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15/03/2018

Matt and Angellica are joined by Debbie McGee and Raphael Rowe to talk about Pilgrimage: The Road to Santiago, plus Alex continues on the Sport Relief Mother of All Challenges.


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Hello and welcome to

The One Show, with Matt Baker.

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And Angellica Bell.

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Later on, we'll be seeing how

Alex and the team fared

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on the penultimate day

of The Mother Of All Challenges,

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as they took on Snowdonia's

treacherous Porth Yr Ogof cave.

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But first tonight's guest,

who recently completed the epic

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Camino de Santiago Pilgrimage

for a new BBC series.

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As she's clearly such a fan

of walking, we figured we'd ask her

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to make her own way here tonight.

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Surely go for it?

Yes. As soon as I

start walking up these hills I am in

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agony. We are on the way home,

folks. 30,630 steps I have taken

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today.

We made it.

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It's Debbie McGee!

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Debbie! You stopped at the shops on

the way here. Nice to see you.

I'm

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guessing you didn't walk up on

those?

Of course I did!

How your

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feet?

They were completely covered

in blisters. Blisters on blisters on

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blisters. You know when your blister

comes off and it is raw? That is

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what I was like. Lovely to meet you.

I didn't get to meet you on

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Masterchef.

A book coming out and

everything, I tell you!

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We'll be joined by one

of your walking companions -

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The One Show's own Raphael Rowe

- later on.

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He is not as quick at walking as you

are so that is why he is slightly

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late.

He is on his roller-skates

tonight.

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At the end of last year,

one show viewer Karen Anvil made

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the front pages of papers around

the world, thanks to this picture

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of William, Kate, Harry and Meghan.

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I love this picture.

They are all

looking at Karen.

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Does Karen have a future

as a royal photographer?

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Or was that just one lucky click?

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We sent her to

Birmingham to find out.

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Karen Allen Phil from Norfolk is on

a royal mission. She is trying to

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recreate this photograph which made

headlines around the world.

I've got

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my phone and then got dizzy of

history can repeat itself.

Last

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Christmas, Karen and her daughter

Rachel joined the crowds outside

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church in Sandringham to get it in

so Prince Harry's bride-to-be,

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Meghan Markle.

My aim wasn't to take

photos that day. I was joining in

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with the hundreds of other people

who had phones out.

Karen took just

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one picture.

I looked at him and I

thought, that's really good. I

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didn't think I would put it on

Twitter. To all of my 11 followers.

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She also posted on the BBC Twitter

page. Before she knew it, her

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picture had 80,000 likes and media

organisations around the world were

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asking for a copy.

Just one snap

made more than £10,000. That is like

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a lottery win. It has changed our

life for the better.

Was this a

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lucky one off or can she do it

again? With Prince Harry and his

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fiancee due to visit tomorrow, we

are pitting Karen against Suzanne

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Plunkett, renowned Royal

photographer, to see who can get

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their snapshot published.

I am ready

case at the joint. This kind of

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reminds me like a gig. Like you are

about to see a rock band.

Karen

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thinks she has found the perfect

spot.

They're getting dropped off

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here, then they will start here. So

I think, this corner of this pen is

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my goal.

But as the sun goes down,

the reality of it all sets in.

There

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is a lot of pressure but tomorrow it

will be just me and my phone against

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all these professional

photographers. I don't have much

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hope I'm going to get the snap of

the day tomorrow.

As her opponent,

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Suzanne, she has more than 20 years

experience capturing big moments

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such as Kate and William's wedding,

and the breadth of Prince George.

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She has agreed to give Karen some

tips.

Making eye contact can help.

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You will be using your mobile. You

will be tapping away as you are

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trying to get her attention.

Should

I mention the photo?

Why not?

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Tomorrow we are against each other.

Do you feel any pressure?

At first I

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thought no, but now, I don't know. I

don't want to miss out to a mobile

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phone!

It's on. 7am, Karen is the

first to arrive and grabs her place.

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Right, this is good. And this is my

home. For the next three and a half

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hours.

Suzanne is also looking out

for a good spot.

I am not going to

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get a shot if I am behind her.

I

don't know what Suzanne is doing but

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I have that feeling that she is

waiting to see what I do before she

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then makes her move.

But Suzanne has

a secret weapon. Her trusty pink

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steps.

Look! She has got gloves on.

She is a pro.

Now they just have to

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wait.

And it's not long before the crowds

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and paparazzi muscle in on their

territory. After four hours in the

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rain and cold, Prince Harry and

Megan finally arrived. The battle

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commences. For a Karen, things don't

start well. The royal couple walked

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straight past.

I missed my

opportunity.

She has to act fast.

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Getting a good shot is tricky among

these crowds so she tries her plan

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to get Prince Harry's attention.

Can

I ask you a question? I took a photo

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of you at Christmas and I was

wondering if you liked it.

Which one

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was that?

Made the front pages.

I

hope you made lots of money out of

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it.

It did. You saved my life.

Thanks.

Karen continues to snap away

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and get some half decent shots.

Suzanne has managed to get some good

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pictures as well. Now the race is on

to applaud their images to see whose

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picture is picked up by the press.

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So who did get their

picture published?

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I have the result here. There is the

winning shot. Who took it?

It is

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Karen!

This was the winning shot.

That joke of a picture was the

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winning shot!

Are you pleased?

I am

pleased I got to meet Prince Harry

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and he knew I was not a money

grabber making money off the photo.

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That is what I wanted. Because

Suzanne is the best photographer.

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Her photos were amazing.

This was

more of an article about you and the

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fact you got another shot on the

back of the one you got before. What

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did you take away from what he

actually said to you?

Relief. I felt

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fantastic. That is what I wanted.

When I was being asked, do you want

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another shot? I knew it was pure

luck. It has changed my life and my

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daughters. -- daughter's. I feel

silly, but Prince Harry, that is so

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cool for him to say, I hope you made

a lot of money. It was kind of like

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the nod. He knew it was a lucky

thing.

You went there to see the

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Royals.

Because of my daughter!

Hi,

Rachel.

Isn't she gorgeous? I even

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said to her that morning, are you

absolutely sure? She said she wanted

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to see Megan. So we went.

Veigneau

started making money from this

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photo. The idea was to put money

into Rachel's education. What is the

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situation?

I have done other stuff

for a Rachel now through that. She

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has been so lucky she has got an

apprenticeship at our local

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hospital, working in cancer services

on our Macmillan unit. She has done

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really well. She will be working her

way up on the inside. This is a

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start for her. Which is brilliant.

Fantastic. It is driving lessons,

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cars, safe cars. That is what I

wanted.

Good stuff. Good picture,

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you met Harry and you got plenty of

money from it. Earlier we sent you

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on a The One Show challenge.

Can I have a shot for the The One

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Show? BEEP. I'm going to take you

down. I will take you down to

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Chinatown. BEEP.

I will use a garden

hose. An actual garden hose.

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APPLAUSE.

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APPLAUSE.

That is hilarious.

We need

to point out that was a gag.

Debbie

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never uses language like that at

all!

Well done.

Thank you.

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all!

Well done.

Thank you.

We will

be checking in on Alex later. First,

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earlier this year Alex and two of

the team visited Nairobi to see your

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money in action.

Nairobi, Kenya. It can be hard to be

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disabled anywhere in the world. But

in the sprawling city life, being a

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disabled child can be especially

tough. There is still a lot of

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stigma around disability teacher and

children with disabilities often

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don't get the chance to have an

education, to play sport or even do

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things that you and I take for

granted. Debbie and Amal are off to

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see how disabled children are coping

in Nairobi. Debbie found out her

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daughter may have cerebral palsy

just a few days after she was born.

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During pregnancy you must put

yourself in a bubble that you have a

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perfect baby. Then when it is not

OK, there is a disbelief, there is a

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guilt. And then there is fear. What

is this child's future going to be?

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High!

Jeff is eight years old and

disabled. His mother is a widow and

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has found it difficult to look after

her son alone.

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TRANSLATION:

Shortly after Jeff was

born he looked unwell. I was worried

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and took him to the hospital. Then

for five days, he went into a coma.

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After eight months he couldn't sit

up and was just lying down. The

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doctors could not say what was wrong

with him. He had a disability and I

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had to do my best to look after him.

I cannot leave him alone with

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anyone. Everywhere I go I have to

carry on. It becomes very stressful.

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He is very heavy. Sometimes Jeff is

not able to communicate what he

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wants, and he is crying. It is so

frustrating. I cry with him.

What

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else was difficult about having a

disabled child?

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TRANSLATION:

The biggest challenge

is stigma, being looked at like you

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did something wrong.

I have come away with a real sense

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of how much support she lacked for

at least six years of Jeff's life.

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Bringing up a child with challenges.

There is a project funded through

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sport relief donations, the active

network for the disabled that

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assists children like Jeff. It helps

children improve their movement and

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prepares them for a possible future

in mainstream education. Alfred is

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one of the support workers at this

project.

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How has Jeff changed since he has

been taking part in the project?

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He could not walk, he could not

crawl, you could not even speak. But

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since getting involved in sports,

the children are pushing him to

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move, to go for the ball. At long

last he can now crawl. With time he

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will stand and he will walk.

Yes!

Look at Jeff on his feet. It is

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just lovely. It is showing there is

so much ability there.

It is really

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inclusive. The other kids are

getting involved.

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The project supports parents as well

as children. Ruth's daughter found

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it difficult to communicate or war

before she came here. What was your

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experience of other people's

reactions to you having a disabled

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daughter?

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daughter? They say it is a curse?

Look how well this beautiful little

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girl is doing. She is walking. She

is starting to talk.

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She is saying mum.

That is beautiful.

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TRANSLATION:

Before coming to this

group I felt alone but when I came

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here there were other people going

through the same problems. I can

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feel the stress of life going away

because I can talk with other

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parents.

It is so, so important.

Being involved in a project like

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this means that Jeff is more mobile

and less dependent on his mother.

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Your donations will help to pay for

a sporting coach to run sessions

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like the one we have seen today.

Give generously, give as much as you

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can. Thank you.

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To support the Mother

of All Challenges and make

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a donation to Sport Relief,

you can donate £5 by texting

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the word MUM to 70205.

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To donate £10, text

the word MUM to 70210.

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Debbie

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Debbie, can you do £20?

Sure.

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And to donate £20, text

the word MUM to 70220.

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Texts will cost your donation

plus your standard network message

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charge and all of your donation

will go to Sport Relief.

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You must be 16 or over and please

ask the bill payer's permission.

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For full terms and conditions,

or to donate any amount online,

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go to bbc.co.uk/sportrelief.

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Please keep donating because every

penny makes a huge difference.

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From one epic journey to another.

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Welcome.

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Raph's with us now, because you two

have been spending quite a bit

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of time together lately!

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Let's talk about Pilgrimage:

The Road to Santiago.

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Tell us about it.

It has an epic

journey as you said starting in

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Biarritz in France and walking

across the Pyrenees which I think

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was the most challenging part of the

journey. It was baking hot and

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really difficult because all we had

was our rucksacks and everything in

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them.

You carry your own kit?

We did

not take anything else, we had to

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leave all the luxuries at home and

do this epic journey. You can walk

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ten kilometres a day and it is very

difficult and although it was

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physically challenging it was a

pleasurable pain.

The route is

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around 500 miles?

It is more than

that, it is 800 kilometres. We could

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not walk all of it because we did

not have enough time, most people

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take six weeks.

What is it about

this route? 250,000 people do it.

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People did it thousands of years ago

as a pilgrimage, a way to get closer

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to St James, that is the end result,

Santiago de Compostela was the

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journey.

We did it like they did in

the medieval times, staying in the

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craftiest places!

Did you expect

that?

No! You know me -- the most

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grotty places. There were seven of

us in all.

There is your crew.

Ed

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Byrne kept us laughing most the and

Neil. JJ Chalmers was lovely, who

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presents the Invictus Games and

things, and Heather Small, she sang

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on a couple of occasions. And Kate,

the Reverend Kate, she could be a

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stand-up comedian!

I think she found

it the toughest, not because she

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could not physically do it about I

think she did not expect it to take

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so long and for it to be all about

walking. I think she found it quite

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challenging, as we all did.

It was

hard.

Very hard.

But what made it

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was we all got on so well and the

Camino is a special place because

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you're miles away from any work up

in the mountains and you meet a lot

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of interesting people.

A big part of

the programme is the conversations

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you have together and also the

people you meet and we have a little

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clip of you talking to a gentleman

and his motivation.

My dad that the

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walk but yet to get an emergency

flight home. We found out he had

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cancer. And I lost him a week before

Christmas. I've got his pilgrim

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passport from 2014. I'm collecting

his stamps just trying to get a bit

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of comfort to fulfil what he wanted

to do.

We could see what that meant

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to you having that conversation and

what you have been through

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obviously.

It is just a clip and you

don't get a whole conversation but

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I'm sure you will on the programme.

It just touched me. My grief was so

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raw because we filmed this last

June, just before I started Strictly

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and his grief was very raw and it

was just that moment... He was a

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very special boy. The relationship

he had had with his father, walking

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in his dad's boots and things. It

was a very special moment in the

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trip.

Did it come at a good time for

you, this? Was that one of the

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reasons you wanted to do it?

It was

just something I would never do and

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because they said so many people get

enlightened by it, and I'm not

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religious, but I was brought up

Catholic, I thought I might get

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something spiritual out of it.

Actually what I got was the

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camaraderie. The seventh of us got

on so well, we were like a family

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and we have stayed in touch -- the

seven of us. Raph has been almost

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around the world since, Neil loves

sending us pictures of him on a

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beach! But we all got something out

of doing the walk. It is special. We

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did it as they did years ago, and if

you don't have much of a budget, you

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can stay in the hostels we stayed in

and we survived and if I can't

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survive in them, anybody can! That

was the hardest thing, our

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rucksacks. He walked behind me

holding it up! But that was the

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hardest thing. But people have their

rucksacks sent on to modern hotels

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now. They end up at a hotel with the

luggage there.

Like you said this is

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not just a show about religion and

faith. Raph, you are an atheist and

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you say that on the programme.

I

described myself as a ignorantist

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and by that I mean I know nothing

about religion. I hoped to discover

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more about religion and spirituality

and peoples faces. And talking to

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the team I was with I knew nothing

about humanists before and I learned

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more towards that -- and people's

faiths. People of all ages walks the

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walk, like the kid we met who walked

in his dad's shoes, you will it

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means more people that you could

imagine. I did not discover anything

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new about religion but it reinforced

my thoughts about religion and one

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of the most interesting things was

the grown-up conversations we as a

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group had about religion and what we

thought about it and other people

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thought about it. And why people

like Kate, who is a priest, believe

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in God or a faith so strongly and

what drives them. I was driven by

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something completely different. When

you were struggling and it was a

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tough journey, you could find

something in yourself to carry on

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getting through which was really

hard.

And you have touched on the

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hostel site of this bit you

struggled in one which had a single

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bed with Barzan and that was a good

reason, because you were wrongly

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convicted of murder and spent 12

years in jail.

In a jail cell in a

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single bed, and when I was released,

I vowed to myself I would never

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sleep in a single bed again. Lo and

behold, on the very first day, in

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the first hostel, what do you have?

A single bed and a window with bars

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so that was a very tough night for

me. One of the biggest turnarounds

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in my thought process in coping with

sleeping -- was coping in sleeping

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in a single bed.

It is all in the

programme am Pilgrimage: The Road To

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Santiago which starts tomorrow night

at 9pm on BBC Two. It is time to see

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how Alex and her band of months I

been getting on on the penultimate

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day of the mother of all challenge.

Today they are in Snowdonia. And my

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word,

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We have already paddled, climbed and

swam but today it is all about

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keeping it together mentally. Our

task is to go into the depths of the

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Porth Yr Ogof cake in the Brecon

Beacons, as it of -- interconnected

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caves one and a half miles long with

a river running through it.

They are

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taking us into places called the

letterbox and the washing machine!

A

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lack of air and a lack of space!

Not

too problematic! I am going to

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channel my inner miner.

Today is

almost 100% psychological.

I'm not

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sure how I'm going to react to the

confined spaces.

What if I panic? I

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can't get out and out and I can't go

down and out.

I hope I'm not the one

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who starts freaking out.

But on the

lamp and I'll be fine! After the

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safety briefing we are ready.

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But the entrance of the case isn't

what we quite expected.

That is my

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worst nightmare.

How are we feeling?

Petrified.

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Petrified.

To be honest, we were all

a little bit apprehensive, even more

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so when we were told we had to

abseil to the bottom but this team

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of mums looks after each other.

We'll be fine when we are in there.

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The chatter is not quite as lively,

they are starting to realise that

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this is a real challenge.

It is a

long way down.

I nearly had a panic

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attack halfway down.

We take it one

step at a time.

I thought was going

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to burst into tears and I don't do

that.

It is a great sense of relief

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to have firm ground under our feet

again. I knew it was going to be all

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right because I saw you do it. When

we walked in and we got an idea of

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how big it actually is. But our

sightseeing comes to a halt as we

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are told we have a set of

claustrophobic challenges to go

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through. The first is called the

Sofa.

The going straight through

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this hole, we will crawl in...

Did

you pack the fairy liquid?!

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This sofa is definitely not as

comfortable as the one on the One

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Show.

I don't like tight places, the

fact that I can't stand up.

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Following the instructions of the

guides, where else could we go next

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but the Letterbox.

It is the

smallest hole.

It's a bit of a

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squeeze. But there was a nice water

slide at the end.

They're doing

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amazing, really inspirational, it's

fantastic.

Fear has given way to

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giggles! I can't believe we got

through it!

As a team it makes it

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easier. You can see the fun in it

and pushing each other through the

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holes, that is the key. Having

already climbed a mountain earlier

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in the week, we did not think we

would have to face any more ledges.

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We were wrong.

Behind me is an area

called the Ledge of Death, if you go

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too far to the right there is a

chance you can drop off the edge.

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Steadily we crawl across the ledge.

You cannot put a foot wrong.

It is

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such a burn on the other body

pulling yourself along.

And if that

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was not enough, on the way out we go

through what is called the Toilet.

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That is cold!

Freezing! After nearly

two hours of freezing conditions, we

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finally make it to daylight and it

is the teamwork of this group of

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mums that has helped see us through.

Natural miners we are not but we

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gave it a good go.

Four down, one to

go.

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APPLAUSE

They have got a good team spirit

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now! Good to see them smiling.

Tomorrow the Mother Of All

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Challenges draws to a close with the

small matter of a marathon standing

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between them and the finish line.

They are going to finish sometime

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after 5pm at Castle swept in Swansea

so get down there and it would be

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much appreciated.

-- Castle Square.

All of their donation go to Sport

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Relief and their work in the UK and

in some of the poorest countries in

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the world.

Good luck to Alex and all

of the mums. Just one more day to

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go. A big thank you to Debbie and

graphs. You can see Pilgrimage: The

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Road To Santiago tomorrow night at

9pm on BBC Two. -- Debbie and

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graphs.

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I'll be back tomorrow

with Matt Allwright.

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Very excited about our guest.

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He's coming from galaxy far,

far away to sit right

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here on our green sofa.

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It's John Boyega.

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Tonight.

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--

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Matt Baker and Angellica Bell are joined by Debbie McGee and Raphael Rowe to talk about their latest project, Pilgrimage: The Road to Santiago. Alex Jones and her band of brave mums continue on the Sport Relief Mother of All Challenges. Plus Karen Anvil, whose amateur photo of the four young royals sold around the world last Christmas, tries to recreate her success when Meghan and Harry visit Birmingham.