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'I'm Dominic Littlewood | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
'and I'm here to champion your consumer rights. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
'In fact, taking companies to task has become my goal in life.' | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
Could you let her know I tried to call? | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
She's probably quite keen to speak to me, actually. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
'Any problem, no matter how big or small, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
'I'll help you get the service you deserve.' | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Let us know if you don't get it sorted. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
'Whether you're bamboozled with technical jargon...' | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
All they kept referring to was extraordinary circumstances, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
which is just pie in the sky, really. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
'..or chasing endlessly to get what you've paid for.' | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
I have never had to make so many phone calls to a company before. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
'Whatever your issues, I'm here to help. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
On today's programme, brand-new cars - | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
the second largest investment we're likely to make after a mortgage. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
I help a couple who are left far from experiencing | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
the ride of their lives. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
When I took the car out, it felt as though it was struggling. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
It was starving of petrol. It just didn't want to go. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Plus, the dangers of buying now then paying later. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
When I open this letter, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
it said I owed £930.20 and it was a final notice. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
And I couldn't believe it. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
And call centres. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
We are going to take you behind the scenes to show you | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
what life is like on the other end of the phone. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
I'm tackling your consumer issues to make sure you don't get done. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
It's got to be a great feeling, buying a brand-spanking-new car. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
The paintwork will be all nice and bright and shiny. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
The interior will smell brand-new as well. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
And, of course, you can hear the purr of the engine | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
for the very first time. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
But when you are spending thousands of pounds of your hard-earned cash | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
on something like a car, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
I think you're entitled to be happy with what you bought. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
But, unfortunately, that isn't always the case. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
I've heard from Catherine and John, who bought a brand-new | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Vauxhall Corsa in 2013 and were unhappy with it from the start. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
It felt lumpy. It was juddering. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
And I just was not comfortable driving that car. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
The couple have made numerous complaints | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
but haven't been able to reach a resolution. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
So, they've contacted me. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
'We just thought, "Well, that's end of the matter | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
'"and we're stuck with a car that we feel isn't fit for purpose."' | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
John and Catherine decided | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
to treat themselves to a new car in April 2013, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
when Catherine's existing motor started to show signs of age. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
It was old and it was probably going to start costing money | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
so I'd weighed everything up and decided to go for a new car. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
And top of their new car short list was the Vauxhall Corsa. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
I've always stuck with Vauxhalls. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
I found them to be very good, very reliable. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
I've never had a bad car yet. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
So, they headed to their nearest dealership, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Bristol Street Motors in Newcastle | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
and John took a Corsa out for a spin and it seemed to fit the bill. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
I just wanted a small car, economical, to get me from A to B. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
They signed on the dotted line | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
and agreed to pay £9,200 for a one-litre Corsa S. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Catherine only needs a car just to go to work and back. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
It just seemed the right type of car for her. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Within weeks, their shiny, brand-new car was delivered. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
'When I sat in and drove it, it just didn't feel right. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
'I was never comfortable driving it from the first time I ever drove it.' | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
It's very noisy, as you can hear. You've got a lot of road noise. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
It judders, hesitates, as you're changing from first to second gear. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
Unsure of the car's performance, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Catherine asked partner John for a second opinion. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
When I took the car out, it felt as though it was struggling, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
it was starving of petrol, it just didn't want to go. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
They returned the car to the dealership | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
for a mechanical inspection. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
So, we took it back to Bristol Street Motors who said that | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
they changed the airflow sensor and they said the car was fine | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
so I drove it away and it was still... | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
The same problem was still recurring. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
After giving the dealer four attempts to fix the car, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Catherine decided to get a second opinion. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
We took it to an independent mechanic | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
and his senior technician took the car out. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
He's an ex-Vauxhall mechanic so he knows about Vauxhalls. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
And he road-tested the vehicle and he said it was really poor performance. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
He did a report which actually said the car was not fit for purpose. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
The report went on to say, in their opinion, the car had issues, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
drives poorly and has a worrying loss of power. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
They presented this report to Bristol Street Motors, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
who took the car back in for more diagnostic testing. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
Each time they came back, "We've fixed this, we've done this," | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
but the problem still remained. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
They basically said there wasn't a problem. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
I kept a very in-depth and detailed record | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
of everything that had happened. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
'Because I really felt strongly that there was a problem with the car.' | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
Over a period of four months, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
Catherine had another two reports done | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
and was back and forwards to the dealership. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
She was given a courtesy car and an offer to resolve the dispute. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
'The courtesy car was exactly the same model and specification' | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
and I said, "The courtesy car drives much better than mine." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
And he said, "Well, do you want that car?" And I said, "No, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
"it's got thousands of miles on it." | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Just shy of 10,000 miles, in fact. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
The offer of a second-hand car as a replacement wasn't exactly | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
the result Catherine was expecting. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
She simply wanted her car put right or a brand-new replacement. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
'Frustrated. Annoyed. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'It felt like we had to go out | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
'and prove that there is something wrong with the car.' | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Catherine had sent through | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
a blow-by-blow account of her complaint - | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
dates, times and who she spoke to and what they said - | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and this really helps when I take on a case. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Catherine and John are convinced there is a problem | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
with their car, but the dealers have checked it five times now | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
and said there's nothing wrong with it. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
So, here lies the problem - they've spent over £9,000 on a car | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
which they're not happy with and they feel they're stuck with it. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
So let's see if I can get this case moving along. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
With over two million cars sold in 2013, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Vauxhall are one of the market leaders, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
with around 12% of the cars sold being theirs - | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
they're definitely big players. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Now, although the car is built by Vauxhall, my first port of call | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
is to go to Bristol Street Motors, the dealer that sold them the car. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I've sent them an e-mail to see what they've got to say about everything. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I tell them about the car's juddering and hesitation | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
and ask them to give me their take on Catherine and John's concerns. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
Hopefully, I won't be left waiting too long for a response | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
and I'm keen to see what they will say. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
Is this a problem which you have come across before with this model? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
We are all familiar with the frustration | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
of dealing with call centres. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
Automated answering... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
'Press one for customer services.' HE SIGHS | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
..and being passed from one department to another. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
For some of us, it's the bane of our life. What? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
'Press three for technical support.' | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
I have to go through loads of options and menus | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
until, after ten minutes or even more, I am directed to the adviser. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
I would say 70% of the time you get the run-around. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
The UK contact centre industry employs around 1.1 million people, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
that's nearly 4% of the employed population. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
There are around eight billion calls | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
made to UK contact centres each year. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
But whenever I call, I just feel like I'm being read a script. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
And I'm not alone. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:42 | |
I think people in call centres are told to only answer a certain | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
set of questions, but occasionally you will get those people who go | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
the extra bit to help you out that you need them to. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
One of the UK's largest call centres has opened its door to us. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
They handle calls for a variety of companies | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
and should be able to help us understand how they work. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
As you can see on the screen, we've got the opening salutation here, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
which says, "Good afternoon. Thank you for calling | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
"the Don't Get Done Get Dom consumer helpline. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
"You're through to..." It will take the name of the agent. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
So, here, it says, "David." Then, "How may I help you today?" | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
And then we've got a list of different call types. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
So we have "make a complaint" | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
and then it goes to this bit of scripting here. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
We would say, "If you have had a bad experience with a company | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
"and you think you're not alone, Dom may be able to help. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
"If you'd like to get in touch with Dominic Littlewood, I can | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
"take a few details from you now or provide you with our e-mail address." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Crikey. It's like having my very own PA. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
'Press two for complaints.' | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
We phone call centres for many reasons | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
but one of the main ones is to complain, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
meaning sometimes the agent ends up getting an earful. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
I'll tell you what. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
Spare a thought for the person on the other end of the phone. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
I mean, it's not the easiest job in the world. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
And bear in mind they can probably give you a few tips | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
on how to get what you want. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
David Freedman, managing director of Confero, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
is the man in the know when it comes to call centres. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Don't pick up the phone and shout. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
No-one wants to get into a shouting match. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Talk, explain your whole circumstance. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Let the agent guide you through the best course of action. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
And just... If you treat them as a friend, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
they are going to have that same level of respect. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
If you shout and scream at them, they are going to immediately | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
get their back up and you're treated as an enemy, not a friend. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
Remember, stay calm. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:33 | |
And if that doesn't work, what other options do you have? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
There are times where every consumer feels like they're | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
just not getting the answer. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
They're not getting what they're hoping they were going to | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
when the came through on the call, which is effectively a resolution. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
There are always supervisors and managers that are there | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
and available to help. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Right, you've spoken to the rep, you've spoken to the supervisor | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
and you're still not happy. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
If you need to escalate your complaint and you've reached | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
the highest level, if you like, on the phone, do ask for an e-mail | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
address or a written address for the head office of that business. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
You can ask for the head of customer services, for example, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
and they may or may not have that information available or be | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
able to give it, however, write to the head of customer | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
services at the address given and that claim will always be escalated. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
So, stay calm, explain your case clearly, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
if you're not happy with the outcome, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
escalate your call to a superior | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
and, most importantly, remember, they are simply trying to help you. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
Good advice, and worth remembering the next time that you're having | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
a call centre crisis. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
No, Dominic. No, not Roderick. Dominic. D-O-M-I-N-I-C. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
Catherine and John are now the owners of a Vauxhall Corsa | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
but they're not happy with the way it drives. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
It's hesitant, it judders. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
It feels a bit like you're driving with kangaroo petrol | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
because it is jerking all the time. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
The issue here is Catherine wants to reject her car | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
but has been refused because the Vauxhall mechanics | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
are saying there is nothing wrong with it. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
So, I e-mailed Bristol Street Motors a few days ago | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
and their commercial director, a guy called David Crane, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
has got back to me already. Now, he says, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
"Our honest opinion is that the vehicle is operating normally. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
"There is no doubt that Mrs Gibson is unhappy with | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
"the performance of the vehicle and our assurance that it is not | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
"displaying a fault are not likely to change. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
"We can offer to replace Mrs Gibson's car, which is | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
"a white one-litre Corsa S, with another white one-litre Corsa S. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
"For clarity, the replacement car will have been | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
"registered in the September..." So, a few months old. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
"..and will have been used as a courtesy car in our accident | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
"repair centre and it's got less than 1,000 miles on it." | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Now, whilst I appreciate that the offer of exchanging the car | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
like-for-like is quite a generous one, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
you have got to bear in mind that Catherine won't be getting | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
a brand-spanking-new car which she did pay for | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
and she also won't be getting the lifetime warranty because | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
the replacement one is technically classed as a second-hand one. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
We've also taken her complaint to Vauxhall headquarters themselves. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
After all, Catherine did try to reject the car through them as well. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
They have also got back to me | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and have arranged to pick her car up for one lot of final tests. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
It sounds positive. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
But Bristol Street Motors has so far already run a total of | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
five diagnostics and no fault has been found | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
and, on top of that, the couple have had three independent reports | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
done which all state that the car doesn't drive as it should. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
"When changing from first to second gear and from second to third, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
"there was a slight hesitation/judder which was evident." And it agreed | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
with the independent mechanic's report that we'd already had. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
"It had a worrying loss of power | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
"and the car was not fit for purpose." | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
When we took the report to Bristol Street they still said there was | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
no problem with the car and we said it was an ex-Vauxhall mechanic | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
had driven the car and he said that his mechanics live | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
and breathe Vauxhall and basically implied that this mechanic | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
didn't know what he was talking about. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
OK. We've got numerous mechanics saying different things. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
This is mysterious. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
'With the Corsa at head office undergoing tests, I think | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
'it's best I just get on the blower. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
'I give Dennis Chick, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
'the communications director at Vauxhall HQ, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
'a call to talk through the case.' | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
RINGING | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-Oh, hi, is that Dennis? -'Hi, Dom, it's Dennis here. Hi, how are you?' | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
I'm fine, thanks. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
What can you tell me about the Catherine Gibson case so far? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
'Well, I'm aware of the issues she's had and | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
'I'm aware of the independent tests she's had. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
'It's an interesting little case, this, I think. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
'Let's get it right, do it step-by-step. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
'I'm open-minded about this. I want to drive the car myself. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
'I want to feel it for myself. I'll come to you after tomorrow. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
'I'll let you know how I feel and then we'll take it from there, Dom. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-'OK?' -Yeah, that's perfect. Can I just ask - | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
is this a problem which you've come across before with this model? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
'No, it isn't. That's the issue. It isn't. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
'You know, it's a very robust small car. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
'It's quite a heavy car for the little, tiny engine | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
'and you have to drive it with a certain technique. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
'Well, not a particular technique but you have to drive it | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
'in consideration of having a very small engine. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
'So it may feel underpowered to some people, but that's what it is. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
'If you want more power, you go up to 1.2 or 1.4. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
'I want to see whether that is what maybe she is feeling and | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
'give you my opinion of that | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
'and then, as I say, we should go from there. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
'I want to see if there is a hesitation | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
'because I will notice it if there is one.' | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
I'd love you to have a drive. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
You're obviously the director up there, you're the main man. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Have a drive and give us your opinion. Let us know. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
-Nice talking to you again, Dennis. -'Thank you. Cheers, Dom.' -Bye-bye. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
I like the way that call went. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
He's going to drive the customer's car himself. That's the director. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
I'm going to give him the whole weekend to do that | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
then call back next week and see what he's got to say | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
and hopefully we'll be able to sort this out for Catherine once | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
and for all. Nothing more we can do at this point. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
'Apart from investigate another area of Catherine's case.' | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Now, she tried to reject her car three times to the dealer, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
then the manufacturer and then her finance company. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
All three rejected her rejection. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
So, what exactly are your rights if you're not happy with your new car? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Motor Codes is a Government-backed self-regulatory body | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
for the motor industry, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
which operates a Trading Standards-approved | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
code of practice across all things car-related. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
If you are unhappy with your vehicle, you've got your legal rights | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
in addition to the warranty protection that the manufacturers | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
give you for the new-car warranty. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
The Sale Of Goods Act states that goods should be fit for purpose | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
and/or of satisfactory quality. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
There is no automatic entitlement to a refund. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
A common misconception from the high street | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
is that you will get a cooling-off period automatically | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
when you buy goods, which isn't actually the case. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
So, when you buy a new vehicle, you are only entitled to | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
exercise your legal rights and look at rejection if there is breach of | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
contract and that's if it is not fit for purpose or satisfactory quality. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
So, if you've just had a change of heart or didn't like the colour | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
then, unfortunately, there's no obligation. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
So make sure you know what you're buying | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and everything's agreed upfront before you enter into the sale. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
In Catherine's case, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
she doesn't believe her Corsa is of a satisfactory quality or | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
fit for purpose but, as we know, Vauxhall don't agree. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
If you're not happy with the vehicle you've purchased then | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
always let the seller know as soon as possible that you're unhappy. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
It's usually considered reasonable to give at least two or three | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
opportunities to try and fix the vehicle before looking at other | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
options such as exchanging it or looking for a refund on the goods. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
More often than not, it will be quicker to try and repair | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
a vehicle than to go down a more formal channel to reject them. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Catherine has given them five chances to repair the car | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
and has three independent reports which seems to echo | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
the couple's concerns about the way the car drives. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
A seller could refuse rejection of a vehicle | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
if they can offer a remedy. So it might be someone is looking | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
to have a refund but the vehicle could be repaired under the warranty | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
but if they are rejecting their request | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
then they need to be clear about why that is | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
and what remedies they are going to put in place instead. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
If negotiations break down, then put everything in writing so there is | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
always a paper trail of anything that has been agreed or discussed. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
As we know, Bristol Street Motors have been clear | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
that, in their opinion, there is nothing wrong with the car, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
and they've offered a solution. But, as Catherine isn't happy | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
with their offers, they've reached a stalemate. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
More often than not, you should be able to enter into discussions | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
and negotiates towards a resolution. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
If there is a difference in opinion about what the fault is or | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
if there is a fault on the vehicle, then a second opinion or | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
an expert report should be sufficient for you to demonstrate your case. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
We are able to effectively manage expectations | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
and make sure that both parties can work towards a middle ground. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
More often than not, a consumer might have higher expectations than | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
what they are entitled to but, likewise, it might be that | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
the manufacturer or retailer isn't offering a fair resolution. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
We can actually enforce an outcome that we think is fair to | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
resolve a dispute, where necessary. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
Catherine has done everything by the book | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
but she's still got a car she's not happy with. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
But my investigation seems to be picking up speed. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Vauxhall's head office in Luton has got back to me | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
'after the head honcho took the car out for a test drive | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
'and their mechanics gave it a sixth going over.' | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
I've had an e-mail from Dennis at Vauxhall and he says, "The car | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
"has no technical faults and drives like any other one-litre Corsa. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
"I have driven the car personally..." Pleased about that. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
"..and find that it drives well | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
"and certainly does not exhibit any hesitation or judder. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
"It did, however, serve to remind me how different a three-cylinder car | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
"feels to a four-cylinder in terms of its sound and character." | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
Bingo. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
So, if there is categorically no technical fault then this | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
whole case could come down to the car just being less powerful | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
than Catherine was expecting | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
and could explain some of the car's characteristics she described to me. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
In order to discover more about the engine type they've bought, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
I've asked them to do a bit of research | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
and see what online reviews say about their model. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
We've done some more research on the Corsa ecoFLEX S one-litre | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
and What Car? says that it's best avoided. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
"You might be tempted by the low price but the weedy one-litre engine | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
"will make you wish | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
"you'd forked out for a bigger engine in a higher trim." | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
I found another review that says, "The one-litre petrol engine | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
"is noisy and painfully slow." | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
If I'd read this before I bought the car, I wouldn't have bought the car. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
After reading the reports, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
it looks like obviously Vauxhall has put a one-litre engine | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
into a Corsa what's too small for the type of car that it is. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
I was aware that the car was a one-litre. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
I knew that was the car I was buying. I had a one-litre car for years. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
A little Micra, a little run-around and it was great. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
I never had any problems with it at all. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
After reading the reviews, it's really disappointing to | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
read that the car is actually best avoided. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
We didn't do any research, sadly, before we bought the car. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
We wish we had, in hindsight. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
If I buy another car, I will do research on the internet. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
It's really easy just to find out. Just put a few words in, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
you can see other people's reviews and you can find out | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
if you're buying a good or bad car. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Now, these reviews come from a respected car magazine | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
and there is an interesting point here because if you're going to | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
shell out thousands of pounds on a new car, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
it's important to know exactly what you're buying and remember | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
what Motor Codes said about doing your research before you buy. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
After looking at the reviews on the Corsa then, in retrospect, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
we would have gone to the dealership | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
and asked more questions for why it's got such a bad review | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
and what size engine or different specs of the car, so we'd have been | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
made more aware of the situation that we'd put ourselves in. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
How many of you actually do do your homework | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
before splashing out on a set of wheels? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
There are some key questions you should ask before buying a car. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Whether it's a three or a four-cylinder, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
a one-litre engine or bigger. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
I've come to meet Emma Butcher to find out more. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
-Hi, Emma. -Hi, Dom. -'Emma works for What Car? Magazine | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
'and test drives hundreds of different cars every year | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
'and I'm keen to find out | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
'what she thinks of John and Catherine's situation.' | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
She felt the car was faulty. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
It's been checked and proved that it's not. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
What do you think might have happened there? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Well, from what you tell me, it sounds like she may not have | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
bought the right engine for what she actually needs. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
How much difference are we talking about, as far | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
as a driver is concerned, between a three and a four-cylinder car, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
let's sat, a one-litre and a 1.2? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Well, three-cylinder engines can have a lot more power in them | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
these days but you will probably notice slightly less power | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
than in a four-cylinder engine. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
You know, you need to apply more power in order to get more | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
-power out of the engine. -You've got to drive them harder, haven't you? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Absolutely, yeah. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
So it clearly does make a difference to the way the car drives | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and is the sort of thing that you should be looking for | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
when you test drive a car. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
Now, if somebody was about to buy a new car, what would you say to them? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
-Is a test drive essential? -A test drive is absolutely essential. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Once you've decided exactly what sort of car you want and you've | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
narrowed down your choices, you do need to go to the showroom and ask | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
the dealer for a car that most closely matches the car that you | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
are interested in, and get out on the road and give it a good old test. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Our advice is to get the car out on the road | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
for as long as you possibly can. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
So don't be fobbed off with a quick ten-minute blast around the block. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
You really need to get a good feel for the car | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
and that means spending some decent time in it. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
So we would say at least half an hour, if not longer. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Now, what important points should people bear in mind | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
if they're going to test drive a car? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Well, the first thing you need to do is make sure that you're testing | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
the car that you're actually going to buy. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Now, you might not be able to get the exact match because, obviously, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
dealers can't stock every single car in their showroom. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
However, the thing that you really need to do is to make sure | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
that you get the right engine. That's the absolutely crucial point | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
because that is going to have the biggest effect on your enjoyment of | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
the car and whether it can actually cope with your day-to-day needs. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
So make sure that you ask for the engine that you want. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
Emma stresses just how important doing your research is | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and how crucial making sure the car you test drive | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
is as similar as possible to the one you end up buying. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
With this in mind, I give Catherine a quick call to find out | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
from her exactly what specification of car John test drove. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
RINGING | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
-Catherine, hi. It's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC. -'Hi there.' | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Catherine, I've just been trying to sort something out with your car. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
-'Yeah.' -There's a couple of things I need to check up on. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
When you went to buy the car, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
did you have a test drive in a like-for-like model? | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
'That's what we don't know, Dominic. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
'We went out in a car, a Corsa, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
-'but we've got no proof that it was the same car.' -Right. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
'We didn't actually look at the time. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
'We didn't actually make sure that it was a like-for-like. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
'John thinks that it possibly was not like-for-like.' | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
OK, so leave it with me | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
and I shall see what I can do for you and give you a call back. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
-'Lovely. Thanks, Dom.' -Thanks, Catherine. -'Thanks, bye.' | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
'It's not good that the couple didn't pay attention to what car | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
'they actually test drove on the day. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
'John may think it was a bigger engine but what proof does he have?' | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
John, I just had a word with Catherine about the car. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Do you know what engine size that was? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
'Well, we are presuming it was the same model | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
'but obviously we can't prove that. We can't be sure about that. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
'We didn't go very far. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
'We just went down the street and up a bit of a dual carriageway. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
'It was only probably two miles, that's all we did in it. That's it.' | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
Right. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
'The actual car what we test drove, cos I test drove, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
'it didn't drive anything like what Catherine's got at the minute. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
'You know, the hill what leads up to Bristol Street Motors, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:19 | |
'it's a fairly steep hill | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
'and Catherine's car struggles to get up it. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
-'Well, this one didn't seem to struggle at all.' -Right, OK. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
-Nice talking to you, John. -'OK. Thanks a lot. Cheers. Bye.' | 0:25:28 | 0:25:34 | |
Neither John or Catherine are sure about the spec of car | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
he test drove, but John seems to think it felt very different | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
to what they ended up buying. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
It really doesn't help that Catherine didn't do | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
the original test drive for a car that was meant for her, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and John only took it out for a couple of miles. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
To get some clarity, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
'it's time I started asking the question elsewhere.' | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Now, as Vauxhall have shown, there is | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
no mechanical fault with this car. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
This complaint has reverted back to Bristol Street Motors. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
So, I e-mailed David Crane to get confirmation on the exact | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
specification of the Corsa John drove. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Buy now and pay later. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
It's a term we've all heard of a million times | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
but an awful lot can happen in 6, 12 or 24 months | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
and finances can be pretty awkward to keep track of. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Meet Chris and fiancee Nadia. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Chris is a mechanic in the Army who spends a lot of time away | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and likes to make full use of his time at home. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
When I go home, I want to keep my fitness up. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
So, in 2012, when Chris returned from a tour of Afghanistan, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
he decided to treat himself to some new gym equipment. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
So, I just felt, you know, I'll go in and I'll get myself a weight bench | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
just so I can keep ticking over when I go home. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
Chris went down to his local branch of Argos. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
I've previously used Argos many a time to buy different | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
products from there. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
Always have a look there when you're shopping round or whatever. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
I went in there to buy it and it was a good price, £130, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
with different accessories. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
But rather than pay cash, Chris was offered an Argos card which allowed | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
him to buy now and pay later with a period of interest-free credit. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
I was offered six months and I only wanted to pay it over three | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
but I still had... | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
So it was three payments over six months is what I chose to do. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
The timing of the offer was perfect, as it was an expensive time | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
for Chris and Nadia. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Next month, I was due to get married so, you know, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
paying it off over a couple of months seemed the logical thing to do. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
I arranged for a direct debit | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
to be taken out at the start of every month. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
I get paid at the end of every month | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
there's no way money couldn't be there. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
I was told if it wasn't paid by six months, I'd be informed | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and charged interest. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
And Chris certainly didn't think he'd need to worry about that. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
A couple of days later, the weight bench arrived. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
I was very happy with it. Got plenty of use out of it. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
When I go home now, to this day, I still use it. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
By spreading the cost of his weight bench, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Chris had opted to pay a shade over £43 per month for three months. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
'I expected the first payment to come out in March 2012.' | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
'It never came out until April,' | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
which I didn't mind. I had six months. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
I didn't think anything of it at the time. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
In fact, the couple forgot all about their interest-free deal. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
'The next time I thought about the Argos finance package was | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
'in about...I think it was July' | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
and Chris's mum had mentioned it | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
and I just thought it should have been paid off. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
So, Nadia popped into her local bank branch to check. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
When I asked the bank teller, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
she said that the last direct debit had been taken out over a month | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
ago so I presumed all the payments had been paid | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
and that we had none left. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
Because of that, I decided to cancel the direct debit. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
And that was that. Everything paid off. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Around this time, the couple had relocated from North Wales to | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
Army accommodation in Yorkshire. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
With my job, I'm supposed to move every two to three years, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
give or take what posting you're on. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
As moving is such a regular occurrence, Chris tends to | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
use his parents' address for much of his correspondence. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
The bank and the finances, they always stay to one address. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
It saves getting messed about and important letters getting lost. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
A few months after the move to Yorkshire, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Chris was sent away again. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
'I went away on tour in October. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
'I was away for about four months.' | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
In that meantime, Nadia had been staying at home with my parents. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
But when Chris came home, the pair made a surprising discovery. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
'We went up to check on the house in Yorkshire | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
'to check everything was in order. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
'When I opened this letter, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
'it said I owed £930.20 and it was a final notice. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
'I couldn't believe it, you know. I started looking through the post | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
'to see if there was an initial notice.' | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
There wasn't. It was just a final notice. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
When I phoned up the debt collection agency I was saying, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
"Look, you've made a mistake here. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
"Someone's got my card and they've done fraud against me. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
"Something's gone wrong like this." Then, when the penny dropped, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
they actually said it was to do with a weight bench. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
I just thought, "No, it couldn't be. How could it be that?" | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
Because it was all paid for. It was done. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
Chris contacted Argos, who told him the third payment of £43 | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
hadn't been collected because they had cancelled their direct debit. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
They said interest had accrued on the unpaid amount. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
But hang on a minute. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
What I don't understand is, where did 930 come from? | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
Exactly. Chris needed to get to the bottom of what this amount | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
was in relation to, and why the first they'd known about it was | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
when they got a letter from debt collectors. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
'Argos said to me they'd sent me letters.' | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
I said, "Well, we've received just one." | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
'She then went on to say, "Well, no, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
'"we've sent numerous letters and they've gone to your old address. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
'"The new tenants have sent them back." | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
'I then started laughing.' | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
I said, "Well, that's funny, isn't it? My parents live there. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
"My wife has been staying with them and she has permission to open | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
"all my letters and my parents would not send letters back to you. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
'"So, you know, where are these letters?"' | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Argos' response was that they couldn't show me the letters | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
they'd sent that had been returned to them, cos they destroyed them. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
The company maintained that Chris owed £930. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
But whilst the couple were trying to resolve this worrying situation, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
Chris's R&R had come to an end and he was back on tour. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
'My husband was there and I was trying to sort it all out.' | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Yet, despite Nadia's best efforts, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
when Chris returned two months later, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
things still weren't resolved. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
I've arrived home now, in the middle of April, still no answer. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Nadia had tried to follow it up but... I think we must have sent them | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
three or four letters and every time we were sincere with what | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
we were saying, or we were very bothered about what was going on. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
Whichever way you look at it, this was a strange situation. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
So the couple contacted me and I got on to Argos. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
They investigated and things started to become clearer. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
It turned out Chris previously had another Argos card | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
and there were two items on there, including a £505.94 laptop | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
that hadn't been paid off within the interest-free period. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
As a result, these outstanding balances were subject to | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
a hefty 29.9% APR. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Now, that's a word of warning for any consumer taking | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
advantage of this type of offer. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Buy now, pay later is often free for the first year or a set | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
period of time, which means that you won't have to pay anything. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
After that time, you will be charged interest | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
and that can be up to 30%, which really does add up. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
But when it comes to avoiding these charges, the onus is on us consumers | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
to make sure we pay off our balance whilst the interest is free. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
In a perfect world, a company would tell us | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
when a deadline is approaching. Once you've signed the contract, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
they have no responsibility to tell you. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
It's really up to you to make the payments. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Of course, Argos say they wrote to Chris | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
but he claims he never received the letters. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
He does now acknowledge the laptop was not fully paid off but he | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
didn't realise this at the time, and because it was his responsibility | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
to check, Argos didn't have to contact him to tell him. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
There is some good news, though. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Since I contacted them, Argos have written to Chris and Nadia. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
"As a gesture of goodwill for the customer on this occasion, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
"we have refunded the fees applied to the account before it was | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
"referred to our administrators in January 2013. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
"However, the remaining balance of the account does need to be cleared." | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
As a goodwill gesture, Argos has wiped | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
a total of £120 charges from the account and they told us | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
customers are sent a paper statement of their account and | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
outstanding balances every month and that 19 letters were sent to Chris. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
When mail is returned to them, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
they check their records to ensure the customer's address is the same. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
If it is, as it was in this case, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
they have no reason to keep the letters. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
If you want to take advantage of a buy now, pay later deal, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
there are some important things to remember. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
The first thing you should do is set up a reminder for the payments | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
or, better still, set up a direct debit. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Let's hope Chris and Nadia will be heeding that advice in the future. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
We'll go to Argos again, we just won't get an Argos card. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
It's a hard lesson for this young couple | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
but it's a lesson for all of us. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
Keep a handle on what you owe and pay your bills on time. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
I've been helping John and Catherine | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
get to the bottom of what was wrong with their juddering Corsa. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
When we took the reports to Bristol Street, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
they still said there was no problem with the car | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
and we said it was an ex-Vauxhall mechanic had driven the car | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
and he said that his mechanics live and breathe Vauxhall and basically | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
implied that this mechanic didn't know what he was talking about. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
But Vauxhall have looked at the car for the sixth time and I'm also | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
now of the thinking that there's nothing wrong with it, but that | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
the couple purchased an engine size that didn't meet their expectations. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
After reading the reports, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:26 | |
it looks like obviously Vauxhall has put a one-litre engine | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
into a Corsa what's too small for the type of car that it is. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
Catherine and John didn't do any research into this model | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
prior to buying it, and also only took it out for a very short test | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
drive and John remembers the car he originally test drove felt | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
more powerful than Catherine's present Corsa, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
but the couple cannot give me the exact spec of the car. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
It's a bit of a mystery. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:52 | |
To get confirmation, I e-mailed Bristol Street Motors to find out | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
what car John did take out and David Crane got back to me. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
He confirms that John would have test driven the same car | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
as Catherine ended up buying | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
and, like Vauxhall, Bristol Street Motors maintain there is nothing | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
mechanically wrong with it and that the problem simply lies with | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
the fact that the couple just aren't happy with the engine. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
But despite this, they are willing to put another | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
offer on the table. Time to call David. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
Right, let's chase this case up and see what I can sort out. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
BEEPING | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
'A new offer does sound promising so let's see what he's got to say. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
'And I've got my fingers crossed.' | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
David, hi, it's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC. Good afternoon. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
I just wondered if you can tell me what it is you're going to be | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
proposing now for Catherine as a resolve. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
'David and I have a good chat about the case and whilst he maintains | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
'there's nothing wrong with the car, and they did test drive | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
'the one-litre three-cylinder model, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
'he has got another offer for the couple.' | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
OK, so are we happy to end it on that then, David? | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
We'll speak to you, tie up the loose ends. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
Thanks very much for your help. Appreciate it. Bye-bye. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
I think I've got as far as I can with this investigation | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
so it's time to head up north. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
I'm in Newcastle to meet Catherine and John because I've got | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
some news for them which I don't think they're expecting. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
I think rain is due, it's cold, it's miserable, but I love Geordies | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
because my mum was one. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
-Catherine. -Hi. Hi, Dom. Thanks for coming. Nice to meet you. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Come in. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
What I noticed, Catherine, is when you contacted me, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
you e-mailed through a really, really thorough, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
comprehensive list of dates, times, who you spoke to, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
what their response was, etc, etc, etc. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
It was absolutely spot-on | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
and I really, really admire people who do that. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Cos as soon as you get a problem, no matter what it is, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
they're the things which can help make or break a case. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
I noticed, coming up the drive, there is an Astra there, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
which must be yours, John, and obviously you own a Corsa, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
-Catherine, so fair to say you are probably Vauxhall fans, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Always been happy with them. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
-But you're not a happy chappie at the moment, are you? -No. -Why not? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
-What do you think is wrong with this car? -It judders, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
it hesitates when you change gear | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
and when you pull away from the roundabout | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
there's just not the power. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
Was it OK for a while and then you thought it had a problem or | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
were you disappointed from the start? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Disappointed from the start, as soon as I drove it. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
In an ideal world, what would you like? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Ideally, I'd like to reject the car, to take it back. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
The bad news is, I spoke to various different people, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
people you bought the car from, Vauxhall, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
they're not going to give you money back for the car. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
I think probably the best thing we can do now is | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
I'd like to go out with you, Catherine, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
and just have a little drive in the car just to get a feel of what | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
you think the problems are and see | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
if we can sort of point the finger in any direction. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
-Are you happy to do that? -Yeah. -Brilliant. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
'Catherine's car has been at Vauxhall's head office in Luton. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
'We've arranged for it to be delivered back to Catherine's house. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
'But there is little surprise for her.' | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
That's not my car. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
-Is that not your old car then? -No, that's not my car. -Right. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
OK. Because that is a 1.2 SXI, 16 valve. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
That's got 85 PS compared to your old 65 one. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
SHE WHISTLES | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Well, shall we just keep this? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
Well, it's 13 and a half grand. You know what? You can. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Because Vauxhall are exchanging your old car for this one. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
They're giving you a 1.2 SXI, four-cylinder, 16 valve | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
85 break horsepower car, brand-spanking-new, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
pre-reg, no-one's owned it, they registered it. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
That would normally cost you 13 and a half grand | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
and they're giving it to you as a straight swap. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
They want you to be happy. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I can't believe that. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:07 | |
Thank you so much. Thank you. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
I can't believe that. I'm so grateful. I really am. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
-I think you need to have a little drive. -Yeah. -Yeah? Come on then. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
Come with us. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:25 | |
We wrote to Bristol Street Motors regarding the case | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
and they sent us the following statement. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
I think I'd say it is. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
We also sent to the same request to Vauxhall, who replied saying... | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
There are lessons for us all here. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Research and test drive are the two key elements you need to do | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
when buying a car. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
Know what you are buying before you sign on the dotted line | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
and save yourself an awful lot of bother. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
That is absolutely unbelievable. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
This has been a great outcome for Catherine. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
She has now got the car which she probably should have | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
bought in the first place. She's over the moon. John's over the moon. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
He even had a little tear in his eye. I'm over the moon. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Do you know what? It's been a great, great day. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
Everybody's happy. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Apart from the fact I'm stuck in Newcastle | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
and it's a long way back home. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
Right. Taxi! | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
-I can't believe what's just happened. -No. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
I never thought in a million years that Dom would be able to get | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
the outcome that he has, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
let alone this gorgeous car. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
It's a huge weight off our minds, isn't it? | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
I know to other people it probably seems like a small thing | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
but when, you know, you're experiencing it, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
the frustration of just getting nowhere. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
We thought, "We're just stuck with that car," | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
and that was it and I just want to say a huge thank you to Dom. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
Yes, thank you very much, Dom. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
'I'm really looking forward to driving the car. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
'I'm looking forward to driving again and feeling confident | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
'while I'm driving, hopefully.' | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 |