Episode 26 Debatable

Hello and welcome to Debatable today.

A player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to walk

away with that jackpot of over ?3000, but as always

they are not on their own.

They will have a panel of celebrities debating

their way to the answer.

Will they be able to talk the talk, however?

As always that's Debatable.

So, let's meet them.

Talking the talk today we have, journalist John Sergeant.

We have actress and comedian, Liz Carr.

And broadcaster and campaign at June Sarpong.

APPLAUSE.

It is a well-balanced, highly qualified panel.

June, of course you've spoken to some of the most powerful

people in the world?

Yes.

Tony Blair, Bono, President Clinton.

Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton, you've spoken to Hillary Clinton?

Yes.

So your debating skills are quite good?

Well, every time I see you, they get better, Patrick.

So how about that?

I quite liked that.

Was that a little wink at the end there?

So what qualifications do you have, what are you bringing

to the dance for us, June?

My only qualification is that I'm quite gobby.

There you go, how about that?

This will work quite well.

Yeah.

I think this will work quite well.

John Sergeant, of course.

Obviously being on The One Show means you have a huge depth

of knowledge about stuff that's quite random and potentially

not important at all?

They are quite random and also they do things,

they put you in places you've not been before, which is nice.

You meet people you wouldn't expect to meet and sometimes

if you are there and there's a star guest, you're sitting next to them

and you're thinking, I'm moving up in the world.

Absolutely no pressure on you then, Liz?

On Silent Witness you normally, but the right answer.

Yes.

It normally takes an hour and someone has to die?

Yes.

Is it going to be different today?

Let's just look around.

Not today, please.

Do you feel like you've got the perfect team on either side?

I think, yes, absolutely.

We've got everything we need.

We are bonding.

Could you be a bit more convincing about that?

No.

I'm not sure I'm that good an actress.

OK, that's our panel, it's time to meet our contestant,

it's Sue from Llandudno.

Sue, how are you doing?

I'm good thank you.

Welcome to this show.

Thank you.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

I work as a toll booth operator.

I've got a little teensy-weensy castle all of my own,

that's my office.

Fabulous job, telling the tourists all about the attractions

and where to go in Llandudno.

And my little hobby is, I've got a camper van.

Do you indeed?

And where does this camp and go with you?

To be honest, it goes pretty much everywhere

because we haven't got a car.

So is our car, but we mostly go around Anglesey,

North Wales, it's so beautiful.

You don't really need to go much further.

You see, I see what you've done there.

So, the camper van, who travels with you in the camper van?

Me and my husband.

OK.

Yeah, I've got a little granddaughter, she's

two, her name's Martha.

But we're not taking with us until she is a little bit older.

Yes, the two-year-old in the camper van, I mean that's never

really going to work out.

No, no.

Not yet.

So, Sue, what do you make of the panel?

Well, do you know what, I'm actually quite excited

because I think we've got three great brains there.

And I'm hoping to pick them.

That's the right thing to say.

Yes, you need to pay close attention because you can only

choose one of them to play the final debate.

OK.

Ready to play?

I am.

OK, here we go, let's play round one.

Sue, this round is multiple choice, four possible answers.

We have four questions in this round, ?200 for each correct answer,

a possible ?800 up for grabs.

Fabulous.

OK, here we go.

Let's get cracking.

Here's your first question.

First reaction is, I don't think it's a lemur, I'm

drawn towards a snake.

Drawn towards the snake?

Panel, your debate starts now.

Anyone drawn towards the snake?

Anyone else?

I am, I can imagine a boomslang, sort of snake,

in the African outback.

In the desert.

But snakes don't boom, do they, they sort of slang

along I suppose a bit.

But I mean otherwise it's a bit odd, isn't it?

I sort of feel that if it was an elephant

we'd have heard that.

I don't know why, I'm just looking at the other ones.

I think an elephant, a boomslang, you know.

I've seen Lion King and never heard that word in it, so.

I reckon...

Lemur, may be, may be a lemur?

I thought, a boomslang, I'm not sort you would have that...

You can imagine him...

What's this?

I don't know what this is.

Boomslang.

It's that boomslang.

It is that.

You imagine the sort of ranchers, nicknaming it a boomslang.

In colonial times, yes.

OK, you are saying a buffalo?

That isn't a buffalo, is it, that's a boomslang.

That's possible.

That's definitely not an old, boring buffalo.

Yes, that's a boomslang.

Quite friendly boomslang.

Yeah.

OK, just need one.

OK, buffalo.

Buffalo.

Snake.

I'm really sorry, John, I have to go with the majority here.

Oh right, OK.

If that's OK?

Well, good luck to two slippery customers.

It's only the first question as well.

OK, I think the panel are going with B.

A snake.

A boomslang is a snake.

So, John not convinced.

However, the panel also drawn to the snake.

Yeah, I think you've just confirmed what I was thinking.

It just sounds right to me.

I can just imagine "boomslang it, it's a snake".

So I'm going to say that the boomslang is a snake.

OK, to get you up and running for ?200 the correct answer is...

Please.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

Very well played.

Good mime work, good mime work their team.

Good mime work, good mime work there team.

We are all doing it now.

I'm so pleased for both of you.

A boomslang is the largeish, highly venomous African tree snake,

most commonly found in the central and southern regions

of the continent.

Very well done, Sue.

First question correct, ?200.

Yay!

APPLAUSE.

Here comes your next question.

I don't know very much about sport, so I'm kind of leaning

towards one of the other two.

I'm going to say Constable's painting of the Hay Waine.

I'm going to say Constable's painting of the Hay Wain.

OK, that's what you're leaning towards.

Panel, can you sort this out for her?

Your debate starts now.

John?

I don't know, the original Ashes urn, I wouldn't have thought that

would turn up on the Antiques Road Show.

Let's go through it, the FA Cup, that's not going to turn up

on the Antiques Road Show.

It's really only I think between the Constable painting

and a copy of the Magna Carta.

And it's a copy, I don't think that's worth a million.

The trouble is, you can get so many copies of both of those things,

you can get them for a couple of quid, I should have thought?

?1 million?

The Constable's one is the original one, is it?

I think I remember it.

Ah, inside knowledge.

OK, go on.

I never know any of these, when they come up, when I'm playing

at home, I never know.

What do you remember?

I think it's a sport one.

Then probably the original Ashes urn, no?

Right.

Could have been quite a few urns, of course, lots of Ashes.

But it would be small.

We are talking about ?1 million, lots of money.

?1 million, I just find it hard to believe it's the FA Cup,

because that will have changed probably three or four times,

wouldn't it, they will have got a new one in, wouldn't they?

I think it's the original Ashes urn.

I think it's the original Ashes urn.

OK.

I'm really not sure, honestly.

I have a feeling it might be the FA Cup.

But, I totally get your reasoning, so I'm going to go with that.

I'm going to go with that.

We think that it's the original Ashes urn.

So that's what our panel thought, but, do you agree?

Like I say, I'm not great on sport, so that's why I kind of ignored

it in the first place.

But, you are very convincing, panel.

We are, we have convinced ourselves.

So I'm kind of going towards you guys with it

being either the FA Cup or the original Ashes.

Now the original Ashes urn, that helped the bails,

Now the original Ashes urn, that held the bails,

I think that were burned after the first Test match, I think.

So I'm actually going to go with the panel on this one and I'm

going to save the original Ashes urn as being the object that was valued

at over ?1 million.

Going with the panel, for ?200, was the original Ashes urn the most

expensive item to be valued on the Antiques Road Show

at a million quid?

Oh, Liz we're sorry.

To know what, you kind of knew that, Liz, didn't you?

It sports, sorry.

You all knew more than I did, so...

It was the FA Cup.

The cup was presented to winning teams from 1911

until it was replaced by a new FA Cup in 1992.

Exactly the same design.

The old FA Cup was valued at more than 1 million in an addition

to the long-running programme recorded in Harrogate.

Sorry, Sue.

Wrong to go with the panel that time round.

No money added, you are still on ?200.

Here is your next question...

Kerkyra?

Now, they are all quite similar.

I'm leaning towards Crete.

But I don't know.

You're not really sure?

I'm not really sure, I'd like to hear what

the panel had to say.

Oh, we'd all like to hear what the panel makes of this.

Your debate starts now.

Anything immediate from either of you?

Well, I don't know why, I think Corfu.

Why?

Because I think it's the only one, if you were from Corfu,

and you wanted to sound a bit more Greek, that would be quite

an attractive change, you wouldn't be cross about it,

we wouldn't have heard of it.

That's my only thought.

I don't know if this is useful at this point,

but I really like Greek food.

Love it.

What's your favourite?

Bit of feta?

You can't go wrong.

Can't go wrong.

Can't go wrong, that's the thing.

I can add Mykonos as a great holiday destination,

I could highly recommend it.

And the Kos lettuce are named after the island of Kos.

Is that so?

It's actually true.

OK.

I'm feeling kind of we don't know.

We don't know, at all.

That's one way of putting it, that's a crude way of putting it.

John, you seem quite convinced with Corfu.

We are the expert panel.

You are quite confident about that?

It's what you call a blind guess.

Well, as I definitely don't know, I'm happy

to go with whatever you to think.

to go with whatever you two think.

OK.

We are going to go with C, Corfu.

OK, based on pretty much no knowledge at all, what do you think?

Do you know what, like I said, I didn't really have a clue

and even though the panel, by their own admission don't

really have a clue either, I kind of like John's logic

and I think I'll go with the panel, please.

OK, you are going with the panel, going with the logic of Mr Sergeant.

Kerkyra is the Greek name for Corfu?

For ?200, the correct answer is...

CHEERING and APPLAUSE.

Very well done.

Brilliant.

Very well done Mr Sergeant.

Please don't go on about it.

We take it all back, we take it all back.

The Greek version is named after the beautiful nymph

that the sea god Poseidon fell in love with.

The island is also the birthplace of the Duke of Edinburgh.

He was born on his kitchen table in his family's home there.

Nice!

Very well played, ?200 in your prize pot, you're up to ?400.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE.

Here comes your next question...

As usual, I've not got the faintest idea here.

The first thing that came to my mind was Joseph Conrad.

OK, based on limited knowledge...

Don't worry, Sue.

Your debate starts now.

It's definitely not EM Forster, because he was born somewhere

random like Mill Hill, or somewhere like that.

That's like North London.

I wondered about Jack London or Somerset Maugham from the point

of view they've got English names, so where they overcompensated

by their parents when they came to England?

Possibly?

To give them English sounding...

To help them fit in.

I think it's Joseph Conrad.

Do you really?

I do.

Why?

Why?

This is just one of those things you have in your mind

at any given moment.

You are asked a question and you say yeah, that's it.

I think he's Polish in background and I think he went on about people

who were immigrants to London, from that part of the world.

I think that Jack London was not that, he was much more born

the wild, wasn't it, and Somerset Maugham, I can see him

some part of the empire, but the Ukraine was never part

of the Empire.

Yes.

Yeah.

So I think, and EM Forster, I agree with you, I don't think that's it.

So, I think Joseph Conrad.

You're pretty convincing there, John.

I'm putting out on of course I don't really know but, that's my guess.

OK.

Agreed?

Yeah.

The panel thinks A, Joseph Conrad.

So, Sue, very convincing from our panel, although John says

he may be putting it on.

But they've gone with you, they've gone for Joseph Conrad.

Yes, and I think we are in agreement there, think I'll stick with that.

Joseph Conrad, please.

OK, for ?200, is Joseph Conrad the correct answer?

CHEERING and APPLAUSE.

Well done.

Thank goodness for that.

Well done, John.

No, the tension was building up, I noticed that.

They were looking down on me and I was getting a bit embarrassed.

I thought, if this goes wrong, you know, out.

It's just the weight of knowledge you are carrying with you,

the huge responsibility.

A huge responsibility, I've got a long way to go down

you see, that's the point.

Joseph Conrad had been a deckhand on a freighter that landed

in Lowestoft in June 1878.

At the time, Conrad only spoke a few words of English.

He went on to serve in the British merchant Navy and became

a renowned writer of English.

Very well done, Sue.

Very well played panel.

In means it's another ?200 in your prize pot,

bringing the total amount up to ?600.

APPLAUSE.

So, Sue, now we get to turn to our panel and I ask you,

how do you think they are faring?

I think they are doing really well.

Don't seem so surprised.

I think we are getting some sort of reasoned response

there from all of them.

They are definitely convincing me, to be fair.

OK, well, make sure you pay close attention because you will only be

able to choose one of them in the final debate today.

OK, let's see how they cope with pictures this time for round two.

Sue, round two is our picture round.

We need you to place three pictures in the correct order.

There are three questions in this round, ?300 for each correct answer

and a possible ?900.

Here we go.

Your first question...

Films isn't my strongest point.

I'm going to say Jennifer Lawrence, Scarlett Johansson

and Melissa McCarthy.

Don't worry, Sue, this is what the panel is here for.

I'm sure our panel can sort this out.

Your debate starts now.

I know this one.

You know it?

Because I read the list when it came out.

Well that's good, but can you remember the list?

Yes.

Can you put them in the right order?

I think so, yes.

Well, that's it then.

I'd have gone with Jennifer Lawrence top.

No.

Really?

It's not, it's Scarlett Johannson.

And she's also the highest female grossing actress.

Jennifer Lawrence, it just felt like last you she was in everything,

however, I can't think of anything that she was in, but she just seemed

to be everywhere at the box office.

That's the only...

They didn't make as much money, Jennifer Lawrence was number

one I think in 2014.

So she has been there?

Yes, she has been.

So, where...

So where does Melissa McCarthy go?

Three.

Really?

Yeah.

So we've got our order.

Are we going a bit swapsy then?

So, Scarlett number one.

So that's me.

OK.

The panel think that the actress paid the most according

to the Forbes list in 2016 is Scarlett Johannson,

followed by Jennifer Lawrence, followed by Melissa McCarthy.

So, Sue.

That was the right question for the right question, wasn't it?

June believes she has read this list and she says she knows the answer.

Liz, the only actor on our panel thought it may have

been Jennifer Lawrence.

But she has gone with the panel on this one.

What do you think?

I am absolutely going to defer to the panel

here because I think June knows.

June knows.

I hope she knows, because that's the answer I'm going to have.

I'm going to go with Scarlett Johannson first,

followed by Jennifer Lawrence, followed by Melissa McCarthy.

So, for ?300, is that the correct order?

June!

It's the wrong answer.

No, no.

It's OK.

She was so convincing.

This is awkward.

This is awkward!

This is worse than a awkward.

Goodbye, June!

That's it.

Grossing, grossing.

The highest-paid actresses, not the highest grossing stars.

The highest grossing stars is the gross of the movie.

This is the highest-paid actors.

I'm so sorry, Sue.

It's OK, I didn't know any better either.

Let's look at the correct order.

It should have been Jennifer Lawrence, the highest-paid.

Then Melissa McCarthy and at the bottom it

was Scarlett Johannson.

The list ran from the 1st of June 2015 to the 1st of June 20 16.

Sue, I'm sorry.

It's OK, I won't hold it against you.

Thank you.

June, if it's any consolation, Scarlett Johannson was the highest

grossing actress, earning 1.2 billion at the box office.

I got confused.

I don't know who I feel more sorry for, for you losing 300 quid or poor

Scarlett and has to scrape by on 25 mill.

Sorry, no money added.

Still a couple of more chances in your picture round.

Here comes your next one...

Ooh!

I actually think they are all quite young.

Younger than you would imagine.

I'm going to say controversially, drinking at home, then driving

a tractor, then buying a pet.

That's your first thought.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Driving a tractor, well that's, the driving a tractor

really is dangerous.

You know, you start doing that.

So why would have thought you've got to be quite old to drive a tractor.

So I would have thought you've got to be quite old to drive a tractor.

But there's something about, we look after our pets and we see

animal welfare as quite highly prized in the UK.

So I wonder if that is much older, getting your first gerbil

or whatever, is something all children do.

But actually, I wonder if that's later, older than we imagine.

There's more of a danger of a young child going into a shop

and saying I want a pet, than driving a tractor into it.

Unless they've been drinking at home, driving a tractor

and they drive the tractor to the pet shop.

They could do all these things, yeah.

Then you have to be 14.

What about when you get a goldfish at the fairground,

there wasn't a legal age for that, was there?

No, but are you buying it?

You are winning it.

I guess you're winning it then.

I think we are agreeing with Sue, aren't we?

Sue put buying a pet as you've got to be oldest for that.

Put the next one down as driving a tractor and then drinking at home.

OK, on that the panel think the order is drinking at home,

driving a tractor on farmland and buying a pet.

OK, Sue, that's what the panel makes of this, but what do you think?

I'm sure that under parental supervision it is actually quite

young to have a drink, I'm sure it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And again, driving a tractor onslaught of your own farmland,

And again, driving a tractor on sort of your own farmland, I think pets,

all little children have got pets, but their mum and dad have bought

them, or someone else has bought

them a pet.

So I think we are in agreement, hopefully.

OK, you are going with the panel.

For ?300, is that the correct order?

It is!

APPLAUSE.

Brilliant.

Would you believe, legally the current law states children

cannot drink in the home under the age of five.

A tractor can be legally driven from the age of 13 for agricultural,

horticultural or forestry field operations, but not

until 16 on the road.

The law with regard to children buying a pet change

The law with regard to children buying a pet changed

from 12 to 16 in 2007.

Well done, Sue, well worked out, ?300 into the prize pot.

Thank you.

You are up to ?900!

APPLAUSE.

OK, Sue, here comes your final picture question.

I have absolutely no idea.

Don't worry about that.

Thank you.

This is what our panel are here for.

Panel, can we sort this out for Sue?

Your debate starts now.

Right, OK.

Imran Khan and both Ian Botham in their day

were legends, won't they?

were legends, weren't they?

Shane is a bit more recent.

So he could have fewer.

Yeah, I bet they've got a world record of something,

either one of those two, either Imran or Ian.

What about a blind guess at this stage, would that help?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like your blind guesses.

Botham, Warne, followed by Khan.

I would put Imran Khan above Ian Botham.

But but you can't set some crazy record.

Weren't they are in competition with each other, like a big rivalry

between them, wasn't there?

Yeah, but we are supporting Ian Botham, aren't we?

I like Ian Botham, but I have a feeling

Imran Khan has got more.

He then went into politics though, didn't he?

He did, in Pakistan.

So that's against him, isn't it?

And he was married to Jemima.

Yeah, married to Jemima, we're getting there, I think.

I think this is really helping.

I think this is really helping.

I definitely think Shane is where he is, the fewest.

We are going to go the highest.

Shall we swap over?

Yeah, let's swap.

See I feel quite confident now.

Yeah.

That we've got it right.

We've explored it in detail.

Well, exactly.

All we've got to do now is to sum up, haven't we?

Yeah.

I'd bet you Imran Khan has a record that they are trying

to beat in cricket.

OK, so the panel think the fewest begins with Shane Warne,

then it's Ian Botham, then it's Imran Khan.

So, Sue.

Our panel, with pretty much the exact same cricket knowledge

as you, haven't let that get in the way!

They have made a firm choice.

They believe that Shane Warne has the fewest wickets,

then Ian Botham and then Imran Khan.

I absolutely will go with that.

Because I have not got a better suggestion at all.

So thank you, panel, I will go with that.

It's touching, Sue, but I'm not sure that sensible.

It's touching, Sue, but I'm not sure that's sensible.

Your reasoning seems a bit...

I've got the faith.

You've got the faith, that's it.

OK, here we go.

So, is the order Shane Warne, Ian Botham and Imran Khan?

For ?300...

It's the wrong order.

I warned you, Sue, don't say I didn't warn you.

I think may be Warne and Botham.

Let's look at the correct order...

Oh.

Imran Khan with the fewest.

362 wickets.

Ian Botham with 383 Test wickets.

Then, Shane Warne the most, 708.

My goodness.

The second most of any professional player in the history of the game.

So, Sue, nothing for that.

It means at the end of the picture around your prize

pot stands at ?900.

APPLAUSE.

OK, we still have one round to go before you choose your panellists

OK, we still have one round to go before you choose your panellist

to play the final debate.

It's time for round three.

So Sue, in round three your face questions that contain three

statements about a person, place or a thing.

Only one of those statements is true.

We need you to find the true statement.

Three questions in the round, ?500 up for grabs for

each correct answer.

A possible ?1500.

Let's see if you can get your hands on it all.

Here comes your first question...

It's not B, I'm sure it's not.

I'm leaning towards A.

I don't know.

I'd like to see what the panel says.

OK, you'd like to see what the panel says,

with one of the most magnificent stars that Strictly has ever had.

Please!

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

Can you bring us any Strictly Intel?

Any insider knowledge?

I don't know, I'd have thought Jill Halfpenny,

she must have been up there pretty early on.

As the first celeb, but I thought it was that

very nice newsreader, what she called?

Oh, Natasha Kaplinsky?

Yes.

May be, yeah.

Natasha Kaplinsky, see I thought she was the first celeb.

So I think I'm going to say no to that.

I don't know much about the X Factor or Pop Idol,

they are not my sort of shows, I could do well in both of them,

but you know, I haven't really given it a good go.

I don't think Little Mix, I agree.

See, I think it might be Little Mix.

I think it was solo artists up until they've won.

Can't think of another group.

What about the boy band?

No, they never won.

Did they not win?

No.

Then I think you might be right, that could be the one.

What are they called?

One Direction.

That's right.

The most famous boy band, yes.

In the world.

That's right, in the world, what are they called?

Michelle McManus may have been someone before her.

Do you think we go with B, Little Mix.

I think it could be.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We the panel think Little Mix where the first group

to win the X Factor.

So, Sue.

John bringing a little bit of Strictly knowledge there.

It's definitely given me food for thought.

Now that I'm thinking, I'm sure Will Young one Pop Idol

before Michelle McManus.

I don't know about Strictly, but didn't JLS win the X Factor?

No.

Where they just runners-up?

Yeah, they definitely didn't win.

You do know your X Factor.

In that case, I'm going to go with the panel, please,

I'm going to go with Little Mix.

OK, you are going with the panel.

That's the one to go for.

Little Mix were the first group to win the X Factor,

is that true for ?500?

Is true!

APPLAUSE.

Well done, everybody.

Good pop knowledge there, Liz.

Good knowledge on Strictly, John, I have to say.

And well sorted out, June, of course.

You were right, guys, the previous winners for all solo acts.

Will Young, was the first winner of Pop Idol in 2002.

He beat Gareth Gates.

Michelle McManus won the second series.

Jill Halfpenny also won the second series of strictly

in 2004 and you were right, John.

Natasha Kaplinsky won the very first series the year before.

Well played, Sue.

?500 in your prize pot.

You are up to ?1400.

CHEERING and APPLAUSE.

Here comes your second question.

Which statement is true about Theodore Roosevelt?

Wow, I was hoping there was something coming up

about the teddy bear, but foiled again.

I honestly don't know.

Was he Franklin D Roosevelt's grandfather?

First thought.

OK, that's your first thought, I'm sure our panel will be able

to sort this out quickly you.

to sort this out quickly for you.

Your debate starts now.

So, Franklin D Roosevelt's grandfather, no he wasn't.

His great uncle.

So it just takes a line of that.

So it just takes a line off that.

We can be sure about that.

He didn't die in office.

FDR died in office.

So we get rid of those two.

But did we know, did he go skinny dipping?

He must have, because it's not the other two.

How did they know?

Is there proof, have you seen those photos?

He was a bit mad though, wasn't he?

He used to go hunting.

He was a bit wild.

He was a bit wild, yeah.

I could believe he went skinny-dipping.

I've sat back because I'm a little bit shocked.

Do we actually know this one?

Yeah, we know the two that are definitely not correct

so we know this one.

Also with him, remember he decided not to run again

after the second term.

So by a cunning process of elimination?

Yeah.

Skinny-dipping must have been written down.

And to be fair, it's the more fun one, so great.

And he was wild.

For tea-time on BBC Two.

So, OK, the panel believe that the truth about

Theodore Roosevelt is he used to go skinny dipping whilst president?

Based on a process of elimination, Sue, they are going but Theodore

Based on a process of elimination, Sue, they are going for

Theodore Roosevelt used to go skinny dipping whilst president.

Do you know what, I really liked that logic, it was sound, I think.

Although these days, they call it more chunky dunking

rather than skinny-dipping in my book.

Chunky dunking?

That's what I do these days, but I think I will go

with the panel please, in that he used to go skinny

dipping whilst president.

Well, for ?500, is that true about Theodore Roosevelt?

It is!

Well done.

Thank you.

Very well done, Sue.

Very well done panel.

He liked to go skinny dipping in the Potomac River.

He was Franklin D Roosevelt's fifth cousin and the uncle of FDR's

wife, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Very well played, well done, panel.

Another ?500 into your prize pot.

You are up to ?1900.

APPLAUSE.

Another ?500 up for grabs, here comes your final

They are obviously all three well-known religious words,

but I mean do they use Satan instead of the devil?

Oh yeah.

In that book, would it refer to you as being a Christian?

Honestly, not sure.

I'd really like to get the advice of the panel?

OK, let's get the advice of a God-fearing panel,

your debate starts now.

That's a very good point about would they have use Satan

That's a very good point about would they have used Satan

rather than the devil?

They still refer to him.

I have a slight problem here in that my father was a vicar...

Oh, come on.

So I ought to know the answer.

You would have thought after all that churchgoing,

sitting in the front row, having to be there for the sermon...

Reciting scripture.

You would have thought I would have absorbed all this stuff.

But no, the opposite happened.

I think it might be Trinity.

Really?

I actually do read the Bible.

I think Trinity, I think that's the most likely one.

We all know they have to be devils.

And they have to be Christians.

So this is the holy Trinity, but maybe it's not in

the King James Bible.

Yeah.

You read the Bible, so you feel that...

You have done?

I mean, I read bits of the Bible, I like the Bible, but yeah,

I don't think Trinity is in there.

I think that's what we've used to describe.

It's a more modern term, maybe.

I like that.

John?

Yes, we are all agreed.

So we, the panel believe the word Trinity does not

appear in the King James Bible.

OK, Sue.

John, the son of a vicar.

Son of a preacher man.

The son of a preacher man, there he is.

Anything to help you there?

Their guess is better than mine, I think.

So I am quite happy to go with the panel and said

So I am quite happy to go with the panel and say that the word

Trinity does not appear in the King James Bible.

OK, panel, for ?500 we are saying the word Trinity does not appear

in the King James Bible.

The correct statement is...

Well done.

Very well played.

Amazing, amazing.

The word Trinity does not appear in the King James Bible,

the world devil or devils appears over 100 times in the

King James version.

Christian or Christians appears just three times in the Acts

of the Apostles and the first pistol of Peter.

The word Trinity does not appear.

Very good knowledge, panel.

Very well done, Sue.

You have played so well.

At the end of round three your prize pot is up to ?2400.

APPLAUSE.

So, a very tidy little sum.

Only one question between you and the cash.

If you manage to bag the cash today, what are you going to spend it on?

Well, I mentioned earlier I've got a camper van,

I'd like to go to France in the camper van,

wine eat some good food.

OK, so a little holiday to France up for grabs.

That would be lovely.

There's only one question between you and the money

and that is the final debate.

In the final debate you will have six possible answers,

only three are correct.

We need you to get all three to bag the money.

As always you will not be on your own in the final debate,

you will get to choose one of these fine panellists to assist you.

So, based on their performance today, who would you like to join

you in the final debate?

Will it be our own national treasure valued at over

a million, John Sergeant.

Will you be little mixing it up with Liz Carr,

or will it be Britain's highest grossing panel show

guest, June Sarpong.

Well, a tough decision, because they've all shown

their strengths, but I'm actually going to go with June, please.

OK, June will you join us please to play the final debate.

OK, June.

Sue has chosen you for the final debate.

How are you feeling?

I'm very nervous and I think I owe Sue, considering I did

lose her ?300 before.

This is very true.

This is where you can actually make it up to her.

Will try.

As you know, it is the final debate.

So, you have two categories to choose from.

Have a look at this and tell us what you fancy.

I'm going to let you choose.

Poets is great if it's the top three.

You know.

OK.

Geography...

I'm really bad at geography.

OK, let's go with poets.

OK, yeah.

Let's do it.

Poets, OK, we are going to do poets.

Poets.

OK, Sue, you have chosen poets, for better or worse.

Best of luck with this, I know it's not what you're looking for,

but ?2400 up for grabs and we will put 45

but ?2400 up for grabs and we will put 45 seconds on the clock.

Here comes your final debate question.

Best of luck.

Your final debate starts now.

I'm quite sure Ted Hughes has.

OK.

When did it start, the poet Laureate?

Yeah.

When did it start?

I'm leaning towards Sir John Betjeman, but again, I don't know.

Wordsworth?

When did it start?

I have absolutely no clue.

No clue.

No clue at all.

We are going to say Ted Hughes.

I think so.

20 seconds.

Sir John Betjeman.

What about Philip Larkin, who is he?

God.

William Wordsworth.

Well...

You're leaning towards Wordsworth.

Milton.

John Milton.

Really.

Ted Hughes, John Betjeman, and John Milton.

OK, Sue.

Not the ideal category for you.

But you've given me three answers, you are saying Ted Hughes,

Sir John Betjeman and John Milton.

We need all three of those to be correct in order to walk away

with the ?2400 today.

Here we go.

The first name you gave me was Ted Hughes.

For ?2400 was Ted Hughes poet Laureate?

He was!

That was you.

Ted Hughes was the poet Laureate between 1984 and 1998.

The next name you gave me was Sir John Betjeman.

To keep you in the game, for ?2400, was Sir John Betjeman poet Laureate?

He was!

Between 1972 and 1984.

And so it all comes down to this one, Sue.

John Milton.

You mentioned Philip Larkin, you then thought William Wordsworth,

but you them plumped for John Milton.

If John Milton is correct, you've won ?2400.

If it's incorrect, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

Was John Milton poet laureate of ?2400?

Was John Milton poet laureate for ?2400?

So, so sorry, Sue.

You did mention the correct answer, the correct answer was...

William Wordsworth.

It was Wordsworth.

Oh no.

That was me.

We thought that would be too soon.

Between 1843 and 1850, Wordsworth was poet Laureate.

I'm so, so sorry, Sue, you absolutely brilliant player.

Give it up one more time for Sue.

APPLAUSE.

That is it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank a fantastic panel to June Sarpong,

to Liz Carr and to John Sergeant.

CHEERING and APPLAUSE.

I hope you have enjoyed watching and we will see you next time

for more heated debates.

But for now, it's goodbye from me.

Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.

They want us there. It's for people who knew him, Kat.

No-one's really bad, are they? Rotten all the way through?