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Hello and welcome to the One Show and Gabby Logan. And Matt Baker, and

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tonight's guest is not just a rock and roll legend, he is a force of

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nature. A member of the biggest rock and roll band in the world, still

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playing to sell-out crowds. He is an internationally renowned artist

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still producing work at a prolific rate. Ease a dad and six,

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grandfather of six, and he's just celebrated his 70th birthday. It is

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of course Ronnie Wood! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Well, hello! And in your 70th year, I imagine that was a big party.

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Yeah, it was. LAUGHTER

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A bit of a cloud at the time for me, because I was still under

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anaesthetic, but I am here to talk about it. Was it as wild as those

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parties back in the day? There were some people I had not seen for

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years, it was a surprise body, really nice. And of all the places

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you have been, what kind of presence came your way that day? Wow, that is

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a good question, because I think I left most of them there! Debbie! I

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am coming back for those presents! My son Tyrone knows I collect

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walking sticks, a little bit more pungent, another state for you, dad!

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Is that for your country walks? It is a beautiful Dick, actually,

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silver and maple. Anyway, I got some really interesting presence, but I

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won't go into that right now! I am sure you got loads of lovely paints,

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because you are here to talk about your wonderful artwork. And you are

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not the only musical legend we are celebrating tonight, 40 years ago

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today we lost the King, others Pressley. We will be talking about

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your book later. You also be just some of the set lists that you do

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for the Stones, and you have done one for tonight! Tell us what is

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coming up next right, I think the next category is naming and shaming,

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it remains to be seen. We will pop that therefore now, because earlier

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this year we revealed how Debenhams was paying some of its workers less

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than the national minimum wage, putting it right at the top of the

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Government's name and shame list. Now another high street favourite

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has been found selling its staff short.

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First it was Debenhams, named and shamed as the worst offender for

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failing to pay nearly 12,000 workers the national minimum wage. Well,

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Debenhams may have cleaned up its act, but six months on, the

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Government has brought out a new list of minimum wage offenders. And

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the news from the high street still isn't very good. This time, 233

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employees across the UK have been outed for not paying the national

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minimum wage, and the One Show can now exclusively reveal that it is

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retail giants Argos who are top of the list. The catalogue store and

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are paid just over 12,000 members of staff, a staggering 1.5 million,

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between 2012 and 2016. -- underpaid. It is the biggest and the payment

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since the Government started naming and shaming in 2013. They have had

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to pay every penny back to its workers, on top of a 1.4 million

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fine from HMRC. But is it enough to stop it happening again? The purpose

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of naming and shaming is to force businesses to publicly put their

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houses in order, but it only works, of course, if Argos customers give a

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monkey's. So do they? Would you still shop there if you knew that

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Argos were not meeting their obligations on the minimum wage? No!

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Over that is quite astounding. I wouldn't stop there if it was a

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problem. The way it has been done, the low-paid, it is a big deal. It

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is something the unions feel strongly about. Matt Striker from

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Unite says age and never happen. It is disgusting, when I find out there

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has been a failure to pay out, large companies failing to pay the minimum

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wage, yet they don't fail to pay the CEO, the main directors,

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astronomical wages. It is people living on the breadline, the minimum

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wage is there for a reason. Argos was taken over by Sainsbury's last

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year. We asked them for an interview, but they declined.

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Instead, they sent us a statement. A Sainsbury's spokesperson said, we

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were made aware of the issue shortly after buying Argos and worked with

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HMRC to resolve it as quickly as possible. They wanted to assure us

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that Sainsbury's prides itself on being a trusted brand where people

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love to work, and they said processors have been updated to

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ensure this cannot happen again. Good for them. But Argos is far from

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being alone on the government blacklist. Underpayment are still a

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problem. Margot James is the under Secretary of State for the

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department of business. Is this naming and shaming working? We are

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still seeing big names like Argos and Debenhams failing to pay minimum

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wage. Workers have been paid back ?6 million in arrears that they would

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otherwise not have got, and naming and shaming is an important part of

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the tearing other companies from thinking that they can get away with

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it. -- the tearing. Were it not for enforcement, they may well add

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continued, who knows? The fine does not affect the chief executive. I

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would contest that they do not get any downside to their reputation. If

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I was working a company, to underpay people on the minimum wage, I would

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have found that very embarrassing and upsetting, had it happened to my

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own company. Of the Government says that naming and shaming works. The

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people I have spoken to today say they would avoid companies that do

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not play fair by their employees. The question is, will we see another

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big high street name on the next list? We hope not, we hope this is

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the last time we will have to name and shame, but we will be keeping an

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eye on the story. We're onto this bed now, Ronnie, good news, Artist.

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This is your new book, it features work going back to your early times

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in your career, Ellie paintings, so is it a biography through your art?

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It is an eye-opener for me to see my first oil painting that I did when I

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was 12, my first horse, I was even younger. Coming right up to

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portraits and landscapes, through nudes, stuff I have done at the

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ballet. It is a plethora of different subject matter. This is

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the thing, you have been an artist longer than you have been a

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musician, and there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of paintings

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and bits of work in here. They wouldn't let me put any more in! How

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did you manage to choose what to put in? Where did you get them all from?

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They are not all at home, are they? With great difficulty! To get them

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photographed in high resolution, ones that were stolen, ones that

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were in other people's hands, taking them out of frames to be

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photographed. You were a trainee sign writer in your first job, and

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this is incredible, because you must have kept hold of this force along,

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your first paid bit of work. The local man in my little town, he

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commissioned me to paint for his radio shop, but before this, this

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was the local pet shop, I think I got about 12 shillings for doing

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this. But that was a lot of money for a struggling schoolboy! It is

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super, especially the dog at the top left. It is pretty good stuff! To

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see it now, it is hilarious, it is probably 60 years old. I was reading

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that your brothers were artists, and you watched them, and your style

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evolves from copying them. Little Ronnie, I was eight or ten years

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younger than them, so I would always get in a way, their girlfriends, the

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arts Gaumont, little Ronnie is here again, sending down the shop! -- the

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art school mob. Are the band is supportive, when you on tour? I take

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these moments any way, and I make sketches and stuck on tour. I guess

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you know them so well, you have seen more than anybody else, so you

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capture something in their faces that nobody else could, really. I

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think if you get the eyes, especially, this was a concentrated

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two week study, I did oil paintings for the band, and it ended up with

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the big picture of the Beggar's Banquet, I took some artistic

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license, even though I wasn't in the band, I put myself in the painting!

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The band was taking on a different meaning, you know, both artistically

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and musically over the years, and I try to follow it. And two of the

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most emotive drawings and paintings that you have got in here are of

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your parents, and that is you dedicate the book too. Very

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different styles. My mum is pen and ink, and Archie, that is more of a

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wash. What are you trying to say in these particular portraits? What did

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you feel of your mum and dad and their characteristics here? Because

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your dad looks very similar to you. Yeah, but put a black wig on that,

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the big nose! What was he like? A very warm character, he was like

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from the music all, really, he would entertain you, tell you a joke, sing

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a song, basked on the piano. So your performance genes came from him.

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Yeah, the front, the confidence. You will be going on tour in September,

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taking the paints with you, I imagine? Yes, we are back rehearsing

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next week, and my mum, it was so sweet, she only went abroad once,

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she came to Paris with me when the Stones were rehearsing and recording

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there, and this was her looking out on Avenue Victor Hugo, we were

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staying near the Etoile, and I said, what you think of Paris? And she

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said that one in the red dress is back a bit early! So many beautiful

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paintings, like we have said, and you mentioned horses right at the

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start, Ronnie, and these are some of my favourites, very special, the way

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you have captured them. I know horses are very important to you,

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and our very own George McGavin likes painting horses, just not

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quite in the same way. Well, you might be wondering why we

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are painting stripes on this horse. It is a special experiment designed

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to solve one of nature's greatest mysteries - just why do zebras have

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stripes? Over the years, there have been many theories, from social

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communication to camouflage and even heat dissipation. But so far, none

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of these have quite convinced the scientific community. Finally, some

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cutting-edge research being done at Bristol University may provide the

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answer. Martin is leading the project. It is a question that has

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confused scientists for years and years, right back to Darwin, and one

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of the theories that has gained the most traction recently is that maybe

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the stripes are targeted at biting insects, and one of the mechanisms

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that we think is a play here is an optical illusion. So I will give you

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an example, if you spin this high contrast disc... That is very

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disturbing, the outer ring is going that way, the next one looks like it

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is going that way. We are very interested in whether something

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similar to that is somehow confusing biting flies as they come in to land

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on zebras. Insects have compound eyes made up of thousands of

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individual light receptors which are excellent at detecting movement, but

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what looked like plain stripes to us actually cause a disorienting

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dazzling effect to a compound eye. with Martin and the team have set up

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a free flying arena, the walls of which have either zebra stripes or a

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more natural patter and projected onto them. A camera system records

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the movements of the fly. After releasing a flight, Martin will run

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the footage through tracking software to reveal the fly's flight

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path. There is a yellow ring. That is where the computer thinks the fly

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is. Sure we played through? There he goes. He has taken off. He has done

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away from that wall. And there we go. He came into land, slowed down

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and landed on the random wall. That is cool. The fly is reluctant to

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land on the stripes. This becomes even clearer when we slow the

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footage down. It seems it prefers the more natural pattern. And the

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lab results are further back-up by results in the field. -- backed up.

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The horses were bitten more than the zebras. What if horses taste better?

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To put this to the test, we have painted a snowy the horse to look

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like a zebra. He has spent the last three hours in make-up being

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disguised with nontoxic paint to see if his new look will prevent him

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from bites. You can make friends afterwards. I'm going to record how

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many times he is bitten are irritated by the flies over 30

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minutes, compares to our control horses. All I have to do is count

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how many flies land on each of the horses. Easy, Tiger. There are

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actually no flies on snowy at all. And there is one feeding on the

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neck. That is a nasty one. That is a very big horsefly. Right on his

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flank. Yeah. Watch my binoculars. That is pretty clear. That is a

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horsefly. That has had three or four horseflies. The zebra has had none.

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If I am walking the plains of East Africa, I'm going to be wearing a

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stripey suit. There are no flies on George. Zebra

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striped horse blankets will make a fortune. They are already out there.

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Mike Dilger is here. The question that comes to mind is why all the

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animals in the Savannah not covered in stripes? It is down to the

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thickness of your skin. If you have a hide like a rhino, flies will not

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bite you. If you have a thin skin, like zebras, they have to develop

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another armoury. They have evolved the stripes. What kind of animals

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have stripes? Some of the Springbok Impala 's. There is a snake that

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uses stripes? For its own protection. The garter snake. A good

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pet. In nonvenomous snake. The only problem is lots of things eat it,

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like raccoons and hawks. What's those long strides and you get

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mesmerised. You don't know which direction the snake is going or how

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fast it is going. If it bites the head, it can pretend the tale is its

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head. And vice versa. There is a human application of stripes?

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Indeed. World War I warships. Imagine you are a German U-boat

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submarine, up goes the periscope, you see that ship. You can't tell

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where it is going, how fast it is going. Terribly clever. Inspired by

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nature. Time to talk about romance. Fiddler crabs. The males have really

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large pincers. The females have too. It is an optical illusion. The

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females love a big pincer. If you have got a big pincer, you will get

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lots of matings. If you have a modest sized pincer, you won't get

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as many crabs. You surround yourself with little tiny pincers to make

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your pincer look larger than it is. This goes back to 1901. It is all

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about tricking the brain into fooling about the size of these

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orange circles. Which one is the larger one? They are the same size.

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Such a smart lad. That one looks bigger because it is surrounded by

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small ones. If I peel it off, Ronnie is officially top of the class.

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What is next? We have done zebras. Knockout sister, which refers to a

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boxing club with a difference in Newcastle.

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Here is Mehreen Baig. Boxing is traditionally male dominated sport.

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But in 2009, women's boxing was officially accepted on the world

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scene, paving the way for the likes of Nicola Adams. In the UK around a

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third of all people who box our female. For some of these women, the

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fight has not just been in the ring. Until very recently, many British

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Muslim females have found accessing any kind of sport difficult. Mainly

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due to the lack of women only facilities available and sportswear

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that conflicts with the Islamic dress code. But here, in Newcastle,

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an all-female boxing club has been set up. It's called knockout sister.

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This allows Muslim women of all ages to get fit, boost confidence and

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learn self defence. There has been a rising hostility towards Muslim and

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in recent years. So this woman's family has encouraged her to take up

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boxing. I am a Muslim or in but people don't always associate me

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with being a Muslim and because I don't wear a hijab. Do you think now

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Muslim women need to learn self defence more than they had to

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previously? Absolutely. There is so much more hate crime. Wearing the

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hijab, you know straightaway, she is a Muslim. I'm going to be put in a

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situation where possibly it could happen to me. My parents don't want

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me to be vulnerable and put myself in a situation where I won't be able

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to protect myself. So yeah, it is important for Muslim and to learn

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how to box. Her sister works as a local pharmacist and she took up

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boxing after an incident at work. A method on patient had missed his

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dolls for three days. He could not remember that. I had to refuse the

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dose. He didn't like that. He displayed threatening behaviour

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towards me. That made me think I do need to learn something that

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requires self defence. I heard about this class.

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That was it. This woman has been coming over six months. She wears

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the niqab in public. There are loads of non-Muslims in here as well. It

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is open for all women. Not just Muslim women specifically. I don't

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cover when I am doing my training sessions. It is good that you can

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wear what you feel comfortable in to work out.

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She has encouraged her daughter too, along and get involved in the club.

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She thinks nobody should stop Muslims and from having this

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opportunity. Most of the men discouraging their wives from going

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into sport, I would ask if he was afraid. What are you afraid of,

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seriously? Contact sport has got benefits. You can defend yourself.

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It is good to keep fit and healthy. That is part of Islam as well,

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maintaining good physical fitness, looking after your body as well as

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your soul and your mind. It is all round. With all women boxing and

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sports clubs like this one found around the country, it should give

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Muslims and the possibility and opportunity to both integrate and

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participate without compromising their religion. Being here today and

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seeing these women enriching their lives in such a positive manner, is

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truly inspiring. In a world where we are rarely given glimpses of Muslim

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and in sporting capacities, clubs like this are helping to strip away

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negative opinions and misconceptions. It seems the future

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from Muslim sportswomen can only get better.

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We can't show a film like that and not show the greatest, Muhammad Ali,

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who you paint a few times in the book. And you met him as well? Yeah.

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He was a pleasure to be around. He thought of himself as a conjurer, a

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man with a slate of hand and tricks. Really good fun. When I was with him

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in New York were in his hotel room and I said, for fun, let's go down

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on fifth Ave, you walk one side of the street and I'll walk the other

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and will stop the traffic. I thought, yeah, I know who is going

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to stop that traffic! Scottish students received their higher

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results last week. Tomorrow is D-Day for a thousands of students in the

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rest of the UK, all of them hoping to get the results they want. But as

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Kate McIntire discovered, you can't always get what you want. Sometimes

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you might just find you get what you need.

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If the memory of getting your A-level results is fond one surround

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by disappointment, it could be a pivotal moment to shape the rest of

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your life. What do the people of Leeds remember about their results?

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For better or for worse? Do you remember getting your A-level

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results? I do. I took three but I only passed one. How did they affect

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your next step in light? I didn't go to university. I went travelling,

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became a mum. And then I did a degree when I was 40. It is never

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too late. I got a capital see in psychology. Do you remember getting

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your A-level steel I do, yeah. A bit of advice, don't sweat. Take it as

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it goes. I got three seas. I got an A in geography. My teacher predicted

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something else. I was a bit like, I am going to get a A macro. Dab -- A.

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I went out for a drink with friends. I got two As, a B and ACE. When I

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got to school was a nervous wreck, text and my friends. When I got them

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it was fantastic. I got what I needed. Was at a life changing

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moment? Yeah, because you spend eight years of your life with these

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people and it comes to an end. The results are a culmination of that. I

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know you know full well the A-level results, out tomorrow because you

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are both teachers. Will you be giving them? Yeah, I will be going

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into school to see their excited faces. Is a life changing moment for

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students? Joe Cain is somewhat uncertain decisions at that stage. I

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didn't get into university despite having three As. I have spent years

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abroad, so as long as you're willing to work for it, it will Robert.

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It is amazing what happens in life when you don't get the results you

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need. It is the 40th anniversary of Elvis Presley's death. You came so

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close to having a personal meeting with him, didn't you? Yeah. I went

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to the hospital that he was in. I almost had the courage to say, I am

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from the Rolling Stones, let me up there but I chickened out. As I

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walked away I felt, I wonder if I will regret this? All the time up in

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his room, I heard he had Jimmy Page and Robert Plant up there. I should

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have done it. What would you have said to him? I guess we would have

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just exchanged verbal rifts. I got -- I've got a feeling we would have

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got on. Nice.

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On the playlist it is down as heartburn Hotel. Will you play side?

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And give adjoining us, Ronnie Wood! It has been a lovely evening. Alex

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and I will be here tomorrow with Len Goodman. We will see you then.

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Good night!

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