28/04/2016 The One Show

Evening, hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt

Baker. We are talking all about men. What is masculinity and is it any

use in the modern world? We have 11 fine examples of manhood in the

audience. Which one of them has made a documentary on the subject,

masculinity? Is it Ben the builder from Acocks Green? No. Is it Rob the

banker from Drakes Cross? No, it is not! Is it perhaps Grayson the

artist from Chelmsford? It is! Please welcome Grayson Perry. Come

and join us. Good evening. The shoes, Grayson. Looking divine. Has

that been made especially? One of my own little designs. I like the bag.

A fan sent it to me from a jumble sale. If you did fancy dress, it

would be perfect for you. You are here to talk about the documentary

you have made an masculinity. You have ruffled a few feathers,

including Bear Grylls. I made a joke that his version of masculinity

really wasn't up-to-date and we need a different sort of masculinity now.

How would you settle it? Tea and biscuits or a fist fight? Tea and

biscuits, although he would want to cook it on a campfire! Probably! It

is a fascinating watch. It is a big night in the food world. Our cameras

are live in Bristol. The country's top restauranteurs are gathering for

the foodie's Oscars, the BBC Food Farming Awards. They have gathered

quickly, it was empty a few minutes ago. But one thing they don't have

there in Bristol, it is here. Look at this for a prize. The One Show

Award for Best Streetfood Or Takeaway. A beautiful chopping

board, Grayson, I think you will agree? Later, we are going to stage

a live takeover of the awards. One of these finalists will take home

the trophy. If you are lucky, well, we might let you taste the goods.

They are very nice. Some lovely treats. First, as much as we love

our closest relatives, it's not always the best idea to invite them

into our homes, as Michael has been finding out. As a nation of animal

lovers, we share our homes with a variety of creatures great and

small. But would you consider opening your home to one of these

cheeky chappies? Having a simian companion is prising legal and so

popular that the RSPCA estimates there could be 5000 being kept as

pets in the UK. With a monkey-like Sid really make a good pet in the

average household? I am at Monkey World in Dorset to get the lowdown

from Doctor Allison Crowe. Monkeys make terrible pets for your average

person. You really need to be a specialist keeper and know what to

look for in terms of health care, their diet, well-meaning people are

purchasing these animals and they don't know how to care for them.

They keep them in the sitting room and feed them an table scraps, and

they suffer terribly. How easy is it for me to buy a monkey? There are 66

different species of primate that can be bought over the

different species of primate that checks, no licensing, no

registration. They can be bought or sold like a puppy, a kitten or

registration. They can be bought or goldfish. As easy as buying a puppy?

I have not seen many in my local pet shop, but I am informed that the

classified pages is where to look. I am ringing up about the marmosets

for sale. Do I just do a bank transfer and you give me the monkey?

Within the last hour, I have managed to find three different people who

will sell me a monkey. A real eye-opener. Although it is

incredibly easy to get a monkey, looking after one can be far from

fun and games. This is his bedroom, is it? Jackie's Sun bought Sid, a

marmoset, in February, and now she is lumbered with it. It is worse

than having a baby. A full-time commitment. He wheeze and booze. You

can't open your window because he will get out. -- wees and poos. The

diet, the food and rage. He is calling for other primates. -- the

fruit and veg. What are you going to do with Sid? Hopefully he can go to

monkey world. People out there are interested in these cute marmoset

monkeys, what would you say to them? Don't get them.

Monkey World are being inundated with owners desperate to re-home

their pets. Are you fool? -- full? We are. Spider monkeys, lemur

APPLAUSE. ... -- lemurs. What would you like

to see? We have been campaigning for the government to change the law.

Our petition calls for, regardless of whether they are being kept in a

pet shop, in a private home, that they simply receive the care that is

currently legislated for, in a zoo or a wildlife park. If you are

looking after them public, I have no problem with you. Grayson, do you

think a pet monkey would be a valuable addition to your household?

think a pet monkey would be a No, I

think a pet monkey would be a I love animals, I have my cat,

think a pet monkey would be a a catch! -- a cat! You have done

this documentary, as we mentioned, about masculinity. You have immersed

yourself in the ultra-masculine world, what is perceived to be

anyway. Interestingly, you work in trousers, not in a dress. Why did

you make that decision? When making a documentary, I want to look

invisible. And it works, because people open up to you in this

documentary. Unbelievable how much information you get from people so

quickly. Especially the cage fighters in the first series. Tell

us about the types of men that you met. We went into areas where

masculinity was an issue. 85% of crime is done by men. The cage

fighter one, we were punted by the suicide statistics. -- prompted. Men

commit suicide for times as often as women. And the business world,

dominated by men at the top end. Let's start in the north-east, where

programme one begins. I watched it incredibly defensively, thinking,

what is he going to say? Is he going to get what I think is masculine as

far as a north-easterner is concerned. Let's go to the clip.

This man sums it up beautifully. What does it say about the men that

used to work here? Had men. But soft-hearted. Had men on the outside

but soft on the inside. Never forgotten. -- hard men. They left a

good legacy. How to do things properly, how to have pride. A lot

of pride. They left a good legacy on how to do things properly. Really,

you find that in the north-east. There is an enormous amount of

heart. It's just knowing how to show it. And also, the old school men who

grew up in heavy industry, which doesn't exist any more. Cage

fighters are a way of dealing with the hangover of that type of stoic,

working-class pride and masculine T. One of the big problems with

masculinity, it is constantly nostalgic, looking back to a time

when men were men. Where does it go now in the 21st century? How did

that compare to when you met the bankers, was it the same in the

city? No, masculinity becomes gentrified as it goes up the

socioeconomic scale. It is much harder to unpick. It is still there,

the masculinity, but they are much less willing to talk about it.

Because of the 2008 crash, I think they think it is a toxic subject.

And also sexism in office politics and all that. You didn't seem to

have the same connection with the bankers as you did with the guys in

the first programme. Which crowd and you feel most empathetic with? I had

a lot of sympathy, empathy with the young men who ended up getting in

trouble with the police. I was troubled at that age, I could have

gone down that railway. They have all of the masculinity but they have

none of the status, the education, the job, the family, the support. So

their masculinity doesn't know what to do, so it gets in trouble.

Basically, they are protecting territory. It is a massive

discovery, but what conclusion have you come to, as far as your own

masculinity is concerned? I had to look at myself a lot. I am quite

willing to admit now that I am quite macho in many ways, quite alpha,

quite competitive. As far as what? Particularly if you put me on a

push-bike! Mountain biking, I did it for a dozen years, racing, I still

do it two or three times a week. I just love it. I would chase anybody

up a hill. OK! To humiliate them! It is what your definition of

masculinity is, you want to be tough at the right time, to be sensible at

the right time, but it is knowing when to be those things. As a

father, your instinct is to protect your family. It is like woodwork.

For some people it is essential, other people it is leisure, other

people don't need it at all. It is optional and it has to be flexible.

My husband is a Bear Grylls wannabe on one hand but he is empathetic and

good at conversation. It is hitting different points at different times.

It is finding masculinity that works here and now, for you. A lot of

people are almost victims, where it is not working for them. There is an

ideal masculinity in their head which they are trying to match up

to, and it is making them unhappy. We have some guys in our audience,

some footballers. They have been losing a lot of weight. Andrew, Andy

and Ben. Andy, it was your wife who called you scrawny, and you felt a

bit unmanly because of that. Definitely. I come from a building

trade where people expect you to be big and strong, losing four stone in

a short time, she assures me it is a compliment but scrawny didn't sound

like a compliment! These three men, led by Andrew, in a Football League

which is called Man V Fat, and they gain points per losing weight as

well as scoring goals. That is the idea. You have watched the first

episode of Grayson's documentary, what did you make of it, Andrew? It

was harrowing in many places. What struck me was what happens to

masculinity, things like the suicide rate, it is such a shocking

statistic. That is obviously an impact of people feeling that

definition of masculinity which doesn't fit them. Boys are brought

up to be emotionally simple. But they are not, they are just as

complex as women. So they don't have the easy vocabulary to talk about

their feelings. That is the main problem. Andy and Ben? One thing

that really came across to me is the changing masculinity over the years.

The strong silent type of 20 or 30 years ago, that has changed. The

ability to be confident in how you come across, it is a different sign

of masculine itty from before. That came across very powerfully, some of

the people you spoke to in the circumstances. Andrew, as far as

losing weight is concerned, it is often seen, dieting is a feminine

thing. Absolutely. You have some sections of men who consider being

skinny... Ben got called scrawny, he didn't know how to take that. Women,

being thin, being skinny is seen as a positive in some ways. For men, it

is emasculated, it suggests there is no muscle tone, no Power there. You

only have to look at the diet industry to see how focused it is on

women. That is wrong for both genders. Dieting should not be about

women. Fitness should not be about men. There should be a blend, a

balance. So give us an update. How much weight have we lost? 48 lb

since Christmas. My brother just edged me out! 57 lb! You look great,

the three of you. Thank you for coming in. I hope you don't take any

offence, Grayson, but for all of those men sitting looking at you

wearing the dress, thinking, I am not going to watch that documentary,

those are the men that need to watch it. Totally! It is an incredible

watch. You can see the documentary All Man next Thursday, the 5th of

May month at ten o'clock on Channel 4. Are you still allowed a takeaway?

Absolutely! It is time to take over proceedings at the BBC Food

Farming Awards. We have the finalists and the food in the

studio. Ten hungry footballers, get stuck in! Chef Reza Mahammad was one

of the judges for the One Show Best Streetfood Or Takeaway award, and

here he is giving the finalists the good news.

scene is bursting with flavours. Food from across the world. We

wanted to find the best Food from across the world. We

best. Something which stands out, uses the best ingredients, great

imagination and excellent value for money. We sent in more than 600

nominations for 282 different grab and go venues. Fellow chefs Angela

Hartnett and Paula McIntyre helped me whittle it down to just three

finalists. But obviously, we cannot choose a winner without sampling

their fare. So the One Show sent me off on a tasting tour of our finest.

In Derby market Hall, Mark Hughes has reinvigorated a traditional

recipe for pipe clips. The pike looked is a flat crumpet. It has to

be full of holes so the butter melts through them. -- pikelet. What lifts

be full of holes so the butter melts Mark's pikelet above other griddle

cakes is the toppings. It is a blank and bust put other things on. We do

there with smoked salmon, blue cheese, honey and walnut.

Mouthwatering. Time to break the good news to Mark. I have something

very thrilling to tell you. You are one of the finalists. Oh, wow! Thank

you, I will put it in pride of place in the pikelet parlour. For my next

tasting, I am 235 miles away from Derby, and just look at this! You

are served only the freshest of Seafoods in this converted

are served only the freshest of at Westward Ho. Lindsey does not

have to go far to source her ingredients, oysters are a local

ingredient. Being by the beach, it gives people the opportunity to try

and oyster for the first time without having to go to a civic

seafood restaurant. First, we have to shut our oysters which is no easy

task. It is what Lindsey's oysters are served with which made this a

One Show special. They are served different ways. And with different

flavour profiles which can be added to something so simple, treasure

from the sea. Would you like a dressing? There is mothers ruin

which could be the ruin of many mother, or there is a Japanese one

or a buckthorn's. As a judge, I must try one for myself. Down the hatch

it goes. Oh, my word! That is delicious. I get to tell an

emotional Lindsey that a passion for food has won he replaced in the

final. That is brilliant, thank very much.

Time to head away from the coast and into the smoke at London's renowned

or a food market. Here, no idea and Nick treat customers to dish

inspired by a childhood in Cyprus. 90. I grew up without very much.

Meat was very special. We are trying to recreate the flavoursome taste

you get from roasting kid goat. Nadia's food is based on her

grandmother's recipe. You can paste the meet with the lovely herbs

coming through. A wonderful symphony of flavours and tastes. You are one

of the finalists for the Food and Farming Awards. That is amazing!

Well done! Nadia's gourmet goat joins Mark's pikelet parlour and

Lindsey's oysters. Choosing a winner will be no easy task.

Well, our finalists have made it to the studio with their mouthwatering

dishes. A big moment for you. Before we come to the winner, Reza

Mahammad, as one of the judges, tell us what you were looking for, the

deciding factor. The deciding factor is all about taste and flavour. It

has got to be well seasoned with wonderful layers and flavours. That

is what makes a difference. All of them here are winners. They have a

twist on all their dishes and there is individuality and also in terms

of their ethics and how they get their produce, that is what we're

looking at. Can I save blue cheese and walnuts with a pikelet is

delicious! You went back onto location and tested all the food

with the other judges as well? Absolutely, and he does the most

amazing Welsh rarebit have won. We will have to find out who has won.

The winner of the One Show best St food takeaway Ward is... Gourmet

Goat! CHEERING

Well done! Well done, congratulations! It is

beautiful. You will have to tell us, what is the key as far as cooking

goat kid is concerned? I cook based on my childhood flavours, so I

suppose a little bit of passion and also a total belief in what you are

doing. And using fresh ingredients where possible and organic and above

all, using really ethical products which is what we do. Hopefully, it

is now shown in the products themselves and their dishes. You

were saying how much it means to you, if we do win this it will be

brilliant because we work so hard. I cannot believe you can have quality

at this level and take it away. If you would like to see more of the

awards, you can on Countryfile on Sunday 8th of May.

Considering how many people we have invited for dinner tonight, and

extra table would be handy, wouldn't it? Don't worry about it because

luckily for us, Phil has been to meet a man who can help.

Old wheel rims, rusting trains, engine parts which has seen better

days. Britain's scrap yards are full of this stuff. Most of us would

think drunk like this belongs on a scrapheap, but one man seized items

like these slightly differently. Paul Firbank calls himself a modern

day rag and bone man, but with one sub full difference. Rather than

just turning junk into cash, he is also creating items of functional

beauty. In his market studio, Paul makes a living by re-purpose in an

usual metal objects into bespoke and highly collectable pieces of

furniture. His work sells for tens of thousands of pounds, but his raw

materials ask Gavin Shuker from scrap yards like this one. I suppose

you will never run out of material? -- they ask Gavin Shuker from scrap

yards and garages. What made you start? It started with repairing

pushbikes. I ended up in scrap yards trying to find something roughly the

same shape of something I had broken. When you see this, what do

you see? I see potential. It is like a big Lego kit. I think that is a

cradle from the top of a motorbike. That says to me it could be some

coat hooks. Why scrap metal? It has a story. It is not a modern piece of

material. Someone has put love into this. It is a shame to melt it down

when you could reuse it. Paul's passion for Britain's industrial

heritage is clear in the work he produces. In his quest to revive

metalworking techniques, he combines with a veteran engineer to use

industrial parts to create something which is handmade. Disarray clever.

He goes into a skip, he is salvaging that, and he is making something

which you can salivate commodity -- it is very clever. It is brilliant.

Do you think it is important to keep the skills alive? Definitely. These

skills need to be kept alive. For the past two weeks, Phil has been

busy with a special new commission for the One Show. What are you going

to be making today? We are going to make a table. The base will be made

from some Aston Martin brake discs. We have some jacks which will create

the adjustable height mechanism and we will top it off with a saw blade.

Would you need a hand? I wouldn't say no! There is the centrepiece.

Beautiful! Flip that over. Let's see if we can match that. There we go, a

finishing touch! That is up to cocktail height. All of Paul's works

are signed with a serial number and date, and with a bit of help from

yours truly, the table is complete. All done. That looks beautiful. So

there we go, a coffee table made from junk metal, spare parts, not

bad for an afternoon's work. Well, you know what they say, one man's

rubbish is another man's treasure. The next time you are going to throw

something away, think twice, because you might have the beginnings of a

work of art. Thank you. Happy birthday for

tomorrow, by the way. We have the table in the studio. I think it is

lovely. What do you think, Grayson? It is very elegant but also very

masculine! Are pretty match showed table. Can we pan up and down a

little bit? The standards laughed -- the stand is lovely. One thing we

have not talked about is in the documentary, everywhere you go, you

make a piece of art to go alongside your experience.

make a piece of art to go alongside with those? They

make a piece of art to go alongside eventually. I take them to show the

people in situ where we make the episodes. Eventually, I will exhibit

them. The problem is, I make art so slowly so I have to hold work back

because I only make a work a month. I have to hold it back for when I

have a big show. Do you go into your workshop when you feel you are ready

or do you give yourself two hours a day? I do office hours, 8:30am until

six. Perfect. We have had some comments on the documentary. Doctor

six. Perfect. We have had some Mark Bright says on masculinity,

what does not help Mark Bright says on masculinity,

boys to man up. They should be able to express themselves emotionally. I

agree. Very important. You touch on that in the documentary. That is all

we have time for. You can see Grayson Perry: All Man next Thursday

5th of Grayson Perry: All Man next Thursday

I will be back tomorrow. Michael Ball and Helen McCrory will be here

to talk about the new series of Peaky

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