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I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I'm going to go in with a phone call now and ask them for more. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
Any problem, no matter how big or small, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
I'll help you get the service you deserve. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I'm getting the impression you don't want to actually | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
answer any questions now, is that correct? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Whether it involves getting your money back... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
I was just horrified that a company can help themselves | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
to my money out of my bank account without me knowing about it. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
..or taking on your contract conundrums. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
We hit that brick wall and we were getting nowhere with them. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
I'm on the case... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
On today's show.... I'm fully charged to help two people | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
in their battle with a high street giant. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
The 12 month warranty, which basically, to me, wasn't worth the | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
paper it was written on, because both Currys and HP were refusing to help | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
me and refusing to look at the tablet without me paying £310 up front. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
How one company's mistakes made two women's lives a living hell... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
They kept sending bills. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
And I was becoming extremely concerned, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
especially as they started to become more and more threatening. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
And we look into the infamous call centre | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
to see how it's changed its tone. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Call centres are often thought of as lots of people behind desks, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
reading through very, very tight scripts. It's not like that any more. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
And it is certainly not like that in the UK. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
I'm taking on your consumer problems | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
to make sure that you don't get done. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Technology, we can hardly live without it these days, can we? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
But if something breaks or stops working, we want to scream, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
pull our hair out, we want it sorted out sooner rather than later. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
But, if it is still under the manufacturer's guarantee, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
or you have an accidental damage insurance policy on it, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
that shouldn't be a problem, should it? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Manish Sharma from Ilford contacted me after a little accident involving | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
his cousin's children and his laptop that he had recently | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
bought from Currys. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
It was a wiring problem, accidentally, by the kids. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
The laptop was dropped from the kitchen table onto the hard floor | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
and it's been dropped sideways and it damaged the power side | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
and the screen is all cracked from inside. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
So the one side of the laptop is just completely damaged. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
What a disaster! | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
But accidents do happen and as Manish had taken out an insurance | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
policy, also from Currys, to cover for such an incident, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
he wasn't too upset... | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Until he heard back from the company. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
This is the letter I got from Currys | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
saying the damage had been inspected by the engineer and is inconsistent. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
The letter explained that the damage was inconsistent with | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
the reported explanation | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
and/or the damage exceeds what they would expect, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
given the circumstances. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
So, they sent my laptop, just like this, without repairing it. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Manish used his laptop for work | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
so wanted a policy which would cover any eventuality. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
The policy is Whatever Happens, means anything happens, if you drop | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
the laptop, if it was being damaged, and it covers worldwide. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
So, if I dropped the laptop on the floor, they would change it. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Anything. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
They don't cover water damage, but they cover all accidental damage. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
It gives you confidence level a bit more | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
while you are working on the laptop or doing anything | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
that your laptop is more secure with that policy. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
So after the accident, he was happy in the knowledge it would be dealt with quickly. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
He contacted Currys and put in a claim for accidental damage. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
First, I made a phone call to book in, so I spoke with the guys | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
over the phone with the know-how, that this is the damage. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
They said fine, they took the laptop. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
And they said within seven working days, your laptop would be fixed. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
And if they couldn't fix it, they promised Manish a replacement | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
laptop. So far, so good. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
I get a phone call after the three days. They left me a message. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
We're returning your laptop. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
So, I got back to Currys on the same day, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
they said, your laptop is not here. And they have not been informed. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
The next day, Manish got a call from Currys informing him that | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
his laptop was now ready for him to collect, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
and this is when they dropped the bomb shell | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
that they would not be fixing or replacing it. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
If you want to know anything, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
you need to contact the address at the bottom, and OK, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
I said, have you got any e-mail address to make it more easier? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
He said no, you have to contact by post. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Manish appealed, but it was refused. He decided to appeal again! | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
She goes to me, the area manager of Currys, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
they are especially looking into your case. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
But we can't fix your laptop. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Manish isn't going to give up the fight, however | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
he can't remain laptop-less until it's all resolved, so he's | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
already had to fork out hundreds of pounds for another computer. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
If Dominic can just fulfil the policy, get me a replacement | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
laptop, after all these months, after all these months, it would be great. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:28 | |
Anything will do. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
I agree. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
I feel it's now time for me to get on the case. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
I'm going to send an e-mail to Currys asking for an explanation. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Chances are, most people know of or have shopped at Currys. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
They're a well known face on the British high street, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
specialising in selling home electronics and household | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
appliances, with 295 superstores and 73 high street stores. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
It's owned by Dixon Retail Plc, Europe's largest specialist | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
electrical retailing and services company | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
and their website claims to bring the latest technology at the best | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
prices to their customers combined with great advice | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
and after-sales care. Not that Manish would agree. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Or Christine McDermott from West Yorkshire, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
who's also been in touch with me about Currys. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Her problems began after she bought a brand-new Hewlett Packard | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
tablet for her son as a Christmas present. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
When Simon opened the tablet, he obviously had to charge it up first. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
He put it on to charge up | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
and it seemed to be very slow at charging up. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
The battery had come up, it would go about halfway and then stop. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
So I had to take the charger out and then put it back in, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
to reset the charging | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
and it would just carry on from where it left off. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
After a while, he went to check on it and it was still only | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
halfway charged up. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
But he decided at this point, that it was time to play on it, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
so, he played on it and then after he had finished, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
he put it onto charge again and after a full night of charging, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
it still hadn't charged up fully. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Not a great start to Christmas! | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
I felt very disappointed and obviously, the manufacturers, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
there was a problem with it when it was manufactured. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Christine decided there was obviously something wrong with the tablet, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
but was confident the problem would be sorted out in a flash, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
as it was brand-new and came with a 12 month warranty. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
I wasn't very happy at all, so I decided to go down to Currys and ask | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
them about the situation and what they were prepared to do with it? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
And they just told me to contact HP. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
And they gave me the telephone number and e-mail number for them. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
HP, the maker of the tablet, would be responsible | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
if there was a manufacturing issue, so Christine got straight onto them. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
I went onto the HP website to try and contact them and | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
I clicked on the contact button and contacted HP | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
through their own website. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
And to this day, I have not actually had an e-mail back from them. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
So her tech savvy son Luke gave them a call. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
They said that it wasn't covered on accidental damage | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
and it must be something we had done by forcing the charger or | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
something like that, into it, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
and it would cost £310 if we wanted them to have a look at it. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:39 | |
At this point, my son actually told them that it was far cheaper | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
to go out and buy a new one than it was to actually get it repaired. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
So, Christine went straight back down to Currys. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
They explained what had happened | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
and he just said it had nothing to do with them. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
It had to do with HP. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Here we go again! | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
Christine felt like she was hitting her head against a brick wall. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
I knew that my consumer rights were with them, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
that I had purchased the goods from them and as far as I was | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
concerned, my 12 month guarantee was actually with Currys. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Not with HP. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
At this point, they just turned around and said, well, no, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
you need to ring HP and we can't do anything about it. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
So neither Currys nor HP have actually inspected the product, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
yet Christine was told the problem | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
must have been down to her own misuse. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
I feel like I have been treated by Currys and HP unfairly. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
I purchased my goods in good faith, that if anything did go wrong, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:50 | |
the items would be sorted out. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
I have sent an e-mail to Currys outlining Christine's case, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
but I also need to get onto HP. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
They claim to be the world's leading PC manufacturer. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Based in California, last year it made 112 billion dollars, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
not bad for a business that started out in a garden shed! | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
So we're talking a mega power in the world of IT! | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
They may be a super force, but I'm fully charged to take them | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
on and I start by sending them an e-mail down the wire. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
The next time you pick up the phone to pay a bill, book a holiday | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
or reserve some tickets, it's highly likely | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
that you'll talk to someone at a call centre. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Call centres, I say it's getting a little bit better than it used | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
to be, but the problem often is just getting through to them | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
in the first place. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
Clearly, many see them as a nuisance and time and | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
time again, they've been voted one of the most | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
frustrating things to use! | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
You just get shuffled from person to person and then the last person, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
each person doesn't know what the actual original issue was. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
So they haven't actually told them anything, they just move you | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
on to yet another new person who has no idea what you're talking about. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
I know exactly what you mean, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
so let's see what a call centre boss has to | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
say about your experiences. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
The call centre industry has clearly had some bad press over | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
the years, however, we are very much a necessary business. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
And in fact, we're very much a growing business in the UK | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
and around the world. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Call centres in the UK were first created | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
back in the 1960s to help business deal with customer enquiries. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
If you think back, in days before call centres, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
everyone was based in offices, behind desks and telephones, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
sometimes in different floors, sometimes in different rooms. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
And so, communicating internally within departments was | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
actually quite difficult. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
So, call centres evolved as a way to say, right, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
bring all of these different facets together, customer service, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
sales, management etc, put them all in a room where | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
they can be next to each other, near to each other, and be able to | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
talk and communicate and help a customer much more quickly. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Now, just over 50 years later, it is reported that over one | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
million people are now employed in call centres. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
This is over 3.5% of the entire UK workforce. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
It's very difficult to get the exact department that you | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
want to talk with. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
And yes, sometimes it is quite difficult to have a | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
resolution to any basic problems. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Our raison d'etre as an outsourcer is to really try | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
and offer first-time resolution. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
We all know how frustrating it is if you have to phone ten times to the | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
same centre, and so we are very much paid to handle our clients' calls, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:54 | |
deal with the customer and try and resolve their query there and then. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
It just seems like they're this big kind of like farms of people | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
on telephones and there is no kind of, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
no-one takes any ownership of your issues or your problems. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
We've all got used to the big warehouse type environments, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
where 1,000, 1,500 people would sit in a huge room and have to | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
put their hand up to go to the toilet and it was very impersonal. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
And it created quite robotic agents. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
The issue with that and the downside to it is that those agents | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
then didn't have a personality, it had to be very, very script-led. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Over the past five to seven years, that has very much changed. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
I think it is fair to say most people would find | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
when they're speaking to a UK call centre, that the | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
customer experience has much improved over the last few years. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
So call centres now are aiming to have a bit more of a personal touch, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
BUT you don't always know if you're talking directly | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
to the company you've dialled. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
In the UK, there's two main types of call centres, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
one is an in-house call centre, which is | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
in their own building or in fact an outsourced call centre. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
The difference is that the in-house is managed and staffed | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
by the companies' own people, employed by them and managed by them. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
In an outsourced environment, the outsource is hired to provide | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
all the facilities, systems and people to manage the customer | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
service desk, for example, on behalf of a client. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
I think people in call centres are told to only answer a certain | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
set of questions, but occasionally, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
you will get those people who go the extra bit to help you out. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
Some people are just built to be rude, over the telephone, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
but sometimes you do get really, really nice customers | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
and it's really worthwhile to be on the phone with them. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
They could be having a bad day, let alone us, say for example, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
so they might take it out on us over the phone, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
but you've got to have a clearer view of where the customer's coming from. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
However, some of you still find it a frustrating experience. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
You get through five or six different menus to get somewhere, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
then you get thrown out of the system cos the technology isn't up to it, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
and you have to go back to the beginning, so you have to | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
write down the numbers to make sure you make it as short as possible. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
We understand that customers can find the push-button process, press one, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
two, three or the voice recognition systems actually quite confusing. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
And we very much recommend as a business to our clients, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
that there should be no more than say, three or four options | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
that you can push to try and get through to a relevant department. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
OK, I'll be counting those button presses next time | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
I phone up a big company! | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Love 'em or hate 'em, call centres look set to stay, so let's just hope | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
they become less inclined to hang up and more likely to hang out! | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
I'm battling two heavy weights of the IT world, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Currys and HP, as both appear to have lost their connection | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
with a couple of their customers. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Manish Sharma and Christine MacDermot feel these | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
companies have not honoured their insurance policies or warranties. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
The 12 month warranty, which basically, to me, wasn't worth the | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
paper it was written on, because both Currys and HP were refusing to help | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
me and refusing to look at the tablet without me paying £310 upfront. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
Feeling they had nowhere else to turn, Christine and Manish have asked | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
for help from yours truly, and that is exactly what I intend on doing. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
My ideal outcome would actually be to have a replacement | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
for the item that will work and will not cause us any more problems! | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
I've e-mailed Currys and HP and are waiting for them to get back. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
So for now, let's take a moment to delve deeper into Manish's | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
case starting with his 'Whatever Happens' insurance policy. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
-When does the policy start? -You can see here, it started in March. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
OK, March 22nd, my sister's birthday, lovely. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Right, I will tell you what gets me here. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
If somebody takes out a policy, protection policy, and it is called | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Whatever Happens Care Plan, surely whatever happens should be covered. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
Or should this policy be called something different, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
like, Whatever Happens Unless We Disagree With Your Claim? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
I've had a closer look at Manish's policy | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
and it says it offers him "protection | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
"against breakdown and mishap. You won't pay a penny extra. Labour, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
"parts and general advice are included | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
"and we'll fix it or we'll replace it." | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
There's one exclusion which states, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
"they will not repair or replace the laptop if the cost | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
"of repairing or replacing a product which fails because anyone neglects, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
"abuses or misuses the product." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Right, let's put in a call to Currys. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
I've been advised the best person to speak to is in the PR department, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
so here goes. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
DIAL TONE | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
Going to go to voice mail. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
-I can feel it in my water. -Please leave your message after the tone. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
To re-record your message, key hash at any time. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
Hi, there, it's Dominic Littlewood calling from | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Don't Get Done Get Dom for the BBC. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I leave him my contact details. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
I just wanted to have a chat with you about Manish Sharma's | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
laptop and I wonder if you could give me a call back as soon as possible, please? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
Much appreciated, thanks very much, bye-bye. Always be polite. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
No reason not to be, really. Just wait for him to call me back. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
I hate voice mails. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
Right! | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
With Christine, I'm sending her off on a little mission. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
As neither company has even looked at her broken tablet to give it | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
an accurate diagnosis, I've arranged for her | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and her tablet to visit an IT expert | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
to see what he has to say about it... | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
What I'm looking forward to today is that someone is finally going | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
to look at the tablet and actually tell me what is wrong. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
-Hi, how can I help? -I've actually brought my tablet in, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
because I purchased it for a Christmas present for £135. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:59 | |
And it's not fully charged properly. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Christine then outlines her back and forth battle with Currys and HP and | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
also tells our IT expert that she's been quoted £310 to fix the tablet. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:12 | |
Ouch! | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
It's just not charging, and I just want to find out... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
That's fine, I'll have a quick look for you now. Just give me a couple of moments. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
I'll just have a quick check for you. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
What we're looking for is if the charging unit is broken or not, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
which, a lot of people damage the charging block, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
so what I'm going to do is put a charger in. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
That seems fine. And now, I'm going to fiddle it. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
As you can see, it's not moving, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
and I think that means that the charging unit is fine. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
It seems like a manufacturer's fault. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
-So, it should be covered under the 12 months warranty. -Interesting. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
What would have to be done to fix the fault? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
We need to open the products, the HP tablet up, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
and actually fix that underneath the tablet. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
And put it together again. And that should resolve the problem. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
It's an easy fix for us. From the customer's point of view, it isn't, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
but first, yeah, it's an easy one, we do it every single day, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
different tablets, different mobile phones. Hi, Christine. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
I just had a little look at it. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
Basically, I put the charger in and it seems like the part itself is faulty. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
It's not broken in any way, so, I recommend that you go back to the | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
manufacturers, HP, or you can go back to Currys and see what they say. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
-Right, OK, then. -Otherwise, we can repair it for you, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
but at a fraction of the cost they quoted you, about £40. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
I can't believe that they actually haven't looked at it. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Is that something that you've heard of before? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
No, it's the first time. I've never come across something like this. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
It's a two-minute thing, really, they should have checked it for you or had a quick look and they | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
-should have explained to you that, you know, it is a faulty part. -Right, well, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
thanks ever so much for your help, then, because obviously, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
I've not known what was wrong before, and it is just nice | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
to actually know, and I can go back and see what I can sort out. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
-That's fine, you're welcome. -Thank you. -Thank you very much. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
So there you have it, according to one tech expert, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Christine appears to have been right all along. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
By bringing my tablet here, I've got an answer straightaway, where | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
as Currys and HP didn't even look at it and tell me what the problem was. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
I've heard back from Currys about Manish's case. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
They've said the damage to his laptop was inconsistent with | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
what he said had happened. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
So, I said, OK, what do you think has happened? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
And they said the damage is so severe, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
it seems unlikely it was caused by falling off a table. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
So, I have now put in a formal request for a copy of the report, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
something which Manish has never seen. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Fingers crossed we will get it. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
I want to know how Currys came to that conclusion? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
How do they decide if the damage a customer states is an accident, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
or if it was misuse? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Let's meet an electrical testing expert who knows his hard | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
drives from his hard luck stories. And the first thing | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
I'd like to know is do customers try their luck when making | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
an insurance claim? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
On a daily basis, we have customers coming into us | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
who try to pass off physical damaged products where they can | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
sometimes clearly know it is physical damage, as a manufacturing defect. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
Things like broken screens, liquid contamination, that kind of stuff. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
But there must be a bit of a grey area as far as | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
knowing whether it was an accident or the customer's fault? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
From an insurance perspective, that differentiation becomes | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
important, negligent or accidental damage. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Now, the insurance company is going to base that entirely upon | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
the information that the customer gives them, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
so if you tell them that I was in the swimming pool using my mobile | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
phone, and it got wet, then, clearly, you have given them | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
the information that this is not an accident, this was negligent | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
behaviour, and they're not going to probably pay that claim. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
If, however, you say you were walking along the street and you dropped | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
your laptop in a puddle and it's got wet, then that is accidental damage. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
Now, you haven't wilfully damaged the product. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Here we have a very good example of physical damage. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Modern screens don't shatter, it's a laminate material, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
so when they break, they record a history of the damage. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
So, you can see here, the two impact points are just there and there. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
The glass has shattered and spread out from the impact point, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
so this is clearly not a manufacturing issue, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
this item has been dropped or damaged in some way. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Some issues are quite obvious, for example, if we open up a laptop and | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
there is mould growing inside, then that is clearly liquid contamination. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
In other instances, it is not as clear-cut as that, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
so what we can ascertain is the damage and the extent of that | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
damage, but we cannot really tell how that was caused. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
So in Manish's case, he claims the laptop was knocked off a table | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
onto a hard floor. However, Currys dispute this. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Typically, when a laptop is knocked off the table when it is plugged in, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
you will get a broken DC socket, you would get a broken screen, damage | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
to the casing of the product. Without having seen this product myself, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
the bottom line is, it was accidental damage, it wasn't wilfully done. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
So, the insurance company should pay for that. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Amir has described near enough down to a T the damage on Manish's | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
laptop, so what about Christine's case? Both the retailer | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
and the manufacturer haven't even bothered to look at | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
her tablet and have already decided it was not a manufacturing issue. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
I'm not sure how someone can assess a product without having it checked by | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
an authorised engineer, so, what I would suggest is that the customer | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
go back to the store and ask them to look at the whole situation again. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
And is there any advice he would give people | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
to help prove their case? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
If you have any kind of dispute for a physically damaged product, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
get an independent assessment done by an authorised repair agent. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
Now, that assessment will either validate your claim or | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
-validate the manufacturer's claim. -And finally, how can you tell | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
the difference between a manufacturing fault against misuse? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
From my over 20 years of experience, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
physical damage is normally quite evident. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
You'll either see signs of liquid | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
contamination inside the product or you will see something that is | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
burnt or essentially, you will see physical damage to the product. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
So, for me, it is quite clear cut. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
If there is no physical damage, if there is no liquid damage, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
there's no signs of the product being tampered with, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
I would treat that as a manufacturing defect. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
This supports our independent IT expert's | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
hands-on inspection of Christine's tablet. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Manish took out a policy that he believed would | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
cover his laptop for any eventuality. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
So are these policies really worth taking out? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
I'm off to find out from The Ombudsman. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
What I'm keen to have a chat with you about, Dave, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
-is about accidental insurance cover. -And what accidental is? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
I've got to ask your opinion of it. Right. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
We're here to talk about accidental damage. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Which is black and white as far as it sounds, but it is not, is it? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
It's not. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
I think a good starting point with accidental damage is this | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
is about insurance for spillages and breakages. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
So, spillages and breakages, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
technically it covers everything to do with accidental damage? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
That's right. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
What it doesn't cover is absolutely anything that happens to you, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
and I think that is the basic misunderstanding that gives | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
-rise to lots of problems in this area. -Can you expand on that? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
On one hand, you've got an insurance policy that is very | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
precise and very technical about certain | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
circumstances where the insurance will pay. On the other hand, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
you've got a lot of consumers who just think it's peace of mind for | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
anything that ever happens to their sofa or their new laptop computer. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
And it's kind of two different worlds, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
two different parallel universes. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
And they collide, and that's usually where we get | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
a dispute that the ombudsman has to sort out. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
-I bet there's a lot of disputes, isn't there? -Hundreds of these disputes. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Usually, it's at the point of a claim, when something happens to your sofa | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
or laptop, and you think, that's OK, I've got insurance to cover it. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
And that's probably the first time you might be | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
looking in detail at your policy or indeed your claim is rejected, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
and that really makes you focus on well, why has it been rejected? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
I thought accidental meant anything that is an accident? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
There are different levels of accidental damage cover, though, aren't there? There's a general one, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
then you can have the one where EVERYTHING is covered. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
There's different sorts of policies you can take out? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
I think that's the general rule with insurance as well. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Most of us assume that they're just standard products | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
and one is like another. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
And every single policy is unique and will have all kinds of terms | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
and conditions that might make it very different to | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
what your understanding of the more general word accidental meant. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
I think it's time to get a firm definition of the term accident. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
What exactly is an accident? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Well, insurance companies would be very clear about that. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
They'll say technically, an accident is something that is unintended | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
and unforeseen, and that makes it sound like a very neat box ticked. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
That's a helpful starting point. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
But it's, what does that really mean in the chaotic, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
confusing circumstances of most people's everyday lives? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
One of the people I'm trying to help had an accident | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
where his laptop fell off the kitchen worktop. That was unforeseen and unintended, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
but somebody in the insurance company said to him, we're not covering that, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
because the damage wasn't consistent. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
What right does that person sitting in an office have to say that | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
-to one of their customers? -Well, that would be the very question | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
that we would ask the ombudsman. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
We'd say to the insurance company, how did you arrive at that decision? | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
How did you go from your technical definition of an accident to | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
applying that to a set of circumstances? | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
What did you look at? What did you consider? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
So, we call for the evidence, and the insurance company, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
by law, has to give us an explanation. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
Why has an insurance company even said that in the first place, if this is the case? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Are they hoping that that person is going to accept that | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
and just they get away with paying out a claim? | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Are they taking that gamble that if they go to you, you'll probably overrule it. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Sadly, it is certainly true that a lot of people, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
at the first rebuff, will just give up and not pursue matters. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
David, you are a wealth of knowledge. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
-Thank you very much indeed. -A pleasure as always. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
Persistence pays, and I have an abundance of it. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
I think the important point here that we can all take | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
home from my chat with David is that these policies might seem | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
great on the surface, but might not actually suit your needs. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
You need to have a look at them. You DO need to make the effort to read the small print | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
and find out whether it actually suits you. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Nothing worse than finding a huge pile of bills on your doormat. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
But when you're getting chased for money you don't even owe, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
well, that's left some of you seeing red, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
and I'm not talking about the final demand. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Penny Clark has lived | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
in her home in Scarborough for 15 years, and gets her gas | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
from Npower, but just over a year ago, she received a bill | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
-from British Gas. -Well, when I got the first bill, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
I didn't really think anything much of it, it was for £4.64, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
it didn't have my name on it, it just said the occupier. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
I knew I didn't get my gas from British Gas. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
It didn't seem to be too much of a problem. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
I didn't actually do anything at all about it, I just thought, oh, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
well, they've got it wrong, who could use £4.64 worth of gas | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
and be sent a bill for it? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
And these bills kept dropping through her letter box. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
When the bills went up to about £100, I realised that even though | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
it was a mistake, I was going to have to do something about it. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
So she called British Gas. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Every phone call takes for ever. You hear a lot of music. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
You get passed from person to person. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
The first person that I told that I didn't | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
get my gas from British Gas, but I'd had a bill, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
they said, yes, you DO get your gas from British Gas. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
Eventually, after a long time, they agreed that actually, no, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
I didn't, it was a mistake. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
However, Penny's call to British Gas didn't seem | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
-to make any difference. -They kept sending bills. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
And they were going up and up and I was becoming extremely concerned, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
especially as they started to become more and more threatening. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
She then got an unexpected visit from a British Gas engineer. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
They just sent somebody who walked up the garden path | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
and looked at the meter. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
And he said it was the wrong one, it was the wrong serial number. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
Well, I'm the only person who has ever lived in this house | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
and I have lived here for 15 years. And I haven't had a new meter. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
But, it didn't seem to make any difference to the bills. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
The bills now totalled over £2,600. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
I was becoming terrified. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
Every time a letter came through the door, I would be worrying that it | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
was going to be some huge amount, but I couldn't seem to stop it. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
And they didn't seem to be interested in stopping it. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
I remember how awful I felt every time another one of them arrived. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
And these other letters are worse. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
These are the ones, notice of disconnection, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
mention of taking me to court to get access to the property. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:26 | |
Which is exactly what happened to Sarah Forster from Newcastle. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
She turned up at her house only to discover British Gas | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
had let themselves in! | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
There's a tiny little hole where the locksmith that they had | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
brought has drilled in, basically, to pick our lock | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
and come into our house. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:46 | |
Unfortunately, as he's done it, he's damaged a mechanism inside, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
which caused our door to eventually not open, and this is | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
obviously why we needed to get both the locks, top and bottom, replaced. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
British Gas had installed a meter in the house | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
because there was an outstanding debt of £2,500. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
The only correspondence they left was a note addressed to the | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
'the occupant' in a folded up piece of paper. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Sarah and her husband had only just bought the house a few days ago | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
and knew the debt could not possibly be theirs | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
so got straight on the phone to British Gas. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
They told her it would be quite straightforward to get | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
the meter taken out if the couple could prove | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
they weren't living at the property at the time. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
British Gas also said Sarah could claim the money | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
back for the locksmith. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
However, weeks went by and the gas meter was still there. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
Now at their wits' end with British Gas, Sarah just wanted to be | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
rid of them, so decided to change company. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
She found a new energy provider who was happy to take the meter out, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
but they would have to charge her £52. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Sarah was so unhappy with British Gas, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
she instructed them to go ahead and do it, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
and is now happy in her new home, albeit £52 out of pocket. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
As for Penny and her ongoing dispute with British Gas, she'd had a visit | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-from the bailiffs. -Actually, he was extremely pleasant, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
and he realised straightaway that it was a mistake and he did | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
say that he would try to sort it out for me, because clearly, I was | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
not living in a block of flats, which is what he had been led to expect. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
He could tell it was a mistake. But, it didn't stop the bills coming. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
Nothing seemed to stop British Gas sending me more and more bills. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
After almost a year of complaining and the bills | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
continuing to soar, Penny decided | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
to go to the head honcho of British Gas. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
After I wrote to the Chief Executive, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
they did put me in touch with an extremely nice complaints | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
lady from British Gas who was, you know, lovely, and helpful. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
Just what you need. Over a year after the first bill, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and countless phone calls to British Gas, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
the letters did eventually stop. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I'm always on tenterhooks waiting to see | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
if another bill is going to come, certainly, if it's got a | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
British Gas sticker on the envelope, I don't really want to open it! | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
I can understand. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
We contacted British Gas and outlined both of these cases. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
For Sarah, they did reimburse her for the cost of replacing the meter | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
and had this to say... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
For Penny, British Gas has reassured us that she | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
will not continue to receive bills in the future and she owes nothing. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
When questioned on the reasons how this mistake was made, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
British Gas said... | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
Sometimes a company just puts their hands up and says, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
do you know what, we made a mistake, and we're going to put it right. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
And I like it when that happens. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
I'm on a mission to help two people who bought products from Currys, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
but were told they had misused their gadgets when they put in claims. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
Christine under her warranty and Manish for accidental damage. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
They should call it a joke policy. It's just a joke. It's nothing else. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
Looking at Manish's case for accidental damage, how have Currys | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
come to the conclusion that he may be | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
being economical with the truth? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
Take this term "misuse". | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
I mean, how on earth can the experts tell | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
the difference between misuse and a genuine accident? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
I mean, take these two plates for example. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Now, if I went yaaawwwwwn... | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
Ooh! That was a genuine accident. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
Take this second one, however, and... | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
Ooops! Misuse. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Now, they both look pretty smashed up to me. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Now, I certainly can't tell the difference between the two. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
How on earth can the experts? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
There's been no sign of the report from the Currys repair lab that | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
I asked for, but we have had an e-mail from Currys. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
They have an offer for Manish, so I'm off to see him | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and see what he makes of it. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
This case should be black and white. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Someone buys an expensive laptop, they take out accidental damage | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
and they have an accident, so the insurance pays out, right? Wrong. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
It's not black and white at all. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
-Hi, Manish. -Hi, Dominic. -Nice to meet you, you all right? | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
Can I come in? Thanks very much. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
That laptop you bought was nearly a year ago now, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
so, of course, it's out of date, it's been superseded, the later | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
models are quicker, faster, better and probably lower in price. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
-Remind me how much you paid for the first laptop? -£629. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Yes. A lot of money. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
Especially considering it's smashed up and in theory, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
you're getting nothing for it. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Well, we've been on the phone to Currys. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
We've tried to sort things out with their press office | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
and we've eventually got an answer from them. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
Now, they're not happy with the fact that you weren't given a new | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
laptop when you should have been under this insurance policy | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
and they would like me to give you this. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
It's not the golden envelope, it's what's in it that counts. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
-That's brilliant. -Have you seen how much it's for? -Yes. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
-£750. -£750. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-Yeah, what do you think about that? -That's brilliant. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
I wasn't expecting this. I seriously wasn't expecting this. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
That's brilliant, what they've done. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
-That's £120 more than you paid for it. -Yes. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Which I would like to think is probably their way of saying, look, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
you know, go and get yourself a nice laptop even when you need one. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-That'll more than cover for it and all your inconvenience. -Yeah. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-I think they've done the decent thing there. -Definitely. -Right. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
They'll be watching. Tell them what you think of Currys now. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
The thing is, if they'd done it in the first place, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
-I wouldn't have had to come here. -Yeah. -You know. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
It was a genuine case and it wasn't, I wasn't doing wrong, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
but, it never would have got to you being involved to get this result. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
-At the end of the day. -Yes. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
And I think that's a good lesson for them and for a lot | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
of other companies out there as well. It shouldn't take me getting | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
involved to try and get these things sorted out. It should happen way | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
-down the line. -Yeah. -We're making small steps in the right direction, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
but anyway, Currys made a big step there for you, haven't they? | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-750 smackers. Happy? -I'm happy. -So am I. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
Thanks, Dominic. All because of you. All because of you. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
Yeah, but at the end of the day, you contacted me, we sorted things out, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
hopefully, we've highlighted an issue | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-and it won't happen again for anybody else. -That's brilliant. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
-So, am I free to go? -Yeah. -Great. I'll get on me bike then! | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
-No worries! -Nice to meet you! -Take care. -Thank you. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Currys have done the right thing. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
-I'm happy with the amount of money they gave me. -So am I. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
We asked Currys to comment on Manish's | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
case and they had this to say... | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
Great! One down, one to go, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
and it's not just accidental damage being branded as misuse. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
My investigations suggest that Christine's tablet DID have a | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
manufacturing issue, BUT both retailer Currys and manufacturer HP | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
diagnosed it as misuse, without actually taking a look at it. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Well, Currys has got back to me on this one too | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
and they've told me... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
And not only that, there's an offer on the table which Christine and her | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
son have received. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
"As a gesture of goodwill, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
"we would be happy to organise a replacement for her tablet. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
"We're sorry for any inconvenience caused." | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
-So you're going to get a new tablet! All right? -Yes. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
-Yeah. Are you glad? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
I'm just glad that something's been done and I can finally resolve it and get back to normal! | 0:41:49 | 0:41:55 | |
I'm absolutely ecstatic, I'm just so glad that it's all sorted | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
and we can finally, I can finally relax a bit more! | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Instead of having to chase up and find out what's happening. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
Currys said that in Christine's case... | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
"If a product is in warranty, we will ask the customer to send it | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
"back to HP so that we can diagnose and remedy the problem correctly." | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
I would like to say thanks ever so much to Dom | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
and without his help, I'm sure this wouldn't have been done, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
and I'm really, really grateful to him | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
and in the end, I think Currys have seen right and I'm glad | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
and maybe I may think about going back there shopping again! | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
Well done, Currys, you've rebooted Manish's | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
and Christine's confidence in you. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 |