Episode 32 Debatable

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Hello and welcome to Debatable

where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to walk away a jackpot of over £3,000.

But they're not on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces

debating their way to the answers.

Will they be able to talk the talk or walk the walk?

As always, that's debatable, so let's meet them.

Straight-talking today,

we have former England cricketer Phil Tufnell,

reporter Michael Buerk

and news broadcaster Naga Munchetty.

APPLAUSE

Michael, you are in the centre chair.

I'm lucky to have two such talented,

knowledgeable individuals by my side...

to make me look good.

He's managing to keep a straight face there.

It's a talent in itself, isn't it?

It is a talent in itself.

Now you're used to getting up every morning and debating early.

Is this is too late to debate, or how does it work?

Tired. No. It's fine.

We get up in the morning, morning meeting,

good rousing debate over the top stories

and how we should approach them, love it.

So who normally wins the debate, how does it work?

-Whoever's right.

-Whoever's right.

That's very, very bad news for you, Tuffers.

It is.

Now I've been on A Question of Sport with you.

-Yes, very good as well.

-You're the only person on this panel

that knows how to get to an answer,

go 360 around an answer, and then get back to the answer.

It's in there somewhere.

It's just about getting it out, but it is in there somewhere.

So who do you think, Michael, between our two

-is going to perform better for you today?

-Oh! That's mean.

What a mean, divisive question that is.

We're a team.

We are. He's trying to break us up already.

We're not having it. No, we're here.

-There you go.

-You try and break this up.

-Yeah, quite.

-Good luck to you.

I mean, to be honest with you, I don't need to break this up.

The questions will do that for us.

That is the panel.

Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Liz from Tunbridge Wells.

-Liz, welcome to the show.

-Hello, Patrick.

-Very nice to meet you.

-You too.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, my name is Liz, I'm retired, I've been retired about 15 years,

and since then I've got up to lots of interesting things

that I didn't have time to do when I was working.

And whenever you retired you started up a little B&B, is that right?

For dogs, yes.

-Yes.

-Not for people but for dogs.

-Doggie bed and board.

-So basically Fawlty Towers for pooches.

Absolutely, yes. Yes.

So whenever you have all those dogs together, are they easier...

-They're much nicer than people, yes.

-Much nicer than people.

Because dogs are pack animals.

I was sort of alpha female and it wasn't their territory,

it was my territory, and what I said went.

But basically they were wonderful.

They were really lovely and they all got on well together.

The good news is, is that Phil is the alpha female on the panel,

so that should be fine.

-Should be fine.

-Everything should be fine.

-Good.

-What do you make of today's panel?

I think they're lovely. Absolutely lovely.

You do? You don't know them.

-I'm a big fan of them all, actually.

-Really?

I've always been a fan of Michael's

and I fell in love with Naga when she was on Strictly Come Dancing

because that's my very favourite show.

-Didn't we all?

-Didn't we all?

And of course Phil had a go at the old...

I was robbed.

You all were.

OK. Ready to play?

-Ready to play.

-Here we go, let's play Round One.

Round One, Liz, to ease you in, is multiple choice.

Four possible answers, four questions in this round.

A possible £800 up for grabs, £200 for each correct answer.

Here we go. Best of luck, here it comes.

Now the good news is this is Michael Buerk's specialist subject.

We had a chat before, I don't think it is, actually.

I think I know which one I would go for,

whether it's right or not, I've no idea,

so I would welcome what the panel have to say.

-What's your first thoughts on it?

-Westlife.

-Hold that thought.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Well, I would have said that too.

I'm going to be so...

I'm going to be so bold as to go Boyzone or Westlife.

-Right.

-Absolutely.

-More than the other two.

Naga, would you cut out the top two?

I would. Busted did get together with McFly and became McBusted.

-You know that.

-Of course!

-McBustedFly.

-Very painful.

-But that's about Busted.

I think you're right. We knock out East 17 and Busted.

So Boyzone or Westlife.

-Which ones were in...

-Boyzone's Ronan Keating.

Oh. And Westlife was?

-Brian McFadden.

-And that lot.

Yeah.

My instinct is to go for Westlife.

My instinct is Westlife.

-Right.

-Never thought I'd hear myself say it!

Yeah, I'd say my instinct would be Westlife as well.

And that fits in with my instinct too.

-Does it?

-What do you think?

Well, if you say it, then it must be true!

On balance.

The panel thinks that the act that had the most UK number one singles

is Westlife.

So the panel, bringing in a little bit of knowledge there.

-Actually going with your first thought, Liz.

-Yes, yes.

I think I will go with my gut instinct, Westlife,

as my final answer.

OK. You're going for Westlife.

You're agreeing with the panel.

-Yes.

-To get us up and running, for £200,

has Westlife had the most UK number one singles?

They have!

Well done.

I don't want to claim all the credit!

Thank you.

Westlife had 14 number ones from Swear It Again in 1999

to The Rose in 2006.

OK. Very well done.

Liz, you're flying without wings.

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Very well done, Liz, you're up and running, £200.

Here we go. Here comes your second question.

Well, I've heard of three of them.

Never heard of Henry Hudson, I have to confess,

but I think I would be inclined to go with James Cook,

Captain James Cook. But I really don't know.

OK, don't worry. I'm sure our panel can bring something to this.

Your debate starts now.

Nothing to it, I don't think, really.

-You know?

-Yeah.

Do it by a process of elimination.

Go on, then.

Henry Hudson, Hudson's Bay, so then we're talking about northern Canada,

and if they had tattoos,

they were covered up by their furs so that didn't happen.

David Livingstone was a Victorian, tattoos,

English sailors were carrying tattoos around

long before Victoria was on the throne,

so it all predated David Livingstone.

Raleigh was America, tobacco, all that kind of stuff, you know.

But Captain James Cook was one of the earliest Europeans

to arrive in Tahiti which is where tattoos originated.

And that's where the English sailors developed the idea,

-you remember the mutiny on the Bounty?

-Yes!

They used to use that sort of metal, didn't they?

With the ink and bash it into you, sort of like...

-Very painful.

-Yeah, very.

Can't understand tattoos, can you?

-You don't have one?

-No.

Wouldn't... They're so common!

-You think they're common.

-Absolutely.

Phil, don't you have two?

I'm sorry, Phil. Have you got a tattoo?

I've got one on my back of a cat,

because my nickname when I played cricket was "the cat".

Where's the other?

On the lower back.

And what is that?

-My wife's name.

-What's your wife's name,

because I'm never obviously going to find out?

-Dawn.

-Oh, nice short name.

Yeah. And very well placed.

Right. What, near the crack of Dawn?

That'll never make it!

Oh, no, that will!

So, anyway, getting back...

James Cook sounds good.

Cook sounds good.

Yeah. We think that the person credited by the Oxford dictionary

with bringing the word tattoo into the English language

is Captain James Cook.

Good knowledge there from Mr Buerk, we have to say.

Superb, yeah. I have to say also,

my thinking was along the same lines as Michael,

because of the places he did visit.

And I'm grateful for the Hudson Bay thing, that's great,

I now know who Henry Hudson is.

But, yes, I'm going to go with the panel,

thank you very much, definitely. Captain James Cook.

OK, you're going with the panel.

For £200, the correct answer is...

It is!

-Thank you, Michael.

-Well done.

Michael, everything you said there was absolutely right,

your stuff about Henry Hudson.

Very well done, Liz.

-Well done to Michael.

-Liz had the answer anyway.

-She did.

-It was a guess.

Captain Cook came across the practice in Tahiti

and brought a tattooed man back to Europe.

The first citation of the word tattoo in the OED

comes from James Cook's published account of his voyage,

-which appeared in 1769, so...

-Excellent.

Well done, Liz.

Another £200 into the prize pot, you're up to £400.

Here's your next question.

I'm very bad at sport! I'm going to look to Phil for this.

Oof!

Marathon. Running.

I think it would be a running sport.

But it's a complete and utter guess.

-OK, you're thinking marathon.

-And I'm relying on Phil.

-You're thinking marathon, but it is a guess.

-It is.

Guys, can you sort this out?

Your debate starts now.

It's not boxing because that only just come into it.

-Yeah.

-Oh, right, OK.

-Nicola Adams.

-Naga, what do you reckon?

-You're a sporty type.

-Pole vault?

I don't think it's pole vault, I really don't.

-I don't think it's pole vault.

-Yeah.

I think I'm veering towards shot put.

-Really?

-Just because I think it's more accessible in terms of...

-Just standing there.

-Physically, you're standing

and it's about technique.

Yes. They used to do things like club swinging,

tug-of-war used to be in the Olympics.

-Yeah, yes.

-There was all sorts of different things in the Olympics.

-So, what are we going to say?

-What do you think?

What's your instinct? Mine's shot put.

-Mine's shot put.

-It's not based on knowledge or fact,

-but it's my instinct.

-It's a 50-50 call.

Yeah, it's a 50-50 call.

I'll go along with the team, shot put.

-You're sure?

-Yeah.

Got an inkling for marathon, but go for shot put.

No, I think you've covered yourself there, you can say I was right.

-Yeah.

-You could.

-Yeah.

-So, the panel thinks,

just about, that the first women's Olympic sport was the shot put.

OK.

So, two out of three of you are thinking shot put.

The two that are not on Question Of Sport...

..believe shot put.

The panel have been very good to me so far.

It's early days.

I do take what Naga has said, actually,

and I'm beginning to picture the fact

that some women may well have found a sport that they could contest in.

I'll go with shot put, I'll go with shot put, go with the panel again.

Because they'd been very good to me so far.

OK, purely on the basis that you been very good to Liz so far,

-she's going for shot put.

-Yeah, so far.

For £200, the correct answer is...

Oh, well done.

-Brilliant, fantastic.

-Very well done, Naga, very well done.

The men's shot was one of the two throw events

at the very first Olympics in 1896, alongside the discus.

The women's event was added to the programme in the 1948 Olympics

in London, just over 50 years later.

Women first competed in the marathon in 1984.

-Ooh.

-Very, very recently.

Not so very long ago.

Very well done, panel, well played, Liz.

You're up to £600.

And here comes your final question in this round.

Can you make it a clean sweep?

Which of those letters begins the fewest number of capital cities?

Vienna is a capital City.

It's probably the most obvious one but I think, I think I'll go with V.

So you're thinking V?

Yes. Because I can only think of Vienna

and I can't think of anything else.

This may be tortuous to watch.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-Right.

-Well, there are 28 EU countries.

-Yes.

-EU.

What's the most popular letter there, do you think?

-Well, think Scrabble.

-Yes, yes!

S seems pretty popular.

So how many S's can you think of?

-Sofia.

-Sofia.

Stockholm.

Is Sweden in...? Yes.

Can we think of another beginning with V, maybe?

-Vilnius.

-That makes two.

We've got London and Lisbon.

-Yeah.

-Brussels.

Berlin.

Luxembourg, which is both a city and a country.

That's three L's so I don't think it can be L.

I think by common sense... Wouldn't common sense tell you it was V?

Oh, this has got us on the hop.

-We're going to have to guess, I think.

-We are, we are.

-S or V.

-S or V?

-I'd go V.

-I'd go V.

You'd go V? I'd go S, I think.

But, no, no, no, I go with the majority.

I'm a chairman. I can't be right all the time.

-Oh, but...

-See, I think you could.

I don't think so, I don't think so.

Chairman's casting vote. The panel thinks that the fewest number of

capital cities in the EU start with V.

I'm going to go with V because it was my first instinct again.

And the panel seemed to agree with me.

I think so, yes. V is my answer.

The panel do seem to agree with you.

OK, for a clean sweep of Round One, for £200,

is V the letter that begins the fewest number of names

of capital cities in the EU?

-Ooh!

-Oh, it's S.

It's S.

So, there are two European capitals beginning with S - Sofia,

in Bulgaria and Stockholm in Sweden.

And there are three that begin with V - Vienna, Valletta and Vilnius.

So, Liz, nothing for that but you've still done ever so well.

At the end of Round One, you're on £600.

Thank you.

Very tricky question there.

How do you think the panel are doing so far?

Fantastically well, actually.

I really am, I'm thrilled with them all, they're fantastic.

You're thrilled with them all?

Yeah, I think I'm in tune with them, actually.

OK, well, look, you do have to choose one.

A couple of rounds still to go. Keep a close eye on them all.

Let's see how they are with pictures.

It's time for Round Two.

Liz, Round Two is our picture round.

In each question we need you to put three pictures in the correct order.

£300 for each correct answer,

so a possible £900 up for grabs with our three questions.

Here comes your first one.

Oh, my word!

It's an insult, isn't it? To put them in the wrong order.

-Right.

-Do you want to have a think, and let the panel have a go?

Yes, I think I would. I don't want to commit myself at this stage.

OK. So, here we go.

-Your debate starts now.

-The faith you have in us!

It's got to be Drew, youngest, isn't it?

Yeah, I think so.

She was in ET, wasn't she?

Child actor, she was about six, seven then.

That was '80s, mid '80s.

-So she'll be what?

-She'd be late 30s.

-Yes.

-I think Cameron Diaz...

A lot has been spoken about her

and whether or not she's had children yet

and it's too late for her to have children,

so she's around the 40 mark.

My instinct tells me that Lucy Liu is the oldest,

but I don't think you can go on looks

-on any of them because they all look fantastic.

-No, no.

Lucy Liu did Kill Bill and everything, didn't she?

Yeah, and she's in Elementary, the US Sherlock Holmes...

So how old do you think she is, 40-ish?

I think she's about 40, 42.

So you're saying she's sort of mid-40s.

I think she's about 43, 44.

Are we OK on this?

-Yeah. I think so.

-It could be, yeah.

So, the panel thinks, just about, that Drew Barrymore is the youngest,

Cameron Diaz is the middle of this spectrum, and...

Lucy Liu, I don't want to be rude,

but Lucy Liu is possibly the oldest of this trio,

-though doesn't look it.

-No, looks magnificent.

Diplomatic, Michael!

Diplomatic.

To be honest, I really haven't got a clue.

I apologise to the lady, but I don't know Lucy Liu.

They're definitely not the Angels

that I saw when Charlie's Angels first appeared on television.

They were very different.

Oh, I'm going to go with the panel because I really don't have a clue.

I'm going with what the panel are suggesting, yes,

that it's Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz and Lucy Liu,

in that order, from youngest to oldest.

OK, you haven't heard of Lucy Liu, you're not sure of the order.

But you're going to go with the panel.

For £300...

is that the correct order?

It is!

Well done.

-Well done!

-Thank you so much.

- Oh, go on. - Fantastic. Thank you so much.

Well done. Drew Barrymore was born on 22nd of February 1975.

She is the youngest. Cameron Diaz is in the middle.

She was born on the 30th of August, 1972.

And then Lucy Liu was born on the 2nd of December, 1968.

-Well played, panel. Well done, Liz.

-Thank you very much, yes.

-Another £300 into your prize pot. You're up to £900.

-Wow. Lovely.

Well done, Liz.

Here comes your next picture question.

Oh!

Wish I'd never mentioned the doggy B&B now.

I think I'd heard that the French bulldog has actually become,

quite recently, quite popular.

The Labrador retrievers have been popular for a long,

long time and so has the cocker spaniel.

I think I know what order I would put them in.

OK. So, you think you know the order.

I think I know the order I would put them in, not that it's right.

I'd like to know what the panel say first, please.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

Well, I think we ought to defer to Liz on this,

to be absolutely honest.

I thought Liz would be absolutely...

-I would hope...

-Don't they all sort of have them in bags now, the girls,

don't they, and everything? And people nowadays.

The Only Way Is Essex, and everything.

-Really?

-Yes. The bulldog has come up,

you know what I mean?

I would have thought, this is just postulating,

Labrador retrievers are surely the most popular dog in Britain,

aren't they, one way or another?

-What do you think?

-I think...

Or is this a slightly trick question?

A few years ago, that might have been the case.

This one's a bit more popular?

-What do you think?

-I don't know.

-What do you think?

I think that spaniels are dogs for fit people,

and fitness...

I'm going off at a bit of a tangent.

So, people are trying to be more fit.

They want to go walking, hill climbing,

and springer spaniels and, I would assume, cocker spaniels

are quite lively.

And you wouldn't want to be seen dead with that.

You wouldn't carry that, no.

And Labradors...

Tell us what you really think of the French bulldog, Michael!

Well, look at it, you know.

It's quite cute.

That seems as if that should be right.

There are loads of labs out there, loads of chocolate labs out there.

I might switch those two, but I don't...

-These two?

-Yeah.

Yeah. What do you think?

-You're labs.

-Yeah, I'm labs or bulldogs.

-Well, then, leave it.

-OK.

Either way, Liz has got to make the decision.

-Yes, she has.

-So, let's stick with this.

OK. Most popular, Labrador retrievers.

Secondly, cocker spaniels.

Thirdly, French bulldog.

But we're not that cocker spaniel about it!

OK, Liz, they've come to a decision,

which, it appears, none of them are happy with.

I have got this feeling in the back of my mind

that the French bulldog has suddenly come up in favour.

The Labrador retriever has been around for a long, long time.

We have a Labrador in the family who is absolutely divine.

I'm going to put the French bulldog as the most popular,

but I'm going to swap the cocker spaniel with the Labrador.

So, the order you're going with?

French bulldog, cocker spaniel, Labrador.

And my family will kill me if I'm wrong.

OK, you're going against the panel.

For £300, is that the correct order?

It's the wrong order, Liz.

-Wow.

-Let's have a look at the correct order.

-Oh!

-Panel had it right.

Panel had it right.

Should have gone with the panel. Sorry!

Labrador retriever the most popular.

Then the cocker spaniel, then the French bulldog,

which will keep Michael very happy!

Over 32,000 Labrador pups

were registered with the Kennel Club in 2015.

Roughly 22,500 cocker spaniels were registered.

And then the French bulldog, coming up the rear, 14,607 pups.

Well done, panel. Tough luck on that one, Liz.

It means that you're still on £900.

Not bad. Thank you.

Let's have a look at your final picture question.

-What are you thinking, Liz?

-Ah!

I would put Jude Law at the end

because I think he's possibly younger than the others,

and I would put Ben Whishaw in the middle

and David Tennant as first. I really don't know.

So I'll be interested to hear what the panel have to say.

Who knows? Maybe the panel has even seen one of these productions.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Have you seen any of these?

-No.

-Yeah. I've seen two.

I've seen Jude Law and David Tennant.

I haven't seen Ben Whishaw.

My instinct is that I saw Jude Law first.

Then David Tennant.

And I think Ben Whishaw was the most recent,

because his popularity has been the most recent, as well.

He's obviously starred in Bond recently.

That's my instinct.

David Tennant was very, very popular,

but I thought that Jude had done before David.

That I'm fuzzy on. I've seen them both.

-Phil, bring us your...

-No, I'm quite happy to go along with that.

I love that, yes. Jude Law's been around a while.

Yeah, he has.

-Yeah.

-He was busy perhaps doing a Doctor Who

and all that kind of stuff.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

I don't know, anyway.

So, I would have put you as a fan of Hamlet.

Yeah, I'm a fan of Hamlet, but...

The cigars!

OK, agreed?

-Yes.

-OK. The panel thinks that, chronologically,

in terms of performing the role of Hamlet, Jude Law was first,

David Tennant was second and Ben Whishaw is the most recent.

So, Liz, Naga has seen two of those performances.

She thinks that Jude Law may have been the first,

although she's a little bit fuzzy on it.

She thinks Ben Whishaw was the last.

Well, I don't have a clue,

so I'm going to bow to Naga's superior knowledge in this case.

If she's seen the two of them,

it's a shame she can't remember quite which one she saw first!

But, no, I will go with Naga.

Yeah. So that's the order.

Jude Law, David Tennant and Ben Whishaw.

OK. You are agreeing with the panel.

For £300, Naga, is that the correct order?

I hope so.

-No! I'm so sorry!

-It's the wrong order.

Don't blame yourself, Naga.

Mind you, there's no-one else to blame!

Only me to blame.

Let's have a little look, here, at the correct order.

Let's see if we can sort it out.

-Oh!

-Ben Whishaw was 23.

He was fresh out of Rada when he made his name, way back in 2004.

Then David Tennant played him in 2008.

And then Jude Law played him in 2009.

Liz, nothing for that.

It means that, at the end of Round Two, you're still on £900.

OK, thank you.

So, based on their performances so far,

how do you think the panel's faring?

I think they're all doing marvellously well, actually.

It's going to be very, very difficult to make my last choice.

Naga, come on... Naga, come on!

Never mind! Never mind.

-Anybody standing out?

-I think age over experience helps.

Sorry, Michael, but, you know... We are round about the same age.

That's almost the worst thing anybody's ever said to me!

Actually, the worst thing anybody said to me was,

"My grandmother used to fancy you."

-Oh!

-I was trying to work out which bit of that sentence, you know...

-hurt me the most.

-"Used to", yeah!

Um, I don't know.

It will be very tricky at the end, but we're not there, yet.

We're not there, yet. Don't worry.

You still have another round to play.

£1,500 up for grabs as we play Round Three!

OK, Liz, in Round Three,

you will face questions that contain three statements about a person,

a place, or thing. Only one of those statements is true.

Three questions in this round.

It is our last round, so the money goes up to £500

for each correct answer. So, best of luck.

Here comes your first one.

Well, I can, imagine every one of those being correct, actually.

Goodness only knows.

I think A.

Any one of them could be correct.

But I think, before I hear what the panel have to say,

I would go with answer A.

OK, you are veering towards A.

But let's see what our panel make of this.

Can you add anything or sort it out for us, guys?

Your debate starts now.

I know that there's a little sort of statement about Wimbledon

that comes out every year

about how much... Yeah.

Given Wimbledon, huge crowds, everybody has strawberries.

20,000kg and doesn't sound an enormous amount.

But he says over, so anything over 20,000kg, if it's true, is correct.

How many people go to Wimbledon?

Loads. Loads, loads, loads.

And they all eat strawberries.

-So, how many thousand?

-And it goes on for a fortnight.

-Yes, it does.

-Yeah.

And 100g is not much, is it?

How many strawberries in 100g?

I think there'd be more calories than 100g.

I think 100,000 tonnes of strawberries is too much.

Let's rule that out.

-Yeah.

-100,000, that's... a car's one tonne.

That's 100,000 motorcars worth of strawberries.

Yeah. In those sort of facts that make you sit up and perk up

and think, 20,000 kilos at...

at Wimbledon.

You think, you know, that's the kind of factoid

you are liable to come across. What do you think?

-I'm with you.

-Yeah, me too.

OK, so, we agreed?

-Yes.

-So, on balance,

the panel thinks that over 20,000kg of strawberries

are eaten each year at Wimbledon.

OK, Liz. Naga believes that there's maybe more than 100 calories

in 100g of strawberries. Phil has measured out 100,000 tonnes in cars.

And they have gone for B.

Yes. I think I'll go with B.

I'll go with the panel again.

Yeah. I wish Phil wouldn't put his head in his hands

every time I say that!

-OK, so you're going for...?

-I'm going with B.

-Mm-hm.

-You're going with B.

-Confident, Phil?

-Yeah.

For £500, the correct statement is...

-It is B!

-Thank you.

Well done.

Very well done, Liz.

According to Wimbledon,

28,000kg of strawberries are consumed during the tournament,

with over 7,000 litres of fresh cream.

100g of strawberries only contain around 25-30 calories,

making them one of the lower calorie fruits.

OK, very well done, Liz.

£500 into your prize pot.

You're up to £1,400.

Still £1,000 up for grabs.

Here comes your next question.

Well, in the first place,

I thought that patron saints were only ever patron of one country,

not others, as well.

So, what's the possible answer to that?

I'm not sure about George ever being the patron saint of anywhere else.

And as for Andrew, Scotland, Italy?

Oh! I think I might go with C, with St Patrick,

because Patrick went to an awful lot of countries

when he was spreading the word.

Yeah, I'm going to say C.

OK, panel?

Your debate starts now.

-Ooh.

-Phil?

Well, Italy...

You're good on religion.

Italy like a bit of religion, don't they?

Italy, they all sort of walk through the streets

with sort of patron saints in Italy, don't they?

-And what have you.

-They've got a Pope, though.

Yes.

Not that they can't have a saint as well!

They've got a lot of saints in Italy!

-Yeah.

-Exactly.

-Doesn't sound right, though.

-It doesn't.

-St George puts himself around, a lot.

-Did he?

-Yeah, yeah. I think...

-Finland...

-Hmm?

-As far flung as Finland?

-Well, doesn't sound likely, does it?

Liz is going with St Patrick and Nigeria.

Yeah. Has Nigeria got a patron saint?

I don't know.

Does Finland have a patron saint?

Hmm.

This is absolutely a guess, isn't it?

-A guess.

-Yeah.

-No idea.

-Shall we just have a vote on it?

-Yes.

-What, what, what?

-I'm going Nigeria.

You're going Nigeria. Patrick?

I'm going George.

I'm going Andrew.

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-Cheers, guys, that's really helpful.

-We are completely lost.

Well, I'm going Andrew just because, Italy.

-Lovely place.

-I think it's George, but Andrew, OK.

So the panel thinks that the true statement

is that St Andrew is also the patron saint of Italy.

Liz, the phrase "a wing and no prayer" comes to mind.

Absolutely! I really don't know.

It is, as you say, a wing and a prayer.

But I'll go with my gut instinct and say St Patrick.

Because I do believe he was the most, as far as I'm aware,

what I've read, he was the most travelled.

OK, you've gone for St Patrick.

Was St Patrick also the patron saint of Nigeria?

For £500...

He was!

Very, very well done.

I can tell you that Ireland and Nigeria

share another common element.

Lagos, Nigeria, was chosen as the first location

outside the British Isles to brew Guinness, in 1963.

Come on, very well done, Liz.

Another £500 into your prize pot.

You're up to £1,900.

And still a chance to get it up to 2,400.

Here comes your final question on this round, for £500.

Which statement is true about Brasilia?

The city's layout is often described as the shape of a flying bird.

It is the wettest city in South America.

There are no roundabouts in the city.

Oh, heaven only knows.

See what the panel have to say.

I know where I would go,

but I'll wait and see what the panel say, please.

OK. There could be a chance that we could be round and round in circles

in this one, panel. Your debate starts now.

I've been there, and it was raining.

Did you go around any roundabouts?

-I don't remember roundabouts.

-Think back.

But it surely can't be the wettest city in South America,

because it's not in the rainforest and there are lots of rainforest

-in South America so...

-Good shout.

And it's a fairly new capital.

It's in the middle of nowhere, yeah.

I have heard of the city's layout,

as a bird, in the shape of a bird,

but I don't know if it was Brasilia.

-What is that shape?

-Well, like a bird.

Just spread out?

Spread out wings and a nice, tidy body.

All right, we've got to come to a conclusion, haven't we?

I think the flying bird is a bit off the wall and might be right.

-Yeah.

-I'm going for roundabouts, but I'll go with you, skip.

I've just got to... Oh, I don't know.

You are filing a minority report.

I am. I am. I am rebelling.

Go on, Naga, you've got the...

-You've got the casting vote.

-I'm going for bird.

But, again, Liz, it's completely up to you.

I think Liz is aware we're not talking oracles here.

So the panel has thought, dwelt long and hard,

deployed all their knowledge,

and all their intelligence and come to no particular conclusion,

but we think that Brasilia, the city layout,

is often described as looking like a flying bird.

OK, Liz, Michael has been there in the rain.

They're not sure about roundabouts. They've gone for the layout.

It is described as being in the shape of a flying bird.

Well, the fact that Naga has actually heard of a city

in the shape of a flying bird,

I can't think that there's too many of them in the world,

and that it is a new city...

..I'm going to go with Naga and restore her confidence, A.

Or destroy it completely!

So, for £500, is that the correct answer?

It is!

CHEERING

Very well done, Liz.

Very well played, Naga, you see?

Unesco's website, which lists the city as a World Heritage Site,

describes the layout of the residential

and administrative districts as the shape of a bird in flight.

Designed in the 1950s from scratch, it is Brazil's new capital.

Well done, Liz.

Well played, Naga.

£500 into your prize pot.

At the end of Round Three, you're up to £2,400.

Fantastic.

So, Liz, tidy, tidy sum.

Mm. Lovely.

If you manage to win the money today, any plans for the cash?

Well, I have always wanted to do a skydive.

I've got funny feelings about it, but I would love to do it.

In fact, I said I'd like to do it for my 70th birthday,

but then my son-in-law said I couldn't change my mind

cos he'd already booked it, but without the parachute!

Um, but I've still got a desire to do it.

Brilliant. Very good. Very, very good.

But there is one person between you and that £2,400.

And it is the Final Debate. You're not going to be on your own.

You will get to choose one of these fine panellists to help you

in your quest.

So, who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Will it be man's best friend, Phil?

To choose Michael Buerk or not to choose Michael Buerk,

that is the question.

Or will you spread your wings and fly away with Naga?

Oh, well, they've all been absolutely brilliant.

It's a very difficult choice, but I think, at the end of the day,

I'd like to go with Michael, please.

OK, Michael. Please join us for the Final Debate.

Michael, it's the dream team.

Liz has chosen you for the Final Debate.

I'm more nervous than she is, actually.

To be honest, Liz has been a very good player

-right the way through.

-Yes, she has.

-So she might not even need you.

-Who knows?

-I hope not.

-I will need you.

-OK.

There is £2,400 up for grabs.

Because it's our Final Debate, we give you a choice between these two.

Tell us what you fancy between motor racing and national parks.

Well, without any debate, it's national parks for me.

I know nothing about motor racing

except that I did get a question right the other day on something,

but...national parks, I'd rather go.

-What about you?

-Yes. Yes. Yes.

We're at the right age...

We're about the same age as national parks probably!

That's what I mean, yeah.

OK. National parks.

That's our chosen category, please.

OK, Liz, we are wishing you all the best here.

You've gone with national parks.

We are going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

Six possible answers.

We need three correct answers.

-Yeah, OK.

-For £2,400, here comes your Final Debate question.

Your time starts now.

Right. Exmoor is huge.

The New Forest is not quite so huge.

The Cairngorms are mountains.

It's a mountain range.

-Northumberland...

-As is Snowdonia.

I've been to Snowdonia.

Northumberland is a very, very large county.

-Yeah.

-And the Lake District is pretty big, isn't it?

Right. So, let's park the New Forest.

-Park the New Forest.

-And I think the Cairngorms is not one of them.

-Right.

-I think I would...

Mind you, Snowdonia doesn't just include the mountains...

of Snowdon. It includes the area as well.

Ten seconds.

What do you think?

Not the New Forest.

Not Exmoor. Not the Cairngorms.

So, you go with...

Time up. I need three answers, Liz.

OK. Yeah.

Exmoor, Northumberland and the Lake District are my three answers.

OK, Liz, you know how this works.

We need all three of these to be correct to win the money.

Yeah. I feel fairly confident.

OK, feeling fairly confident.

The first one you gave me was Exmoor.

You thought that was pretty big.

We need it to be right.

To keep you in the game and on track for £2,400.

Yeah.

Is Exmoor one of the three largest national parks from those six?

It's the wrong answer, Liz.

I am so, so sorry.

-Sorry about that.

-It was a really tough question.

Let's have a little look.

You gave me Northumberland as your second answer.

Let's have a look. Was that one of the largest?

It wasn't.

And then the Lake District.

-That is one of them.

-So, I think I was wrong about the New Forest.

-I think I was wrong on that.

-The other two correct answers were

the Cairngorms and Snowdonia.

-Yeah.

-Oh, well, never mind.

Really tricky question, Liz.

You'd have hated skydiving, let me tell you!

-It's a fool's game.

-I can tell you that Exmoor is 267 square miles.

The New Forest is 220 square miles.

Northumberland, just over 400 square miles.

The Cairngorms is huge.

A massive 1,748 square miles.

It is the UK's largest national park.

The Lake District is 912 square miles.

And Snowdonia, just under 850 square miles.

Liz, we were all hoping you could do it.

You were such a good player.

Thanks for coming in and seeing us. Give it up one more time to Liz!

Come on.

-Thank you.

-That is it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel today -

to Michael Buerk, Phil Tufnell and Naga Munchetty.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

I do hope you have enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.