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Hi, I'm Clive Holland,

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and I'm on a mission to run those cowboy builders out of town.

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I walked in and was absolutely horrified.

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The house, basically, was anything but complete.

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All over Britain,

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people are having their lives ruined by these unscrupulous chancers,

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and it's got to stop.

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If anything happens to what's left up there,

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it's going to have an effect on this house.

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And there'll be bricks and rubble

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and that coming through the roof, and goodness knows what.

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But I've got the good guys in my posse to help give these horror stories a happy ending.

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I remember him saying, "I'm not trying to rip you off, Deb."

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And with hindsight now, that's absolutely what he was doing.

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So do yourself a favour, and take some notes.

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Because what you're about to witness could well keep you

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out of the cowboy trap.

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Today, Cowboy Trap is on the northeast coast,

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in the small seaside town of Seaham.

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Seaham was once the unlikely home of the mad, bad and dangerous-to-know

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poet Byron, who wrote a couple of his most famous poems here.

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More recently, Seaham was a mining town,

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its harbour shipping coal to London.

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But these days, Seaham's main claim to fame is its gorgeous beaches.

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Another famous former Seaham resident

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is the footballer Paul Gascoigne,

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who owned a massive grade II listed mansion here.

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And if you remember, Gazza cried in the 1990 World Cup finals

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when he was playing for England. But you know what?

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Today's cowboy builder story is also enough to make a grown man cry.

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Make no mistake, this is a cowboy trap with brass knobs on -

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a tale of shameful handiwork, shattered dreams,

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and wait for it - a life-threatening piece of bodged structural work

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that could quite literally bring the house down.

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We're here to meet Debby Sutcliffe,

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who works as a manager for voluntary organisations helping people

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who have problems with drug and alcohol abuse.

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In the last couple of years, Debby has had to fork out £8,000 to

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try and fix a bodged build. And her house still isn't right.

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She is up to her eyes in the cowboy trap.

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In 2009, after a painful divorce,

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Debby made the bold decision to move from her home in Scarborough up to Seaham.

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It was 70 miles away, and Debby was sad to leave her friends

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and family behind.

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But she was desperate to start afresh.

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Leaving Scarborough and leaving what I was leaving behind in Scarborough,

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particularly my friends, it did make it quite important

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that the property I bought had the right feel

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and location was quite important,

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because I was moving totally on my own, with no friends or

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family in this area. I needed to feel quite safe and secure.

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Debby had a dream.

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Divorced and now having to go it alone, she wanted to be

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financially secure, and what better way than through bricks and mortar?

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After some intensive house hunting, Debby was relieved to find

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a place which ticked all the boxes - a two-bedroom terraced house.

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It was in need of some serious renovation,

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but for Debby, it was love at first sight.

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It was very reasonably priced.

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It clearly needed some updating, but the good price that it

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was gave me the confidence that I'd actually have enough money to be able to do the work.

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It gave me the opportunity to put my little stamp on it and make it my little palace.

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But transforming it into a palace was going to be no easy task.

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Much needed to be done just to bring it up to date - rewiring,

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plumbing, a damp course for starters.

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And Debby didn't want to stop there.

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I wanted the chimney breast taken down in the dining room

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and the spare bedroom,

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and a garage extension and a porch on the front,

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new garage roof, sunroom at the back, the windows that

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weren't already double glazed, new windows putting in.

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Debby was also keen to reduce heating bills in years to come,

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so she wanted insulation throughout.

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She wanted part of the garage converted into a utility room.

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And the final piece of the jigsaw - plastering throughout

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and new doors, door frames and skirting boards.

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It was clearly an ambitious project.

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Being quite new to the area,

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Debby didn't know how to go about finding a reputable builder,

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so it came as a great relief when a friend at work suggested her

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son, who runs a small building company.

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Now, she was really happy with the recommendation

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so close to home, and decided not to take up any further references.

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Big mistake!

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Take my advice - if you're looking for a builder, always

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check out examples of their previous work.

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This work needs to be a similar job to what you need doing.

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The more references from satisfied customers you can get, the better.

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Rather than doing that, Debby decided to meet up with the builder

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to talk through her dream, and see if she felt he was up to the job.

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He talked the talk, everything seemed fine,

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and there was nothing that

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alerted me, that made me think,

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you know, he wouldn't do the job that he said he would do,

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and that I hoped he would do.

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But then, Debby made another basic error.

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Debby let slip that she'd got £40,000 available to get

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the work done, and when the builder's quote came in,

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guess what - you got it - it was for £40,000. Was that a coincidence?

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Of course it wasn't.

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Here's my top tip - never tell your builder exactly how much money you've got to play with.

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Put the onus on them to come up with a price,

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and give you a written quotation.

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In fact, my rule of thumb is - get three quotes.

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Debby agreed to the £40,000.

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And the builder promised

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if he started in August it would all be done and dusted by December.

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He asked Debby to pay him in four instalments of £10,000,

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the first upfront to buy materials.

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Debby did as he asked, and moved out into rented accommodation,

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because the house was going to be uninhabitable during the build.

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When she returned to take a look at their work, her heart sank.

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It was the plastering in the dining room - I remember walking in one day when they were here,

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and just looking up at the ceiling, and asking if they were drunk when they plastered the ceiling.

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And was then told, "Don't get hung up on that - it all smooths out

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"when you paint it."

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And that was when I knew that things weren't right.

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And when she went upstairs to her bedroom, she was gobsmacked.

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I actually questioned the windowsill in here,

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and was told that I'd asked them to leave it like this.

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Believe it or not, this is clean.

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And apparently I'd said I liked wood and wanted it leaving.

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Debby started to wonder just where her money was going.

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There was something in the garage and I clearly had questioned something.

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And I remember him saying, "I'm not trying to rip you off, Deb."

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And with hindsight now, that's absolutely what he was doing.

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But it wasn't just value for money which was a concern -

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so was the schedule.

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The builder kept on promising he'd be finished on December 23rd like

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they agreed, but Debby was convinced he was running behind,

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and for her it was a race against the clock.

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She was desperate to move in for her dream Christmas.

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Fast forward to just three days before Christmas.

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The lease was up on Debby's rented house and so she decided to

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take a day off work and go and visit the removals men who were

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delivering her furnishings to a newly refurbished home.

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But I can tell you now - the tidings were far from comfort and joy.

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Rather than a palace ready to move into for Christmas,

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Debby was faced with a house of horror.

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I walked in and was absolutely horrified.

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The house, basically, was anything but complete.

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There weren't skirting boards in any of the rooms,

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there were floorboards up in one of the bedrooms

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and at the top of the stairs, which would have made it

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impossible for removals to safely have moved furniture up there.

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Obviously, carpets couldn't go down because there were no skirting boards,

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and the place was just filthy.

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The builders had left a total mess,

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and neither the electrics nor gas were working.

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Debby tried to phone the builder, but he took some tracking down.

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I finally got hold of the builders to be told that they'd finished,

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that as far as they were concerned they'd completed the works.

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Debby couldn't believe her ears - or her eyes.

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She'd forked out 40 grand and her home looked like a bomb site.

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But with her rental lease up, she had no choice but to move in.

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It wasn't the Christmas present she'd been hoping for.

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I hope her builder had a nice Christmas,

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because Debby certainly didn't.

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She spent it all alone on a building site.

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I hope I never have to go through that again.

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No kitchen, no bathroom, house total shambles - wrecked, really.

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I just didn't want anybody coming to the door,

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didn't want anybody feeling sorry for me,

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and, you know, kind of Christmas Day -

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cooking your lunch on a camping stove and a microwave.

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Not good.

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The builder came back briefly in the new year,

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but never looked like finishing the job.

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When he had the gall to ask for a further three grand,

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it was the final straw.

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Debby asked him to leave.

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All my hopes and dreams for the house

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when I moved in and all the security and safety and financial

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security that I was after - I basically got exactly the opposite.

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Over the past couple of years, Debby has managed to get

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some cash together to repair some of the botched work.

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But nothing could repair the damage these guys had done

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to her self-esteem.

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And I'm worried about that chimney breast they removed -

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that's no job for a cowboy.

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But first, I need to find out more.

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-Aha, you must be Debby.

-I am.

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-I'm Clive from Cowboy Trap. How are you?

-Fine, thank you.

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Nice to see you. Now I hear you've had problems with cowboy builders.

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-D'you mind if I come in, and you can talk me through it?

-Absolutely not.

-Great.

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As soon as I stepped through the door, it's clear Debby has spent a lot of money on fixing

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the cowboy builder's botched job.

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I'd usually come into devastation. Looking at this, it looks fine.

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So my question is, in terms of the problems, what's your major?

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Well, NOW - one of the reasons that you're here today is

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to have a look in the loft, because the chimney breast

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had been taken down and it's been left unsupported.

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-OK. So chimney breast has come out on two levels?

-Two levels.

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And they've left all the masonry floating above?

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-Is that what you're saying?

-Yes.

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Well, I need to get a closer look at that.

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-In terms of the loft, now, I know I'm only a small guy...

-Obviously!

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Nine stone wet through. D'you think I'll actually get in there?

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I think you'll do it, Clive.

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OK, great. Well, listen. If you don't mind, d'you mind sticking the kettle on?

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We'll have a cup of tea, then we'll have a chat later.

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-But first I want to get up to that loft.

-OK.

-All right. Thanks, Debby.

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Joking apart, if you don't remove a chimney breast properly,

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it can come down on you like a ton of bricks.

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Debby has performed a minor miracle by fixing much of the cosmetic work here.

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But she's done the right thing to call for help, because it's the

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structural damage that cowboys do that's the most dangerous.

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A bit of a tight squeeze.

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Oh, yeah! That looks dodgy all right.

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Let's take a closer look.

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Seems my fears were justified. This needs sorting, and fast.

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Oh, look at that. I see.

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Now, interestingly enough, they've almost done an inverted V

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removing that brickwork there,

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so it's displacing the weight either side of the V down onto a

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suspended roof joist. It's just floating in mid-air, really, on both sides.

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And then they've got a little bit of 2x2 noggin battening at the back,

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that seems to be supporting it.

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But it's not the way to do things.

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Now if you imagine, normally if you're taking a chimney breast out,

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you'd take a chimney breast out and you'd take it out

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downstairs - above, you'd have it all Acrowed up,

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and rather than like that in an inverted V displacing weight either side,

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you'd actually get yourself an RSJ - bang - right under the bottom area of where the bedroom is,

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to support all that weight of masonry

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because there's a few tonne there of brickwork,

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and if that was to ever come tumbling down and crashing down,

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I think it's Debby's bed that's right under there, or somebody's bed.

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Now, you can imagine how dangerous that is going to.

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And worse still, it seems the masonry's already on the move.

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You can see a slight bit of movement down the right-hand

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side there of the inverted V - there's a long crack that

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runs for about five feet around the brickwork.

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I've got to say, it's certainly not clever.

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It looks like we got here just in time.

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I've got a horrible feeling Debby made a crucial mistake when this build started.

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A mistake which could have cost her her life.

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Did you call in building control?

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No, I had no idea I needed them in.

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I was oblivious of that until the surveyor came the other week.

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So, no.

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And when the surveyor came, he told you the problem's with?

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-The chimney.

-Yeah.

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Basically that had been unsupported.

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OK, the chances of a lot of masonry come crashing down.

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So it just doesn't then come onto finances or emotions?

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No, that's life and death.

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That comes on to life and death, that's correct.

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'Take my advice, chimneys are part of the structure of your house

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'and removing them is always a serious business.'

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You'll need a structural engineer involved

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and approval from building control.

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If you do anything to a party wall - that's one you share

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with your neighbours - you'll need their consent in writing.

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What you've got to understand is, you're employing these people,

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and if they do anything wrong you need to broach the subject.

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Don't bury your head.

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Because if something like this...

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You've got an alarm bell right at the beginning - the 40 grand.

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I'm telling you now, there'll be mega alarm bells right up to, you know,

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great big air horn warning systems going off by the end of the build.

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Which is obviously what has happened.

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Listen, the main thing is now you know what dangers you've been left with.

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We would particularly like to concentrate on that area

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of the work, because it is so dangerous.

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And we really want to be getting on with that.

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If anything, it's for peace of mind.

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We're going to get the good guys in.

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We're going to address that.

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-Can I keep them?

-Of course.

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Can I build a little shed for them?

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-Of course you can, you can keep them in your garden.

-Thank you.

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How's that? But, we're going to... I'll have to ask their permission, of course.

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But I'm sure they'll look after you and will get the job done.

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But before we get cracking, I want a second opinion from an independent surveyor.

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Peter Fall has checked out the chimney,

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and now I'm going to pick his brains.

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What's not to your liking?

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Basically, he's taken away all of the support that held

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the chimney breast in the loft space in position.

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Let's remember, when that chimney stack was first built,

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he built it off a foundation on the ground.

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All the load went down on the ground.

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He tied it back to the party wall, between the two houses,

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just to stop it falling over.

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-Not to hold it up.

-Yeah.

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So what he's gone and done now, he's taken everything

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away between the foundation and the roof and left nothing.

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However, not quite nothing.

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Because what he did do is put a piece of wood in.

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-What he's gone and done, he's rested that on the ceiling joists.

-Yow.

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We are big guys.

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-Those ceilings are not meant for you and me to ballroom dance on there.

-They're not.

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They're meant to hold the plot.

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The ceiling joists were never, ever intended to carry the chimney.

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To carry that sort of load bear?

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So what's he got? He's got it on the ceiling joists it can't cope with,

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and he's got nothing else between that

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and the foundation underneath the ground floor.

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What's the worst case scenario? Just spell it out to us.

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In the short-term, the mortar that's literally holding

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it in place will gradually degrade with age.

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It will slacken, the bricks will become loose,

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the load will settle down a bit more on top of the joists.

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Until eventually the joists says, "Hey, this is too much weight."

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Now, the work you've seen so far, I need a mark out of ten for, as usual.

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What sort of score would you give that?

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-Oh, Clive.

-I've got a feeling.

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You know my scoring system.

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I am so depressed when I see this from the building industry.

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It isn't normal to see it like this.

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He's made a good job of taking it out of the bedroom beneath.

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Let's give him two or three points for that, and that's it.

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And I might even take one or two points back off him for just not

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thinking hard about what he'd done for the bit that's left in the loft.

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It's not only Debby that's affected by this chimney travesty.

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So is next door neighbour, Kenneth Stockdale.

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The chimney joins the two houses together.

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I do know that if anything happens to what's left up there,

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it's going to have an effect on this house and there will be bricks

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and rubble and that coming through the roof, and goodness knows what.

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That's a major worry.

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And it's not just the chimney that concerns Kenneth.

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He is also worried about the impact all the stress has

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had on Debby's health.

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She's been really depressed.

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She really has. And, er...

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..how she rises above that,

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I don't know, given the circumstances she's in.

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She had dreams and those dreams have gone.

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But perhaps we can help Debby's dreams get back on track.

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Here come our knights in shining armour, led by Joe Dixon.

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Time for a powwow about his plan of action.

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Just try and describe to us what you intend to do.

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So imagine, we've got the inverted V, what do you intend to do?

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On the bottom, you see where the chimney breast would have come down in this area here?

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Yes.

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Above in that area, what they put in is a bit of scrap,

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heavy timber, literally resting across...

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To me, it only looks like about 2x2?

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Yeah, it's poor, it's poor.

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We need to look at putting a steel bracket, if you can imagine,

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up into there where the chimney breast has come down in that V.

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There's a bracket that needs to be put up to support the brickwork

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which is protruding approximately 400ml out from there.

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So that bracket then takes the bearing.

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Listen, Joe, what I'm going to do, I'll leave you to it.

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It's great to have the good guys on board.

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And then we'll pop back and see how you're getting on.

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Brilliant, see you soon.

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-I'll let you carry on.

-Thanks, bye.

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As an added bonus and a nice little surprise for Debby,

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I've also asked John to do some work on her bodged utility room.

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How anyone could think this is finished is beyond me.

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The plastering is pants, the tiling is shoddy,

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and there's that hole in the ceiling.

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And don't get me started on the doorway!

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And that horrible trunking to the light switch. Eugh!

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Joe and his team waste no time getting started.

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They get to work on that useless utility room,

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and like Santa at Christmas, they head off to the chimney.

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The sooner that's fixed, the safer.

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Can they secure that stack so Debby can sleep easy at night?

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And will their work pass building regulations

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so Debby's house gets a belated clean bill of health?

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Only time will tell.

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I'm back in Seaham on the northeast coast,

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where recently-divorced Debby Sutcliffe decided to make

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the brave decision to start a new life away from her family and friends.

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But her dream home soon turned into the stuff of nightmares,

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when the builder she hired to undertake the renovation work turned out to be a cowboy.

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Our good guys have now finished their work,

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and I'm here to find out if they've saved the day.

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Before I talk it through with Debby, I can't resist taking a sneaky peek.

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My first destination...the utility room.

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Oh yeah, now this looks totally different and really clean and bright.

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The walls have obviously been plastered

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and there was some horrible trunking down to the light switch which didn't look nice.

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That's all been taken away, painted, worktop.

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I'm loving the gloss units in here as well,

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this is like a proper, working utility room.

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And we've got great flooring too.

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Skirting boards painted, everything looks really good.

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I am liking that.

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Pleased about the utility room, but the real proof of the pudding

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when assessing our good guys' work lies upstairs.

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Now, if you remember the real problem was up in the loft.

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We had that inverted V of the chimney breast that wasn't supported.

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Potential for all those bricks to fall down.

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I'm hoping our guys have done their job properly

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and that way we can get building control sign-off.

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But the one thing I hate, and maybe you do too, is getting up these lofts.

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Particularly today, it's dirty up there and it's hot and sticky.

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But anyway, it's important we go and have a look.

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Oh, room for a small one.

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Wow!

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It's immediately apparent, we've closed this particular can of worms.

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If you remember, we'd got... All of that masonry on the inverted V was floating in thin air.

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Well, it was sort of on a trimmer, but that was doing nothing,

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that's a lot of weight of masonry.

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Now we've got that steel in place, this is the thing that

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building control were concerned about, this whole chimney breast removal.

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They want to see exactly that and that will give us the sign-off, I'm pretty sure.

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But for me now, that is taking all the weight of that masonry.

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And the thing more importantly is,

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it's taking the worry away from Debby.

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She was sleeping below and always concerned that one day all this might come tumbling down.

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Not any more it won't, because that is a job well done.

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Phew, what a relief.

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Now, before I talk it through with Debby, I want a powwow about her cowboy builder.

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I wanted to find out his side of the story.

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So I could hear her responses to his version of events.

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Unfortunately, that's proved easier said than done.

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We've worked really hard to try and track him down, but we've had no luck.

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Now, this is rare that we haven't managed to get hold of him.

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It interesting because, if I remember rightly,

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from when we were doing the chat before, that he was...

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-Was he a brother or...?

-A son.

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A son of somebody you worked with.

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Why do you think we're having the difficulty of tracking him?

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I really don't know.

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I know he's not trading any more because I did a search for them just before the programme,

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and I know that they're listed on Companies House as no longer trading.

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Right, OK.

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But other than that, I don't know.

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We've really had a struggle, I tell you.

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And we don't leave any stone unturned when we try and track these guys down.

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But to not have any of the numbers working,

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he's obviously wanting to disappear.

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Because there's got to be a reason.

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Anybody that feels they've done a good job would have been there...

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-Defending it.

-..defending it.

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On this occasion he hasn't.

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However, we have had the good guys in to your property

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and I can't wait to show you what they are capable of.

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Now, we're going from the bad news to the good news.

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Good news indeed! Hear all about it.

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Now, I can't ask Debby to squeeze into the loft with yours truly,

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that would be a denial of her human rights!

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So we're going to talk it through in her now-safe bedroom.

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Now, Debby, normally at this stage I would be opening a door and going, "Ta-dah."

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And we'd be able to see something nice and bright and shiny.

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On this occasion it is quite nice, it is quite bright and it is quite shiny,

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but all it is is a chunk of metal that is actually holding up

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that remnants now of the brickwork from the chimney breast.

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It didn't meet building control, it was in breach of building regulations.

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But, not any longer.

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Our good guys have been in, they've done the job.

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And because they've done such a cracking job on this stack,

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I have in my hand a piece of paper that guarantees peace of mind in our time.

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It's a certificate, but it's important.

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It might only be paper, but it's important.

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Because this gives you now, this is the regularisation certificate.

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And it means now the chimney breast and all of the work that's

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been carried out on it, to do all of the remedial works, is now...

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There's your certificate and it's no longer in breach of building regs.

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I want you to keep hold of that now because it's important.

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In the future if you ever sold your property, yeah?

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That goes with the new incumbents.

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You might not sell it, but at least now you are above board and legal.

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Good! That's really good.

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I mean, I didn't even know I was supposed to get this, or that the builders were.

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Having got it retrospectively, fabulous.

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-You're happy with it?

-Yes.

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Now that's sorted, we can move on.

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Debby has seen the work going on in her utility room,

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but now I'm about to reveal the finished results in all their glory.

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-That is amazing, isn't it?

-It looks so much bigger, as well.

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It's nice, it's got clean lines.

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I'm loving the white units, those gloss, white units look fantastic.

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And there's no brush marks on the ceiling and all the chunking is all gone.

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-Yes, the chunking's gone from the light switch.

-Brilliant, that's great.

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-So that looks better, flooring down as well.

-Shiny.

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How much of a difference is this going to make now?

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You've got a utility room you can actually use as a utility room.

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The extra space is great.

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-I'm not going to be like, fighting my way between utilities as I was before, so yes.

-Yeah?

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And probably going to have to use it now though, aren't I?

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I think you are, I definitely think you are.

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So, the main thing is now, are you happy?

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-You know there are good guy builders out there.

-Mm-hm.

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You've just got to search for them.

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'Yeah, seek and ye shall find. That's my motto.'

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What a great result, that chimney breast is now as safe as houses.

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And once again, Debby can sleep soundly at night.

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And what about that utility room? It looks a real cracker.

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This has been a long and drawn-out saga,

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but at least we've got Debby back on track.

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And for all you cowboy builders that are watching at home, I've got one thing to say -

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I'm fed up of your cock and bull stories and we are coming at ya!

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