26/03/2014 The One Show

Goodness me! Look at that. Hello and welcome to The One Show. More

Northern Soul dancing later, when we'll be talking to Lisa Stansfield,

who will be explaining why the Northern Soul movement is the

subject of a new film. Hence why we are dressed like this. But now two

guests whose recent projects have taken them all around the world and

they're also huge cat lovers. One has roamed the plains of Africa with

the king of the jungle. The other roams his living room. With the

Queen of the sofa. It's Martin Clunes and Dermot O'Leary! First off

- he's a pretty ferocious looking creature. Where did you find him

Dermot?! We've got two. My wife delivered them. They were stray cats

hanging around when we were on holidays. She must have tiny hands.

She had four kittens. How did you get them back over here? Oh, man.

You would not believe it. The Italian cat immigration system has a

lot to answer for. Is that the boy or girl? That is the little fellow.

They are coming up to a year old. We brought them back and went through

quarantine. The first time we took them to the vet. The Italians are

terrific. They were giving them injections and everything. The first

time we took them to the vet we were told they had not nearly enough

injections to be in the country. It is turning into animal hospital

this! We can't get enough of animals tonight, because George McGavin is

also here to tell us how he travelled the planet for some

amazing adventures with apes. In the papers today its been revealed that

drones are being used in the fight to stop elephants being poached for

their ivory in Kenya. Watch it happen to the ivory already in the

UK? The ivory trade, now internationally

condemned and illegal since 1989. In the UK you cannot buy anything made

from ivory unless it can be proved it was produced before 1947 -- 1987

hurricane it is estimated more than 40,000 elephants are killed every

year just for their tusks. That is the equivalent of one death every 15

minutes. I have made no secret of the fact that I find the ivory trade

is difficult to defend. But whether pieces like this should be consigned

to dust, I am not so sure. It was recently reported that the Duke of

Cambridge supported the destruction of the Royal library collection. As

a result, members of the public started sending their ivory to the

Born Free Foundation to be destroyed, too. We have got some of

it here. We are going to see it get trodden -- crushed. While ivory is

traded, could put a price on the head of every elephant. Elephants

will continue to die. But art experts and antiques dealers are

horrified. David Harper has been buying and selling ivory for 25

years. We want to stop elephant poaching. But that is a piece of

art. And the destruction of art for any reason is bonkers beyond belief.

The African elephant may not have long. Some experts believe it may

become extinct in just over a decade. But Wood destroying existing

ivory collections make any difference? We have brought both

parties together to debate the point. Selling this continues to

perpetuate the idea that ivory is desirable. That demand will

inevitably be met by elephants being poached in Africa. I am sorry to

interrupt. But a very big Chinese client of mine said to me, after I

discussed selling the Royal collection, if they destroy their

collection, in his collection will double in value. It is the Chinese

market. It is not us. They do not yet get the message. I say we take

the millions of pieces of illegal ivory and we swamped the Chinese

market. You have got to hit them where it hurts. In the pocket. The

problem with this is it will further stimulate demand into a market we

don't know, understand or control. There is some value. The Chinese

puzzle board is a piece of art. Most people would think destroying that

piece of art that took weeks or months to create, would be obscene.

You say destroying it would be obscene, and I say it is obscene. It

is from an elephant. Some of these examples are elegant and beautiful.

I am an two minds about them being crushed. I have brought if you

pieces to this car-boot sale to see what other people think. I can see

the beauty but I prefer to see the ivory on an elephant. If I tell you

this is going to be destroyed later on today, do you think that is a

waste? Yes, I do. It is there now, what is the point of destroying it?

Is that for sale? It is a nice material. What do people find

attractive? He likes it. I don't understand. A piece of dead wood,

carved. That's interesting and bringing light to an already

deceased object. This is not bringing life to anything. It is

bringing distress. Back at the Born Free Foundation, it is time to start

the crush. The Born Free Foundation has been given permission by the

Government to begin destroying the ivory it has been given. It comes

from death. It is all the negative stuff. Who wants death around their

house, however beautifully it is carved? Frankly I would rather have

a live elephant than a dead ornament. Every 15 minutes and

elephant is killed forests tusks to turn into trinkets. What is the

point? Well, that is most of the ivory crushed. How do you feel? I'm

genuinely sad. Sad that we have thrown several hundreds of pounds

down the drain. I am pleased. It sends a very powerful and important

message. I don't think I will get you to agree. We definitely want to

save elements. -- elephants. The issue has highlighted an interesting

moral dilemma. Would destroying all ivory antiques help save the

elephant? You can text. If you think destroying all ivory antiques would

save the elephant, text yes. You will be charged at your standard

message read. If you have any comments, e-mail them to the usual

address. Martin, where do you stand on this? I am a patron of the Born

Free Foundation and will Travers is my boss. I am also led by people who

know more than I do. But the gentleman was saying he was saddened

that the destruction of that because it was a piece of art. Which it is.

But there is no danger of us running out of pieces of art. There is a

real danger of running out of elephants. It is rather sick to see

elephants carved out of ivory. It is a tremendous idea because it may

destroy the market. It would certainly send out a fantastic

message. When I was in Africa making our Mugie film, we filmed an

elephant that have been poached. It was about eight or nine years old.

It had been knocked -- some ivory had been taken off for a phone card.

You have got young elephants who are not being taught to be elephants.

They are just wandering around. The whole balance of, certainly in

Kenya, has been upset. There are too many hyenas because there are too

many corpses. The predators are being poisoned by the herdsman. It

is all going wrong. If somebody says really loudly and clearly, does

something really shocking like destroying art, it may shake things

up. Prince William coming on board is about the best thing that has

happened. People listen to the Royal family. Dermott, agri-? Yes, I do.

Before I watched that I wasn't sure I did. But you spoke so eloquently

about it. When the chap first set, destroying art. We have been brought

up to think that is barbaric. Obviously destroying elephants is

far more barbaric. Martin was just saying as the film was going, I was

asking him what the situation was like and he said they were just

running wild. Certainly in Kenya. Huge fences need to be built. That

is the only way they will stay alive. You referred to your Mugie

film. Let's shed a little bit on that. Mugie is a lion? Yes, Mugie is

a lion. We made a film about a guy called Tony who worked with George

Adamson for about 18 years. There is Mugie. He set up a camp. When I was

a kid I grew up on those books. Virginia has probably heard me say

this a million times but it was the first film I ever saw. I read the

books. The idea that people could have a relationship with an animal

has sort of coloured the rest of my life in a way. So we thought by

telling the story of Tony's life, with the film of born free and the

birth of animal conservation, you would sort of tell the history of

conservation. It has really changed in 25 years. It is a completely

different ball game. Sadly, fences have to be built. Once you get over

that, you think, let's build a fence because everything inside it will be

safe. You watched Mugie grow up. This is the moment you and Tony meet

her for the first time. Look, he is playing hide and Seek.

Look at that. He knows Jamie. Hey, Mugie. Hey, boy. He has got nice

claws and teeth on him now. He does bite and scratch every now and

again. He does bite and scratch but yet he puts his hand in his mouth.

Very brave! It was weird seeing Tony. When Tony stopped working with

George, he got thrown out of Kenya. It was such a big thing for him to

be back with the lion. Did you ever see VUE chip -- the YouTube clip of

Christian the lion? Yes. Those two chaps bought this lion cub and it

grew. They called Bill Travers who called George Adamson, and they made

it happen. Bill made this lovely film. Christian was the first lion

that Tony got to work with. How does that work? With that lion then be

released? The concept is to take them out and walk them and teach

them how to be Lions. Teach them how to hunt. Will not be scared of

humans because of the close contact? No. The worry is then not being

scared of humans. You have to take them a long way from humans. But it

can be done. Christian was fifth-generation born in captivity.

He was a hugely successful rehab that went wild. He recognised the

two guys who grew up in Chelsea. The whole model is about gene

preservation. The whole idea is that tens of years from now, you change

the way they breed The Animals entirely. Namely, they become scared

of man again. Keep the gene pool intact and integrate. Be troubling

Kenya is the human population is encroaching. But closer to home,

your life is spent poser to animals. We have some lovely bits of film.

Early mornings and late nights for you? I am on tonight when I go

home. Are they yours? Are you a farmer? Yeah! He does a bit of

everything. We have 60 of them lambing. I heard that there are only

nine left. So a good lambing percentage. Do you have to go round

with a pen and put the numbers on them? It is a two-man job. Hold it

still and get the other one. Do you give them names sometimes, like

Dave? It is so that their mums know. They look at the numbers.

Anyway, you can see Martin Clunes A Lion Called Mugie next Friday, the

4th of April. Now, today, Matt and I thought we

might give up television for a moment and open a One Show cafe

instead. So we prepare the snack. Here we go. We prepared a snack

each. It is act surely a crisp sandwich. And we were hoping you

would eat it. During the next film. Then you can tell us what you would

be prepared to pay for the crisp sandwich by writing it on these

cards. Sound all right? We are taking the concept of putting your

money where your mouth is on the road.

From two-for-one deals to early bird news, and eat as much as you like,

restaurants are always try to tempt us in with new promotions and with

good reason. They are three times more likely to fail than any other

business. So for a base to survive, it it has to stand out. So how about

this? A restaurant swaps a menu like this... For one like this. So what

would happen if a restaurant let its customers choose what they wanted to

pay? Peter was one of the pioneers of this idea in the competitive

London market. His first restaurant ran the ten years on a pay what you

want policy. Didn't people take advantage? A couple of years, it

happened a couple of times, yes. But the majority of people paid much

more than my prices. So if you had just stuck to normal prices, you

would have learned less money than under a pay as you like policy?

Definitely. I am taking Peter to the town house in Bristol, a restaurant

facing stiff arm petition from 50 other places on the same stretch of

road. For a whole be Ken, they will be conducting a radical experiment,

as they are going to let their customers pay whatever they think is

fair. Nick and Vanessa, you have agreed to do pay what you want for a

weekend. Are you happy to be trusting your earnings to the

honesty and good will of your customers? Our customers have a lot

of good will. So we think it will be fine. We clearly have the usual

doubts, especially at a weekend, when we will be busy. We are always

try to think of different emotions and it will be a chance to get some

good feed act. It is a risk, but we are happy that our customers will

support us. The menu here is to clean modern British, with prices

ranging from ?6 for the wild garlic and potato soup to ?20 for the river

beef . Peter is concerned about the higher-priced items, and suggest

taking them off the menu. Definitely, the caviar should be

taken away. Maybe the rebuff beef and the scallops. Why the scallops?

They can be quite expensive. Nick, do you have a solution to taking

those expensive items of? The rib of beef, we could definitely change for

a romp. So the prices are moved and the new menus go out, but against

Peter's advice, Nick has left the scallops on, insisting it is one of

their most popular dishes. It is time for the experiment to begin.

What do you think of the idea? It is a brilliant idea. It is quite

exciting. Interesting to see what the quality of the food is like. We

were a bit stunned when we first came in and saw that. I have been

talking to people, and a lot of them like what is going on, but some say

they are feeling a bit of social pressure. They are worried about

paying too little or too much. The interesting point will come when

they have to pay the bill. We just had a customer who had mackerel that

is normally ?8 50. They paid ?2 50. That is not great. Not a good

start. So we'll make's customers leave him badly out of pocket after

a whole weekend with no prices on the menu?

We will find out how that experiment went later. Shall we find out the

results of our experiment? Dermott and Martin were given the

opportunity to take into my speciality, a crisp sandwich.

Dermot, you have given up crisps for Lent. But we wondering how much you

would be prepared to pay. I have high hopes, Martin, because you

really enjoyed that, you see. Please reveal the price. I would go for a

healthy 75p. For both halves? Is that too high or too low? To load.

This is the One Show cafe. -- too low. I have given them up falling,

but I have put ?1 50. Those are no prices full -- those are London

prices. We have gone the ?2.05. Why the 5p? We deliberated for ages

earlier. I thought it should be more expensive. You have a part share in

a restaurant. Would you ever consider doing what they have done

for a weekend, where you literally put it out to customers? That would

terrify me. And it is not because you are not confident in the product

you have or the service we provide. You have a profit margins to hit so

that you can pay your staff. So it is scary. Plus, given the

opportunity, people will rob you blind. Especially you, with your

75p! Your Mac or at the moment is on at pounds 50, and the customer just

paid two quid. But I have to pay a chef to cook it. We will see. So as

well as your telly work, you have a brilliant show on radio to every

Saturday afternoon. And at this time of year, I look forward to having a

copy of your CDs. We have not got one here, but I have one in my car.

I have not got any with me. There are a lot of songs on there. We have

40. We do it once a year and we always figure we may as well fill it

up. We do about 48 shows a year and about 62 sessions. So it is a lovely

thing for us to do. It came from the people that listened to the show

when we first did it. They said, where can we get these sessions,

because a lot of people do covers or unusual songs. Then we started

putting it out. Is it weird when you meet those groups again and they

have not made it onto the compilation album? Do I get beaten

up? But there have been a few of these compilation albums. It is

interesting to look back and see maybe, how the tastes have evolved.

The me, you look back and are proud about the fact that we give a lot of

young, aspiring artists their first session. We gave Adele one of the

first sessions. Tragically, we gave anyone has one of her first oceans

years ago. -- a new one house. It is lovely to see how those act progress

full Turin Brakes are doing Chim Chim Cheree on your album. Do they

choose the songs? Every now and again, we will ask if they will do

one of their own back catalogue songs, or one of our favourites. But

with Turin Brakes, they did a great LP ages ago called Xerox. They just

did it for themselves, and they put out this. Chim Chim Cheree is such a

great song. It is a really nice arrangement. There was another guy

who Ed Sheeran grew up listening to. And he came in on his own with

an acoustic guitar and did the theme tune from Cheers, but he did the

full-length version. That is on the album. We have to talk to you while

you are here, because tonight is the press night of the X Factor musical,

I Can't Sing. What was your impression when you heard they were

doing a musical? You are kind of in it. There is a presenter in it. He

is called Liam O'Dreary. That is really unkind. He looks unkind from

that picture. Simon Cowell has been saying on Twitter, can't wait. That

is because he owns it! But best of luck to it. I love my old school

musicals. Phantom? I love love when it was on. You can't beat The Lion

King, Martin. The album is out now. Throughout

my's show, we are tempted to recreate the spirit of Wigan Casino

in 1973. That is what the outfits are about. The Northern Soul

movement is enjoying a resurgence. But only is there a new film out in

the summer, but more and more events are being held around the country.

In a moment, we will be chatting. You have put the crisps on the

floor! We will chat to Lisa Stansfield. But first, whenever we

need someone with a bit of rhythm, we turn to Matt... Mat all right.

Northern Soul is the cultural movement that refuse to die. Based

on recordings of black American soul music, the unlikely birthplace was

the ballrooms and dance halls in the north of England. Manchester,

Blackpool and Wigan. In the late 60s, the term Northern Soul was

coined by record shop owner Dave. He noticed that fans from the north of

England were scouring record racks for obscure and rare sounds. I have

come to the Ritz ballroom in Brighouse to experience Northern

Soul for myself. I have just met Beverly and Griff. There are some

overlooked so artists for whom bought and sold met -- meant a

researchers in their career. One of these artists was Tommy Hunt. Being

a soul singer, I did not know what Northern Soul was. I said, what is

Northern Soul? Is that a different type of music? They said, no, it is

a soul music by new people from the states. But it is rare records that

did not make it. I went to the Wigan Casino. There must have been about

2000 people there. Mr Tommy Hunt! And I started singing. I had never

felt such power of music like I felt there. But even out of the

limelight, the scene has still been ticking away for all these years.

Now, however, there is a new generation of Soul fans about to get

on the right track. Northern Soul is what brings mother and son Angie and

Joe together. Angie spins on the dance floor, Joe spins the

turntable. What makes a Northern Soul record? It is the beat what

goes through you. It doesn't matter if you can dance or not, you just

get on the floor and do your thing. I started taking him to the Ritz

when you were about 30 on Sunday afternoons. -- about 13. I will be

honest with you, Joe, I would not go clubbing with my mum. How does that

work with you guys? When we get there, he goes off and does his bit,

and I do mine. But he is following me now. And it is nice to share

that. I know that he will pass it on. I have done my bit. I think a

lot of them start of saying, I like that clothing. Then they start

getting the music. It is encouraging to see the younger generation. You

are doing something from nearly 40 years ago. What brought that on? We

both grew up on the music. Your luck is quite distinct. -- your look. You

can't dance to Northern Soul in tight trousers. Can you show me a

move I can try? You can do sidestepping, like that. I feel like

my dad looks at weddings. They live it, they eat it, they sleep it. It

make me mad sometimes, because I want to dance with them, and I

can't. My old legs tell me, you can look, but you can't get out no more.

Thank you so much for introducing me to the world of Northern Soul. It

has been a privilege. I'm going to go off now. Bye.

He is good at spinning. I love it. We are joined by Lisa Stansfield.

The thing that really strikes you is that it crosses all generations. We

saw the mother and son. It is something a 16-year-old or a

60-year-old can enjoy. I think even now that music touches people. It is

predominantly an emotional thing. It just gets you. It is not about your

brain, it is about your soul and it is about your heart. I really do

believe that. This film is very eagerly anticipated, isn't it? Yeah,

people chomping at the bit for it. People say if you have never been to

one, this is the best way? I have been friends with the lane for ages.

The director. She said, what do you think it is going to be like, this

movie? I said, the way that I envisage it is that it is going to

be like a Northern Saturday night Fever. When it really is. Which part

do you play? Everybody thinks I am going to be singing and dancing and

I play the mum. This is why I got really dressed up today. I don't

want to look like that on this show! Mum of who? I am the mum of the hero

of the story. I am the reason why he gets itself into trouble, really. He

does get himself into all sorts of scrapes. He sits with his grandad

all day and he never goes out. And he makes a fixed models. And I get

really worried about him. And I tell him to get out and go to the youth

club and mix with people Ron H. And so he sort to reluctantly agrees to

it. -- people your own age. That is it. A period piece. It is set in the

year I? Have a log. Watch this. That arrived this morning, asking

where you work. We are going to have a word with Mr Banks this

afternoon. Are you refusing to get involved? I was proper shown up at

that school today. He is becoming a weirdo. A recluse at his age.

Recluse is a strong word, isn't it? You stay out of this, that. I want

to hold my head up in this town. What about the youth club? Oh, mum.

I am not going. Your cousin is not scared. I am not scared! Yellow

Macca what is your problem then? This has inspired you to get back

into music, is that fair to say? The music didn't. A lot of things did. I

think it all came together at the same time. It was like a light bulb

went off. Yes, I had always been writing and I had always been

planning. But I thought if the opportunity does not arise, then I

would just sit at home and listen to my own music and be a really sad

person. But it did. And so I went for it. On the new album is a track

called carry on. It really does have a Northern Soul feel. Yes, I think

we did that because of the movie. It was one of the last tracks we wrote.

# I will carry on. # I will take it as it comes.

# I will carry on. # I would take it as it comes.

# I will keep my foot in front of the other one.

A Northern Soul message! You have got to get that on the next

compilation album. I can't believe you're meant to be that guy's mum!

You look the same age as him. I really do look like that. I don't

really look like this. More shots of Lisa, less shots of us. Lisa's new

album is out now. We are going to see more fantastic Northern Soul

dancers at the end of the show. We may even join in. Cannot wait! In a

moment, George McGavin will be talking about Monkey Planet. First,

a film about how farmers have drafted in an unusual ally to fight

creepy crawlies. Microscopic battles between tiny

predators and prey are raging across the British countryside all the

time. And without them, we would be overrun with pests. One aphid, if it

was left to reproduce unchecked, would become billions in one season.

Clearly the natural system works, otherwise I may be knee deep in

aphids and other pests. What happens if you bring the outside, in?

Large-scale greenhouse drawing is big business in the UK. Farmers can

satisfy the demand for all year round produce. It may protect them

from the weather but it does not protect them from the same old

pests. An outbreak of aphids could be devastating to us as a business

and to the crop. It would dramatically reduce the marketable

yield of tomatoes. Would you ever consider using pesticides? We try

not to. They are unacceptable to the public and are expensive to apply.

The vast majority of greenhouse farmers have turned to more natural

and ingenious control methods. In this little Chubut is a batch of

dead aphids. By sprinting them over the tomato plants, we are rather

bizarrely preventing infestation. -- sprinkling. This is where it gets

weirder. In our studio we are placing these dead aphids under a

micro lens. With the help of Chris from Oxford University, we are going

to see how they are helping foreigners. I am looking for a big

black mass inside the dead aphid. That looks like a lake or an

antenna. It is definitely moving. Inside the dead aphid, we have

another species of insect. That is a parasitic wasp. Emergence can take

hours. We want to find one that has already started the process. It has

started. It is chewing its way out of the aphid. The head is out

already. It is quite gruesome. You have got a live wasp emerging from

the dead remains of this aphid post. She is virtually out. One last push

and she is free. How did the wasp get inside a dead aphid? This wasp

has an uncanny ability to track down aphids. And a gruesome way of

dealing with them. There is a nice pile of aphids. Sensing the aphids,

she checked them out with her antennae. And begins the attack. Oh,

look. Yes! She has got it! That is quick. She then continues on a

rampage. Again! It is fantastic. She brings her abdomen between her legs

and stabs eats aphid in return -- in-turn. Their sting is what they

used to lay the eight inside the aphids. This is a dead aphid that

had an ache laid inside ten days ago. The egg has now hatched. And

this year is actually the larvae. It keeps its host a live so it can feed

on its tissues inside. But it only needs the vital organs last. It

keeps it alive as long as it can. Two weeks later, time for the

process to start again. That is just one. Imagine each wasp can lay about

300 or 400 eggs at a time. You can see how you can decimate aphids. By

utilising this natural behaviour, farmers up and down the country have

the helping hand of these wonderful wasps, helping to keep British

vegetables on our tables all year round.

We will talk to George in a second. A vote -- the vote is closed. We

asked if destroying all ivory antiques would help to save the

elephants. We will reveal the results later. Georges here. You

have been travelling all over the world. You have been looking at why

we love primates. What did you discover that you were not

expecting? I realised how much of them is in us and how much of us is

in them. We are just a big primate. We have art and music and history in

between. But basically we had the same. We love families and our

young. You are an insect man. I know. I am sorry. I have gone over

to the dark side! Primates are as close to us as you can possibly get

and they are stunning. You met a female who had a particular thing.

She liked washing yourself... This is amazing. She lived with humans.

She imitates stuff. She can wash herself with soap. She can unlock a

locked door to get food. She was stunning. Let's have a look. She did

like keeping herself clean. Here, orangutans and humans share. They

watched us and begun to experiment. This may look a bit bizarre. It

actually shows how smart she is. She has seen humans you every morning

washing. And she is basically doing exactly the same.

She also had great breath as well. The monkey hygiene does not stop

there. No. We were filming in Thailand. There are some who pick

human hair of tourists and amazingly what they do with it, they floss

their teeth. I couldn't believe it. Look at Lisa's face. You cannot

believe it! Standing there with one on my

shoulder, flossing his teeth. You could not make it up. A lot of what

we are going to see has never been seen? Court of all the film has not

been seen before. It is really new stuff. Is there one closest to us?

We filmed chimpanzees, the nobles, everything. Do you have a favourite

monkey, Dermot? Where is this going? ! I love orangutans. We have some

interesting sounds. We're going to play if you sounds and see if you

can tell us what you think it is. You will never get it.

That is really scary. There are over 500 to choose from. A howler

monkey. They avoid having a fight because they say, this is my part of

the forest, that is your part. I will shout at you and you will stay

over there. They are not that big. But they can really make a noise.

And the next one. 50 quid if you get this. Is a

leaner! -- limo! I live near the zoo. In the summer the wind blows,

and if it blows the right way you hear this sense. We thought it was a

tropical bird. It was Jimmy the given. Can we go straight to the

last one? That sounds like a rumbling stomach. Babylon? Very

good! -- baboon. We have got one more, just to see if you can get

this, George. Don't feel bad, there are 500 of them. Let's play it

anyway. 20 quid is on the line. That is a human, trying to do a chimp.

But which human? I think it is you! You can see George's Monkey Planet

from next Wednesday at nine o'clock on BBC One. I have no idea how much

money has just changed hands. Now, in 2007, Tim Samuels created

the world's oldest rock band to draw attention to the loneliness among

pensioners. They were a huge hit, and now Tim is back with a campaign

to get older men out of the house and into the pub. My name is George

O'Connor. I am 83. My social life now is nearly nonexistent. I can sit

here all day long without even the telephone ringing. I feel really

lonely. And more or less tied into my house. There are thousands of

people like George, older guys, particularly over 75, who are

lonely. They don't get out much during the week. Their wives have

often passed away and family live miles away. The idea is to do

something basic, find an old guy who lives in your neighbourhood, take

him for a pint, share some stories, see if you get on, and add something

new to his day. Hi, I am Tim. Nice to meet you. Believe it or not, this

is the first time I have in in a pub for six months. Does it get you

down, being stuck at home? Yes, it does. I will get up and put music

on, or the television. Or I go in the kitchen and start making a cake.

Cooking is your big thing? Cooking was my profession. Where were you a

cook? I can't tell you that. Official secrets? Yes, I am bound by

the official secrets act. You actually are? Were you cooking for

the government? Sort of. All I can say is that it was to do with the

higher officials. This is intriguing! Come on, George! Let's

have a point and then discover the secrets. You were probably a chef at

MI6. You are going to keep a poker face, aren't you? Georges my dad's

age. He is 45 years older than me, so for me, it is natural to speak to

someone of his age in that way. But will it be easy for younger guys to

speak to older guys? I have invited some guys who are younger than me to

see how they get on with older guys. Three months, and then we got

married. Three months? I hope you find a job for long and make a

success of your life. I love pizza as well. We got on about a lot of

stuff and he gave me some great tips for the ladies. It is great to get

to understand one another. Nice to have a chat and talk to people you

would never talk to. I was never bored, not for one moment. I don't

know if I bought him. I hope I didn't. I have had a very enjoyable

day. I don't feel lonely now. I think today has changed me a bit. It

is a day that I thoroughly enjoyed. Unless George is an expert liar, he

seemed to enjoy himself today, and I did as well. He was fascinating. It

seemed to make such a different to someone who does not get out of the

house and speak to someone for days at a time. It would be fascinating

to find out what he really got up to. I wonder if MI6 did have pastry

chefs. Let me get on to that. How wonderful. You could see the

happiness in the eyes. You can hear more of Tim and his campaign in

men's hour on Radio 5 Live this Sunday at 9pm. Earlier, we asked you

to vote on the issue of ivory. We asked, would destroying all ivory

antics help save the elephant? The results are, yes, 32%. No, it

wouldn't, 68%. Quite a divide. Are you surprised by that, Martin? Yes.

Depressed. Lots of people have been commenting on this. Terry says,

surely destroying ivory will only create worldwide demand. Therefore

leading to more deaths? Lee Mannering says, I have two pieces of

ivory jewellery inherited from a mother which are sentimental value,

but if destroying it would save one elephant, I would do it in a

heartbeat. Alison says, why don't they sell the current pieces of

ivory and put money saving living elephants? Because that keeps the

market alive. And no one wants to see elephants die for their ivory

tusks, but what a waste to destroy the ivory pieces the elephant has

died for? The animal would have died for nothing. Such a waste. That is

from Ben. Thanks to everyone for their comments. Earlier, Jay visited

a restaurant in Bristol that was boldly trialling a scheme where

diners pay what they like for their meals. Let's see how they fared.

The town house in Bristol is trialling a radical new system. They

have taken all the prices of the menus. The bills will be left blank.

It is up to the customers to decide how much they are going to pay. Not

everybody is keen on the idea. I would prefer to know what I am going

to pay. To try and decide how much a meal is worth is much more

difficult. It is a busy lunchtime service, and the experiment is in

full flow. Roast pork. How much? It was superb. I thought ?12. For mine,

I did not think the presentation was interesting, but it tasted

fantastic. ?57 feels like a good price for the food you have had? We

have probably been a bit cheap. It has been going well, but I am a bit

surprised by some who have not paid as much as I thought. It is the most

popular dish that is cause for concern. The scallops starter that

Nick was advised to take off the menu is barely making any money.

It's usual price is ?4.50. ?3. ?2. How much do you think that is worth

per dish? We thought about five pounds. They were done nicely,

cooked well. Nick will not know whether he has made a profit or a

loss to the end of the weekend, and there is the all-important evening

menu still to come. Tonight, you have got the Aluko at dinner menu,

which is more expensive. Are you confident it will be OK? Less

confident. I am worried that we may lose out at dinner time. We will

see. I paid ?8 for the stake. The sizes were a bit smaller than I

would normally expect. I had the beef rump. I paid when the pounds,

and it was cooked to perfection. -- ?20. As Sunday night draws to a

close, it is time to shut the restaurant and bring our experiment

to an end. The next morning, Nick and Vanessa are working out if the

whole thing has been a success. ?6 for the fish wrath. They were paying

a lot more than usual -- the fish broth. We took more on the lunches.

Sunday was good. Brilliant. And so, the results. They would have taken

7100 and ?53 if people had paid the normal prices. Instead, they made

?8,498, almost 20% more. It looks like only 5% of people underpaid. So

will they be offering their pay what you menu permanently? We made ?1200

more than we normally would, but we will not do it again because it made

some customers feel uncomfortable. We want our customers to come and be

happy from start to finish. So it will not work for us.

Well, there we are. It paid off. We should try that in our One Show

cafe. But if the crisp sandwiches were anything to go by, maybe not.

As we said earlier, there is a new film out that celebrates the

Northern Soul movement. We have dressed the part and to celebrate,

we are joined by some Northern Soul devotees, some of which were in the

film. Dave, you are one of them. Northern Soul started in the late

70s. It has had a reserve gin is. You are only 19, so how did you get

into it? I was just brought up on it in our family, with the dancing. In

November, I won the dance Championships. That was it for our

family. I ran my mum and told her, and it was really good. I do every

weekend and it is my life. You have got the costume and the trousers,

like Matt. They are the best for moving. They are not tight. People

look at you like a widow for having them on -- like a weirdo, but it is

quality. Come on, let's see a few moves. Matt should try that. Hang

on! What do I do? Northern Soul. Elaine, you have got

a wonderful move. Let's see your speciality.

Pardon me for asking, I don't mean to ask how old you are, but were you

around when this started? Yes. I have been on the scene for 43 years.

And you have not got a northern accent. No, I am a posh southern

girl. How did you start? Mainly because I live in Newbury, and there

was an air base there, so we had a black American soul artists come

over. That started the element in Newbury, and we used to travel up

north regularly. And you are still doing it? Still doing it. Good girl!

Lovely. Now, you have posted a video on YouTube, and it has been an

absolute hit, nearly a million viewers. Tell us what you did? It

was me dancing down the street. I mixed two tracks together, one that

is in the northern soul style, and another in the charts at the moment.

The idea what's to tell people who don't know about Northern Soul music

that it is just as good as what you hear in the charts, and to give it a

wider appreciation. It really deserves it. It really worked. We

are going to finish with spinning Sam here. Watch this man go. He is

like a spinning top! Goodlad, Sam. Smile! Thanks to Martin and Dermot

O'Leary on the decks at the back, and Lisa. Tomorrow, we will be

talking about the return of surprise, surprise, with Holly will

be. Time to shuffle, everybody. Ready? Here we go!

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