Episode 28 Debatable

APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

Hello, and welcome to Debatable,

where, today, one player must answer a series

of tricky questions to try to walk away with a jackpot of over £3,000.

But they are not on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces debating their way to the answer.

Will it be all talk and no action? As always, that is debatable.

So, let's meet them.

Straight talking today, we have comedian Hal Cruttenden,

we have broadcaster Dame Esther Rantzen

and musician and cheese-maker Alex James.

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It is a well-qualified panel, Esther.

Some would say overqualified for this task.

Well, certainly the gentlemen either side of me are.

I've got, if you'll pardon me saying so, seven honorary doctorates.

Of course you do. Do you put "Dame Doctor Esther"?

-How does it work?

-Well, I've got a very long name anyway, you know.

Writing it down takes hours.

So lengthening it is not a good idea.

Now, come on, Hal, let's have your qualifications.

I'm a BA. I've got a degree.

-In politics.

-Yeah. I love the way

-your voice has sort of gone up a little bit there slightly.

-OK?

Don't ask the university for proof!

But I also think, Hal, because you and I have worked together previously,

and now you've got the beard, may I say, this has given you more gravitas.

I think it has, and I think if there is anybody out there casting

anything. I think I'm the new Brian Blessed, a slightly camper version.

IN CAMP VOICE: Gordon's alive!

Yes!

Woo! He's always flying, I can't believe it!

Now, Alex, of course.

Well, until I met these guys,

I thought I was doing OK with my Level 1 Food Safety & Hygiene

-certificate.

-Come on, come on.

I think it may have lapsed, sadly.

So what do they teach you on that food hygiene course?

Just washing your hands carefully. Pretty simple, straightforward, but sensible stuff.

And, of course, if you're cheese-maker, this is the type of thing you need.

-Exactly. ALL you need, in fact.

-Are there any award-winning cheeses?

Yes, I got Super Gold for my smelly one at the World Cheese Awards.

Come on! APPLAUSE

That's not what it's called, though, "my smelly one"?

-No, Goddess, it's called.

-Oh, right, sorry!

It's made with Guernsey milk, and, yes, it's quite pokey.

Look, it is a very highly qualified panel.

We have BA, we have Dame and we have "gold for his smelly one".

I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. That is the panel.

Let's today's contestant. It is Annie from Manchester.

-How are you doing?

-I'm all right, thank you.

-Tell us a bit about yourself.

-My name's Annie. I'm 23 years old.

I'm currently doing a Masters in English literature

-at Manchester University.

-OK.

So that basically puts you head and shoulders above anybody on the panel.

What do you do in your spare time?

I support a Korean boyband called Bangtan Sonyeondan, or BTS.

A Korean boyband is your obsession in life?

-Yes.

-Tell me a little bit about this boyband.

They just write their own music, compose their own music. They tour worldwide all the time.

They've just been busy from December till now - they've only just gone on a break now.

I love the way that Annie's actually talking as if she manages this band.

Well, they keep us very informed.

What do you make of our panel today, Annie?

I'm quite impressed, actually. With a dame!

And we'll just pause for that while Hal and Alex's hearts

just sink a little bit.

To be fair, when I heard "cheese-maker",

I assumed that was sort of a joke,

like, I make cheesy jokes in my spare time, I'm a cheese-maker.

No, that's me! I'm the cheese-maker.

-OK, Annie, are you ready to play?

-I am, yes.

-OK, best of luck.

Let's play Round One.

OK, Annie, this round is Multiple Choice.

Four possible answers to each question.

Four questions in the round.

£200 for each correct answer, a possible £800.

Here we go, best of luck.

I feel like a bit...

-Pacific.

-You feel it might be the Pacific?

Just because it was the only one that kind of went "ding" in my head.

OK. Well, look, don't worry.

I mean, we've got plenty of time to sort this out.

I'm sure our panel can bring some knowledge to this.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Right, panel, do you have a view about this, Hal?

Well, I think it is either Atlantic or Pacific.

It's definitely not Mediterranean or North Sea.

Agreed. What do you think?

Er, yes, and I think she was killed

trying to do one or the other as well,

and they never found her body.

She was like an early exponent of Girl Power.

It's 1932. I'm pretty sure it's the Atlantic.

I'm pretty sure she went France to New York or something,

Paris or something like that.

May I quickly tell you about my great-great-great-great aunt?

Oh!

Diana Barnato Walker.

She was one of the Spitfire plane delivery pilots.

Women in the Second World War were not allowed to be pilots

fighting, like in the Battle of Britain, but they were allowed

to deliver Spitfires where they had to go, flying without instruments

through all kinds of weathers,

and they were these wonderful flapper cocktail debutantes.

She was quite a girl.

The idea of flapper debutantes with champagne and a cigarette

going, "Oh, it's so much fun! Flying our Spitfires!"

That's more or less what they did, but incredibly brave.

-Amazing.

-But that doesn't help us with Amelia Earhart, does it?

Atlantic or Pacific?

I think the Atlantic.

-It's got to be Atlantic.

-You think Atlantic?

Right. The view of the panel is that Amelia Earhart became the first

female pilot to fly solo over the Atlantic Ocean.

So, Annie, they are going for Atlantic.

I think I'll go with them, actually, because I have no idea.

WAY before my time.

OK, you're going to go with the panel to get us up and running.

Did Amelia Earhart become the first female pilot to cross the Atlantic?

APPLAUSE She was.

Very well played, very well done, panel.

Amelia Earhart travelled over 2,000 miles from Newfoundland

and then Canada, to Culmore in Northern Ireland, was completed in the record time of

14 hours and 56 minutes.

So pleased were the people of Northern Ireland that she landed in Northern Ireland

that they call their airport,

to this day, the George Best City Airport.

OK, Annie, well done. You're up and running. That is £200.

Here comes your second question.

I should know this because one of my school buildings

was called the Marie Curie Building, but I don't.

I'm going to say promethium, just because it's got the best name.

I mean, our panel may not be able to bring anything more than that

to this. Panel, let's see if you can help us out here.

Your debate starts now.

I didn't even know promethium was a chemical element.

Maybe it isn't, is it?

Let's get rid of platinum, for example, because I think platinum...

-Yeah.

-..has been known for a long time.

-Known to the ancients.

Potassium doesn't feel as if it's a new chemical, does it?

-No.

-Now, polonium is radioactive, isn't it?

-Yes.

-Because that poor Russian died of a cup of tea.

Yeah, and that was her area of research.

-She discovered radioactivity.

-She did.

-And died of cancer.

-And died of it, yeah.

-From radiation poisoning.

So, would it be polonium because that's the only thing that is

-radioactive?

-Well, that's what we're thinking, isn't it?

Is promethium radioactive or is it...

a rare earth metal?

I've just got this feeling there are scientists at home going,

-"The state of science education in this country!"

-Absolutely.

Annie had a good feeling about Promethium.

-She did.

-Don't put this on me!

So, we could choose promethium and we could blame her.

-Would that be fair?

-Yeah.

No. We could say polonium and then she could blame us if she gets it

-wrong.

-Right.

The time has come for us to decide, panel.

I think we have to be brave and go for polonium.

Let's go for polonium.

Right, the verdict from the panel is...

that Marie and Pierre Curie are credited with the discovery of

radium and also with polonium.

So, Annie, this gives you a little choice.

I feel like going with what they said,

just because of the good feeling from the last question.

I only picked promethium because it's got a cool name.

OK, you're going with polonium?

-Yeah.

-Oh, goodness.

On your heads be it, panel.

Were they credited with the discovery of polonium?

They were.

-Very well done.

-Thanks.

Very well played, panel.

Polonium named after the country of Marie Curie's birth, Poland.

-Oh, of course.

-Both elements are highly radioactive.

If today, at the Bibliotheque Nationale,

if you want to consult the Curies' notebooks,

you have to sign a certificate that you do so at your own risk.

Promethium IS a real element.

Its chemical symbol is Pm.

Very well done, Annie. You went with the panel again.

Another £200 into the prize pot. You're up to £400!

Here comes your next one.

I'm going to go with the cool name again, Ivan the Terrible.

Just because he's terrible!

-Why not?

-OK, you're thinking Ivan the Terrible,

-based purely on street cred?

-Purely, yeah.

-Purely on street cred.

Panel, can you bring anything to this?

-Your debate starts now.

-I wish I'd read this book.

-Yeah.

-It's quite long.

-It's a whopper, isn't it?

-Did you see the BBC adaptation, the drama?

-No.

-OK.

-Did you see it, then?

I saw a bit of it.

And I think I may have seen...

Napoleon Bonaparte.

Ah! Are you sure there wasn't an Ivan the Terrible?

I'm sure there wasn't an Ivan the Terrible

because I think he was earlier,

-don't you?

-I think... He was Russian, wasn't he?

-He was definitely Russian.

-He was called the Terrible.

We stopped doing that

by the 19th-century, hadn't we, these things?

So far! It may come back.

Yes. Trump the Awful!

Do you remember someone very short walking around, being Napoleon?

In my life? Very often.

Very often. Story of my life.

What would Napoleon have been doing in Russia?

-I don't know the story of War and Peace.

-Invading it.

-Yes.

-He would be invading it.

-That's the battle...

-I mean, what's...

-That's what it's about, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-Yeah. I think so.

-Yeah.

-Right,

the hunch of the panel is that the historical figure appearing

as a character in Tolstoy's War And Peace is...

Napoleon Bonaparte.

So, Annie, based on Esther's viewing habits,

they think it might be Napoleon.

Ivan is a cool name, but Napoleon...

Not that he was short, guys, he was average for his time.

But he is in a lot of books like this.

Yeah, I'll go with you guys.

OK, you're going to go with the panel?

-Yeah.

-For £200, the correct answer is...

It IS Napoleon Bonaparte!

Very well done, Annie. Very well played, Esther and panel.

The book portrays Russian social life during the war against Napoleon from 1805 to 1814.

Ivan the Terrible died - you were right, Esther - 1584.

A couple of centuries before War And Peace opens in 1805.

Well played, panel. Well done, Annie. Another £200 in the prize pot.

You're up to £600.

OK, let's see if we can make it

a clean sweep for Round One. Here's your final question.

I feel like Parkway. Based off the Tube,

there's a Junction, Central or Street everywhere.

You don't often get Parkways.

OK, you're thinking the Tube map, you're thinking Parkway.

Is it the same for train stations?

A well-travelled panel, I'm sure, can sort this out for you.

-Your debate starts now.

-Hal, you're good at hunches.

-What do you think?

-I was going with Annie's method of going,

"Coolest name - Parkway." Parkway is calling to us.

Nearly had a hit...called Parklife.

But Parkway does seem...

-Didcot Parkway... That's the only one...

-Southampton Airport Parkway.

-Oh, OK.

-Bristol got a Parkway.

-Oh, OK.

-Tiverton Parkway.

Oh, you're destroying the confidence.

Do you know what, though? I was slightly embarrassed not to know

the answer to the last question. I would be slightly embarrassed

-to KNOW the answer to this question!

-Yeah.

It is a bit of a nerdy question, I think.

Working... If one can apply logic to it,

Parkway is usually where you park.

It's for people who leave their cars there, and then take the train.

-Ah!

-And I think that comparatively recent.

I can't remember, going back into the dawn of time to my youth,

travelling by train, that there were parkways.

-There were junctions. There was Clapham Junction...

-Yeah.

-Are there many other junctions?

-But are there many other junctions?

-Good question.

-There's got to be.

Can we think of another junction?

Street, we know exists.

And Central we know exists.

I have a feeling that the answer may be Junction.

Parkway was my original hunch,

-but you've totally talked me into Junction.

-Yes, I agree. I agree.

I'm going to say that the panel has decided

the word we're looking for is Junction.

I'm a bit torn, you see.

Just because Parkway sounds very American to me,

but you've gotten me this far, so I'll just put the blame on you!

-I'll go with Junction, too.

-OK, you're going to go with the panel?

-Yeah.

-Is junction the correct answer for £200?

-It is!

-Ahh!

We got there, gentlemen, we got there. My heart.

Very well done. Very well played, Annie.

Junction is in 19 station names, including St Helens Junction,

Watford Junction and famously Clapham Junction.

Parkway is in 21.

Including Luton Airport Parkway, Didcot Parkway, Oxford Parkway.

Central is in 30.

Street is in 31.

But then you knew all that, and that's why you were able

to sort this out so quickly. Very well played, panel.

Well done, Annie. At the end of Round One, it's 100%,

you're on £800!

OK, Annie. How do you think our panel are doing so far?

Amazing. I don't whether it is just my pure luck or your pure genius,

but we're doing very well together.

So, you think that the genius is on their behalf and the luck is on your

-behalf?

-I'm a very lucky person.

-OK. Will there be a part of the show where your genius will shine through, do you think?

-I hope not.

Anybody in particular standing out?

-Dame Esther.

-Dame Esther standing out so far.

-Gosh.

-Let's see...

-I'll try not to spoil it.

That's just the way she dresses.

Make sure and pay close attention because you can only choose one of them in the final debate.

-OK.

-Let's see how they get on with pictures, it's time for Round Two.

Annie, Round Two is our picture round. We need you to put the pictures in order.

The money goes up to £300 for each correct answer.

Three questions in this round.

Let's see if we can keep your winning streak going with this.

I knew the Berlin Wall came down, but I don't know the date.

The other two are things I've never even heard of.

That makes me feel very, very old, Annie.

Annie, what you need, you need a panel that has lived

through the '80s...

-And can remember them.

-And can remember them.

So, panel, your debate starts now.

OK, guys. I'm relying on you

-this time.

-This was my decade.

-I know this.

-Terrific!

-I am very confident.

-I love it when you say that.

I can even give you months and years of everything, I think.

-Do that.

-No, I'm not sure.

-Well, try.

-I know Mary Rose,

I think it is autumn of '82.

-OK.

-That's here, is it?

Well, it depends when you say the others were.

I was in my first term at school and I remember talking about it...

-It was on Blue Peter.

-Yeah, it was on Blue Peter.

-Yeah.

-This is November '89.

-Yeah, I think, yeah.

-And that's July '85.

I'm sure... Was that? I am sure we went to Berlin after Live Aid

-on the German...

-Did you take part in all these events?!

No! No, but I did... That was in Southampton. That's in Southampton,

which was near where I live. So, it was, like, on the news every day.

-Yeah.

-And I did go to Germany on a German exchange after.

I'm pretty sure that's the order.

Do you remember...? I remember the Mary Rose coming up at going,

-"It's rubbish!"

-"It's tiny!"

-I thought it was going to be

some brilliant boat and it was just a bit... It was just floating wood.

-Oh, it's...

-Rubbish.

-Well, I know it's big.

-It's got very good now because what happened was,

when this wonderful Tudor ship sank,

unfortunately there were nets over the deck, and people drowned.

And they drowned with their longbows, their chess sets.

I really recommend it, it's a fascinating exhibition.

And this, the Live Aid concert, you would adore.

Bob Geldof is just extraordinary.

He got everybody to take part by lying to them and telling them that

everybody else had already agreed.

-Yes.

-And he got these amazing bands.

Both sides of the Atlantic.

Both sides of the Atlantic, simultaneously,

to raise money for Africa. And of course, the Berlin Wall, amazing.

-Amazing event.

-David Hasselhoff.

-Pardon?!

-David Hasselhoff!

-Did he bring it down?

-They scrambled The Hoff, didn't they?

Didn't they? Have I gotten that completely wrong?

Are you mixing it up with...? David Hasselhoff wasn't involved in the

Berlin Wall coming down, was he?

-Maybe caused it to come down?

-Was he a major political figure?

-No...

That he then retired and did Baywatch.

No, that's somebody else completely.

You're thinking of Willy Brandt.

I don't know what I'm thinking about, but I reckon we got it right.

So, in order, we've got...

First of all, the Mary Rose.

Secondly, the Live Aid concert.

Thirdly, the Berlin Wall came down.

I'm completely stumped.

I mean, I was born in 1993, so I've no idea.

I'm just going to put my trust in you. You haven't let me down so far.

You're agreeing with the panel?

-Yeah.

-For £300, is that the correct order?

-It is.

-Yay!

-Well done.

-Well done, panel.

Brilliant.

Very well played, Annie. Good 1980s knowledge.

The Mary Rose, the flagship of King Henry VIII,

was raised to the surface on the 11th of October...

in the autumn of 1982, Hal.

I mean, that is good knowledge. After 430 years at the bottom

of the Solent. Live Aid was on the 13th of July 1985.

The Berlin Wall was breached for the first time

on the 9th of November 1989.

David Hasselhoff, the star of Baywatch,

was a huge pop star in Germany in the late 1980s.

He sang on top of the Brandenburg Gate

after the Berlin Wall came down that New Year's Eve.

-Is that really true?

-That is a fact.

Oh, we were so rude to you as well!

Very well done, Annie. Another £300 into the prize pot.

You're up to £1,100.

OK, here comes your second picture question, Annie.

I know for a fact that Manneken Pis is in Belgium.

So, that's going to be a B. So, that's my only thing.

I don't know where the other two are.

OK, panel. Can we sort this out? Your debate starts now.

Right... So, it's the city in alphabetical order.

Do we think Greyfriars Bobby is in...

-Edinburgh?

-It is in Edinburgh, yes.

-Is it really?

-Yes.

-So, that's E.

-It's near the church where he did hang out.

He was a dog and his owner died,

and he slept on the grave and wouldn't be taken away.

I mean, it's a nice thing to do, but you get a statue for that...

It's a dog. He's just following instinct. Not to be harsh.

I have a little bit of jealousy of Greyfriars Bobby.

-Anyway...

-So, Molly Malone has to be...

# Cockles and mussels. #

-That's a brilliant Irish accent(!)

-That is a musician.

I mean, you can tell immediately.

That is a bass player.

-Indeed.

-Indeed.

-Dublin?

-It's got to be Dublin.

-So, that comes before that.

Now...

-Manneken...

-Brussels.

-Brussels?

-OK.

So, it goes...

B...

..D...

E.

OK. We think, in alphabetical order, these cities go...

Firstly, Brussels.

Secondly, Dublin.

Third, Edinburgh.

I'm going to agree 100%.

I did not even know those statues were where you said they were.

I only saw the Manneken Pis because I went to Brussels with my dad

-on a business trip.

-OK, you're going with the panel?

-Yeah.

You think it Manneken Pis, then Molly Malone, then Greyfriars Bobby.

For £300... is that the correct order?

-It is!

-Yay!

Very well played.

Well done, everyone.

Manneken Pis is found in Brussels,

the boy is known to the people of Brussels as their oldest citizen.

He is adorned with various costumes

throughout the year to mark festivals.

Greyfriars Bobby is found in Edinburgh

and there's good old Molly Malone

in Dublin, nicknamed by locals "the tart with the cart".

There she is, now. Well done, panel.

Well played, Annie. It means that you're now up to £1,400.

OK, Annie, final picture question.

I haven't watched an Olympic Games since 2012, so

-I've absolutely no clue.

-Annie, none of this matters

because pretty much every question so far,

you've said, "I have no clue, I have no idea,"

and we're ticking along with pretty much every one correct.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-Gosh, this is...

-This is really hard.

This is so difficult.

We should just throw them up in the air, and see what lands.

I feel that lacrosse has been brought in sort of recently.

But I could be completely wrong with that.

I think it might have done. I think cricket and polo would have been...

Would have been... The Olympics restarted, wasn't it,

in the 1880s, 1890s or something like that?

You mean after classical times?

-Yes. After the classical times.

-OK, well, they used to do...

They did a lot of running around and gym, and wrestling.

-Discus throwing.

-Mainly in the nude.

-Yeah.

-Yes. OK.

-And they definitely didn't have cricket.

They might have had polo,

but it would have been played with somebody's head, I think.

Unless that happened in Mongolia.

Right. OK, I think...

My temptation is maybe lacrosse last.

-What do you think?

-Really?

-OK, so... As in most recent, or...?

-Yes, most recent.

-Yeah, I'm tempted.

Well, we... If there had been cricket in the last Olympics,

they'd have been showing it on the telly.

-Yes.

-Because we've got a pretty good cricket team.

-That's right, and there's a lot of interest.

-Yes.

-I don't think...

Do you want to put cricket there, then?

I just think cricket would have had a time when it would have been

in a lot, when London was doing the Olympics.

They'd have probably put it in in 1908.

Let's put lacrosse up that end. I keep putting it up that end...

That means that you think this is the MOST likely...

-I think...

-No, that's the least.

-Oh, OK. That's the least.

-Fewest?

-Fewest, bit more, most.

-Yeah.

-Middle.

-Go for it.

Let us admit, Annie, that we do not know.

-No.

-But we think the correct order is...

Fewest to lacrosse, next fewest to polo, and most - cricket.

But we may be wrong.

Plenty of debate. Very little knowledge there!

I don't know. Because polo just

seems like the kind of sport that one would contest for a medal.

Like, "I did better than you."

I don't know. I might just leave it.

Just...so the blame isn't entirely on me.

So, you think you may go with the panel?

-Yeah.

-You might want to switch over polo and cricket, from what you say.

Then I'll do that. I'll switch polo and cricket,

-just because none of us know.

-So, Annie, you're going for?

I'm going for lacrosse, and then cricket, and then polo.

So, you're going against the panel on this one.

For £300, is that the correct order?

-Oh! Bother!

-It is the wrong order.

Let's have a little look, Annie, at the right order.

Oh! OK, that's fine, we were both wrong!

OK, panel also wrong on this.

Cricket has appeared only once.

There you are.

At the 1900 Paris Games, when just two teams took part.

Great Britain and France.

The French team consisted mainly of British expats living in Paris.

Lacrosse has appeared twice, polo has appeared five times.

So, Annie, nothing for that.

It means, at the end of Round Two, you are still on £1,400.

So, how do you think the panel is faring now, Annie?

They're doing very well. I reckon...

Hal's really proven himself to me with his gut feeling.

Let's not mention my gut again!

So, you thought Esther was doing very well at the start,

Hal is coming up on the rails. There is still time for Alex.

£1,500 up for grabs as we play Round Three.

So, Annie, in Round Three, you will face questions about a person,

-a place or a thing.

-OK.

Only one of those statements is true.

We need you to find that true statement.

Because it is the final round, £500 up for grabs for each correct answer.

So, here comes your first one.

I can believe that. C.

-It seems like something he would say.

-So, you think it may be oops?

All right, panel, let's see if we can bring any knowledge to this.

-Your debate starts now.

-So, he was the second guy on the moon,

wasn't he? Behind Neil Armstrong. Is that right?

Yeah, I can't remember what his first name was,

but Buzz is usually in inverted commas...

-inverted commas.

-It's a nickname.

-Yeah.

Buzzard. For goodness' sake!

His mother's maiden name was Moon.

How would we EVER know that?

I think it would be more widely known, if that was the case.

Because it's ridiculous.

I don't know if it would, I think it is possible that it is Moon.

I think that is more likely than him saying "oops".

-He's a big, tough spaceman. Oops!

-I can't imagine him saying, oops.

-Are you going with Moon?

-I just want it to be oops.

You want it to be? Right. You want it to be oops,

so you're going for oops.

Oops is the nice one...

-Oops is lovely.

-But I think it's probably the mum, Moon.

I want it to be oops,

so I'm going to make the answer to this interesting question

about Buzz Aldrin, is now going to be

that his mother's maiden name was Moon.

You old tease, Esther!

You're such a tease!

I never know quite what I'm going to say until I've said it.

It's good. Esther would LOVE his first words on the moon

to have been oops, although she's going with Hal.

I feel like that one is the least ridiculous.

I can honestly believe him saying oops,

but just not the first word that comes out of his mouth.

-I'm going to go with Moon.

-OK, you're going with the panel.

Surely this isn't true.

For £500, was Buzz Aldrin's mother's maiden name Moon?

It was!

-Brilliant.

-Well done. Very well done.

Very well played, panel.

-Wow!

-Wow.

His real name was Edwin Eugene Aldrin Jr,

but he legally changed his name to Buzz in the 1980s.

The name Buzz comes from his sister,

Fay Ann's mispronunciation of the word "brother".

She said buzzer.

And that's where Buzz came from.

When Buzz backed down the ladder of the Eagle lander

and first set foot on the moon, "He remarked to Houston, beautiful, beautiful,

"magnificent desolation," which is slightly better than "oops".

Than oops.

And in 2015, on Mother's Day, he tweeted,

"My mother's name was Marion Moon - I guess it was destiny."

Well played, panel. Another £500 into the prize pot.

You're now on £1,900.

Still £1,000 up for grabs.

Here comes your next one.

And I'm feeling just to go with A, because singing a national anthem,

like "mmm"...

Oh, you quite like the fact that the Spanish just stand there and hum?

They're quite passionate people, so I can't imagine that's true, but...

I'm going to go with A.

OK, you're thinking A. You're thinking the Spanish national anthem

doesn't have any official lyrics.

Panel, can we sort this out for Annie? Your debate starts now.

OK, guys.

-Do you have instincts on it?

-Well...

I thought that France was bigger in area than Spain.

-Well, that's a start.

-Yeah.

And I also... Three is definitely wrong.

Or C. There are more Spanish speakers in Spain than in Mexico.

I'm sure Mexico's much bigger population than Spain.

Yeah, like, Mexico City alone...

is like two Londons with a Paris in it.

Yeah, it feels like it like 120 million or something, Mexico.

And I've got a feeling the Spanish national anthem might have

no lyrics, because of...

Did it used to have a really dodgy anthem under Franco?

And they've not been able to replace the dodgy lyrics that were all

very nationalistic and right-wing.

I don't know why I think that, but I think it sounds clever.

OK. So, let's go for the least likely one

as our choice.

It's highly unlikely, but the panel -

may I say the gentleman particularly -

have decided that the Spanish national anthem has no lyrics.

Skilfully passing the buck there.

Esther has put this on Alex and on Hal.

I'm going to get with the panel on this one.

OK, you're going with the panel.

Oh, we could be so wrong.

For £500, the correct statement is...

-Well done.

-Yay!

-Well done!

-Very well played.

-Well done.

Well worked out, panel, I have to say.

Spain is the second-largest EU country - only France is bigger.

So your first thought on that was correct.

Hal, very good work.

The traditional lyrics to the Spanish national anthem,

which had fascist overtones,

were scrapped in 1978 as Spain returned to democracy after Franco's

dictatorship. I mean, it's almost word for word.

-Really, I should be teaching.

-You really should.

At university.

And you were right, Mexico is over 100 million Spanish speakers.

The population of Spain is 48 million.

Well done, panel. Well played, Annie.

You're up to £2,400.

One more question to go.

A chance to get this up to £2,900.

Here it comes.

I've never actually watched a James Bond movie.

We are at the home of James Bond in Pinewood Studios, Annie.

You can't be telling us that!

Roger Moore's a name that I'm familiar with,

so I'm going to go with that for now.

OK. You've heard of Roger Moore, so you're going with that one.

OK, panel, let's see if we can sort this out for Annie.

Your debate starts now.

-OK.

-Are you a fan of the books?

Well, I certainly read them when they first came out.

-No way!

-Really?

Yeah! Yeah, I think they are brilliantly crafted.

Which is why the films live on, and so on.

Yet they are not appreciated by the younger generation!

So it seems. So it seems. Right. Shall we take this one by one?

The Man With The Golden Gun was John F Kennedy's favourite novel.

Hard to say. Couldn't say for sure.

I think unlikely.

So, let's put that on hold for a minute.

Bond was played by Roger Moore in a 1964 TV comedy sketch.

-Hard to discount.

-That sounds silly, but feels...

Something about it feels right.

And I'm very bad with my hunches, so I wouldn't go with it,

but that was the one that made me think, "Ooh!"

I'm pretty sure, though, that Dr No was the first film.

Well, that is a tricky one, isn't it?

-Well, there's Casino Royale.

-The David Niven one, but

-it wasn't proper...

-Yes, that was terrible.

-But he wrote...

James Bond was the most boring name Ian Fleming could think of.

-It's the name of an author of a book about...

-Birds!

-Birds.

Of the Caribbean or something.

-Yes. Exactly so.

-And he created him, he wanted him to be

a really boring man that really interesting things happened to.

So, he sort of morphed into this super-sexy superhero,

but I've got a feeling that that is the true statement.

I've got a feeling that was the true statement - Dr No.

I just... I think I'd go with you on this...

-On Dr No?

-Even though, I would like to register in case it's right,

I've got a feeling about Roger Moore in this comedy sketch.

You are going to register... a protest vote.

-In case we lose.

-Apart from that,

we're going to decide, now, as a panel,

that Dr No was Ian Fleming's first Bond novel.

They are going with Dr No as the first novel.

I'm going to go with them. Just because I have no clue at all.

So, you were thinking Roger Moore, but you're now going to go with

the panel. You think that Dr No was Ian Fleming's first novel.

For £500, the correct answer is...

-Oh!

-You were right!

You were right! We should...

Roger Moore played James Bond being on holiday

in a sketch with Millicent Martin

for her comedy show, Mainly Millicent, in 1964 -

nine years before he took over the role from Sean Connery on the big

screen. Casino Royale was the first Bond novel published in 1953.

President Kennedy reputedly claimed that From Russia With Love...

-Of course.

-..was one of his favourite novels.

He wasn't alive when The Man with the Golden Gun was published

in 1965. So, nothing for that, Annie.

It means at the end of Round Three, you're on £2,400!

Now, it's a very tidy prize pot, Annie.

If you manage to get that today, any plans for money?

I'm going to go to Thailand with my brother

-and also get my wisdom teeth removed.

-You're going to get your wisdom teeth removed?

I've got five of them and they're very painful.

So, basically,

panel, no pressure on this,

but there's actually physical pain involved here,

that only you can help.

-Constant pain.

-Constant pain that only you can relieve.

-Oh, dear.

-Just putting it out there. OK, Annie,

there's only one question between you and that money. It is the Final Debate question.

As you know, in the Final Debate, you have six possible answers.

Only three are correct.

You need to find all three, but you will not be doing it on your own,

because you will be choosing one of these fine upstanding panellists to

help you in that quest.

So, who are you going to choose for today's Final Debate?

Will you be calling at Hal Central?

Will it be Rantzen Parkway?

Or will you be up the Junction with Alex?

-I'm going to go with Hal.

-You're going to go Hal.

Hal, join us, please, for the Final Debate.

So, Hal, Annie has put her faith in you.

-Has she made the right decision?

-I hope so. I hope we get

a good topic. That's like... I'm nervous, but I don't...

-I should be strong, shouldn't I?

-You should be confident and supportive.

Yes, that's my role.

Annie, we're all hoping you can do this.

It is the Final Debate question, so we will give you a choice from two.

Tell me what you fancy.

I really want to go US Politics, but I'm not so good

on the historical US politics.

Just the last ten years or so,

so I don't really want to pick that and then be stumped.

I'm quite confident on politics, but US politics, I'm pretty confident.

I did do a degree in politics,

but it was a long time ago and I've forgotten a lot.

My degree had a module on politics.

So, yeah. I reckon we've got a really good chance on this.

-What it is to be?

-US Politics.

US Politics.

OK, Annie. US Politics it is.

£2,400 at stake.

We're wishing you all the best of luck.

Here comes your Final Debate question.

Your 45 seconds starts now.

-Definitely wasn't California.

-No, not California. I would...

Looking at it, straightaway, definitely Florida,

definitely Texas, definitely Ohio. I'm sure Ohio went for him.

That's what I was thinking, yeah.

Because that was the big swing thing, and I'm pretty sure they did

vote for him. Because he got that and Minnesota and things...

Yeah. I know that Ohio was supposed to be a swing state and supposed

to go to Democrat, but I'm 100% sure it definitely went to Trump.

Yeah, I think...

I think that's definitely right.

-I'm happy with that.

-New Mexico worries me.

Because it is close to...

But Arizona didn't go for him.

So I think... And New Mexico's near there, isn't it?

-So...

-Ten seconds.

-I think Florida, Texas, Ohio.

-Yeah.

-I'm a little bit worried

about New Mexico, but I'm almost definitely sure of those three.

-I'm confident with that, yeah.

-Yeah.

-Florida, Texas, Ohio.

-I'm confident of that.

-OK. Good.

OK, Annie, we need three answers.

We're going to go Florida, Texas and Ohio.

Florida, Texas and Ohio.

OK, Annie. Here we go, £2,400 up for grabs.

You seem pretty sure about this.

First state you gave me was Florida.

Did Florida vote for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election?

It did.

One down, two to go. The next state you gave me was Texas.

Again, both of you were pretty sure on this one.

Did Texas vote for Donald Trump?

It did!

So, it all comes down to this, Annie.

You guys were a little bit worried about New Mexico.

You thought Ohio was a swing state,

but you think that Donald Trump got it.

If he did, you leave with £2,400.

If he didn't, you leave with nothing.

Fingers crossed.

Did Ohio, for £2,400,

vote for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE It did!

Very well done, Annie. Well played, Hal. Congratulations.

Well done, Annie. You've just won £2,400!

Very well done. Give it up one more time for Annie.

That is it for Debatable. There's just enough time for me to thank a fantastic panel.

To Hal Cruttenden, to Alex James and to Esther Rantzen.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

I do hope you've enjoyed watching. We will see you next time

for more heated debates. For now, it's goodbye from me.