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APPLAUSE

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Hello and welcome to Debatable

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where, today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions

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to try to walk away with a jackpot of over ?3,000.

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But they're not on their own.

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They will have a panel of well-known faces,

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debating their way to the answers. Will they be able to talk the talk?

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As always, that's debatable. So, let's meet them.

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Straight talking today,

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we have writer and journalist Grace Dent,

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we have former royal correspondent Jennie Bond

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and broadcaster Dan Walker.

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APPLAUSE

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Jennie, it is a crack commando team.

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It is a highly qualified team for this task. Well, three journalists.

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We all know... Something. Yes. A little about a lot. Yes.

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What little do you know about a lot?

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Well, I suppose, oh, I ought to know stuff about European literature.

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I did a degree in French and European literature,

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but I seem to have forgotten nearly all of that.

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That's my problem - memory, really. But I'm avid about current affairs,

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so I've got a smattering of most things.

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Now, Grace. Yes. Your course, degree in literature. Yes.

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Do you remember any of that? I do, actually.

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I think that that has been quite a useful degree

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because I have to write and write and write every day

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for newspapers and it's amazing where that comes in, it really is.

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What did you study, Dan? You've got two degrees, is that right?

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I've got a history degree

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and another degree in broadcast journalism,

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so bit of double bubble going on.

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My mum used to teach first aid, so I can do a bit of first aid.

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We like that. Grace has actually got my favourite ever qualification.

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Oh, yeah. Grace is qualified to judge barbecues. How cool is that?

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At an international level. What do you mean, at an international level?

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Well, I can do it in America, I can do it in the Caribbean.

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You know barbecuing is a serious business.

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I don't just turn up at your house and judge you, you know,

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when you're trying to have a nice Saturday. I'd quite like that.

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So, what happens is, you sit down and there'll be a time span

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and people keep bringing you plates of meat

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and you have a piece and then you put the judging thing down.

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This seems like the greatest job in the world.

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It is until about the fifth dish and then you start to sweat.

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But if you are having a barbecue,

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give me a shout and I'll come round and judge you.

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OK, so your checking my meat, not my buns.

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LAUGHTER

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OK, guys, that is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

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It is Pat from Sunderland.

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APPLAUSE

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Pat, meet Pat. Pat, meet Pat. Yeah, two Patricks. How you doing?

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I'm very well, thank you. Tell us a bit about yourself.

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I'm Pat from Sunderland. I'm a student landlord.

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I own a couple of Victorian properties. Whoa, hang on.

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You are a student landlord. Yes. You are a very brave soul.

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Yes, I've had some horrible animals through my front door,

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unfortunately, if I'm allowed to say that.

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You ARE allowed to say that, yeah.

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Very messy, drunk and all of that jazz. It's, oh, terrible.

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So, you vet the students? How does it work? Usually, yeah.

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It's an interview, you know. OK.

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Sit them down and ask what their intentions are. Intentions?

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Intentions? What are your intentions towards my house?

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What do you make of today's panel? Very strong. Mm.

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Very beautiful. Oh.

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Yes, yes. You old sweet talker, Pat.

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I think they're going to do a good job for me.

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They are going to do a good job. OK, you have to pay close attention

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because you can only choose one of them

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for the Final Debate today. Ready to play? I'm ready.

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OK, best of luck. Thank you. Let's play Round 1.

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Round 1 is multiple choice.

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Four possible answers, only one is correct.

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Four questions in this round. ?200 for each correct answer.

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?800 in total. Here we go.

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Let's see if you can get off the mark with this one.

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Um, I'm going to go for beans, possibly,

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but I'd like to hear what the panel say.

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You're thinking beans. Panel, can you sort this out for us?

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Fine words butter no what? Your debate starts now.

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Butter beans. I can see where you're coming from. Butter beans.

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Of those four, I'm sure I've heard the phrase...

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Have you heard the phrase "Butter no parsnips"? See, I think I have.

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And also, aren't parsnips the thing out of that

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that need the most butter?

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I don't know about that. Is that your food critic knowledge?

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As a food critic, I would say that, out of all of those things,

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the one thing that you couldn't eat without some kind of oil would be...

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What about a baked potato though? You've got to pour some...

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You need something on that. Parsnips are particularly dry.

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But I wonder where the phrase comes from

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cos we've all heard the phrase, I think. Yeah. Is it not religious?

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Does it not come from some religious leader said it? Really?

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We talk about... This comes from... Like Augustine, something like that?

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Yeah, I think I did this during my A level in history,

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but I did 16th century European history.

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This was a long time ago though.

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But I think it's parsnips. Like you say, butter beans is...

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Kind of word association.

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Butter no carrots sounds completely, wrong, doesn't it?

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I'm sure, like the rest...

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I think I've definitely heard "Butter no parsnips".

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I think "Butter no parsnips" is the phrase.

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I've never heard the other ones. No.

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No. I think we are actually united on that. Yeah.

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We all seem to have hard the phrase,

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so we're definitely going to go for "Butter no parsnips".

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OK, some vague knowledge from school there from Grace.

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Yes, I was going off what Jennie said with "Butter no beans",

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but I'm being swayed, if I'm honest. I can tell. Yeah, yeah.

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Um, yes, I'm going to go for parsnips as well.

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OK, you're going with the panel. I'm going with the panel.

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OK, panel, absolutely no pressure.

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To get Pat off the mark, is parsnips the correct answer, for ?200?

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It is.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Well done, guys.

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Very well played, Pat. Thank you.

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Brewer's Dictionary defines its meaning

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as "Mere words are not enough to rectify the situation". Ah.

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Which means, "Thank the Lord that you got that right

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"cos you cannot talk your way out of it." Yeah.

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The phrase in English dates back to at least the 1630s. Wow.

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Well played, Grace. Well done, panel. Well played, Pat.

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You're up and running. ?200 in the prize pot. Thank you.

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APPLAUSE

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Here comes your next one.

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It sounds like something Lily Allen would say

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but, again, I'd rather go to the panel and see what they say.

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OK, panel, can we sort this out for Pat? Your debate starts now.

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What do you reckon? I... I know who I thought it was right away.

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Mm, same here.

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Because the person who would have said this also was positive

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about Margaret Thatcher in the height of her fame

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and that would be Geri Halliwell. Mm-hmm. However, Adele...

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I don't think Adele would say that.

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She always says she never gets involved in politics.

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She's quite guarded. She'd be left-wing, though.

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Yes, and Lily Allen is very, very left-wing.

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Didn't the Spice Girls, in their prime, say...?

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Yeah, she was like a hero. What did they call her?

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She was the ultimate power... Ultimate source of girl power, yeah.

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There's Geri in her Union Jack, sort of patriotism. Yeah.

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Lulu? I don't know about Lulu. You see, if...

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I can't think of any reason... Lulu doesn't give a lot away

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about her politics, but I don't know if she has a Twitter account.

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Have you ever seen or heard Lulu twitter? No.

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Also, if you imagine, of those,

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the only one I can actually visualise saying that

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would be Geri Halliwell. Yeah.

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Yeah, and Lulu, I couldn't imagine suddenly saying that

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and knowing it was quite a controversial thing to say.

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I think we've concluded, haven't we? Are we going with Geri? Yeah. We...

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Yeah, let's go Spice. Spice it up. Yeah, we've decided to go Spicy.

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We thing the lady in question is Geri Halliwell.

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OK, Pat. This panel are fantastic. DAN: We're not right yet!

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They're every convincing, Pat. They're very convincing, yes.

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Sell snow to Eskimos, I think. Yeah, Lulu, I haven't seen her on Twitter.

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I'm a big Twitter account user. Lily Allen, obviously left-wing.

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I'm going to go with Geri Halliwell. Yeah.

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You're going with the panel. Was it Geri Halliwell, for ?200?

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HE MOUTHS

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It was! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Very well done. Love it! Well done, guys. Thank you.

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Yes, it was Geri Halliwell who tweeted

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"A greengrocer's daughter, who taught me anything is possible".

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She later deleted the tweet and then went on the record

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as saying that she regretted deleting it. OK. Oh.

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She had already expressed her admiration for Margaret Thatcher

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in the Spice Girls' heyday.

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Very well done, panel. Very well done, Pat. You're up to ?400.

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Thank you. APPLAUSE

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Here's your next question.

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"Is NOT a name given..." I'm either going to go for Utility or Hound.

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I'm going to have to ask the panel again.

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OK, I'm sure the panel will be able to sort this out for you.

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Your debate starts now.

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Anyone been to Crufts? No, I've never Crufted it up, have you?

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I love dogs and I love Crufts.

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That is so tough, because they all sound perfectly feasible.

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The Toy Group, I can see that.

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Toy poodles, I can see that. Yeah.

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That would work, wouldn't it? The Hound Group, I can see that.

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Now, Utility - is that not dogs that do a specific thing?

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Some dogs are very useful and need a job, like, um, sheepdogs.

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Every day, they're at the door, wanting to do something.

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So you would go Agility, rather than Utility? I don't know whether...

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I think Agility is just... Too wide. It's too wide.

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I thought Agility would be more

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when they have the fly ball kind of races. Yeah.

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But that's more like a competition,

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where you have Best In Show.

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So your question, is it a breed, an Agility Group? Yes.

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That's a good point. But then Utility... Utility...

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They'd all be different kinds of breeds, wouldn't they? Yes.

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Why would there be a breed of dog called an Agility dog?

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Is there a certain breed of dog that is particularly agile?

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Belgian Shepherd. We have one and he was bred for agility.

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So, we think Toy Group exists, we think Hound Group exists. Yes.

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So, we're not sure about Agility and Utility. Yes, the Toy category.

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Yeah. In both categories, I think we're saying

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there could be various breeds in both categories. Yeah.

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I... I veer towards Utility not existing.

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That Utility doesn't exist. But I don't know.

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If I push you, which category would you rule out?

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Oh. You know, which one?

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OK, um, I actually like Grace's line of argument, so I would go with...

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Yeah. Agility? Yes. We're going to say that doesn't exist? Yes.

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Agility doesn't exist? Yes. OK, we've got a decision here.

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Oh, God... With not a great deal of belief... Sorry, Pat.

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..we're going to say that Agility is the answer to this.

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OK. Well, in the beginning, I said Utility Group or Hound Group.

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The panel don't really know, not 100%. Mm.

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I'm not 100%, but I'm going to stick with my gut

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and go for Utility. OK, you're sticking with your gut. Yes.

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You're going against the panel, Pat. They said Agility Group.

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You're going for Utility Group.

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Which group is not at Crufts?

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It WAS Agility Group. Oh! Grace, Pat.

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It was such a hard answer, really, wasn't it? DAN: We weren't sure.

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We weren't sure, so one of those things.

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There is an agility competition, Grace. You were right.

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You were right. But it is not the name of a group judged at Crufts.

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So, tough luck on that one. No money for that, Pat. Yeah.

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You're still on ?400. Let's see if you can get back on track.

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I'm being swayed towards Charlie And The Chocolate Factory

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or James And The Giant Peach. I read them all as a child.

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My mum would sit next to my bed and go through it all.

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But, again, I'm going to ask the panel.

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OK, panel, any knowledge you can bring to this?

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Your debate starts now.

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We've all read them and read them to our children, I think,

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but they just all seem to have been around forever.

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In about 1977,

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I can remember reading... Charlie And The Chocolate Factory was around

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and then I went straight to read James And The Giant Peach

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and I read Danny and a few of the others,

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but I don't remember the BFG and Matilda being around

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for...till the '80s or the '90s.

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I definitely did James And The Giant Peach at school. Yeah.

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I did it as a, like a school productiony thing as well,

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but that's of no significance

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because the others might have been around at the same time.

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Had you read Charlie And The Chocolate Factory at that point?

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Yes, I'd read Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. You had read it.

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And I'd seen it as the original film as well.

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Charlie seems, for some reason, the original and the earliest

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and, if you think about the first film with Gene Wilder,

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that's a very old film. Yeah.

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But what about James And The Giant Peach?

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James And The Giant Peach is quite surreal

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and quite a strange book, isn't it?

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It's quite dark, isn't it, in comparison?

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Whereas Charlie And The Chocolate Factory really feels like a book

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that's got a whole lot more plot and more characters and it's more...

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And I can't work out whether that means

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he wrote Charlie And The Chocolate Factory first

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and then James And The Giant Peach was

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like his difficult third or fourth book.

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My feeling is Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

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OK, and that's your feeling too. That's my feeling as well.

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I'm a bit torn between that and James And The Giant Peach

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but we are definitely going to say the answer is almost certainly

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Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

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So, the panel not quite sure on this one, Pat,

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but they are drawn to Charlie And The Chocolate Factory.

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Yeah, I think it's a good choice.

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Yeah, I'm going to go with the panel again.

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Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. It's a hard one, guys.

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DAN: It's a toughie, that. OK, it IS a toughie.

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You're back with the panel for this one.

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Let's see if we can get you back on track.

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Was Charlie And The Chocolate Factory published first, for ?200?

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PANEL GROAN

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You were so close, guys. I'm sorry, Pat.

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James And The Giant Peach was published in 1961,

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Charlie And The Chocolate Factory in '64.

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The BFG wasn't published until the 1980s.

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You were right about that, Grace.

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And then Matilda, not until 1988.

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Nothing for that question, Pat.

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It means, at the end of Round 1, you're still on ?400.

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That's all right. APPLAUSE

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Couple of rounds still to go

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before you have to choose who plays the final debate with you.

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Let's see how our panel are on pictures. It's time for Round 2.

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OK, Pat, Round 2 is the picture round.

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We need you to put three pictures in the correct order.

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Three questions in this round, ?300 for each correct answer.

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A possible ?900 up for grabs. OK. Here comes your first one.

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Oh! Yeah, that's a horrible one, isn't it? It's a tricky one.

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Very tricky. Um, I'm going to go straight to the panel for this.

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I think it's very wise, Pat. Panel, your debate starts now.

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Gosh. Come on, we can work this out. We can work this out.

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OK, who knows anything about Welsh? My mum is Welsh. Oh, right.

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My mum didn't speak English until she was 16 and, in our family,

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one of the little things she always throws in

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is that Welsh is better than English

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because there's more letters in the alphabet.

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It's about 28, 29, I think, in Welsh.

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Because they've got the old double F and all that.

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Exactly, yes, they double up everything, don't they? Yeah.

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Do you think that sometimes,

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when you're trying to work out that alphabet

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and you're driving through Crete or something,

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one letter sometimes does for two of ours.

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Yeah, and it's like...

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We would have "TH" or something and they would just have a symbol.

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So, they would have fewer. So, there's fewer in Greek.

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They might have fewer. I've got a feeling... They have loads.

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There's stacks in Russian, well into the 30s. Yes. Happy with that there?

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Really? I thought the Welsh language should go up there but you think...?

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I don't know where it's floating around

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but I think there's loads in Russian.

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Oh, well, you're usually right with your float...with your floaters.

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LAUGHTER

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Jennie Bond, thank you. So, are we leaving them as they are?

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Right. I'm convinced this has got a lot. OK. Yes.

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Well, yeah, he's convinced. I'm going to go with the man.

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Dan's the man, so...

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So, we are saying the fewest Greek, then Welsh and Russian the most.

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So, drawing on his ancestry... Yeah, Dan the Man.

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..and a bit of a punt, they're going for Modern Greek,

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then Welsh, then Modern Russian. OK, I'm going to go with the panel.

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OK, you're going with the panel.

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For ?300, to prevent shame on the Walker family,

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is that the correct order?

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Yes! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Well done! He's good!

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Thanks, Dan. Very well done indeed.

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Modern Greek has 24 characters,

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Welsh has 28 characters, or 29, if J is included.

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Ah, right. J isn't generally used in Welsh.

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It only appears in words borrowed from other languages. Oh.

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So, 28, 29 - you were bang-on with that. Modern Russian, 33 characters.

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That many? OK. Very well worked out, panel. Very well done. Great.

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Another ?300 into your prize pot. Pat, you're up to ?700. Thank you.

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APPLAUSE

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Here comes your next picture question.

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Straightaway, starting with the least, would be aluminium,

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then copper, then gold.

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I like my TVs and HDMIs and everything like that

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and I know the gold ones are really expensive,

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so that's what I'm going off.

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OK, you're working off your HDMI cables at home.

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Panel, can you bring anything to this? Your debate starts now.

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Aluminium, copper, gold, do you think?

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Aluminium, copper, then gold. Were the least.

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And he said it with real conviction. Yeah. You did.

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And he threw the HDMI cable in there, which was very impressive.

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Yeah. Copper obviously conducts a lot of electricity, doesn't it?

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Yeah. Cos cables, a lot of copper cables. What order did you say?

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Aluminium... Aluminium. Shall we put it in...? He said.

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Aluminium, copper, gold. Copper, gold... Yeah.

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OK, come on, let's work this out.

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Even though we're not scientists, let's work this out.

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Who's going to start? LAUGHTER

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I don't know. How does gold conduct electricity? Gold... Pat is right.

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A gold HDMI cable is the most expensive one you can get.

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I had no idea you could.

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I would absolutely have to bow to Pat's knowledge on this.

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I'm floundering. Like you say, copper - lots of wiring is...

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Yeah, exactly. Yes. ..is copper.

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Is that just because it's less expensive than...?

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Is gold better at that but not used because it's so expensive

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and copper's like the cheap version? I don't...

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I'm astonished that gold even conducts electricity.

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I'm talking myself into all sorts of holes here.

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It's very rare that I'm quiet and I think that we should all enjoy that.

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LAUGHTER

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OK, well, I think we're done on this.

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I think that we're going to go absolutely with Pat

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and it's aluminium, copper, gold,

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based on our ignorance and your knowledge.

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So, anything from the panel there to add to your own knowledge?

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Not really, but, yeah, I'm just going to stick with that.

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Aluminium, copper, gold. Fingers crossed.

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OK, you're going with the panel -

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or, should I say, the panel's going with you.

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For ?300, is that the correct order?

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It's the wrong order. No.

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Let's have a look at the correct order.

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It's aluminium, then gold, then copper.

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I think the HDMI cables may have thrown you.

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I think it did, yeah.

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And, obviously, the panel didn't give me much back,

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so we just went off what I said.

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He's getting a bit personal now. LAUGHTER

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So, the most electrically conductive element is silver.

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Although silver is the best conductor,

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copper and gold are used more in electrical appliances

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because copper is less expensive

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and gold has a higher corrosive resistance than silver.

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Silver tarnishes.

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That makes it less desirable as the exterior surface,

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then becomes less conductive. Right.

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Tough luck, panel. Hard luck, Pat.

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No money for that one. You're still on ?700.

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Yeah. But here comes your final picture question.

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Let's see if you can get back on track with this.

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Um, yeah, I'm going to go straight to the panel.

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Let's see if our panel can sort this out. Panel, your debate starts now.

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So, where are we in the world? Yeah.

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OK, Rome. That's Rome, isn't it?

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Yes. St Peter's is Rome. Bulgaria. This is...

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I think I've been there, yeah. That's Barcelona.

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Rome is further away than Barcelona. Yeah.

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And, actually, Bulgaria is closer to...

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Is it? Yeah, it is, isn't it? It's closer... Yes.

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Yes, cos the flight... I've flown to Bulgaria.

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It's actually not that long a flight. So, Rome, we think, is...

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Rome is definitely further away than Spain, isn't it? Yes.

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And then Barcelona. So, we want this down there. No... Yes, we do.

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No, so we... I think Bulgaria's closer.

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We think Bulgaria is the closest to St Paul's

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and then do we think Rome is after that?

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Has anyone got a map of Europe?

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When you go round the South of France to Italy...

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No, Rome's further away than Barcelona. OK, so Rome's down there?

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Yes. Rome's a long way, isn't it? Yes. And so, we think...

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That's definitely right, isn't it?

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We think the answer is, after much debate, um,

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Sophia, Sagrada and St Peter's.

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So, Pat. It's a hard one.

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I was thinking, obviously, Barcelona and Roma, the other way round.

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But, on this instance, I'm going with the panel.

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OK, you're going with the panel.

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Hagia Sophia, Sagrada Familia, St Peter's Basilica.

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Is that the correct order, for ?300?

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It's the wrong order. Let's have a look at the correct order.

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It's Sagrada Familia,

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then St Peter's Basilica, then Hagia Sophia.

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Sagrada Familia is in Barcelona,

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which is around 710 miles from St Paul's Cathedral.

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Then St Peter's Basilica is in Rome.

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The distance, around 890 miles.

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Hagia Sophia is in Istanbul in Turkey.

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Oh, NOT right! No.

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It is around 1,555 miles from London.

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Sorry. There you go.

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Totally wrong on every count.

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We went all Bulgarian on you there.

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So, I'm afraid nothing for that, panel.

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We'll just have to pick ourselves back up and just get on with it.

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OK, that's the spirit, Pat. That's the spirit. Well done, Pat.

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At the end of Round 2, your prize pot is ?700.

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APPLAUSE

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Still ?1,500 up for grabs, as we play Round 3.

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OK, Pat, in Round 3, you'll face questions

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that contain three statements about a person, a place or a thing.

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Only one is true. OK. We need you to find the true statement.

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?500 up for grabs for each correct answer. A possible ?1,500. Right.

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Here's your first question.

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Out of those three, I would go for C.

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I'm sure there's an aeroplane, I think it's about five minutes.

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It's a private airfield. I'm sure it's five minutes.

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That just sticks in my mind. But, as usual, I'm going to ask the panel.

0:26:150:26:20

OK, you're veering towards C.

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Panel, the true statement about Scotland. Your debate starts now.

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What's its national animal? What is its national animal?

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I always thought it was a lion on the flag... A lion...

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Rather than a... Cos they have got like a red thing on the flag,

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on the yellow and red flag, I'm thinking. Yeah.

0:26:350:26:38

I thought that was a lion.

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Is it feasible that there is a kilt on the moon?

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A few months ago,

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one of the astronauts who'd been to the moon twice died. Yeah.

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And we were covering it and speaking to some people

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on BBC Breakfast who had been astronauts

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and I was looking up some space facts

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and I'm sure somebody took some tartan to the moon. OK.

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I don't think it was a kilt. Oh.

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And even if they did, I think they brought it back.

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I think it's in a museum somewhere. Oh!

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The world's shortest scheduled flight. Where would that be from?

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A scheduled flight, so would that be going from, like, Prestwick to...?

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I'm trying to think where...

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You can do quite a few little short hops around Scotland, can't you?

0:27:170:27:20

Aberdeen to Wick, I've done. That's very short.

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That's a tiny little plane. But the world's shortest scheduled flight.

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I mean the WORLD'S. That's a big, big statement, isn't it? Yeah.

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I'm beginning to doubt that.

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I've just been in the Caribbean and just watching

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the little inter-island planes. Of course, yeah.

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I mean, literally, it's 15 minutes.

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If Dan hadn't said to me that the kilt had been taken away...

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Don't blame me again. ..I would have been so sure that...

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Because Americans, if they have some kind of ancestry,

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they are so very proud of it.

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So, I could imagine, if an American went there, they would take a kilt.

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You and I are veering towards the kilt on the moon. I think I...

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OK, we've got to reach a decision.

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And at the same time, I do wonder whether there's so much scope

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for there to be a very short flight in Scotland. Yeah.

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We are going to say that, um... What?

0:28:070:28:10

I don't know what we're going to say.

0:28:100:28:12

We're going to say that there's a Scottish kilt on the moon.

0:28:120:28:15

Don't do that! Ooh. Oh, no!

0:28:150:28:19

OK, so some pretty heated debate there from the panel.

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Oh, God, B and C, B and C.

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Um, obviously, the world's shortest flight -

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that could mean anywhere, couldn't it?

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So...I'm going to go for C. Oh! OK.

0:28:310:28:36

OK. They can't handle this. You've gone against the panel. Again.

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You believe that Scotland has the world's shortest scheduled flight.

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For ?500, Pat, the true statement is...

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HE MOUTHS

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Yay! APPLAUSE

0:29:020:29:06

Thank you. Very well done.

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Very well played. It's true.

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Scotland's national animal is considered to be the unicorn.

0:29:120:29:15

Oh, is it? Not the lion? No. The red dragon is the symbol of Wales. Yeah.

0:29:150:29:20

So, your mum would have been very upset, Dan, if you had picked that.

0:29:200:29:23

The route for the world's shortest scheduled flight

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is between the Orkney Islands of Westray and Papa Westray. Oh.

0:29:260:29:30

The official journey time takes two minutes. Good Lord!

0:29:300:29:34

But, with a favourable wind, it can be completed in 47 seconds.

0:29:340:29:37

Amazing. That's amazing! And, Dan... Yes.

0:29:370:29:42

Alan Bean, an American astronaut of Scottish descent,

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took a little piece of MacBean tartan up to the moon

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on his Apollo 12 mission in 1969. Thank you, Google.

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However, he took it back and he donated it

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to the Clan MacBean and the St Bean Chapel in Perthshire.

0:29:570:30:01

Well done. So... That stuck in there.

0:30:010:30:04

To the moon and back. You got it right anyway.

0:30:040:30:10

I'm not sure I should say, "Well done, panel."

0:30:100:30:12

But well done, Pat. Yeah. ?500 into your prize pot.

0:30:120:30:15

You're up to ?1,200.

0:30:150:30:16

APPLAUSE

0:30:160:30:19

Very well played, very well played. Here comes your next one.

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Celebrities, yeah.

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Um, I'm pushing towards Michael J Fox, if I'm honest.

0:30:470:30:50

But, again, let's see what the panel have to say.

0:30:520:30:55

OK, there appears to be something in Pat's head.

0:30:550:30:57

Let's see if our panel have anything on this one.

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Panel, your debate starts now.

0:30:590:31:01

Does anybody have any concrete facts about this because...?

0:31:010:31:05

I've got one in the bag. Go on. I've interviewed Mr Jackson.

0:31:050:31:09

I'm sure his name is Samuel Leroy Jackson. OK. Sounds plausible.

0:31:090:31:13

Sounds right. Is she not called Joanne Katherine Rowling?

0:31:130:31:18

I don't know. Do we know what the K is? I don't... Is it Joanne?

0:31:200:31:24

She's a Jo, isn't she, or a Joanne? Jo.

0:31:240:31:27

Michael J Fox.

0:31:270:31:29

Michael Andrew Fox. I think JK Rowling...

0:31:290:31:33

It feels like that was her name. I think we'd have heard it as well.

0:31:330:31:36

Yes. She's one of the most famous women in the world. Yeah.

0:31:360:31:39

And it must be a regular quiz question. And she's also very...

0:31:390:31:43

Surely one of us would have heard that her name was Lily,

0:31:430:31:46

her actual, real name. Yeah.

0:31:460:31:48

I've never thought of JK Rowling as ever being a pen name that she...

0:31:480:31:52

As far as I was concerned,

0:31:520:31:54

she wrote those books in a cafe and was quite unassuming.

0:31:540:31:58

Then one just happened to take off. And I don't think that it was...

0:31:580:32:02

I don't...

0:32:020:32:03

What would Michael J Fox's reason be for not being Michael A Fox?

0:32:030:32:08

Michael A Fox. Michael, A Fox. Perhaps he didn't like that.

0:32:080:32:11

Michael J Fox. Michael J Fox. It sounds better, doesn't it?

0:32:110:32:14

It's got a bit more pump to it, doesn't it? Yeah, it does, it does.

0:32:140:32:17

Back To The Future with Michael J Fox.

0:32:170:32:20

OK, I think we're ready to roll on this.

0:32:200:32:22

Based on pure frippery... Yes. ..and nonsense, we're going...

0:32:230:32:27

Frippery and nonsense!

0:32:270:32:29

..for Michael J Fox.

0:32:290:32:32

OK, a little bit of knowledge in there. Yeah.

0:32:320:32:34

And a little bit of frippery.

0:32:340:32:36

I'm going to stick with A, Michael J Fox.

0:32:360:32:38

OK, you're sticking with your first thought. All in agreement.

0:32:380:32:42

For ?500, the correct statement is...

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It is! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:32:500:32:53

DAN: Well done, Grace. PAT: Thanks, guys. Good.

0:32:530:32:55

Well done.

0:32:550:32:57

It really gets you, this game. It really gets you.

0:32:570:33:00

It's because we care, Patrick, it's because we care.

0:33:000:33:02

We care so much, Pat. Thank you. Very well done, panel.

0:33:020:33:05

Michael J Fox started using an initial

0:33:050:33:08

to differentiate himself from another actor named Michael Fox,

0:33:080:33:13

and didn't like the play on words that Michael A Fox leant itself to.

0:33:130:33:18

Joanne Rowling, better known by her initials JK,

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doesn't have a middle name, according to her birth certificate.

0:33:220:33:25

The K stands for Kathleen, which is her paternal grandmother's name.

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She actually added it after it was decided

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that a book by an obviously female author may not appeal to young boys.

0:33:320:33:36

Samuel L Jackson's middle name - Leroy.

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Is he a Leroy? Good. He is a Leroy.

0:33:400:33:42

Well done, panel. Well done, Pat. Another ?500 into your prize pot.

0:33:420:33:46

You're up to ?1,700.

0:33:460:33:48

APPLAUSE

0:33:480:33:50

Your final chance to add to it.

0:33:530:33:54

Another ?500 up for grabs with this one.

0:33:540:33:57

The one that's jumping out at me is B -

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women replaced men in Major League Baseball

0:34:200:34:23

during World War II. Something in my head...

0:34:230:34:26

Japanese team, no. Mentioned in a Jane Austen novel... Don't think so.

0:34:260:34:32

Um, panel, please. OK, panel, let's see if you can add anything to this.

0:34:320:34:36

Your debate starts now.

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That's tough, isn't it? Have you seen the film with Tom Hanks

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called A League Of Their Own with Madonna and...

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Is that not about women having,

0:34:450:34:47

women having to step up and learn how to play baseball?

0:34:470:34:50

During the war? Yes. That's a brilliant fact.

0:34:500:34:53

It would certainly make sense. That's brilliant, Grace.

0:34:530:34:56

But it's also feasible

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that the Jane Austen's books are always about her

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trying to fix the character, trying to fix someone up

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with a marriage with someone who's got a lot of money,

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so that's when an American could come in.

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I wouldn't have thought baseball was around

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in Jane Austen's time. Again, that's the other thing.

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It strikes me as a fairly modern sport.

0:35:130:35:16

But is baseball not just glorified rounders?

0:35:160:35:18

How dare you? Rounders probably WAS around, that's probably true.

0:35:180:35:23

But I can't imagine Mr Darcy, you know,

0:35:230:35:25

doing whatever you do in baseball.

0:35:250:35:27

The Japanese thing - I can't work out whether that is...

0:35:270:35:30

I want to just dismiss that out of hand,

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but they do play baseball in Japan. They do, yeah.

0:35:320:35:35

But winning the first World Series... Why would...?

0:35:350:35:38

Cos Americans, they're so...

0:35:380:35:40

They call it the World Series, even though it's not a world sport.

0:35:400:35:43

It's basically American teams take part, isn't it? Yeah.

0:35:430:35:46

Maybe you could say that's why... I wish I knew more about baseball.

0:35:460:35:49

That's why it's called the World Series

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cos it started as America against Japan? I don't know.

0:35:500:35:53

But I feel like we could throw that one away. I agree.

0:35:530:35:56

I think you've got so many facts there, it's got to be true.

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Gracie says - and we're going with it -

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that women replaced men

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in the Major League Baseball

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during World War II. How much is this for?

0:36:050:36:08

?500. Oh, God! And your reputation. PAT: It's all right.

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So, Pat. Yes.

0:36:110:36:14

Well, Grace, I mean, that was great, mentioning the movie.

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Yeah, I'm going to stick with B, to be honest with you. OK.

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This was your first thought.

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Based on Grace's movie knowledge, the panel have also gone with B.

0:36:240:36:30

For ?500, did women replace men

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in Major League Baseball during the Second World War?

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No! Oh, no! What?

0:36:410:36:43

That's ridiculous! It is mentioned in a Jane Austen novel. No way! Oh!

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In the opening paragraph

0:36:470:36:49

of Jane Austen's Northanger Abbey,

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the heroine is described as preferring cricket,

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baseball and riding on horseback to reading books.

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Despite its name, the only other country, apart from the US,

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that has competed in the World Series is Canada.

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Japan won the first World Baseball Classic,

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an international baseball tournament, in 2006,

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but never a World Series, which has been contested since 1903.

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Major League Baseball continued during World War II

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with men who were not drafted,

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although a separate league, created for women,

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was popular during the war and post-war years

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and that is where the movie is based on.

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I can't take any more. So close. I can't.

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I give up. That's knocked the stuffing out of everybody.

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Such tough luck there, panel. Tough luck, Pat.

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It means, at the end of Round 3, your prize pot is ?1,700.

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APPLAUSE

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It's still a decent amount. It certainly is

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and, Grace, you did really well. Pat, I'm broken.

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Don't be nice to me. I'm broken!

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Pat, there is only one question between you and that money.

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It is the Final Debate. Yeah. Six possible answers.

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Only three of them are correct. We need you to get all three.

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However, you are not on your own.

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You will choose one of our intelligentsia

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to help you in this task.

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So, based on their performances today, Pat,

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who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

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Will you go for a home run with Grace?

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Will you butter Jennie's parsnips?

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Or will it be our very own BFG, Dan?

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Well, Patrick, the panel's been great today. Thanks, guys.

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But it's going to have to be Dan the Man.

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Dan, please join us for the Final Debate.

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APPLAUSE

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OK, Dan, Pat has chosen you because you are Dan the Man.

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Feeling confident?

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As a panel, I think we've questioned our knowledge now.

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If it's Bulgaria, I think you're on your own again.

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Yeah, I'm hoping it's football, you know, but we'll see.

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OK, because it is the Final Debate, Pat,

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you get to choose from two categories. Have a look at this.

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Chat it through with Dan. Tell me what you fancy.

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What's your art knowledge like? Mine's not up there. Oh, shocking.

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Let me think. Place Names?

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If you gave me a choice, I'd go Place Names,

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but I want to do whatever you feel more comfortable with.

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Artists, no way. OK. My mum's an artist, but, yeah.

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We're going to go with Place Names. OK.

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OK, Place Names. Yeah. Here we go. ?1,700 up for grabs.

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45 seconds on the clock. Six possible answers.

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Three of them are correct. We need them all, Pat. Right. Best of luck.

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Here we go. OK. Here's your Final Debate question on Place Names.

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Your time starts now. Right, Pity Me is in Durham. I've heard of that.

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So, that's definitely one.

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You get, like, Great Snoring, Little Snoring, all those. That sounds...

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That's it, yeah, yeah. Giggleswick, Great Snoring...

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Rough And Ready doesn't sound right, does it?

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No, no, out the window. Let's get rid of that one. What about No Name?

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Place with no name, man with no name. I don't know.

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It doesn't stand out to me. Boring? Boring. I live at Boring.

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I live at Boring. I live in Great Snoring. I live in Giggleswick.

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Giggleswick sounds... Giggleswick, yeah. 15 seconds.

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Pity Me, Giggleswick and Great Snoring, Boring -

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it's between those two. You have a pick.

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We haven't got much time left, so...

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Pity Me, we know for sure. Yes. Giggleswick, we're going to go with.

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Yes, we are. So... Great Snoring, Boring... I'm from Boring.

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I'm from Great Snoring. Your choice.

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Pat, three answers now, please.

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Yes, we'll have Pity Me, Giggleswick and Great Snoring.

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Come on, we need a hug. We need it. We need it, man.

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OK, guys, it wasn't the category you wanted. No.

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But you've given me three answers. We need all of them to be correct

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for you to take home the ?1,700, Pat.

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Here we go. The first one, you were pretty sure of.

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You think it's in Durham. Yeah. Is Pity Me in the UK?

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Go green.

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It is! OK. Good start. APPLAUSE

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And it is in Durham. Yes.

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We then move on to Giggleswick.

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Not so sure on this one, but you think it sounded like a village.

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If it is, you're still in the game for ?1,700.

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If it's wrong, you do leave with nothing.

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Is Giggleswick a village in the UK?

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It sounds good. Grannies walking around. Yeah. Where do you live?

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Giggleswick. Got a post office? Course we have.

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Yes! It is! APPLAUSE

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I'm happy with that. Yeah, we'll take that.

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Giggleswick is a village in North Yorkshire.

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And so it comes down to Great Snoring or Boring.

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You weren't sure on this.

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You went back and forward a couple of times... Yeah.

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..between Boring and Great Snoring. You've gone for Great Snoring.

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I wanted to leave you with that final choice.

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I'd have gone the same as you. Right.

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It's not like I could have changed your mind. OK.

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I think Great Snoring sounds like a little...

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I can see the square, people playing cricket... Yes. Little pub.

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Woman on her Zimmer frame. Oh, there she is. She's there.

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But does she live in Great Snoring? LAUGHTER

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You've talked a very good game, but is it correct?

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Fingers crossed, Pat. We wish you all the best on this. Come on.

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Come on. Come on.

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For ?1,700, is Great Snoring a village found in the UK?

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It's got to be! Come on, please. Please.

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Come on.

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Yes! Yes! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Well done. Very well played.

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Well done, Dan.

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Pat, you've just won ?1,700.

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APPLAUSE Cheers, thank you.

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Great Snoring is in north Norfolk.

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The other three answers - they are all places, but they're in America.

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Very well done. Give it up one more time for Pat.

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APPLAUSE Well done. Great stuff. And Dan.

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And Dan. That is it for Debatable.

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Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

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To Dan Walker, to Jennie Bond and Grace Dent.

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I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

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That is our last show of the series. Thanks for joining us.

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We'll see you soon for more heated debates.

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For now, it's goodbye from me.

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APPLAUSE

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