Episode 33 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable

where, today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to walk away with a jackpot of over ?3,000.

But they're not on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces,

debating their way to the answers. Will they be able to talk the talk?

As always, that's debatable. So, let's meet them.

Straight talking today,

we have writer and journalist Grace Dent,

we have former royal correspondent Jennie Bond

and broadcaster Dan Walker.

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Jennie, it is a crack commando team.

It is a highly qualified team for this task. Well, three journalists.

We all know... Something. Yes. A little about a lot. Yes.

What little do you know about a lot?

Well, I suppose, oh, I ought to know stuff about European literature.

I did a degree in French and European literature,

but I seem to have forgotten nearly all of that.

That's my problem - memory, really. But I'm avid about current affairs,

so I've got a smattering of most things.

Now, Grace. Yes. Your course, degree in literature. Yes.

Do you remember any of that? I do, actually.

I think that that has been quite a useful degree

because I have to write and write and write every day

for newspapers and it's amazing where that comes in, it really is.

What did you study, Dan? You've got two degrees, is that right?

I've got a history degree

and another degree in broadcast journalism,

so bit of double bubble going on.

My mum used to teach first aid, so I can do a bit of first aid.

We like that. Grace has actually got my favourite ever qualification.

Oh, yeah. Grace is qualified to judge barbecues. How cool is that?

At an international level. What do you mean, at an international level?

Well, I can do it in America, I can do it in the Caribbean.

You know barbecuing is a serious business.

I don't just turn up at your house and judge you, you know,

when you're trying to have a nice Saturday. I'd quite like that.

So, what happens is, you sit down and there'll be a time span

and people keep bringing you plates of meat

and you have a piece and then you put the judging thing down.

This seems like the greatest job in the world.

It is until about the fifth dish and then you start to sweat.

But if you are having a barbecue,

give me a shout and I'll come round and judge you.

OK, so your checking my meat, not my buns.

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OK, guys, that is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Pat from Sunderland.

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Pat, meet Pat. Pat, meet Pat. Yeah, two Patricks. How you doing?

I'm very well, thank you. Tell us a bit about yourself.

I'm Pat from Sunderland. I'm a student landlord.

I own a couple of Victorian properties. Whoa, hang on.

You are a student landlord. Yes. You are a very brave soul.

Yes, I've had some horrible animals through my front door,

unfortunately, if I'm allowed to say that.

You ARE allowed to say that, yeah.

Very messy, drunk and all of that jazz. It's, oh, terrible.

So, you vet the students? How does it work? Usually, yeah.

It's an interview, you know. OK.

Sit them down and ask what their intentions are. Intentions?

Intentions? What are your intentions towards my house?

What do you make of today's panel? Very strong. Mm.

Very beautiful. Oh.

Yes, yes. You old sweet talker, Pat.

I think they're going to do a good job for me.

They are going to do a good job. OK, you have to pay close attention

because you can only choose one of them

for the Final Debate today. Ready to play? I'm ready.

OK, best of luck. Thank you. Let's play Round 1.

Round 1 is multiple choice.

Four possible answers, only one is correct.

Four questions in this round. ?200 for each correct answer.

?800 in total. Here we go.

Let's see if you can get off the mark with this one.

Um, I'm going to go for beans, possibly,

but I'd like to hear what the panel say.

You're thinking beans. Panel, can you sort this out for us?

Fine words butter no what? Your debate starts now.

Butter beans. I can see where you're coming from. Butter beans.

Of those four, I'm sure I've heard the phrase...

Have you heard the phrase "Butter no parsnips"? See, I think I have.

And also, aren't parsnips the thing out of that

that need the most butter?

I don't know about that. Is that your food critic knowledge?

As a food critic, I would say that, out of all of those things,

the one thing that you couldn't eat without some kind of oil would be...

What about a baked potato though? You've got to pour some...

You need something on that. Parsnips are particularly dry.

But I wonder where the phrase comes from

cos we've all heard the phrase, I think. Yeah. Is it not religious?

Does it not come from some religious leader said it? Really?

We talk about... This comes from... Like Augustine, something like that?

Yeah, I think I did this during my A level in history,

but I did 16th century European history.

This was a long time ago though.

But I think it's parsnips. Like you say, butter beans is...

Kind of word association.

Butter no carrots sounds completely, wrong, doesn't it?

I'm sure, like the rest...

I think I've definitely heard "Butter no parsnips".

I think "Butter no parsnips" is the phrase.

I've never heard the other ones. No.

No. I think we are actually united on that. Yeah.

We all seem to have hard the phrase,

so we're definitely going to go for "Butter no parsnips".

OK, some vague knowledge from school there from Grace.

Yes, I was going off what Jennie said with "Butter no beans",

but I'm being swayed, if I'm honest. I can tell. Yeah, yeah.

Um, yes, I'm going to go for parsnips as well.

OK, you're going with the panel. I'm going with the panel.

OK, panel, absolutely no pressure.

To get Pat off the mark, is parsnips the correct answer, for ?200?

It is.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Well done, guys.

Very well played, Pat. Thank you.

Brewer's Dictionary defines its meaning

as "Mere words are not enough to rectify the situation". Ah.

Which means, "Thank the Lord that you got that right

"cos you cannot talk your way out of it." Yeah.

The phrase in English dates back to at least the 1630s. Wow.

Well played, Grace. Well done, panel. Well played, Pat.

You're up and running. ?200 in the prize pot. Thank you.

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Here comes your next one.

It sounds like something Lily Allen would say

but, again, I'd rather go to the panel and see what they say.

OK, panel, can we sort this out for Pat? Your debate starts now.

What do you reckon? I... I know who I thought it was right away.

Mm, same here.

Because the person who would have said this also was positive

about Margaret Thatcher in the height of her fame

and that would be Geri Halliwell. Mm-hmm. However, Adele...

I don't think Adele would say that.

She always says she never gets involved in politics.

She's quite guarded. She'd be left-wing, though.

Yes, and Lily Allen is very, very left-wing.

Didn't the Spice Girls, in their prime, say...?

Yeah, she was like a hero. What did they call her?

She was the ultimate power... Ultimate source of girl power, yeah.

There's Geri in her Union Jack, sort of patriotism. Yeah.

Lulu? I don't know about Lulu. You see, if...

I can't think of any reason... Lulu doesn't give a lot away

about her politics, but I don't know if she has a Twitter account.

Have you ever seen or heard Lulu twitter? No.

Also, if you imagine, of those,

the only one I can actually visualise saying that

would be Geri Halliwell. Yeah.

Yeah, and Lulu, I couldn't imagine suddenly saying that

and knowing it was quite a controversial thing to say.

I think we've concluded, haven't we? Are we going with Geri? Yeah. We...

Yeah, let's go Spice. Spice it up. Yeah, we've decided to go Spicy.

We thing the lady in question is Geri Halliwell.

OK, Pat. This panel are fantastic. DAN: We're not right yet!

They're every convincing, Pat. They're very convincing, yes.

Sell snow to Eskimos, I think. Yeah, Lulu, I haven't seen her on Twitter.

I'm a big Twitter account user. Lily Allen, obviously left-wing.

I'm going to go with Geri Halliwell. Yeah.

You're going with the panel. Was it Geri Halliwell, for ?200?

HE MOUTHS

It was! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Very well done. Love it! Well done, guys. Thank you.

Yes, it was Geri Halliwell who tweeted

"A greengrocer's daughter, who taught me anything is possible".

She later deleted the tweet and then went on the record

as saying that she regretted deleting it. OK. Oh.

She had already expressed her admiration for Margaret Thatcher

in the Spice Girls' heyday.

Very well done, panel. Very well done, Pat. You're up to ?400.

Thank you. APPLAUSE

Here's your next question.

"Is NOT a name given..." I'm either going to go for Utility or Hound.

I'm going to have to ask the panel again.

OK, I'm sure the panel will be able to sort this out for you.

Your debate starts now.

Anyone been to Crufts? No, I've never Crufted it up, have you?

I love dogs and I love Crufts.

That is so tough, because they all sound perfectly feasible.

The Toy Group, I can see that.

Toy poodles, I can see that. Yeah.

That would work, wouldn't it? The Hound Group, I can see that.

Now, Utility - is that not dogs that do a specific thing?

Some dogs are very useful and need a job, like, um, sheepdogs.

Every day, they're at the door, wanting to do something.

So you would go Agility, rather than Utility? I don't know whether...

I think Agility is just... Too wide. It's too wide.

I thought Agility would be more

when they have the fly ball kind of races. Yeah.

But that's more like a competition,

where you have Best In Show.

So your question, is it a breed, an Agility Group? Yes.

That's a good point. But then Utility... Utility...

They'd all be different kinds of breeds, wouldn't they? Yes.

Why would there be a breed of dog called an Agility dog?

Is there a certain breed of dog that is particularly agile?

Belgian Shepherd. We have one and he was bred for agility.

So, we think Toy Group exists, we think Hound Group exists. Yes.

So, we're not sure about Agility and Utility. Yes, the Toy category.

Yeah. In both categories, I think we're saying

there could be various breeds in both categories. Yeah.

I... I veer towards Utility not existing.

That Utility doesn't exist. But I don't know.

If I push you, which category would you rule out?

Oh. You know, which one?

OK, um, I actually like Grace's line of argument, so I would go with...

Yeah. Agility? Yes. We're going to say that doesn't exist? Yes.

Agility doesn't exist? Yes. OK, we've got a decision here.

Oh, God... With not a great deal of belief... Sorry, Pat.

..we're going to say that Agility is the answer to this.

OK. Well, in the beginning, I said Utility Group or Hound Group.

The panel don't really know, not 100%. Mm.

I'm not 100%, but I'm going to stick with my gut

and go for Utility. OK, you're sticking with your gut. Yes.

You're going against the panel, Pat. They said Agility Group.

You're going for Utility Group.

Which group is not at Crufts?

It WAS Agility Group. Oh! Grace, Pat.

It was such a hard answer, really, wasn't it? DAN: We weren't sure.

We weren't sure, so one of those things.

There is an agility competition, Grace. You were right.

You were right. But it is not the name of a group judged at Crufts.

So, tough luck on that one. No money for that, Pat. Yeah.

You're still on ?400. Let's see if you can get back on track.

I'm being swayed towards Charlie And The Chocolate Factory

or James And The Giant Peach. I read them all as a child.

My mum would sit next to my bed and go through it all.

But, again, I'm going to ask the panel.

OK, panel, any knowledge you can bring to this?

Your debate starts now.

We've all read them and read them to our children, I think,

but they just all seem to have been around forever.

In about 1977,

I can remember reading... Charlie And The Chocolate Factory was around

and then I went straight to read James And The Giant Peach

and I read Danny and a few of the others,

but I don't remember the BFG and Matilda being around

for...till the '80s or the '90s.

I definitely did James And The Giant Peach at school. Yeah.

I did it as a, like a school productiony thing as well,

but that's of no significance

because the others might have been around at the same time.

Had you read Charlie And The Chocolate Factory at that point?

Yes, I'd read Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. You had read it.

And I'd seen it as the original film as well.

Charlie seems, for some reason, the original and the earliest

and, if you think about the first film with Gene Wilder,

that's a very old film. Yeah.

But what about James And The Giant Peach?

James And The Giant Peach is quite surreal

and quite a strange book, isn't it?

It's quite dark, isn't it, in comparison?

Whereas Charlie And The Chocolate Factory really feels like a book

that's got a whole lot more plot and more characters and it's more...

And I can't work out whether that means

he wrote Charlie And The Chocolate Factory first

and then James And The Giant Peach was

like his difficult third or fourth book.

My feeling is Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

OK, and that's your feeling too. That's my feeling as well.

I'm a bit torn between that and James And The Giant Peach

but we are definitely going to say the answer is almost certainly

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

So, the panel not quite sure on this one, Pat,

but they are drawn to Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

Yeah, I think it's a good choice.

Yeah, I'm going to go with the panel again.

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. It's a hard one, guys.

DAN: It's a toughie, that. OK, it IS a toughie.

You're back with the panel for this one.

Let's see if we can get you back on track.

Was Charlie And The Chocolate Factory published first, for ?200?

PANEL GROAN

You were so close, guys. I'm sorry, Pat.

James And The Giant Peach was published in 1961,

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory in '64.

The BFG wasn't published until the 1980s.

You were right about that, Grace.

And then Matilda, not until 1988.

Nothing for that question, Pat.

It means, at the end of Round 1, you're still on ?400.

That's all right. APPLAUSE

Couple of rounds still to go

before you have to choose who plays the final debate with you.

Let's see how our panel are on pictures. It's time for Round 2.

OK, Pat, Round 2 is the picture round.

We need you to put three pictures in the correct order.

Three questions in this round, ?300 for each correct answer.

A possible ?900 up for grabs. OK. Here comes your first one.

Oh! Yeah, that's a horrible one, isn't it? It's a tricky one.

Very tricky. Um, I'm going to go straight to the panel for this.

I think it's very wise, Pat. Panel, your debate starts now.

Gosh. Come on, we can work this out. We can work this out.

OK, who knows anything about Welsh? My mum is Welsh. Oh, right.

My mum didn't speak English until she was 16 and, in our family,

one of the little things she always throws in

is that Welsh is better than English

because there's more letters in the alphabet.

It's about 28, 29, I think, in Welsh.

Because they've got the old double F and all that.

Exactly, yes, they double up everything, don't they? Yeah.

Do you think that sometimes,

when you're trying to work out that alphabet

and you're driving through Crete or something,

one letter sometimes does for two of ours.

Yeah, and it's like...

We would have "TH" or something and they would just have a symbol.

So, they would have fewer. So, there's fewer in Greek.

They might have fewer. I've got a feeling... They have loads.

There's stacks in Russian, well into the 30s. Yes. Happy with that there?

Really? I thought the Welsh language should go up there but you think...?

I don't know where it's floating around

but I think there's loads in Russian.

Oh, well, you're usually right with your float...with your floaters.

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Jennie Bond, thank you. So, are we leaving them as they are?

Right. I'm convinced this has got a lot. OK. Yes.

Well, yeah, he's convinced. I'm going to go with the man.

Dan's the man, so...

So, we are saying the fewest Greek, then Welsh and Russian the most.

So, drawing on his ancestry... Yeah, Dan the Man.

..and a bit of a punt, they're going for Modern Greek,

then Welsh, then Modern Russian. OK, I'm going to go with the panel.

OK, you're going with the panel.

For ?300, to prevent shame on the Walker family,

is that the correct order?

Yes! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Well done! He's good!

Thanks, Dan. Very well done indeed.

Modern Greek has 24 characters,

Welsh has 28 characters, or 29, if J is included.

Ah, right. J isn't generally used in Welsh.

It only appears in words borrowed from other languages. Oh.

So, 28, 29 - you were bang-on with that. Modern Russian, 33 characters.

That many? OK. Very well worked out, panel. Very well done. Great.

Another ?300 into your prize pot. Pat, you're up to ?700. Thank you.

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Here comes your next picture question.

Straightaway, starting with the least, would be aluminium,

then copper, then gold.

I like my TVs and HDMIs and everything like that

and I know the gold ones are really expensive,

so that's what I'm going off.

OK, you're working off your HDMI cables at home.

Panel, can you bring anything to this? Your debate starts now.

Aluminium, copper, gold, do you think?

Aluminium, copper, then gold. Were the least.

And he said it with real conviction. Yeah. You did.

And he threw the HDMI cable in there, which was very impressive.

Yeah. Copper obviously conducts a lot of electricity, doesn't it?

Yeah. Cos cables, a lot of copper cables. What order did you say?

Aluminium... Aluminium. Shall we put it in...? He said.

Aluminium, copper, gold. Copper, gold... Yeah.

OK, come on, let's work this out.

Even though we're not scientists, let's work this out.

Who's going to start? LAUGHTER

I don't know. How does gold conduct electricity? Gold... Pat is right.

A gold HDMI cable is the most expensive one you can get.

I had no idea you could.

I would absolutely have to bow to Pat's knowledge on this.

I'm floundering. Like you say, copper - lots of wiring is...

Yeah, exactly. Yes. ..is copper.

Is that just because it's less expensive than...?

Is gold better at that but not used because it's so expensive

and copper's like the cheap version? I don't...

I'm astonished that gold even conducts electricity.

I'm talking myself into all sorts of holes here.

It's very rare that I'm quiet and I think that we should all enjoy that.

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OK, well, I think we're done on this.

I think that we're going to go absolutely with Pat

and it's aluminium, copper, gold,

based on our ignorance and your knowledge.

So, anything from the panel there to add to your own knowledge?

Not really, but, yeah, I'm just going to stick with that.

Aluminium, copper, gold. Fingers crossed.

OK, you're going with the panel -

or, should I say, the panel's going with you.

For ?300, is that the correct order?

It's the wrong order. No.

Let's have a look at the correct order.

It's aluminium, then gold, then copper.

I think the HDMI cables may have thrown you.

I think it did, yeah.

And, obviously, the panel didn't give me much back,

so we just went off what I said.

He's getting a bit personal now. LAUGHTER

So, the most electrically conductive element is silver.

Although silver is the best conductor,

copper and gold are used more in electrical appliances

because copper is less expensive

and gold has a higher corrosive resistance than silver.

Silver tarnishes.

That makes it less desirable as the exterior surface,

then becomes less conductive. Right.

Tough luck, panel. Hard luck, Pat.

No money for that one. You're still on ?700.

Yeah. But here comes your final picture question.

Let's see if you can get back on track with this.

Um, yeah, I'm going to go straight to the panel.

Let's see if our panel can sort this out. Panel, your debate starts now.

So, where are we in the world? Yeah.

OK, Rome. That's Rome, isn't it?

Yes. St Peter's is Rome. Bulgaria. This is...

I think I've been there, yeah. That's Barcelona.

Rome is further away than Barcelona. Yeah.

And, actually, Bulgaria is closer to...

Is it? Yeah, it is, isn't it? It's closer... Yes.

Yes, cos the flight... I've flown to Bulgaria.

It's actually not that long a flight. So, Rome, we think, is...

Rome is definitely further away than Spain, isn't it? Yes.

And then Barcelona. So, we want this down there. No... Yes, we do.

No, so we... I think Bulgaria's closer.

We think Bulgaria is the closest to St Paul's

and then do we think Rome is after that?

Has anyone got a map of Europe?

When you go round the South of France to Italy...

No, Rome's further away than Barcelona. OK, so Rome's down there?

Yes. Rome's a long way, isn't it? Yes. And so, we think...

That's definitely right, isn't it?

We think the answer is, after much debate, um,

Sophia, Sagrada and St Peter's.

So, Pat. It's a hard one.

I was thinking, obviously, Barcelona and Roma, the other way round.

But, on this instance, I'm going with the panel.

OK, you're going with the panel.

Hagia Sophia, Sagrada Familia, St Peter's Basilica.

Is that the correct order, for ?300?

It's the wrong order. Let's have a look at the correct order.

It's Sagrada Familia,

then St Peter's Basilica, then Hagia Sophia.

Sagrada Familia is in Barcelona,

which is around 710 miles from St Paul's Cathedral.

Then St Peter's Basilica is in Rome.

The distance, around 890 miles.

Hagia Sophia is in Istanbul in Turkey.

Oh, NOT right! No.

It is around 1,555 miles from London.

Sorry. There you go.

Totally wrong on every count.

We went all Bulgarian on you there.

So, I'm afraid nothing for that, panel.

We'll just have to pick ourselves back up and just get on with it.

OK, that's the spirit, Pat. That's the spirit. Well done, Pat.

At the end of Round 2, your prize pot is ?700.

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Still ?1,500 up for grabs, as we play Round 3.

OK, Pat, in Round 3, you'll face questions

that contain three statements about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one is true. OK. We need you to find the true statement.

?500 up for grabs for each correct answer. A possible ?1,500. Right.

Here's your first question.

Out of those three, I would go for C.

I'm sure there's an aeroplane, I think it's about five minutes.

It's a private airfield. I'm sure it's five minutes.

That just sticks in my mind. But, as usual, I'm going to ask the panel.

OK, you're veering towards C.

Panel, the true statement about Scotland. Your debate starts now.

What's its national animal? What is its national animal?

I always thought it was a lion on the flag... A lion...

Rather than a... Cos they have got like a red thing on the flag,

on the yellow and red flag, I'm thinking. Yeah.

I thought that was a lion.

Is it feasible that there is a kilt on the moon?

A few months ago,

one of the astronauts who'd been to the moon twice died. Yeah.

And we were covering it and speaking to some people

on BBC Breakfast who had been astronauts

and I was looking up some space facts

and I'm sure somebody took some tartan to the moon. OK.

I don't think it was a kilt. Oh.

And even if they did, I think they brought it back.

I think it's in a museum somewhere. Oh!

The world's shortest scheduled flight. Where would that be from?

A scheduled flight, so would that be going from, like, Prestwick to...?

I'm trying to think where...

You can do quite a few little short hops around Scotland, can't you?

Aberdeen to Wick, I've done. That's very short.

That's a tiny little plane. But the world's shortest scheduled flight.

I mean the WORLD'S. That's a big, big statement, isn't it? Yeah.

I'm beginning to doubt that.

I've just been in the Caribbean and just watching

the little inter-island planes. Of course, yeah.

I mean, literally, it's 15 minutes.

If Dan hadn't said to me that the kilt had been taken away...

Don't blame me again. ..I would have been so sure that...

Because Americans, if they have some kind of ancestry,

they are so very proud of it.

So, I could imagine, if an American went there, they would take a kilt.

You and I are veering towards the kilt on the moon. I think I...

OK, we've got to reach a decision.

And at the same time, I do wonder whether there's so much scope

for there to be a very short flight in Scotland. Yeah.

We are going to say that, um... What?

I don't know what we're going to say.

We're going to say that there's a Scottish kilt on the moon.

Don't do that! Ooh. Oh, no!

OK, so some pretty heated debate there from the panel.

Oh, God, B and C, B and C.

Um, obviously, the world's shortest flight -

that could mean anywhere, couldn't it?

So...I'm going to go for C. Oh! OK.

OK. They can't handle this. You've gone against the panel. Again.

You believe that Scotland has the world's shortest scheduled flight.

For ?500, Pat, the true statement is...

HE MOUTHS

Yay! APPLAUSE

Thank you. Very well done.

Very well played. It's true.

Scotland's national animal is considered to be the unicorn.

Oh, is it? Not the lion? No. The red dragon is the symbol of Wales. Yeah.

So, your mum would have been very upset, Dan, if you had picked that.

The route for the world's shortest scheduled flight

is between the Orkney Islands of Westray and Papa Westray. Oh.

The official journey time takes two minutes. Good Lord!

But, with a favourable wind, it can be completed in 47 seconds.

Amazing. That's amazing! And, Dan... Yes.

Alan Bean, an American astronaut of Scottish descent,

took a little piece of MacBean tartan up to the moon

on his Apollo 12 mission in 1969. Thank you, Google.

However, he took it back and he donated it

to the Clan MacBean and the St Bean Chapel in Perthshire.

Well done. So... That stuck in there.

To the moon and back. You got it right anyway.

I'm not sure I should say, "Well done, panel."

But well done, Pat. Yeah. ?500 into your prize pot.

You're up to ?1,200.

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Very well played, very well played. Here comes your next one.

Celebrities, yeah.

Um, I'm pushing towards Michael J Fox, if I'm honest.

But, again, let's see what the panel have to say.

OK, there appears to be something in Pat's head.

Let's see if our panel have anything on this one.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Does anybody have any concrete facts about this because...?

I've got one in the bag. Go on. I've interviewed Mr Jackson.

I'm sure his name is Samuel Leroy Jackson. OK. Sounds plausible.

Sounds right. Is she not called Joanne Katherine Rowling?

I don't know. Do we know what the K is? I don't... Is it Joanne?

She's a Jo, isn't she, or a Joanne? Jo.

Michael J Fox.

Michael Andrew Fox. I think JK Rowling...

It feels like that was her name. I think we'd have heard it as well.

Yes. She's one of the most famous women in the world. Yeah.

And it must be a regular quiz question. And she's also very...

Surely one of us would have heard that her name was Lily,

her actual, real name. Yeah.

I've never thought of JK Rowling as ever being a pen name that she...

As far as I was concerned,

she wrote those books in a cafe and was quite unassuming.

Then one just happened to take off. And I don't think that it was...

I don't...

What would Michael J Fox's reason be for not being Michael A Fox?

Michael A Fox. Michael, A Fox. Perhaps he didn't like that.

Michael J Fox. Michael J Fox. It sounds better, doesn't it?

It's got a bit more pump to it, doesn't it? Yeah, it does, it does.

Back To The Future with Michael J Fox.

OK, I think we're ready to roll on this.

Based on pure frippery... Yes. ..and nonsense, we're going...

Frippery and nonsense!

..for Michael J Fox.

OK, a little bit of knowledge in there. Yeah.

And a little bit of frippery.

I'm going to stick with A, Michael J Fox.

OK, you're sticking with your first thought. All in agreement.

For ?500, the correct statement is...

It is! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

DAN: Well done, Grace. PAT: Thanks, guys. Good.

Well done.

It really gets you, this game. It really gets you.

It's because we care, Patrick, it's because we care.

We care so much, Pat. Thank you. Very well done, panel.

Michael J Fox started using an initial

to differentiate himself from another actor named Michael Fox,

and didn't like the play on words that Michael A Fox leant itself to.

Joanne Rowling, better known by her initials JK,

doesn't have a middle name, according to her birth certificate.

The K stands for Kathleen, which is her paternal grandmother's name.

She actually added it after it was decided

that a book by an obviously female author may not appeal to young boys.

Samuel L Jackson's middle name - Leroy.

Is he a Leroy? Good. He is a Leroy.

Well done, panel. Well done, Pat. Another ?500 into your prize pot.

You're up to ?1,700.

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Your final chance to add to it.

Another ?500 up for grabs with this one.

The one that's jumping out at me is B -

women replaced men in Major League Baseball

during World War II. Something in my head...

Japanese team, no. Mentioned in a Jane Austen novel... Don't think so.

Um, panel, please. OK, panel, let's see if you can add anything to this.

Your debate starts now.

That's tough, isn't it? Have you seen the film with Tom Hanks

called A League Of Their Own with Madonna and...

Is that not about women having,

women having to step up and learn how to play baseball?

During the war? Yes. That's a brilliant fact.

It would certainly make sense. That's brilliant, Grace.

But it's also feasible

that the Jane Austen's books are always about her

trying to fix the character, trying to fix someone up

with a marriage with someone who's got a lot of money,

so that's when an American could come in.

I wouldn't have thought baseball was around

in Jane Austen's time. Again, that's the other thing.

It strikes me as a fairly modern sport.

But is baseball not just glorified rounders?

How dare you? Rounders probably WAS around, that's probably true.

But I can't imagine Mr Darcy, you know,

doing whatever you do in baseball.

The Japanese thing - I can't work out whether that is...

I want to just dismiss that out of hand,

but they do play baseball in Japan. They do, yeah.

But winning the first World Series... Why would...?

Cos Americans, they're so...

They call it the World Series, even though it's not a world sport.

It's basically American teams take part, isn't it? Yeah.

Maybe you could say that's why... I wish I knew more about baseball.

That's why it's called the World Series

cos it started as America against Japan? I don't know.

But I feel like we could throw that one away. I agree.

I think you've got so many facts there, it's got to be true.

Gracie says - and we're going with it -

that women replaced men

in the Major League Baseball

during World War II. How much is this for?

?500. Oh, God! And your reputation. PAT: It's all right.

So, Pat. Yes.

Well, Grace, I mean, that was great, mentioning the movie.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with B, to be honest with you. OK.

This was your first thought.

Based on Grace's movie knowledge, the panel have also gone with B.

For ?500, did women replace men

in Major League Baseball during the Second World War?

No! Oh, no! What?

That's ridiculous! It is mentioned in a Jane Austen novel. No way! Oh!

In the opening paragraph

of Jane Austen's Northanger Abbey,

the heroine is described as preferring cricket,

baseball and riding on horseback to reading books.

Despite its name, the only other country, apart from the US,

that has competed in the World Series is Canada.

Japan won the first World Baseball Classic,

an international baseball tournament, in 2006,

but never a World Series, which has been contested since 1903.

Major League Baseball continued during World War II

with men who were not drafted,

although a separate league, created for women,

was popular during the war and post-war years

and that is where the movie is based on.

I can't take any more. So close. I can't.

I give up. That's knocked the stuffing out of everybody.

Such tough luck there, panel. Tough luck, Pat.

It means, at the end of Round 3, your prize pot is ?1,700.

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It's still a decent amount. It certainly is

and, Grace, you did really well. Pat, I'm broken.

Don't be nice to me. I'm broken!

Pat, there is only one question between you and that money.

It is the Final Debate. Yeah. Six possible answers.

Only three of them are correct. We need you to get all three.

However, you are not on your own.

You will choose one of our intelligentsia

to help you in this task.

So, based on their performances today, Pat,

who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Will you go for a home run with Grace?

Will you butter Jennie's parsnips?

Or will it be our very own BFG, Dan?

Well, Patrick, the panel's been great today. Thanks, guys.

But it's going to have to be Dan the Man.

Dan, please join us for the Final Debate.

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OK, Dan, Pat has chosen you because you are Dan the Man.

Feeling confident?

As a panel, I think we've questioned our knowledge now.

If it's Bulgaria, I think you're on your own again.

Yeah, I'm hoping it's football, you know, but we'll see.

OK, because it is the Final Debate, Pat,

you get to choose from two categories. Have a look at this.

Chat it through with Dan. Tell me what you fancy.

What's your art knowledge like? Mine's not up there. Oh, shocking.

Let me think. Place Names?

If you gave me a choice, I'd go Place Names,

but I want to do whatever you feel more comfortable with.

Artists, no way. OK. My mum's an artist, but, yeah.

We're going to go with Place Names. OK.

OK, Place Names. Yeah. Here we go. ?1,700 up for grabs.

45 seconds on the clock. Six possible answers.

Three of them are correct. We need them all, Pat. Right. Best of luck.

Here we go. OK. Here's your Final Debate question on Place Names.

Your time starts now. Right, Pity Me is in Durham. I've heard of that.

So, that's definitely one.

You get, like, Great Snoring, Little Snoring, all those. That sounds...

That's it, yeah, yeah. Giggleswick, Great Snoring...

Rough And Ready doesn't sound right, does it?

No, no, out the window. Let's get rid of that one. What about No Name?

Place with no name, man with no name. I don't know.

It doesn't stand out to me. Boring? Boring. I live at Boring.

I live at Boring. I live in Great Snoring. I live in Giggleswick.

Giggleswick sounds... Giggleswick, yeah. 15 seconds.

Pity Me, Giggleswick and Great Snoring, Boring -

it's between those two. You have a pick.

We haven't got much time left, so...

Pity Me, we know for sure. Yes. Giggleswick, we're going to go with.

Yes, we are. So... Great Snoring, Boring... I'm from Boring.

I'm from Great Snoring. Your choice.

Pat, three answers now, please.

Yes, we'll have Pity Me, Giggleswick and Great Snoring.

Come on, we need a hug. We need it. We need it, man.

OK, guys, it wasn't the category you wanted. No.

But you've given me three answers. We need all of them to be correct

for you to take home the ?1,700, Pat.

Here we go. The first one, you were pretty sure of.

You think it's in Durham. Yeah. Is Pity Me in the UK?

Go green.

It is! OK. Good start. APPLAUSE

And it is in Durham. Yes.

We then move on to Giggleswick.

Not so sure on this one, but you think it sounded like a village.

If it is, you're still in the game for ?1,700.

If it's wrong, you do leave with nothing.

Is Giggleswick a village in the UK?

It sounds good. Grannies walking around. Yeah. Where do you live?

Giggleswick. Got a post office? Course we have.

Yes! It is! APPLAUSE

I'm happy with that. Yeah, we'll take that.

Giggleswick is a village in North Yorkshire.

And so it comes down to Great Snoring or Boring.

You weren't sure on this.

You went back and forward a couple of times... Yeah.

..between Boring and Great Snoring. You've gone for Great Snoring.

I wanted to leave you with that final choice.

I'd have gone the same as you. Right.

It's not like I could have changed your mind. OK.

I think Great Snoring sounds like a little...

I can see the square, people playing cricket... Yes. Little pub.

Woman on her Zimmer frame. Oh, there she is. She's there.

But does she live in Great Snoring? LAUGHTER

You've talked a very good game, but is it correct?

Fingers crossed, Pat. We wish you all the best on this. Come on.

Come on. Come on.

For ?1,700, is Great Snoring a village found in the UK?

It's got to be! Come on, please. Please.

Come on.

Yes! Yes! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Well done. Very well played.

Well done, Dan.

Pat, you've just won ?1,700.

APPLAUSE Cheers, thank you.

Great Snoring is in north Norfolk.

The other three answers - they are all places, but they're in America.

Very well done. Give it up one more time for Pat.

APPLAUSE Well done. Great stuff. And Dan.

And Dan. That is it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

To Dan Walker, to Jennie Bond and Grace Dent.

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

That is our last show of the series. Thanks for joining us.

We'll see you soon for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.

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