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Hello and welcome to
The One Show with Alex Jones.
And Matt Baker.
We've two fellas making their debuts
on the show tonight,
lovely guys by all accounts.
It's just that something seems
to happen when the camera turns on.
And this is England.
You are not
bringing that thing in here.
see if I've got the minerals?
Looking much more
chilled out tonight -
it's Stephen Graham and Lennie
Lennie, Stephen told us
he calls you Uncle Lennie,
so you must have a softer side?
I don't even know where it came
Your a few years older than
me, it's just your general
I'm an old man!
are loving, extremely sensitive and
someone you can rely on.
Who are you
and what have you done with Stephen
Graham? I tell everyone he calls me
uncle Lennie, a good mate.
getting a flavour of you because
that's what we are used to. How far
from the tough persona are you?
Extremely, I'd like to say.
seen you on CBeebies doing the
Yes, I loved doing
CBeebies. I'm completely different
to the characters I play.
the story behind this?
behind that is my wife, Hannah. It
is her fault.
thought it would be a good idea for
me to do it and generally anything
she says I do. It's about showing
another side to me I suppose.
going to keep you nice and relaxed
tonight, which is the idea.
But just how relaxed would you feel
if you had to drastically cut
down your use of plastic?
Today's news that plastic particles
have been found in three quarters
of deep ocean fish reminds us
what a critical point
we have reached.
No wonder so many families
are trying their best
to find alternatives.
The Proud family from Manchester all
have hectic lives. But mum Louise,
dad Wayne and daughters 15-year-old
Macy and 11-year-old Amber found
time to take on the challenge close
to my heart. Are you ready to go
plastic free? I want them to reduce
their single use disposable plastic
consumption for a whole week and
record how they get on with video
diaries. But first I want to find
out how much plastic they currently
When I cook a meal it is just a
load of plastic so I've been
shopping today and
shopping today and everything is in
plastic bottles. Everything is just
in plastic, and it is concerning.
Like most families they don't feel
they have a choice to use plastic.
Dad Wayne is in charge of the
recycling. But not all plastic is
easily recycled. Can I look in the
If you must!
this flimsy plastic here. When is
And it isn't just
We get milk in plastic
bottles with straws in them and
every day we throw them in the
I'm interested in
personal care products, moisturiser,
Make up wipes.
wipes are woven together with
plastic. What's wrong with a
So can they go without single use
plastic for a whole week or is it
just too convenient? They begin the
week with some success.
using face wipes I am using a
And Louise ditches her
plastic plate... But at the
supermarket reality hits.
plastic, I haven't got to anything
yet that hasn't got plastic on it.
Midweek and the cupboards become
bare so Wayne takes the kids food
shopping. This time he ditches the
supermarket in favour of a shop in
Bolton selling produce without
Do we just put
everything in the basket?
If you are
happy to, we would love that.
There's paper bags for loose items.
After visiting the bakers and
butchers they are still plastic free
but it's not as convenient as the
We have done quite a
few miles and nearly three hours.
Today the girls went into the shop
to buy carrots like this, which they
were very excited about. It is
bizarre in this day the kids are
excited to buy vegetables that is
The children are so
excited, Amber decides to tackle the
problem of plastic milk bottles and
straws at her school.
What I would
like to think about is how we can
use other things.
Raise your hands
now if you are for Amber's idea.
Fantastic. It will be our job to
make sure it is implemented.
checks her parents are still toeing
What do you think you are
Yes, but it is reusable.
The other day I got the bleach
bottle, filled it up to there and
But has she caught dad
What is all of this plastic?
No, what is this?
was no other choice than what was
there. It is difficult to get meet
that isn't in plastic from the
Experiment over but
what impact has it hard? I'm back to
find out. I'm seeing more glass and
tins, less plastic but not a huge
reduction. How has it been?
have been dreaming about plastic!
Has this week been more expensive?
From what to what?
We normally spend
about £100, I think it has been 120.
He wouldn't have been able to do
this challenge if you shopped in the
supermarkets where you normally
shop, it wouldn't have worked, would
No, they have addressed plastic
bags, now they need to address
plastic in the store.
So Louise, Wayne, Macy
and Amber, welcome.
That was brilliant. As Lucy said, it
is because the supermarket, it is
very difficult because everything
comes in packaging. You drove three
hours and all you got was a dirty
carrot which is fine but it's not
sustainable on a day-to-day basis
for a family like you so what needs
to be done to make this easier for
We need to get that of
plastic basically out of the
supermarkets. It's everywhere so you
need to reduce it massively.
Everywhere you go to is plastic.
Lucy basically went through your
whole house so as far as the
categories are concerned, beauty
products and whatever, what was the
hardest area to cut back on? You
For me, make up products
because I couldn't find any that
didn't contain a small bit of
plastic. It maybe a glass bottle but
it still had a plastic lid.
looked at websites where you can buy
make up products that are in
I have looked at
it but I don't know if I'm willing
to pay that much to get a plastic
bottle that is recyclable.
Amber, we saw you with your
school friends so what have your
school teachers said to you?
trying to change it and make a
difference on how we are using milk
because the plastic, it's the
plastic lids and the straws that are
bad but we are trying to replace
them and figure out a way we can do
it, getting in touch with the milk
Good, because everyone in
your class was on board, weren't
they? You were talking about meat
saying that the hardest thing to
come by that is not in plastic but
as a family are you going to stick
about plastic. I have got my own
back we make now, we enjoyed making
those. I've got my straws, we need
to change straws from plastic to
paper, that's a big one for me so
I'm on a mission.
Maisie, you must
be noticing plastic everywhere right
Literally everywhere. School,
everywhere. It is hard when you go
into shock and not just see plastic,
getting a snack or bottle of water,
you have to check everything to see
if it is recyclable.
you don't want to be continuing when
you are mum's age. It has to stop.
Yes because in the future I see a
future where people don't care any
more. Plastic will be in the oceans,
we will have less fish and my
children won't understand what it's
like not to have a world full of
plastic and I don't agree with it.
We could change it so
We could change it so easily, even
changing bins around streets not
just a general waste but recyclable
ones as well as general waste.
you want to go and work with the
That was so eloquently said
and you should be proud.
The pair of
them have done amazing.
cracking the way you put that.
are in the hands of the next
generation, that's what we need,
definitely. The congratulations are
going to continue now.
We've got to say congratulations
to League One's Wigan,
who knocked Manchester City out
of the FA Cup last night in a real
old-fashioned giant killing.
The winner was scored
by Will Grigg, a man who's been
immortalised in song.
COMMENTATOR: A lot of people would
have known the song better than they
knew his face!
Free from desire,
that was the song.
Football chants have a mixed history
with some spreading racial
and religious bigotry.
Which is why what's
happening in Liverpool
at the moment is so interesting.
Here at Anfield, football is
worshipped like a religion and the
stadium is its cathedral. There are
lots of songs sung on the terraces,
but a recent one is
uncharacteristically different. It
is catchy and in honour of Egyptian
international Mohammed Salah, and it
has gone viral. It not only embraces
the man for his talents on the field
but also for his religion. Football
has had problems with sectarian and
racist chanting but this song is the
complete opposite. Have you heard
the new football chant about Salah?
Yes, we have.
What do you think
We think it's positive
because we are not racist people.
What was your reaction when you
first heard it?
A bit shocked. It is
quite sensitive thing, quite a
personal thing to be just thrown
around like that.
I saw it and I was
like here we go again, another
controversial chant but they are
just adding the word in for shock
value. They could have just said I
will become a footballer too.
long as he's a red, that's all we
Supporters can loosen up
their vocal chords before a match
here on Anfield Road.
When you are
hearing it, you cannot stop singing
it and when you go to bed you can't
get to sleep because it is in your
head, just singing it all the time.
What do you think about
including religion in songs at
If it brings faiths
together it has got to be a good
It's not a fan base, it is a
family. Whether you are white,
black, Asian, African, Caribbean,
Adopted Scouser Adam is a
Muslim chaplain who loves the song
and the message it sends out.
chanting it myself...
# If he's good enough for you,
he's good enough for me
# If he scores another few
then I'll be Muslim too
# If he's good enough for you,
he's good enough for me
# He's sitting in a mosque,
that's where I want to be.
Usually you expect negative things
but on this occasion it has been
positive. What's especially pleasing
to me is the words they chose to
use. You think thank God, finally,
the person's religion is being
mentioned as a positive aspects. It
really made me smile.
# If he's good enough for you, he's
good enough for me.
# If he's sitting in the mosque,
that's where I want to be. I'm
tempted to go to Anfield and join in
And well, watching that would
interest, Stephen, you are a
lifelong Liverpool fan and you said
are you we going to show the picture
and the answer is yes! There you are
aged six. Have you heard this song
before, are you familiar with it,
what you saw there?
No, I don't
really get a chance to go to many
Liverpool games but I heard it early
on and I think of that is not
integration, then I don't know what
is. It's got that bit of humour
about it but it is with great
It's everything that is good
about being in the stands at a
football game. It's got all the
sense of humour, it's inclusive and
it's a group of people who probably
wouldn't have much to say to each
other on a day-to-day basis but when
they are all stood together cheering
their team, it is the same bond, it
is the reason I go to football. And
Harry Kane. Moussa Dembele.
roots are in south London, Lennie,
is that what you based your new
drama you have written and starred
in, Save Me, there?
It is. It is
weird because when I was writing the
first three episodes, I was in
America writing them but when the
idea came, it was always an idea I
was going to set in London. I am a
south-west London boy and this is
set in south-east London button
area, New Cross and Deptford, where
I spent a lot of time, because I had
family there and I wanted to write a
thriller and I wanted to set it
someplace that thrillers aren't
normally set and I wanted it to be
populated by people who want usually
included in the telling of a
He said you came up with
the idea of it, it is about a
missing child but actually much more
of that, so what is the core of the
idea and what are you trying to tell
It is a thriller but also
the story of redemption and it is a
kind of tale of the price of
redemption, because the main
character is a man who is accused of
abducting his daughter and he sets
out to prove his innocence but also
to find the person who took there,
because the person who took her
pretended to be him so he sets out
on this almost impossible mission
and the story is about the affect it
has on him, the effect it has on his
immediate friends because whoever
took her is someone who knew a lot
about Nelly and finally the effect
it has on the community and the
effect it has on his relationship
with the mother of his daughter.
They haven't seen each other the
10-year sandbelt brought back
together for this rather sad thing.
It is a very strong cast and
Stephen, at the beginning, you play
your pub made, in a sense. What
gripped you about the script?
the complexity of the characters.
For me, it's very much an ensemble.
Obviously, you have a main character
who the story is about but there are
no small characters, each character
is completely integral and what
really gripped me was the thriller
aspect to it, Gena what I mean? You
want to know what happening, you
want to know where she is but a
longer journey, you also find out...
You get a look behind the closed
doors of the people on this estate
and juicy snippet of their lives.
And predominantly, without being
horrible in any way, shape or form,
most of the things that we see which
represent those kinds of people are
these people on the dole or these
different kind of factual
documentaries that we see, these
real life stories where cameras
following these people and it is
also Rangers this and benefits that
and that's not the way it is -- all
You talked about
the cast, Sue rang Jones stars as
your daughter's mother. We will talk
about the tense reunion -- see the
Why are you here?
think this could be me.
How? How could this be me?
It could be. And don't you come here
like that like I don't know you,
because I know you.
100 years ago,
It is still you.
be... Is it daunting when you are
writing this stuff, you are starring
in this thing and you have all of
these people effectively working on
your baby, how have you taken to
that than what is it like in that
I'll tell you, like, when
for example someone suggested
Stephen for one of the characters,
we will never get Stephen, he will
never come, even though he calls me
Uncle Lennie and Stephen said yes
and Suranne said yes and Jason
Fleming said yes and we had a
fantastic director in Nick Murphy
and when everybody comes to it, you
think I must have done something
right and you take confidence from
that and it is a really weird thing
when you walk into work on the first
day and there are 100, 120 people
working all because of you sat in a
room writing things on your
computer. And it is a really good
feeling and after that, it was just
gravy, everyone came in, wanted to
work, enjoying what they were doing
and we had a really good time in
south-east London for about three
We enjoyed it immensely,
Now, like many seaside towns,
Aberystwyth is home to a nightly
phenomenon which is either an
attraction or a curse depending on
your point of view.
And it starts just before dusk.
You see them arriving in October in
a few small groups around the town.
Mainly for me, it is hood up and run
up the prom!
You see this fantastic
spectacle and then you get the
And that is when I start to
get a bit twitchy.
get a bit twitchy.
I was a student
at Aberystwyth University and people
on the pier were looking for staff.
22 years later, I am the general
I used to come to the pier,
to the nightclub, when I was a
teenager and now, still, we come
here for a night out.
It is a
special place, it is difficult to
I have been photographing now
since 1980. I do have an obsession
about the starlings in Aberystwyth.
Every day, between October and
March, I have to be here. I can't
not come and see the starlings.
Thinking back to when I first
started, I guess I didn't take much
notice of the starlings, it was just
winter is here and here come the
starlings and how many will there be
Oh, the starlings. We do
enjoy watching them, but mainly from
We have a number of paying
customers and then we have our
arrive about half an hour before
I refer to them as having
little squadrons coming in.
start flying above the pier and then
more groups will join them.
must be tens of thousands of them.
There are too many. They would
pebble dashed appear. You would
people walking down the street and
think they were being attacked by
machine guns -- pebble dash the
pier. All of this coming from the
The timing is usually as we are
walking to the pier after work and
they are all coming in at the same
It is just that sheer magical
daily ritual that entrances me.
would just be crusty blanket art
heard you would have to clear.
Wouldn't anyone have a tiny problem
up that -- crusty blanket of of
It is lovely to watch, but
The attempted methods
to determine the starlings roosting
under the pier, one was flood
lights, a case of they may not sleep
but all the lie to did we show them
the very best roosting places.
is a genuinely awesome experience.
Gross carers, that was another
failed attempt. Hosepipes with holes
into sprinkle them was a nonstarter.
It is hypnotising on all sorts of
We zigzagged a yellow tape
on the pier and the starlings would
have it a wide berth but then we
fielded a few phone calls from
anxious members of the public asking
if the end of the pier was going to
In the rain, in the snow,
in the gales, any sort of weather,
you will find them. I am doing it
all the time, obsessively.
We are no longer battling the
starlings. You are not going to stop
them, you have actually just got to
They are one of the
major attractions of Aberystwyth.
There are very few urban starling
murmuration is in the UK, where you
can be in amongst the starlings as
they fly around.
People travel a long, long way to
view these murmuration is because
they are incredible.
pattern of these birds as they fly
in murmurations is a genuinely
awesome experience and I couldn't be
We are all mesmerised, we are still
talking about murmurations.
remember my nightclub days in the
pier and when you use to dance, the
floor would go up and down.
will talk more about your work
because you are both stars of two
massive TV shows out there, these
box sets that people download. Is it
all right to talk about Boardwalk
Empire? Stephen, how you got into it
in the first place, because this is
a big American production.
was kind of strange, I didn't have
much work going at time and that is
how it can be, bit of a lonely place
and all of a sudden this phone call
came from nowhere and it was my
manager in America and he asked me
would I be in to take a call from
Martin Scorsese's office.
have said, no, I'm not interested.
I'm busy! And I said of course and
he phoned back 20 minutes later and
it was Marty on the phone and he
said, what are you doing? Not much
at the minute. How have you been? I
said I am good, because I had worked
with him on Gangs Of New York and he
said I have this thing for you, we
start in two months so I will send
you all the stuff out and I'm sure
you would like to be interested and
I was like, yeah, OK. And he went,
oh, you are playing Al Capone, I'll
see you in a couple of months.
Cheers, Marty, bye-bye! And I
thought, what was that? I have no
idea, I think he wants the to play
Well, what a role, especially those
who have played before it, and
coming from Martin Scorsese.
And you, Lennie, you are in the huge
international hit The Walking Dead
and didn't you have this bizarre
experience when you are filming?
Because you are not one of the
No, I'm not, not yet,
I think you are
talking about when I came back in
season three, because I did the
first-ever episode and I was gone to
seasons and when I came back, they
wanted to keep it secret. We shoot
in Atlanta, about 50 minutes outside
of Atlanta but they stuck me an hour
and a half outside of Atlanta Noonan
and I stayed in a bed-and-breakfast
and the people who ran it had to
sign a confidentiality agreement
promised they would wouldn't tell
anyone I was staying with them and
their guests who were staying at the
B and B had to sign confidentially
agreement to say they wouldn't tell
anyone I was staying there and when
I went back and forward to set, I
had to go in a van with blacked out
Did anybody find out from
There are websites, their
whole job is to find spoilers for
The Walking Dead. I think there is
one called Boiling Dead and that is
all they do so when I went outside
during takes, they would have this
screen and is poor guy would have to
walk around hiding me. I was like,
surely this is not necessary?
is where we will finish, thank you
Poko and please come back and see us
again. A round of applause for
everybody. Both series available on
Sky Atlantic and Now TV -- saved me
We will be backward Elke Brooks and
the launch of my Mother of All
Challenges Sport Relief and we will
have these guys. Good night.