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I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights.

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Could you let her know that I tried to call?

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She's probably quite keen to speak to me.

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Any problem, no matter how big or small,

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I'll help you get the service you deserve.

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I'm getting the impression you don't want to answer any of the questions now. Is that correct?

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Whether it involves getting your money back...

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We've never had the phone so we're not going to pay for a phone we've not had.

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..or taking on your contract conundrums...

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If you book a holiday with that company,

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that company should be the one that you complain to.

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..I'm here to help.

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One of the benefits of buying from a big company is it's a name you can trust.

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But what happens if they break their promise to you?

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I feel quite angry that they've let us down, to be quite honest.

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And I help out a fitness fanatic whose gym left him reeling.

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I thought considering I was being investigated for a heart condition, there wouldn't be an issue.

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And I give you the lowdown on those tricky T&Cs.

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I'm taking on your consumer problems to make sure you don't get done.

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Television, internet and phone lines are the sort of items

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you would find in every single household in the UK,

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so it's little wonder there are vast amounts of companies

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offering entertainment and communication packages.

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But does this multi-billion-pound industry really offer the level of service that we expect?

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Well, not according to two families who have contacted me.

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Both went to Sky for their TV, phone and internet

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and both feel that the company hasn't delivered what it said they would.

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It was roughly three months from when we moved into the property

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and actually had the keys to actually having a phone line.

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I was a new customer. You would think they'd be bending over backwards for us and they haven't.

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Matthew and Jane Bramwell live in the seaside town of Skegness in Lincolnshire.

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Like many people, the couple had their TV, internet and phone with one company

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but had been thinking about changing providers

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when they got a knock at the door in October 2013.

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The rep came to our house and he says,

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"You're on the database as a good customer with good credit rating

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"and I've got this deal for you for a great Sky package."

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It seemed the door-to-door salesman had called at just the right time.

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I've never had Sky. It's always been a luxury for me.

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Now I'm in a better job, I started thinking, "Yeah, OK, I'll have Sky."

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The salesman sat down with the couple and explained

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that he could offer them a deal that included their broadband, their phone and a TV package

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for a very reasonable £31.75 a month.

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I felt that it was such a good deal that it was silly not to take it.

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The couple agreed there and then.

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There was going to be a one-off £5 initiation fee

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and the rep gave them a copy of the contract

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which detailed everything that they had signed up to.

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Inside the Sky rep put stars next to the package that we would receive.

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They were thrilled to have got such a great offer

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and within a couple of weeks everything had been installed

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and they were enjoying their new service.

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I had no issues with it. The internet was fine, the phone lines were working great.

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And there were other advantages to their new service.

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My wife had gone into a local department store with a Sky desk

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and they were offering Sky Movies for free for a month as a trial basis

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so we were like, "Yeah. We've now got Sky. We'll try Sky Movies for free."

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The free movies trial lasted for a month

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and it was when Matthew rang to cancel that things began to go wrong.

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Sky had said over the phone that there would be a payment of £108

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coming out of our back account.

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They said that Sky make you pay for a month and a half or two months in advance.

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I thought, "OK, fair enough, but £108? Considering I only pay £31.75 a month?"

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So cogs started turning and I thought something's not right here.

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Even with two and a half months' fees paid in advance,

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that was still over £30 more than they were expecting to shell out.

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So Matthew called Sky back and asked why his bill was so high.

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They said, "Because that's your contract."

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I went, "No, it's not. I've got my contract in front of me.

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"It says one-off payment of £5 then a monthly payment of 31.75."

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And they said, "I'm sorry but there's no such deal."

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I said, "Well, I've got the evidence in front of me.

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"I've got the contract. This is what I've signed for."

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Matthew was told that he had actually signed up to a contract

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with monthly payments of £58 which came as a nasty surprise to the couple.

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We could comfortably afford to pay £31.75 a month.

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That's why we signed up to it because that is what we could physically afford to pay out.

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But they couldn't afford to pay £58 per month,

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so after lots of toing and froing, they had no choice but to give Sky an ultimatum.

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I said, "Either give me the contract that I've signed and agreed for

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"or you come and send an engineer down and rip the Sky out."

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And they came down and ripped it out.

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The whole experience has left them feeling pretty bitter.

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I feel frustrated with Sky. I feel let down.

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I feel like they haven't kept to their end of the bargain.

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But Matthew and Jane are not the only disgruntled Sky customers who have been in touch with me.

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Alan Dukes from Stoke-on-Trent already had a Sky package

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including TV, phone and broadband

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but his troubles began when he moved into a new-build home.

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We rang Sky to enquire how easy it was going to be to move everything

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because we wanted to keep everything pretty much exactly the same.

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They turned round and said, "Yeah, that's really simple. Let us know the date of your move."

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So that was one thing Alan didn't have to worry about.

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Sky would have it covered for him.

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On the move day, the engineers all turned up.

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And the Sky TV was installed without a hitch,

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but there was a problem with the phone line and broadband.

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He turned round and said,

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"Look, the underground cable hasn't been put in so there's nothing we can do at the moment."

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It turned out that Alan's new-build house hadn't been connected to the network

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so the phone line and broadband couldn't be fitted.

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Sky told Alan that he wouldn't have to pay for the phone line or broadband services

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until the connection was sorted.

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They told him that they would work with Openreach,

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the division of BT which installs cables, to get the problem fixed.

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They couldn't give us any dates as to when it was going to be resolved

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because they were relying on a third party.

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All they could say was that it should be done within two weeks.

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But two weeks turned into two frustrating months

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during which Alan found himself on the phone to Sky on an almost daily basis.

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And because he was left without a landline,

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he ended up calling the 0844 number from his mobile at a considerable cost.

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Alan felt like he was getting nowhere.

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I was getting very stressed out.

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Every conversation I had with someone

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was contradicting the previous conversations that I had.

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Eventually enough was enough and Alan spoke to a manager

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and said he would like compensation for the costs and disruption he had incurred as a result of the delays.

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I was very clear about what I was looking for. I said to him,

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"This is what I will accept by way of compensation for the problems that you have put me through."

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Like a man after my own heart, Alan aimed high

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and gave them a list of requests including free Sky TV,

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half-price line rental

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and half-price broadband for a year. Good on you, Alan.

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The manager on the phone said, "That's not a problem. We can arrange that."

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And surprisingly, when Alan did the sums,

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the deal amounted to £1,255.

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It was one heck of an offer and no bad thing

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considering it was another month before the family's phone line was finally installed.

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But when Alan chased up the compensation, there was a problem.

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The manager said he was going to have a look into it and see what they could offer.

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I explained that the offer had already been made by a previous manager that I had dealt with.

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I explained that they had offered me the free Sky TV for a year,

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the half-price line rental, the half-price broadband.

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The manager I was speaking to said that there was no way

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he could offer that level of compensation.

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It seemed the company had done a U-turn

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and now the best they would offer was £350.

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Bearing in mind that 200 of that would only cover my phone calls,

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it was a real kick in the teeth.

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I'd agree. Alan felt his only option was to cash the £350 cheque

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but he remains unhappy that the company went back on its previous offer.

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I think it's absolutely appalling that a company of Sky's size

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can offer one of their customers something and then just take it back.

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I've got two unhappy families who were both offered great deals by Sky

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only for them not to happen.

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I need to get to the bottom of this.

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Sky is Britain's and Ireland's leading home entertainment and communications provider,

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serving almost 11 million homes.

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It's also a broadcaster which makes programmes,

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but we'll be talking to the part of the firm

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which supplies phone, TV and internet services.

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And I get straight onto them.

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I've sent an e-mail to Sky outlining each of the family's problems.

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Now I just need to wait and see what they have to say about both of the cases.

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It seems these days we have to sign a contract for just about everything

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- from mobile phones, gym membership, even childcare.

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But it is important to know what we're actually signing.

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Sometimes those T&Cs and small print can be a little bit confusing.

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And fortunately I know just the man to help navigate us through

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the choppy waters of contract law, a former head of Trading Standards.

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When you're entering into a contract where there are terms and conditions,

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don't do as most of us do and blithely tick the box

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or put your name to the document. Actually read them.

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Read the terms and conditions.

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That is tip number one, tip number two and tip number three.

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Very wise words indeed,

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and ones that a few more of us could do with taking on board.

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I tend to skip over terms and conditions

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because everything is speeded up and you want everything to go quickly.

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You tick the box because you can't be bothered to read it.

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It shouldn't be in small print. It should be in big print like everything else.

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Usually you think how can these terms and conditions ever really affect me anyway?

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But if you end up in a dispute with a company,

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failure to read the small print could come back and haunt you,

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especially if the contract you've signed isn't actually fair.

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There a number of areas that make a contract unfair.

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Sadly there are sectors of business that still produce contracts

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which are prejudicial to consumers' interest.

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I think understanding the terminology first of all.

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Do you actually understand what you're signing up for?

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Secondly, the size of the print, the font size.

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Are you able to read and understand the terms and conditions?

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Do they place unreasonable burdens on you as a consumer

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and exempt the trader?

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I've been contacted by John,

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who believes he's ended up with an unfair contract

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after buying some external French doors.

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The company states the doors must be treated before hanging them,

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yet they state any work carried out invalidates any returns.

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But further down, the contract states:

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Protected from sun and rain? Doesn't that defeat the object of external doors?

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The terms and conditions are a contradiction of terms and are unreasonable.

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No court faced with that problem would ever find in favour of the trader.

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I think the consumer should act reasonably.

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Draw the trader's attention to the nonsense of those terms and conditions,

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and strike them out and agree new terms and conditions with the trader.

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Changing the T&Cs? I bet you didn't know you could.

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Changes can be made to contracts.

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Revisions can be made and introduced into contracts that you've already entered into

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but of course you've got to prove that both sides have agreed to those changes.

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You need some written proof of that fact.

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Signed and dated is the most obvious example.

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There you go, John. Remember that next time you're buying doors.

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Now I've also heard from Carol who spent £2,000 on flooring for her conservatory

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which came with a 20-year guarantee.

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But soon after installation,

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her lightweight furniture started to scratch and mark the floor.

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Turns out the guarantee was based on manufacturing tests

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that had only lasted two hours, not 20 years.

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Oh, and the warranty excluded damage caused by footwear, furniture and cleaning. What?!

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In these circumstances it would appear that the trader almost acknowledges

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that there is an issue with the goods that he has supplied

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and acknowledges that the goods are not fit for the purpose

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and seems to continually provide some redress or compensation.

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It defies belief that they should continue to do this.

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In such circumstances, I think it's advisable

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for the consumer and the trader to enter into some form of mediation.

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What is an agreed outcome?

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What's an agreed form of redress in these circumstances?

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If you're in a situation like John or Carol,

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what can you do to dispute a contract?

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Where you consider a contract term to be unfair,

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in the first instance draw it to the attention of the person

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that you have contracted the goods or services from.

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See what they have to say.

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Make sure that you understand what the contract term actually means.

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Tell the person that you do not feel that that's a fair contract term.

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You may wish to continue with the provision of the goods or services

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but not subject to those terms and conditions.

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If you cannot achieve what you set out to do

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by rescinding the contract term,

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you should give notice to the trader and seek redress.

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Wise words from the contract king.

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Just remember, what you're signing is on paper, not cast in stone.

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Matthew and Jane Bramwell could barely believe it

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when a door-to-door salesman from Sky

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offered them TV, phone and internet for just £31.75 per month.

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The deal was really good.

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I would say I kept my calm and clarified with him three or four times

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if that was the correct price and that there were no hidden charges.

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But it turned out the deal they were offered really was too good to be true.

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I feel that they've let us down. I feel they haven't held their end of the bargain.

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Alan Dukes had to wait three months to have phone and internet installed

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and was told he could have products worth over £1,200 as compensation.

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When Sky cut that offer to £350,

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he wasn't going to take it lying down.

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I sent an e-mail of complaint over to the fix and learn team

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asking them to pass it on to the executive's office,

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knowing that that's the highest level it can go to.

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In both Alan, Matthew and Jane's cases,

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Sky has told them it won't honour the original offers.

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Sky have wasted no time at all and have sent me an e-mail saying

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they're looking into all the cases and information I've sent them.

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Hopefully they'll get back to me soon, then. Right.

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In the meantime, I'm heading to Ofcom

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which is the independent organisation regulating the UK communication industries.

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Although Ofcom doesn't deal with individual consumer complaints,

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they know everything there is to know about our rights as consumers

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when we buy phones, internet and TV services.

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So I'm keen to hear what Lynn Parker,

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their director of consumer protection, thinks about our cases.

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I've heard from some people who aren't very happy with Sky.

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One of the people I'm trying to help had an offer made over the phone from a representative at Sky,

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however later on they came back and said,

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"No, we're not going to honour that because he's not actually authorised to do so."

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But the agreement had been made verbally. Surely they have to honour that?

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It would depend on the type of things that were offered.

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If the sort of thing offered was by form of compensation,

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then it's not subject to contract law

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but there is still the right to have that honoured.

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And I agree, Lynn. But unfortunately for Alan, Sky hasn't done that

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and it's left him wondering where to turn.

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I would suggest that if you've been offered compensation that is then reneged upon,

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then go through the complaints procedure with the provider

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and if you don't get it resolved to your satisfaction after eight weeks,

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then you can go to the ombudsman and they will consider

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whether they think it was a binding compensatory offer.

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That's good to know and of course Matthew and Jane

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were also made an offer they thought was binding.

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He was visited by a door-to-door salesperson

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who gave him a very good deal. He was chuffed with it.

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Then Sky headquarters, when they saw the deal, "Ah, we won't do that."

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He'd got it in writing, he'd got a contract.

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They even took a £5 charge to initiate the process.

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If you do have an agreed contract, that contract should be honoured.

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It doesn't matter if it was done on the doorstep or over the telephone or in a shop.

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What's important is that if you've agreed to a contract

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and you've signed up to it, then you should have that deal honoured.

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Lynn, as always, lovely advice. Great to see you again.

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So if Matt and Jane's contract is a valid one, they are entitled to the deal.

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But the couple were given a special offer by the rep.

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Maybe it was just that - an offer and not a binding contract.

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Where it says "Your Sky package, Entertainment Extra+ Pack,"

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he's crossed out the price and put URN,

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which I believe stands for unique reference number.

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Further down it's put Sky broadband unlimited, £7.50.

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He's scrubbed that out and put URN.

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It seems this unique reference number was something the sales rep

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could use to show that he'd given them a special deal.

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But when the couple pointed this out to Sky,

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they seemed to distance themselves from what the rep had said.

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They said the rep who came to my door,

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they have nothing to do with them. You need to sort it out with him.

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Thankfully Matthew had a mobile number for the rep

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and left a message for him explaining the situation.

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Eventually he sent a message back saying,

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"Don't worry, Matt. I'll sort it for you."

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OK. The next day I rang Sky again,

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and they said they'd had no contact, no phone call or anything from any Sky rep.

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And Sky was adamant it couldn't offer what the rep had promised.

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I've got the evidence in front of me. I've got the contract.

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This is what I've signed for. They said, "No, there's no such deal."

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The point here is that Matthew and Jane were told by a representative of Sky

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that there WAS such a deal, so what we need to know

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is whether the contract the salesman left them with is legally binding.

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To find out, I've asked Matthew and Jane to go and see Tim Miller,

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a solicitor with over 30 years' experience.

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Have a seat, please.

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I understand, Matthew, that you're having some problems with Sky TV.

0:20:520:20:56

That's right. We found out that they were actually

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taking more money out of my account than what I'd signed up for.

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So I rang up Sky and explained my contract,

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and they said they've never heard of such a deal.

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They said they don't understand what URN stands for

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and they can't honour the contract because they don't have such a deal.

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After explaining the situation, it's time to find out what Tim thinks.

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There are two types of contract, a written contract, which this is, or the oral contract.

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The advantage of a written contract like this

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is that the terms are set out in writing.

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So you've signed this. You've been asked to read it through carefully

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because that's what it states on the contract,

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and it says your ongoing commitment is 31.75 a month.

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You've relied on that representation

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and you've entered into that contract based on those representations.

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As you no doubt would say, if you'd been told it would be £108 a month, you would have said,

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"I don't want to pay that amount for this type of entertainment. It's too much."

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You would not have entered into the contract.

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Mm. This sounds pretty promising so let's cut to the chase.

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Is that a valid contract?

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Yes, it's a contract entered into by Sky.

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They have an agent who may be employed by them or self-employed,

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and he's asked you to sign it. You've signed it.

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They are contractually bound to provide you this package at this price.

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That's why they should provide you with that package.

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So you're entitled to have this 12 month package at 31.75 a month.

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Simple as that.

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Tim, that's really helpful. That's really cleared it up.

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-Thank you.

-My pleasure. Nice to meet you.

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Whether Sky would normally have offered this deal or not,

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they made a legally binding agreement with Matthew and Jane

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and they should have honoured it.

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Sky has been in touch with my team

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and it's clear they are taking these cases very seriously.

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They want to do the right thing by both sets of customers

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and I'm confident they will.

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There are still plenty of things I'd like answers to.

0:22:520:22:55

Time to call the lady at Sky.

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I've left a message on her landline. She wasn't there,

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so I'm going to call her mobie.

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There's been plenty of e-mail correspondence between us

0:23:030:23:06

but it doesn't look like I'll be catching her today.

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Hi, it's Dominic from Don't Get Done Get Dom.

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I've left a message on your landline.

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I was hoping to speak to you about the cases which I think you're familiar with.

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I look forward to speaking to you. Bye-bye.

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I follow up my call with another e-mail

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and I ask whether someone from Sky

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would be prepared to meet me for a face-to-face chat.

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I'd love to hear why in Alan, Matthew and Jane's cases,

0:23:270:23:31

they have given with one hand but taken away with the other.

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But Alan's case is more about the compensation he didn't receive.

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He had to wait for three months to be connected to a phone line.

0:23:400:23:43

They couldn't give us any dates as to when it was going to be resolved.

0:23:450:23:49

All they could say was they were going to raise the job

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and it should be done within two weeks.

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Alan's problem was that there was no cable

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connecting his home to the network.

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As the property is a new-build,

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it's not clear why the phone line wasn't installed in the first place.

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But as the service provider, it's Sky's responsibility to

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arrange it to be fitted by Openreach, the company which provides

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and maintains the vast network of cables that carry phone

0:24:130:24:16

and internet services to our homes.

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Sky told Alan his new line would be fitted underground.

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Yet all his neighbours had overhead cables.

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As you can see, virtually every single house all the way up

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to here is fed off this pole.

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Hoping it would be mean a faster installation,

0:24:340:24:37

Alan repeatedly asked if he could have his cables fitted overhead.

0:24:370:24:41

Every time I spoke to Sky asking them to get it done that way, they were just saying it's

0:24:410:24:45

not possible to get it done.

0:24:450:24:47

It's quite obviously possible to get it done from everyone else who had it done.

0:24:470:24:50

And it took weeks for Alan's request to be granted.

0:24:500:24:53

Eventually I got copied into an e-mail from BT Openreach to

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a team within Sky called the Fix

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and Learn team. It was an eViper reference number, which means

0:25:010:25:06

it had been escalated to the top level within BT.

0:25:060:25:10

I instantly rang Sky and she said, "Leave it with me for 24 hours and I'll come back to you."

0:25:100:25:16

She stuck to her word. Within 24 hours she had come back to me

0:25:160:25:19

and said, "You will have your phone line fitted within 48 hours,"

0:25:190:25:23

and it actually got fitted within 48 hours.

0:25:230:25:28

Finally, he had his phone line connected through an overhead

0:25:280:25:30

cable, just like he'd asked for in the first place.

0:25:300:25:33

Now, I asked Sky if they would consider meeting me to talk about

0:25:330:25:37

the problems experienced by Alan and Matthew and Jane and guess what...

0:25:370:25:42

They've only gone and said yes. I've been waiting a long time for this, so let's see what happens

0:25:420:25:47

I've come to meet Danielle Macleod, Sky's Director of Service Operations.

0:25:470:25:53

Danielle, I'll start off with a big thank you for agreeing to meet me.

0:25:530:25:56

I very much appreciate that.

0:25:560:25:57

Let's start off with Matthew Bramwell - what happened?

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Dom, before we start I just think that it's really

0:26:000:26:03

important for me to firstly say sorry. With these cases we haven't

0:26:030:26:07

done the right thing by our customers and we're sorry for that.

0:26:070:26:10

OK, apologies are great, now what actually went wrong?

0:26:100:26:14

In Matthew's case this started with a really simple clerical error.

0:26:140:26:18

Our sales agent forgot to put a unique

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number into our systems, which meant that the offer that Matthew

0:26:210:26:24

was looking for didn't come through to our systems.

0:26:240:26:27

After that, Dom, I must be honest, I was as baffled as you when I looked at the case.

0:26:270:26:32

This is not how we would normally deal with these circumstances.

0:26:320:26:35

I would have hoped in these circumstances we would honour the offer.

0:26:350:26:38

'This unique reference number is obviously important to them,

0:26:380:26:42

'so I want to make sure I know what it is.'

0:26:420:26:44

When an offer is given, it's given a code and for that offer to be

0:26:440:26:48

initiated that code has to go into a system, is that correct?

0:26:480:26:51

-That's correct.

-In layman's terms. Obviously it's a lot more

0:26:510:26:53

complicated than that and you're saying that the code that was

0:26:530:26:56

given that didn't work, is that right? It should have been given?

0:26:560:26:59

So the offer was legitimate,

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the sales advisor put the wrong code into the system, and therefore,

0:27:020:27:06

when it got through to the contact centres, it didn't marry up

0:27:060:27:09

with the offer that Matthew thought he'd been given.

0:27:090:27:11

We have a variety of different offers that work for our customers

0:27:110:27:14

and in Matthew's case, the code that went in for him

0:27:140:27:17

didn't show any offer at all, so he ended up being charged as a full contract.

0:27:170:27:21

'I want to know why Matthew's contract wasn't honoured

0:27:210:27:25

'when he explained he had been put on the wrong tariff.'

0:27:250:27:27

Honestly, we have human beings who work for us

0:27:270:27:30

and they make mistakes, and in this scenario

0:27:300:27:33

our advisors are allowed to use their own judgment.

0:27:330:27:37

Listening to the call, it seemed to me that person wasn't quite sure what to do.

0:27:370:27:41

You're probably aware of this but you should have honoured it

0:27:410:27:45

legally as well as morally, would you agree?

0:27:450:27:47

Absolutely, but for me, this is as much to do about commitment as well as contract.

0:27:470:27:50

For me, once we've made a commitment to our customers,

0:27:500:27:53

we need to do everything we can to honour that.

0:27:530:27:55

'Danielle has put her hands up and agrees that they did the wrong thing and should have

0:27:550:27:59

'honoured Matt and Jane's contract, but that's not all I want to find out.'

0:27:590:28:03

Alan Dukes, what happened?

0:28:030:28:06

Dom, that phone line took far longer to install than any of us would

0:28:060:28:11

have thought was reasonable. I completely understand Alan's frustrations

0:28:110:28:16

and I'm really sorry for the inconvenience that was caused to him.

0:28:160:28:19

When we got to his property, our engineer was really

0:28:190:28:23

surprised that in a new development nobody had laid any cables

0:28:230:28:26

and we needed to instruct BT Openreach to lay those cables into

0:28:260:28:30

the property so that we could put his phone and internet on. That

0:28:300:28:34

took far longer than any of us would have liked, it wasn't good enough.

0:28:340:28:38

Whose fault is it?

0:28:380:28:39

So we worked really hard to work with BT Openreach to try to

0:28:390:28:44

get the timescales through faster. We just weren't

0:28:440:28:46

successful in this instance and it wasn't good enough.

0:28:460:28:49

Openreach has told us that it

0:28:490:28:51

tries to serve customers via underground ducting where

0:28:510:28:54

available but...

0:28:540:28:57

And it seems in this case there was no ducting,

0:29:010:29:03

and if so, this would have meant complex engineering to resolve.

0:29:030:29:06

But for Alan, the installation delay wasn't the only problem.

0:29:060:29:11

What happened with the compensation?

0:29:110:29:13

So our advisor that Alan spoke to

0:29:130:29:19

rightly made an offer an offer of compensation.

0:29:190:29:22

They made an unauthorised offer that was far over and above what

0:29:220:29:27

we would normally offer in loss of service circumstances.

0:29:270:29:29

We wanted to do the right thing by Mr Dukes,

0:29:290:29:33

so we had a lengthy conversation with him

0:29:330:29:35

to discuss what we believed would be a reasonable offer.

0:29:350:29:37

This was less than what he was originally offered.

0:29:370:29:40

It was, yes, and we came to an agreement.

0:29:400:29:43

We believed that he was happy with that agreement, we sent him

0:29:430:29:46

a cheque which he cashed. We believed he was happy, clearly he wasn't.

0:29:460:29:51

In Alan's case, I don't think he would be upset for me to say,

0:29:510:29:54

when he was unhappy with the service,

0:29:540:29:57

he asked you for compensation, and I think to a certain degree,

0:29:570:30:00

you were happy to give him some compensation.

0:30:000:30:02

I don't doubt Alan pushed his luck, as a lot of people would do.

0:30:020:30:06

But what he asked your advisor for was something, give or take, around £1,200-odd.

0:30:060:30:11

-It was a huge amount, wasn't it?

-It was.

0:30:110:30:13

You're saying under

0:30:130:30:15

normal circumstances he wouldn't have got it. I'm going to give

0:30:150:30:18

you that one because I wouldn't have given it in your shoes, either.

0:30:180:30:21

But the problem lies herein. Your advisor said yes.

0:30:210:30:25

Surely at that point you

0:30:280:30:30

should have honoured it and realised this was your problem, not Alan's.

0:30:300:30:34

I agree with you. I think when we make a commitment to our customers we need to see it through.

0:30:360:30:40

So why didn't you, like a big boy, take it on the chin and say,

0:30:400:30:44

"Right, this member of staff..." who, don't forget, is trained and employed by Sky,

0:30:440:30:49

made an offer he wasn't able to honour and therefore we're

0:30:490:30:54

going to take this one on the chin and send him off and retrain him.

0:30:540:30:58

Do you know what, Dom, I think that's exactly what we should have done.

0:30:580:31:02

It seems Sky want to play ball and is admitting it was wrong

0:31:020:31:05

but what is going to stop this from happening in the future?

0:31:050:31:09

I can't possibly say to you that sometimes our people won't make mistakes.

0:31:090:31:12

What I can promise you is that I personally will never rest

0:31:120:31:15

until we get everything right for our customers.

0:31:150:31:18

Otherwise you'll have me on the phone, won't you?

0:31:180:31:20

Hopefully not!

0:31:200:31:21

-Danielle, I like you, you're ever so nice. Thanks for coming down again.

-Thank you.

0:31:210:31:25

It's a rarity in my line of work for a company to come in, meet me

0:31:280:31:31

face-to-face, be big enough

0:31:310:31:33

and bold enough to say, "You know what, Dom, we got it wrong and we're

0:31:330:31:37

"going to put it right." My message to you at Sky is "Good on you."

0:31:370:31:41

We all know how important a work-out at your local gym is for you.

0:31:460:31:50

But trust me, we are inundated with complaints about membership contracts, especially

0:31:500:31:55

when you want to cancel one, as we found out from one of many fitness fanatics.

0:31:550:32:02

Paul Hazell from London is crazy about keeping in shape.

0:32:020:32:05

I've worked as a personal trainer for many years. Usually I'm

0:32:050:32:09

a very, very fit person. I've run the marathon twice. I'm also

0:32:090:32:12

interested in wrestling, body building, football.

0:32:120:32:15

Keeping fit is very important to me.

0:32:150:32:17

Paul was a member of Fitness First but in February 2012 his branch

0:32:170:32:22

closed down so he moved to another one nearby.

0:32:220:32:25

It was local to me and a lot of my friends trained there.

0:32:250:32:28

It had pretty much everything in there that I needed.

0:32:280:32:31

Paul signed up to a one-year contract at the gym

0:32:330:32:36

for £50.95 per month, and for seven months everything was hunky dory.

0:32:360:32:41

But then Paul's life took an unexpected turn.

0:32:410:32:44

I was out for Sunday dinner with my fiance at the time

0:32:460:32:49

and I felt a little unwell after it. I crossed the road

0:32:490:32:52

and suddenly I was getting chest pains, shortness of breath.

0:32:520:32:55

I called 999. The paramedics turned up, they took me to the

0:32:550:32:59

hospital. They ran all the usual tests - blood tests, ECGs, X-rays.

0:32:590:33:04

After 12 hours, I was given the all-clear and told it was probably a one-off event and I was sent home.

0:33:040:33:10

But unfortunately it wasn't.

0:33:120:33:14

Paul soon suffered further episodes

0:33:140:33:16

and while doctors tried to get to the bottom of what was wrong,

0:33:160:33:19

he was signed off work and told to take it easy.

0:33:190:33:22

They advised me not to do any physical activities

0:33:230:33:26

until I'd got it sorted out.

0:33:260:33:28

One thing was for sure,

0:33:300:33:31

Paul wouldn't be going to the gym any time soon.

0:33:310:33:34

Trouble was, he was committed to Fitness First for a year

0:33:340:33:36

and still had four months left to run on his contract.

0:33:360:33:39

It was something he hadn't really thought about when he'd signed up.

0:33:390:33:43

I always read my terms and conditions and the small print, and at the time I was fit and healthy

0:33:430:33:47

so although I probably read all the terms and conditions about health

0:33:470:33:51

and stuff, I probably wasn't as worried about that

0:33:510:33:53

because my health was very good at the time.

0:33:530:33:56

Fortunately though Paul was in luck.

0:33:560:33:57

The Fitness First small print made it clear that he could

0:33:570:34:01

cancel his membership if genuine

0:34:010:34:03

and relevant health issues prevented him from attending the gym.

0:34:030:34:07

When I went to see the manager of my local branch,

0:34:070:34:10

I explained what was going on and I took relevant paperwork

0:34:100:34:12

and then I was told that I would need to send that off and speak to the head of

0:34:120:34:17

Fitness First because they couldn't deal with it there.

0:34:170:34:19

Paul e-mailed head office and was then told he would have to

0:34:190:34:23

post them documents from his doctors explaining his condition.

0:34:230:34:27

I sent the documents in good faith at cost to myself

0:34:270:34:31

because at the end of the day I knew they needed proof

0:34:310:34:33

and I was hoping with the information they had, it would back up everything that I was telling them

0:34:330:34:38

And it did. In January 2013, Fitness First told Paul

0:34:380:34:43

they would freeze his account and refund him

0:34:430:34:45

the £101.90 he had paid for November and December 2012.

0:34:450:34:50

Paul thought that was that, but in May 2013 he got a nasty surprise.

0:34:500:34:56

I noticed when I got a printout of my balance that there was two

0:34:560:34:59

payments taken out of 50.95. They were both from Fitness First.

0:34:590:35:05

Paul had assumed that his Fitness First contract had ended,

0:35:050:35:08

but in fact his account had just been temporarily frozen

0:35:080:35:11

and was now active again.

0:35:110:35:13

I was under the impression that I was getting a full cancellation.

0:35:130:35:16

The freeze was mentioned, but I told them that

0:35:160:35:18

because of what was going on, I would like a cancellation.

0:35:180:35:22

In e-mails and letters, Fitness First had told Paul the account was

0:35:230:35:27

going to be frozen until the end of March.

0:35:270:35:30

He'd failed to contact them before this date

0:35:300:35:32

and so further payments had been taken.

0:35:320:35:34

Again he tried to cancel but as his original doctor's notes were

0:35:340:35:38

now out of date, Fitness First needed further medical evidence.

0:35:380:35:42

Although it was stating everything that was there

0:35:420:35:46

and they were saying to me

0:35:460:35:47

that I would need to sign one of their medical certificates.

0:35:470:35:50

Paul agreed but felt he had given them ample proof of his illness.

0:35:500:35:55

In the terms of the contract, it said if there was a genuine

0:35:550:35:58

and relevant reason for cancelling that contract it can be cancelled.

0:35:580:36:02

Clearly this gym member was very poorly, was feeling dizzy,

0:36:020:36:06

had chest pains, wasn't able to continue to exercise,

0:36:060:36:09

and produced a doctor's note to prove that.

0:36:090:36:12

So, within the terms of this contract, they should have been able to cancel.

0:36:120:36:16

Paul sent over the forms and waited to hear back.

0:36:160:36:19

The response that I got from Fitness First was a final e-mail

0:36:190:36:22

telling me that I was not getting my money back.

0:36:220:36:24

From my understanding, the contract was then cancelled.

0:36:240:36:28

But, sadly, that wasn't the end of it.

0:36:280:36:31

After three months of not hearing nothing from Fitness First,

0:36:310:36:34

suddenly I get contacted by them, telling me

0:36:340:36:36

that I'm outstanding and I owe them money.

0:36:360:36:39

The letter stated that

0:36:390:36:41

if I did not pay that money within a certain period of time

0:36:410:36:44

that they would get in contact with a debt-collecting agency.

0:36:440:36:48

Incredibly, Paul's contract still hadn't been cancelled

0:36:480:36:51

and Fitness First now believed he owed them three months' worth of fees.

0:36:510:36:56

Exasperated by everything that had happened, Paul turned to yours

0:36:560:36:59

truly and so I contacted Fitness First to see

0:36:590:37:02

if I could help resolve this once and for all.

0:37:020:37:06

They have come back to me and told me that the account is now

0:37:060:37:09

definitely cancelled and that any arrears have been written off -

0:37:090:37:12

good news - but what about the two months' worth of fees Paul's charged with?

0:37:120:37:16

Well, Fitness First have written to him.

0:37:160:37:20

"Dear Mr Hazel, Please find enclosed a cheque for £101.90

0:37:200:37:24

"relating to the refund due.

0:37:240:37:26

"We apologise for this issue and any inconvenience caused. Best wishes."

0:37:260:37:31

It's taken a while but Paul can now finally

0:37:310:37:34

but his gym troubles behind him.

0:37:340:37:36

I'm kind of happy that I got a refund on the two months.

0:37:360:37:40

It's quite nice to know when I put this in my account that I'm

0:37:400:37:44

finally going to get the money back.

0:37:440:37:46

I didn't think I was ever going to get this

0:37:460:37:48

so it's a little bit of a victory.

0:37:480:37:51

I've been helping two families who both feel let down by Sky.

0:38:150:38:19

They were both promised deals, only to be told that Sky wasn't

0:38:190:38:22

going to honour them.

0:38:220:38:23

I felt quite cheated, to be honest,

0:38:230:38:25

because we had taken this in good faith.

0:38:250:38:28

In my opinion, it's the wrong way to do business.

0:38:280:38:32

If you want to run a successful business, you put

0:38:320:38:35

the customer at the heart of your business, you don't turn round

0:38:350:38:37

and say, "We aren't interested in what you're saying."

0:38:370:38:40

Now, although I have two very unhappy customers,

0:38:400:38:44

I have a funny feeling that's about to change,

0:38:440:38:47

because Sky have admitted to me, face-to-face, where they went wrong

0:38:470:38:50

and what they'll do to try to fix things, which is good news in anyone's book.

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And I'm not the only who's pleased.

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Let's start with Alan, who had to wait

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three months for a phone line and then had

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an offer of compensation worth £1,200 reduced to one worth £350.

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Well, since I got on the case an executive from Sky has been in touch.

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I've had a phone call, they basically said

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that I can either have a cheque for the full amount of compensation or

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they can give me the free Sky that was originally offered to me.

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They've also offered to add another £100 on there

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by the way of a gesture of goodwill.

0:39:290:39:31

Gordon Bennett, that is quite a good result. Alan has gladly accepted

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a cheque for a total of £1,355, which is in addition to

0:39:350:39:39

the compensation he'd already received.

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I've got to say, hats off to Sky for honouring the original

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and extremely generous offer.

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I am grateful to Sky. It's taken a lot longer than it should have

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done but they've finally made good on the promise, which, at the end

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of the day is all I wanted from the beginning of all of this.

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I agree, Alan, and a promise is a promise so I'm glad I was able to help.

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If I could pass a message on to Dom it would be a massive thank you.

0:40:010:40:06

Really, really happy that you got involved

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and I'm really glad you managed to sort this out, thank you very much.

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That's one happy customer.

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But what about Matthew and Jane, who were offered a Sky

0:40:140:40:17

package for a monthly price that really seemed too good to be true?

0:40:170:40:21

Well, I have news for them too, so I've made my way up to sunny Skegness.

0:40:210:40:25

-Come in!

-Thanks very much.

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'Understandably, Matthew and Jane are still not best pleased with

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'the way that they have been treated by Sky.'

0:40:320:40:35

If I asked you right now how you feel about Sky, what would you say?

0:40:350:40:38

If they just held their hands up and said, "Yeah, we made a mistake,"

0:40:380:40:41

I'd be happy with that. I think the customer service skills

0:40:410:40:44

-have gone out of the window.

-Really disappointed, really let down.

0:40:440:40:48

It caused us a lot of grief and heartache, really, so I'm not best pleased.

0:40:480:40:53

No, and I think you are quite right to feel like that

0:40:530:40:56

about them. When I looked at what happened, I've got to be honest,

0:40:560:40:59

I was actually quite shocked. You had a contract there,

0:40:590:41:04

signed by you, signed by the sales rep,

0:41:040:41:08

with each and every box you'd selected ticked, with the price

0:41:080:41:12

at the bottom, £31.75, whatever it was. How can they argue about that?

0:41:120:41:18

Well, they have...quite strongly.

0:41:180:41:21

'Well, the arguing is over now because Sky has given me

0:41:210:41:24

'an offer to pass onto Matthew and Jane.'

0:41:240:41:27

How would you feel

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if I said that they are offering you £100 worth of vouchers?

0:41:290:41:33

-And give me your honest answers.

-Is that for their products, or...?

0:41:330:41:37

-No, it's for a high street store.

-I don't know, what do you think? I have no idea.

0:41:370:41:42

Tell me honestly, what do you think?

0:41:420:41:44

At the end of the day, I didn't come to you to try

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and fleece money out of the company. As a goodwill gesture,

0:41:480:41:52

-I think that will be a reasonable sum.

-So you would be happy to put it to bed and accept that?

0:41:520:41:56

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-OK.

0:41:560:41:58

Hang on a sec. How would you feel if they also

0:41:580:42:01

said they are going to honour the package you signed up for

0:42:010:42:04

for 12 months, which you can start any time you want,

0:42:040:42:08

-as well as the vouchers?

-Definitely.

-Definitely.

-You feel happy with that?

0:42:080:42:13

Yeah, that's all we wanted in the first place.

0:42:130:42:16

Well, that's what they are going to do. You're happy...

0:42:160:42:19

Yeah, I'm happy. Thank you so much.

0:42:190:42:20

My job's done,

0:42:200:42:22

and I hope they've learnt a lesson from this.

0:42:220:42:25

Yeah, definitely.

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Because all these big companies need to keep hold of their good customers.

0:42:270:42:31

Right, I'm off to the big smoke. I like Skegness,

0:42:310:42:34

-but I miss the big smoke.

-Thanks ever so much.

0:42:340:42:37

Who's going to show me out?

0:42:370:42:39

-I'll take you out.

-Lead the way.

0:42:390:42:41

Thanks ever so much. Cheers, bye.

0:42:410:42:44

Finally it seems everyone is happy and I think that's my job done.

0:42:440:42:48

To get £100 vouchers and the contract that

0:42:480:42:53

I signed for to begin with is amazing. Really, really happy.

0:42:530:42:59

-So, thank you.

-Yeah, good job, Dom.

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You know, I get a lot of satisfaction sorting out people's problems

0:43:050:43:09

but there is a moral to this story and that is it should

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never have happened in the first place, Sky.

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