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On The Review Show tonight. Angry Boys, troubled men and a talking | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
beaver! Mel Gibson attempt as comeback with | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
help from a fluffy friend. Can a beaver rehabilitate Mad Max. | :00:26. | :00:33. | |
are you? I'm the beaver. Huge excitement in a Russian small town | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
when the Government inspector arrives. How do stars of TV comedy | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
fare in Gogol's classic play. Get him to send over his next | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
Bordeaux or I will break his fingers. The dead unburied in | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
Andrew Miller's novel, set in prerevolutionary France. Does the | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
stench of 18th century Paris leap off the page? | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
Chris Lilley plays delinquent teen, racist grans, and even blacks up in | :01:05. | :01:14. | |
his new mock can youmentry, Angry Boys - mockumentary, Angry Boys, | :01:14. | :01:23. | |
funny or just over the top. Balls, ball, I have big blackballs. Live | :01:23. | :01:32. | |
music from Jonathan Jeremiah. Joining me tonight are the | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
independent columnist, Johann Hari, the novelist and President of | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
English Pen, Gillian Slovo, the policy editor of the economist, | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
Anne McElvoy, and broadcaster and academic, Susan Hitch. It is quite | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
hard to imagine the pitch for this one, for a start the film will be | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
starring Mel Gibson, never mind the drunken racist rants or claims of | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
domestic abuse. The role itself, not an action hero, or comic part, | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
but man suffering from depression. Get this, he decides the only way | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
to talk to his family is via a hand puppet of a beaver. Do you want to | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
get better. Who are you? I'm The Beaver Walter. Gibson plays Walter | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
Black a chronically depressed toy executive who stands to lose his | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
family if he doesn't make dramatic changes, he decides to communicate | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
with the world through a beaver hand puppet. The Beaver is Jodie | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
Foster's third directoral outing, she co-stars as Walter's long- | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
suffering wife. It is painfully emotional film. That is the biggest | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
surprise, that a movie can start out with such a high concept, and | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
by mid-way through the film you are so invested in the characters and | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
moved by them, you see your own small details and tapestrys of your | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
life with your family through them. You completely forget that he has a | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
puppet on his hand. The other troubled relationship is between | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
Walter and his son Porter, a teenager worried he's turning into | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
his father. This is a joke, right. No, son. It is a fresh start. | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
you completely lost your mind. know it seems. I'm not talking to | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
you nut job, I'm talking to mom. Could the role of Walter Black be a | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
case of art imitating life. An acknowledgement of one of | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Hollywood's biggest stars of his dramatic fall from grace. Has | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Gibson now come to terms with his inner demons. It is one of the | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
deepest performances Mel has ever again, and the most - given, and | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
one of the most true he has given. That is lucky, it is an incredibly | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
lucky skill to have the ability to look demons in the face, and say, | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
you know, I'm going to do whatever it takes to kick you in the ass. | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
Putting his personal controversy aside, is this the right vehicle to | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
turn Gibson's career around. person who handed you this card is | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
under the care of a prescription puppet. Designed to help create a | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
psychological distance between himself and the negative aspects of | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
his personality. Please treat him as you normally would, but address | :04:21. | :04:29. | |
yourself to the puppet, thank you. One of the questions I would never | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
have thought I would have asked on television, what do you think the | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
point of The Beaver is? Goodness no, I think Jodie Foster thinks she | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
does but doesn't really. On one level we are supposed to believe it | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
is a prescription puppet, that turns out to be a lie. Afterall it | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
is not a prescription puppet, is it a useful psychological tool | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
nonetheless in which he's able to voice his inner thoughts in way he | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
can't do directly? Or is it something that is actually taking | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
him over, that is psychotic. I don't think the film has made up | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
its mind, and I think there is a problem there. Did you think it was | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
credible, Jodie Foster was saying after a few minutes you are | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
completely absorbed and overtaken? The whole film work ones whether | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
you believe in the existence of The Beaver. Five minutes of thinking I | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
can't believe in it, five minutes of thinking maybe I can. The rest | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
of the film thinking I would like to kill this beaver. I found it | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
difficult to talk about, I almost cannot believe this film actually | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
exists. You are sitting there watching it and you keep getting | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
hit by waves of incredulity and that anyone has ever made this film. | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
It is the plot of American Beauty, through the imagination of Fred | :05:43. | :05:50. | |
West. You have a middle-aged man having a breakdown and unsufferably | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
twee teenagers. The tone is so odd. At times it thinks it is a commondy | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
or horror film or profound psychological drama. It is none of | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
them. The animal he speaks through should be a turkey, this is such a | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
disaster. Could it be that the idea of the beaver is man, male | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
menopause, this is his masculinity, the only way to communicate is | :06:14. | :06:24. | |
through the beaver which has a strong macho accent? A good try. It | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
is the accent is Michael Cain meets something else, they are trying to | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
externalise the depression and say all of this, the idea that the | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
depression is internal or chemical it can be dealt with pro-Zach or | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
getting a grip, you can't do that, I needs that is outside himself | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
that will articulate what he feels. Therefore, it is not going to be | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
him but everyone is going to have to accept it. The incredulity point | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
is important, the reaction of the family is unbelievable, we have a | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Muppet boy who loves the beaver, have you ever tried to do anything | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
weird around a child, they are the most conservative on the plan the. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
Then you have the cookie teenage thing, it is straight out of | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
American Beauty, a real waste of Jennifer Lawrence and a good cast. | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
There was one scene in the film that I really did think it was very | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
good, it is when Mel Gibson and The Beaver are on television, he, The | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
Beaver articulates in his mockney the philosophy behind it, it is a | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
complete story of a man who is having a mid-life crisis and the | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
justification of a middle-aged men everywhere for throwing his life | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
away, I thought it had a lot of power, why did you need The Beaver? | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
That is uncomfortably true, I don't believe in the premise, or Mel | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
Gibson as the depressed man, he has the tense face, he doesn't have the | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
slackness of somebody who is depressed. Yet I do believe in Mel | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
Gibson as the angry middle-aged man, I didn't need to know the events | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
going on in his events to believe that. I was queasy about this being | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
a rescue vehicle, it is a rescue vehicle by Mel Gibson by taking on | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
mental illness, they hope in some way to get him out of the career | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
crisis he has worked himself into. It is not to do with mental illness | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
but him. Was the performance a career rehabilitating one? | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
because the film isn't. His performance is. I find the things | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
Mel Gibson has done abhorrent, he's a great actor and film maker. If | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
you look at The Passion Of The Christ, it is a disgusting film and | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
extraordinary, and I think he's one of the most profound film makers of | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
our time. I think he has something incredible. I was torn, part of me | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
wants him to be rehabilitated, because I want to see his next film. | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
This is not the vehicle to do it. It does show his acting talents. | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
is an interesting question, how far can you distance an actor or artist | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
from his politics and private life? Yes, but I don't think that the | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
problem with this film is Mel Gibson's private life. I don't | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
think that's what's get anything the way there. I think the problem | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
with the film is, as Susan said, it just doesn't know what it is doing. | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
It has some really worthy things and some really whacky things, they | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
do not measure together. It is a very ambitious film, it is high | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
concept, it has been Anne tell gent Jodie Foster, whose own performance | :09:31. | :09:38. | |
was rather good It always it, there ising - it always is, there is a | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
kind of intelligence, even when she's not on the screen, we can see | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
her taking in stuff intelligently. It is the reaction shot that I like | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
of her's. I do think the film is a mess. It hasn't made up its mind | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
what it is. It drops into terrible sentimentality, the little boy and | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
the older child who suddenly comes back together with his father. | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
older son was interesting, isn't he a parallel to what's happening with | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
his father, he's also acting like a ventriloquist in his life, because | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
he's writing other people's essays and getting into their heads for a | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
speech? They may as well have flashing on the bottom of the | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
screen, "subtext", the recurring image of the son is him banging his | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
head against the wall, which is how the audience feels by the time you | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
get to that. The film doesn't let you get away from reminding you of | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
Mel Gibson and has narrative. The beaver said a great obituary you | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
have written for yourself. It is constantly drawing you back to | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
Gibson the man. Isn't it interesting that the psychotic | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
voice is Cockney! Let's be honest it was sometimes Cockney and | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
sometimes Australian. Sort of English? It is interesting. | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
The Beaver w its strange accent, opens across the UK next Friday. | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
There may never have been a better time to see funny faces off the | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
tele, treading the stages of London theatre, Catherine Tate is helping | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
David Tennant, making Much Ado About Nothing, while James Corden | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
is starring in The National in One Man, Two Guvnors. Meanwhile at the | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
Young Vic, half of The Mighty Boosh, Jean-Baptiste Baratte, meets one | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
third of - Julian Barratt, meets one third of Smack the Pony, in The | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
Government Inspector which opened last night. With news of an | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
imminent visit of a Government inspector to a small provincial | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
Russian town, the local mayor and inhabitants are sent into a frenzy | :11:42. | :11:51. | |
of social thought. Is he from there. Has he got a moustache. Is he very | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
distinguished. Is he privvy or state councillor, or a cleejic | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
councillor, is he a general? He's not a general. | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
He has to be higher than a general. Written by Ukrainian-born novelist, | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
Nikolai Gogol, in 1836, when Russia was struggling to compete | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
economically with the rest of the world. The play uses the device of | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
mistaken identity to expose the towns people's greed and corruption. | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
News of the incognito visitor spreads fast. How young a boy? | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
or so, young, very beyond his years, very travelled and worldly. | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
Cultured, he loves to read books and scribble down his thoughts | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
about the Stone Age, but his cave was too dark and Baltic, he seeks | :12:41. | :12:51. | |
out prolonged exposure to the arts. Brown hair, black hair, long, | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
feathered. When a fopish civil servant turns up and is Makin for | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
the inspector he's enjoying the attentions of the towns people. | :13:03. | :13:12. | |
lost my money on the road, could you lend me $300. Absolutely. | :13:12. | :13:20. | |
don't like to deny myself, why should I. I won't trouble your | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
excellencey any further. Do you have any thoughts about the postal | :13:23. | :13:33. | |
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service? I will write to you. Taking her talent from the TV to | :13:34. | :13:44. | |
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the stage are many stars. Adapted by the Scottish playwright David | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
Harrower. This new version is as lively on stage as it is on the | :13:51. | :13:58. | |
page. But has it managed to stay true to the original play. | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
We have a real sense of the vivacity of the production there. | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
How do you think it captures the spirit of the original Gogol? | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
don't think it does, it rollicks along, very amusingly, you saw from | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
the clip, it is a fantastic feat of getting people on and off the stage, | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
the language is very cleverly adapted to modern English in the | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
venacular. The problem is this is an angry play, written by Gogol as | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
a young man, angry about the conditions in the provinces and the | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
random nature of power from St Petersburg. This could be anywhere, | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
it could be a bad day for David Brent at the Office, when | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
management is checking up on his paper clip quota. This moral anger | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
is central to Russian comedy, they have lost it here. Did they | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
trivialise it? There is a sense of absurdity central to Russian comedy. | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
With The Government Inspector you can produce two different plays out | :14:56. | :15:04. | |
of it, one is that naturalistic, serious, funny, maybe, but deeply | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
satirical and dark version. But you can also make out of it something | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
that is farcical and really, really absurd. The moment you choose to go | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
for Richard Jones as director you have gone for the absurd, he won't | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
do anything else with it. What I liked about it, is it really | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
reconsidered it properly and turned it all the way into a farce. It is | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
a beautifuly constructed play, dramatic mechanism it has a perfect | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
lock on it. So actually it is quite difficult to re-think it, even as | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
farce. I thought they did it well. I'm a surprised you think that | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
goes back to the stream of Gogol f you go back to the short story The | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
Nose, about a bureaucrat whose nose runs away from him. This is like | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
The Mighty Boosh t loses some of the political edge, I don't think | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
that is something that Gogol disliked, he didn't like it when | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
was done in a socially realist way, when he saw productions like that. | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
My problem is with the basic production. It is really annoying | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
that theatre producers keep putting TV actors without theatre | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
experience and aren't that good at theatre, in the big roles where | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
they have to carry a big vow. Julian Barratt cannot do t and it | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
leaves a hole at the centre of the play. | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
Did you feel the performances were as bad as that? I think there were | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
wonderful performance, some of it was Amanda Lawrence Lawrence, she | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
used her body in the most amazing way. I thought Julian Barratt felt | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
uncomfortable on the stage, it improved as it went on. As long as | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
he was talking it was all right. When I was listening he didn't know | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
how to hold himself, that was the problem. Something about the play I | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
found interesting, I have always thought of as the mayor as the one | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
person in the town who has a kind of moral conscience, who does | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
understand what's happening, and this production made him into a | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
torturer, by the way it came to the end. I thought that took away a | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
kind of a feel to Julian Barratt's performance, who has gone on record | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
as saying we can't be too sympathetic to the mayor because | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
then we won't laugh at him. I don't think so, I think we could have | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
laughed at him and been sympathetic. I saw it the night after you, | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
perhaps he improved enormously in the 24 hours. I found him awkward | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
and uncomfortable in his skin. In way that when I saw it, contributed | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
to the character. That this was a mayor who is uneasy any way with | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
what he's doing so, when he has the stress dream, if it is a dream, | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
when the terrible thing happens to him it is bringing out the fears he | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
has any way. He's not very comfortable with himself. I know | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
you like this bit better than I did, of course there is absurdity galore | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
in Gogol, if you run it like that for the whole duration for the play, | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
you make it hard for the mayor and the imposter, they have to keep | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
going at the same pace and delivery for a long time. It is wearing, if | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
you lose the seriousness, you lose that kind of variety. This is a | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
play, which is so badly received, and is seen as so critical that | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
Gogol is forced into exile. So, yes, there is the absurdity, yes it is | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
meant to be farcical, and funny. But the seriousness of purpose, and | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
everything that it says it part and parcel of the work. It is a play | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
constantly revived, it speaks to something of our age at a time of | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
MPs' expenses and corruption. Nabakov thought it was the worst | :18:45. | :18:52. | |
play ever written t harsh on Chekov, it is a good translation by David | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
Harrower. There are beautiful moments of pathos, I think it works | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
best with them. When one of the people in the town just begs the | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
person he thinks is the Government inspector, when he goes back to St | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
Petersburg, to say in a town out in the stick there is a man called Bob | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
Chinsky, he wants the officials to know he exists. Where it is | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
prefiguring the Russian history to come worked well. They weren't too | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
loaded. I thought the hints of it, it reminded me of the Dostoevksy | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
novel The Devil, which anticipates so clearly the nightmare that is on | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
its way. Before leaving it, we should talk about the way it is | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
staged. Extraordinary design, and a joy to watch? It is gorgeous. | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Everything works, the sound, and the sight and the colours in it. I | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
think, I also think we have to mention, Khlestakov, Kyle Soller, | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
who was like a maniac imp, with more bounce than I have ever seen | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
anybody on a stage. He was literally jumping on the ground, on | :19:54. | :20:04. | |
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the sofas 0 - and on to bookshelves. And also from Do you know McKeekin? | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
But it was also like thank Kyle Soller was like the death of | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
Chaterton, he was the boy with red hair and instead of dying | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
consumptionively, he was bouncing on sofas. Didn't he remind you of | :20:22. | :20:32. | |
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Ange, doing these movements. It has been four years since the | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
Australian comedian, Chris Lilley last appeared on screen in the | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
critically acclaimed mockumentary, height height. This year he | :20:45. | :20:52. | |
returned - Summer Heights High. This year he returned playing a | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
eclectic collection of characters in Angry Boys. Comedy from the | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
southern Hemisphere, has given us some much-loved characters, from | :21:00. | :21:10. | |
Barry Humphreys Dame Edna, to Kath & Kim. Look and me Kim. Chris | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
Lilley, stand-up comedian, added to this collection, with Summer | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
Heights High, which ran on BBC Three in 2008. Lilley played a | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
remarkable range of characters in an Australian High School. | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
Including spoilt schoolgirl Jamie. Oh my God. And self-deillusional | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
drama theatre Mr G. I just perform for the kids for a whole lesson, to | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
give them a benchmark of how things are done. So they can see someone | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
at a professional industry level, and how they handle the performance | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
side of things. However, his latest series, Angry Boys, gives the | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
mockumentary a more cutting edge. Featuring controversial characters | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
like Gran, the less than PC prison guard. You are a light skin, I know | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
you're an Aborigine, but a light skin. And twin delinquent, Danal | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
and Nathan Sims, who first made an appearance in Lilley's debut series, | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
We Can Be Heroes. He never wants to talk, he reckons if he does he | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
sounds like a full Plastic, and he reckons we always laugh at him, and | :22:20. | :22:29. | |
we do. Hey Nae, say "my name is Nathan and I'm a big deaf spas". | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
Danal is a big deaf spas. This premiered in Australia last | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
month to rave reviews and high ratings. Viewing figures for later | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
episodes have declined. As Lilley's humour takes ever darker turns, has | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
he pushed the boundaries of the mockumentary. # Balls, balls | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
# I got big Blackballs | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
# Let me show you Very much Chris Lilley's work, | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
playing all these characters, writing, producing, co-directing, | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
it shows great versatility in this, I suppose. There are really three | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
masters of this mockumentary style, or this new form of sitcom, Ricky | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
Gervais, Larry David and Chris Lilley. It is a strange thing where | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
it is both comedy of extreme social awkwardness, tinged with real | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
sadness. It take as while to set those things up. If you watch the | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
first episodes of any of their shows it take as while to get going. | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
For those new to it, it would seem odd. Summer Heights High is one of | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
the best comedies of the past ten years. He hasn't done what Ricky | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
Gervais did after The Office, he's gone for more of the same thing. It | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
feels odd, but will grow into something great. Did you admire the | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
technical skill in this I admire the technical skill but I hated it. | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
Maybe I'm not the person for mockumentary. I didn't enjoy it at | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
all. There is a very basic problem of imitation here. If you imitate | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
people who are bored, most of the time, boring, racist, offensive, | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
the problem in the end is not that they are racist and offensive, that | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
is contextualised, you can read that sat teirically, sometimes I | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
wonder - satirically, sometimes I wonder why, I'm bored. I would go | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
between the two, I thought it did get better. The second episode felt | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
much more alive to me than the first episode. Did it make me laugh. | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
It is not exactly my thing. I laughed actually, the less PC it | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
was, the funnier I found it, but I didn't even find it that funny. I | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
like the character of Gran, in way. Gran is the racist prison guard, we | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
saw there dividing the young boys into dark and light skined? And who | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
keeps guinea pigs and has a game with the boy goch cha, where she | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
tells one of them he's about to be released and then says gotcha. That | :25:09. | :25:18. | |
turned dark for me and I liked S Mouse. He said, I'm really radical | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
because I have puct situation, in the middle of - puct situation in | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
the middle of my name. In the second episode with S. Mousse, I | :25:30. | :25:40. | |
:25:40. | :25:42. | ||
thought was funny. It worked - S Mouse. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
It was very, very funny, and it also took that apart. I thought | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
that worked very well. You saw then the effect that it had back on the | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
hopeless crowd back in Oz. On the anti-PC point, I think one should | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
say it is fairly broad stuff. very BBC Three, you have to have | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
just come in from the pub to watch it. That is probably what most of | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
the audience will have done. I thought it got less funny when they | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
repeated these very anti-PC joke, whether they were about race or | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
masturbation, or body parts. Because the first time you go, oh, | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
they said, that the second time it is like they said that before. Why | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
do I have to be amused another time. Is there a risk with some of the | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
anti-PC jokes, whether they are racist or joke about the deaf twin, | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
that so. Audience will be thinking that is fatastically ironic, others | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
will think that is very funny because he said the word "spas". | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
The crucial question is who is the joke on, it is never on the deaf | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
brother, it is the idiot brother laughing at him. That is the strain | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
going through comdee. You can't judge comedy by the reaction of the | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
stupidist members of the audience, if you think about Alf Garnett | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
people always misunderstood the characters. If you compare it to | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
Jim Davidson, blacking up, or little Britain, where the joke is | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
on the weaker character, that is not the case here. You would have | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
to be really quite dumb to misread this as laughing at the deaf person, | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
that never happens. Part of my objection to it is the sense of | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
waste. When you see Chris Lilley acting, really acting as Gran, for | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
example, you Israel yois that Chris Lilley is, I think, possibly - | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
realise that Chris Lilley is, I think, possibly the best actor we | :27:32. | :27:39. | |
have seen tonight. Better than the puppet! Better than Mel Gibson and | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
Jodie Foster, he's a real shape shifter actor and needs better | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
material. What about the Australian working-class, here we have had a | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
big debate about chavs the demonisation of the working-class a | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
new book out what do you make that have? If you were watching this in | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
Australia, there might be an why theity with the cull tue, and you | :27:59. | :28:09. | |
may join in - Identifying with the culture, we may join in watching it. | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
We're watching it from here, but here from here the joke is on the | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
working-class Australians. That is profoundly wrong f you look all the | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
way through Chris Lilley, the joke in Summer Heights High, there is a | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
rich girl the joke is on, and an incredibly sympathetically | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
portrayed poor kid. It would be patronising to exempt one | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
particular group of people from his school of mockery. I think it is | :28:34. | :28:42. | |
true, if you look at S. Mouse, is he's a rapper who is pretending to | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
be street, smack your elbow, and his father is on there saying, look | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
at our house, we are rich. He comes from the middle-classes. I thought | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
that worked wonderfully well. I thought that the working-class | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
characters were less successful for me, because I really felt too | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
uncomfortable with those twins. I felt it was quite repetitive. It | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
didn't seem to move on. In that way, I don't think it worked for them. | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
What do you think about the grenre of mockumentary, we have seen so | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
many now over the years, is it reaching the end of its time? | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
wonder, if we still made the time capsules, if they did one now it | :29:21. | :29:31. | |
would be full of mockumentary. They would thinking S. Mouse we have to | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
look him up. Chris Lilley is new to me. Lots said, lots of flaws and | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
icky bits, but it is really good. Even if it is the last one on the | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
planet, I'm sticking with it. is another chance to see the first | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
two episodes of Angry Boys on BBC Three, later tonight in fact. And | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
the next two episodes premier on Tuesday. | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
Andrew Miller is one of those authors who seemed to relish an | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
historical challenge, his first two novel, Ingenious Pain and Casanova, | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
are both set in the 18th century. The most recent money, Morning | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
Glory, takes place in Japan on the - One Morning Like A Bird, takes | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
place in Japan. For book number six, Pure, he returns to the 18th | :30:13. | :30:20. | |
century to set a story in prerevolutionary Paris. | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
"my Lord, I have made an initial examination of both the church and | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
the cemetery, and see no reason to delay the work your Lordship has | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
entrusted to me. It will be necessary to recruit at least 30 | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
able bodied men for the cemetery. It is a book set in Paris a few | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
years before the revolution. It concerns a cemetery in the centre | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
of par bri, the mid-18th century was poisoning the entire | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
neighbourhood, and indeed that side of the city. | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
So my novel, my story is about a young engineer, who comes from the | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
provinces, sets about the destruction of the cemetery, and | :31:05. | :31:15. | |
:31:15. | :31:25. | ||
the church. He is, in a sense, The revolution is very much present | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
in the wings of the book. This is a city before the storm. In its last | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
moments of a way of life that was coming soon to an end. Black | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
letters on the cemetery wall, tall, ragged, unignoreable letters | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
extending from the cemetery door. Fat kings, slut Queen, beware, | :31:48. | :31:56. | |
Beche is digging a hole big enough to bury all Versailles. Set in mid- | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
18th century, and I say there is much that a reader can connect with. | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
It is a time of, I don't know, banks and tourism and police, and | :32:07. | :32:13. | |
police force, and hotels and postal services and whatever. It is the | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
beginnings of a polite society, beginnings of new ideas about how | :32:19. | :32:29. | |
:32:29. | :32:40. | ||
we might be, what a society should "a year of rape, suicide, sudden | :32:40. | :32:48. | |
death, of friendship too, of love. So Gillian, starting point for this | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
is an extraordinary real life event, the excavation of a cemetery. The | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
whole book is infused, in way, with decay? It is, and it is also | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
infused with the period where it is. Andrew Miller is very good at | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
evoking the period, and making you feel that you are inhabiting it, | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
and the stink of it. And the world of it. But I did, I have to say, I | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
thought there was something slightly odd about this book, in | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
the sense that, at the same time as I thought it was extremely well | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
written, and there are wonderful scenes in it, I also thought, | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
reading it in the weak way, talking about women's writing has a | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
sentimental sense of society, I actually thought this book had a | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
sentimental sense of society. And part of the reason I thought that | :33:33. | :33:41. | |
was the women characters. That, you know, apart from the crazy ziinggit, | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
who was my favourite character, the daughter of the landlord that this | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
engineer is staying with, and who acts in way that nobody understands. | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
There was theer who with the heart of gold, there was the - the whore | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
with the heart of gold, there was the young girl who looks after her | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
grandfather and everybody else. And the landitey who looks after the - | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
landlady who looks after the artist. Did you think the women characters | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
were stereotypical? Some where, but actually I had more time for them | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
than you did. Partly because I think a lot of this book is about | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
what you can do with rationality and what you can't do with | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
rationality. And yes, it's gender divided, but we have the engineer | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
as the very spokesperson of the active person of an 18th century | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
rationality that works. It is one of the interesting things about | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
this novel, it is one of those rare novels which is about work and | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
about effective work, all these things happen, rape, murder mayhem, | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
you name it, but the cemetery gets cleared. The women don't speak, but | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
they have a presence that is very important to the balance. This idea | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
runs right through the book, the contrast between rationality, the | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
ideas of the enlightenment, and religion, the church, mad priests | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
lurking in the background? It is murder, mayhem and metaphysics, one | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
thing I really liked about the book, is he takes the novel of ideas | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
seriously. You never feel that someone is acting or speaking in | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
way only to be there for rationalism. What is so great about | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
the story is he starts out as the engineer, the rational man, as he | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
digs down into the bones, and there is the past and religiosity comes | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
back at him, and comes back at his whole ideals. In the end his | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
identity is unwound, he cannot really relate his rationalism to | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
what he has been doing, he's hyperrational thinking it doesn't | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
matter. Digging up a few bones at the beginning of the story, what | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
could go so wrong, it all goes so wrong, it is incredibly cleverly | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
controlled, very touching. This whole idea of being pure, | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
maintaining a moral position in the mid of this decay shows to be | :35:56. | :36:03. | |
impossible? He has done something startling impressive, he has taken | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
a historical event, and made it intellectually and emotionally | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
alive, by using this metaphor that prefigures the revolution. We | :36:14. | :36:20. | |
talked about the revolution talking about the democracy of the dead. | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
Clearing out a graveyard is brilliant metaphor for that. He | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
take it is and makes it so vivid, he doesn't patronise the past or | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
make you feel a moment when he's displaying his research, you never | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
feel a moment when the characters become sieveers for the ytdz, even | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
- siefers for the ideas, and it is a brilliant novel. You have a sense | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
of the impending French Revolution and there are various moments in | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
the book, the action of the miners and you get a sense of the tumult | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
going to be unleashed? You get it from the graffiti coming up around | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
the city, and through the strangeness of the miners who don't | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
even speak the same language, stuck in the graveyard doggedly digging | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
up bones. You have the feeling that something is about to blow. I was | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
sorry that something didn't blow a little more and sooner in the book | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
for me. I sometimes felt that it had quite a lilting rhythm, which I | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
admired, I wanted a bit more disruption at some point. I liked | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
the excavation, that we worked our way through it. Pure by Andrew | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
Miller was published this week. Once again, our own angry boy, Will | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
Gompertz, has about out and about on our behalf. After Venice last | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
week, he stayed closer to home for a look at what to expect from the | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
London 2012, Cultural Olympiad, which you haven't noticed has been | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
running for three years already. So, just 413 days until the 2012 | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
Olympics, which, of course, is jolly exciting. But perhaps not as | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
exciting as the last three years of the British Cultural Olympiad, we | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
have been really enjoying that, haven't we? Haven't we? | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
Cultural Olympiad? I don't know. Ifrpblgt I don't know what is the | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
Cultural Olympiad. What does this man think of the Cultural Olympiad? | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
The Cultural Olympiad. What is that? I don't think I have heard of | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
the Cultural Olympiad. What do you mean? | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
OK, so awareness of the Cultural Olympiad is clearly pretty low. The | :38:29. | :38:37. | |
arts have always been part of the modern Olympics, up until the early | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
19th century there were medals handed out for painting. We had an | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
arts competition' V & A. This time we thought we would go large, and | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
spent �18 million on a four-year cultural Olympiad. It is fair to | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
say we have established the first three years of the four-year | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
Cultural Olympiad, and it has failed to capture the public | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
imagination. The organisers have a new plan to do a new festival on | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
June 21st, which they say will be the UK's biggest-ever festival. To | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
celebrate the finale of the Cultural Olympiad. I think we are | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
talking about the Festival of Britain here. It means there will | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
be a royal Shakespeare festival, and a Pinobaust season, fantastic. | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
It looks good, what about my new found friends at the national | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
gallery what do they want? Justin Bieber, marry me! | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
Fish and chips, I like fish and chips. A few famous faces. | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
Different bands, classical music as well as pop and rock. Tribunal | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
music, or just mud tribal music, not just mainstream. Clint Eastwood | :39:53. | :40:03. | |
or John Wayne. I definitely fancy Robbie Williams. Robbie Williams. | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
As an American I don't know about British writers. Shakespeare. | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
Modern art or anything like that. That painter, the guy he painted | :40:14. | :40:24. | |
:40:24. | :40:30. | ||
the ceiling. A space simulator. Michael anglo-. He's dead! | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
Who do you pick for the Olympiad? At a time when arts organisations | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
are being cut, they should have put it in the pot so organisations | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
doing great work didn't close. idea is to get things out of London | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
and around the country, it is great idea. London theatre is in | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
fantastic phase, lots of good writing, fantastic writers, I hope | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
they get some on the road and get them out. | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
Well, that's almost all for tonight. Remember you can catch up with all | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
things review on the website. And the team here are primed and ready | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
for The Tweets. My thanks to Gillian and Susan, and Anne and | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
Johann, and the latest addition to our film, The Beaver. Most obedient | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
of our panel. Suzy Klein will be here with highlights of the | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
Edinburgh International Film Festival. We end with music from | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
Jonathan Jeremiah, his new single, Heart of Stone. | :41:29. | :41:36. | |
# I've been feeling # Like you messed me around | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
# I've been hurting # But there's no way out | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
# I've been hurting # But there's no way out | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
# If' been reeling # I've been reeling since the day | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
you left # Now I'm wandering | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
# I'm wandering # I say I'm wondering how | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
# You've no regrets # I've been wondering how | :42:06. | :42:15. | |
# You've no regrets # You got a heart of stone | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
# You got a heart that feels so cold | :42:18. | :42:25. | |
# But I'm not letting go # I'm just letting you know | :42:25. | :42:35. | |
:42:35. | :42:37. | ||
# You got a heart of stone # I've been thinking | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
# I've been thinking since you put me down | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
# I've been better # I'll be better | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
# I'll be so much better # Off without | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
# I'll be better # Better | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
# Off without # I'll be better better | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
# Off without # Oh yeah | :42:59. | :43:06. | |
# You got a heart of stone # You got a heart that feels so | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
cold # I'm not letting go | :43:10. | :43:20. | |
:43:20. | :43:37. | ||
# I'm just letting you know # You got a heart of stone | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
# You got a heart that feels so cold | :43:40. | :43:48. | |
# I'm not letting go # I'm just letting you know | :43:48. | :43:57. | |
# You got a heart of stone # You got a heart that feels so | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
cold # I'm not letting go | :43:59. | :44:04. |