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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

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Our guest is a world famous artist who started out as the bad girl at

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school. But ended up top of the class. So much so that the Prime

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Minister says he wants her to paint him. It is Tracey Emin.

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Where would you start with the Prime Minister? How would you

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painting? Well, Yves Klein would have painted the Prime Minister a

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blue and naked. That could be tricky! I would probably do some

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drawings of him first. The first time I met the Prime Minister he

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did tell me that himself. Because I do lots of sowing, which is really

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painstaking, slow and laborious, I said that if he wants to spend six

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funds in my studio while I do and embroidery of her and then fine,

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but I expect he has other things to do! -- of him. Just a few days to

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go until the Olympics, 99. You have design some of the posters. This is

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for the Paralympics. That is just beautiful. That is a very good

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message. Determination and inspiration were motto words for

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the Paralympics. What I am really thrilled about is that my poster is

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the designated poster for the Paralympics. That is what the

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Paralympic bought toes. Any literature, anything historic, it

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will be my poster. I'm really thrilled with that. It is great.

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APPLAUSE. Tracey has also taken part to a

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whole new level because she was the driving force behind an amazing new

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concept of a fleet of Olympic aeroplanes. We will be chatting to

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Tracey about that project later. They are just beautiful. For any

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youngster growing up with an adult with a drink or drug problem, life

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can be pretty tough. According to a new report, perhaps as many as 3.5

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million children live in a household affected by addiction.

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Hayley Cutts meets one remarkable family.

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Most of the time, my mum and Charley are arguing. It used to

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make me so sad that I would sit down somewhere and make me start

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crying. There were times when I have been chased around the house

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with a claw hammer because my mum had just flown into a fury. We got

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into an argument and did went too far. It all just went to hell,

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really. This is the reality for children growing up with an

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alcoholic parent. A quarter of all children in the UK now live with

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the family member suffering from an alcohol or drug problem. This

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family have agreed to tell me their story. For more than a decade,

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Charley, Daniel, Alan and Ruby, have spent their time living with

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an alcoholic mother. One of the biggest things in your child that

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is having a parent around. So that you can talk to them about things.

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At the time of your childhood, your parent is your best friend. I was

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tidying up, I was cooking, I was cleaning. I was just doing

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everything. My little sister actually started calling me mum

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because I had been looking after her for so long. That was pretty

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scary. How old were you? 13, 14. mum started going on, I would

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aggravate her more so that she went after me instead of the kids.

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put yourself in a line of fire to protect them? Yes. I have to

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because they were too little to take it. A charity has been helping

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his family to cope with their problems. Jordan of addicts are

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seven times more likely to become addicts themselves, so the only way

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to prevent this is to intervene early and offer support for the

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whole family. Charley realised that he had to fill the gap left by his

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mother's drinking. Servitor, parental role alongside his sister.

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It was the most horrible part of my life. -- he took on the parental

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role. It is difficult. Do you worry about following in your mother's

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footsteps? Honestly, I can't say I do because I have seen how my life

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is affected by it. If I was to have children, I don't think I could do

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that to them but I am not 100% sure, because all of the problems can be

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very overpowering sometimes, and I just feel like getting out of my

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face on alcohol or drugs or whatever I can get hold of, just to

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become not myself. After a year of being sober, mum Emma realises how

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her drinking affected the lives of her children. I don't think I can

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say that I was a mother. I wanted to be but that was blind doubt by

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the addiction which had taken over everything. -- blanked out. I found

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it difficult to spend time with them even. Sometimes I would be

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extremely aggressive because I was angry at drinking and being out of

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control and not being able to do what I felt I needed to do for them.

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Sometimes they would come home and I was depressed and they would have

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me crying. I think fear was a huge factor in their lives. Looking back

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on that, that is not a good thing to put on your children. Obviously

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I have said to them that I cannot change what happened at those times,

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but I can show them that I have changed. Having to be apparent for

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so long, I now feel lost because I don't have to be. -- to be the

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parent. Now where do I belong? I have no role in life. So it is not

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over for you? I do not think it will ever be over. I think this

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will affect the rest of my life, well, forever. Wonderfully strong.

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Three superb young people. Dr Jarvis is here. Charley was

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speaking about resisting the temptation of using alcohol to blot

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out his problems. Is this a recurring problem in children of

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addicts? Tragically it is. You would imagine that if you have gone

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through it yourself, the last thing you would want is to put your

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children through red. The problem is that this is about the family.

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Alcohol and drugs always affect the whole family, not the individual.

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These children have learned that that is how you cope. Even if you

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have not got an alcoholic parent, it is important to talk to children

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about keeping away from alcohol until they are 16, to understand

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they do not have to drink and give in to peer pressure. The Charley

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the important thing is getting support as the family. He needs to

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know how to be apparent and he has never learned. Emma is doing really

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well, so before you. Do addicts often relapse? -- sober for a year.

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Tragically it happens all the time. Every month that Emma is sober, the

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better chance she has got. It is all down to family and seeking help

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early. If things are going wrong, make sure you speak to your GP in

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the first instance, or somebody in authority who can help you.

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really do wish the family all the best. Tracey, you work with the

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NSPCC. You have seen how first hand young people can turn their lives

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around. Yes, when you come from a dysfunctional family, you need a

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lot of outside support. It cannot just work within because there are

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no guidelines and there is nobody to show you the way. Like we have

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been saying. The stuff I have seen with the NSPCC is terrific, and it

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would break your heart that it is happening in this country. It is

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not happening in a faraway place, it is right here, round the corner.

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Talking about the NSPCC, I have just donated my favourite little

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bird, which is an animated work, and you can go to the website. They

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are �50 each and every single penny goes to the NSPCC. Brilliant.

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last bid to say that and I have said it! -- they asked me to say

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that. Your father was an alcoholic before you were born. Yes, really

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heavy. Two bottles of whisky every day. He still managed to walk in a

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straight line and function, I don't know how. Then when he found out

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that my mother was pregnant with us, we are twins, he went and was cured

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completely. He stopped drinking in 1963 and I never saw him take a

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drink. He talked to you about it? Yes, constantly. He knew what the

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guidelines were, and he would talk to me from a very good moral

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perspective. The fact that he had been on the other side, I listened

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to him. That is key, like you were saying. Communication is so

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important. It is all about the family. Tracey, we could not have

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you here without showing you some dazzling artwork. I am sure this is

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not what you might expect. The submarine is a deadly weapon of

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warfare and now familiar to us all. But 100 years ago it was an

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entirely new and frightening threat. German U-boats were deployed for

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the first time in World War One. They proved deadly, especially in

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attacking civilian ships carrying food and supplies from North

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America to Britain. Several ships a day were being lost, including the

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Lusitania, torpedoed off the coast of Ireland in May, 1915, with the

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last of 1200 lives. -- the loss. There may be needed to counter the

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U-boat menace. An extraordinary solution came from an unlikely

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source, the world of art. Dr Samuel is an expert in the use of military

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camouflage and deception. I have always had a long-standing interest

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in appearances. Initially the idea was to conceal ships, by making

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them look the same as their background. Obviously, ships are

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rather large and this turned out to be a non-starter. At that stage,

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inspiration struck. They decided that rather than trying to conceal

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things, they would confuse the enemy instead. Ships were painted

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in bold, geometric designs, blocks of colour, stripes and strong

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shapes. They were designed not to hide and disguise the vessels, but

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confuse and disorientate U-boat commanders. The answer came from a

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chap called Norman Wilkinson, and he was an artist with naval

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experience. He called it dazzle camouflage, the idea being to paint

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high contrast patterns on the sides of ships. The theory behind dazzle

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ships was that submarine captain's hat to be close to their prey to a

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tap. This -- captains had to be close to their prey to attack. I

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have come to the National Submarine Museum to meet a former submarine

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captain. The captain wants to keep the periscope exposure down to a

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minimum so we have to think carefully about what he wants to

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get out of a Paris go before we use it. At this stage it is very tense.

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He will not be very far away, so he has to be very careful he is not

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detected himself. When the periscope goes up, the water has to

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drain away so that you can see the target, which takes a couple of

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seconds. U-boat commanders had six seconds to find their target and

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make the decision to fire. The main aim was to confuse the commander

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with an overload of information. In that brief moment, if you could

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give lots of information, that would confuse him. And then when he

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went to fire his torpedo, he would be in the wrong place. Bedazzle

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technique took several forms. In this design, the shape of the black

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patrol boat with an bow wave suggesting speed has been painted

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on to the stern of a larger vessel going in the opposite direction.

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The sloping smokestacks here suggest it is travelling right to

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left when it is travelling in the opposite direction. Dazzle became

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widely used by the end of the First World War and even into the Second

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World War. The advent of radar made it far less effective. Did it work?

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Well... The evidence is equivocal. It is not easy to say from the

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figures we have that it did actually work but it did not seem

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to make things worse. People felt safe on the ships and the rumours

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were that its stock to being torpedoed, so it was a moral

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victory at least. -- it stopped you being torpedoed. Modern technology

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makes dazzle obsolete but I think it is exciting. It is not quite

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magic, but it is a brilliant trick. Fascinating stuff. You were glued

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to that, or Leo. I want to go to Stockport now and go to that museum.

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It bedazzled me and it was really clever and I am sure that it worked.

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Just watching it, we were confused. If you have got six seconds in a

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periscope, you do not know what is going on. Moving seamlessly from

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painted boats to painted aeroplanes, as part of London 2012? That was a

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very good link! You said it yourself! You have been mentoring a

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young artist called Pascal. You have moved into designing

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aeroplanes. What have you been It was a competition that British

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Airways did to celebrate the Olympics. Which myself, and Heston

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Blumenthal were to mentor for British Airways. My job was to

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mentor an artist to design a plane. I wanted to turn the plane into

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something else. Pascal Anson's design was fantastic, it is a bird.

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Sometimes the simlest things are the best. It worked. I was so

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chuffed when I saw it at the unveiling a few weeks ago.

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And it was not just a bird, but a dove, the symbol of the Olympics.

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This is remarkable footage, we can see it coming together here. Would

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you like to get your head around one of those spray guns? I could

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not get my head around it. It was so overwhelming as an idea. The

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only idea I came up with was to put a picture of my cat on the back

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with a little flag around his scarf. Something cute going through the

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air. That is something about the dove. It is so lovely to look at.

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On its maiden flight, all of the people on the flight were so

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thrilled and excited to be on it. There will be nine of these planes.

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What is really lovely is that the dove in the 1948 Olympics, the

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doves were released as a symbol of peace for the whole world. There

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had just been the Second World War. It was a symbol of hope. What I am

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pleased with British Airways, first of all they let us do what we

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wanted to do and the next thing was to remove the red, blue and white

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flag. Just because we are hosting the Olympics, we don't own it. This

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is for the world to celebrate. This is showing the world that Britain

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is about other ideas, other things other than self-promotion it is

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about peace, understanding, sharing. It will is good, the same with the

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Paralympics. It is good.

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We were look up -- looking up to the sky to find one.

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What works on the ground does not work 15,000 feet on the air or as

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it takes off it is the same with Heston with the food, what tasted

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great on the ground does not taste good 36,000 feet on the air. The

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same with the music and film. That is why everything in the air is

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heightened. Well, look out for the nine

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Olympics planes with the dove motif. According to Mike Dilger, it is

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amazing what bird life you can spot close to the cities. When he told

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us that owls were drawn to bright lights, we thought there was a

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challenge, we asked him to prove it. I restricted my search to the M25.

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A boundary around the most densely populated area of Britain. The

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birds I am looking for are the tawny, the barn, the little, the

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short-eared and long-eared owls. It is almost dusk. Finding them will

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not be easy in an area of more than 2,500 square miles. To help, I have

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three teems of expert birdwatchers spread out across London. They each

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have an infra-red camera if they catch sight of an owl they will

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call me. With the sun setting I have the first tip-off. There are

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little owls that appear to be going in and out of what appears to be

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its hole. To protect the birds I have to keep my exact location

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secret. Once extinct in Britain, they are now trying after being re-

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introduced in the 1990s. Stand here. That is where it hangs

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around. Little owls use the same nesting

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location year after year. Dave saw one here an hour ago.

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Our patience is finally rewarded. It suddenly pops its head out it is

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in that lovely crevasse there. It is such a gorgeous bird. You are

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likely to see the birds during the day as that is when they hunt. It

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is flying! Flying! Fantastic! First owl down. It is dark when I get the

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next call. The family of tawny owls have been

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spotted in a Central London cemetery. That is exactly what I

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was hoping for. There was an adult calling about an hour -and-a-half

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ago, maybe a little less. Rural owls feed on small mam

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unanimouslys, but in the city, they become more reliant on small birds.

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That is why this is a perfect location.

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Can you hear that? The tawny owl calling in the dead of the night.

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Oh, it is close! It is really close. I see it! I see it! I've got to...

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I've got my second owl! It's now 1.00am. One of my support team is

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at a location where barn owls have been seen before.

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This is the area where they have been hunting. Lots of grass for

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them to hold the voles and the mice that they feed on.

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In the countryside, barn owls commonly hunt at dusk, but in

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cities they've become exclusively nocturnal hunters. After two hours,

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nothing, but here is footage of one filmed within a mile of the M25.

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Well, it is just before dawn after the end of a long night. I'm about

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to arrive at Rainham Marshes. Yesterday, the cameraman here

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captured another special owl. I am hoping to see it this morning.

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How are we getting on, any sign of the shorted-owl so far? Not yet. We

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are trying. This marsh -land is a perfect place

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to spot then, but in addition to last night's footage, I'm keen to

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set up the camera trap we set up two days ago.

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Shorted owl it is flying! It's is flying right past.

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Here we go. Lovely. Well, there we go. I have completed

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my dusk until dawn challenge. Two close encounters and footage of a

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third owl. It was a tough challenge, but the results are good enough for

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me and there is always another day. Nearly, Mike. Mr Mike Dilger is not

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the only fan of owl, is he -- owls, is he, Tracey? No. I love them.

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Now, can we split screen this. This is a self-portrait? It is.

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Why did you choose an owl? I will not say on daytime television.

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Fair enough! Now, Tracey, on the subject... To be honest, I will not

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lie. On the subject of your art, lots of

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people have an opinion about it. Is there a common theme? How do you

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describe your style and work? I come from a long tradition of a

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classical old-fashioned idea of art. First of all it is personal, it is

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subjective and I'm passionate about what I do. It is steming from me,

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what I am thinking, witness, see in, believe in, the philosophy that I

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follow. It is like I have a constant dialogue that I am

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constantly working out through my work.

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Words feature? A lot of words. The neon stuff is lovely.

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You do have an exhibition coming up over the summer in your home town

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of Margate. What can we expect to see? It is a new body of work. I'm

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showing with two gentlemen, Rodin and Turner, I am showing their

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erotic works alongside mine. I am not -- nervous about it. Not many

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artists have the chance to show the art in the town where they grew up.

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Margate is very small. But Turner showed there, he came

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from there. What I am hoping is that even if people don't like my

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work, go down to Margate to slag it off. Just go to Margate! It is

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beautiful. The gallery is fantastic? Margate

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is beautiful. It has the most beautiful sun sets in the world,

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that is why Turner painted there. He also had an affair with his

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landlady, Mrs Booth. I always say if you want a dirty weekend, don't

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go to Brighton, go to Margate. It is really dirty down there! Well,

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there is so much to Tracey's work. There is the My Bed, of course, it

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got us thinking, we know what Tracey's bed means to her, what

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does your bed mean to you? I love my bed because our son Jasper was

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born in the bed. At 4.00am one morning, the bed

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collapsed while I was feeding him. The mattress fell through with me

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on it. Jasper carried on feeding, my husband Paul was fast asleep and

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would not wake up! Welcome to my home. This is my cab. I work as a

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trucker Monday to Friday. Like in your own house you make it homely.

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You put your stuff on it I have kids, so, hence the fact I have the

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stuffed toys. I like to talk to them at night! Basically, obviously

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my spwed underneath, with the drawers here where I keep random

:25:41.:25:51.
:25:51.:25:52.

things. I prefer my truck bed to my bed at home. Is that really sad?

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love our bed as it is our first marital bed. We have slept apart. I

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have a heart problem. I sleep on the double bed down here. Mike is

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upstairs. Now we have the bed. Basically we can really start to

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feel like we are married. You are going to make it? Yes.

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Ah! Comfy at last! Our new bed! like my bed because it's got secret

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compartments and most of all it's got my favourite football team,

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Chelsea. My stairs are good as my sisters can't get up it. My sisters

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are 22 and 27 years old. All of them are really annoying! I like my

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bed because it is really high up in the room. Because it is safe and

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snuggley. I love my bed. Knight.

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-- night, night. There we are, the lights go out.

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I want to ask you something, everyone knows you share the sofa,

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but in the studio I have heard that you share a bed? Hang on! It is

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factuallally correct. Basically, I have moved house, I am sleeping on

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Matt's sofa bed, but that is in my bed, not in Matt's house. There it

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is!. That is embarrassing! Not as embarrassing as mine that half of

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the world saw. It was recently in Adelaide. Apparently when it was on

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display, a lot of British people went and waved Union Jacks around

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It must be remade every time it is done? It is. Every time I do it, I

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sort of go... Now, when a museum does it, they wear gloves and

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things, masks, they think it is so disgusting! Tonight, we have

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noticed with the dove, with the Paralympics, with the charity,

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birds are very important to you? When I was depressed, I was so for

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a couple of years. With the art I wanted to make something that made

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me feel good. I didn't want to draw myself. So I started with birds and

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I have carried on doing it. They make me feel good. It is like

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angels, like the owl, when we saw it flying, it was so beautiful. You

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