya. It can be hard to be
disabled anywhere in the world. But
in the sprawling city life, being a
disabled child can be especially
tough. There is still a lot of
stigma around disability teacher and
children with disabilities often
don't get the chance to have an
education, to play sport or even do
things that you and I take for
granted. Debbie and Amal are off to
see how disabled children are coping
in Nairobi. Debbie found out her
daughter may have cerebral palsy
just a few days after she was born.
During pregnancy you must put
yourself in a bubble that you have a
perfect baby. Then when it is not
OK, there is a disbelief, there is a
guilt. And then there is fear. What
is this child's future going to be?
Jeff is eight years old and
disabled. His mother is a widow and
has found it difficult to look after
her son alone.
Shortly after Jeff was
born he looked unwell. I was worried
and took him to the hospital. Then
for five days, he went into a coma.
After eight months he couldn't sit
up and was just lying down. The
doctors could not say what was wrong
with him. He had a disability and I
had to do my best to look after him.
I cannot leave him alone with
anyone. Everywhere I go I have to
carry on. It becomes very stressful.
He is very heavy. Sometimes Jeff is
not able to communicate what he
wants, and he is crying. It is so
frustrating. I cry with him.
else was difficult about having a
The biggest challenge
is stigma, being looked at like you
did something wrong.
I have come away with a real sense
of how much support she lacked for
at least six years of Jeff's life.
Bringing up a child with challenges.
There is a project funded through
sport relief donations, the active
network for the disabled that
assists children like Jeff. It helps
children improve their movement and
prepares them for a possible future
in mainstream education. Alfred is
one of the support workers at this
How has Jeff changed since he has
been taking part in the project?
He could not walk, he could not
crawl, you could not even speak. But
since getting involved in sports,
the children are pushing him to
move, to go for the ball. At long
last he can now crawl. With time he
will stand and he will walk.
Look at Jeff on his feet. It is
just lovely. It is showing there is
so much ability there.
It is really
inclusive. The other kids are
The project supports parents as well
as children. Ruth's daughter found
it difficult to communicate or war
before she came here. What was your
experience of other people's
reactions to you having a disabled
daughter? They say it is a curse?
Look how well this beautiful little
girl is doing. She is walking. She
is starting to talk.
She is saying mum.
That is beautiful.
Before coming to this
group I felt alone but when I came
here there were other people going
through the same problems. I can
feel the stress of life going away
because I can talk with other
It is so, so important.
Being involved in a project like
this means that Jeff is more mobile
and less dependent on his mother.
Your donations will help to pay for
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like the one we have seen today.
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From one epic journey to another.
Raph's with us now, because you two
have been spending quite a bit
of time together lately!
Let's talk about Pilgrimage:
The Road to Santiago.
Tell us about it.
It has an epic
journey as you said starting in
Biarritz in France and walking
across the Pyrenees which I think
was the most challenging part of the
journey. It was baking hot and
really difficult because all we had
was our rucksacks and everything in
You carry your own kit?
not take anything else, we had to
leave all the luxuries at home and
do this epic journey. You can walk
ten kilometres a day and it is very
difficult and although it was
physically challenging it was a
The route is
around 500 miles?
It is more than
that, it is 800 kilometres. We could
not walk all of it because we did
not have enough time, most people
take six weeks.
What is it about
this route? 250,000 people do it.
People did it thousands of years ago
as a pilgrimage, a way to get closer
to St James, that is the end result,
Santiago de Compostela was the
We did it like they did in
the medieval times, staying in the
Did you expect
No! You know me -- the most
grotty places. There were seven of
us in all.
There is your crew.
Byrne kept us laughing most the and
Neil. JJ Chalmers was lovely, who
presents the Invictus Games and
things, and Heather Small, she sang
on a couple of occasions. And Kate,
the Reverend Kate, she could be a
I think she found
it the toughest, not because she
could not physically do it about I
think she did not expect it to take
so long and for it to be all about
walking. I think she found it quite
challenging, as we all did.
But what made it
was we all got on so well and the
Camino is a special place because
you're miles away from any work up
in the mountains and you meet a lot
of interesting people.
A big part of
the programme is the conversations
you have together and also the
people you meet and we have a little
clip of you talking to a gentleman
and his motivation.
My dad that the
walk but yet to get an emergency
flight home. We found out he had
cancer. And I lost him a week before
Christmas. I've got his pilgrim
passport from 2014. I'm collecting
his stamps just trying to get a bit
of comfort to fulfil what he wanted
We could see what that meant
to you having that conversation and
what you have been through
It is just a clip and you
don't get a whole conversation but
I'm sure you will on the programme.
It just touched me. My grief was so
raw because we filmed this last
June, just before I started Strictly
and his grief was very raw and it
was just that moment... He was a
very special boy. The relationship
he had had with his father, walking
in his dad's boots and things. It
was a very special moment in the
Did it come at a good time for
you, this? Was that one of the
reasons you wanted to do it?
just something I would never do and
because they said so many people get
enlightened by it, and I'm not
religious, but I was brought up
Catholic, I thought I might get
something spiritual out of it.
Actually what I got was the
camaraderie. The seventh of us got
on so well, we were like a family
and we have stayed in touch -- the
seven of us. Raph has been almost
around the world since, Neil loves
sending us pictures of him on a
beach! But we all got something out
of doing the walk. It is special. We
did it as they did years ago, and if
you don't have much of a budget, you
can stay in the hostels we stayed in
and we survived and if I can't
survive in them, anybody can! That
was the hardest thing, our
rucksacks. He walked behind me
holding it up! But that was the
hardest thing. But people have their
rucksacks sent on to modern hotels
now. They end up at a hotel with the
Like you said this is
not just a show about religion and
faith. Raph, you are an atheist and
you say that on the programme.
described myself as a ignorantist
and by that I mean I know nothing
about religion. I hoped to discover
more about religion and spirituality
and peoples faces. And talking to
the team I was with I knew nothing
about humanists before and I learned
more towards that -- and people's
faiths. People of all ages walks the
walk, like the kid we met who walked
in his dad's shoes, you will it
means more people that you could
imagine. I did not discover anything
new about religion but it reinforced
my thoughts about religion and one
of the most interesting things was
the grown-up conversations we as a
group had about religion and what we
thought about it and other people
thought about it. And why people
like Kate, who is a priest, believe
in God or a faith so strongly and
what drives them. I was driven by
something completely different. When
you were struggling and it was a
tough journey, you could find
something in yourself to carry on
getting through which was really
And you have touched on the
hostel site of this bit you
struggled in one which had a single
bed with Barzan and that was a good
reason, because you were wrongly
convicted of murder and spent 12
years in jail.
In a jail cell in a
single bed, and when I was released,
I vowed to myself I would never
sleep in a single bed again. Lo and
behold, on the very first day, in
the first hostel, what do you have?
A single bed and a window with bars
so that was a very tough night for
me. One of the biggest turnarounds
in my thought process in coping with
sleeping -- was coping in sleeping
in a single bed.
It is all in the
programme am Pilgrimage: The Road To
Santiago which starts tomorrow night
at 9pm on BBC Two. It is time to see
how Alex and her band of months I
been getting on on the penultimate
day of the mother of all challenge.
Today they are in Snowdonia. And my
We have already paddled, climbed and
swam but today it is all about
keeping it together mentally. Our
task is to go into the depths of the
Porth Yr Ogof cake in the Brecon
Beacons, as it of -- interconnected
caves one and a half miles long with
a river running through it.
taking us into places called the
letterbox and the washing machine!
lack of air and a lack of space!
too problematic! I am going to
channel my inner miner.
almost 100% psychological.
sure how I'm going to react to the
What if I panic? I
can't get out and out and I can't go
down and out.
I hope I'm not the one
who starts freaking out.
But on the
lamp and I'll be fine! After the
safety briefing we are ready.
But the entrance of the case isn't
what we quite expected.
That is my
How are we feeling?
To be honest, we were all
a little bit apprehensive, even more
so when we were told we had to
abseil to the bottom but this team
of mums looks after each other.
We'll be fine when we are in there.
The chatter is not quite as lively,
they are starting to realise that
this is a real challenge.
It is a
long way down.
I nearly had a panic
attack halfway down.
We take it one
step at a time.
I thought was going
to burst into tears and I don't do
It is a great sense of relief
to have firm ground under our feet
again. I knew it was going to be all
right because I saw you do it. When
we walked in and we got an idea of
how big it actually is. But our
sightseeing comes to a halt as we
are told we have a set of
claustrophobic challenges to go
through. The first is called the
The going straight through
this hole, we will crawl in...
you pack the fairy liquid?!
This sofa is definitely not as
comfortable as the one on the One
I don't like tight places, the
fact that I can't stand up.
Following the instructions of the
guides, where else could we go next
but the Letterbox.
It is the
It's a bit of a
squeeze. But there was a nice water
slide at the end.
amazing, really inspirational, it's
Fear has given way to
giggles! I can't believe we got
As a team it makes it
easier. You can see the fun in it
and pushing each other through the
holes, that is the key. Having
already climbed a mountain earlier
in the week, we did not think we
would have to face any more ledges.
We were wrong.
Behind me is an area
called the Ledge of Death, if you go
too far to the right there is a
chance you can drop off the edge.
Steadily we crawl across the ledge.
You cannot put a foot wrong.
such a burn on the other body
pulling yourself along.
And if that
was not enough, on the way out we go
through what is called the Toilet.
That is cold!
Freezing! After nearly
two hours of freezing conditions, we
finally make it to daylight and it
is the teamwork of this group of
mums that has helped see us through.
Natural miners we are not but we
gave it a good go.
Four down, one to
They have got a good team spirit
now! Good to see them smiling.
Tomorrow the Mother Of All
Challenges draws to a close with the
small matter of a marathon standing
between them and the finish line.
They are going to finish sometime
after 5pm at Castle swept in Swansea
so get down there and it would be
-- Castle Square.
All of their donation go to Sport
Relief and their work in the UK and
in some of the poorest countries in
Good luck to Alex and all
of the mums. Just one more day to
go. A big thank you to Debbie and
graphs. You can see Pilgrimage: The
Road To Santiago tomorrow night at
9pm on BBC Two. -- Debbie and
I'll be back tomorrow
with Matt Allwright.
Very excited about our guest.
He's coming from galaxy far,
far away to sit right
here on our green sofa.
It's John Boyega.
Matt Baker and Angellica Bell are joined by Debbie McGee and Raphael Rowe to talk about their latest project, Pilgrimage: The Road to Santiago. Alex Jones and her band of brave mums continue on the Sport Relief Mother of All Challenges. Plus Karen Anvil, whose amateur photo of the four young royals sold around the world last Christmas, tries to recreate her success when Meghan and Harry visit Birmingham.