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Goo-o-o-o-d evening! | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Good evening, good evening, good evening! | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Goo-o-d evening and welcome to QI, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
where the composition of our panel is intentionally international. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
From Denmark, Sandi Toksvig... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
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From Germany, Henning Wehn... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
From Scotland, Clive Anderson... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
And from God knows where, Alan Davies! | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Tonight's show is all about inattention and ineptitude. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Alan, what is tonight's show about? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Inattention and ineptitude. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
-(SIREN SOUNDS) -Oh-h-h! | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
That's ten points off for a start, because tonight's show | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
-is all about inequality and injustice. -Oh, of course! | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
And so we unjustly took 10 points away from you, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
because this is a show in which nothing will be fair, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
from top to bottom, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
so let's get it over with and go straight to the scores! | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
In first place, with -54, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
it's Sandi Toksvig! | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
(BUZZER) 'Whay-hay!' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Congratulations! | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
In second place with +7, is Clive Anderson! | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
(BUZZER) 'Objection, m'lud!' | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
In third place with minus sechzig, is Henning Wehn... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
(BUZZER) 'Don't mention za var!' | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
And lastly, obviously, with minus one gazillion, is Alan Davies! | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
(BUZZER) 'Boooo!' | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
CLIVE: So that's it, you've done the scores already? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
The scores are already done, but we've still got questions to ask. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
And don't forget your nobody knows joker. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
BUGLE CALL | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
There's a question, maybe two, or three, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
to which the correct answer is, "nobody knows". | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
If you wave your nobody knows joker you get extra points, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
or maybe you lose them, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
or maybe you don't, because the scores have already been given. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
It's an unjust game tonight. The first question is easy, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
so I'll give it randomly to my old friend, Sandi. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
What can you tell me about this chap behind you? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
Ooh! Er, well, do you think that the words give it away, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
or is that going to be unfair? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Er, the fact that it says, "The Puritan." | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Well... | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
SIREN SOUNDS | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
-That seems unfair! -It does, doesn't it? | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Because what it is, is the 19th century IDEA of a Puritan, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
and in fact the 19th century idea of a Puritan, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
which we retain to this day, is completely inaccurate. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
The steeple hat, the clothing, no evidence | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
they ever wore... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
They wore a beanie hat, did they? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
They wore ordinary clothes, but if having a portrait taken, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
they usually wore their Sunday best, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
which tended to be black. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
-So he's not a Puritan at all? -He's a 19th century idea of a Puritan. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
-You were right to say he was a Puritan... -I was merely reading! | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
..and I was unjust. You've lost 10 points, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-but it doesn't matter because you've already won! -Yes! | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
-Do you know, I'm quite relaxed about the whole show? -Exactly! | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Now, what can you tell me about the Puritans, in America? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Er, they went over on the Mayflower? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
-No... -I keep expecting the thing to go off again! -Yeah! | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
They didn't go on the Mayflower? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
No. The great American myth, if you like, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
is the Puritans arrived on the Mayflower, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
and they came to avoid religious persecution. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
In fact, they came in order to be able to persecute. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
-Yeah, but they hated the Quakers. -They objected to religious freedom in England, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
that meant you could have all kinds of ranges of religion. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
In 1660, they hanged a woman just for being a Quaker. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
-Mary Dyer. -That's right, the very one. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Obviously many people did come to America to avoid persecution, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
but the idea the Puritans came to avoid persecution, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
they came to persecute, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
they wanted to build a country | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
in which there could be no dissent from Puritanism. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Puritans, they regarded luxury as sinful, didn't they? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Some of them set off to America and the others opened B&Bs in Britain! | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
-Hey! -Yeah... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
B&Bs, breakfast until seven - don't call it B&B, just call it B! | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
If you've got no intention of serving breakfast, don't call it B&B. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
Do you know, I once sailed all the way round Britain, | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
and we finally got to Northumbria, and on the coastline, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
there was a house with paint saying, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
"Bed and breakfast, hot and cold water." | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
I thought, "Only in this country, would you feel you must advertise you have both." | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Oh yes. Pride! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
It used to be hot and cold running water. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Not just a bucket lying there, there's pipes and everything! | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
In this painting, did the native there, on the left, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
-did he bring that tree to hide behind, because he looks... -LAUGHTER | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
He doesn't look happy! | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-See which way the wind is blowing. -I think he knows what's coming! | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
It's true, Stephen, the Puritans went on the Mayflower. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
They say they landed at Plymouth Rock, but it was Provincetown, so none of it is true? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
I'm afraid, yeah, it's a myth. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Every country likes to build up a legend of its own foundation. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Really ugly baby! | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
It IS a rather ugly baby! | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
Like a tiny person standing behind that woman. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
It's not any use... don't learn that expression, "really ugly baby". | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
There's never an opportunity to use that in real life. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Little tiny... I'm really enjoying this painting... | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
They've come all the way over, brought one pickaxe and a hat. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
It's no basis on which to build a country, is it? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
The guy on the right brought a girl. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
300 years later, it was the mightiest nation on Earth. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
-Extraordinary! No offence! -Don't think the man in the hat had much to do with it! | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Anyway, that was our first unfair question. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Puritans didn't really dress like that. What key role | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
did a Puritan pig play in the trial of George Spencer in 1641? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
-Is that the actual pig we're looking at? -No, that is not the actual pig! | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Because that's a photograph of a modern pig posing as a 1641 pig. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
A rather similar picture of myself at a spa! | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Oh, now! You've got two fewer nipples! | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Well, certainly, the nipples were a surprise! | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
-But that look of contentment! -Yes. -Absolutely! | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
-One happy pig. -That's a pig in clover. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
A pig in clover, absolutely! | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
-George... When did you say, what year did you say? -1641. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Are we talking about witchcraft? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
We're in New Haven, Connecticut, the centre of the Puritan... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
-Is this a bit like that monkey they hanged in Hartlepool? -Well... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Because they thought he was French, didn't they? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
The monkey was hanged because they thought him a French spy. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
They knew French people spoke a different language and were small, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
and cartoonists had made them look diminutive and nasty, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
so they see a little monkey, they buy the propaganda! | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
-When the monkey was in the dock it was thoroughly evasive! -Yes! | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
It didn't give a straight answer to any question! | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
This, on the other hand, is a Puritan world, and I would remind you of Leviticus 20:15. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
Not eating pork, presumably? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
No, "If a man lie with a beast, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
"he shall surely be put to death, and ye shall slay the beast." | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
-He laid with a pig! -Did George have his end away with a piece of pork? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
He just fancied a bit of crackling, that's all! | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
It's even unfairer than that. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
It so happened that George was a rather ugly fellow, who was bald and had one eye, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
and one day a sow farrowed, I think is the word, a litter of piglets, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:09 | |
one of whom was strikingly similar to George, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
and had one eye, and so George was immediately | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
put in front of the Puritan court, accused of having lain with the pig. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
He didn't have the chance to get a super injunction? | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Disgraceful! | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
He denied it strenuously, as you might! | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Typically, the Puritans then said, "There shall be mercy shown, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
"should you be open and honest." | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
So he thought, "If I say yes they'll let me off", | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
so he said, "I laid with the pig", and they said, "The mercy will be shown by the Lord, but not by us." | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
For there to be a capital offence there had to be two witnesses to it, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
so they included the pig. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
So they brought the pig into the trial to speak against itself, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
or squeak against itself, and both George and the pig were executed. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
-Both got the chop. -Both got the chop! -Did the pig shyly look at George, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
in a kind of I-remember-that-night way? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
I think the whole thing was just... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
The pig came in and said, "That bastard, he never rang... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
"..he just used me!" | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
Some 50 years later, there was the famous mass hysteria in Salem... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
-Salem witch trials... -The witch trials, but this was before them, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
there were the bestiality obsessions as well. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
-Who's the other witness, though? -George. George said yes. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
-So his confession... -His tricked confession was counted. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
If you'd been there, he'd have got off, Clive. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
Of course, I'd like to think so, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
but these days, you convict people on a confession, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
you don't even need the pig! | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
There was a man caught | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
in an intimate situation with a donkey in 1710 in France. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
He was caught in the act with a female donkey, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
and character witnesses appeared - this is what was so sweet - | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-on behalf of the donkey... -LAUGHTER | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
..saying, "This was an honest donkey | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
"and a modest donkey and a decent donkey," | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
so the man was executed and the donkey got off scot-free. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
The law is an ass! | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
It seems very unfair to execute the pig. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-Totally! -If the sin is lying with the beast... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
No, Leviticus, I remind you, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
"If a man lie with the beast he shall surely be put to death, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
"and ye shall slay the beast." | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-Ah! -Does anyone know, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
why did the New Haven Puritans abolish trial by jury? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Well, the Bible has stuff about, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
I think it's in the gospels. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Does that go on to say, "..and don't be on a jury, either." | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
Oddly enough, you're in the right area. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
It's simply that juries are not mentioned in the Bible. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
They thought they had no place in life | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
as they didn't have them in biblical times. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
What about a propelling pencil? They wouldn't have that either. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Well, quite. There are Amish communities and various other Brethren who don't. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
-It's a sin to use a propelling pencil? -Well, it's very hard. I agree. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
It's a very peculiar world, the world of the Puritan. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
America's full of those strange rules. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
Did you know that it's still the law in Alabama that it is illegal | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
to wear a fake moustache in church that causes laughter? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
They got Groucho Marx on that! | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
It's fine otherwise. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
It's OK if it's serious? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
If people take it seriously, but if it causes laughter in the church, you're out. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
I think under Thatcher or maybe just after, under John Major, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-there was a Lord Chancellor called Lord Mackay of Clashfern - do you remember him? -Fine man. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
He was a member of the Order known as the Wee Frees, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
who are a very extreme sect of Presbyterians. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
And he was actually expelled from the Wee Frees | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
for attending the wedding of a friend who was a Catholic. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
It was the funeral of a judge who was Catholic, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
and that's consorting with the Antichrist, unfortunately. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
-Just going to a friend's funeral... -He was an elder of the Kirk, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
and had spent his whole life in the Church and he had to go. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Expelled just for going to a friend's funeral. There was a good story about him | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
- I'm not saying any Scottish mean jokes, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
but he was apparently quite a frugal man. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
Apparently he held a tea party for various lawyers | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and procurator fiscals, or whatever they're called in Scotland, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and there was tea, and there was a tiny pot of honey and some toast. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
Someone had this little pot of honey, and one of the lawyers looked at it and said, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
"I see Your Lordship keeps a bee." | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
-A very good line. -He was a fine man, though. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
..and a good lawyer, no doubt. Or he wouldn't have risen to his eminence. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
We have odd flashes of Puritanism, because I was listening to | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
Radio 5 the other day and they had an actress on, not Angelina Jolie, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
but the one who's Lara Croft in the latest Tomb Raider film. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Cut a long story short, they airbrushed her nipples out of the poster. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
Her nipples were showing through her costume, just the two little... | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
But this was radio! | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
Not just for the radio! | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
And she had complained about it and said, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
"Why have you airbrushed my nipples? That's ridiculous. Why not just leave them?" | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
And the presenter said, "Well, perhaps they thought they weren't suitable for children?" | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
Nipples not being suitable for children! | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
-She said, "Are you being serious? My nipples?" -They are expressly designed... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
..for the purpose of the continuation of our race! | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
I did a sitcom for Channel 4 with the lovely Mike McShane. And he played a sex expert | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
and we decided his apartment would have lots of sex things in it. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
And he would have a coat rack made entirely of penises. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
And this went the Channel 4 lawyers and they said, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
"You can have the penises, as long as they're not erect." | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
And I said, "Well, how will it work as a coat rack?" | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
Not my specialist area, but nevertheless! | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
You have to excite your peg before you can hang your coat up. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Right. Royal unfairness, now. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Who got the blame when the Prince of Wales misbehaved? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Seeing we're in Britain, usually the Germans. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Well, they are Germans, so... LAUGHTER | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-Is it this Prince? -It's not actually this one. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
-Is it another Charles? -It's not, actually. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
-All princes of blood. -Edward VIII was always in trouble. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Queen Victoria said, "If I get the right..." | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Earlier ones were often in trouble. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
What I'm really talking about here, I suppose, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
is the business of corporal punishment. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
Until very, very, very recently in human history | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
has it become unfashionable and indeed considered wrong | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
to strike a child for a misdeed. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
-It's now illegal to do so. -Is it? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
-I believe so. -LAUGHTER | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Just on the way here, a small urchin annoyed me! | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
It used to be considered, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
it used to be considered | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
not only empirically but in every other sense a good thing to do. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
How is he holding that child up? He's got his thumb wedged in his... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
It's the only way of holding him up. It's like a bowling ball. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Don't know whether that's Dotheboys Hall from Nicholas Nickleby or similar. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Generally speaking, almost everybody was agreed it was good for children to be beaten. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
There was the Bible, "He who spareth the rod hateth his son. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
"Withhold not correction from your child. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
"Beat him with the rod and thou shall deliver his soul from Hell." Apparently. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
Children were always beaten. We're the first generation... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
-I'm not. I was beaten hugely as a child at prep school. -Were you? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
God, yes. From the age of seven till 13, at least twice a week. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
I was a bad boy and I was always being thrashed. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
-What for? -Oh, stealing, lying, cheating, being cheeky, being a nuisance, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
-evading games... -Bit of a smart arse? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
-Being a smart arse. -Bit too clever for your own good, that sort of thing? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Always telling everybody what was going on? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Well, they certainly beat that out of you, didn't they? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
And I was beaten a great deal and it did me no harm... | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
HE GROANS | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
It was common practice. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
It was outlawed in state schools when? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
When was it actually made law that you were not allowed to strike a child? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-Later than you think. -I'd guess under New Labour. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
-Er, no. -No? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
-'70s? -It was 1986. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
1986? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
1986 when it was made illegal in state schools to beat children, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
and it was a very close vote. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
-Under Margaret Thatcher? -231 to 230. -In state schools? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
By just one. Do you know whom state school children have to thank | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
for the fact they were not beaten from that day forward? It's odd. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-Michael Howard or something? -No. It's even weirder. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-Ann Widdecombe? -No, it's just too weird to be believed. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Fergie, Fergie, Fergie. Dear Duchess of York, Fergie. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
The manager of Manchester United? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
No, the Duchess of York, Fergie, as I just said. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Black Eyed Peas? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
That, I will repeat, Duchess of York, Fergie. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
I hadn't finished my Fergie material. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
A tractor? LAUGHTER | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
A massive Fergie, yes, you could say. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
-Why? -That Fergie. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
Well, it so happened the vote was on that day that she was marrowing... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
-Marrowing? Marrowing Prince Andrew. -LAUGHTER | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
She loved to marrow Prince Andrew. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
I think marrowing the prince is illegal. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
What a great expression. "Have you time for some marrowing?" | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
I'm going to Google that when I get in. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
Apparently, the traffic held-up enough Tory MPs, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
who were likely to have voted to keep beating, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
for the anti-beating measure to go through. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
-Was this a whipped vote? -Wa-hey! | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
I thought you meant she campaigned for it? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
No, no. It just so happened the vote, no, happened. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Entirely inadvertent, she did something useful. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
By mistake. By mistake, she helped. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
When was it, or is it, indeed, illegal in private schools? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
You have to pay extra, though. LAUGHTER | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-I think it isn't, now. -It isn't. -It's very recent. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-Under the Human Rights Act, it must. -Yes. In 1999, basically, is when that stopped being legal. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
Until then, children were beaten. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
They were beaten for making mistakes, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
they were beaten for all kinds of reasons. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
But there was this idea also that you learned better, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
that things could literally be beaten into you, knowledge could be beaten into you. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
So, what happened when it came to a prince? | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
You can't have a commoner, even their tutor, beating a prince | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
because he's made a mistake in his algebra. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
-You beat his teddy? -Well, you appointed someone. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
A child, a friend of the prince, who, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
when the prince made a mistake, you whipped him. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
And that phrase, which is in common currency, is whipping boy. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
-They become peer then, later on, don't they? -Yes. That's the point. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
It was actually a much sought-after post. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Fathers would want their sons to be whipping boy. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
They were close to the Royal Family. Charles I, for example, had a whipping boy when he was a prince | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
and he raised him to the Earl of Dysart, a title that still exists. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
They became quite powerful people. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
The idea was, of course, they would be friends, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
that the prince would like his whipping boy, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
so that he would try hard. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
Obviously sometimes they might think, "I don't bloody care!" | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
It's a most peculiar idea, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
but that's where whipping boy comes from. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
Is there an official title? There are titles like Silver Stick-in-Waiting. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
This could be Crimson Bottom. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
Gentleman of the Stool was an existing one, as you know. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
It was the one who had to wipe the King's bottom under Henry VIII. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
-Can't they do anything themselves? -They seem not to be able to. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
Um, erm, yes... There is a part of... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
-I presume he'd have a long stick. -Yes, I'd assume they would. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
A stick with a rag, do it from a distance. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
-There's a part of Germany... -Oops! | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
-LAUGHTER -Sorry for all the mime. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-I've always wanted to be a mime. -LAUGHTER | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
This is the only opportunity I get. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
It's more fun than walking into the wind. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
I suppose you might be, I don't know! | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
You may think British schoolmasters are amongst the most sadistic, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
but it's to Germany we turn | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
for really good examples of how to treat children. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
In Swabia in west southern Germany, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
there was a headmaster there who logged all his punishments in a book. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
And over his career as headmaster at this school, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
he logged 911,500 canings | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
121,000 floggings, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
as well as numerous other punishments during a 51 year career. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
That's nearly 400 chastisements a week. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Some would have been delegated - he would've been exhausted. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Other punishments he logs include | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
700 boys being made to stand with peas in their shoes - not too bad - | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
and 6,000 made to kneel on the sharp edge of a stick. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
-This was not a nice man. -It's not about the education. There's something more going on there. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
And Eton College had a famous headmaster called Dr Keate - | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
there's a Keate's Lane in Eton - who was known as Flogger Keate. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
He once flogged the entire Eton cricket team | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
for losing to Winchester. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Including the scorer. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
So that was the whipping boy. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
There's a kind of religious equivalent. This poor boy who takes the sins of the prince, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
what was there in the Jewish faith that was the equivalent? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
You've got the lamb or the goat. The goat famously known as the... | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
-Scapegoat! -Exactly. -I was expecting the thing to go off there. -No. That's exactly what they were. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
Scapegoat. There's the famous Holman Hunt painting of The Scapegoat. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
This was during the day of atonement, Yom Kippur, the goat would be sent out | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
to carry the sins of the people, it bore the sins of the people. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
And then Christianity is just a refinement of that, where Christ bore the sins of the people. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
It happens in a lot of religions that you offload your own | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
wickedness onto something else. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
So, it is there from whipping boys to scapegoats. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
They exist in the language still, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
this idea of offloading one's own guilt. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
In the Isle of Man, they had corporal punishment until 1976. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
What type of wood did they administer it with? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
Well, I know I'm going to get a buzz on this | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
because it's normally called birching. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
KLAXON | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
It doesn't matter anyway! | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
So did it depend on how bad you'd been? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
If you were really bad, it was holly, and they left the leaves on, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
but if you weren't so bad, it would be like willow fronds. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
-Balsa wood. -Or balsa wood. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
-Hazel. Yeah, they used hazel. -Hazel. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
In Britain, birching, as it was known, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
was banned in 1948, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
but they didn't stop it until the 1970s in the Isle of Man. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
They tried to keep it by saying, "OK, what about if we let them keep their trousers on?" | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
In America there is still the tradition | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
in some parts of birthday spanking. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Really? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Yeah, where you go to school and because it's your special day, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
as a special treat, the teacher takes the paddle out and you get a few. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
Some people say, "We have to ban it. It's cruel." | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Others say, "No, we can't. It's a tradition." | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
So they have to carry on thrashing the kids. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Weird. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
It's like family Christmas, no-one likes it, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
still, because it's a tradition, everyone has to go through it. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
We get the idea of bringing a tree in for Christmas, that's a German idea. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
Yeah, I don't know. Did we invent Christmas? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
A lot of elements of it. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
I say, come on. Either we invented it or we didn't. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
It's like that terrible joke, I'm sure you must have been told, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
about the couple who adopt a German baby. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
-HENNING LAUGHS -You know it. You must know it. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Is there only one joke that involves a German baby? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
It doesn't speak. Is that the one where he doesn't speak until he's about five? | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
-They take him to be tested. -Want me to say the punchline? | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
-They think, "Is he stupid, deaf, dumb?" -Everything functioning normally. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
ALAN AND HENNING TOGETHER: Then one day... | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
We're all going to say it together! | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
Go on, Alan. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Then they give him, he has some apple strudel. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
-And he says... -"This apfelstrudel is a bit tepid." | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
And they say, "Wolfgang! You've never spoken before! | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
"After all these years, now you finally speak? Why haven't you spoken before?" And he says... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
"Up until now, everything had been satisfactory." | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
It's a great joke. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
-Very pleasing. -Like a relay joke. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
It was. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
This is the most fun a Danish person has had with a German since 1945. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
DON'T MENTION THE WAR BUZZER | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
Oh, dear. There we go... | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
The war. I mean, I have to chip in now. The war. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
"The war". | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
It's always World War II, it's never any of the more current ones. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
"The war". And everyone in Britain takes personal credit for Britain winning it. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
Even people that weren't born at the time of World War II, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
they still take personal credit for Britain winning it. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
I'm personally a lot more annoyed by Brits that are now in their 70s | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and they bang on about how they helped win the war. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Let's quickly do the maths. If you're in your 70s now, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
how old were you at the end of World War II? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
-That's true. -10-years-old? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
How did you help win the war when you were just 10-years-old? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
-You did not help win the war. -By not eating bananas. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
You were nothing but a drain on British resources. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
You've got to admire his guts, haven't you? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Effectively, effectively, every 70-year-old Brit | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
effectively fought on the side of Nazi Germany... | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
..and lost the war every little bit as much as we did! | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
-LAUGHTER -Yes, well. Moving on. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Manx birches were actually made from hazel wands. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Now for a bit more international injustice. Name a French book | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
that can never be translated into German. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
This book was written with the express | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
orders of its author that it was never to be translated into German. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
And, let's be honest, if this book originally was from France, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
there will be a very, very small market in Germany for that anyway. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
They can translate it at all they want, they will just would not find anyone who buys it. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
Somebody who hates the Germans? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
He heated Prussians. That might date him better. Why would a Frenchman hate Prussians? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Because of the Franco-Prussian War - another war, I'm afraid, we don't want to mention. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
At least it's a different one! | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
And we weren't involved. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
Well, we would've won it, had we been involved. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
BUZZER | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
-Yes? -1870s. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
1870s is exactly the year the Franco-Prussian War. Very good. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
-I remember that from school. -Absolutely. Very good. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
-He was a scientist, a great scientist. -Pasteur. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Louis Pasteur is the right answer, who was responsible for... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
He didn't invent pasteurisation, but it's named after him. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
-Why did he take the Germans? -I think it really was the occupation | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
and the attack into French territory. He just was very patriotic. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-Just narrow-mindedness. -And narrow-minded! | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
But, after the war, the Germans discovered a new form of yeast | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
that allowed them to store beer extremely well, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and the German for "to store" is? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
-Lagen. -Lagen, and so they called the beer "lager" beer. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
And it became hugely successful. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And this annoyed the hell out of Pasteur | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
that the Germans that he so hated | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
had basically started to conquer the world of beer. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
-So he set about... -He needed to move on! | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Well, he set about studying how brewing worked - | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
the science of the yeasts and the whole business of making beer. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
And he came up with some really, really, really good yeasts | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
that made even better beer. And he took them around the world. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
He took them to America, to Belgium, to the Whitbread company, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
he took them to the Carlsberg company in Denmark, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
but he refused to take them to Germany. And he wrote a book all about it, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
instructing that it must never be translated into German, that Germans | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
must never get their hands on the secrets of this new better beer. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
-And, of course, the German beer industry collapsed. -LAUGHTER | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Unfortunately it didn't work that well. It turned out rather nicely for the Carlsberg people. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
There is an irony about the whole Pasteur thing. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
When France wanted to get rid of its bullion | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
during the Second World War in case the Germans got hold of it... | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
Its bullion, not its bouillon - its gold, not its chicken stock. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
No, not its chicken stock. That went as well - | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
..it all went to Canada on a single ocean liner | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
called the SS Pasteur. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Oh, really! | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
-So, he kind of got his own back. -He did. -Yeah. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Back home to Britain, now. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
From 1875 to 1956, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
what was the next best thing to a first-class train ticket? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
-Second-class train ticket. -KLAXON | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
That's the problem. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
You weren't to know, being a cursed foreigner and all. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
-They went from first to third. -There was no second-class. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-But there were ladies only carriages. -There were. -That would be quite nice. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
-Yes. -LAUGHTER | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
And there were no smoking carriages, but mostly there were smoking ones. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
-She's got no idea where she's going. -She hasn't! | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
How it came about was that Gladstone insisted there be | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
a third-class service for poorer people and train companies hated it. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
They ran these useless services that were third-class only, known as parliamentary trains. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
They were no good to anybody, just to apply the law. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Then they had a smarter idea and they said, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
"We'll upgrade the third-class to second-class | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
"but call it third-class and get rid of the second-class. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
"So we're obeying the law by having a third-class, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
"but it'll cost what second-class used to cost." | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
It's a very bizarre British solution. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
They had an influence - I found this out making a documentary - | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
it had an influence on the way suburban housing developed in London. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Because the train companies wouldn't sell third-class tickets in the outer suburbs | 0:30:20 | 0:30:27 | |
because they didn't want the trains filling up with poor people, they didn't pay as much money | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
as the first-class people, so they wouldn't sell the tickets. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
That's why London's developed, and that's why there are bigger houses | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
-on the outside, and smaller houses on the inside. -I thought it was because of the smoke. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
The big selling point for trains was you could move out of London | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
to a nice green field and get away from the dirt, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
so people wanted to do that, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
but all the development was along the line of the railways. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
They didn't bother building cheap housing further out | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
cos no-one could get into London because the trains wouldn't let you on. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
They had clever ways. How do you think they used chimney sweeps? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
-On the railway? -Yes. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Strapped to the front of the train, keeping the rails clean. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
No, it was a very naughty trick. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
They'd sit in third-class? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
Yeah, what train companies hated were the genteel people, clerks, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
who didn't have much money but had to be well-dressed. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
What they would do is they would put chimney sweeps in | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
and put soot over them so third-class carriages | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
were so dirty, these people thought, "Oh, God. I've got to pay the first-class fare." | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
Don't say this out loud. I'm sure Ryanair will have an idea! | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
-IRISH ACCENT: -Brilliant! We'll do the same thing! | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Or easyJet, since you're in easyJet's colours. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
I'm sure it didn't happen all over, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
but these were some of the tricks they resorted to, apparently. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
-Which one's Dick Van Dyke? -They're really happy, aren't they? | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
They do look happy. Happy, lucky sweeps. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
Now for some sporting iniquity. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
What did cricketer Thomas White invent in 1771? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
The Yorker. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
The Yorker. To hear a German say, "the Yorker" gives me great pleasure. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
-I don't know what it means. -It's a fully pitched-up ball. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
-Great to hear a German say it. -What's a googly, then? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
-A googly is a... -KLAXON | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
A googly is a leg spinner's off-spin. It's disguised. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
-Comes out the back of your hand. -How does the Duckworth-Lewis method work? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
Nobody knows that! Far too complicated. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
No, he didn't invent any particular type of bowling or batting, but he looked at the laws of cricket | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
and he noted that there was a rather glaring omission and he thought, "Splendid." | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
-Oh, the big bat! -Yes, he came up with a bat that was wider than the wicket. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
-LAUGHTER -This enormous bat. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
It was Chertsey Vs Hambledon, which is the equivalent of Surrey Vs Hampshire. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
After 1774, they incorporated a law that said a bat must be | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
no wider than four and-a-half inches. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
-Did you know there were special golf rules for the Second World War? -Were there? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
In Kent during the Battle of Britain. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
-I can't remember exactly what it is... -Sorry, Henning, the war's come up again. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
And bunker! | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
The rule was, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
if a player's stroke is interrupted by the simultaneous | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
explosion of a bomb or by machine gunfire, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
they may take the stroke again. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
But there's a penalty of one stroke. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
They may take it again, if they are still there to take it. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
I did a play with Paul Eddington | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
and he had a much-treasured thing from a hotel room in Bristol | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
during the war, which was a card with a little bit of cord and it said, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
"Please hang outside your room if you wish to be awoken during an air-raid." | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
-LAUGHTER -Splendidly phlegmatic. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Do you now there was a game, I think, on St Helena, | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
and they were playing on a pitch which was by a cliff edge. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
And the gentleman ran back to catch the ball, and did catch it | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
and then fell unfortunately, and it was put down as "caught (dead)". | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
That's got to be a six because it's over the boundary, isn't it? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
There was a game in Norfolk played, and this is towards late summer. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
People who play village cricket will be very familiar with the sight of late swooping swallows. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
And a batsman played a shot | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
and the fielder leapt to his right and caught a swallow. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
Fantastic. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
This fellow, Thomas White, I suppose you could call him a cheat, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
but he was within the game's laws at the time. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
There was an American footballer, Lester Hayes. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
Does that ring any bells? Of the Oakland Raiders. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
He had such success as a catcher in the late '70s | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
that he was the defensive player of the year. The reason was that he covered his hands | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
and gloves with an adhesive called Stickum. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
He actually admitted, he said, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
"Without Stickum, I couldn't catch a cold in Antarctica." | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
That's so clearly cheating. They must've spotted it. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
There was no a rule against it. They had to introduce one, so there now is. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
There's a very good PG Wodehouse story about cheating at boxing. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
There was an American chap, I think called McCoy. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
And his opponent was stone deaf. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
The opponent said, "I won't hear when the bell goes, will you tell me?" | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
"Yes, absolutely." So they were boxing away and he said the bell had gone. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
And the guy went, "OK," like that, and he just punched him. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
That's taking advantage as well as cheating. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
And in 1951, the St Louis Browns baseball team | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
brought a three foot seven inch tall player | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
called Eddie Gaedel out to bat | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
and crouched over at the plate. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
His strike zone, which, as you know, the pitcher has to hit, was one and a half inches high. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
The pitcher couldn't get anywhere near. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
So, four balls, he walked to first base and was immediately subbed. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
So it's kind of like cheating but isn't. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
That's not cheating. You can scarcely have a rule that says... | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Quite. That says you can't have people of restricted growth. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
It's all very tricky. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
There was a jockey at Belmont in New York who, in 1923, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
died of a heart attack when on a horse and won. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-The horse won. -Oh, right. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Of course, the bookies didn't want to pay out. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
A rule said that a jockey had to be in the saddle | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
but there was no rule to say he had to be alive! | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
He was a brilliant jockey if he clung on even though he was dead! | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
-Exactly! Pretty amazing. -Keep going! | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
The lucky punters were paid out. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
And so to that part of the show that's always | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
unfair at the very best of times, General Ignorance. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Fingers on buzzers, if you would. Here is the Old Bailey. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
-What is the statue of Justice on top looking at? -Oh, God. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
BUZZER Nothing. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
-Why's that? -She's blindfolded. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
KLAXON | 0:36:47 | 0:36:48 | |
-No, she's not. -She's not? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
No, you can see, there. No blindfold. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
That particular statue is not blindfolded, but sometimes it is. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
People often at the Old Bailey would say, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
"Members of the jury, if you look up... | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
"Blindfolded..." | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
People would go, "He wasn't even telling the truth about that!" | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
There are many statues of Lady Justice, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
some of which are blindfolded and some of which aren't. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
What can you legally do if you come across a Welshman | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
in Chester after sunset? | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
These are all laws that got abolished 300 years ago. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
-Nonsense. -It's just always repeated. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
You cannot shoot them. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
Yes, as you rightly say, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
one of these nonsensical things that people cling onto with great sort of pride, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
which are nonsensical. Beautiful city, Chester, by the way. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
There was an edict under Henry V at the time of Owain Glyndwr | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
that presumably he gave out, which is a wartime command. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
It's not a law. In any case, any subsequent laws on manslaughter | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
and offensive weapons in public cancel out. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
How? How would you know? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
I know this as when I did a documentary on going round America, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
one of the ideas we had before we started was | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
should I maybe break one of these stupid laws in each state? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
The more we investigated them, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
the more we found they were absolutely without foundation. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
So you just talked to people instead? | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
I thought, "I'll go and wear a silly moustache and make someone laugh in a church." | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
They said, "That's nonsense. I don't know how that got in there." | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
It was made up by Mark Twain or somebody at some point. I hate to disappoint, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
but a lot of these things are nonsense - | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
the idea that you can shoot arrows down Petty Cury in Cambridge as long as you're wearing Lincoln green. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:31 | |
The idea that an ancient law has to be repealed, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
even if it allows you to do murder is nonsense. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
-Isn't it? -Yes, well... | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
What's the principle called there? | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
-I think we're talking of leges posteriores priores contrarias abrogant. -Absolutely. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
-Had you forgotten that, Clive? -It was on the tip of my tongue. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
If putting things on the tip of your tongue weren't illegal | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
-under some ancient statute. -It's an established legal principle to the effect that | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
if a subsequent statute contradicts an existing law, the existing law is repealed by implication. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
God, I'm glad I wasn't a lawyer. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Recently, they've tried to get rid of all these Latin things as well | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
-as it's confusing to people. -But isn't that the point? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Yes, that has been the argument of the lawyers. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
We like it if nobody knows what we're talking about. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Where are the enemy in this picture? | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
It's a good question. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:24 | |
-The guy on the right's definitely not sure. -He's puzzled. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Why you pointing over there? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
-I'm with the reds! -I read law at university | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
and was lucky enough to be taught by Lord Denning. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
And I helped compile the index to his last book. Really dull. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
I remember saying to him, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
"Why is it so complicated to look up legal cases?" | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
He looked at me over his glasses and said, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
"Well, we don't want just anyone doing it." | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
Why did lepers start carrying bells? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
Well... | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
-DON'T MENTION THE WAR BUZZER -I forgot about that. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
LAUGHTER We haven't! | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
I don't know. Probably it wasn't their choice to wear the bells. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Probably it was more the other people telling them | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
to wear bells so they could escape. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
-KLAXON -As a warning, you mean. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
No, to keep people away. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
It was to attract people to give them alms. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Not arms in that sense. To give them money. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
"I've lost my arms, please give me some alms." | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
-No, to give them money. -Come here and give me money. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
After the Black Death and the extraordinary decimation of the population in Europe, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
sickness become something people were much more worried about. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
Then the bells were used as a warning, but they were originally used to attract people. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
People were not that frightened of lepers, and for good reason. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Leprosy is nothing like as infectious as people think it is. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
For a start, 90% of the human race is immune to it. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Most of us are unlikely ever to catch it, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
even if we were to lick a leper. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
LAUGHTER Now, there's a game show! | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Why do I see Noel Edmonds presenting that? | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
Wish is father of the thought. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
It's quite hard to catch, it's nothing like the jokes of bits falling off and so on. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
You can get nerve damage, which, if not attended to, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
can lead to necrosis of the ends of the fingers, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
but the idea that bits fall off you is good for jokes but not true. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
Well, unpleasant jokes. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
Never let the truth stand in the way of a mediocre joke. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
Exactly. A mediocre joke, exactly right. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
Now, which of you has the fewest hairs on your head? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Well, may I just volunteer myself? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
So it's me. I'm going to lose 10 points... | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
KLAXON | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
-..and even more hair, being annoyed about that. -It's one of the strange things. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
There's a splendid man, Dr George Cotsarelis | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
at the department of dermatology at the University of Pennsylvania. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
He has determined that, actually, you have the same number of hairs on the scalp as everyone else. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
It's just some of them are only visible under a microscope. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
So that's roughly like not having them, really. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
-LAUGHTER -No! | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
By the same token, humans may look less hairy than chimpanzees, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
but we've the same number of hair follicles, about five million, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
on our bodies as chimpanzees. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
But the whole thing of hair is very annoying. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
If I'd never bought a pair of tweezers, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
I'd have appeared down to here. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
You get hair that grows in the places you don't want it | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and then hair that doesn't grow where you do want it. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Hair that doesn't stop on your head. It keeps growing, so you have to get it cut. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
And then your eyebrows, if you're a man, know when to stop | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
until you get a bit later in life and then it stops knowing when to stop. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
You could comb them up over your bald patch. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:45 | 0:42:46 | |
I've tried that! | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
Looked a little odd, but, you know, it's an option. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Well, you never know. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
And so we come to the scores. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
These are very interesting, and it would be very unfair of me not to share them with you. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
-So, that's all from Sandi, Henning, Clive, Alan and me. -LAUGHTER | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Because, as William Goldman said, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
"Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death." | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
That's all. Goodnight. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:10 | |
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