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My name is Dominic Littlewood | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
and I'm passionate about taking on your consumer battles. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
In fact, taking companies to task has become my mission in life. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
Do you think she deserves her money back? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
I said, "Yeah." | 0:00:14 | 0:00:15 | |
Big or small, no company's excused from my quest to ensure you | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
guys get what you're entitled to. Let us know if you don't get sorted. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Whether it's getting your money back... | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
It was extraordinary circumstances. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
You're not entitled to any sort of compensation at all... | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Or taking on your contract conundrums... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
You book a holiday with that company, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
that company should be the one that you complain to. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
Whatever the issue, I'm here to help. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
We'd all like technology to make our lives that little bit easier. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
But I help out a lady whose life just got harder. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
The whole debacle is absolutely pointless. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Buying goods which don't do what they say on the tin leaves | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
some of you feeling slightly off-colour. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
We then looked at another window and that had turned yellow as well. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
It was a bit of a panic, to be truthful. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
And I give you the lowdown on how to tackle the big companies. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
They don't value you as a customer, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
they just think of you as another person. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
I'm taking on your consumer problems to make sure you don't get done. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
As consumers, we make millions of purchases each year. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
And what do we want from them? | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
Well, we want to make sure they suit our needs and that they work. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
So what happens when you buy a product that isn't faulty, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
but it doesn't work for you? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
80-year-old Joan from Cambridgeshire has contacted me | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
with exactly that problem, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
after buying a mobility aid for her bathroom, due to an arthritic hip. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
I can't get into the bath any more. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Well, I can get in, but I can't sit down in the bath. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
I have to stand up and pour water over myself. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Very often if I sit down for very long, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
when I go to get up my hip is sort of almost set. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
And it takes me a couple of minutes to get going again. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
Despite paying out nearly £1,700 for the bath lift, according to | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
Joan it hasn't helped her one bit to get in and out of the bath. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
The product is working, just not for Joan. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
I have still got to get my legs over into the bath. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
And it's all right with one leg. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
I mean, it's the leg that's got to go in the bath first that needs | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
the help to get in. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
The whole experience is rather, as you can see, off-putting, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
painful for the right leg. Because that is the one that's the problem. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
And to my way of thinking, not any use at all. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
But the company has refused her a refund | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
and that's why she's contacted me. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
I was very disappointed to think that I'd paid out all that money, which | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
I really couldn't afford, because it had taken me two years to save it up. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
I'd just got this thing stuck there which I couldn't use and I think | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
I've used it about five or six times at the most. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
It's a frustrating situation for Joan, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
who in every other area of her life, is an active octogenarian. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
I live here on my own, apart from my dog and pony out in the yard. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
Obviously I can't bring the pony indoors! Steady now, steady. Steady. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
I have three acres of land which I have to look after. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
A large garden. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Joan is widowed, but staunchly independent, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
and doesn't want her hip getting in the way of that. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
So, when she saw the bath lift in a TV advert in May 2013, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
she was interested. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
When I first saw the Aqualift, I thought, that seems a good idea. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
This is how the company described their product in their adverts. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
Has getting in and out of your bath become a bit of a problem? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
An Aqualift from Willowbrook could be the answer. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Aqualift is safe and easy-to-use, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
with no worries about losing your balance or slipping. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
They were saying that you could go up and down in the bath in comfort. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
Then I sent away to them, or phoned them, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
and they sent me a brochure with it in. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
And it looked to be fine and I thought, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
"Oh, that's what I need, something that's going to | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
"put me up and down in the bath without any problems." | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Joan called the company which makes the Aqualift, Willowbrook Ltd, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
to arrange for one of their "free, no obligation" home demonstrations. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
She discussed her hip ailments with a Willowbrook representative, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
and they arranged for her to receive a visit from one | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
of their sales people. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
They also responsibly recommended she had a relative with her | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
during the demonstration. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
Enter Joan's son, Gary. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
When the rep from Willowbrook came round, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
he set up a frame in the living room with the product | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
so we could see roughly what it was like, regarding for use in the bath. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
He showed us how it fixed onto the bath and regarding | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
how it would be mounted. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
He then progressed to sit on it himself, show us how it worked, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
how it went up and down. Which at the time seemed reasonable. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
He just said, that's how it works, and went upstairs to measure | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
the bath and came down and said, "Right, that's it." You know. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
And I said, "OK, seems fine". | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
And I said to my son, "What do you think?" | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
And he said, "Well, it looks good, Mum." | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
He said, "That's just what you want." | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
You know, there's nobody here if you fall, you know. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
So that would be ideal. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Joan paid the deposit of £176. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
The total cost of the bath lift was a clean 1,676. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
It was a significant amount of money. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
But for Joan, her savings were being well spent. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
You know, I thought, this is fine. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
You know, in a couple of weeks' time when they come and deliver it, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
I'm going to have a safe bath. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
But it didn't work out that way, unfortunately. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
It seemed the people fitting the bath lift had different ideas | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
from the sales rep as to the suitability of Joan's bathroom. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
And they told her that, after fitting it. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
He did say at the time that because my bath was short, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
it wasn't where they normally fit them. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
They normally fit them where the bath slopes down, where it slopes | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
down at the back to the flat bit, they normally fit them across there. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
But they couldn't because my bath was short. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Joan was told that due to having to have space to remove the lift's | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
rechargeable battery, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
the fitters had to install the Aqualift further forward | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
in Joan's bath. It was an ominous start. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Well, that night I went up for my bath, went to lower myself into the | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
water, only to find that I was being tipped over one side of the bath. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
And I thought, oh, maybe I'm not doing it right. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
So I sort of went up again, readjusted myself, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
and each time I went down I was leaning over towards the wall. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
Coming up, I was leaning to the outside of the bath. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
And all of this movement and repositioning aggravated | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
the reason Joan had bought the lift in the first place. Her hip. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Joan understandably got on the phone to the salesman. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
On his return visit, Joan told him the lift irritated her hip | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
and she had to swing her leg over the toilet to get on it. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
The salesman said he would have to put Joan's complains | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
to his manager, who arranged to come and see for himself. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
He went upstairs and he said, "Oh, yes," he said, "it seems to be OK." | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
As far as he was concerned, it was perfectly OK. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
And that was that. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
The company was happy that the product was in their eyes | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
correctly installed and in working order. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
So they said they couldn't offer a refund. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Despite Joan and Gary writing repeatedly to the company, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
they have been told yet again that there is nothing wrong with | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
the product or its installation. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
When all products are sold you would have thought | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
they would have obviously done their investigation right to make | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
sure the product was adequate for my mother. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
One, obviously, the size of the bathroom not being fitting, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
and two, her health issues. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
I am personally not aware of the day I met the rep, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
he covered any of her health issues at all. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
So, on both counts, I think they were very poor. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
So Joan is nearly £1,700 down. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
And, not being able to use the lift, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
is back to standing in the bath and pouring jugs of water over herself. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Not on. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
I was hoping that Dom would get this company to see a little | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
bit more sense. We weren't asking for the impossible. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
We'd bought the product in good faith. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
The demonstration we'd had given, it seemed the ideal bit of kit, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
but, unfortunately, it turned out not to be. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
All I want is the damn thing taken away cos every time | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
I go up in the bathroom it's a bugbear, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
I look at it and think, "Oh, all that money," and I can't use it. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
And that is exactly why Joan has repeatedly requested a refund. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Now, Joan complained about the lift within days, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
but Willowbrook refused to budge. Why? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
My job is to find out what went wrong, try and put it right | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
and try to put a smile back on Joan's face. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Time for me to immerse myself in this case. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
Joan's bath lift makes up a proportion | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
of the four billion spent in the mobility aid market, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
and it's a market that is growing rapidly. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
I do think there are more mobility gadgets available. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
If you do need to have a stairlift | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
or you do need to have a special bed in your home. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Well, my mother died a few years ago. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
She had a wheelchair and, yes, that was fine. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Yes, we sorted that out for her. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
I went to an independent shop. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
And Willowbrook is meeting that need. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
They're a big player, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
having had 18 years selling everything from beds to bath aids. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
They boast over 45,000 satisfied customers. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Obviously, that doesn't include Joan. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
My office has already put in an initial call to Willowbrook | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
to let them know that I'm on the case. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Right, let's give Willowbrook a ring. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
'I've got the contact details for Christine, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
'the sales operations manager, but she's in a meeting.' | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
Could you let her know that I've tried to call, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
because she's probably quite keen to speak to me? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
So hopefully she'll be able to call me back quite quickly. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
'As there's a lot I'd like to discuss with her | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
'and what I discover later on doesn't fill me with hope.' | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Is this industry regulated? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
No. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
Buy a phone, you'd expect to make calls on it. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
Buy a watch, you'd expect it to tell the time. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
If you buy a tin of white paint, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
you'd expect it to do exactly what it says on the tin, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
but we've been contacted by a group of people whose | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
attempts to brighten up their home have left them | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
feeling a little bit off-colour. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
'Carl Hughes from Swindon e-mailed me | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
'after he decided his house needed a little TLC.' | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
My wife and I have lived here for eight years. It was an ex-showhome. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
We hadn't had it painted since we moved in. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
It was starting to look a bit tired, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
so we decided to repaint the property from top to bottom. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
Carl is part of the DDIY crowd, the "don't do it yourself". | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
He was after a professional finish, so employed a decorator. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
The decorator we used, we had previous knowledge of him | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
because he'd done work for family and friends. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
We knew that he did a good job. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
We obviously needed to know how much paint to use and what to use. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
The decorator said to use the Dulux trade gloss - A, because it's | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
cheaper than buying the smaller tins and B, the coverage is better. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
It was very important to ourselves to have the gloss. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
It needed to be white because that's what gloss should be, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
because it looks clean and tidy. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Carl bought the paint in March 2013 from a large DIY chain. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
The brilliant white gloss is an established product | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
for its manufacturers. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Dulux has been making paint for over 80 years | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
and our gloss paints are some of the most popular around and they're used | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
to paint the skirting boards and the doors and even metal work as well. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
In April, work began in Carl's house. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Every windowsill, door, door frame | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
and banister was going to be giving the white gloss treatment. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Carl couldn't wait for the end result. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Everything was new, once the paint was completed. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
We brought all new fixtures and fittings. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
It just basically felt like we'd moved back in again, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
so it was quite a buzz. It was amazing. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
But just three months later, Carl made a not so brilliant discovery. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
We removed a candlestick holder off of the windowsill | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
and there was a yellow patch there, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
so we removed the other item, which was another candlestick holder. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
That also had a yellow patch. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
We then looked at another window which had the cat's bed on | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
and that had turned yellow as well, so we realised that something | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
was causing it, it wasn't reacting to that surface. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
We also removed a cuddly toy from one of the windowsills | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
and it had left an imprint of that as well. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
We just both felt gutted, we knew then what was going to happen, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
that it needed redecorating. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
It was a bit of panic, to be truthful. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Once Carl had calmed down, he did it what a lot of us do | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
and got on the internet. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
I googled "yellowing gloss" and it just brought up pages and pages. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
It turned out the problems were linked to new laws | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
about paint and their ingredients brought in in 2010. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
VOCs, or volatile organic compounds, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
are basically organic chemicals that are found in day-to-day products | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
like fabric softeners as well as products like decorative paints. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Nearly four years ago now, European legislation came in to reduce | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
the level of VOCs in our products, and that was something | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
that the whole industry endorsed | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
because we want to reduce the use of those VOCs - | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
it's better for the environment and so they introduced | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
the legislation and we all reformulated our products. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
But reformulating a solvent-based paint | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
like brilliant white gloss is no easy matter. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
We found after about three months that under certain conditions | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
the discolouration was at a much faster rate | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
than we'd ever seen before. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
We then reformulated again. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
Carl was not a happy chappie. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Had he bought a bad batch of the gloss? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Was the paint still not up to scratch? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Carl took direct action and went on to Dulux's Facebook page. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
I took some pictures, posted their pictures onto their Facebook | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
wall, just detailing my problem I had with the yellowing gloss | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
and was it normal after three months for it to go yellow? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
They quickly responded the following working day just asking me to | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
private message them and they gave me a reference number | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
to use as correspondence. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
Carl filled out an investigation form for Dulux and very quickly | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
got a reply that left him seeing brilliant red instead of white. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
The letter explained... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
Solvent-based paints will always discolour over time | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
and under certain conditions of low natural light or UV light, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
they will discolour at a faster rate | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and that's always been the fact with solvent-based paints. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
The reply also explained that due to the reduction in VOCs, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
the solvent-based gloss will discolour quicker than | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
it did pre-legislation. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Oh, and also Dulux will give you a voucher for replacement paint. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
At that time when I got that response, I was just gutted. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
It was just the thought of having to, A, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
do all the work again myself, and, B, the cost of doing it. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
It was just unacceptable as a customer to be told no, through | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
something that was no fault of ourselves and we weren't aware of it. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Carl went back to Dulux's Facebook page and started looking for | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
other people who were experiencing the same problems he was. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
He duly e-mailed these to Customer Services and escalated his claim. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
One of the people he spotted was Sarah Butterfield from Surrey, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
who had also contacted me. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
She suffered discolouration using the brilliant white gloss | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
after forking out over two grand redecorating her home. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Dulux were offering her a goodwill gesture of just £850 | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
and some more paint. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
I also have Janet from Scotland writing to me | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
in exactly the same boat as the others. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
I carried on with my campaign. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
I wasn't going to take no for an answer | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
cos I knew it wasn't my fault and from talking to other people, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
they'd gone through similar experiences. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
Carl carried on posting online | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
and sending Dulux more similar cases he'd found, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
rousing other customers and getting them to follow his lead. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Yet, despite escalating his claim, a response came back saying | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
the original offer of vouchers to replace the paint still stood. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
I had a letter back from the person that was Escalation, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
and they also said no, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
it's standard for this particular paint or gloss paints | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
to discolour under non-UV-light conditions, natural light, they | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
have to be subjected to a level of UV light to keep their brilliant white. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Dulux told Carl his decorator should have known | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
about the issues, but this was just passing the buck in Carl's opinion. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
He contacted Trading Standards, the Citizens Advice Bureau, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
his solicitor, trade experts, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
the retailer who had sold him the paint. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
He also e-mailed yours truly, but even I couldn't top his next move. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:56 | |
I put a post on my own Facebook wall, just asking for friends' help | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
and, luckily, a friend of mine, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
I don't know how, found the e-mail address for the CEO for AksoNobel. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:11 | |
AksoNobel are the parent company of Dulux. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Carl e-mailed the CEO. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
He brought them up to speed with his case, his activity online, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
where he'd crucially spotted that the tins of paint | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
he bought had no warning label on them | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
stating the paint may discolour in low UV conditions. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
They arranged for a visit to his home. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Once they'd seen it, it kind of went a bit quiet. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
I think they realised the severity of it with the timescale. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
I think from looking at their reaction, it was quite | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
evident that they knew something was wrong. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Once they'd inspected the property, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
they said that they had to write a report | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
to give back to the CEO's department. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
The two experts submitted their report | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and Carl waited for their response. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Following a visit to Mr Hughes' house by some of the members | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
of our team, we looked at the affected areas | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
and we decided that we wanted to redecorate those affected areas | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
and we recommended the use of a water-based paint | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
so that the area stayed white. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Our initial contact with Mr Hughes was something that | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
I wasn't satisfied with. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
We've acted to learn from that | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
and improve the way we deal with our customers. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
At this point, I was elated, I kind of felt a bit of a victory. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
It was a good result. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
It was just a shame that it had to take that much to get to that point. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
It could have been resolved a lot sooner and a lot easier. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Because of cases like Carl's and due to the VOC reduction in their paint, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Dulux had already been actively relabelling their tins | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
and he had bought a batch that had missed out on the process. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
The particular product that Carl bought was omitting a really | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
key piece of information - | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
a label that talked about how solvent-based paints | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
discolour over time and discolour faster in conditions of low | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
light or low UV light, and that was the piece that was missing | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
and we appreciated the fact that Mr Hughes pointed out to us | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and we immediately rectified that on the product that he identified, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
but our labelling now is in a really good place. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
It's hugely informative to the consumer | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
and if they can't find the information on the packs, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
then we ask them to contact us and talk to us direct | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
because we can help them choose the right product for the right job. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
It sounds good for the consumer. I was originally contacted | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
by Carl, Sarah, and Janet regarding this yellowing gloss issue. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Without me even lifting the phone, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Sarah had her redecoration costs paid and so did Janet, all because | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
Carl spread the word on the internet as to how to get a brilliant result. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
What a great example of how people | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
can work together to resolve a dispute. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Now, if you've got a problem, it's worthwhile looking | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
online to find out if other people out there have similar issues | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
because working together can give you a much stronger case. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Might is nearly always right. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
And in fairness to Dulux, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
they listened to what their customers had to say. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
They took steps to rectify the situation | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
and make sure it never happens again. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
You can't say fairer than that. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
Good on you, Dulux. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
80-year-old Joan contacted me about her £1,676 bath lift. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
If I could go back to the very beginning, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
knowing what I know now, I would not have entertained the idea at all. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
Joan had discovered that due to having a small bathroom | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
and a bad hip, the product has not proved suitable for her needs | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
and the company, Willowbrook, has refused her request for a refund. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
Son Gary doesn't agree. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
I think these companies, yeah, if they're dealing with old | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
and vulnerable people that have got ailments and illnesses | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
and the reason they're having this product, there should be more | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
investigation done to that particular person to make sure the | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
systems are adequate for the people they're providing the system for. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
However much you try to get out, you've still got to come over | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
and you hit your leg on there. You can't... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Unless you can fold your leg in half, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and this one I have to lift out, which then smacks onto there again. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
And this palaver is all because the fitters installed the lift | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
further forward in the bath than they normally would due to needing | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
more space to remove the lift's rechargeable battery. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Interestingly, Willowbrook has tried to contact me | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
saying they want to sort out the situation with Joan. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
The problem is we keep missing each other. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
I'm not going to give up before I go home. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
DIALLING TONE | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
'But it's looking like Willowbrook and I are as busy as each other.' | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
OK, I'll have to come back and fight another day. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
And that's because we need to have a proper chat about Joan's Aqualift | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
and one of the crucial questions I want to ask is how | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
they decide if a mobility aid is the right one for a customer. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
This isn't just about getting a result for Joan. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
The average age of the British population is growing. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
It's currently estimated that there are over four million users | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
of mobility aids in the UK. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
Now, that's an awful lot of people who might not | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
necessarily have the right product for their needs. Hmm! | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
'So, I've come to the charity Disability Living Foundation | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
'to see if I can find out more about this growing | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
'industry and where the consumer stands with it. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
'The charity is based in West London | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
'and they offer impartial advice and the opportunity for people to | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
'try out a mobility aids and work out which one suits them best.' | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
Now, you say you're a charity, so you're non-profit? | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-We're non-profit. -OK. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
We provide a centre like this which the main purpose | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
is for people to come and try out equipment themselves, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
so that gives them hands-on experience. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Whatever your ailment, there is some sort of device or | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
modification to aid your daily tasks, whatever it is. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
Oh, yeah, there's masses. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
On our information system that people can access for free | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
-we've got 11,000 products. -It's a booming market, isn't it? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Yes, it is, and there's a lot of very clever bits of kit, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
from the very simple to the quite complex, quite technological. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Who is the onus on? Is it you as a customer | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
to make sure you're buying from a reputable | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
company and the right product or is it the salesperson to make sure | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
he's selling you the right product for your needs? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
It's not their job to assess your needs, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
unless you're buying a service where that's part of the package. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
If somebody says, "I will come to your home | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
"and I'll give you an assessment of everything you need | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
"and make recommendations, and some of those will be from this supplier | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
"and some from another," and so on, so it's more of an impartial thing, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
but, mostly, the salesperson is coming to your home to make a sale. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Now, with that in mind, is this industry regulated? | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
No. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
There's no regulation, there's no law, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
there's no legal framework that says you must only sell in these | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
circumstances or to put a series of constraints around particular | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
sales, so it's like many other markets and there's quite an onus | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
on the individual to take special care of the purchases you're making. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
'The overriding message here is to try before you buy | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
'and get a proper understanding of your needs.' | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
As a customer, you have to take good care to make good decisions, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
to research well in advance and to get good advice, assessment | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
if you need it, before making a purchase and then to deal with | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
and choose carefully a company that will give you | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
the kind of standard of service that you deserve and you need. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Tell you what, you covered it all there, Chris. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
-Thanks ever so much. Do you want a lift up? -Yeah! | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Tell you what, that was an interesting chat with Chris. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
What I learned from that is that this industry is unregulated. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
The emphasis really is on you, buyer beware. Use your common sense. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
As we all know, common sense isn't that common. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Unfortunately, as a customer, it's easy to be | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
wowed by a company's claims. So, just what was Willowbrook saying | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
their product could do for someone like Joan and what was the reality? | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
Joan chose this Aqualift product based on this glossy advertising | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
campaign. It all just seemed so perfect for her. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
'Aqualift is safe and easy-to-use with no worries | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
'about losing your balance or slipping.' | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Well, that's the claim, but what's the reality? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
She found straightaway that it felt, for her, unstable, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
lowering her into the bath and lifting her back up. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
I don't think it's very good for a person like me | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
who's got hip problems. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
If you've got to shuffle yourself backwards and forwards, that is | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
not easy with a bad hip. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
'Easy-to-use, handheld controller. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
-'Adjustable seat height to suit your bath.' -Sounds great. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
They didn't fit the seat, which they should have done, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
because as you can see, if the seat is on there, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
then it's not very comfortable to sit on the toilet, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
I've got to sit sideways otherwise my knees bash up against there. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
'Rediscover the pleasures of a relaxing bath.' | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
Trouble is, it didn't work out that way for Joan. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
-The whole debacle is absolutely pointless. -I agree, Joan. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Which raises the question, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
was this product ever suitable for Joan's needs? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
A question she raised in her complaint to Willowbrook's manager | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
when telling him about the painful tipping to and fro on the lift. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
"Oh", he said, "You'll have to do the Willowbrook shuffle." | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
I said, "What on earth is that?" | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
And he said, "Well, when you go down and you feel you're tipping | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
"towards the wall, shuffle yourself across." | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
His words were, "Shuffle your bum across." | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Um... And then it will...put right, but you have to do that two or | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
three times before you get down to the bottom of the bath. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
He didn't mention anything about that when he came | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
and demonstrated it and there's nothing in their brochure about it. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
It's when you come up and down and you've got to do their | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
"Willowbrook shuffle" that it affects the hip. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
"Willowbrook shuffle"? Hmm. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Joan's Aqualift was supplied with a slip cushion designed to make | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
it easier to use. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Joan didn't use this cushion | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
because she found there wasn't much space in her small bathroom. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
So Willowbrook advised Joan to reinstate the cushion | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
and say that the Willowbrook shuffle was just a light-hearted | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
phrase used by their staff to refer to the issue she was having. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
But Joan has tried the lift with and without the cushion | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
and, either way, she finds it uncomfortable. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
Let's get an expert's opinion. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Teresa Barton is an occupational therapist. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Her job is to assess people exactly like Joan, to work out | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
their capabilities and how to advise them best on staying independent. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
We've arranged for Teresa to visit and assess Joan to work out | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
whether the Aqualift was the right mobility aid for her. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Joan, do you want to just tell me a little bit about your health, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
how has things been going for you? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Um, well... I'm not too bad in normal health, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
-it's just the hip that plays me up. -So what's the problem with your hip? | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
Um, it's more arthritic, I think, than anything. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
After the initial assessment, and so Teresa can fully understand Joan's | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
mobility, it's upstairs to see the bathroom and the lift first-hand. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
-So this is the bath aid. -OK. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
-Called a Willowbrook Aqualift. -OK. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
Supposed to lower you gently into the bath and bring you up again. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
When you're sitting on that, because of the problem with your hip, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
do you manage OK to bring that leg over the side of the bath? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
I have to lift my leg over. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
Without that seat it's not so easy, because as I lift my leg over, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
-it hits the toilet. -You're quite restricted to space, aren't you? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
The problem you've got with that is the minute you start bringing | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
any piece of equipment forward, you lose the legroom. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
Hmm - I agree, Teresa. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
Because the fitters had to compromise on the location | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
of the lift due to having to have space to remove its battery, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
it actually makes getting in and out of the bath more difficult for Joan. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
And what about her use of this product, given her hip issues? | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
Do you feel quite supported? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
No, because you're being tipped that way all the time, so then | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
you've got to shift yourself over that way and go down a bit further... | 0:29:23 | 0:29:29 | |
Are you experiencing any sort of discomfort in your joints at all? | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Yes, it hurts my hip. Right in my groin. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
See, then I've got to stop again... Go over a bit further. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
And none of this moving around would be such an issue | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
if Joan didn't have such a painful hip. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
So do you feel it's not actually made getting in and out and | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
-using the bath... -No, it hasn't made it any better at all. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
-Do you feel confident when you're using it? -No. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Teresa has now seen the bath lift first-hand and Joan using it. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
In my opinion, with the equipment that Joan has bought, I don't | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
know whether she was misunderstood or whether she had the opportunity | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
to express any concerns, but it clearly isn't suitable | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
and seeing how it has to be positioned in the bath to | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
allow it to be used correctly with the charger coming out, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
I just wouldn't have recommended it. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
Right. So that's an occupational therapist's opinion | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
on Joan's purchase. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
Now remember, Joan told Willowbrook down the phone that she had | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
hip issues before they even sent a salesman out. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
The salesman never really covered any issues regarding Mum's health, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
to whether she'd struggle to use the equipment, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
there was no questions asked at all regarding whether | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
she would be able to use it because of health issues. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
OK, but what about THIS? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Try the Aqualift today | 0:30:46 | 0:30:47 | |
in the comfort of your own home with | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
a no-obligation dry demonstration, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
available nationwide. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
I wasn't given the opportunity to try it at the time. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Right, I'm even more determined than ever to finally make contact | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
with this company. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
Now, Willowbrook... | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I did call them the other day, on a couple of occasions, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
and the lady I want to speak to, Christine, wasn't there. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
Fair enough. I left messages and, in fairness to Christine, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
she tried to call me back and we were like...ships in the night. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
We haven't actually spoke yet. So... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Let's see if we can change that. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
'Bingo. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:26 | |
'This time I do get through to Christine, the sales operation | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
'manager who will be dealing with me in relation to Joan's case.' | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Is that Christine? Hello, I was expecting a voicemail. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
It's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
'Christine doesn't want us using her voice. Fair enough. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
'I have already e-mailed Willowbrook a list of questions regarding | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
'the Aqualift's installation. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
'But after hearing the occupational therapist's opinion, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
'I have a few more.' There's a few things I want to query with you. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
I'm interested to find out why he didn't get Joan to do | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
a demonstration. He gave her one in her front room, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
she never got the chance to actually try it. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
The reason we didn't try it was he made it look so simple | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
that there didn't appear to be any need to try it. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
I'm told that according to their paperwork, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Joan signed on the dotted line stating that she had tried | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
the lift on the demonstration day. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
He actually didn't ask us to try it at all - me and my mother | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
both sat there but not at any stage did we get asked | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
if we wanted to try the product out. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
Yes, she didn't DO a demonstration, but she HAD the demonstration. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
I think it's probably a little bit grey. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
'Because without Joan trying before buying, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
'how could she have made an informed decision? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
'As, according to Joan, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
'the salesman didn't enquire at all about her mobility needs.' | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
What sort of questions would they ask to find out if the product is suitable? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
I want to clarify whether all these sales reps are in the right position | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
to judge what product's suitable for a customer. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
I want to know whether this was the suitable product | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
for an 80 plus-year-old lady with a quite severe hip problem. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Right, I finally got to speak to Christine. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
She seemed a very nice lady, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
she did say that she's not really the right person to answer | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
the more awkward questions so I've left her with a whole list there. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I want to find out are these reps just on commission | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and targeted to sell what they can, because if so, I think | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
there's a conflict of interests there. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
Or are they told, "Look, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
"only sell a product that's suitable for the particular customer" | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
and, if that's the case, was Joan sold the right product? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
That's the questions I put to them, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
let's wait and see what their answers are. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
Great. Time for a latte. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
If you've got a problem with a product or service, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
it pays to know that here in the UK we've got some | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
pretty hefty legislation to protect us consumers. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
I've got to be honest... | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
it's not a light read, though. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
But don't worry - we've got some experts on how to use the lowdown | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
on a few pieces of law which you might just find invaluable. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
Which could come in useful as my inbox is full of e-mails | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
from people complaining about the products you've bought. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
As it is not just Joan who appears to have bought something | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
which doesn't suit her needs. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
I've also had an e-mail from Karen, who told me | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
that after she gave birth to twins, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
she bought herself a double buggy and all was fine | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
until she found out the buggy wouldn't fit on the bus. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
It meant Karen couldn't do her weekly shopping. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
When she went back to the store, they said | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
because it wasn't faulty, there was nothing she could do about it. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
Enter my expert. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Let's hope he can shed some light about your rights | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
when you bought something which, when you get it home, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
doesn't do what you want it to do. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Generally, when you're buying something, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
the onus is on you to make sure that the product you're buying | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
is going to be suitable for your needs. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
Unfortunately for Karen, she was concerned about finding a buggy | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
for her two babies and didn't ask whether it would fit on the bus. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
But if she had, would she have had a case? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
If you're after something for a very specific need, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
you've asked certain questions about "is this going to be suitable" and | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
you've been given assurances that all of that stuff will be fine, then the | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
onus shifts onto the seller because they've advised you that it's going | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
to be suitable for your specific purpose in your specific environment. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
Question is, should companies take more responsibility for what | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
they sell? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
What's the word on the street? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
Everybody is different so they have to adjust their services to | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
every person they want to serve. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
And it's not just buggies giving all of you the run-around. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Mobile phones - we can't live without them these days, can we? | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
I hate saying it, but I could probably not live | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
without my smartphone because I've become completely dependent on it. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
That's probably the most important part of my life. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
It's like a second brain for me. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
I adore my mobile phone. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
I think everybody does. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
But here's a word of caution for you. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
A lady called Katie has sent me an e-mail - thanks, Katie. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
Katie went into her phone shop and was told she was due an upgrade, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
so she got a new phone and signed a two-year contract. Happy days. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
But then Katie moved to a different county | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
and found out she couldn't get reception. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
And what does our expert think about that? | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
There are always going to be blackspots in mobile network | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
coverage. They would argue they can't possibly cover 100% of the country. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
It seems that's exactly what happened to Katie. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
She complained to the mobile phone company who told her it was | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
going to cost 250 large ones to get out of the contract. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
That doesn't sound fair at all. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
There must be some rights for the 83 million mobile phone users | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
in the UK. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
If you buy a mobile phone | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
and when it's delivered, you realise you have no reception, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
for example, then you are entitled | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
under the Supply of Goods and Services Act | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
to return that phone and cancel the contract. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
However, you should do that within the first 14 days, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
so that's the key cooling-off period to make sure you're happy | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
with how the phone works. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
So if you're already eight months into a phone contract | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
and you move home to an area with signal blackspots, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
you can't just cancel your contract. This was Katie's problem. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
She complained after the 14-day cooling-off period, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
hence the £250 charge. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
So the lesson here for all of us is if you're buying a product, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
do as much research as possible to make sure it's the right one for | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
your needs because if it isn't, you might just be left holding the baby. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
80-year-old Joan came to me | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
because she wanted rid of her £1,676 Willowbrook Aqualift. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
The company salesmen sold her a product that works - | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
it just doesn't work in her small bathroom and with her bad hip. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
The people selling those products have a duty and a responsibility | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
to make sure that what they're selling is right for that person. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
I think people who supply these products for people | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
who are disabled or need assistance at home should be done through | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
either their doctor or a nurse. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
We e-mailed Willowbrook and we asked them | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
whether their salespeople are qualified to assess a customer's | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
needs and whether or not the product they are selling suits their room. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
They sent us an e-mail back and said, "No qualifications are required, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
"but our advisers are experienced in carrying out an initial | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
"assessment of the bathroom." | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
So then I put to them the issue of responsible selling. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
They e-mailed back again and said, "This is the reason why | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
"we offer a no-obligation home demonstration | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
"and trial of the product in the customer's home, so that they | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
"can decide for themselves if it will suit their needs." | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
And this is the sticking point. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
We have Joan stating she never got to try out the product | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
and Willowbrook saying she did | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
and signed documentation stating so. But that doesn't wash with me. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
Just listen to the declaration that Joan had to sign | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
when she purchased the lift. It says... | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
"I confirm that I have received a demonstration of the Aqualift | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
"and feel confident and capable of using this product safely." | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
That doesn't say she actually had a chance to sit on it - | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
purely that it was demonstrated to her. Hm, interesting. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
I hope my points make Willowbrook think long | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
and hard about how they are selling their products. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
So what exactly are they offering to do for Joan? | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
Christine, hi - it's Dominic again from the BBC. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
I just wondered if you can tell me what the | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
outcome is now for Joan, please? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
'Right from the start of the investigation, Willowbrook has said | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
'they want to do the right thing, but there are "i"s to dot and "t"s to cross.' | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
OK, that's as long as we can find the tiles or she's got some spare... | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
'At least things are moving in the right direction.' | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I think she'll be very happy with that, so thanks for your help. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
'You know me - always get things in writing.' | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Could you just send us | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
in a short statement just to say what you're going to do? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Thank you very much. Goodbye. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
I think Joan is going to be rather pleased. I can't wait to tell her. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
And with that in mind, I've come to Cambridgeshire to break the news. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
-I'll give you a hug, shall I? How you doing? -Not too bad, thank you. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
-Did I just see that horse licking your face? -Yes! | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Oh! That's disgusting, fella! | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
'Right, that's enough horseplay for the time being. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
'We head inside to take a look at the equipment that's been such | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
'a thorn in Joan's side.' | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
What would it mean to you to get this taken out? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Well, it annoys me every time I come up here. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
I cannot have a bath because I don't want to use that | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
and I can't get down in the bath myself, so I have to | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
stand in the bath, soap myself and then pour myself with a jug of water. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
'In essence, Joan's gone back to where she was before buying the lift | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
'and she's been trying to get a refund for the last six months. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
'So it's time to deliver the all-important news.' | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
I've made a few phone calls. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
They're going to come round and take it out, they're going to give you | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
a full refund and they're going to put the tiles in to repair the hole. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
-Oh, lovely! -Give us a hug! | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
Bless your heart! | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
-You're squeezing the life out of me there, Joan! Good lord! -Lovely. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
-You're strong, for an 80-year-old lady! -Oh, well! -You don't need that! | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
I don't need that, no. Oh, you're lovely. Bless your heart. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
-Pleased about that? -More than pleased. -'See, Willowbrook? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
'Just look at that smile. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
'We asked the company for a final word | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
'and they told us about their 45,000 happy customers and that: | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
'And with regards to their sales agreements and whether it's clear | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
'as to whether a customer has or has not tried out the product | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
'for themselves, they say: | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
'And I say, "Good work, Willowbrook. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
'Hopefully lessons can be learned by everyone involved.' | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
With hindsight, where would you now give yourself the proverbial | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
slap on the wrist, what did you do wrong? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
I should have tried it - and then realised I'd got to do this | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
-Willowbrook shuffle. I would never have had it. -'Too true. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
'I'm just glad we've had a happy ending, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
'so I bid my farewells to a rather pleased Joan.' | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Cheerio, Joan - thanks for the cake. Bye-bye. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
I'm over the moon with being able to have my money back | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
and I must really sincerely thank Dom for all the work he's done. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
I think he's a smashing bloke and he really goes to town | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
and looks after the underdog. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
He really has set about getting some results for me | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
which I couldn't have done on my own. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
I'd like to say to Dom, thanks for everything you've done. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
My mum is over the moon that she's finally got this sorted after | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
a long period of various phone calls and letters. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Dom is the world to her now! | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
I love helping people like Joan because she didn't know where | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
to turn to when things didn't go right for her. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
As far as Willowbrook are concerned, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
I'm really pleased they gave her her money back - thank you for that. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
My job's done. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:01 |