Episode 19 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable

where today one player must once again

answer a series of tricky questions to try and walk away with a jackpot

of over £3,000.

As always, they're not on their own.

They will have a panel of famous faces

debating their way to the answers.

Will they be able to talk the talk, though?

That's debatable. Let's meet them.

Straight-talking today,

we have comedian Russell Kane,

we have writer Germaine Greer

and we have actress Sunetra Sarker.

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It's a fine panel. Well-balanced, I think.

Germaine, you're taking charge today in the middle.

How are you feeling about that?

I'll feel better when I've got used to doing it.

You have two fine debaters on either side of you there.

Russell Kane. Russell, of course, is there anything you don't know?

Yes, any form of sport, darts through football.

If I try and throw a dart, it goes sideways.

If I kick a football, it goes over my head.

I can't do anything to do with sport and I'm such an egomaniac

I don't like stuff I'm not good at.

Germaine, you are quite good on sport.

I keep pretending to follow a football team

because you have to be allowed to join the human race.

And who do you pretend to follow?

Arsenal.

BOOING

Oh.

An Arsenal supporter in the middle seat, Sunetra,

means the chances of the panellists actually winning today

are quite slim.

Living in Liverpool, you have to be a football fan.

It's a bit like what you said. You have to be part of the human race.

-It's the law.

-Yeah.

And there's only the choice of two teams,

Liverpool or Liverpool Reserves.

So, that's the choice.

That's your panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Hazel from Leeds.

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-How are you doing?

-Very well, thanks.

-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you.

-Tell us a bit about yourself.

-I'm from Leeds.

I've got an 18-year-old son.

I work for the University of Leeds, for the medical school.

What do you do at the medical school?

I look after timetables for students

who are becoming doctors in year one.

Hazel, can I just say, the moment you said, "I look after timetables",

you got a little bit stricter with me already. You did.

-I can't help it.

-Is everything running on time so far?

As far as I can see, everything is fine, yeah.

What do you do in your spare time?

I love reading. I like gardening.

When Jay is at home we'll watch TV together,

being quite scathing about it -

but we are massive, huge fans of Game Of Thrones.

OK. So, you're taking it highbrow?

I think that's what it is, yeah.

What type of stuff are you hoping is going to come up today?

Anything on literature. Films and TV I'm particularly good at.

I was a little bit disappointed to hear how little the panel know

about sport because that's really where I was hoping for some support.

So, fingers crossed there is no sport.

OK. What do you make of today's panel?

-I think they look intelligent.

-Oh, they look intelligent!

They do, that!

All righty. You need to pay close attention to what these guys say

because at the end of the show

you'll pick one for the Final Debate.

-OK.

-First, we've got to play the game.

-Ready to go?

-I am.

Here it comes. Let's play Round 1.

OK, Hazel. Round 1 is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers.

Only one is correct.

Four questions in the round. Each correct answer is worth £200.

So at the end of this round, no doubt you will have £800

in your prize pot.

-Fantastic.

-OK, here's hoping. Let's get cracking.

I think I would really look forward to hearing

what the panel has got to say

because that's not something I'm an expert on, I'm afraid.

No doubt our panel have sunk a few cases of this

during their time.

The debate starts now.

OK, Russell, what do you reckon?

Well, if you drink it the same year it is harvested,

the grape comes relatively late on the vine in the year,

not much before March or April, does it?

You aren't going to get a grape off the vine before summer

and to tread it and get it out there...

What do you reckon, Sunetra?

You know what? I'm erring towards June because

it feels like that gives it six months to get it growing

and then six months to get it out and sold.

Because...if you bring it out in December,

it's not really got much life before you're into the next year.

Let's see if we can just remember when you see the signs

in the wine shops saying, "the Beaujolais, c'est arrive."

It builds up its sugar in September while the soil is still warm

and the sun still out. Then it's got to be harvested, as you say,

and that takes time, and then it has to be fermented and drawn off.

I'm thinking it's November that it appears in the wine shops.

I think it's picked in June and goes out in September.

What precludes September?

Why can't it be September?

Well, it can't be picked in June because it's not ripe.

You can't make wine out of...

In fact, in June, the grapes are tiny little buttons.

September or November,

but, what you've just said about June and the grapes being too tiny

has convinced me it's November.

That's what I'm thinking. No, maybe not.

If you're saying it's too small in June, then when does it get picked?

You're saying maybe August or September?

-September.

-And then it can reach the shops realistically by November.

It's a special delivery. I mean...

It comes very swiftly once it's been drawn off.

OK. There is our basis.

We've got the decision based on that, which is clever.

Uh-oh! If it's wrong I'm for the high jump.

So the panel has decided that it is November

that the Beaujolais goes on sale.

So, Hazel, both Sunetra and Russell deferring to Germaine.

Germaine, of course, obviously knows her good French wine

because she's an Arsenal supporter

and that's what they drink on the terraces up there.

That's what I've heard.

It was good listening to the discussion.

I did think that was a really good point about the grapes being

too small in June,

so I think I'm going to agree with the panel and say November.

OK. Based on the logic of the summer in Europe,

-you are going for November.

-Yeah.

The correct answer for £200 is...

It is November. Well done.

-Thank you very much.

-Well done.

Under French law -

who knew that the French had rules and regulations about their wine?

But they do! The wine is released precisely on the third Thursday

in November at 12:01am.

Just weeks after the wine's grapes have been harvested.

OK, Hazel. Well done. Up and running.

£200 in the prize pot.

Fantastic.

Question two.

That is not something I have ever heard of,

but I think there's somebody on the panel who might be...

Who do you think the person on the panel may be, Hazel?

Russell. No, I mean Germaine!

OK. Germaine and the rest of the panel, your debate starts now.

Oh, dear. Oh, dear.

This is feminism GCSE.

I've never heard of this before.

How shocking is that?

What I'm thinking is that they like to use the name "mirror"

for women's magazines. So, you have a women's mirror.

The only thing I was going to say

was that mirror has some kind of recognition of being female

because of the magazines, but 1903?

I don't know which one of the newspapers started then.

The Daily Mail is a tough one to take.

That was run by what's-his-name?

Lord something-or-other started it.

Beaverbrook, isn't it?

The other thing about the Daily Mirror

-is it's always had a socialist connection, hasn't it?

-BOTH: Yes.

-I tend to think that women are natural socialists.

-Yup.

There could have been a paper called the Daily Star that came out in 1903

and then, as is not uncommon with women's enterprises,

-went stony broke and disappeared.

-Mm-hm.

That would be a hard one for us if there was this valiant little paper

that rose and sank, this little star.

What are we going to go for, boys and girls?

It's got to be the Mirror. Has to be.

-Let's try the Mirror.

-It has to be.

The panel has decided with no great certainty and great trepidation

to go with the Daily Mirror.

So Hazel, they've talked around a little bit of history.

They have gone with the female magazine

and "mirror" in the title.

I've never heard of a paper for women run by women.

It is a very tough one, but I think I'm going to go with the panel

and say Daily Mirror.

OK, you're going with the panel again.

You are saying Daily Mirror.

For another £200, the correct answer is...

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The Daily Mirror. Well played. Very well done.

Oh, we are so happy!

By happy you mean relieved.

Yes.

It was launched in 1903 by Alfred Harmsworth, later Lord Northcliffe,

as a newspaper for women with a mainly female editorial staff,

but, apparently, within a few months,

it had a new editor and the so-called experiment came to an end.

All of that means it's another 200 quid into your prize pot.

Two out of two, you are up to £400, Hazel.

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Here comes question three.

Well, I wasn't looking forward to any sport questions

and I thought that something else was going to come up there,

so I will be very interested to hear what the panel has to say.

The good news is our panel has great sporting expertise.

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Panel, let's see if you can help us a little bit on this.

Your debate starts now.

At least they're mainstream sports, anyway.

The irony is that piste always makes you feel like it's winter,

because of the snow, piste, those sort of relevance.

-It's a summer sport.

-Well, the piste is the track.

The piste is the ski jumping...

But it's wherever you are following a track.

-If you're off your route.

-If you're off piste, you're off the track.

Canoeing happens on water.

I don't know that I can think of piste used for water.

Maybe because they do slalom with canoes, don't they?

-There is the sort of...

-That is kayaking, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-Dressage.

-That could have a piste.

-Horses.

But I've got a funny feeling that it's fencing,

and I used to fence when I was a lass at the YWCA.

I used to go from school.

-I was actually the referee at the Melbourne Olympics...

-Wow!

for the fencing team in French.

But you must have heard the word piste, then?

Therefore, have you ever heard them saying, "they went off piste?"

Or they were on piste?

If you've done all that in fencing, and never heard the word piste?

That's what I'm kind of thinking it is called in fencing.

You were moving towards canoeing.

Well, only because of the...

For me, the likelihood of the skiing off piste.

-You have to follow the track.

-It is a track so you can go off piste.

I'm worried that I can't remember it being used in fencing,

-that's why I'm not...

-I was totally with you, "I did it as a girl",

"I was involved in the Olympics, and I don't recall the term."

So it's probably not fencing, then.

Surely you would remember that?

I'm beginning to warm to canoeing

and the fact that you go through sticks, you go through the poles.

I'm going to say we have decided that the Summer Olympics sport

that uses a piste is...canoeing.

So, Hazel, you said you weren't a sports expert.

Our panel said they weren't sports experts either,

but Germaine used to fence as a little girl.

She was a referee in the Melbourne Olympics, which, I mean,

it's quite sporty to me.

It's quite sporty.

I can see what they're saying with the idea of a piste being a track,

but I think that I'm not going to agree with the panel this time.

I think I'm going to go for dressage

because I'm thinking that it sounds French, so does piste,

so for that reason I'm going to go for dressage.

Hats off to that.

OK. For £200, let's see.

The correct answer is...

Oh!

-After all that.

-After all that.

-Your first thought...

-Was the right one.

-..right one, Germaine.

No money there, but there's still plenty of time and you're still on

£400.

Final question in this round.

Let's see what we can do with this one. Here we go.

That's difficult. I've heard of everybody except EB White,

and I'm sure I would remember

if I heard somebody's middle name was Boynton.

So I could really do with the panel's help.

-It sounds very Yorkshire.

-Do you think so?

-It sounds a bit Leeds.

I don't know anybody with the middle name Boynton from Leeds.

Well, let's turn this over to our very well-read panel.

Your debate starts now.

Right. Well, WB is...

-Is the poet.

-..is William Butler Yeats.

-Oh, well done.

-Well, Cecil B DeMille...

Is Cecil, is he a film...?

He's a film director.

Isn't he the man who said, "Bring on the empty horses"?

He's the one... "I'm ready for my close-up."

"Bring on the empty horses or my middle name isn't Boynton"...

-I don't know if that helps.

-I'm ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille.

-What is Priestley's middle name?

-I actually have looked this up.

But I cannot remember what it was.

Yes, you can, just take a deep breath.

-You'd remember if it was Boynton.

-I like to think I would remember.

One of the things that is worrying me is that there is a Boynton Street

in Boston and I think EB White is American.

See, for me it would be between EB White or JB Priestley -

and if you're saying you've looked it up...

I'm saying I looked it up, but I don't recall it.

It's definitely not an English middle name.

What this means is we're not coming to any decisions.

-We are guessing, this is going to be a guess.

-Potluck.

-You are guessing EB White.

-I'm guessing EB White.

Let's go EB White.

The panel has guessed,

that is to say decided,

that the famous person who had the middle name Boynton

was EB White.

There we go. Great conviction from our panel on a blind guess.

Yeah, that makes it quite difficult.

I think this time I will go with the panel because I have no idea.

I'll go with EB White.

OK, you have no clue either, but you're going with the panel's guess

of EB White.

For £200,

the correct answer is...

JB Priestley.

Irish parents.

His full name was John Boynton Priestley.

-John.

-Best known for his play An Inspector Calls.

Young John Priestley or Jack Priestley to his friends and family,

is thought to have adopted the B and the Boynton

while growing up in Bradford.

-Bradford?

-Really?

-Thought it was Yorkshire.

Before the First World War.

EB White, the author of Stuart Little and Charlotte's Web

-was Elwyn Brooks White.

-Oh, yes!

Germaine was right. WB Yeats of course, William Butler Yeats,

and the Hollywood film producer was Cecil Blount.

All of that round of knowledge doesn't help, Hazel, I'm afraid.

Nothing for that question,

but it means at the end of Round 1, you are still on £400.

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This is the first point of the show where we ask you

how our panel are doing. What do you think?

I think they are all doing fantastically well.

There's been some really difficult questions.

And anyone standing out for a good reason or a bad reason?

I think at this point they are all as good as each other.

-Very diplomatic. Very diplomatic.

-Yeah.

OK, Hazel, well, let's see how they cope with pictures.

It's time for Round 2.

OK, Hazel, Round 2 is our picture round.

You must place three pictures in the correct order.

Three questions in this round.

The money goes up to £300 for every correct answer.

A possible 900 quid for the prize pot.

Here we go.

It should be quite easy because they are all quite contemporary,

but I would like to hear what the panel have to say.

OK, panel, let's see if we can sort this out.

Your debate starts now.

-Well, Russell knows.

-I think I know, yeah.

-And you know.

I think so.

I think this one isn't as hard as some of the rounds.

So what do we think?

Well, he lost in the '97 election to Tony Blair.

Yeah, but how many terms had he done before that?

I don't know how many terms, but I know Thatcher resigned

right at the start of the '90s and the election was '97,

so it is more or less seven years.

And he did it, he didn't get to do the last term,

so he is the shortest.

-He did the coalition.

-Yeah.

That was 2...

-2009, 2010. 2010 maybe?

-He was about five years,

he was about six years and he was about ten.

-Yeah.

-The panel has decided that it goes in this order,

Cameron, Major, Blair.

OK, that's what our panel think.

But have they managed to convince you?

Well, they all sounded very sure and I'm definitely going to go with

-the panel on this one.

-OK.

So you're going to go with the panel, Hazel.

Is that the correct order?

For £300.

It is!

David Cameron was PM for around six years and two months

from May 2010 to June 2016.

John Major was PM for around six years and five months

from November 1990 to May 1997.

Tony Blair then took over for PM in 1997 for almost ten years

and two months, from May '97 to June 2007.

Well played. £300 into the prize pot.

-You're up to £700.

-Wow!

Well done, guys. That was it.

You knew it.

OK, well played, Hazel. Still £600 up for grabs in this round.

Here comes your second question.

Well, I am one of those star signs, so I know one of the months

-for definite.

-OK, you are a...?

-Gemini.

-I see big money coming your way.

Yeah, I do too.

So it will be interesting to hear what the panel say,

but I think I've got a pretty good idea anyway.

Panel, let's see what's in your future. Your debate starts now.

-Anyone one of these signs?

-I like this question for once.

-Are you a Libra by any chance?

-OK, you take over because I don't know

-anything about them.

-Really?

I just thought this was... Because there's only a choice of 12,

so as long as you sort of know what they are.

Like Hazel has just said, I know Gemini.

My son is a Gemini and he's June.

My sister is also a Gemini so it's end of May, June. Leo is August.

-That's me.

-The lion.

-I'm a Leo.

-August 19th.

-You're not a Libra, are you?

-I'm Aquarius with Aquarius rising. Can't you tell?

-That's January.

I'm cancer with a Leo rising, however Libra is September.

-Yeah, that's right.

-There's Gemini, then there's Cancer, then Leo,

then there's Virgo, then there's Libra.

My mum's Gemini, June 11th, my brother is Cancer, June 27th.

-I'm Leo, August 19th.

-I love it, I love star signs.

Completely lost on me, I'm afraid.

But the learned panel has decided that the order is

Gemini, Leo, Libra.

OK, Hazel. Who knew that Sunetra was such a Mystic Meg?

-Septic Peg.

-A Septic Peg over in the corner there,

not just giving us the answer but giving us quite a few others.

-OK, Hazel.

-Yep. Well, they completely echoed what I thought.

-Following the panel.

-OK, you're sticking with your original thought.

-Yep.

-And you're going with the panel.

-Yep.

-Gemini, Leo and Libra.

For another £300, is that the correct answer?

-It is!

-Brilliant!

-Of course it was.

-Well done.

Leo runs from July 23rd,

in or thereabouts, to August 22nd.

Libra runs from September 23rd to October 23rd.

Gemini runs from around May 21st to June 21st.

That's another 300 quid into the prize pot.

You're doing ever so well. You're up to £1,000, Hazel.

Yeah, that's great.

And we're not done in this round yet.

Still another chance.

For £300, here comes your next question.

I will apologise for calling A-ha "A-haaa" in an Alan Partridge way.

I really loved A-ha,

so I happen to know that they won't have had their first hit first,

but I'm not too sure about the other two,

so it will be interesting to hear

what the panel have to say.

-I would imagine that Sunetra...

-Funny you should say that, Patrick.

Why me? All the clever questions go down that end,

-anything to do with...

-But that's not true at all.

I'm just trying to work out who may have had a poster of some of these

gentlemen on their wall.

Who knows? Panel, let's see.

The debate starts now.

Well, this is one debate in which I cannot really take part.

The reason this is a bit tricky is because of Duran Duran

and Spandau Ballet. Like Hazel said, I was a big fan of A-ha.

However, I was a bigger fan of Duran Duran and I did have a poster

of Duran Duran on my wall and I have been to see them in concert

and Save A Prayer is one of my favourite songs ever.

The only one I remember is A-ha. When I was at school.

I think that's quite late in the '80s,

-I think that's about '87.

-Yeah, they were around then.

-But the other two...

-The other two were around a lot earlier.

I would personally guess that Duran Duran were around

just before Spandau Ballet.

Spandau Ballet were the ones who sang Gold.

-"Gold!"

-And True and...

-Yeah.

-This would be my guest.

They were both around the same era,

but I think Duran Duran had their first top 40 hit with...

Now you are going to ask me. Is it Girls On Film?

I don't know. Maybe.

OK. So, the learned members of the panel,

who in this case do not include me,

have decided that these bands go in the following order,

and that's Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and A-ha.

OK, Hazel. What do we think of that?

I'm a little bit torn

because I had a cousin who was a little bit older than me

and she actually gave me a Spandau Ballet dress, of all things.

-Really?

-Yeah.

-So, I'm not going to go with Sunetra.

-OK.

I'm going to say that

it was Spandau Ballet,

then Duran Duran and then A-ha.

-Controversial, Hazel.

-I know.

-So...

Our panel went with Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, then A-ha.

You have gone against them.

-You've gone for Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran and A-ha.

-Yep.

For £300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order!

You were right.

-Well done.

-There we go.

-Thanks to your cousin.

-Yeah, thanks to my cousin, yeah.

Spandau Ballet's first top 40 hit was in 1980

with To Cut A Long Story Short.

Duran Duran was 1981 with Planet Earth.

-One year in it.

-A year!

-And A-ha was 1985, Take On Me.

So sorry.

I've never heard of that Spandau Ballet hit, so...

No, it's fine. It's only a year.

Really short to choose from.

-Hazel, it doesn't matter, because you knew.

-Yes!

-I know.

And that's another £300, so at the end of Round 2,

your prize pot stands at £1,300.

Wow!

And there's still £1,500 up for grabs in Round 3.

Forgetting the fact that the panel got the last question wrong,

how do you think they're doing? Still proving useful?

I still think they're all doing great, yeah.

And have you made your mind up

-who you'd like to play the Final Debate yet?

-No, not yet.

Of course you haven't.

-Keep them working.

-I am, yeah.

OK. Let's see how they fare in our final round.

It's time for Round 3.

OK, Hazel, in Round 3, you're going to have questions

that contain statements about a person, a place or a thing,

-but only one of those statements is true.

-OK.

We need you to find that answer.

It is the final round,

so we're going to bump up the money

to 500 quid for each correct answer. £1,500 in total.

So, let's see if you can bag it all for the prize pot.

Here comes your first question.

I have just finished reading Michael Palin's diaries

from around this time.

I am pretty sure that when I read the book,

he mentioned Douglas Adams writing material,

but I'm not 100% about that.

OK. You're not 100%.

Your debate starts now.

Well...

Obviously, little bit before my time.

But like all good comedians, I'm a fan of Monty Python.

Went to the show at the O2 and I love Fawlty Towers,

which was being filmed

around the same time.

Surely there must have been an occasion where Cleese

could not make it.

Douglas Adams, 100% certain,

-appeared in the series.

-OK.

As a character. He appeared in some of the movies.

He's in Meaning Of Life. When they're doing the operation,

all the blood squirting everywhere,

the tall surgeon is Douglas Adams with a mask on.

That could be what I was thinking of.

If there was someone who didn't

fit in to the kind of schoolboy gang

that they were,

it was actually John Cleese,

who's a bit complicated.

Actually, I did watch a documentary and I think because we were thinking

of the more popular end of the TV series, which is towards the end...

-It's massive.

-The very, very beginning and the early days,

I think John Cleese was brought in to supplement roles

as opposed to be part of the very, very first team. Ah!

OK, so are we going to say that it's the third one?

-Douglas Adams.

-OK.

-Yeah.

The panel has decided that

Douglas Adams did write

material for the TV series

of Monty Python.

OK, Hazel. Good debate there from the panel.

They've come round to your first thought.

But they've also almost talked me out of it!

And I'm starting to doubt myself now.

But I think, because that was my first inkling

and because the panel have

gone with that, I'm going to go with the panel.

And say C.

OK, you're going with your first thought.

You're going with the panel.

-Germaine has her head in her hands.

-He's definitely in it.

For £500, the correct statement about Monty Python is...

Go on. Come on.

Yes! Get in! Woohoo!

It was the last - before they made Hitchhiker.

Douglas Adams did write material for the fourth series

and he did briefly appear in a sketch as a doctor.

John Cleese left before the fourth and final series was broadcast

in 1974, as he was working on solo projects such as Fawlty Towers,

-which would air the next year.

-Yes.

The Pythons played for ten nights,

adding nine nights after their initial show sold out

-in a record 43.5 seconds.

-Gosh!

But, look, very, very well played.

£500 into the prize pot.

You're now up to £1,800.

There is still £1,000 up for grabs.

-OK.

-Two questions to go.

Let's see if we can get it for you.

Here we go.

As I turn to side profile...

What are your first thoughts?

I think there might be two there that we could discount,

but I'd really like to hear what the panel has to say.

Keeping the powder dry. Panel?

I'd really like to hear what Hazel thinks about this first!

Your debate starts now!

Right, so does his name translate as "big nose"?

I don't think so.

-No.

-I thought his name meant "little boots".

-Gula.

-It's -igula.

I think he was murdered by his sister.

How did Caligula die?

I don't know why I'm feeling he was murdered by his sister.

I thought he was, because wasn't he having some sort of affair?

Wasn't he quite lusty, Caligula?

Roman mythology, goats, is there...?

-Greek God, goats.

-Is there a God?

The head of a goat?

A goat god. Pan is the goat god.

-Pan. So...

-With his cloven feet.

And Pan is quite the horny god, if I'm not mistaken, isn't he?

Pan ruts and struts...

-He's the god of nature, actually.

-Nature.

-They were lustful, definitely.

-Yes.

Maybe a goat mounted him one day.

But to mention goats, it wasn't like he can't have goats near him,

-it was like you can't mention goats around him.

-But I was thinking that

the connotation of goat, it might have some sort of taboo connotation

like when we use a word today that we wouldn't use in society

because it had a racial or sexist connotation.

Goat may well have had that sort of connotation,

-and if he had problems...

-You guys decide on this one.

Are we going to go with goats?

I think goats, cos I'm sure he was sleeping with his sister.

-I'm sure he was.

-Sunetra, goats?

I'm going for sister, but I think the majority should do this one,

so if you think it's goats, go with goats.

For no very good reason,

the panel has decided

that it was illegal to mention goats

around the Emperor Caligula.

Baa.

Interesting. It's not what I would have gone for,

but the more I think about it, I'm wondering if C just sounds a bit

too easy, and the goat is put in there to put us off.

So I think I'm going to agree with the panel and say B.

OK. You are going with the panel.

-Yep.

-For £500, it was illegal to mention goats around Caligula.

It's the correct statement!

Goats! I knew it!

I got that one wrong.

-Well done.

-The rutting, strutting Pan!

Well done. Germaine, you were right.

His name means "little boots".

Or "bootikins" was the nickname given to him by his father's troops.

And he wasn't keen on that.

He was very self-conscious about his looks.

He was tall, he was pale, he was hairy.

He was worried that people might think he looked like a goat.

He was assassinated by an officer of his own guard.

So the Roman word for boot was "caliga".

And that's where the little boots come from -

and Russell, you were right,

-he was accused of sleeping with his sister.

-Yes!

-But nothing was proved.

-No.

That's another £500 into the prize pot,

taking you up to a total of £2,300.

Well done, Hazel. You're playing the game so, so well.

£2,300 in the prize pot.

We have a chance to get this up to 2,800 with this question.

-Here it comes.

-Come on, team!

-Come on!

-A lot riding on this.

-Oh, no!

Oh, sport.

I am really not sure, but before the panel debate,

I would probably go for C, but I'm not sure at all.

OK, you are thinking C.

Let's see of the panel can help you out here.

Russell's shaking his head.

Your debate starts now.

-Any one of those...

-OK.

-OK, Sunetra.

-So, this is all I can help you with.

It's obviously going to be a bit of a guess.

But he is not older than Jamie Carragher.

Jamie Carragher's a bit older than him.

I'm going to avoid the second statement for a second

and go to the third one and say he will have scored

in the final of an FA Cup, and I know that in the Champions League,

the famous Champions League when Liverpool did win,

-which was a big deal. AC Milan, big deal.

-Famous.

I feel Gerard had something to do with that.

Now, the UEFA Cup, I don't know. I don't know it well enough to know...

-What is it?

-It's another cup. It's another trophy.

-Why?

But don't we think that he certainly would have been sent off twice

-when playing for England?

-Well, he's definitely been sent off once.

It's whether he was playing for England.

Remember he became captain and he was a really revered player.

To begin with when he was younger,

he kept his nose clean, he was really good,

-then he got a little bit more...

-Feisty.

-Feisty, yeah, and so for me,

I probably believe he has been sent off twice when playing for England.

And I know that would be really...

I know nothing about football, but that's not captain-ly conduct,

-to have been sent off twice.

-He hasn't been captain for all the time

-he played for England.

-Yeah, but it's still on your CV, isn't it?

You've got six points on your licence.

I mean, I have no clue, but they do tend to be more squeaky clean,

the captains, don't they?

Yeah.

Yes! Please stop shouting at me,

everyone at home watching on television!

I can't be sure that he scored in the finals of all three, FA Cup,

-Champions League and UEFA Cup.

-We have to go with Sunetra.

I'm so sorry. I can't believe I'm your best option here!

So, Sunetra's risking her neck.

The true statement there

is that Steven Gerrard has been sent off twice when playing for England.

So, Hazel, you'll never walk alone unless you're a member of this panel

and have been thrown under the bus by her other two fellow panellists!

Apparently it's all down to Sunetra on this one.

I know Sunetra's got some Liverpool players knowledge,

but I still think I'm going to go for C,

because I think I would remember it if he had been sent off twice

when playing for England, cos I think he's always been

quite a sort of gentlemanly kind of player as far as I know.

So I think I'm still going to go for C.

OK, you're going against the panel.

You are going against our Liverpool supporter.

-That's fine.

-For £500 to get us up to a prize pot of 2,800.

The correct statement is...

It's C! Well done!

Very well played!

What am I here for, really? I'm so sorry!

It was good knowledge. It was good knowledge that you had.

Gerrard has scored in the final of a League Cup, an FA Cup,

a Champions League and a UEFA Cup.

He was only sent off once for England against Ukraine in 2012.

His first England goal was in the 5-1 win against Germany

in a World Cup qualifier.

In 2001, Gerrard scored the goal to put England 2-1 up.

As a Manchester United supporter,

I would also give the other piece of trivia.

He never won the league.

Hazel, at the end of that round,

you were right to go against our panel.

The prize pot is up to £2,800.

Very well done!

Very well played.

It's a great amount of money.

-It is.

-Any plans for it if you managed get it today?

Yes, it's been my dream for such a long time to go to New York,

and I'd love to go and take my son.

-So, it's a trip to New York at stake.

-Yeah.

OK, Hazel, £2,800 up for grabs in the Final Debate

where you will face one question.

That question will have six possible answers, but only three are correct.

We need you to give us all three correct answers to win.

As before, you will not be walking alone.

You must choose one member of our panel to assist you.

You and your panellist will have 45 seconds to debate the question.

OK, Hazel, who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Will it be Russell with his small, unripened grapes?

Will you go off piste with Germaine?

Or do you never want to walk alone with Sunetra?

Well, I'd like to say thank you to all the panel,

cos it's been invaluable, all of your advice,

but I think I'm going to go for Russell.

-Oh, my God!

-OK. Russell,

would you please join us as we play the Final Debate?

OK, Russell, you have been chosen for the Final Debate.

Has Hazel made the right decision?

I mean, I, personally, on that performance,

would have picked Germaine, if I were you,

but I'm complimenting I'm going to do my best.

OK, he's disassociated himself from the Final Debate,

but also you know he's going to try his best.

Yeah. That's the main thing.

That is the main thing.

Well, look, there's £2,800 up for grabs.

We've got two categories for you to choose from,

because it is the Final Debate.

Have a look at these two. Tell us what you fancy.

US Geography. Chemistry.

How are you on Science?

I'm not bad on Science.

I'm good on Geography, but not great on US Geography.

-Have you got a bit of Science?

-I've got a bit of Science.

I've got a bit of Science.

So it's better if it's a subject we've both got a bit on.

-It's your choice, it's your money.

-I think we should go for Chemistry.

-OK.

-Yep, Chemistry.

OK, Chemistry it is.

We are going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

£2,800 up for grabs.

Hazel, the very best of luck.

Here is your Final Debate.

-We just chose Chemistry! What have we done?

-I know!

Yes.

-Lithium.

-Yes.

-Aluminium.

-No.

-Potassium.

-Yes.

-Sodium.

-No.

-Zinc.

-No.

-Gold.

-Hm...

-Your 45 seconds starts now.

Um... Are you thinking aluminium no,

because it's a metal?

I'm pretty sure that aluminium doesn't react with cold water

-given tin sheds are made out of them.

-You said...

Potassium and lithium are in the first group on the periodic table.

They have an exothermic reaction when they touch water and explode.

-OK.

-I'm guessing that out of zinc...

Gold is in the middle of the periodic table,

and definitely doesn't have a reaction with cold water,

-or we'd be in trouble.

-Isn't sodium something to do with salt?

-Wouldn't that have a reaction with water?

-Yes, I think sodium...

But it's not a violent reaction.

-I think sodium might be the first one in that group...

-OK.

..and have... And have a reaction with water.

Zinc, though. Zinc's bothering me.

Ten seconds.

It's definitely lithium

and potassium.

I would guess probably sodium.

Na is the chemical symbol if it's any help with that!

-Thank you!

-Time up, Hazel.

I need three answers.

OK. Lithium, potassium and sodium.

OK, Hazel. Thank you so much.

-Sodium I'm not sure.

-I know.

If those are the three answers, you go home with £2,800.

If one of them is wrong, Hazel, I'm afraid you will leave with nothing.

-OK.

-OK, we're all rooting for you here.

First up, you said lithium.

That definitely explodes. I've seen it.

Is lithium a correct answer?

-It is.

-The first group of metals.

-You are up and running.

-Yeah.

Next you said potassium.

If potassium is a correct answer, you're still in the game.

-If it's wrong...

-I'm sure it's the next one down,

and slightly more explosive than lithium in my memory.

To keep us on track for 2,800, is potassium a correct answer?

It is a correct answer!

It reacts so vigorously with water

that it actually ignites the hydrogen

-gas that it gives off.

-Wow.

-Correct.

So, you were right about that, Russell.

OK, Hazel, the third answer you gave me was sodium,

it was the one that you were least sure of.

If it is correct, it's £2,800.

If it's wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

OK, we wish you all the best here, Hazel.

-OK.

-For £2,800...

..is sodium a correct answer?

We won!

We won!

Well done.

-Fantastic.

-Congratulations, Hazel, very well played.

I really doubted myself there.

-You did so well.

-Very well done.

And well played, Russell.

OK, Hazel, remind us again how you're going to spend the money.

I'm going to take my son to New York.

-OK, and Russell is coming along!

-Yes, I am.

I'm going to do an in-flight private dance for you.

-Perfect.

-Whether you like it or not!

Yeah, I'm not too sure now.

We need that periodic table knowledge now.

-The correct answers are all alkali metals.

-Metal.

They are all the elements below hydrogen in the first column

-of the periodic table.

-That's what you said.

Their reaction to...

Their reaction to water, much like Russell's dancing,

becomes increasingly violent

-the further down the column they go.

-As the cash goes up!

My dancing gets more violent.

Very well played here.

You leave today with £2,800.

Let's hear it for Hazel!

And that is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

to Russell Kane, to Germaine Greer and Sunetra Sarker.

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, from me, goodbye!