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'I've battled for consumer rights for years, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
'but it seems some companies are still not getting the message.' | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
The consumer is technically paying your wages | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
and keeping your company afloat. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
'Day in, day out, thousands of you are being taken for a ride | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
'and it's always the same old things - | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
'shoddy products, the small print and bad customer service.' | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
Customer service is really important | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
and, if a company's good, I'll go back to it. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
'Too right! But some firms are driving you barmy, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
'causing you sleepless nights | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
'and making you feel like you're the one to blame.' | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
But don't despair, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
because I'll take them on to make sure you don't get done. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
'We work hard all year round and when we take a well-earned break, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
'there's nothing quite like it - relaxing, sun-filled skies | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
'and good times.' | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
But what happens when your holiday | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
turns out to be nothing like what you were expecting? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
'Unfortunately, that's what happened to Dave and Leonie Robinson. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
'They shelled out £560 | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
'for what they hoped would be a family holiday to remember. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'But as their photos show, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
'sadly, it ended up being one they'll never forget. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
'Their Pontins journey began when Leonie and Dave had just celebrated | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
'the birth of their son, Jacob. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
'With two other children, James and Oliver, money was tight. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
'When it came to booking their yearly holiday, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
'Leonie and Dave decided to stay in the UK and take their family on a trip down memory lane.' | 0:01:33 | 0:01:39 | |
We decided to go to Pontins because of my memories as a child. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
I have memories of it being fun and happy, things like that, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
lots of activities for the children to do. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
They can experience the memories that I had as a child. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
'After flicking through the glossy Pontins brochure, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
'Leonie and Dave decided to take their family | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
'to the Brean Sands park in Somerset.' | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
When I rang Pontins and asked about the sites, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
they said this was one of their best sites, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
so we thought this would be the one for us. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
'Then after taking a look on the Pontins website, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
'images like this sealed the deal.' | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
We expected Pontins to be a lovely holiday. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
We thought it would be clean and tidy. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
We thought we'd have space, where the children could be in the chalet. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
We've caravanned before, and with a new baby we thought it would be too small to do that. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
So we decided to book one of their chalets. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
The children were very excited that they would meet the Crocodile Club | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
and do the things that were advertised in the brochure. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
'But when the family arrived at the Brean Sands park, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
'the reality shattered all their dreams.' | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
When we first got there, we realised that there was a lot of heavy machinery about - | 0:02:51 | 0:02:57 | |
concrete mixers, things like that. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
At least 50% of the site was getting refurbished, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
which we weren't told about when we booked the holiday. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
I nearly cried when I walked in. The room was horrible. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
The entrance looked like it had been kicked in. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
The window wouldn't lock, so when they fixed it, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
they had to screw it shut so we didn't have a window to open in the middle of summer. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
What bed linen we had had holes in it. The bathroom was filthy. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
'After the initial distress, Leonie and Dave headed to reception to complain.' | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
They said, "We can't do anything. You have to go to where you collected your linen from." | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
They sorted the basic bits out - | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
the lack of pillows and duvets and things. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
We were still in a dirty tiny room where we had to move the furniture round to get us all in. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
'Leonie and Dave tried to remain upbeat for the sake of the children | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
'and decided to take them swimming, which is what they love to do.' | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
We booked Pontins after asking specifically whether their water slide was working. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
The day we went into the pool, not only was it too cold to go in, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
but the water slide was out of order because they were under-staffed, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
so the children couldn't even use the water slide. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
The holiday was rubbish | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
because it was too cold to go swimming in the big pool. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
The swimming pool facilities were disastrous. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
I used the female changing rooms with my two youngest children. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
They were just filthy. Nobody had cleaned them. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
There was rust on the wall where the disabled chair had been pulled off. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
The changing mat was dirty. It was supposed to be anti-mould. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
It said "anti-fungal changing mat". It was covered in mildew and mould. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
It was filthy. I daren't even put my baby on it. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
'That was the final straw.' | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
I decided that was it, I wanted to go home. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Any family holiday should leave you with memories that you treasure | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
for the rest of your life. Unfortunately, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
with David and Leonie, it's a different sort of memory. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
I'm about to find out what went wrong. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
'Leonie and Dave feel they're at a dead end as they've had no luck | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
'talking to anyone at Pontins about their horrendous holiday. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
'I've come to see if there's anything I can do to help.' | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
-How you doing? Is Leonie in? -Yes. Come on in. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
If I said "describe Pontins on that first day in one or two words", | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
Leonie, how would you describe it? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
A disaster zone. It was awful. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
-What would you say, David? -Filthy, unsafe. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
Must be a huge disappointment. You'd just had a birth, hadn't you? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
We tried to make the best of it. We thought, "We'll see how it goes tomorrow." | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
The next day, we went to the pool area. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
There was dirt everywhere. The grout between the tiles was green and black. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
There was empty packets and dirty nappies just abandoned all over the place. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
-What happened when you went to complain? -We asked to talk to the manager. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
We were told the manager was busy so we said, "Fair enough. We'll wait." | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
We were there a couple of minutes and the manager came out of the back room. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
I said, "I want to go home." He talked me round. He was very pleasant. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
He said he would upgrade our accommodation | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
to nicer accommodation that had been refurbished | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
and didn't have a 1960s dirty bathroom suite in it, and we could check it first. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
'As it was getting quite late and the kids were hungry, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
'the manager offered the family a free Sunday lunch and drinks.' | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
We thought, "They're trying to make amends and make things better for us." | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
On first inspection, it looked like it was quite nice. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
It was more up-to-date and more refurbished. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
When we'd stayed a day or two, we realised it wasn't that good. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
Anything on the floor ended up dripping wet. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
The floor was rippled, the lino, which had supposedly just gone down. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
When you opened the drawers, they were falling off the hinges. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
-These were supposed to be new. -Were the beds OK? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
My side of the bed was fine but my wife's had a dirty great spring stuck through the bottom. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
-So you couldn't sleep comfortably? -No. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
When you check your accommodation, you see if it's clean. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
You don't lay on the bed and check there's no springs sticking through or there's holes in the bed linen. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
'Leonie and Dave were set to pack up and go home, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
'but before they arrived at Pontins, they had forked out | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
'on expensive tickets on a nearby safari park.' | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
The children were looking forward to it. It was the only nice day of our holiday. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
We stayed four days simply so we could go there. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
We went to the zoo and it was fantastic. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
'As soon as they got back to Pontins, Leonie started getting ready to leave.' | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
I handed my keys back and said, "We can't stand it any more." | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
Did you ask for a refund? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They said, "You'll have to e-mail us when you get home and complain. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
"Send in all your complaints sheets." | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
When we got home, I decided against e-mailing. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
I decided I was going to write a letter to the head office. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
They then forwarded my letter to Brean Sands. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Apparently, all of their complaints are done in-house on the site where you stay. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
Your complaint is forwarded on to the people you're complaining about? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
They think, "We don't want to give their money back. We'll sweep that under the carpet and leave it." | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
'After not getting a response from Pontins, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
'Leonie decided to give the Brean Sands park a call.' | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
They said they hadn't actually received the letter yet. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
'Leonie waited a day or two then called Brean Sands again. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
'They said they'd received their letter but hadn't read it, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
'so asked her to call back in a few days.' | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
I just kept hitting brick walls when I phoned Brean Sands. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
They kept handing the problem to somebody else. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Or say, "I'll get back to you after my lunch." | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Or "He's not here at the moment. He'll ring you back." | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Given up phoning cos nobody wanted to speak to us. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
'Leonie says she spent weeks trying to call Pontins, but without success | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
'and gave up thinking she would ever talk to somebody about her complaints.' | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
How do you feel about them now, generally? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
I'm so cross with them. So cross that they could take people's money, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
head-earned money that you've saved up all year to go on holiday | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
and take your children and disappoint families - I'm so cross with them. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
We thought, "We have to take photos cos people aren't going to believe what we're talking about." | 0:09:27 | 0:09:33 | |
We took photos on the camera. We took them on our phones. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Most people take photos of nice things on holiday. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
We took them of nightmares. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
We never got one nice photo of us together on holiday. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
-Could you show me these photos? Where are they? -Yeah. Over there. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
'I'm glad Leonie and Dave have done the most sensible thing | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
'and taken hard evidence of the state of the Brean Sands holiday park.' | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
That's the ripped bed linen. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-That was in your chalet? -In the room, yes. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
That's the pillowcase that was all ripped. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
-Not a very welcoming sight. -Not really. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
That was the cobwebs in the corner and even the spider still there. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
Yeah. Surprised HE hasn't moved out. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
This is the new drawers. The drawers don't shut properly. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
These are the works going on. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-That's a building site. -That's a concrete wagon. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
-I'm pretty shocked. -It should be a nice family safe area and it wasn't. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
-What a waste of your first holiday for a year. -It was. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
-And the first holiday of my youngest son as well. -Yeah. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
It's the kids' memories. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
-OK, David. Can you e-mail me those photos and I'll print some of them off? -Yeah. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
-Tell Leonie I said goodbye and I'll be in touch soon. -All right. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
'Unbelievable! Leonie and Dave have had a really awful holiday. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
'Let's see what Pontins have to say when I ring them up. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
'Pontins is one of the oldest and best-known names in British holidays. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
'They've been around since 1946 and have five parks | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
'offering half-board and self-catering holidays | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
'with regular entertainment on offer. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
'Their slogan WAS "All your want-ins at Pontins". | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
'Sadly, in November 2010, the company went into administration. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
'It was bought by the Britannia Hotel Group, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
'whose trading name is Britannia Jinky Jersey Ltd. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
'This company has kept the resorts open and the Pontins name alive. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
'I'm going to try and get hold of someone at the Brean Sands park where Dave and Leonie stayed.' | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
PHONE RINGING | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
RECORDED VOICE: Welcome to Pontins. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Please hold for one of our holiday advisors. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Your call may be recorded for quality and training purposes. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
'A Pontins holiday advisor answers. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
'She'd prefer her voice not to be broadcast.' | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
I need to speak to somebody about a problem with one of the chalets that's been rented out. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
'She asks which park I'm referring to.' | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
It's Brean Sands. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
'She informs me that usually complaints about the accommodation | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
'are dealt with at the park by the customer services desk.' | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
It's gone beyond that. 'The lady then puts me on hold.' | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
That's quite interesting. As soon as I spoke to that lady, she was very polite, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
and said "I need to speak to you about a problem" she said "normally they're taken care of on site". | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
That wasn't the case for Leonie. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
If that is the case, why weren't they taken care of on site? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
'I'm transferred to one of the managers at the head office, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
'who would also prefer that we don't use their voice.' | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
A Customer of yours complained to us about a holiday they've had very recently. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
They did take it up at the time with the people at the park | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
and they weren't able to resolve it. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
They've asked us if we can try and sort this out. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
'I quickly learn that she's a sales manager, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
'so can't help with a customer complaint, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
'but she will call me back with a number for Eileen Downey, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
'the Operations Director of Britannia Hotels. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
'However, ironically, she's on holiday for two weeks.' | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Smashing. Nice talking to you. Bye-bye. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Got to say - very charming lady. Most of my calls start off that way. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
I've got the names of the important people. I'm going to send them an e-mail and wait for their call back. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
Then I'll start the ball rolling, well and truly. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
'This case has got me thinking about what our rights are when a holiday goes wrong. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
'I've contacted Steve Playle from Surrey County Council Trading Standards to find out.' | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
UK holidays are covered by the Supply of Goods and Services Act. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
Accommodation has to be supplied using reasonable care | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
and the services must be provided with reasonable skill. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Hopefully, that contributes to consumers having a decent holiday. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
'A common cause of complaint is the standard of accommodation. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'What should you do if you're unhappy?' | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
If you're dissatisfied with the accommodation, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
don't suffer in silence, let someone know that you're dissatisfied. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Find the site manager and give them the opportunity to put it right. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
'If you feel that your complaint has not been dealt with appropriately, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
'how can you take it further?' | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Always put the complaint in writing. Use old-fashioned pen and paper. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Send it by recorded delivery. That way you can prove the complaint's got there. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Spell out what you want them to do to put the matter right | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
and give them a time limit in which to come back to you. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
If you are complaining about a holiday, you need to be reasonable at all times. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
If it gets escalated to a court case, the registrar will look at how you've behaved. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
If you've acted unreasonably, it may well count against you. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Who else can we turn to? | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
It's always worth paying using a credit card. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
You have some fantastic protection under the Consumer Credit Act. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
'If you buy anything on a credit card between £100 and £30,000, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
'you can turn to your credit card company if something goes wrong.' | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
If the holiday company aren't prepared to play ball, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
sometimes you can bring pressure to bear by the credit card company. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Just cos it's cheap doesn't mean it has to be nasty. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
One reason that Dave and Leonie were SO disappointed with their holiday | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
was that it simply didn't live up to the promises made in the Pontins brochure. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
That could be the key to this case. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
'I've asked Dave and Leonie to make a list comparing what the brochure | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
'and website claimed the park offered, and what they found on arrival.' | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
This is what we were expecting. They've said it'll be clean. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
And they weren't. They were awful. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
That's the door where you went in. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
-This was all flooding and fag ends. -Full of dirty smelly water. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
It was horrible. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
'A brochure could be a true reflection of what you'll see on your holiday. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
'If what you get on arrival bears no relation, complain there and then | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
'and request to be moved. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
'Always take photos and videos. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
'If other holiday-makers are experiencing problems, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
'get their names and addresses. The more who complain, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
'the better the chance of getting a company to listen to you.' | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
Brean Sands advertises that they've got a heated swimming pool. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-In fact... Well, you know what it was like! It was... -freezing. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
'Send all letters by recorded delivery and e-mail | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
'so you can prove they received it, and always save a copy.' | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Anti-mould changing mat. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
The nappy somebody had left. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
'Disgusting! The reality paints a very different picture to what they saw online.' | 0:16:32 | 0:16:38 | |
-It shows you the things that don't work! -Yeah. -Then they tell you | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
this long list of things to go out of Pontins to do. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
'That's a solid list Leonie and Dave have got. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
'That could prove handy evidence, if I need it. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
'Back on the case, there's been a development. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
'Five days after I left a message, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
'Operations Manager Eileen Downey has rung on behalf of Pontins | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
'and spoken to a member of my team.' | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
She said that Pontins don't agree with what David and Leonie say | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
and that they wrote and told them that. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
She says that they upgraded them to a brand-new chalet | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
and gave them food and drink for the remainder of their stay, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
which was worth more than what they paid for the original chalet. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
'Leonie, on the other hand, says she never received a letter from Eileen, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
'that the new chalet they were moved to was in a poor state of repair | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
'and that they were only given vouchers for one meal. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
'One thing IS for sure...' | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Pontins have said that the couple never complained about the swimming pool facilities during their stay. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:42 | |
Well, they did. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
Here is a copy of the form Leonie filled in while she was there. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
'To be fair to Eileen, she may not have known about this when she rang. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
'We sent an e-mail with full details of Dave and Leonie's complaint | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
'and asked her to comment on such issues as... | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
'Leonie and Dave's dirty room, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
'the swimming pool being very cold, along with unclean changing rooms. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
'Since starting this investigation, it turned out Leonie and Dave | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
'are not the only ones who've had a disappointing Pontins holiday. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
'I've now also heard from Louise Duggard from Middlesex, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
'who had a week's holiday to Camber Sands in September 2012. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
'After they received a special offer via e-mail, the holiday cost £150.' | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
With our past experience, we thought it was an amazing price. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
So we went for it. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
'As soon as they stepped foot in the park, they weren't impressed.' | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
The dirtiness of the chalets. It was filthy rotten. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
The games room was poor. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
The ceiling was falling down and I was worried for my son's safety. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
'As soon as they returned home, they wrote two letters of complaint.' | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Three weeks after we sent our letter to the manager, we had a reply, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
with the manager apologising and offering us 10% off our next holiday. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
We thought the offer was appalling and that we'd never go back. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
'In contrast, when Kirstie Harris and her family arrived at Pontins | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
'in Prestatyn in north Wales, first impressions were good.' | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
The park seemed nice | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and the outside of the main building seemed lovely. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
'But good vibes didn't last long.' | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
When we got into the apartment, I instantly saw that it wasn't clean. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
The floor was dirty. The kitchen sides were dirty. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
The mirrors were dirty and the settee was filthy as well. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
I wouldn't have allowed the boys to go into the kitchen cos it was so dirty. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
I certainly wouldn't be making bottles or the kids' sandwiches on the kitchen sides. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
'Kirstie's boyfriend went straight to the manager to complain and ask for an upgrade.' | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
He was told that would cost us £40, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
so we paid that and received the keys to a higher apartment. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
And the same dirt shocked us again. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
It doesn't matter how much a holiday costs, it should be a certain standard. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
The rooms should be clean. The staff should be friendly. You should have a nice time. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
'That's now three people who have been badly let down by Pontins. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
'However, there has been a development for Dave and Leonie. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
'They received a letter with an offer which sounds promising | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
'and the couple are considering it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
'Whilst they do that, I get back on the blower to Pontins' Operations Manager about Kirstie and Louise.' | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
PHONE RINGING | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Eileen, good morning. It's Dominic Littlewood at the BBC. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
'She responds by saying, "It's who? Sorry?"' | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
It's Dominic Littlewood at the BBC. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
From Don't Get Done Get Dom. We're making a programme. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
I sent you an e-mail six weeks ago... Eileen? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
Eileen? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
'Hm, how odd. Maybe it's a bad line. I'll try again. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
'This time, I just get a dead line. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
'Do you think it was something I said?' | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll ring one more time, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
just in case she pressed the "off" button by accident. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Can happen. CAN happen. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
-CONTINUOUS TONE -'It's obviously just not my day. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
'I've been trying to get answers for all three cases, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
'but nearly eight weeks have gone by since we last heard from Pontins. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
'Since then, nothing. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
'I've even e-mailed Alex Langsam, the MD of Pontins' parent company, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
'the Britannia Hotels Group, but to no avail. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
'I'm giving up hope of ever getting any answers, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
'but I want to give it another try.' | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
PHONE RINGING | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Could you put me through to Alex Langsam, please? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
'The man who answers enquires into who's calling.' | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Dominic Littlewood at the BBC. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
'He then puts me on hold, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
'but is soon back to tell me I have to e-mail Alex Langsam and arrange a meeting.' | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
So no-one can put me through to the boss? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
'He says no. I have to make an appointment to talk to Alex Langsam through Customer Services.' | 0:22:10 | 0:22:17 | |
I cannot get through to Mr Langsam. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
'Next up is Eileen Downey, the Operations Manager of Pontins.' | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
Can I speak to Eileen Downey, please? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
'Apparently, today, she's at the Britannia Hotel Group office.' | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
The two people I'm trying to ring are probably in the same office. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
What about if I left a message? Would you be able to get it to her? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
'The lady says she'll write down a message for Eileen and pass it on.' | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
Smashing. Thanks very much for your help. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
'I tried my darnedest to speak to someone at Pontins | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
'and their parent company, the Britannia Hotels Group, but to no avail. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
'Although Dave and Leonie have received an offer from Pontins, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
'I've heard nothing from them about Kirstie and Louise. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
'So is there anyone else they could turn to? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
'In all three cases, they felt the accommodation hadn't lived up to expectations from the brochures. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
'That sort of thing is dealt with by the Advertising Standards Authority. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
'One person who is an expert is Lindsay Taffe, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
'Director of Communications for the ASA.' | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
The Advertising Standards Authority is the UK's regulator | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
for advertising and we regulate advertising | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
across all media - TV, radio, websites, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
what you see in newspapers, magazines. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Any ads that mislead, harm or offend are removed. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
That's the first step. We make sure that the ad is withdrawn and it can't do any further damage. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
'Are there specific guidelines advertisers have to adhere to?' | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
Advertisers need to ensure that what they advertise is available | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
at the time the consumer expects to be taking advantage of it. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
If it's not going to be available, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
they need to make it clear, or withdraw it from the advertisement altogether. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
If the advertisement shows a particular standard of hotel or facilities at the hotel, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
that's absolutely what consumers should expect when they turn up. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
'As in the case of Leonie and Dave, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
'who think they haven't got what they thought they would, what can the ASA do?' | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
We'll take steps to have the ad removed. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Also, if we do uphold the complaint, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
there'll be negative publicity around that advertiser, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
which will damage them and will warn other consumers. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
'The ASA can't help with financial compensation, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
'but there are other bodies who can advise you.' | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
We'd always recommend contacting the advertiser directly, to see what they can do to put things right. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
Contacting Trading Standards, who might be able to help. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Or contacting other bodies, such as ABTA or ATOL, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
which have in place financial and other consumer help and advice. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
'If you buy a holiday and it doesn't live up to expectations, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
'you know who you can turn to. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
'This could be useful advice for Kirstie and Louise, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
'if they decide to take their cases further. Despite my best efforts, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
'there is still no response from Pontins. Shame on you.' | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
We'd never go back to Pontins and we'd never recommend it to anyone. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
It was devastating, really upsetting. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
We had to leave and book ourselves in a hotel. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
Pontins didn't make any effort to speak to me directly, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
but they have been in contact with David and Leonie. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Let's see what they had to say for themselves. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-Hi, Leonie. Hi, Dave. -Hi, Dom. -This'll be the last time! | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Can I come in? | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
How do you think I got on with Pontins when I tried to tell them about this disastrous holiday? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
I hope you got on better than I did. I couldn't get through to anybody. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
I found out who was running operations at Pontins, a lady called Eileen. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
I got her phone number. I sent her an e-mail. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
I listed all your problems. I sent the pictures. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
I then tried to speak to her boss at Britannia Hotels. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
-Guess what his response was. -Nothing? | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
You hit the nail on the head. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Britannia Hotels and Alex, the boss of it, didn't come back to us. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
I didn't even get the chance to address the situation with them. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
All I wanted to do was to see what they were prepared to do. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
-In the meantime, you've told us that you've heard from them. -Mm. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
-After I got involved. -Yes. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
In what format? Did they ring you up? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
I received a letter shortly after you must have got involved. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
-Right. Have you got the letter? -I have. Yes. -Read it out to me. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
"Dear Mrs Robinson, further to your recent stay at the Pontins holiday park in Brean Sands, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
"I have agreed to refund your holiday in full. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
"Therefore, please find enclosed a cheque to the value of £556.75, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
"in full and final statement." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
-Where's the apology? -There is no apology. Nothing. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
-How do you feel about that? -Very disappointed. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
We're relieved to have our money, but we're cross, because it took getting you involved to do this. | 0:26:54 | 0:27:00 | |
I'm glad you got your money back. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
-I wish I was here with something better than that, but you can wash your hands of them. -We can. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
You got your money back. Jacob's getting hungry. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
-It's time for me to go. -Thank you. -Good luck with your next holiday. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
I hope you end up having a nicer one. I'll see myself out. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
-See ya later. -Bye. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Hello, Jacob. You little tearaway! See ya later, son. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
Leonie and David have their money back, and quite rightly so. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I always judge companies on how they respond when a problem arises. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
In the case of Pontins, we may not have had all our questions answered, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
but we have now had a response from the company who owns Pontins, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
the Britannia Hotels Group, and they say... | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
We're relieved that we got our money back. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Because Dom got involved, we'll be able to take our family on holiday. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 |