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Hello and welcome to

The One Show with Matt Baker.

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And Angellica Bell.

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We've got two of the UK's top

criminal barristers here tonight

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who have prosecuted and defended

in some high profile cases and now

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they have a new job.

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Working with families whose

relatives were tried and hanged

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for historic crimes which they might

have been innocent of.

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Our first guest has played

a murderer and a murder victim

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but he's recently been showing

us his funny side.

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The jury's out on his

singing though.

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# I never thought I could feel this

way and I have got to say...

He has

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to make toast under another woman's

Grill. This tastes better than bath

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water. He demands a helicopter to

Alton Towers?

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# Everybody deserves a happy ending,

but we don't even try.

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I don't think it is that bad. It is

Christopher Ecclestone.

We have all

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enjoyed you. Looe that was character

saying. I have got a good voice, but

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he has not. Have you enjoyed playing

that?

We laugh along with you. I

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never play roles like that, I am

always a misery guts, so it has been

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a joy to play that. All those lines

written by the writer, it is about

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the writer.

Would you like to do

more comedy roles?

Yes, I would like

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to keep it out of my personal life

and into my working life.

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and into my working life.

You come

from the north-west of England.

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You come from the

north-west of England.

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Not everything is blooming

for the property market there,

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because some housing developments

just aren't what they seem.

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One story we've been

following for a while has seen homes

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being sold that were substandard

and in some cases didn't even exist.

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Five years ago dozens of people

contacted us to complain about

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property developer from a fresh

Start Living.

There were flies and

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maggots everywhere and they got in

the flat below.

This is the open

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sewer pipe which is disgusting.

That

is disgusting. Karen told us she

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bought a flat which was then

converted into a communal kitchen

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for the building without her

permission.

Where the bed should be

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I have now got bridges.

Others told

me their apartments had not even

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been built, yet when I confronted

the company's director, Charlie

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Cunningham, you was keen to put

things right.

I am doing everything

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I can at the moment to get it sorted

out.

But just a few months later it

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went bust, leaving debts of hundreds

of thousands of pounds. This is one

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of their old buildings in Manchester

and when I was last here everyone

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was told to get out for their own

safety. Look at it now. It is still

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a mess. Anita bought a £60,000

one-bedroom flat here from Fresh

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Start Living, just six months before

the building was shut down. What

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were you told at the time about what

was happening?

Nothing, I contacted

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Charlie Cunningham. What response

did you get?

No reply. After the

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company's demise, a new company,

Absolute Living Developments,

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brought the new building. Did that

mean with a new owner she could move

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back in? Unfortunately not.

My flat

is gutted. All my belongings have

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gone.

Where have they gone?

I don't

know. Why did they trespass on my

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property without consulting me?

And

you lost money?

Yes, everything, I

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have worked hard.

Others have had

the same experience and we have

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discovered that Absolute Living

Developments was busy selling new

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buyers off plan apartment in the

same development and they were

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selling other flats in a location

across the way. They have also gone

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bust, leaving millions of pounds per

worth of debt. What is going on?

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Chris paid Absolute Living

Developments a £40,000 deposit for a

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flat at the back of a's building,

but it has never been built.

I am

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left with uncertainty and questions

about what has happened.

Chris found

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out where his money had gone.

I

thought I was paying to the

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developers, but as it transpires the

money was transferred to another

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company.

Other buyers we spoke to

also confirm that their money was

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sent to the corporate investment

firm DS seven. Its director is none

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other than Mr Charlie Cunningham.

Could he really be involved in this

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mess once again? It is not just

buyers here who so far have nothing

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to show for their money. More than

300 buy to let investors across Asia

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paid 50% down payment on flats in

the UK. Again, the bulk of the money

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went to DS seven.

I spent two years

waiting for this building to come

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through. I have lost all of my

investment.

It greatly undermined

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people's confidence in the UK

property market as well as the legal

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system.

Liquidator Louise Britain is

trying to get to the bottom of what

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happened with ALD.

There is a lot of

money that has come through this

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company.

Have you got any idea at

all where any of the money has gone?

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That is what we are looking at,

where the money came from and where

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the money flowed through any of the

companies and banking transactions.

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In September last year, Louise took

her findings to the High Court and

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obtained a freezing order on the

assets of Mr Cunningham and four

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other parties. The liquidator

alleges Mr Cunningham's company DS

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seven received payments of over £40

million from ALD over a two-year

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period and he personally received

£1.4 million from companies

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associated with ALD. But does this

offer any help to the growing list

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of creditors?

The authorities should

be looking into this and try to

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untangle this complicated web.

I

want an answer from Charlie

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Cunningham will stop we are

searching for answers.

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searching for answers.

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Thanks, Angela.

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We have had a response

from Mr Cunningham.

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He does not deny receiving some

money from Absolute Living

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Developments but claims he was owed

it and therefore did

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not do anything wrong.

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He vehemently denies

all the allegations

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made by the liquidator,

blames the downfall of the company

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on the Malaysian directors and says

he never had anything to do

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with the running of the business.

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Investigations are still ongoing

and there is expected to be

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a trial later this year.

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No doubt Angela will keep us up to

date. Christopher, we mentioned at

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the start of the show The A Word.

Singing like a bird. Singing like a

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bird, but playing a widow, are you

becoming a role model?

I have always

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been a role model for mail thanks.

It is an unusual story, it is a

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three parter and the first episode

is from the man's point of view and

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his truth. The second episode is

from the woman's point of view and

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territory. In divorce as there are

always at least two. The third

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episode is the resolution of that

and it is a custody battle. But it

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is like The A Word. It is a very

serious matter and people don't want

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to see a soapbox. So there is a

great humour in it, which was

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attractive to me. There are a lot of

light moments in it as well which

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helps the pill go down.

Let's take a

look at the Greg tucking in his

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daughter for the night.

I wish you

were not going.

It will only be a

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couple of hours. Go to sleep. Who

are you meeting?

Just a friend.

Who?

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Miss nosy, an old friend, lie down.

I want mummy to come home.

I

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promise, I really promise.

I love

that. It gets you.

She is a

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fantastic actress.

Tell us more

about the character Greg.

He is an

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ordinary working man, whatever that

means. He has got a small business,

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he is a mechanic, he adores his wife

and she decides to leave the

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marriage for a very good reasons

which he cannot see. In a sense Greg

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has imprisoned her by not

understanding all of her needs. But

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he is so focused on just being a

family man that he has failed to see

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her as an individual.

Do you think

this drama will make people take

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sides? It is celebrating a single

father and it is a woman who has

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left the family and her home.

It is

very provocative role, really. The

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idea to society that a woman would

walk out on her children is very

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challenging, but I think the female

character is very brave because she

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is so unhappy that she realises if

she does not make herself happy she

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will not be able to parent

successfully. And at the same time

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she acknowledges the deep love that

her husband has for the children and

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vice versa. She does not want to

wreck that, but she also wants her

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own autonomy, so she is incredibly

heroic. Some people will judge her

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harshly, but that always happens to

women, always. The woman always gets

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the rougher deal, not legally, but

in terms of society and perceptions.

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We are putting that in front of an

audience to challenge them and

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nobody comes a rosy. They both have

great areas and both of their grey

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areas have a foreground.

We all have

them. A very interesting project to

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be involved in if people will be

viewing it in that way. It is coming

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to BBC One this spring.

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It is coming to BBC One this spring.

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When videos of screaming children

on flights go viral online,

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it's no surprise that a quarter

of a million parents say they avoid

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flying with their children so as not

to be "parent shamed".

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And you are one of those.

I have

never been on a flight with my

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children.

It is not that bad.

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It is not that bad.

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I'm sure everyone can relate to this

whether or not they have children.

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Some people are now calling

for child-free flights.

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Here is someone else who has not

taken my children on a plane, it is

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my husband Michael.

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What do the Flyers think about the

current viral videos of babies

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crying on planes?

Here comes a

screaming baby.

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screaming baby.

For some people this

is an absolute nightmare, but why?

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After all, they are just children.

Should we expect them to be like

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this? I am a father, I know.

I have

seen it from both sides where I have

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had passengers with children and

they have been asked to move because

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they are not happy with the noise,

but you don't what the parents to

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know that they don't like their

kids.

I find it irritating.

Have you

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been on a flight with an upset

child?

It is irritating, but we have

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grandchildren who do the same.

As a

parent myself and on flights with

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screaming kids, you feel really

guilty and you feel more stress

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because you are trying to quieten

your child and they are not having

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any of it.

The most annoying people

on flights are adults playing the

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fool.

Back in 2016 budget Indian

airline Indigo introduced a ban

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which stopped anyone under the age

of 12 from sitting in certain areas

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on the flight. What could be done

about it? Some have suggested

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childfree zones on planes. Would

children put up with those

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restrictions?

I have been on a

flight with friends and we were in

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the seas behind.

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the seas behind. If you start

segregating, children will never

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learn.

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learn.

Especially a baby screaming,

I don't know how well that would go

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down, that might just not be

creating the right areas. How do you

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monitor it?

What about paying more

for your tickets to guarantee no

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children on the fly?

What do you

think? You would have to have less

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flights for parents and families and

I'm not sure if that is fair.

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Parents are the people with the

kids. There will always be something

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that frustrates you. Just breathe

through it and get on with your

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life.

Get your own plain, simple as

that? How difficult can that be?

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Both you and your husband have

talked about it. You have to take

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your children on a plane.

But you

have said people have said things to

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you.

Yes, they have and it made my

blood run cold. There was nearly a

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major incident. I care for my

children.

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children.

We have a couple of

barristers here.

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Sasha Wass and Jeremy Dein

are here, you may have

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seen their names in the newspapers.

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Sasha prosecuted Rolf Harris

and Jeremy defended Tulisa.

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You are both involved in this new

BBC series. It is very, very

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exciting. Jeremy, where does it

start, what is the idea with it?

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There are ten death penalty cases.

They span the last 125 years. They

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are an investigation into the

quality of the evidence, using

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modern-day techniques. There is a

family member LinkedIn throughout,

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and they are a fascinating insight

to the development of the criminal

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justice process over a very long

period of time.

It is quite an

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emotive series, you look at ten

individual cases but you actually

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have contact with family members of

those involved.

That is what brings

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it to light, because you have some

people, who have known about the

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hanging and the stigma of what

happened all their lives, others

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learned much more recently. But even

for those who only learned in the

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last few years, they suddenly became

emotional, they wanted to vindicate

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their relation. It became a passion,

a cause that they had.

There is a

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different case every programme,

let's talk about the death of

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Frederick Bryant on Monday's

programme. From 1935, why did you

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want to reopen this case?

Charlotte

Bryant was the defendant, she was

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hanged for the poisoning of

Frederick Bryant. This is a truly

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fascinating case, not just because

it was a poisoning case, but because

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the defendant was a woman, and it

involves putting the spotlight on

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how women were perceived, and how in

particular women from the lowest

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echelons of society were perceived.

So it is a truly fascinating case,

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and it involves many, many facets

that I think the public will find

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intriguing.

And what evidence were

you looking at?

This all turned on

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the evidence of arsenic, because the

cause of death was arsenic

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poisoning, so we learned a lot about

arsenic being a woman's weapon of

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choice in those days, how was

detected, how it was administered,

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and we were able to speak to

toxicologists, and find out an awful

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lot about life in those days.

Arsenic was freely available. Rat

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poison, weedkiller, anyone could get

it.

Charlotte, the lady you are

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talking about, wrote a last-minute

plea for mercy. In this series, it

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is read by her grandson.

It is

actually really difficult for me.

Do

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you want me to read it?

Thank you.

She says, sir, may I respectfully

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beg for your mercy in my case. The

date of my execution has been fixed

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for Wednesday next, July 15. And I

am not guilty of the offence I am

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charged with. I humbly beg for the

sake of my little children to spare

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my life. I remain, yours

respectfully, Charlotte Bryant, and

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that is thought to be the last time

that she wrote her name.

Dear me.

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You can clearly see this is

emotional.

That letter says it all,

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it brings home that we were dealing

with the death penalty here, and an

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extraordinarily cruel and barbaric

concept.

So in the event that you

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all agree there has been a

miscarriage of justice, Jeremy, what

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happens next? What steps can be

taken?

Well, I think where it was

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thought that a miscarriage of

justice might have occurred, then it

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is open towards Mike Rowe relatives

to pursue the situation through the

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courts. It is a very -- it is open

to the relatives to pursue the

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situation through the courts. This

is a very complex affair, it may be

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possible for some, not for others,

but doors are open, though there is

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another aspect.

Another aspect was

that the programme itself, and the

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process, provided closure for the

families, because they saw what the

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evidence was, they saw that it being

analysed again. We updated them

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throughout the programme, and

whatever the conclusion, at least

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they felt that their relation's case

had been properly looked at in

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modern-day times.

The emotion they

showed was quite extraordinary,

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bearing in mind that many of his

relatives didn't know the person

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concerned.

You can understand it,

though, you can feel it. Fascinating

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programme.

I will definitely be

watching.

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Murder, Mystery and My Family starts

on Monday on BBC One at 9.15am.

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It is also on the iPlayer.

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As one of Downing Street's more

colourful characters,

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Labour MP and former Chancellor

of the Exchequer Denis Healey

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revelled in the fun

of the political game.

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And as his son Tim explains,

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he was always happy

to play the fool at home.

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One frame from my mother rang all

through my childhood, whenever dad

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was larking around, whether it was

on or off screen, the cry was,

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Denis, don't!

Denis Healey.

As

Chancellor of the Exchequer, people

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have referred to him as the best

Prime Minister we never had.

That's

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what it means, and that is what I'm

asking for, that is what I will

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negotiate for!

My father was

irrepressible. This is a house in

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north London where my sisters Jane,

Cress and I spent most of our

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childhood. The owner's kindly

letting me in so I can take another

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look. While! The configurations is

very much the same, and in some

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strange way, the ambience is the

same. Dad had this fantastic last

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for life. One of those things was

with any visiting friends of ours,

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you would grab them by the arms, and

whirling them around at ferocious

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speed! My mother, in the background,

always present. Denis, don't! He was

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just an MP in the early days, a

bright young Labour MP, on the up.

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In 1964, Harold Wilson made him

Defence Secretary. Ten years after

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that, the became Chancellor of the

Exchequer, and the next move was to

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11 Downing St. He did a lot of good

stuff, the most important thing was

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keeping the British economy afloat

during a very troubled period. He

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did acknowledge there was a streak

in himself of what he called brutal

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facetiousness. He was a great

photographer, and although he was a

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big, Floros personality, nonetheless

I think a lot of quieter tenderness

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comes through. Nice little one here

I think we've got of us building a

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snowman in the back garden. He loved

the outdoor life, he loved the

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family camping holidays he took us

on. We discovered, recently, that

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the paper girl who delivered here

was one Sarah Macauley, better known

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today, perhaps, as Sarah Brown, the

wife of former Prime Minister,

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Gordon Brown.

This is first time I

have been this far into the house. I

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would have been doing this paper

round at the beginning of secondary

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school, 12 or 13 years old. All of

those papers would stack up and on

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Sunday was the super bumper pile,

and for your dad, I think he ordered

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every single newspaper available.

Do

you missed the limelight?

Having

0:22:490:22:55

been in the public eye, it never

goes away. I am Sarah Macauley in my

0:22:550:23:02

head.

Did dad kept at Christmas?

I

can't believe, having met your dad

0:23:020:23:08

in Morrison years, that he wouldn't

have been a great tip.

Dad was a

0:23:080:23:13

really keen swimmer and often

brought us here, to the lied over.

0:23:130:23:17

He needed to unwind and one of his

great joys was swimming. He loved to

0:23:170:23:24

entertain. My sister made a murder

mystery film, involving all of us,

0:23:240:23:30

and mum and that threw themselves

into their parts with typical

0:23:300:23:32

relish. He really loved television.

I can't think of many other major

0:23:320:23:38

political figures who would have

coped so well with playing piano in

0:23:380:23:43

a TV special. And he really relished

being taken off by the

0:23:430:23:47

Impressionist, Mike Yarwood.

Yes,

Harold and I had lots of fun in

0:23:470:23:51

those days, even though we hardly

had any money. Later, he made me

0:23:510:23:55

Chancellor of the Exchequer, and we

had even less money.

LAUGHTER

0:23:550:23:59

We used to love walking on hamster

teeth, with dad yodelling out his

0:23:590:24:08

favourite theme tune for our jaunts,

the entry of the clowns, that famous

0:24:080:24:12

circus theme... The views from

Parliament Hill Fields are

0:24:120:24:19

absolutely fantastic. The skyline

has changed enormously since I was a

0:24:190:24:22

boy. Dad died at 98, two years short

of his hundredth birthday, and I

0:24:220:24:31

think it was his great ambition,

actually, even more than to be Prime

0:24:310:24:35

Minister, was to lift to 100. He

didn't quite make it, -- live to

0:24:350:24:41

100, but two years on we are there

now, and I can say it is happy

0:24:410:24:45

birthday, dad. APPLAUSE

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Thank you for sharing those lovely

memories. He has inherited the

0:24:500:24:54

eyebrows, hasn't he? And the voice.

It says a lot about him that

0:24:540:24:57

although he must have had an

incredibly stressful life at work,

0:24:570:25:00

those are the memories Tim has as a

dad at home.

Beautiful. What was it

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like growing up to you as a child,

Christopher?

I was very happy, I had

0:25:050:25:10

that kind of, huge amount of love

and laughter in my family. I had a

0:25:100:25:14

great childhood, really.

And you

have a wonderful little from your

0:25:140:25:20

parents, Shakespeare, the complete

works. Shall I tell everyone what

0:25:200:25:23

has been happening over the last two

and a half minutes?

Don't spoil it,

0:25:230:25:27

we will surprise everyone.

That I

won't say anything, just take it

0:25:270:25:31

away, whatever you want to do.

Trying to get in character. Hail

0:25:310:25:39

Macbeth, Hail to the, fading of

Calder.

I know I am fain have

0:25:390:25:42

glanced that power of Cawdor? Safe

from whence you owe this strange

0:25:420:25:50

intelligent and why you stop our way

upon this blasted heath. Speak, I

0:25:500:25:56

charge you.

Seek to know no more.

Bit of live Shakespeare there.

0:25:560:26:05

Loving your work!

You saw it here

first!

I will never be as good at

0:26:050:26:11

you.

I don't know.

RSCH, come on.

There is good reason we are talking

0:26:110:26:17

about Shakespeare because you are

deep in rehearsal for Macbeth.

Yes.

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When I was 17 I was in an amateur

production of Macbeth, and it toured

0:26:220:26:26

round the North West of England and

there was wine, women and song

0:26:260:26:29

involved in it. I had a small part

in it and I fell in love with the

0:26:290:26:35

lifestyle, but I fell in love with

the play. It is because of that play

0:26:350:26:38

that I became an actor. At 17 I have

this ridiculous notion that one day

0:26:380:26:43

I wanted to play Macbeth. It is a

true story, it sounds American, but

0:26:430:26:47

it's not.

It actually happened,

yeah.

I decided I will wanted to

0:26:470:26:52

play Macbeth at the Royal

Shakespeare Company, and at 504I

0:26:520:26:57

have managed to do it.

APPLAUSE

When I set off to drama school, my

0:26:570:27:05

mum and dad went to Marks &

Spencer's, which is The posh shop,

0:27:050:27:08

as you know, make bought me the

complete works of William

0:27:080:27:12

Shakespeare. The woman at the till

said, bloody hell, Shakespeare, you

0:27:120:27:16

too must be clever. My dad

apparently said, it is not for me,

0:27:160:27:20

it is my son, he is an actor. And my

mum took the Mickey because I was

0:27:200:27:25

nowhere near. My dad gave me my love

of language. My dad was a man for

0:27:250:27:31

his crosswords. He used to take his

dictionary out and he would pick a

0:27:310:27:34

word out, with the word out and say

isn't this a marvellous word? He had

0:27:340:27:38

a burning desire for language will

stop when he had his dementia,

0:27:380:27:42

sometimes if you got anxious,

because I'd played Hamlet and I

0:27:420:27:45

would sometimes do some of the

Hamblett things for him in the

0:27:450:27:48

Trafford centre and it would calm

him down.

He would be so proud of

0:27:480:27:52

you.

I am very proud of him,

actually, I was very proud of my

0:27:520:27:56

dad.

Macbeth opens at the Royal

Shakespeare Theatre on 13th March.

0:27:560:28:09

Best of luck with it.

Thank you very

much full stop

one reason why people

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love The A Word is because it is set

against the stunning background of

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the Lake District.

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famous for its fast flowing

becks and waterfalls.

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Patrick's been to another

of our spectacular natural parks,

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The Yorkshire Dales,

which is blessed with similar

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Rivers are a constantly changing

force of nature. If every British

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river was connected in one single,

meandering line, it would circle the

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Earth, twice. The Yorkshire Dales

national park has some of the

0:28:330:28:42

fastest flowing rivers in the UK,

and many spectacular waterfalls.

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This landscape is unpredictable. And

constantly changing. So only the

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most adaptable animals can thrive

here. One bird particularly well for

0:28:580:29:06

life in the falls is the dipper.

They're dipping and bobbing is

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thought to help them pinpoint

underwater prey, and with a meal in

0:29:120:29:16

sight, their unique river skill is

revealed. They can swim underwater.

0:29:160:29:25

Within large to preen glands, ten

times the size of other birds, they

0:29:250:29:29

can give their feathers the

essential waterproofing that they

0:29:290:29:33

need. Highly developed wing muscles

help them push against the currents.

0:29:330:29:37

Strong legs and feet provide grip,

and an additional eyelid protects

0:29:370:29:42

their eyes whilst underwater. It is

these unique adaptations that will

0:29:420:29:49

help the dippers survive the

approaching the river. Autumn has

0:29:490:29:57

arrived, and the leaves are on the

term. Injecting their burst of

0:29:570:30:01

colour into the river habitat. At

this time of year, rain is never far

0:30:010:30:07

away, and the first downfall of the

season has begun. Autumn brings with

0:30:070:30:14

it the UK's highest rainfall,

causing some rivers in the Dales to

0:30:140:30:19

rise three metres in just 20

minutes.

0:30:190:30:26

minutes. As the river rises, the

excess water of the falls comes

0:30:260:30:28

crashing down, and becomes a raging

torrent, heading straight for the

0:30:280:30:34

differs. It is such a chant up

riverbed, no matter how many times a

0:30:340:30:41

dipper dips and bobs, their

visibility is hampered, making it

0:30:410:30:45

extremely difficult to hunt, and

even they struggled to battle

0:30:450:30:51

against these new currents, and can

only stand and watch, as their meals

0:30:510:30:56

rush quickly passed. This inability

to hunt means many dippers won't

0:30:560:31:00

make it past their first year on the

river. Luckily, this autumn downfall

0:31:000:31:06

passes quickly, and the river

returns to its natural rhythm once

0:31:060:31:09

more. Allowing the dippers to

continue doing what they do best.

0:31:090:31:17

Beautiful.

Beautiful.

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Thanks to Christopher

for joining us.

0:31:190:31:24

Round of applause for Christopher.

Tomorrow,

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