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My name is Dominic Littlewood

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and I'm passionate about taking on your consumer battles.

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In fact, taking companies to task has become my mission in life.

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Do you think she deserves her money back?

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I said, "Yeah."

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Big or small, no company's excused from my quest to ensure you

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guys get what you're entitled to. Let us know if you don't get sorted.

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Whether it's getting your money back...

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It was extraordinary circumstances.

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You're not entitled to any sort of compensation at all...

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Or taking on your contract conundrums...

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You book a holiday with that company,

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that company should be the one that you complain to.

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Whatever the issue, I'm here to help.

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We'd all like technology to make our lives that little bit easier.

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But I help out a lady whose life just got harder.

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The whole debacle is absolutely pointless.

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Buying goods which don't do what they say on the tin leaves

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some of you feeling slightly off-colour.

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We then looked at another window and that had turned yellow as well.

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It was a bit of a panic, to be truthful.

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And I give you the lowdown on how to tackle the big companies.

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They don't value you as a customer,

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they just think of you as another person.

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I'm taking on your consumer problems to make sure you don't get done.

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As consumers, we make millions of purchases each year.

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And what do we want from them?

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Well, we want to make sure they suit our needs and that they work.

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So what happens when you buy a product that isn't faulty,

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but it doesn't work for you?

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80-year-old Joan from Cambridgeshire has contacted me

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with exactly that problem,

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after buying a mobility aid for her bathroom, due to an arthritic hip.

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I can't get into the bath any more.

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Well, I can get in, but I can't sit down in the bath.

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I have to stand up and pour water over myself.

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Very often if I sit down for very long,

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when I go to get up my hip is sort of almost set.

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And it takes me a couple of minutes to get going again.

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Despite paying out nearly £1,700 for the bath lift, according to

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Joan it hasn't helped her one bit to get in and out of the bath.

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The product is working, just not for Joan.

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I have still got to get my legs over into the bath.

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And it's all right with one leg.

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I mean, it's the leg that's got to go in the bath first that needs

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the help to get in.

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The whole experience is rather, as you can see, off-putting,

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painful for the right leg. Because that is the one that's the problem.

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And to my way of thinking, not any use at all.

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But the company has refused her a refund

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and that's why she's contacted me.

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I was very disappointed to think that I'd paid out all that money, which

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I really couldn't afford, because it had taken me two years to save it up.

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I'd just got this thing stuck there which I couldn't use and I think

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I've used it about five or six times at the most.

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It's a frustrating situation for Joan,

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who in every other area of her life, is an active octogenarian.

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I live here on my own, apart from my dog and pony out in the yard.

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Obviously I can't bring the pony indoors! Steady now, steady. Steady.

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I have three acres of land which I have to look after.

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A large garden.

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Joan is widowed, but staunchly independent,

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and doesn't want her hip getting in the way of that.

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So, when she saw the bath lift in a TV advert in May 2013,

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she was interested.

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When I first saw the Aqualift, I thought, that seems a good idea.

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This is how the company described their product in their adverts.

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Has getting in and out of your bath become a bit of a problem?

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An Aqualift from Willowbrook could be the answer.

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Aqualift is safe and easy-to-use,

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with no worries about losing your balance or slipping.

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They were saying that you could go up and down in the bath in comfort.

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Then I sent away to them, or phoned them,

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and they sent me a brochure with it in.

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And it looked to be fine and I thought,

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"Oh, that's what I need, something that's going to

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"put me up and down in the bath without any problems."

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Joan called the company which makes the Aqualift, Willowbrook Ltd,

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to arrange for one of their "free, no obligation" home demonstrations.

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She discussed her hip ailments with a Willowbrook representative,

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and they arranged for her to receive a visit from one

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of their sales people.

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They also responsibly recommended she had a relative with her

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during the demonstration.

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Enter Joan's son, Gary.

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When the rep from Willowbrook came round,

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he set up a frame in the living room with the product

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so we could see roughly what it was like, regarding for use in the bath.

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He showed us how it fixed onto the bath and regarding

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how it would be mounted.

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He then progressed to sit on it himself, show us how it worked,

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how it went up and down. Which at the time seemed reasonable.

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He just said, that's how it works, and went upstairs to measure

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the bath and came down and said, "Right, that's it." You know.

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And I said, "OK, seems fine".

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And I said to my son, "What do you think?"

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And he said, "Well, it looks good, Mum."

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He said, "That's just what you want."

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You know, there's nobody here if you fall, you know.

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So that would be ideal.

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Joan paid the deposit of £176.

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The total cost of the bath lift was a clean 1,676.

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It was a significant amount of money.

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But for Joan, her savings were being well spent.

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You know, I thought, this is fine.

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You know, in a couple of weeks' time when they come and deliver it,

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I'm going to have a safe bath.

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But it didn't work out that way, unfortunately.

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It seemed the people fitting the bath lift had different ideas

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from the sales rep as to the suitability of Joan's bathroom.

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And they told her that, after fitting it.

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He did say at the time that because my bath was short,

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it wasn't where they normally fit them.

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They normally fit them where the bath slopes down, where it slopes

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down at the back to the flat bit, they normally fit them across there.

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But they couldn't because my bath was short.

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Joan was told that due to having to have space to remove the lift's

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rechargeable battery,

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the fitters had to install the Aqualift further forward

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in Joan's bath. It was an ominous start.

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Well, that night I went up for my bath, went to lower myself into the

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water, only to find that I was being tipped over one side of the bath.

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And I thought, oh, maybe I'm not doing it right.

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So I sort of went up again, readjusted myself,

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and each time I went down I was leaning over towards the wall.

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Coming up, I was leaning to the outside of the bath.

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And all of this movement and repositioning aggravated

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the reason Joan had bought the lift in the first place. Her hip.

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Joan understandably got on the phone to the salesman.

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On his return visit, Joan told him the lift irritated her hip

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and she had to swing her leg over the toilet to get on it.

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The salesman said he would have to put Joan's complains

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to his manager, who arranged to come and see for himself.

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He went upstairs and he said, "Oh, yes," he said, "it seems to be OK."

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As far as he was concerned, it was perfectly OK.

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And that was that.

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The company was happy that the product was in their eyes

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correctly installed and in working order.

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So they said they couldn't offer a refund.

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Despite Joan and Gary writing repeatedly to the company,

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they have been told yet again that there is nothing wrong with

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the product or its installation.

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When all products are sold you would have thought

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they would have obviously done their investigation right to make

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sure the product was adequate for my mother.

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One, obviously, the size of the bathroom not being fitting,

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and two, her health issues.

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I am personally not aware of the day I met the rep,

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he covered any of her health issues at all.

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So, on both counts, I think they were very poor.

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So Joan is nearly £1,700 down.

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And, not being able to use the lift,

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is back to standing in the bath and pouring jugs of water over herself.

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Not on.

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I was hoping that Dom would get this company to see a little

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bit more sense. We weren't asking for the impossible.

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We'd bought the product in good faith.

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The demonstration we'd had given, it seemed the ideal bit of kit,

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but, unfortunately, it turned out not to be.

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All I want is the damn thing taken away cos every time

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I go up in the bathroom it's a bugbear,

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I look at it and think, "Oh, all that money," and I can't use it.

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And that is exactly why Joan has repeatedly requested a refund.

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Now, Joan complained about the lift within days,

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but Willowbrook refused to budge. Why?

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My job is to find out what went wrong, try and put it right

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and try to put a smile back on Joan's face.

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Time for me to immerse myself in this case.

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Joan's bath lift makes up a proportion

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of the four billion spent in the mobility aid market,

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and it's a market that is growing rapidly.

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I do think there are more mobility gadgets available.

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If you do need to have a stairlift

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or you do need to have a special bed in your home.

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Well, my mother died a few years ago.

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She had a wheelchair and, yes, that was fine.

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Yes, we sorted that out for her.

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I went to an independent shop.

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And Willowbrook is meeting that need.

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They're a big player,

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having had 18 years selling everything from beds to bath aids.

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They boast over 45,000 satisfied customers.

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Obviously, that doesn't include Joan.

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My office has already put in an initial call to Willowbrook

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to let them know that I'm on the case.

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Right, let's give Willowbrook a ring.

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'I've got the contact details for Christine,

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'the sales operations manager, but she's in a meeting.'

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Could you let her know that I've tried to call,

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because she's probably quite keen to speak to me?

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So hopefully she'll be able to call me back quite quickly.

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'As there's a lot I'd like to discuss with her

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'and what I discover later on doesn't fill me with hope.'

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Is this industry regulated?

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No.

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Buy a phone, you'd expect to make calls on it.

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Buy a watch, you'd expect it to tell the time.

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If you buy a tin of white paint,

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you'd expect it to do exactly what it says on the tin,

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but we've been contacted by a group of people whose

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attempts to brighten up their home have left them

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feeling a little bit off-colour.

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'Carl Hughes from Swindon e-mailed me

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'after he decided his house needed a little TLC.'

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My wife and I have lived here for eight years. It was an ex-showhome.

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We hadn't had it painted since we moved in.

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It was starting to look a bit tired,

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so we decided to repaint the property from top to bottom.

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Carl is part of the DDIY crowd, the "don't do it yourself".

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He was after a professional finish, so employed a decorator.

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The decorator we used, we had previous knowledge of him

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because he'd done work for family and friends.

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We knew that he did a good job.

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We obviously needed to know how much paint to use and what to use.

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The decorator said to use the Dulux trade gloss - A, because it's

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cheaper than buying the smaller tins and B, the coverage is better.

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It was very important to ourselves to have the gloss.

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It needed to be white because that's what gloss should be,

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because it looks clean and tidy.

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Carl bought the paint in March 2013 from a large DIY chain.

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The brilliant white gloss is an established product

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for its manufacturers.

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Dulux has been making paint for over 80 years

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and our gloss paints are some of the most popular around and they're used

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to paint the skirting boards and the doors and even metal work as well.

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In April, work began in Carl's house.

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Every windowsill, door, door frame

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and banister was going to be giving the white gloss treatment.

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Carl couldn't wait for the end result.

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Everything was new, once the paint was completed.

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We brought all new fixtures and fittings.

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It just basically felt like we'd moved back in again,

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so it was quite a buzz. It was amazing.

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But just three months later, Carl made a not so brilliant discovery.

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We removed a candlestick holder off of the windowsill

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and there was a yellow patch there,

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so we removed the other item, which was another candlestick holder.

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That also had a yellow patch.

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We then looked at another window which had the cat's bed on

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and that had turned yellow as well, so we realised that something

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was causing it, it wasn't reacting to that surface.

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We also removed a cuddly toy from one of the windowsills

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and it had left an imprint of that as well.

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We just both felt gutted, we knew then what was going to happen,

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that it needed redecorating.

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It was a bit of panic, to be truthful.

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Once Carl had calmed down, he did it what a lot of us do

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and got on the internet.

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I googled "yellowing gloss" and it just brought up pages and pages.

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It turned out the problems were linked to new laws

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about paint and their ingredients brought in in 2010.

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VOCs, or volatile organic compounds,

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are basically organic chemicals that are found in day-to-day products

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like fabric softeners as well as products like decorative paints.

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Nearly four years ago now, European legislation came in to reduce

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the level of VOCs in our products, and that was something

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that the whole industry endorsed

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because we want to reduce the use of those VOCs -

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it's better for the environment and so they introduced

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the legislation and we all reformulated our products.

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But reformulating a solvent-based paint

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like brilliant white gloss is no easy matter.

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We found after about three months that under certain conditions

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the discolouration was at a much faster rate

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than we'd ever seen before.

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We then reformulated again.

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Carl was not a happy chappie.

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Had he bought a bad batch of the gloss?

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Was the paint still not up to scratch?

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Carl took direct action and went on to Dulux's Facebook page.

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I took some pictures, posted their pictures onto their Facebook

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wall, just detailing my problem I had with the yellowing gloss

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and was it normal after three months for it to go yellow?

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They quickly responded the following working day just asking me to

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private message them and they gave me a reference number

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to use as correspondence.

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Carl filled out an investigation form for Dulux and very quickly

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got a reply that left him seeing brilliant red instead of white.

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The letter explained...

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Solvent-based paints will always discolour over time

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and under certain conditions of low natural light or UV light,

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they will discolour at a faster rate

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and that's always been the fact with solvent-based paints.

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The reply also explained that due to the reduction in VOCs,

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the solvent-based gloss will discolour quicker than

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it did pre-legislation.

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Oh, and also Dulux will give you a voucher for replacement paint.

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At that time when I got that response, I was just gutted.

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It was just the thought of having to, A,

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do all the work again myself, and, B, the cost of doing it.

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It was just unacceptable as a customer to be told no, through

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something that was no fault of ourselves and we weren't aware of it.

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Carl went back to Dulux's Facebook page and started looking for

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other people who were experiencing the same problems he was.

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He duly e-mailed these to Customer Services and escalated his claim.

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One of the people he spotted was Sarah Butterfield from Surrey,

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who had also contacted me.

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She suffered discolouration using the brilliant white gloss

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after forking out over two grand redecorating her home.

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Dulux were offering her a goodwill gesture of just £850

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and some more paint.

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I also have Janet from Scotland writing to me

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in exactly the same boat as the others.

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I carried on with my campaign.

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I wasn't going to take no for an answer

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cos I knew it wasn't my fault and from talking to other people,

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they'd gone through similar experiences.

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Carl carried on posting online

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and sending Dulux more similar cases he'd found,

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rousing other customers and getting them to follow his lead.

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Yet, despite escalating his claim, a response came back saying

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the original offer of vouchers to replace the paint still stood.

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I had a letter back from the person that was Escalation,

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and they also said no,

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it's standard for this particular paint or gloss paints

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to discolour under non-UV-light conditions, natural light, they

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have to be subjected to a level of UV light to keep their brilliant white.

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Dulux told Carl his decorator should have known

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about the issues, but this was just passing the buck in Carl's opinion.

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He contacted Trading Standards, the Citizens Advice Bureau,

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his solicitor, trade experts,

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the retailer who had sold him the paint.

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He also e-mailed yours truly, but even I couldn't top his next move.

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I put a post on my own Facebook wall, just asking for friends' help

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and, luckily, a friend of mine,

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I don't know how, found the e-mail address for the CEO for AksoNobel.

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AksoNobel are the parent company of Dulux.

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Carl e-mailed the CEO.

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He brought them up to speed with his case, his activity online,

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where he'd crucially spotted that the tins of paint

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he bought had no warning label on them

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stating the paint may discolour in low UV conditions.

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They arranged for a visit to his home.

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Once they'd seen it, it kind of went a bit quiet.

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I think they realised the severity of it with the timescale.

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I think from looking at their reaction, it was quite

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evident that they knew something was wrong.

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Once they'd inspected the property,

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they said that they had to write a report

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to give back to the CEO's department.

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The two experts submitted their report

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and Carl waited for their response.

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Following a visit to Mr Hughes' house by some of the members

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of our team, we looked at the affected areas

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and we decided that we wanted to redecorate those affected areas

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and we recommended the use of a water-based paint

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so that the area stayed white.

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Our initial contact with Mr Hughes was something that

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I wasn't satisfied with.

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We've acted to learn from that

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and improve the way we deal with our customers.

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At this point, I was elated, I kind of felt a bit of a victory.

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It was a good result.

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It was just a shame that it had to take that much to get to that point.

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It could have been resolved a lot sooner and a lot easier.

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Because of cases like Carl's and due to the VOC reduction in their paint,

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Dulux had already been actively relabelling their tins

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and he had bought a batch that had missed out on the process.

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The particular product that Carl bought was omitting a really

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key piece of information -

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a label that talked about how solvent-based paints

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discolour over time and discolour faster in conditions of low

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light or low UV light, and that was the piece that was missing

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and we appreciated the fact that Mr Hughes pointed out to us

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and we immediately rectified that on the product that he identified,

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but our labelling now is in a really good place.

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It's hugely informative to the consumer

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and if they can't find the information on the packs,

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then we ask them to contact us and talk to us direct

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because we can help them choose the right product for the right job.

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It sounds good for the consumer. I was originally contacted

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by Carl, Sarah, and Janet regarding this yellowing gloss issue.

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Without me even lifting the phone,

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Sarah had her redecoration costs paid and so did Janet, all because

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Carl spread the word on the internet as to how to get a brilliant result.

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What a great example of how people

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can work together to resolve a dispute.

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Now, if you've got a problem, it's worthwhile looking

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online to find out if other people out there have similar issues

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because working together can give you a much stronger case.

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Might is nearly always right.

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And in fairness to Dulux,

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they listened to what their customers had to say.

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They took steps to rectify the situation

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and make sure it never happens again.

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You can't say fairer than that.

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Good on you, Dulux.

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80-year-old Joan contacted me about her £1,676 bath lift.

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If I could go back to the very beginning,

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knowing what I know now, I would not have entertained the idea at all.

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Joan had discovered that due to having a small bathroom

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and a bad hip, the product has not proved suitable for her needs

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and the company, Willowbrook, has refused her request for a refund.

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Son Gary doesn't agree.

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I think these companies, yeah, if they're dealing with old

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and vulnerable people that have got ailments and illnesses

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and the reason they're having this product, there should be more

0:20:510:20:54

investigation done to that particular person to make sure the

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systems are adequate for the people they're providing the system for.

0:20:570:21:01

However much you try to get out, you've still got to come over

0:21:010:21:05

and you hit your leg on there. You can't...

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Unless you can fold your leg in half,

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and this one I have to lift out, which then smacks onto there again.

0:21:110:21:16

And this palaver is all because the fitters installed the lift

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further forward in the bath than they normally would due to needing

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more space to remove the lift's rechargeable battery.

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Interestingly, Willowbrook has tried to contact me

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saying they want to sort out the situation with Joan.

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The problem is we keep missing each other.

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I'm not going to give up before I go home.

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DIALLING TONE

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'But it's looking like Willowbrook and I are as busy as each other.'

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OK, I'll have to come back and fight another day.

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And that's because we need to have a proper chat about Joan's Aqualift

0:21:550:21:59

and one of the crucial questions I want to ask is how

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they decide if a mobility aid is the right one for a customer.

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This isn't just about getting a result for Joan.

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The average age of the British population is growing.

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It's currently estimated that there are over four million users

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of mobility aids in the UK.

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Now, that's an awful lot of people who might not

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necessarily have the right product for their needs. Hmm!

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'So, I've come to the charity Disability Living Foundation

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'to see if I can find out more about this growing

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'industry and where the consumer stands with it.

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'The charity is based in West London

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'and they offer impartial advice and the opportunity for people to

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'try out a mobility aids and work out which one suits them best.'

0:22:390:22:44

Now, you say you're a charity, so you're non-profit?

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-We're non-profit.

-OK.

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We provide a centre like this which the main purpose

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is for people to come and try out equipment themselves,

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so that gives them hands-on experience.

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Whatever your ailment, there is some sort of device or

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modification to aid your daily tasks, whatever it is.

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Oh, yeah, there's masses.

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On our information system that people can access for free

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-we've got 11,000 products.

-It's a booming market, isn't it?

0:23:100:23:14

Yes, it is, and there's a lot of very clever bits of kit,

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from the very simple to the quite complex, quite technological.

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Who is the onus on? Is it you as a customer

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to make sure you're buying from a reputable

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company and the right product or is it the salesperson to make sure

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he's selling you the right product for your needs?

0:23:290:23:32

It's not their job to assess your needs,

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unless you're buying a service where that's part of the package.

0:23:340:23:38

If somebody says, "I will come to your home

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"and I'll give you an assessment of everything you need

0:23:400:23:43

"and make recommendations, and some of those will be from this supplier

0:23:430:23:48

"and some from another," and so on, so it's more of an impartial thing,

0:23:480:23:51

but, mostly, the salesperson is coming to your home to make a sale.

0:23:510:23:55

Now, with that in mind, is this industry regulated?

0:23:550:23:59

No.

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There's no regulation, there's no law,

0:24:030:24:05

there's no legal framework that says you must only sell in these

0:24:050:24:08

circumstances or to put a series of constraints around particular

0:24:080:24:13

sales, so it's like many other markets and there's quite an onus

0:24:130:24:18

on the individual to take special care of the purchases you're making.

0:24:180:24:24

'The overriding message here is to try before you buy

0:24:240:24:27

'and get a proper understanding of your needs.'

0:24:270:24:30

As a customer, you have to take good care to make good decisions,

0:24:300:24:34

to research well in advance and to get good advice, assessment

0:24:340:24:39

if you need it, before making a purchase and then to deal with

0:24:390:24:44

and choose carefully a company that will give you

0:24:440:24:46

the kind of standard of service that you deserve and you need.

0:24:460:24:49

Tell you what, you covered it all there, Chris.

0:24:490:24:52

-Thanks ever so much. Do you want a lift up?

-Yeah!

0:24:520:24:55

Tell you what, that was an interesting chat with Chris.

0:24:570:25:00

What I learned from that is that this industry is unregulated.

0:25:000:25:04

The emphasis really is on you, buyer beware. Use your common sense.

0:25:040:25:08

As we all know, common sense isn't that common.

0:25:080:25:11

Unfortunately, as a customer, it's easy to be

0:25:120:25:15

wowed by a company's claims. So, just what was Willowbrook saying

0:25:150:25:19

their product could do for someone like Joan and what was the reality?

0:25:190:25:23

Joan chose this Aqualift product based on this glossy advertising

0:25:230:25:27

campaign. It all just seemed so perfect for her.

0:25:270:25:31

'Aqualift is safe and easy-to-use with no worries

0:25:310:25:35

'about losing your balance or slipping.'

0:25:350:25:37

Well, that's the claim, but what's the reality?

0:25:370:25:40

She found straightaway that it felt, for her, unstable,

0:25:400:25:44

lowering her into the bath and lifting her back up.

0:25:440:25:48

I don't think it's very good for a person like me

0:25:480:25:51

who's got hip problems.

0:25:510:25:52

If you've got to shuffle yourself backwards and forwards, that is

0:25:520:25:55

not easy with a bad hip.

0:25:550:25:57

'Easy-to-use, handheld controller.

0:25:570:26:00

-'Adjustable seat height to suit your bath.'

-Sounds great.

0:26:000:26:05

They didn't fit the seat, which they should have done,

0:26:050:26:08

because as you can see, if the seat is on there,

0:26:080:26:11

then it's not very comfortable to sit on the toilet,

0:26:110:26:13

I've got to sit sideways otherwise my knees bash up against there.

0:26:130:26:17

'Rediscover the pleasures of a relaxing bath.'

0:26:170:26:20

Trouble is, it didn't work out that way for Joan.

0:26:200:26:22

-The whole debacle is absolutely pointless.

-I agree, Joan.

0:26:220:26:26

Which raises the question,

0:26:260:26:28

was this product ever suitable for Joan's needs?

0:26:280:26:31

A question she raised in her complaint to Willowbrook's manager

0:26:310:26:34

when telling him about the painful tipping to and fro on the lift.

0:26:340:26:38

"Oh", he said, "You'll have to do the Willowbrook shuffle."

0:26:380:26:40

I said, "What on earth is that?"

0:26:400:26:42

And he said, "Well, when you go down and you feel you're tipping

0:26:420:26:45

"towards the wall, shuffle yourself across."

0:26:450:26:48

His words were, "Shuffle your bum across."

0:26:480:26:51

Um... And then it will...put right, but you have to do that two or

0:26:510:26:56

three times before you get down to the bottom of the bath.

0:26:560:26:59

He didn't mention anything about that when he came

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and demonstrated it and there's nothing in their brochure about it.

0:27:020:27:05

It's when you come up and down and you've got to do their

0:27:050:27:07

"Willowbrook shuffle" that it affects the hip.

0:27:070:27:10

"Willowbrook shuffle"? Hmm.

0:27:100:27:12

Joan's Aqualift was supplied with a slip cushion designed to make

0:27:120:27:15

it easier to use.

0:27:150:27:17

Joan didn't use this cushion

0:27:170:27:18

because she found there wasn't much space in her small bathroom.

0:27:180:27:21

So Willowbrook advised Joan to reinstate the cushion

0:27:210:27:24

and say that the Willowbrook shuffle was just a light-hearted

0:27:240:27:27

phrase used by their staff to refer to the issue she was having.

0:27:270:27:31

But Joan has tried the lift with and without the cushion

0:27:310:27:34

and, either way, she finds it uncomfortable.

0:27:340:27:36

Let's get an expert's opinion.

0:27:380:27:40

Teresa Barton is an occupational therapist.

0:27:400:27:43

Her job is to assess people exactly like Joan, to work out

0:27:430:27:47

their capabilities and how to advise them best on staying independent.

0:27:470:27:51

We've arranged for Teresa to visit and assess Joan to work out

0:27:510:27:55

whether the Aqualift was the right mobility aid for her.

0:27:550:27:59

Joan, do you want to just tell me a little bit about your health,

0:27:590:28:03

how has things been going for you?

0:28:030:28:06

Um, well... I'm not too bad in normal health,

0:28:060:28:08

-it's just the hip that plays me up.

-So what's the problem with your hip?

0:28:080:28:12

Um, it's more arthritic, I think, than anything.

0:28:120:28:17

After the initial assessment, and so Teresa can fully understand Joan's

0:28:170:28:21

mobility, it's upstairs to see the bathroom and the lift first-hand.

0:28:210:28:26

-So this is the bath aid.

-OK.

0:28:270:28:31

-Called a Willowbrook Aqualift.

-OK.

0:28:310:28:35

Supposed to lower you gently into the bath and bring you up again.

0:28:350:28:38

When you're sitting on that, because of the problem with your hip,

0:28:380:28:42

do you manage OK to bring that leg over the side of the bath?

0:28:420:28:47

I have to lift my leg over.

0:28:470:28:48

Without that seat it's not so easy, because as I lift my leg over,

0:28:480:28:51

-it hits the toilet.

-You're quite restricted to space, aren't you?

0:28:510:28:55

The problem you've got with that is the minute you start bringing

0:28:550:28:58

any piece of equipment forward, you lose the legroom.

0:28:580:29:03

Hmm - I agree, Teresa.

0:29:030:29:04

Because the fitters had to compromise on the location

0:29:040:29:07

of the lift due to having to have space to remove its battery,

0:29:070:29:10

it actually makes getting in and out of the bath more difficult for Joan.

0:29:100:29:13

And what about her use of this product, given her hip issues?

0:29:130:29:18

Do you feel quite supported?

0:29:180:29:20

No, because you're being tipped that way all the time, so then

0:29:200:29:23

you've got to shift yourself over that way and go down a bit further...

0:29:230:29:29

Are you experiencing any sort of discomfort in your joints at all?

0:29:290:29:32

Yes, it hurts my hip. Right in my groin.

0:29:320:29:34

See, then I've got to stop again... Go over a bit further.

0:29:340:29:38

And none of this moving around would be such an issue

0:29:380:29:41

if Joan didn't have such a painful hip.

0:29:410:29:44

So do you feel it's not actually made getting in and out and

0:29:440:29:46

-using the bath...

-No, it hasn't made it any better at all.

0:29:460:29:50

-Do you feel confident when you're using it?

-No.

0:29:500:29:52

Teresa has now seen the bath lift first-hand and Joan using it.

0:29:530:29:58

In my opinion, with the equipment that Joan has bought, I don't

0:29:580:30:02

know whether she was misunderstood or whether she had the opportunity

0:30:020:30:06

to express any concerns, but it clearly isn't suitable

0:30:060:30:10

and seeing how it has to be positioned in the bath to

0:30:100:30:13

allow it to be used correctly with the charger coming out,

0:30:130:30:16

I just wouldn't have recommended it.

0:30:160:30:19

Right. So that's an occupational therapist's opinion

0:30:200:30:23

on Joan's purchase.

0:30:230:30:24

Now remember, Joan told Willowbrook down the phone that she had

0:30:240:30:27

hip issues before they even sent a salesman out.

0:30:270:30:31

The salesman never really covered any issues regarding Mum's health,

0:30:310:30:35

to whether she'd struggle to use the equipment,

0:30:350:30:38

there was no questions asked at all regarding whether

0:30:380:30:42

she would be able to use it because of health issues.

0:30:420:30:44

OK, but what about THIS?

0:30:440:30:46

Try the Aqualift today

0:30:460:30:47

in the comfort of your own home with

0:30:470:30:49

a no-obligation dry demonstration,

0:30:490:30:52

available nationwide.

0:30:520:30:53

I wasn't given the opportunity to try it at the time.

0:30:530:30:56

Right, I'm even more determined than ever to finally make contact

0:30:560:31:00

with this company.

0:31:000:31:02

Now, Willowbrook...

0:31:020:31:05

I did call them the other day, on a couple of occasions,

0:31:050:31:08

and the lady I want to speak to, Christine, wasn't there.

0:31:080:31:11

Fair enough. I left messages and, in fairness to Christine,

0:31:110:31:14

she tried to call me back and we were like...ships in the night.

0:31:140:31:18

We haven't actually spoke yet. So...

0:31:180:31:21

Let's see if we can change that.

0:31:210:31:23

'Bingo.

0:31:250:31:26

'This time I do get through to Christine, the sales operation

0:31:260:31:30

'manager who will be dealing with me in relation to Joan's case.'

0:31:300:31:33

Is that Christine? Hello, I was expecting a voicemail.

0:31:330:31:36

It's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC.

0:31:360:31:38

'Christine doesn't want us using her voice. Fair enough.

0:31:380:31:42

'I have already e-mailed Willowbrook a list of questions regarding

0:31:420:31:45

'the Aqualift's installation.

0:31:450:31:48

'But after hearing the occupational therapist's opinion,

0:31:480:31:51

'I have a few more.' There's a few things I want to query with you.

0:31:510:31:54

I'm interested to find out why he didn't get Joan to do

0:31:540:31:58

a demonstration. He gave her one in her front room,

0:31:580:32:01

she never got the chance to actually try it.

0:32:010:32:03

The reason we didn't try it was he made it look so simple

0:32:030:32:07

that there didn't appear to be any need to try it.

0:32:070:32:10

I'm told that according to their paperwork,

0:32:100:32:12

Joan signed on the dotted line stating that she had tried

0:32:120:32:16

the lift on the demonstration day.

0:32:160:32:18

He actually didn't ask us to try it at all - me and my mother

0:32:180:32:23

both sat there but not at any stage did we get asked

0:32:230:32:26

if we wanted to try the product out.

0:32:260:32:28

Yes, she didn't DO a demonstration, but she HAD the demonstration.

0:32:280:32:31

I think it's probably a little bit grey.

0:32:310:32:33

'Because without Joan trying before buying,

0:32:330:32:36

'how could she have made an informed decision?

0:32:360:32:39

'As, according to Joan,

0:32:390:32:40

'the salesman didn't enquire at all about her mobility needs.'

0:32:400:32:43

What sort of questions would they ask to find out if the product is suitable?

0:32:430:32:48

I want to clarify whether all these sales reps are in the right position

0:32:480:32:52

to judge what product's suitable for a customer.

0:32:520:32:55

I want to know whether this was the suitable product

0:32:550:32:57

for an 80 plus-year-old lady with a quite severe hip problem.

0:32:570:33:01

Right, I finally got to speak to Christine.

0:33:040:33:06

She seemed a very nice lady,

0:33:060:33:08

she did say that she's not really the right person to answer

0:33:080:33:10

the more awkward questions so I've left her with a whole list there.

0:33:100:33:14

I want to find out are these reps just on commission

0:33:140:33:18

and targeted to sell what they can, because if so, I think

0:33:180:33:21

there's a conflict of interests there.

0:33:210:33:22

Or are they told, "Look,

0:33:220:33:24

"only sell a product that's suitable for the particular customer"

0:33:240:33:27

and, if that's the case, was Joan sold the right product?

0:33:270:33:30

That's the questions I put to them,

0:33:300:33:31

let's wait and see what their answers are.

0:33:310:33:34

Great. Time for a latte.

0:33:340:33:36

If you've got a problem with a product or service,

0:33:430:33:45

it pays to know that here in the UK we've got some

0:33:450:33:48

pretty hefty legislation to protect us consumers.

0:33:480:33:52

I've got to be honest...

0:33:520:33:53

it's not a light read, though.

0:33:530:33:56

But don't worry - we've got some experts on how to use the lowdown

0:33:560:33:59

on a few pieces of law which you might just find invaluable.

0:33:590:34:04

Which could come in useful as my inbox is full of e-mails

0:34:040:34:07

from people complaining about the products you've bought.

0:34:070:34:11

As it is not just Joan who appears to have bought something

0:34:110:34:13

which doesn't suit her needs.

0:34:130:34:15

I've also had an e-mail from Karen, who told me

0:34:150:34:18

that after she gave birth to twins,

0:34:180:34:21

she bought herself a double buggy and all was fine

0:34:210:34:24

until she found out the buggy wouldn't fit on the bus.

0:34:240:34:27

It meant Karen couldn't do her weekly shopping.

0:34:270:34:30

When she went back to the store, they said

0:34:300:34:33

because it wasn't faulty, there was nothing she could do about it.

0:34:330:34:36

Enter my expert.

0:34:360:34:38

Let's hope he can shed some light about your rights

0:34:380:34:41

when you bought something which, when you get it home,

0:34:410:34:43

doesn't do what you want it to do.

0:34:430:34:45

Generally, when you're buying something,

0:34:450:34:47

the onus is on you to make sure that the product you're buying

0:34:470:34:50

is going to be suitable for your needs.

0:34:500:34:52

Unfortunately for Karen, she was concerned about finding a buggy

0:34:520:34:55

for her two babies and didn't ask whether it would fit on the bus.

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But if she had, would she have had a case?

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If you're after something for a very specific need,

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you've asked certain questions about "is this going to be suitable" and

0:35:050:35:09

you've been given assurances that all of that stuff will be fine, then the

0:35:090:35:13

onus shifts onto the seller because they've advised you that it's going

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to be suitable for your specific purpose in your specific environment.

0:35:160:35:21

Question is, should companies take more responsibility for what

0:35:210:35:24

they sell?

0:35:240:35:25

What's the word on the street?

0:35:250:35:27

Everybody is different so they have to adjust their services to

0:35:270:35:30

every person they want to serve.

0:35:300:35:33

And it's not just buggies giving all of you the run-around.

0:35:330:35:36

Mobile phones - we can't live without them these days, can we?

0:35:360:35:40

I hate saying it, but I could probably not live

0:35:400:35:42

without my smartphone because I've become completely dependent on it.

0:35:420:35:45

That's probably the most important part of my life.

0:35:450:35:48

It's like a second brain for me.

0:35:480:35:50

I adore my mobile phone.

0:35:500:35:51

I think everybody does.

0:35:510:35:53

But here's a word of caution for you.

0:35:530:35:56

A lady called Katie has sent me an e-mail - thanks, Katie.

0:35:560:36:00

Katie went into her phone shop and was told she was due an upgrade,

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so she got a new phone and signed a two-year contract. Happy days.

0:36:040:36:09

But then Katie moved to a different county

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and found out she couldn't get reception.

0:36:110:36:14

And what does our expert think about that?

0:36:140:36:17

There are always going to be blackspots in mobile network

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coverage. They would argue they can't possibly cover 100% of the country.

0:36:190:36:25

It seems that's exactly what happened to Katie.

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She complained to the mobile phone company who told her it was

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going to cost 250 large ones to get out of the contract.

0:36:310:36:35

That doesn't sound fair at all.

0:36:350:36:36

There must be some rights for the 83 million mobile phone users

0:36:360:36:39

in the UK.

0:36:390:36:41

If you buy a mobile phone

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and when it's delivered, you realise you have no reception,

0:36:420:36:45

for example, then you are entitled

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under the Supply of Goods and Services Act

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to return that phone and cancel the contract.

0:36:500:36:53

However, you should do that within the first 14 days,

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so that's the key cooling-off period to make sure you're happy

0:36:560:36:59

with how the phone works.

0:36:590:37:01

So if you're already eight months into a phone contract

0:37:010:37:04

and you move home to an area with signal blackspots,

0:37:040:37:07

you can't just cancel your contract. This was Katie's problem.

0:37:070:37:11

She complained after the 14-day cooling-off period,

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hence the £250 charge.

0:37:140:37:16

So the lesson here for all of us is if you're buying a product,

0:37:170:37:21

do as much research as possible to make sure it's the right one for

0:37:210:37:24

your needs because if it isn't, you might just be left holding the baby.

0:37:240:37:29

80-year-old Joan came to me

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because she wanted rid of her £1,676 Willowbrook Aqualift.

0:37:360:37:42

The company salesmen sold her a product that works -

0:37:420:37:45

it just doesn't work in her small bathroom and with her bad hip.

0:37:450:37:49

The people selling those products have a duty and a responsibility

0:37:490:37:53

to make sure that what they're selling is right for that person.

0:37:530:37:57

I think people who supply these products for people

0:37:570:38:00

who are disabled or need assistance at home should be done through

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either their doctor or a nurse.

0:38:050:38:07

We e-mailed Willowbrook and we asked them

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whether their salespeople are qualified to assess a customer's

0:38:090:38:12

needs and whether or not the product they are selling suits their room.

0:38:120:38:16

They sent us an e-mail back and said, "No qualifications are required,

0:38:160:38:21

"but our advisers are experienced in carrying out an initial

0:38:210:38:24

"assessment of the bathroom."

0:38:240:38:27

So then I put to them the issue of responsible selling.

0:38:270:38:30

They e-mailed back again and said, "This is the reason why

0:38:300:38:33

"we offer a no-obligation home demonstration

0:38:330:38:35

"and trial of the product in the customer's home, so that they

0:38:350:38:38

"can decide for themselves if it will suit their needs."

0:38:380:38:42

And this is the sticking point.

0:38:420:38:44

We have Joan stating she never got to try out the product

0:38:440:38:47

and Willowbrook saying she did

0:38:470:38:49

and signed documentation stating so. But that doesn't wash with me.

0:38:490:38:53

Just listen to the declaration that Joan had to sign

0:38:530:38:56

when she purchased the lift. It says...

0:38:560:38:59

"I confirm that I have received a demonstration of the Aqualift

0:38:590:39:02

"and feel confident and capable of using this product safely."

0:39:020:39:07

That doesn't say she actually had a chance to sit on it -

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purely that it was demonstrated to her. Hm, interesting.

0:39:090:39:13

I hope my points make Willowbrook think long

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and hard about how they are selling their products.

0:39:160:39:19

So what exactly are they offering to do for Joan?

0:39:190:39:22

Christine, hi - it's Dominic again from the BBC.

0:39:220:39:24

I just wondered if you can tell me what the

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outcome is now for Joan, please?

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'Right from the start of the investigation, Willowbrook has said

0:39:290:39:32

'they want to do the right thing, but there are "i"s to dot and "t"s to cross.'

0:39:320:39:36

OK, that's as long as we can find the tiles or she's got some spare...

0:39:360:39:39

'At least things are moving in the right direction.'

0:39:390:39:42

I think she'll be very happy with that, so thanks for your help.

0:39:420:39:45

'You know me - always get things in writing.'

0:39:450:39:47

Could you just send us

0:39:470:39:49

in a short statement just to say what you're going to do?

0:39:490:39:52

Thank you very much. Goodbye.

0:39:520:39:54

I think Joan is going to be rather pleased. I can't wait to tell her.

0:39:540:39:58

And with that in mind, I've come to Cambridgeshire to break the news.

0:39:590:40:03

-I'll give you a hug, shall I? How you doing?

-Not too bad, thank you.

0:40:040:40:08

-Did I just see that horse licking your face?

-Yes!

0:40:080:40:11

Oh! That's disgusting, fella!

0:40:110:40:13

'Right, that's enough horseplay for the time being.

0:40:130:40:16

'We head inside to take a look at the equipment that's been such

0:40:160:40:19

'a thorn in Joan's side.'

0:40:190:40:21

What would it mean to you to get this taken out?

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Well, it annoys me every time I come up here.

0:40:240:40:26

I cannot have a bath because I don't want to use that

0:40:260:40:30

and I can't get down in the bath myself, so I have to

0:40:300:40:33

stand in the bath, soap myself and then pour myself with a jug of water.

0:40:330:40:37

'In essence, Joan's gone back to where she was before buying the lift

0:40:370:40:40

'and she's been trying to get a refund for the last six months.

0:40:400:40:44

'So it's time to deliver the all-important news.'

0:40:440:40:47

I've made a few phone calls.

0:40:470:40:49

They're going to come round and take it out, they're going to give you

0:40:490:40:52

a full refund and they're going to put the tiles in to repair the hole.

0:40:520:40:56

-Oh, lovely!

-Give us a hug!

0:40:560:40:58

Bless your heart!

0:40:580:40:59

-You're squeezing the life out of me there, Joan! Good lord!

-Lovely.

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-You're strong, for an 80-year-old lady!

-Oh, well!

-You don't need that!

0:41:040:41:09

I don't need that, no. Oh, you're lovely. Bless your heart.

0:41:090:41:12

-Pleased about that?

-More than pleased.

-'See, Willowbrook?

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'Just look at that smile.

0:41:160:41:18

'We asked the company for a final word

0:41:180:41:20

'and they told us about their 45,000 happy customers and that:

0:41:200:41:24

'And with regards to their sales agreements and whether it's clear

0:41:290:41:33

'as to whether a customer has or has not tried out the product

0:41:330:41:35

'for themselves, they say:

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'And I say, "Good work, Willowbrook.

0:41:430:41:45

'Hopefully lessons can be learned by everyone involved.'

0:41:450:41:49

With hindsight, where would you now give yourself the proverbial

0:41:490:41:54

slap on the wrist, what did you do wrong?

0:41:540:41:57

I should have tried it - and then realised I'd got to do this

0:41:570:42:00

-Willowbrook shuffle. I would never have had it.

-'Too true.

0:42:000:42:03

'I'm just glad we've had a happy ending,

0:42:030:42:05

'so I bid my farewells to a rather pleased Joan.'

0:42:050:42:08

Cheerio, Joan - thanks for the cake. Bye-bye.

0:42:090:42:12

I'm over the moon with being able to have my money back

0:42:120:42:14

and I must really sincerely thank Dom for all the work he's done.

0:42:140:42:18

I think he's a smashing bloke and he really goes to town

0:42:180:42:22

and looks after the underdog.

0:42:220:42:24

He really has set about getting some results for me

0:42:240:42:28

which I couldn't have done on my own.

0:42:280:42:30

I'd like to say to Dom, thanks for everything you've done.

0:42:300:42:33

My mum is over the moon that she's finally got this sorted after

0:42:350:42:40

a long period of various phone calls and letters.

0:42:400:42:43

Dom is the world to her now!

0:42:430:42:45

I love helping people like Joan because she didn't know where

0:42:490:42:52

to turn to when things didn't go right for her.

0:42:520:42:55

As far as Willowbrook are concerned,

0:42:550:42:56

I'm really pleased they gave her her money back - thank you for that.

0:42:560:43:00

My job's done.

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