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I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights.

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I'm going to go in with a phone call now and ask them for more.

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Any problem, no matter how big or small,

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I'll help you get the service you deserve.

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I'm getting the impression you don't want to actually

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answer any questions now, is that correct?

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Whether it involves getting your money back...

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I was just horrified that a company can help themselves

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to my money out of my bank account without me knowing about it.

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..or taking on your contract conundrums.

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We hit that brick wall and we were getting nowhere with them.

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I'm on the case...

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On today's show.... I'm fully charged to help two people

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in their battle with a high street giant.

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The 12 month warranty, which basically, to me, wasn't worth the

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paper it was written on, because both Currys and HP were refusing to help

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me and refusing to look at the tablet without me paying £310 up front.

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How one company's mistakes made two women's lives a living hell...

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They kept sending bills.

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And I was becoming extremely concerned,

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especially as they started to become more and more threatening.

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And we look into the infamous call centre

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to see how it's changed its tone.

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Call centres are often thought of as lots of people behind desks,

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reading through very, very tight scripts. It's not like that any more.

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And it is certainly not like that in the UK.

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I'm taking on your consumer problems

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to make sure that you don't get done.

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Technology, we can hardly live without it these days, can we?

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But if something breaks or stops working, we want to scream,

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pull our hair out, we want it sorted out sooner rather than later.

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But, if it is still under the manufacturer's guarantee,

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or you have an accidental damage insurance policy on it,

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that shouldn't be a problem, should it?

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Manish Sharma from Ilford contacted me after a little accident involving

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his cousin's children and his laptop that he had recently

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bought from Currys.

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It was a wiring problem, accidentally, by the kids.

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The laptop was dropped from the kitchen table onto the hard floor

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and it's been dropped sideways and it damaged the power side

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and the screen is all cracked from inside.

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So the one side of the laptop is just completely damaged.

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What a disaster!

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But accidents do happen and as Manish had taken out an insurance

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policy, also from Currys, to cover for such an incident,

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he wasn't too upset...

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Until he heard back from the company.

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This is the letter I got from Currys

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saying the damage had been inspected by the engineer and is inconsistent.

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The letter explained that the damage was inconsistent with

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the reported explanation

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and/or the damage exceeds what they would expect,

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given the circumstances.

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So, they sent my laptop, just like this, without repairing it.

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Manish used his laptop for work

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so wanted a policy which would cover any eventuality.

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The policy is Whatever Happens, means anything happens, if you drop

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the laptop, if it was being damaged, and it covers worldwide.

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So, if I dropped the laptop on the floor, they would change it.

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Anything.

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They don't cover water damage, but they cover all accidental damage.

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It gives you confidence level a bit more

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while you are working on the laptop or doing anything

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that your laptop is more secure with that policy.

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So after the accident, he was happy in the knowledge it would be dealt with quickly.

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He contacted Currys and put in a claim for accidental damage.

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First, I made a phone call to book in, so I spoke with the guys

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over the phone with the know-how, that this is the damage.

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They said fine, they took the laptop.

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And they said within seven working days, your laptop would be fixed.

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And if they couldn't fix it, they promised Manish a replacement

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laptop. So far, so good.

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I get a phone call after the three days. They left me a message.

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We're returning your laptop.

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So, I got back to Currys on the same day,

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they said, your laptop is not here. And they have not been informed.

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The next day, Manish got a call from Currys informing him that

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his laptop was now ready for him to collect,

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and this is when they dropped the bomb shell

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that they would not be fixing or replacing it.

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If you want to know anything,

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you need to contact the address at the bottom, and OK,

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I said, have you got any e-mail address to make it more easier?

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He said no, you have to contact by post.

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Manish appealed, but it was refused. He decided to appeal again!

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She goes to me, the area manager of Currys,

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they are especially looking into your case.

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But we can't fix your laptop.

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Manish isn't going to give up the fight, however

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he can't remain laptop-less until it's all resolved, so he's

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already had to fork out hundreds of pounds for another computer.

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If Dominic can just fulfil the policy, get me a replacement

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laptop, after all these months, after all these months, it would be great.

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Anything will do.

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I agree.

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I feel it's now time for me to get on the case.

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I'm going to send an e-mail to Currys asking for an explanation.

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Chances are, most people know of or have shopped at Currys.

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They're a well known face on the British high street,

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specialising in selling home electronics and household

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appliances, with 295 superstores and 73 high street stores.

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It's owned by Dixon Retail Plc, Europe's largest specialist

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electrical retailing and services company

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and their website claims to bring the latest technology at the best

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prices to their customers combined with great advice

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and after-sales care. Not that Manish would agree.

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Or Christine McDermott from West Yorkshire,

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who's also been in touch with me about Currys.

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Her problems began after she bought a brand-new Hewlett Packard

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tablet for her son as a Christmas present.

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When Simon opened the tablet, he obviously had to charge it up first.

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He put it on to charge up

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and it seemed to be very slow at charging up.

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The battery had come up, it would go about halfway and then stop.

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So I had to take the charger out and then put it back in,

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to reset the charging

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and it would just carry on from where it left off.

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After a while, he went to check on it and it was still only

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halfway charged up.

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But he decided at this point, that it was time to play on it,

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so, he played on it and then after he had finished,

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he put it onto charge again and after a full night of charging,

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it still hadn't charged up fully.

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Not a great start to Christmas!

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I felt very disappointed and obviously, the manufacturers,

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there was a problem with it when it was manufactured.

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Christine decided there was obviously something wrong with the tablet,

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but was confident the problem would be sorted out in a flash,

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as it was brand-new and came with a 12 month warranty.

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I wasn't very happy at all, so I decided to go down to Currys and ask

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them about the situation and what they were prepared to do with it?

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And they just told me to contact HP.

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And they gave me the telephone number and e-mail number for them.

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HP, the maker of the tablet, would be responsible

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if there was a manufacturing issue, so Christine got straight onto them.

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I went onto the HP website to try and contact them and

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I clicked on the contact button and contacted HP

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through their own website.

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And to this day, I have not actually had an e-mail back from them.

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So her tech savvy son Luke gave them a call.

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They said that it wasn't covered on accidental damage

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and it must be something we had done by forcing the charger or

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something like that, into it,

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and it would cost £310 if we wanted them to have a look at it.

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At this point, my son actually told them that it was far cheaper

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to go out and buy a new one than it was to actually get it repaired.

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So, Christine went straight back down to Currys.

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They explained what had happened

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and he just said it had nothing to do with them.

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It had to do with HP.

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Here we go again!

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Christine felt like she was hitting her head against a brick wall.

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I knew that my consumer rights were with them,

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that I had purchased the goods from them and as far as I was

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concerned, my 12 month guarantee was actually with Currys.

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Not with HP.

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At this point, they just turned around and said, well, no,

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you need to ring HP and we can't do anything about it.

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So neither Currys nor HP have actually inspected the product,

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yet Christine was told the problem

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must have been down to her own misuse.

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I feel like I have been treated by Currys and HP unfairly.

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I purchased my goods in good faith, that if anything did go wrong,

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the items would be sorted out.

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I have sent an e-mail to Currys outlining Christine's case,

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but I also need to get onto HP.

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They claim to be the world's leading PC manufacturer.

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Based in California, last year it made 112 billion dollars,

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not bad for a business that started out in a garden shed!

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So we're talking a mega power in the world of IT!

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They may be a super force, but I'm fully charged to take them

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on and I start by sending them an e-mail down the wire.

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The next time you pick up the phone to pay a bill, book a holiday

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or reserve some tickets, it's highly likely

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that you'll talk to someone at a call centre.

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Call centres, I say it's getting a little bit better than it used

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to be, but the problem often is just getting through to them

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in the first place.

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Clearly, many see them as a nuisance and time and

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time again, they've been voted one of the most

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frustrating things to use!

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You just get shuffled from person to person and then the last person,

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each person doesn't know what the actual original issue was.

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So they haven't actually told them anything, they just move you

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on to yet another new person who has no idea what you're talking about.

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I know exactly what you mean,

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so let's see what a call centre boss has to

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say about your experiences.

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The call centre industry has clearly had some bad press over

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the years, however, we are very much a necessary business.

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And in fact, we're very much a growing business in the UK

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and around the world.

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Call centres in the UK were first created

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back in the 1960s to help business deal with customer enquiries.

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If you think back, in days before call centres,

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everyone was based in offices, behind desks and telephones,

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sometimes in different floors, sometimes in different rooms.

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And so, communicating internally within departments was

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actually quite difficult.

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So, call centres evolved as a way to say, right,

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bring all of these different facets together, customer service,

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sales, management etc, put them all in a room where

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they can be next to each other, near to each other, and be able to

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talk and communicate and help a customer much more quickly.

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Now, just over 50 years later, it is reported that over one

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million people are now employed in call centres.

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This is over 3.5% of the entire UK workforce.

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It's very difficult to get the exact department that you

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want to talk with.

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And yes, sometimes it is quite difficult to have a

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resolution to any basic problems.

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Our raison d'etre as an outsourcer is to really try

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and offer first-time resolution.

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We all know how frustrating it is if you have to phone ten times to the

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same centre, and so we are very much paid to handle our clients' calls,

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deal with the customer and try and resolve their query there and then.

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It just seems like they're this big kind of like farms of people

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on telephones and there is no kind of,

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no-one takes any ownership of your issues or your problems.

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We've all got used to the big warehouse type environments,

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where 1,000, 1,500 people would sit in a huge room and have to

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put their hand up to go to the toilet and it was very impersonal.

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And it created quite robotic agents.

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The issue with that and the downside to it is that those agents

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then didn't have a personality, it had to be very, very script-led.

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Over the past five to seven years, that has very much changed.

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I think it is fair to say most people would find

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when they're speaking to a UK call centre, that the

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customer experience has much improved over the last few years.

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So call centres now are aiming to have a bit more of a personal touch,

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BUT you don't always know if you're talking directly

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to the company you've dialled.

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In the UK, there's two main types of call centres,

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one is an in-house call centre, which is

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in their own building or in fact an outsourced call centre.

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The difference is that the in-house is managed and staffed

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by the companies' own people, employed by them and managed by them.

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In an outsourced environment, the outsource is hired to provide

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all the facilities, systems and people to manage the customer

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service desk, for example, on behalf of a client.

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I think people in call centres are told to only answer a certain

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set of questions, but occasionally,

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you will get those people who go the extra bit to help you out.

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Some people are just built to be rude, over the telephone,

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but sometimes you do get really, really nice customers

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and it's really worthwhile to be on the phone with them.

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They could be having a bad day, let alone us, say for example,

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so they might take it out on us over the phone,

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but you've got to have a clearer view of where the customer's coming from.

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However, some of you still find it a frustrating experience.

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You get through five or six different menus to get somewhere,

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then you get thrown out of the system cos the technology isn't up to it,

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and you have to go back to the beginning, so you have to

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write down the numbers to make sure you make it as short as possible.

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We understand that customers can find the push-button process, press one,

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two, three or the voice recognition systems actually quite confusing.

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And we very much recommend as a business to our clients,

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that there should be no more than say, three or four options

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that you can push to try and get through to a relevant department.

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OK, I'll be counting those button presses next time

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I phone up a big company!

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Love 'em or hate 'em, call centres look set to stay, so let's just hope

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they become less inclined to hang up and more likely to hang out!

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I'm battling two heavy weights of the IT world,

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Currys and HP, as both appear to have lost their connection

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with a couple of their customers.

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Manish Sharma and Christine MacDermot feel these

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companies have not honoured their insurance policies or warranties.

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The 12 month warranty, which basically, to me, wasn't worth the

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paper it was written on, because both Currys and HP were refusing to help

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me and refusing to look at the tablet without me paying £310 upfront.

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Feeling they had nowhere else to turn, Christine and Manish have asked

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for help from yours truly, and that is exactly what I intend on doing.

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My ideal outcome would actually be to have a replacement

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for the item that will work and will not cause us any more problems!

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I've e-mailed Currys and HP and are waiting for them to get back.

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So for now, let's take a moment to delve deeper into Manish's

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case starting with his 'Whatever Happens' insurance policy.

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-When does the policy start?

-You can see here, it started in March.

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OK, March 22nd, my sister's birthday, lovely.

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Right, I will tell you what gets me here.

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If somebody takes out a policy, protection policy, and it is called

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Whatever Happens Care Plan, surely whatever happens should be covered.

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Or should this policy be called something different,

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like, Whatever Happens Unless We Disagree With Your Claim?

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I've had a closer look at Manish's policy

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and it says it offers him "protection

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"against breakdown and mishap. You won't pay a penny extra. Labour,

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"parts and general advice are included

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"and we'll fix it or we'll replace it."

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There's one exclusion which states,

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"they will not repair or replace the laptop if the cost

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"of repairing or replacing a product which fails because anyone neglects,

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"abuses or misuses the product."

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Right, let's put in a call to Currys.

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I've been advised the best person to speak to is in the PR department,

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so here goes.

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DIAL TONE

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Going to go to voice mail.

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-I can feel it in my water.

-Please leave your message after the tone.

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To re-record your message, key hash at any time.

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Hi, there, it's Dominic Littlewood calling from

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Don't Get Done Get Dom for the BBC.

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I leave him my contact details.

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I just wanted to have a chat with you about Manish Sharma's

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laptop and I wonder if you could give me a call back as soon as possible, please?

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Much appreciated, thanks very much, bye-bye. Always be polite.

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No reason not to be, really. Just wait for him to call me back.

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I hate voice mails.

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Right!

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With Christine, I'm sending her off on a little mission.

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As neither company has even looked at her broken tablet to give it

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an accurate diagnosis, I've arranged for her

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and her tablet to visit an IT expert

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to see what he has to say about it...

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What I'm looking forward to today is that someone is finally going

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to look at the tablet and actually tell me what is wrong.

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-Hi, how can I help?

-I've actually brought my tablet in,

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because I purchased it for a Christmas present for £135.

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And it's not fully charged properly.

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Christine then outlines her back and forth battle with Currys and HP and

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also tells our IT expert that she's been quoted £310 to fix the tablet.

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Ouch!

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It's just not charging, and I just want to find out...

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That's fine, I'll have a quick look for you now. Just give me a couple of moments.

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I'll just have a quick check for you.

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What we're looking for is if the charging unit is broken or not,

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which, a lot of people damage the charging block,

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so what I'm going to do is put a charger in.

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That seems fine. And now, I'm going to fiddle it.

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As you can see, it's not moving,

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and I think that means that the charging unit is fine.

0:19:410:19:43

It seems like a manufacturer's fault.

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-So, it should be covered under the 12 months warranty.

-Interesting.

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What would have to be done to fix the fault?

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We need to open the products, the HP tablet up,

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and actually fix that underneath the tablet.

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And put it together again. And that should resolve the problem.

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It's an easy fix for us. From the customer's point of view, it isn't,

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but first, yeah, it's an easy one, we do it every single day,

0:20:030:20:06

different tablets, different mobile phones. Hi, Christine.

0:20:060:20:10

I just had a little look at it.

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Basically, I put the charger in and it seems like the part itself is faulty.

0:20:120:20:17

It's not broken in any way, so, I recommend that you go back to the

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manufacturers, HP, or you can go back to Currys and see what they say.

0:20:200:20:24

-Right, OK, then.

-Otherwise, we can repair it for you,

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but at a fraction of the cost they quoted you, about £40.

0:20:270:20:31

I can't believe that they actually haven't looked at it.

0:20:310:20:33

Is that something that you've heard of before?

0:20:330:20:35

No, it's the first time. I've never come across something like this.

0:20:350:20:38

It's a two-minute thing, really, they should have checked it for you or had a quick look and they

0:20:380:20:42

-should have explained to you that, you know, it is a faulty part.

-Right, well,

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thanks ever so much for your help, then, because obviously,

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I've not known what was wrong before, and it is just nice

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to actually know, and I can go back and see what I can sort out.

0:20:530:20:57

-That's fine, you're welcome.

-Thank you.

-Thank you very much.

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So there you have it, according to one tech expert,

0:21:000:21:03

Christine appears to have been right all along.

0:21:030:21:07

By bringing my tablet here, I've got an answer straightaway, where

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as Currys and HP didn't even look at it and tell me what the problem was.

0:21:120:21:17

I've heard back from Currys about Manish's case.

0:21:180:21:21

They've said the damage to his laptop was inconsistent with

0:21:210:21:24

what he said had happened.

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So, I said, OK, what do you think has happened?

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And they said the damage is so severe,

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it seems unlikely it was caused by falling off a table.

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So, I have now put in a formal request for a copy of the report,

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something which Manish has never seen.

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Fingers crossed we will get it.

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I want to know how Currys came to that conclusion?

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How do they decide if the damage a customer states is an accident,

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or if it was misuse?

0:21:500:21:52

Let's meet an electrical testing expert who knows his hard

0:21:520:21:55

drives from his hard luck stories. And the first thing

0:21:550:21:59

I'd like to know is do customers try their luck when making

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an insurance claim?

0:22:020:22:04

On a daily basis, we have customers coming into us

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who try to pass off physical damaged products where they can

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sometimes clearly know it is physical damage, as a manufacturing defect.

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Things like broken screens, liquid contamination, that kind of stuff.

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But there must be a bit of a grey area as far as

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knowing whether it was an accident or the customer's fault?

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From an insurance perspective, that differentiation becomes

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important, negligent or accidental damage.

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Now, the insurance company is going to base that entirely upon

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the information that the customer gives them,

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so if you tell them that I was in the swimming pool using my mobile

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phone, and it got wet, then, clearly, you have given them

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the information that this is not an accident, this was negligent

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behaviour, and they're not going to probably pay that claim.

0:22:490:22:51

If, however, you say you were walking along the street and you dropped

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your laptop in a puddle and it's got wet, then that is accidental damage.

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Now, you haven't wilfully damaged the product.

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Here we have a very good example of physical damage.

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Modern screens don't shatter, it's a laminate material,

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so when they break, they record a history of the damage.

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So, you can see here, the two impact points are just there and there.

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The glass has shattered and spread out from the impact point,

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so this is clearly not a manufacturing issue,

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this item has been dropped or damaged in some way.

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Some issues are quite obvious, for example, if we open up a laptop and

0:23:240:23:27

there is mould growing inside, then that is clearly liquid contamination.

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In other instances, it is not as clear-cut as that,

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so what we can ascertain is the damage and the extent of that

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damage, but we cannot really tell how that was caused.

0:23:390:23:43

So in Manish's case, he claims the laptop was knocked off a table

0:23:430:23:47

onto a hard floor. However, Currys dispute this.

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Typically, when a laptop is knocked off the table when it is plugged in,

0:23:500:23:54

you will get a broken DC socket, you would get a broken screen, damage

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to the casing of the product. Without having seen this product myself,

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the bottom line is, it was accidental damage, it wasn't wilfully done.

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So, the insurance company should pay for that.

0:24:070:24:10

Amir has described near enough down to a T the damage on Manish's

0:24:100:24:14

laptop, so what about Christine's case? Both the retailer

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and the manufacturer haven't even bothered to look at

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her tablet and have already decided it was not a manufacturing issue.

0:24:200:24:25

I'm not sure how someone can assess a product without having it checked by

0:24:250:24:30

an authorised engineer, so, what I would suggest is that the customer

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go back to the store and ask them to look at the whole situation again.

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And is there any advice he would give people

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to help prove their case?

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If you have any kind of dispute for a physically damaged product,

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get an independent assessment done by an authorised repair agent.

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Now, that assessment will either validate your claim or

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-validate the manufacturer's claim.

-And finally, how can you tell

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the difference between a manufacturing fault against misuse?

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From my over 20 years of experience,

0:25:020:25:04

physical damage is normally quite evident.

0:25:040:25:07

You'll either see signs of liquid

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contamination inside the product or you will see something that is

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burnt or essentially, you will see physical damage to the product.

0:25:120:25:16

So, for me, it is quite clear cut.

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If there is no physical damage, if there is no liquid damage,

0:25:180:25:20

there's no signs of the product being tampered with,

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I would treat that as a manufacturing defect.

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This supports our independent IT expert's

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hands-on inspection of Christine's tablet.

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Manish took out a policy that he believed would

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cover his laptop for any eventuality.

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So are these policies really worth taking out?

0:25:390:25:43

I'm off to find out from The Ombudsman.

0:25:430:25:45

What I'm keen to have a chat with you about, Dave,

0:25:460:25:48

-is about accidental insurance cover.

-And what accidental is?

0:25:480:25:52

I've got to ask your opinion of it. Right.

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We're here to talk about accidental damage.

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Which is black and white as far as it sounds, but it is not, is it?

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It's not.

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I think a good starting point with accidental damage is this

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is about insurance for spillages and breakages.

0:26:070:26:11

So, spillages and breakages,

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technically it covers everything to do with accidental damage?

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That's right.

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What it doesn't cover is absolutely anything that happens to you,

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and I think that is the basic misunderstanding that gives

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-rise to lots of problems in this area.

-Can you expand on that?

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On one hand, you've got an insurance policy that is very

0:26:280:26:31

precise and very technical about certain

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circumstances where the insurance will pay. On the other hand,

0:26:340:26:37

you've got a lot of consumers who just think it's peace of mind for

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anything that ever happens to their sofa or their new laptop computer.

0:26:410:26:45

And it's kind of two different worlds,

0:26:450:26:46

two different parallel universes.

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And they collide, and that's usually where we get

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a dispute that the ombudsman has to sort out.

0:26:510:26:53

-I bet there's a lot of disputes, isn't there?

-Hundreds of these disputes.

0:26:530:26:57

Usually, it's at the point of a claim, when something happens to your sofa

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or laptop, and you think, that's OK, I've got insurance to cover it.

0:27:000:27:03

And that's probably the first time you might be

0:27:030:27:05

looking in detail at your policy or indeed your claim is rejected,

0:27:050:27:09

and that really makes you focus on well, why has it been rejected?

0:27:090:27:12

I thought accidental meant anything that is an accident?

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There are different levels of accidental damage cover, though, aren't there? There's a general one,

0:27:160:27:21

then you can have the one where EVERYTHING is covered.

0:27:210:27:23

There's different sorts of policies you can take out?

0:27:230:27:26

I think that's the general rule with insurance as well.

0:27:260:27:29

Most of us assume that they're just standard products

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and one is like another.

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And every single policy is unique and will have all kinds of terms

0:27:330:27:37

and conditions that might make it very different to

0:27:370:27:40

what your understanding of the more general word accidental meant.

0:27:400:27:45

I think it's time to get a firm definition of the term accident.

0:27:450:27:49

What exactly is an accident?

0:27:510:27:53

Well, insurance companies would be very clear about that.

0:27:530:27:56

They'll say technically, an accident is something that is unintended

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and unforeseen, and that makes it sound like a very neat box ticked.

0:28:000:28:05

That's a helpful starting point.

0:28:050:28:07

But it's, what does that really mean in the chaotic,

0:28:070:28:10

confusing circumstances of most people's everyday lives?

0:28:100:28:14

One of the people I'm trying to help had an accident

0:28:140:28:16

where his laptop fell off the kitchen worktop. That was unforeseen and unintended,

0:28:160:28:20

but somebody in the insurance company said to him, we're not covering that,

0:28:200:28:23

because the damage wasn't consistent.

0:28:230:28:26

What right does that person sitting in an office have to say that

0:28:260:28:29

-to one of their customers?

-Well, that would be the very question

0:28:290:28:32

that we would ask the ombudsman.

0:28:320:28:34

We'd say to the insurance company, how did you arrive at that decision?

0:28:340:28:38

How did you go from your technical definition of an accident to

0:28:380:28:43

applying that to a set of circumstances?

0:28:430:28:46

What did you look at? What did you consider?

0:28:460:28:48

So, we call for the evidence, and the insurance company,

0:28:480:28:51

by law, has to give us an explanation.

0:28:510:28:53

Why has an insurance company even said that in the first place, if this is the case?

0:28:530:28:57

Are they hoping that that person is going to accept that

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and just they get away with paying out a claim?

0:29:000:29:03

Are they taking that gamble that if they go to you, you'll probably overrule it.

0:29:030:29:06

Sadly, it is certainly true that a lot of people,

0:29:060:29:10

at the first rebuff, will just give up and not pursue matters.

0:29:100:29:14

David, you are a wealth of knowledge.

0:29:140:29:16

-Thank you very much indeed.

-A pleasure as always.

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Persistence pays, and I have an abundance of it.

0:29:180:29:21

I think the important point here that we can all take

0:29:230:29:26

home from my chat with David is that these policies might seem

0:29:260:29:29

great on the surface, but might not actually suit your needs.

0:29:290:29:33

You need to have a look at them. You DO need to make the effort to read the small print

0:29:330:29:37

and find out whether it actually suits you.

0:29:370:29:39

Nothing worse than finding a huge pile of bills on your doormat.

0:29:460:29:49

But when you're getting chased for money you don't even owe,

0:29:490:29:51

well, that's left some of you seeing red,

0:29:510:29:54

and I'm not talking about the final demand.

0:29:540:29:56

Penny Clark has lived

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in her home in Scarborough for 15 years, and gets her gas

0:30:000:30:04

from Npower, but just over a year ago, she received a bill

0:30:040:30:08

-from British Gas.

-Well, when I got the first bill,

0:30:080:30:10

I didn't really think anything much of it, it was for £4.64,

0:30:100:30:14

it didn't have my name on it, it just said the occupier.

0:30:140:30:19

I knew I didn't get my gas from British Gas.

0:30:190:30:22

It didn't seem to be too much of a problem.

0:30:220:30:24

I didn't actually do anything at all about it, I just thought, oh,

0:30:240:30:27

well, they've got it wrong, who could use £4.64 worth of gas

0:30:270:30:31

and be sent a bill for it?

0:30:310:30:33

And these bills kept dropping through her letter box.

0:30:330:30:37

When the bills went up to about £100, I realised that even though

0:30:370:30:42

it was a mistake, I was going to have to do something about it.

0:30:420:30:46

So she called British Gas.

0:30:460:30:48

Every phone call takes for ever. You hear a lot of music.

0:30:480:30:52

You get passed from person to person.

0:30:520:30:55

The first person that I told that I didn't

0:30:550:30:58

get my gas from British Gas, but I'd had a bill,

0:30:580:31:01

they said, yes, you DO get your gas from British Gas.

0:31:010:31:04

Eventually, after a long time, they agreed that actually, no,

0:31:040:31:09

I didn't, it was a mistake.

0:31:090:31:10

However, Penny's call to British Gas didn't seem

0:31:100:31:13

-to make any difference.

-They kept sending bills.

0:31:130:31:17

And they were going up and up and I was becoming extremely concerned,

0:31:170:31:21

especially as they started to become more and more threatening.

0:31:210:31:26

She then got an unexpected visit from a British Gas engineer.

0:31:260:31:31

They just sent somebody who walked up the garden path

0:31:310:31:34

and looked at the meter.

0:31:340:31:37

And he said it was the wrong one, it was the wrong serial number.

0:31:370:31:41

Well, I'm the only person who has ever lived in this house

0:31:410:31:43

and I have lived here for 15 years. And I haven't had a new meter.

0:31:430:31:49

But, it didn't seem to make any difference to the bills.

0:31:510:31:56

The bills now totalled over £2,600.

0:31:560:31:59

I was becoming terrified.

0:31:590:32:00

Every time a letter came through the door, I would be worrying that it

0:32:000:32:03

was going to be some huge amount, but I couldn't seem to stop it.

0:32:030:32:08

And they didn't seem to be interested in stopping it.

0:32:080:32:12

I remember how awful I felt every time another one of them arrived.

0:32:120:32:16

And these other letters are worse.

0:32:160:32:19

These are the ones, notice of disconnection,

0:32:190:32:21

mention of taking me to court to get access to the property.

0:32:210:32:26

Which is exactly what happened to Sarah Forster from Newcastle.

0:32:260:32:30

She turned up at her house only to discover British Gas

0:32:300:32:33

had let themselves in!

0:32:330:32:35

There's a tiny little hole where the locksmith that they had

0:32:350:32:40

brought has drilled in, basically, to pick our lock

0:32:400:32:45

and come into our house.

0:32:450:32:46

Unfortunately, as he's done it, he's damaged a mechanism inside,

0:32:460:32:50

which caused our door to eventually not open, and this is

0:32:500:32:53

obviously why we needed to get both the locks, top and bottom, replaced.

0:32:530:32:58

British Gas had installed a meter in the house

0:32:580:33:01

because there was an outstanding debt of £2,500.

0:33:010:33:05

The only correspondence they left was a note addressed to the

0:33:050:33:08

'the occupant' in a folded up piece of paper.

0:33:080:33:11

Sarah and her husband had only just bought the house a few days ago

0:33:110:33:15

and knew the debt could not possibly be theirs

0:33:150:33:18

so got straight on the phone to British Gas.

0:33:180:33:20

They told her it would be quite straightforward to get

0:33:200:33:23

the meter taken out if the couple could prove

0:33:230:33:26

they weren't living at the property at the time.

0:33:260:33:29

British Gas also said Sarah could claim the money

0:33:290:33:31

back for the locksmith.

0:33:310:33:33

However, weeks went by and the gas meter was still there.

0:33:330:33:37

Now at their wits' end with British Gas, Sarah just wanted to be

0:33:370:33:41

rid of them, so decided to change company.

0:33:410:33:43

She found a new energy provider who was happy to take the meter out,

0:33:430:33:47

but they would have to charge her £52.

0:33:470:33:50

Sarah was so unhappy with British Gas,

0:33:500:33:53

she instructed them to go ahead and do it,

0:33:530:33:56

and is now happy in her new home, albeit £52 out of pocket.

0:33:560:34:00

As for Penny and her ongoing dispute with British Gas, she'd had a visit

0:34:020:34:05

-from the bailiffs.

-Actually, he was extremely pleasant,

0:34:050:34:08

and he realised straightaway that it was a mistake and he did

0:34:080:34:11

say that he would try to sort it out for me, because clearly, I was

0:34:110:34:15

not living in a block of flats, which is what he had been led to expect.

0:34:150:34:20

He could tell it was a mistake. But, it didn't stop the bills coming.

0:34:200:34:25

Nothing seemed to stop British Gas sending me more and more bills.

0:34:250:34:30

After almost a year of complaining and the bills

0:34:300:34:33

continuing to soar, Penny decided

0:34:330:34:36

to go to the head honcho of British Gas.

0:34:360:34:38

After I wrote to the Chief Executive,

0:34:380:34:40

they did put me in touch with an extremely nice complaints

0:34:400:34:43

lady from British Gas who was, you know, lovely, and helpful.

0:34:430:34:49

Just what you need. Over a year after the first bill,

0:34:490:34:52

and countless phone calls to British Gas,

0:34:520:34:54

the letters did eventually stop.

0:34:540:34:57

I'm always on tenterhooks waiting to see

0:34:570:34:59

if another bill is going to come, certainly, if it's got a

0:34:590:35:02

British Gas sticker on the envelope, I don't really want to open it!

0:35:020:35:06

I can understand.

0:35:080:35:09

We contacted British Gas and outlined both of these cases.

0:35:090:35:13

For Sarah, they did reimburse her for the cost of replacing the meter

0:35:130:35:16

and had this to say...

0:35:160:35:18

For Penny, British Gas has reassured us that she

0:35:410:35:43

will not continue to receive bills in the future and she owes nothing.

0:35:430:35:48

When questioned on the reasons how this mistake was made,

0:35:480:35:51

British Gas said...

0:35:510:35:53

Sometimes a company just puts their hands up and says,

0:36:130:36:16

do you know what, we made a mistake, and we're going to put it right.

0:36:160:36:19

And I like it when that happens.

0:36:190:36:21

I'm on a mission to help two people who bought products from Currys,

0:36:280:36:31

but were told they had misused their gadgets when they put in claims.

0:36:310:36:35

Christine under her warranty and Manish for accidental damage.

0:36:350:36:40

They should call it a joke policy. It's just a joke. It's nothing else.

0:36:400:36:44

Looking at Manish's case for accidental damage, how have Currys

0:36:440:36:49

come to the conclusion that he may be

0:36:490:36:51

being economical with the truth?

0:36:510:36:53

Take this term "misuse".

0:36:550:36:57

I mean, how on earth can the experts tell

0:36:570:37:00

the difference between misuse and a genuine accident?

0:37:000:37:05

I mean, take these two plates for example.

0:37:050:37:08

Now, if I went yaaawwwwwn...

0:37:080:37:10

Ooh! That was a genuine accident.

0:37:110:37:14

Take this second one, however, and...

0:37:160:37:21

Ooops! Misuse.

0:37:210:37:24

Now, they both look pretty smashed up to me.

0:37:240:37:26

Now, I certainly can't tell the difference between the two.

0:37:280:37:32

How on earth can the experts?

0:37:320:37:34

There's been no sign of the report from the Currys repair lab that

0:37:400:37:43

I asked for, but we have had an e-mail from Currys.

0:37:430:37:46

They have an offer for Manish, so I'm off to see him

0:37:460:37:49

and see what he makes of it.

0:37:490:37:51

This case should be black and white.

0:37:510:37:53

Someone buys an expensive laptop, they take out accidental damage

0:37:530:37:56

and they have an accident, so the insurance pays out, right? Wrong.

0:37:560:38:00

It's not black and white at all.

0:38:000:38:01

-Hi, Manish.

-Hi, Dominic.

-Nice to meet you, you all right?

0:38:080:38:11

Can I come in? Thanks very much.

0:38:110:38:13

That laptop you bought was nearly a year ago now,

0:38:150:38:18

so, of course, it's out of date, it's been superseded, the later

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models are quicker, faster, better and probably lower in price.

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-Remind me how much you paid for the first laptop?

-£629.

0:38:260:38:30

Yes. A lot of money.

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Especially considering it's smashed up and in theory,

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you're getting nothing for it.

0:38:340:38:36

Well, we've been on the phone to Currys.

0:38:360:38:38

We've tried to sort things out with their press office

0:38:380:38:41

and we've eventually got an answer from them.

0:38:410:38:44

Now, they're not happy with the fact that you weren't given a new

0:38:440:38:47

laptop when you should have been under this insurance policy

0:38:470:38:50

and they would like me to give you this.

0:38:500:38:52

It's not the golden envelope, it's what's in it that counts.

0:38:540:38:57

-That's brilliant.

-Have you seen how much it's for?

-Yes.

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-£750.

-£750.

0:39:060:39:09

-Yeah, what do you think about that?

-That's brilliant.

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I wasn't expecting this. I seriously wasn't expecting this.

0:39:120:39:15

That's brilliant, what they've done.

0:39:150:39:16

-That's £120 more than you paid for it.

-Yes.

0:39:160:39:19

Which I would like to think is probably their way of saying, look,

0:39:190:39:22

you know, go and get yourself a nice laptop even when you need one.

0:39:220:39:25

-That'll more than cover for it and all your inconvenience.

-Yeah.

0:39:250:39:28

-I think they've done the decent thing there.

-Definitely.

-Right.

0:39:280:39:32

They'll be watching. Tell them what you think of Currys now.

0:39:320:39:35

The thing is, if they'd done it in the first place,

0:39:350:39:37

-I wouldn't have had to come here.

-Yeah.

-You know.

0:39:370:39:40

It was a genuine case and it wasn't, I wasn't doing wrong,

0:39:400:39:43

but, it never would have got to you being involved to get this result.

0:39:430:39:47

-At the end of the day.

-Yes.

0:39:470:39:49

And I think that's a good lesson for them and for a lot

0:39:490:39:52

of other companies out there as well. It shouldn't take me getting

0:39:520:39:55

involved to try and get these things sorted out. It should happen way

0:39:550:39:58

-down the line.

-Yeah.

-We're making small steps in the right direction,

0:39:580:40:01

but anyway, Currys made a big step there for you, haven't they?

0:40:010:40:04

-750 smackers. Happy?

-I'm happy.

-So am I.

0:40:040:40:08

Thanks, Dominic. All because of you. All because of you.

0:40:080:40:12

Yeah, but at the end of the day, you contacted me, we sorted things out,

0:40:120:40:15

hopefully, we've highlighted an issue

0:40:150:40:17

-and it won't happen again for anybody else.

-That's brilliant.

0:40:170:40:20

-So, am I free to go?

-Yeah.

-Great. I'll get on me bike then!

0:40:200:40:23

-No worries!

-Nice to meet you!

-Take care.

-Thank you.

0:40:230:40:26

Currys have done the right thing.

0:40:260:40:28

-I'm happy with the amount of money they gave me.

-So am I.

0:40:280:40:32

We asked Currys to comment on Manish's

0:40:320:40:34

case and they had this to say...

0:40:340:40:35

Great! One down, one to go,

0:40:530:40:56

and it's not just accidental damage being branded as misuse.

0:40:560:41:00

My investigations suggest that Christine's tablet DID have a

0:41:000:41:04

manufacturing issue, BUT both retailer Currys and manufacturer HP

0:41:040:41:09

diagnosed it as misuse, without actually taking a look at it.

0:41:090:41:13

Well, Currys has got back to me on this one too

0:41:130:41:16

and they've told me...

0:41:160:41:18

And not only that, there's an offer on the table which Christine and her

0:41:260:41:29

son have received.

0:41:290:41:31

"As a gesture of goodwill,

0:41:310:41:33

"we would be happy to organise a replacement for her tablet.

0:41:330:41:37

"We're sorry for any inconvenience caused."

0:41:370:41:40

-So you're going to get a new tablet! All right?

-Yes.

0:41:420:41:46

-Yeah. Are you glad?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:41:460:41:49

I'm just glad that something's been done and I can finally resolve it and get back to normal!

0:41:490:41:55

I'm absolutely ecstatic, I'm just so glad that it's all sorted

0:41:550:42:00

and we can finally, I can finally relax a bit more!

0:42:000:42:03

Instead of having to chase up and find out what's happening.

0:42:030:42:07

Currys said that in Christine's case...

0:42:070:42:10

"If a product is in warranty, we will ask the customer to send it

0:42:420:42:45

"back to HP so that we can diagnose and remedy the problem correctly."

0:42:450:42:50

I would like to say thanks ever so much to Dom

0:42:500:42:53

and without his help, I'm sure this wouldn't have been done,

0:42:530:42:56

and I'm really, really grateful to him

0:42:560:42:59

and in the end, I think Currys have seen right and I'm glad

0:42:590:43:03

and maybe I may think about going back there shopping again!

0:43:030:43:08

Well done, Currys, you've rebooted Manish's

0:43:080:43:11

and Christine's confidence in you.

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