30/09/2013 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker and Alex Jones.

Later creator of Citizen Khan, akill Ray will be here. But first let's

welcome the comedian, actor and now the scourge of greedy MPs, Ben

Miller! Come on in, Ben. Good to see the scourge of greedy MPs, Ben

you. How are you? I was milking it. It was good modelling of duck House.

It is old school. It is some property. Very nice. In case anyone

has forgotten the Duck House was central to the MPs' expenses scandal

and to Ben's new play. Can you explain? The Duck House is one of

the most famous expenses claimed. It was an MP called Sir Peter have Iing

euros, who -- Vigurs who put in a claim for a duck house in the ground

of his house. It joins other famous expense claim, such as for a massage

chair. One MP claimed for a photo session in a hay field. Where she

posed... In attractively I would have to say, among hay bails. But we

subsidised this. I play an MP, Robert Houston, a Labour MP, but a

champagne socialist and he thinks he is going to lose his seat at the

general election and he decides to defect to the Tories. And he has the

chairman of the Tory party coming around to vet him and make sure he

chairman of the Tory party coming is clean and that night the expense

scandal breaks. He sees Harriet Harman interviewed and he senses

that the scandal is breaking. He has broken all the rules and he has...

He as duck house and a massage chair and elephant lamp. So it is all

about this. I didn't write the play it is Colin skash and Dan Paterson.

-- Colin Swash. We will talk more about this as the evening progresses

and an update on what has been happening since the expense scandal.

Also four years ago the swine flu pandemic caused alarm. A vaccine was

developed, but some children who were given is were left with

long-standing side effects. This is were given is were left with

Ben, he is eight and he falls asleep a lot. Not just napping, but a deep

sleep and it can happen when he is doing his homework, or at any time.

Ben. He's gone? That is him asleep. It can be seconds or minute, it

depends on he is doing. It must be scary as a mum? Yes you have to be

watching him in case he hurts himself. What did you feel like when

it first happened at school in front of your friends? Embarrassing. Did

you have to explain what was wrong? I didn't know was wrong. Did that

make you scared? Yes. Ben has been like this for three years. It has

totally changed him. He is not the little boy we knew before. He was

confident, outgoing. Now he is very aggressive, angry, gets frustrated.

It takesivities toll on the family as well. Ben's mum believe the

symptoms are as a result of having the swine flu vaccine in 2010. At

the height of the pandemic the Pandemrix vaccine made by

GlaxoSmithKline was offered to high risk groups and given to almost

700,000 children. Then the use of it on people under 20 was stopped after

a report of increasing cases of narcolepsy. It is a rare condition,

but it is a life long condition that causes people to have sleep attacks

that are unpredictable and uncontrollable. Ben has a strict

regime of sleeping breaks and medication to help him get through

the day. His friend at school in York, well they didn't know what to

make of his condition. I saw him just asleep on his desk. What did

you think? I thought he must have had a late-night. We we were playing

football, he started falling Ove and laying down. The Government said it

holds no stocks of vaccine. Last year the department of work and

pensions turned down compensation claim on the grounds there wasn't

enough evidence of a link. Now, the Government has concluded in some

cases the vaccine can cause the condition. This levers its open --

leaves it open to compensation claims. That is as a result of new

findings by the Health Protection Agency that found there was a link

between the vaccine and narcolepsy in children. Peter Todd is a

solicitor. I have been contacted by about 25 families so far. I think we

can expect there is about 100 people that have been affected as a result

of this. In in is case, the manufacturers, as part of the

contract of supply of the vaccines, got the government to give them an

indemocrat nitty in respect of claims. So if the manufacturers have

to settle the claims, they can ask the Government to reimburse them.

14-year-old Chloe developed narcolepsy after having the swine

flu jab in 2009. Her condition was so severe it became too much. I

snapped completely. It wasn't a planned thing. I just... I took an

overdose. You felt so desperate, you felt I need to end this. I yes. That

bad? I just thought to myself, what is the point of going on when I'm

never really going to be able to stay awake a full day. Within

minutes I found how difficult it is for Chloe to get through the day and

why her mum gets so worried. Just doing some filming and I've come

back and she is asleep. How often does this happen? It could happen 25

to 30 times a day off medication. This is the first time she has

fallen asleep today on that is on medication. We are in a park and she

is asleep. If I wasn't here, if her friends weren't here, this is how

serious it is. I think people need to know this. At home after school,

Ben has the energy for a kick about. Will you try and get compensation?

It won't change everything. You feel racked with guilt, because I it was

me that decide to have that injection. It is a lot for an

eight-year-old boy to deal with and that is him for the rest of his

life. It is not about the money now. Poor little boy. Thank you so much.

Very brave for them to let us tell their story. If you're planning a

flu jab, Pandemrix is no longer available and was banned for anyone

under 20 in 2011. So why was it given to children. The health

department said it was approved by the European Medicines Agency.

GlaxoSmithKline said it was researched how narcolepsy is

triggered and how this medicine may have interacted with other factors.

They said safety is that irpriority. Now The Duck House. We have

established it is based on the MPs' expenses scandal. Do you think now

the audience are ready for the subject to be satirised? It is funny

you ask that. We have been working on this for a while and I think

Colin and Dan started at the time of the scandal and I remember we had

some readings last year. I was thinking, is it time to do this?

People were so angry. Even last year, still so angry about the issue

of MPs' expenses. Now, because justice has been seen to be done and

the rules have been changed. Now people can see the funny side of it.

There is a real funny side to it. It is good material. How have you

encompassed that. It has become a is good material. How have you

farce. How many houses does he have? Two houses and he has flipped, that

is where as they say in the play, you call your main home your second

home to claim expenses on your main you call your main home your second

home and then call your main home your main home to claim expenses on

your second home. He has done that. Also he has made his wife his

Parliamentary Secretary and he claims for her. So he claims all the

money that he gives to his wife and claims his son is his Parliamentary

researcher. These are the... We are laughing, but it happened. Yes maybe

not all to the same person. Are all the claims made up. They're all

true. All the claims in the play are true. Their research was thorough.

In the terms of way it happened. You remember the Daily Telegraph had the

list of ex-pensions and you know I accept -- expenses and I received

list of ex-pensions and you know I the same e-mail and all the things I

have done are things that MPs have done. So this scandal in 2009, Lucy

is here. Come on in. She has some information. On the results of it

coming to a head. Yes, it is rich information. On the results of it

cometic material, but we were furious at the time. And firstly, I

mean the reputation of politicians was at rock bottom and you had to

think about what happened to some of the politicians themselves. It was

obvious heads would roll and they did. So three of the big ones, names

you will remember. Elliott Morley claimed over £30,000. He admitted it

and served a prison sentence. We had Lord Hanningfield, still in the

House of Lords. He was charged with £14,000 of expenses and things like

overnight stays in London when it was clear he had been driven back to

Chelmsford. He had a short jail term. Now he campaigns on penal

reform and prisoners rights. Well he has first hand knowledge. Margaret

Moran, the former MP for Luton, £60,000 worth of expenses and after

a period of ill health she was sentenced to two years surn vision

and treatment. So the -- supervision and treatment. So the repurr

cushions were serious. Now they have taken transparency to an extreme.

You can go on to a web-site. Yes it is quite addictive. It sounds

brilliant. This is the independent Parliamentary standards authority

and their aim is to be they call it aggressive transparency and every

two months all the claims are published. You can see what tariff

David Cameron is on for his mobile phone. If he buys a stapler it will

tell you. There is all these categories. I'm not one for

snooping... But! You can find anything. Has that gone too far. Who

would want to be an MP. It helps many you like administration. Thank

you. Get back on that web-site. Mime Dilger is always enthusiastic about

the creatures he encounter, he often says, this is my new favourite

animal. Well, he has done it again. Stoats are one of Britain's most

difficult mammals to see. Despite being all over the country. If you

glimpse one it is often just a flash. When I heard of a chance to

have a close encounters with them, I knew it was an opportunity too good

to miss. Martin is a wildlife cameraman and when a rescued stoat

turned up on his doorstep, he seize adieu Nic chance. -- seized a unique

chance. It had its tail injured by a cat. You often get these things. Yes

I never know what will arrive. He already had a male stoat in

residence. So he soon found he had a family. These were born in March.

Ten youngsters all about this big. Out of the ten she reared three.

Martin decided to keep the kits until they were old enough to be

released and built them a den ripped with cameras. He has been able to

film them from the first days of their lives. They don't open their

eyes for at least a month and these didn't venture out until they were

eight weeks old. The kits are now 15 weeks old and as wig big as their

mum. They're full of energy and it is the perfect time to film them. He

can fund them without becoming tame. A couple of logs that the stoats

have not seen before instantly investigated. They are endlessly

curious. We are filming them at 150 frames per second which means we can

slow down their movement is six times. I had no idea that this could

slow down their movement is six be so much fun! They are packed with

slow down their movement is six muscle, they are so supple. They are

like nature 's gymnasts. The movements and the ships and the way

they can curl around. They are absolutely brilliant. It is this

agility that gives them the edge when hunting. A stilted can take

down a rabbit ten times its size. Martin is not just filming the

stoats, he is preparing them for release back into the wild and needs

to make sure they have the right skills to survive. One of the things

they will certainly aid to know how to handle eggs. Packed with protein,

clutch of birds eggs will make a nutritional need for a hungry

stilted but they are not the easiest dinner today with. -- to deal with.

I have never seen anything like that in my life! Look at that control

axeman David Beckham, eat your heart out! Being able to move eggs around

like this means they can stanch food and save it for a mini day. Every

move the mother makes is watched closely by the kids. It is a good

learning curve for the youngsters. But there is one more skill they are

learning at this camp which is really quite surprising. I don't

usually associate stoats with water but they are actually great

swimmers. Anything! It is there a torpedo shaped and big feet that

make them so handy in the water. They have been known to some of the

one kilometre but these little guys have start -- have got to start

one kilometre but these little guys somewhere. I have to say, they are

my new favourite animal. I cannot member being so captivated by one

animal, they are just brilliant. Arjun has followed his kids through

every stage of their upbringing and you must have got with attached to

these guys! It is going to be hard to say goodbye and brings a lump to

your throat. It is the right thing to do, to let them run wild. A week

later, it was time to say goodbye. He has been able to capture stunning

footage of stoats at every stage of their lives and I have had the

privilege of peeping into their world, too.

Beautiful footage. But was this stilted his favourite animal after

this happened? Just watch this. That is the how she gets on! , has really

hurt! That is the worst feeling as well. It did go on a little longer,

we had to cut there! This Friday, the second series of Adil Ray 's

Citizen Khan starts on BBC One. It doesn't take long before he is

taking the biscuit. It is right here. You just had to reach out and

take it. It is OK, I will stand all the way over here. I did it! Adil

Ray who created the series and plays Mr Khan joins us now. What happens,

does Granny get her biscuit or her seat back? You have two watch it! I

cannot believe how different you look without the beard? The make-up

girls do an amazing job. It is quite tricky to play an older guy. For

those who missed the first series, what happened and is it too late to

join in with the secondaries? Not at all. As sitcoms, we have to try to

write as individual 30 minute shows. all. As sitcoms, we have to try to

There is one storyline about the daughter getting married at the idea

is that you should finish the 30 minutes where you started off and

people can catch up. It is a family sitcom and I hope people can connect

to them. It is based in Birmingham. Yes, and it is led by Mr Khan who is

to them. It is based in Birmingham. a self appointed community leader.

He thinks far too much of himself and he once to leave the community

but he should be paying attention to his family. There are three very

fierce full and independent women around him. His wife and two

daughters, and I think there is a story that he realises the right

thing to do is to do what his daughters and wife want. They are

pretty high maintenance. As you said, it is a family friendly

sitcom. It attracted quite a lot of criticism in the first series from

the Muslims. Would you rather ruffle some feathers in your own committee

or have mass appeal because lots of people genuinely do it -- do love

it? It has had some criticism and it was not just Muslim people but from

people from different backgrounds. That is only right because we are

not on the same. If all the Muslims had come out and said, Citizen Khan

is great, I would be scared. Comedy is so subjective and with Twitter

and Facebook, campaigning has become a bit of a team sport. You have to

take things with a pinch of salt. Some sensitive issues obviously but

if you stick with it, you realise that it is just any ordinary family.

One subject we pick up on is the younger daughter and the fact that

she was pretending to be religious in front of her father but she is

not. I had endless amounts of responses from people saying, that

is just like me. As a muslin, I love to hear that because it brings us

all together. Had you used classic British sitcom tricks to make this

work? I was brought up watching British sitcoms. Only fools and

horses and Fawlty Towers and I love the idea of British sitcoms. The

typical British character is the guy who has dreams and aspirations but

there is something about us that we don't want him to get there in the

end, we want him to be a loser! You had to watch the first episode with

your mum and dad? Yes, it is very important. Do you watch your

episodes with your parents? They are honest, I suppose. If they don't

like it, they don't tend to say. My dad is not around any more but he

would say, yes, it is good to get that one out of the way! That was as

negative as it got. You can to please anyone! Citizen Khan begins

this Friday at 930 on BBC One. It is clear that Birmingham has inspired

Adil Ray. Giles went to Yorkshire to find out how one of our greatest

novelist Lewis Carroll gather inspiration.

The story of Alice 's Adventures in Wonderland was published in 1865.

Down, down, down, with the four never come to an end with Mac I

wonder if I shall fall right through the air. The book was the product of

his inventive imagination with its talking rabbit and mad Hatter and

could he had drawn his inspiration from somewhere more down to earth?

Could this city called secrets to how this hugely popular book came to

be? Appropriately enough, our first clue takes us deep underground. In

April 1997, a large hole opened up in a suburban Yorkshire Street. This

natural phenomenon greeted a whole ten metres wide and six metres deep.

natural phenomenon greeted a whole The location of that goal was here

in Ripon and sinkholes have been hearing -- appearing here for years.

Lewis cannot 's father was Rector here in the city -- 50s and 60s. He

was writing Alice in Wonderland at the time and was a frequent visitor

was writing Alice in Wonderland at to the city. Good the sinkhole have

was writing Alice in Wonderland at been an inspiration for the books?

Are caused when rock is washed away. This creates a new ground here that

can collapse. Ripon is particularly affected by this geological

phenomenon. This is a piece of gypsum from the river. This is

heavy. We are sitting on literally 30 metres of this? Yes. We have been

mapping the sinkholes in these parts. We have the red areas of

sinkholes. You need to take me to one of them. I will take you to one

that will surprise you. Doctor Cooper is taking me to a local

sinkhole Lewis Carol is likely to have known. Oh! Could this be the

entrance to Wonderland, the rabbit hole the beginning of the book? This

is one huge hole, do you think Lewis Carroll came here? Yes, it was right

next to the railway station and people used to come and visit these

things? I know that Alice disappears down a rabbit hole. Alice in

Wonderland is the published version but the original version was Alice

's adventures Underground. Although she fell into a rabbit hole, she

fell down, down, down. This is a shaft going down into the

underworld. Do you know any rabbit holes that goal down, down, down?

You have convinced me! Ribbon appears to have inspired Lewis

Carroll in other ways. The blonde girl in the book with a distinctive

dress was beautifully illustrated by the artist but although Lewis

Carroll based the character Alice on the daughter of a colleague, she had

dark hair. This local historian the daughter of a colleague, she had

things he has a message -- explanation for his for this. Lewis

Carroll saw this picture in a photographer 's shop. So he sent his

photograph to the famous illustrator. According to this

little girl 's family, that is what happened. It is uncanny. There is

certainly a resemblance. There is one more tantalising connection

certainly a resemblance. There is which can be found here in the

cathedral. I would like you to have a look at this seat. Can you see

some of the detail? It is quite clearly Griffin changing -- chasing

a rabbit down a hole. This could have been an inspiration for the

characters in Wonderland. He would have been well aware of these

carvings. But the clues together and perhaps Lewis Carroll 's children's

classic might more appropriately be named Alice in Yorkshire land! From

sinkholes to rabbit holes, from the named Alice in Yorkshire land! From

carvings to a little girl in a Victorian party dress. I think open

is laying it came to a place in Wonderland. Cupcake anyone?

I am convinced. Earlier on we were talking about the website where you

can view MPs websites. Now, it has crashed! Nobody will hear the next

question, is there any possibility that Armstrong and Miller will get

back together? Maybe, if we find the right thing. Thanks to Ben. We love

Ben! Don't forget Citizen Khan on Friday. Tomorrow Paul Merton will be

here. See you then!