20/02/2018 The One Show

Hello and welcome to

The One Show with Alex Jones.

And Matt Baker.

We've two fellas making their debuts

on the show tonight,

lovely guys by all accounts.

It's just that something seems

to happen when the camera turns on.

And this is England.

You are not

bringing that thing in here.

Want to

see if I've got the minerals?

Looking much more

chilled out tonight -

it's Stephen Graham and Lennie

James!

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Lennie, Stephen told us

he calls you Uncle Lennie,

so you must have a softer side?

I don't even know where it came

from.

Your a few years older than

me, it's just your general

demeanour.

I'm an old man!

Note, you

are loving, extremely sensitive and

someone you can rely on.

Who are you

and what have you done with Stephen

Graham? I tell everyone he calls me

uncle Lennie, a good mate.

We are

getting a flavour of you because

that's what we are used to. How far

from the tough persona are you?

Extremely, I'd like to say.

I have

seen you on CBeebies doing the

bedtime stories!

Yes, I loved doing

CBeebies. I'm completely different

to the characters I play.

What is

the story behind this?

The story

behind that is my wife, Hannah. It

is her fault.

Why?

Because she

thought it would be a good idea for

me to do it and generally anything

she says I do. It's about showing

another side to me I suppose.

We're

going to keep you nice and relaxed

tonight, which is the idea.

But just how relaxed would you feel

if you had to drastically cut

down your use of plastic?

Today's news that plastic particles

have been found in three quarters

of deep ocean fish reminds us

what a critical point

we have reached.

No wonder so many families

are trying their best

to find alternatives.

The Proud family from Manchester all

have hectic lives. But mum Louise,

dad Wayne and daughters 15-year-old

Macy and 11-year-old Amber found

time to take on the challenge close

to my heart. Are you ready to go

plastic free? I want them to reduce

their single use disposable plastic

consumption for a whole week and

record how they get on with video

diaries. But first I want to find

out how much plastic they currently

use.

When I cook a meal it is just a

load of plastic so I've been

shopping today and

shopping today and everything is in

plastic bottles. Everything is just

in plastic, and it is concerning.

Like most families they don't feel

they have a choice to use plastic.

Dad Wayne is in charge of the

recycling. But not all plastic is

easily recycled. Can I look in the

rubbish bin?

If you must!

We have

this flimsy plastic here. When is

this from?

Today.

And it isn't just

at home...

We get milk in plastic

bottles with straws in them and

every day we throw them in the

rubbish bin.

I'm interested in

personal care products, moisturiser,

shampoo...

Make up wipes.

Make up

wipes are woven together with

plastic. What's wrong with a

flannel?

So can they go without single use

plastic for a whole week or is it

just too convenient? They begin the

week with some success.

Instead of

using face wipes I am using a

flannel.

And Louise ditches her

plastic plate... But at the

supermarket reality hits.

All

plastic, I haven't got to anything

yet that hasn't got plastic on it.

Midweek and the cupboards become

bare so Wayne takes the kids food

shopping. This time he ditches the

supermarket in favour of a shop in

Bolton selling produce without

plastic packaging.

Do we just put

everything in the basket?

If you are

happy to, we would love that.

There's paper bags for loose items.

After visiting the bakers and

butchers they are still plastic free

but it's not as convenient as the

supermarket.

We have done quite a

few miles and nearly three hours.

Today the girls went into the shop

to buy carrots like this, which they

were very excited about. It is

bizarre in this day the kids are

excited to buy vegetables that is

not packaged.

The children are so

excited, Amber

excited, Amber decides to tackle the

problem of plastic milk bottles and

straws at her school.

What I would

like to think about is how we can

use other things.

Raise your hands

now if you are for Amber's idea.

Fantastic. It will be our job to

make sure it is implemented.

Macy

checks her parents are still toeing

the line.

What do you think you are

doing there?

And cleaning.

With

plastics?

Yes, but it is reusable.

The other day I got the bleach

bottle, filled it up to there and

with water.

But has she caught dad

out?

What is all of this plastic?

Pineapple!

No, what is this?

There

was no other choice than what was

there. It is difficult to get meet

that isn't in plastic from the

supermarket.

Experiment over but

what impact has it hard? I'm back to

find out. I'm seeing more glass and

tins, less plastic but not a huge

reduction. How has it been?

Hard, I

have been dreaming about plastic!

Has this week been more expensive?

From what to what?

We normally spend

about £100, I think it has been 120.

He wouldn't have been able to do

this challenge if you shopped in the

supermarkets where you normally

shop, it wouldn't have worked, would

it?

No, they have addressed plastic

bags, now they need to address

plastic in the store.

So Louise, Wayne, Macy

and Amber, welcome.

That was brilliant. As Lucy said, it

is because the supermarket, it is

very difficult because everything

comes in packaging. You drove three

hours and all you got was a dirty

carrot which is fine but it's not

sustainable on a day-to-day basis

for a family like you so what needs

to be done to make this easier for

everybody?

We need to get that of

plastic basically out of the

supermarkets. It's everywhere so you

need to reduce it massively.

Everywhere you go to is plastic.

Lucy basically went through your

whole house so as far as the

categories are concerned, beauty

products and whatever, what was the

hardest area to cut back on? You

think food?

For me, make up products

because I couldn't find any that

didn't contain a small bit of

plastic. It maybe a glass bottle but

it still had a plastic lid.

Have you

looked at websites where you can buy

make up products that are in

recyclable stuff.

I have looked at

it but I don't know if I'm willing

to pay that much to get a plastic

bottle that is recyclable.

Fair

enough.

Amber, we saw you with your

school friends so what have your

school teachers said to you?

We are

trying to change it and make a

difference on how we are using milk

because the plastic, it's the

plastic lids and the straws that are

bad but we are trying to replace

them and figure out a way we can do

it, getting in touch with the milk

company.

Good, because everyone in

your class was on board, weren't

they? You were talking about meat

saying that the hardest thing to

come by that is not in plastic but

as a family are you going to stick

with this?

Definitely.

I'm dreaming

about plastic. I have got my own

back we make now, we enjoyed making

those. I've got my straws, we need

to change straws from plastic to

paper, that's a big one for me so

I'm on a mission.

Maisie, you must

be noticing plastic everywhere right

now.

Literally everywhere. School,

everywhere. It is hard when you go

into shock and not just see plastic,

getting a snack or bottle of water,

you have to check everything to see

if it is recyclable.

And obviously

you don't want to be continuing when

you are mum's age. It has to stop.

Yes because in the future I see a

future where people don't care any

more. Plastic will be in the oceans,

we will have less fish and my

children won't understand what it's

like not to have a world full of

plastic and I don't agree with it.

We could change it so

We could change it so easily, even

changing bins around streets not

just a general waste but recyclable

ones as well as general waste.

Do

you want to go and work with the

Lucy?

That was so eloquently said

and you should be proud.

The pair of

them have done amazing.

That was

cracking the way you put that.

We

are in the hands of the next

generation, that's what we need,

definitely.

definitely. The congratulations are

going to continue now.

We've got to say congratulations

to League One's Wigan,

who knocked Manchester City out

of the FA Cup last night in a real

old-fashioned giant killing.

The winner was scored

by Will Grigg, a man who's been

immortalised in song.

COMMENTATOR: A lot of people would

have known the song better than they

knew his face!

Free from desire,

that was the song.

Football chants have a mixed history

with some spreading racial

and religious bigotry.

Which is why what's

happening in Liverpool

at the moment is so interesting.

Here's Mehreen.

Here at Anfield, football is

worshipped like a religion and the

stadium is its cathedral. There are

lots of songs sung on the terraces,

but a recent one is

uncharacteristically different. It

is catchy and in honour of Egyptian

international Mohammed Salah, and it

has gone viral. It not only embraces

the man for his talents on the field

but also for his religion. Football

has had problems with sectarian and

racist chanting but this song is the

complete opposite. Have you heard

the new football chant about Salah?

Yes, we have.

What do you think

about it?

We think it's positive

because we are not racist people.

What was your reaction when you

first heard it?

A bit shocked. It is

quite sensitive thing, quite a

personal thing to be just thrown

around like that.

I saw it and I was

like here we go again, another

controversial chant but they are

just adding the word in for shock

value. They could have just said I

will become a footballer too.

As

long as he's a red, that's all we

care about.

Supporters can loosen up

their vocal chords before a match

here on Anfield Road.

When you are

hearing it, you cannot stop singing

it and when you go to bed you can't

get to sleep because it is in your

head, just singing it all the time.

It's great!

What do you think about

including religion in songs at

football games?

If it brings faiths

together it has got to be a good

thing.

It's not a fan base, it is a

family. Whether you are white,

black, Asian, African, Caribbean,

whatever.

Adopted Scouser Adam is a

Muslim chaplain who loves the song

and the message it sends out.

I was

chanting it myself...

# If he's good enough for you,

he's good enough for me

# If he scores another few

then I'll be Muslim too

# If he's good enough for you,

he's good enough for me

# He's sitting in a mosque,

that's where I want to be.

Usually you expect negative things

but on this occasion it has been

positive. What's especially pleasing

to me is the words they chose to

use. You think thank God, finally,

the person's religion is being

mentioned as a positive aspects. It

really made me smile.

# If he's good enough for you, he's

good enough for me.

# If he's sitting in the mosque,

that's where I want to be. I'm

tempted to go to Anfield and join in

the chanting.

And well, watching that would

interest, Stephen, you are a

lifelong Liverpool fan and you said

are you we going to show the picture

and the answer is yes! There you are

aged six. Have you heard this song

before, are you familiar with it,

what you saw there?

No, I don't

really get a chance to go to many

Liverpool games but I heard it early

on and I think of that is not

integration, then I don't know what

is. It's got that bit of humour

about it but it is with great

intent.

It's everything that is good

about being in the stands at a

football game. It's got all the

sense of humour, it's inclusive and

it's a group of people who probably

wouldn't have much to say to each

other on a day-to-day basis but when

they are all stood together cheering

their team, it is the same bond, it

is the reason I go to football. And

Harry Kane. Moussa Dembele.

Your

roots are in south London, Lennie,

is that what you based your new

drama you have written and starred

in, Save Me, there?

It is. It is

weird because when I was writing the

first three episodes, I was in

America writing them but when the

idea came, it was always an idea I

was going to set in London. I am a

south-west London boy and this is

set in south-east London button

area, New Cross and Deptford, where

I spent a lot of time, because I had

family there and I wanted to write a

thriller and I wanted to set it

someplace that thrillers aren't

normally set and I wanted it to be

populated by people who want usually

included in the telling of a

thriller.

He said you came up with

the idea of it, it is about a

missing child but actually much more

of that, so what is the core of the

idea and what are you trying to tell

with it?

It is a thriller but also

the story of redemption and it is a

kind of tale of the price of

redemption, because the main

character is a man who is accused of

abducting his daughter and he sets

out to prove his innocence but also

to find the person who took there,

because the person who took her

pretended to be him so he sets out

on this almost impossible mission

and the story is about the affect it

has on him, the effect it has on his

immediate friends because whoever

took her is someone who knew a lot

about Nelly and finally the effect

it has on the community and the

effect it has on his relationship

with the mother of his daughter.

They haven't seen each other the

10-year sandbelt brought back

together for this rather sad thing.

It is a very strong cast and

Stephen, at the beginning, you play

your pub made, in a sense. What

gripped you about the script?

It was

the complexity of the characters.

For me, it's very much an ensemble.

Obviously, you have a main character

who the story is about but there are

no small characters, each character

is completely integral and what

really gripped me was the thriller

aspect to it, Gena what I mean? You

want to know what happening, you

want to know where she is but a

longer journey, you also find out...

You get a look behind the closed

doors of the people on this estate

and juicy snippet of their lives.

And predominantly, without being

horrible in any way, shape or form,

most of the things that we see which

represent those kinds of people are

these people on the dole or these

different kind of factual

documentaries that we see, these

real life stories where cameras

following these people and it is

also Rangers this and benefits that

and that's not the way it is -- all

scroungers this.

You talked about

the cast, Sue rang Jones stars as

your daughter's mother. We will talk

about the tense reunion -- see the

tense reunion.

Why are you here?

You

think this could be me.

Please give

her back.

How? How could this be me?

It could be. And don't you come here

like that like I don't know you,

because I know you.

100 years ago,

maybe.

It is still you.

It must

be... Is it daunting when you are

writing this stuff, you are starring

in this thing and you have all of

these people effectively working on

your baby, how have you taken to

that than what is it like in that

situation?

I'll tell you, like, when

for example someone suggested

Stephen for one of the characters,

we will never get Stephen, he will

never come, even though he calls me

Uncle Lennie and Stephen said yes

and Suranne said yes and Jason

Fleming said yes and we had a

fantastic director in Nick Murphy

and when everybody comes to it, you

think I must have done something

right and you take confidence from

that and it is a really weird thing

when you walk into work on the first

day and there are 100, 120 people

working all because of you sat in a

room writing things on your

computer. And it is a really good

feeling and after that, it was just

gravy, everyone came in, wanted to

work, enjoying what they were doing

and we had a really good time in

south-east London for about three

months.

We enjoyed it immensely,

didn't we?

Now, like many seaside towns,

Aberystwyth is home to a nightly

phenomenon which is either an

attraction or a curse depending on

your point of view.

And it starts just before dusk.

You see them arriving in October in

a few small groups around the town.

Mainly for me, it is hood up and run

up the prom!

You see this fantastic

spectacle and then you get the

smell.

And that is when I start to

get a bit twitchy.

get a bit twitchy.

I was a student

at Aberystwyth University and people

on the pier were looking for staff.

22 years later, I am the general

manager.

I used to come to the pier,

to the nightclub, when I was a

teenager and now, still, we come

here for a night out.

It is a

special place, it is difficult to

beat.

I have been photographing now

since 1980. I do have an obsession

about the starlings in Aberystwyth.

Every day, between October and

March, I have to be here. I can't

not come and see the starlings.

Thinking back to when I first

started, I guess I didn't take much

notice of the starlings, it was just

winter is here and here come the

starlings and how many will there be

this year?

Oh, the starlings. We do

enjoy watching them, but mainly from

inside.

We have a number of paying

customers and then we have our

feathered freeloaders.

The starlings

arrive about half an hour before

sunset.

I refer to them as having

little squadrons coming in.

They

start flying above the pier and then

more groups will join them.

There

must be tens of thousands of them.

There are too many. They would

pebble dashed appear. You would

people walking down the street and

think they were being attacked by

machine guns -- pebble dash the

pier. All of this coming from the

sky!

The timing is usually as we are

walking to the pier after work and

they are all coming in at the same

time.

It is just that sheer magical

daily ritual that entrances me.

It

would just be crusty blanket art

heard you would have to clear.

Wouldn't anyone have a tiny problem

up that -- crusty blanket of of

turd.

It is lovely to watch, but

from inside.

The attempted methods

to determine the starlings roosting

under the pier, one was flood

lights, a case of they may not sleep

but all the lie to did we show them

the very best roosting places.

Which

is a genuinely awesome experience.

Gross carers, that was another

failed attempt. Hosepipes with holes

into sprinkle them was a nonstarter.

It is hypnotising on all sorts of

levels.

We zigzagged a yellow tape

on the pier and the starlings would

have it a wide berth but then we

fielded a few phone calls from

anxious members of the public asking

if the end of the pier was going to

fall off.

In the rain, in the snow,

in the gales, any sort of weather,

you will find them. I am doing it

all the time, obsessively.

We are no longer battling the

starlings. You are not going to stop

them, you have actually just got to

embrace them.

They are one of the

major attractions of Aberystwyth.

There are very few urban starling

murmuration is in the UK, where you

can be in amongst the starlings as

they fly around.

People travel a long, long way to

view these murmuration is because

they are incredible.

The mesmerising

pattern of these birds as they fly

in murmurations is a genuinely

awesome experience and I couldn't be

happier.

We are all mesmerised, we are still

talking about murmurations.

I

remember my nightclub days in the

pier and when you use to dance, the

floor would go up and down.

Well, we

will talk more about your work

because you are both stars of two

massive TV shows out there, these

box sets that people download. Is it

all right to talk about Boardwalk

Empire? Stephen, how you got into it

in the first place, because this is

a big American production.

Yes, it

was kind of strange, I didn't have

much work going at time and that is

how it can be, bit of a lonely place

and all of a sudden this phone call

came from nowhere and it was my

manager in America and he asked me

would I be in to take a call from

Martin Scorsese's office.

You should

have said, no, I'm not interested.

I'm busy! And I said of course and

he phoned back 20 minutes later and

it was Marty on the phone and he

said, what are you doing? Not much

at the minute. How have you been? I

said I am good, because I had worked

with him on Gangs Of New York and he

said I have this thing for you, we

start in two months so I will send

you all the stuff out and I'm sure

you would like to be interested and

I was like, yeah, OK. And he went,

oh, you are playing Al Capone, I'll

see you in a couple of months.

Cheers, Marty, bye-bye! And I

thought, what was that? I have no

idea, I think he wants the to play

Al Capone!

Well, what a role, especially those

who have played before it, and

coming from Martin Scorsese.

And you, Lennie, you are in the huge

international hit The Walking Dead

and didn't you have this bizarre

experience when you are filming?

Because you are not one of the

zombies.

No, I'm not, not yet,

anyway!

Spoiler!

I think you are

talking about when I came back in

season three, because I did the

first-ever episode and I was gone to

seasons and when I came back, they

wanted to keep it secret. We shoot

in Atlanta, about 50 minutes outside

of Atlanta but they stuck me an hour

and a half outside of Atlanta Noonan

and I stayed in a bed-and-breakfast

and the people who ran it had to

sign a confidentiality agreement

promised they would wouldn't tell

anyone I was staying with them and

their guests who were staying at the

B and B had to sign confidentially

agreement to say they wouldn't tell

anyone I was staying there and when

I went back and forward to set, I

had to go in a van with blacked out

windows.

Did anybody find out from

the cast?

There are websites, their

whole job is to find spoilers for

The Walking Dead. I think there is

one called Boiling Dead and that is

all they do so when I went outside

during takes, they would have this

screen and is poor guy would have to

walk around hiding me. I was like,

surely this is not necessary?

That

is where we will finish, thank you

Poko and please come back and see us

again. A round of applause for

everybody. Both series available on

Sky Atlantic and Now TV -- saved me

it available.

We will be backward Elke Brooks and

the launch of my Mother of All

Challenges Sport Relief and we will

have these guys. Good night.