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I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Could you let her know that I tried to call? | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
She's probably quite keen to speak to me. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Any problem, no matter how big or small, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
I'll help you get the service you deserve. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I'm getting the impression you don't want to answer any of the questions now. Is that correct? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
Whether it involves getting your money back... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
We've never had the phone so we're not going to pay for a phone we've not had. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
..or taking on your contract conundrums... | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
If you book a holiday with that company, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
that company should be the one that you complain to. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
..I'm here to help. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
One of the benefits of buying from a big company is it's a name you can trust. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
But what happens if they break their promise to you? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
I feel quite angry that they've let us down, to be quite honest. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
And I help out a fitness fanatic whose gym left him reeling. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
I thought considering I was being investigated for a heart condition, there wouldn't be an issue. | 0:00:54 | 0:01:00 | |
And I give you the lowdown on those tricky T&Cs. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I'm taking on your consumer problems to make sure you don't get done. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
Television, internet and phone lines are the sort of items | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
you would find in every single household in the UK, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
so it's little wonder there are vast amounts of companies | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
offering entertainment and communication packages. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
But does this multi-billion-pound industry really offer the level of service that we expect? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
Well, not according to two families who have contacted me. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Both went to Sky for their TV, phone and internet | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
and both feel that the company hasn't delivered what it said they would. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
It was roughly three months from when we moved into the property | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
and actually had the keys to actually having a phone line. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
I was a new customer. You would think they'd be bending over backwards for us and they haven't. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:58 | |
Matthew and Jane Bramwell live in the seaside town of Skegness in Lincolnshire. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:05 | |
Like many people, the couple had their TV, internet and phone with one company | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
but had been thinking about changing providers | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
when they got a knock at the door in October 2013. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
The rep came to our house and he says, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
"You're on the database as a good customer with good credit rating | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
"and I've got this deal for you for a great Sky package." | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
It seemed the door-to-door salesman had called at just the right time. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
I've never had Sky. It's always been a luxury for me. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Now I'm in a better job, I started thinking, "Yeah, OK, I'll have Sky." | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
The salesman sat down with the couple and explained | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
that he could offer them a deal that included their broadband, their phone and a TV package | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
for a very reasonable £31.75 a month. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
I felt that it was such a good deal that it was silly not to take it. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
The couple agreed there and then. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
There was going to be a one-off £5 initiation fee | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
and the rep gave them a copy of the contract | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
which detailed everything that they had signed up to. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Inside the Sky rep put stars next to the package that we would receive. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
They were thrilled to have got such a great offer | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
and within a couple of weeks everything had been installed | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
and they were enjoying their new service. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
I had no issues with it. The internet was fine, the phone lines were working great. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
And there were other advantages to their new service. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
My wife had gone into a local department store with a Sky desk | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
and they were offering Sky Movies for free for a month as a trial basis | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
so we were like, "Yeah. We've now got Sky. We'll try Sky Movies for free." | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
The free movies trial lasted for a month | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
and it was when Matthew rang to cancel that things began to go wrong. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
Sky had said over the phone that there would be a payment of £108 | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
coming out of our back account. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
They said that Sky make you pay for a month and a half or two months in advance. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
I thought, "OK, fair enough, but £108? Considering I only pay £31.75 a month?" | 0:04:07 | 0:04:14 | |
So cogs started turning and I thought something's not right here. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Even with two and a half months' fees paid in advance, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
that was still over £30 more than they were expecting to shell out. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
So Matthew called Sky back and asked why his bill was so high. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
They said, "Because that's your contract." | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
I went, "No, it's not. I've got my contract in front of me. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
"It says one-off payment of £5 then a monthly payment of 31.75." | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
And they said, "I'm sorry but there's no such deal." | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
I said, "Well, I've got the evidence in front of me. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
"I've got the contract. This is what I've signed for." | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Matthew was told that he had actually signed up to a contract | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
with monthly payments of £58 which came as a nasty surprise to the couple. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
We could comfortably afford to pay £31.75 a month. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
That's why we signed up to it because that is what we could physically afford to pay out. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:13 | |
But they couldn't afford to pay £58 per month, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
so after lots of toing and froing, they had no choice but to give Sky an ultimatum. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
I said, "Either give me the contract that I've signed and agreed for | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
"or you come and send an engineer down and rip the Sky out." | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
And they came down and ripped it out. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
The whole experience has left them feeling pretty bitter. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
I feel frustrated with Sky. I feel let down. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
I feel like they haven't kept to their end of the bargain. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
But Matthew and Jane are not the only disgruntled Sky customers who have been in touch with me. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
Alan Dukes from Stoke-on-Trent already had a Sky package | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
including TV, phone and broadband | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
but his troubles began when he moved into a new-build home. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
We rang Sky to enquire how easy it was going to be to move everything | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
because we wanted to keep everything pretty much exactly the same. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
They turned round and said, "Yeah, that's really simple. Let us know the date of your move." | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
So that was one thing Alan didn't have to worry about. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Sky would have it covered for him. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
On the move day, the engineers all turned up. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
And the Sky TV was installed without a hitch, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
but there was a problem with the phone line and broadband. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
He turned round and said, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
"Look, the underground cable hasn't been put in so there's nothing we can do at the moment." | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
It turned out that Alan's new-build house hadn't been connected to the network | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
so the phone line and broadband couldn't be fitted. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Sky told Alan that he wouldn't have to pay for the phone line or broadband services | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
until the connection was sorted. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
They told him that they would work with Openreach, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
the division of BT which installs cables, to get the problem fixed. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
They couldn't give us any dates as to when it was going to be resolved | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
because they were relying on a third party. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
All they could say was that it should be done within two weeks. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
But two weeks turned into two frustrating months | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
during which Alan found himself on the phone to Sky on an almost daily basis. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
And because he was left without a landline, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
he ended up calling the 0844 number from his mobile at a considerable cost. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
Alan felt like he was getting nowhere. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
I was getting very stressed out. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
Every conversation I had with someone | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
was contradicting the previous conversations that I had. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
Eventually enough was enough and Alan spoke to a manager | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
and said he would like compensation for the costs and disruption he had incurred as a result of the delays. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:45 | |
I was very clear about what I was looking for. I said to him, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
"This is what I will accept by way of compensation for the problems that you have put me through." | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
Like a man after my own heart, Alan aimed high | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
and gave them a list of requests including free Sky TV, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
half-price line rental | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
and half-price broadband for a year. Good on you, Alan. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
The manager on the phone said, "That's not a problem. We can arrange that." | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
And surprisingly, when Alan did the sums, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
the deal amounted to £1,255. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
It was one heck of an offer and no bad thing | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
considering it was another month before the family's phone line was finally installed. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
But when Alan chased up the compensation, there was a problem. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
The manager said he was going to have a look into it and see what they could offer. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
I explained that the offer had already been made by a previous manager that I had dealt with. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
I explained that they had offered me the free Sky TV for a year, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
the half-price line rental, the half-price broadband. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
The manager I was speaking to said that there was no way | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
he could offer that level of compensation. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
It seemed the company had done a U-turn | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
and now the best they would offer was £350. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
Bearing in mind that 200 of that would only cover my phone calls, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
it was a real kick in the teeth. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
I'd agree. Alan felt his only option was to cash the £350 cheque | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
but he remains unhappy that the company went back on its previous offer. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
I think it's absolutely appalling that a company of Sky's size | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
can offer one of their customers something and then just take it back. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
I've got two unhappy families who were both offered great deals by Sky | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
only for them not to happen. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I need to get to the bottom of this. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Sky is Britain's and Ireland's leading home entertainment and communications provider, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
serving almost 11 million homes. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
It's also a broadcaster which makes programmes, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
but we'll be talking to the part of the firm | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
which supplies phone, TV and internet services. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
And I get straight onto them. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
I've sent an e-mail to Sky outlining each of the family's problems. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Now I just need to wait and see what they have to say about both of the cases. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
It seems these days we have to sign a contract for just about everything | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
- from mobile phones, gym membership, even childcare. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
But it is important to know what we're actually signing. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Sometimes those T&Cs and small print can be a little bit confusing. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
And fortunately I know just the man to help navigate us through | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
the choppy waters of contract law, a former head of Trading Standards. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
When you're entering into a contract where there are terms and conditions, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
don't do as most of us do and blithely tick the box | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
or put your name to the document. Actually read them. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
Read the terms and conditions. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
That is tip number one, tip number two and tip number three. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Very wise words indeed, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
and ones that a few more of us could do with taking on board. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I tend to skip over terms and conditions | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
because everything is speeded up and you want everything to go quickly. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
You tick the box because you can't be bothered to read it. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
It shouldn't be in small print. It should be in big print like everything else. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
Usually you think how can these terms and conditions ever really affect me anyway? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
But if you end up in a dispute with a company, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
failure to read the small print could come back and haunt you, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
especially if the contract you've signed isn't actually fair. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
There a number of areas that make a contract unfair. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
Sadly there are sectors of business that still produce contracts | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
which are prejudicial to consumers' interest. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
I think understanding the terminology first of all. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Do you actually understand what you're signing up for? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Secondly, the size of the print, the font size. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
Are you able to read and understand the terms and conditions? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Do they place unreasonable burdens on you as a consumer | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
and exempt the trader? | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
I've been contacted by John, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:07 | |
who believes he's ended up with an unfair contract | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
after buying some external French doors. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
The company states the doors must be treated before hanging them, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
yet they state any work carried out invalidates any returns. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
But further down, the contract states: | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Protected from sun and rain? Doesn't that defeat the object of external doors? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
The terms and conditions are a contradiction of terms and are unreasonable. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:41 | |
No court faced with that problem would ever find in favour of the trader. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
I think the consumer should act reasonably. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
Draw the trader's attention to the nonsense of those terms and conditions, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:57 | |
and strike them out and agree new terms and conditions with the trader. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
Changing the T&Cs? I bet you didn't know you could. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Changes can be made to contracts. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Revisions can be made and introduced into contracts that you've already entered into | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
but of course you've got to prove that both sides have agreed to those changes. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
You need some written proof of that fact. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Signed and dated is the most obvious example. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
There you go, John. Remember that next time you're buying doors. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Now I've also heard from Carol who spent £2,000 on flooring for her conservatory | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
which came with a 20-year guarantee. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
But soon after installation, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
her lightweight furniture started to scratch and mark the floor. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
Turns out the guarantee was based on manufacturing tests | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
that had only lasted two hours, not 20 years. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
Oh, and the warranty excluded damage caused by footwear, furniture and cleaning. What?! | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
In these circumstances it would appear that the trader almost acknowledges | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
that there is an issue with the goods that he has supplied | 0:13:58 | 0:14:04 | |
and acknowledges that the goods are not fit for the purpose | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
and seems to continually provide some redress or compensation. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
It defies belief that they should continue to do this. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:21 | |
In such circumstances, I think it's advisable | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
for the consumer and the trader to enter into some form of mediation. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
What is an agreed outcome? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
What's an agreed form of redress in these circumstances? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
If you're in a situation like John or Carol, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
what can you do to dispute a contract? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Where you consider a contract term to be unfair, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
in the first instance draw it to the attention of the person | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
that you have contracted the goods or services from. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
See what they have to say. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
Make sure that you understand what the contract term actually means. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
Tell the person that you do not feel that that's a fair contract term. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
You may wish to continue with the provision of the goods or services | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
but not subject to those terms and conditions. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
If you cannot achieve what you set out to do | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
by rescinding the contract term, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
you should give notice to the trader and seek redress. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:25 | |
Wise words from the contract king. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Just remember, what you're signing is on paper, not cast in stone. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Matthew and Jane Bramwell could barely believe it | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
when a door-to-door salesman from Sky | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
offered them TV, phone and internet for just £31.75 per month. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
The deal was really good. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
I would say I kept my calm and clarified with him three or four times | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
if that was the correct price and that there were no hidden charges. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
But it turned out the deal they were offered really was too good to be true. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
I feel that they've let us down. I feel they haven't held their end of the bargain. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
Alan Dukes had to wait three months to have phone and internet installed | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
and was told he could have products worth over £1,200 as compensation. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
When Sky cut that offer to £350, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
he wasn't going to take it lying down. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
I sent an e-mail of complaint over to the fix and learn team | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
asking them to pass it on to the executive's office, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
knowing that that's the highest level it can go to. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
In both Alan, Matthew and Jane's cases, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Sky has told them it won't honour the original offers. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
Sky have wasted no time at all and have sent me an e-mail saying | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
they're looking into all the cases and information I've sent them. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Hopefully they'll get back to me soon, then. Right. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
In the meantime, I'm heading to Ofcom | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
which is the independent organisation regulating the UK communication industries. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
Although Ofcom doesn't deal with individual consumer complaints, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
they know everything there is to know about our rights as consumers | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
when we buy phones, internet and TV services. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
So I'm keen to hear what Lynn Parker, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
their director of consumer protection, thinks about our cases. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
I've heard from some people who aren't very happy with Sky. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
One of the people I'm trying to help had an offer made over the phone from a representative at Sky, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
however later on they came back and said, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
"No, we're not going to honour that because he's not actually authorised to do so." | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
But the agreement had been made verbally. Surely they have to honour that? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
It would depend on the type of things that were offered. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
If the sort of thing offered was by form of compensation, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
then it's not subject to contract law | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
but there is still the right to have that honoured. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
And I agree, Lynn. But unfortunately for Alan, Sky hasn't done that | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
and it's left him wondering where to turn. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
I would suggest that if you've been offered compensation that is then reneged upon, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
then go through the complaints procedure with the provider | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
and if you don't get it resolved to your satisfaction after eight weeks, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
then you can go to the ombudsman and they will consider | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
whether they think it was a binding compensatory offer. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
That's good to know and of course Matthew and Jane | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
were also made an offer they thought was binding. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
He was visited by a door-to-door salesperson | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
who gave him a very good deal. He was chuffed with it. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Then Sky headquarters, when they saw the deal, "Ah, we won't do that." | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
He'd got it in writing, he'd got a contract. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
They even took a £5 charge to initiate the process. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
If you do have an agreed contract, that contract should be honoured. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
It doesn't matter if it was done on the doorstep or over the telephone or in a shop. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
What's important is that if you've agreed to a contract | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
and you've signed up to it, then you should have that deal honoured. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Lynn, as always, lovely advice. Great to see you again. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
So if Matt and Jane's contract is a valid one, they are entitled to the deal. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
But the couple were given a special offer by the rep. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Maybe it was just that - an offer and not a binding contract. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
Where it says "Your Sky package, Entertainment Extra+ Pack," | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
he's crossed out the price and put URN, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
which I believe stands for unique reference number. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Further down it's put Sky broadband unlimited, £7.50. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
He's scrubbed that out and put URN. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
It seems this unique reference number was something the sales rep | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
could use to show that he'd given them a special deal. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
But when the couple pointed this out to Sky, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
they seemed to distance themselves from what the rep had said. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
They said the rep who came to my door, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
they have nothing to do with them. You need to sort it out with him. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
Thankfully Matthew had a mobile number for the rep | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
and left a message for him explaining the situation. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Eventually he sent a message back saying, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
"Don't worry, Matt. I'll sort it for you." | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
OK. The next day I rang Sky again, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and they said they'd had no contact, no phone call or anything from any Sky rep. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
And Sky was adamant it couldn't offer what the rep had promised. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
I've got the evidence in front of me. I've got the contract. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
This is what I've signed for. They said, "No, there's no such deal." | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
The point here is that Matthew and Jane were told by a representative of Sky | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
that there WAS such a deal, so what we need to know | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
is whether the contract the salesman left them with is legally binding. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
To find out, I've asked Matthew and Jane to go and see Tim Miller, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
a solicitor with over 30 years' experience. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Have a seat, please. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
I understand, Matthew, that you're having some problems with Sky TV. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
That's right. We found out that they were actually | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
taking more money out of my account than what I'd signed up for. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
So I rang up Sky and explained my contract, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
and they said they've never heard of such a deal. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
They said they don't understand what URN stands for | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
and they can't honour the contract because they don't have such a deal. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
After explaining the situation, it's time to find out what Tim thinks. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
There are two types of contract, a written contract, which this is, or the oral contract. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
The advantage of a written contract like this | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
is that the terms are set out in writing. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
So you've signed this. You've been asked to read it through carefully | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
because that's what it states on the contract, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
and it says your ongoing commitment is 31.75 a month. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
You've relied on that representation | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
and you've entered into that contract based on those representations. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
As you no doubt would say, if you'd been told it would be £108 a month, you would have said, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
"I don't want to pay that amount for this type of entertainment. It's too much." | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
You would not have entered into the contract. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Mm. This sounds pretty promising so let's cut to the chase. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Is that a valid contract? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Yes, it's a contract entered into by Sky. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
They have an agent who may be employed by them or self-employed, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
and he's asked you to sign it. You've signed it. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
They are contractually bound to provide you this package at this price. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
That's why they should provide you with that package. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
So you're entitled to have this 12 month package at 31.75 a month. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Simple as that. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
Tim, that's really helpful. That's really cleared it up. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
-Thank you. -My pleasure. Nice to meet you. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Whether Sky would normally have offered this deal or not, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
they made a legally binding agreement with Matthew and Jane | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
and they should have honoured it. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Sky has been in touch with my team | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
and it's clear they are taking these cases very seriously. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
They want to do the right thing by both sets of customers | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
and I'm confident they will. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
There are still plenty of things I'd like answers to. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Time to call the lady at Sky. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
I've left a message on her landline. She wasn't there, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
so I'm going to call her mobie. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
There's been plenty of e-mail correspondence between us | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
but it doesn't look like I'll be catching her today. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
Hi, it's Dominic from Don't Get Done Get Dom. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
I've left a message on your landline. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
I was hoping to speak to you about the cases which I think you're familiar with. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
I look forward to speaking to you. Bye-bye. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
I follow up my call with another e-mail | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
and I ask whether someone from Sky | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
would be prepared to meet me for a face-to-face chat. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
I'd love to hear why in Alan, Matthew and Jane's cases, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
they have given with one hand but taken away with the other. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
But Alan's case is more about the compensation he didn't receive. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
He had to wait for three months to be connected to a phone line. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
They couldn't give us any dates as to when it was going to be resolved. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
All they could say was they were going to raise the job | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
and it should be done within two weeks. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Alan's problem was that there was no cable | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
connecting his home to the network. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
As the property is a new-build, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
it's not clear why the phone line wasn't installed in the first place. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
But as the service provider, it's Sky's responsibility to | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
arrange it to be fitted by Openreach, the company which provides | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
and maintains the vast network of cables that carry phone | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
and internet services to our homes. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Sky told Alan his new line would be fitted underground. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
Yet all his neighbours had overhead cables. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
As you can see, virtually every single house all the way up | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
to here is fed off this pole. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Hoping it would be mean a faster installation, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Alan repeatedly asked if he could have his cables fitted overhead. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Every time I spoke to Sky asking them to get it done that way, they were just saying it's | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
not possible to get it done. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
It's quite obviously possible to get it done from everyone else who had it done. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
And it took weeks for Alan's request to be granted. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Eventually I got copied into an e-mail from BT Openreach to | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
a team within Sky called the Fix | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
and Learn team. It was an eViper reference number, which means | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
it had been escalated to the top level within BT. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
I instantly rang Sky and she said, "Leave it with me for 24 hours and I'll come back to you." | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
She stuck to her word. Within 24 hours she had come back to me | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
and said, "You will have your phone line fitted within 48 hours," | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and it actually got fitted within 48 hours. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
Finally, he had his phone line connected through an overhead | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
cable, just like he'd asked for in the first place. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Now, I asked Sky if they would consider meeting me to talk about | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
the problems experienced by Alan and Matthew and Jane and guess what... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
They've only gone and said yes. I've been waiting a long time for this, so let's see what happens | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
I've come to meet Danielle Macleod, Sky's Director of Service Operations. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
Danielle, I'll start off with a big thank you for agreeing to meet me. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
I very much appreciate that. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:57 | |
Let's start off with Matthew Bramwell - what happened? | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Dom, before we start I just think that it's really | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
important for me to firstly say sorry. With these cases we haven't | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
done the right thing by our customers and we're sorry for that. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
OK, apologies are great, now what actually went wrong? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
In Matthew's case this started with a really simple clerical error. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
Our sales agent forgot to put a unique | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
number into our systems, which meant that the offer that Matthew | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
was looking for didn't come through to our systems. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
After that, Dom, I must be honest, I was as baffled as you when I looked at the case. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
This is not how we would normally deal with these circumstances. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I would have hoped in these circumstances we would honour the offer. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
'This unique reference number is obviously important to them, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
'so I want to make sure I know what it is.' | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
When an offer is given, it's given a code and for that offer to be | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
initiated that code has to go into a system, is that correct? | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
-That's correct. -In layman's terms. Obviously it's a lot more | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
complicated than that and you're saying that the code that was | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
given that didn't work, is that right? It should have been given? | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
So the offer was legitimate, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
the sales advisor put the wrong code into the system, and therefore, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
when it got through to the contact centres, it didn't marry up | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
with the offer that Matthew thought he'd been given. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
We have a variety of different offers that work for our customers | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
and in Matthew's case, the code that went in for him | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
didn't show any offer at all, so he ended up being charged as a full contract. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
'I want to know why Matthew's contract wasn't honoured | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
'when he explained he had been put on the wrong tariff.' | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
Honestly, we have human beings who work for us | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
and they make mistakes, and in this scenario | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
our advisors are allowed to use their own judgment. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
Listening to the call, it seemed to me that person wasn't quite sure what to do. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
You're probably aware of this but you should have honoured it | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
legally as well as morally, would you agree? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Absolutely, but for me, this is as much to do about commitment as well as contract. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
For me, once we've made a commitment to our customers, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
we need to do everything we can to honour that. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
'Danielle has put her hands up and agrees that they did the wrong thing and should have | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
'honoured Matt and Jane's contract, but that's not all I want to find out.' | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Alan Dukes, what happened? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Dom, that phone line took far longer to install than any of us would | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
have thought was reasonable. I completely understand Alan's frustrations | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
and I'm really sorry for the inconvenience that was caused to him. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
When we got to his property, our engineer was really | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
surprised that in a new development nobody had laid any cables | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and we needed to instruct BT Openreach to lay those cables into | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
the property so that we could put his phone and internet on. That | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
took far longer than any of us would have liked, it wasn't good enough. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
Whose fault is it? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
So we worked really hard to work with BT Openreach to try to | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
get the timescales through faster. We just weren't | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
successful in this instance and it wasn't good enough. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Openreach has told us that it | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
tries to serve customers via underground ducting where | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
available but... | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
And it seems in this case there was no ducting, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
and if so, this would have meant complex engineering to resolve. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
But for Alan, the installation delay wasn't the only problem. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
What happened with the compensation? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
So our advisor that Alan spoke to | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
rightly made an offer an offer of compensation. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
They made an unauthorised offer that was far over and above what | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
we would normally offer in loss of service circumstances. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
We wanted to do the right thing by Mr Dukes, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
so we had a lengthy conversation with him | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
to discuss what we believed would be a reasonable offer. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
This was less than what he was originally offered. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
It was, yes, and we came to an agreement. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
We believed that he was happy with that agreement, we sent him | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
a cheque which he cashed. We believed he was happy, clearly he wasn't. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
In Alan's case, I don't think he would be upset for me to say, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
when he was unhappy with the service, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
he asked you for compensation, and I think to a certain degree, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
you were happy to give him some compensation. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
I don't doubt Alan pushed his luck, as a lot of people would do. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
But what he asked your advisor for was something, give or take, around £1,200-odd. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
-It was a huge amount, wasn't it? -It was. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
You're saying under | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
normal circumstances he wouldn't have got it. I'm going to give | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
you that one because I wouldn't have given it in your shoes, either. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
But the problem lies herein. Your advisor said yes. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
Surely at that point you | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
should have honoured it and realised this was your problem, not Alan's. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
I agree with you. I think when we make a commitment to our customers we need to see it through. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
So why didn't you, like a big boy, take it on the chin and say, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
"Right, this member of staff..." who, don't forget, is trained and employed by Sky, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
made an offer he wasn't able to honour and therefore we're | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
going to take this one on the chin and send him off and retrain him. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Do you know what, Dom, I think that's exactly what we should have done. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
It seems Sky want to play ball and is admitting it was wrong | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
but what is going to stop this from happening in the future? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
I can't possibly say to you that sometimes our people won't make mistakes. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
What I can promise you is that I personally will never rest | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
until we get everything right for our customers. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Otherwise you'll have me on the phone, won't you? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Hopefully not! | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
-Danielle, I like you, you're ever so nice. Thanks for coming down again. -Thank you. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
It's a rarity in my line of work for a company to come in, meet me | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
face-to-face, be big enough | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
and bold enough to say, "You know what, Dom, we got it wrong and we're | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
"going to put it right." My message to you at Sky is "Good on you." | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
We all know how important a work-out at your local gym is for you. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
But trust me, we are inundated with complaints about membership contracts, especially | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
when you want to cancel one, as we found out from one of many fitness fanatics. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:02 | |
Paul Hazell from London is crazy about keeping in shape. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
I've worked as a personal trainer for many years. Usually I'm | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
a very, very fit person. I've run the marathon twice. I'm also | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
interested in wrestling, body building, football. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Keeping fit is very important to me. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
Paul was a member of Fitness First but in February 2012 his branch | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
closed down so he moved to another one nearby. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
It was local to me and a lot of my friends trained there. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
It had pretty much everything in there that I needed. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
Paul signed up to a one-year contract at the gym | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
for £50.95 per month, and for seven months everything was hunky dory. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
But then Paul's life took an unexpected turn. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
I was out for Sunday dinner with my fiance at the time | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
and I felt a little unwell after it. I crossed the road | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
and suddenly I was getting chest pains, shortness of breath. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
I called 999. The paramedics turned up, they took me to the | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
hospital. They ran all the usual tests - blood tests, ECGs, X-rays. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
After 12 hours, I was given the all-clear and told it was probably a one-off event and I was sent home. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
But unfortunately it wasn't. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Paul soon suffered further episodes | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
and while doctors tried to get to the bottom of what was wrong, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
he was signed off work and told to take it easy. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
They advised me not to do any physical activities | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
until I'd got it sorted out. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
One thing was for sure, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
Paul wouldn't be going to the gym any time soon. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
Trouble was, he was committed to Fitness First for a year | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
and still had four months left to run on his contract. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
It was something he hadn't really thought about when he'd signed up. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
I always read my terms and conditions and the small print, and at the time I was fit and healthy | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
so although I probably read all the terms and conditions about health | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
and stuff, I probably wasn't as worried about that | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
because my health was very good at the time. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Fortunately though Paul was in luck. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
The Fitness First small print made it clear that he could | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
cancel his membership if genuine | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
and relevant health issues prevented him from attending the gym. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
When I went to see the manager of my local branch, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
I explained what was going on and I took relevant paperwork | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
and then I was told that I would need to send that off and speak to the head of | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
Fitness First because they couldn't deal with it there. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Paul e-mailed head office and was then told he would have to | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
post them documents from his doctors explaining his condition. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
I sent the documents in good faith at cost to myself | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
because at the end of the day I knew they needed proof | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
and I was hoping with the information they had, it would back up everything that I was telling them | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
And it did. In January 2013, Fitness First told Paul | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
they would freeze his account and refund him | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
the £101.90 he had paid for November and December 2012. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
Paul thought that was that, but in May 2013 he got a nasty surprise. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
I noticed when I got a printout of my balance that there was two | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
payments taken out of 50.95. They were both from Fitness First. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
Paul had assumed that his Fitness First contract had ended, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
but in fact his account had just been temporarily frozen | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
and was now active again. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
I was under the impression that I was getting a full cancellation. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
The freeze was mentioned, but I told them that | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
because of what was going on, I would like a cancellation. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
In e-mails and letters, Fitness First had told Paul the account was | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
going to be frozen until the end of March. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
He'd failed to contact them before this date | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
and so further payments had been taken. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Again he tried to cancel but as his original doctor's notes were | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
now out of date, Fitness First needed further medical evidence. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
Although it was stating everything that was there | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
and they were saying to me | 0:35:46 | 0:35:47 | |
that I would need to sign one of their medical certificates. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Paul agreed but felt he had given them ample proof of his illness. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
In the terms of the contract, it said if there was a genuine | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
and relevant reason for cancelling that contract it can be cancelled. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
Clearly this gym member was very poorly, was feeling dizzy, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
had chest pains, wasn't able to continue to exercise, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
and produced a doctor's note to prove that. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
So, within the terms of this contract, they should have been able to cancel. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
Paul sent over the forms and waited to hear back. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
The response that I got from Fitness First was a final e-mail | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
telling me that I was not getting my money back. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
From my understanding, the contract was then cancelled. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
But, sadly, that wasn't the end of it. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
After three months of not hearing nothing from Fitness First, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
suddenly I get contacted by them, telling me | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
that I'm outstanding and I owe them money. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
The letter stated that | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
if I did not pay that money within a certain period of time | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
that they would get in contact with a debt-collecting agency. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
Incredibly, Paul's contract still hadn't been cancelled | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and Fitness First now believed he owed them three months' worth of fees. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
Exasperated by everything that had happened, Paul turned to yours | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
truly and so I contacted Fitness First to see | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
if I could help resolve this once and for all. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
They have come back to me and told me that the account is now | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
definitely cancelled and that any arrears have been written off - | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
good news - but what about the two months' worth of fees Paul's charged with? | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Well, Fitness First have written to him. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
"Dear Mr Hazel, Please find enclosed a cheque for £101.90 | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
"relating to the refund due. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
"We apologise for this issue and any inconvenience caused. Best wishes." | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
It's taken a while but Paul can now finally | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
but his gym troubles behind him. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
I'm kind of happy that I got a refund on the two months. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
It's quite nice to know when I put this in my account that I'm | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
finally going to get the money back. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
I didn't think I was ever going to get this | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
so it's a little bit of a victory. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
I've been helping two families who both feel let down by Sky. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
They were both promised deals, only to be told that Sky wasn't | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
going to honour them. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
I felt quite cheated, to be honest, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
because we had taken this in good faith. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
In my opinion, it's the wrong way to do business. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
If you want to run a successful business, you put | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
the customer at the heart of your business, you don't turn round | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
and say, "We aren't interested in what you're saying." | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Now, although I have two very unhappy customers, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
I have a funny feeling that's about to change, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
because Sky have admitted to me, face-to-face, where they went wrong | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
and what they'll do to try to fix things, which is good news in anyone's book. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
And I'm not the only who's pleased. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Let's start with Alan, who had to wait | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
three months for a phone line and then had | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
an offer of compensation worth £1,200 reduced to one worth £350. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
Well, since I got on the case an executive from Sky has been in touch. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
I've had a phone call, they basically said | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
that I can either have a cheque for the full amount of compensation or | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
they can give me the free Sky that was originally offered to me. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
They've also offered to add another £100 on there | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
by the way of a gesture of goodwill. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Gordon Bennett, that is quite a good result. Alan has gladly accepted | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
a cheque for a total of £1,355, which is in addition to | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
the compensation he'd already received. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I've got to say, hats off to Sky for honouring the original | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and extremely generous offer. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
I am grateful to Sky. It's taken a lot longer than it should have | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
done but they've finally made good on the promise, which, at the end | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
of the day is all I wanted from the beginning of all of this. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
I agree, Alan, and a promise is a promise so I'm glad I was able to help. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
If I could pass a message on to Dom it would be a massive thank you. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
Really, really happy that you got involved | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
and I'm really glad you managed to sort this out, thank you very much. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
That's one happy customer. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
But what about Matthew and Jane, who were offered a Sky | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
package for a monthly price that really seemed too good to be true? | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
Well, I have news for them too, so I've made my way up to sunny Skegness. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
-Come in! -Thanks very much. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
'Understandably, Matthew and Jane are still not best pleased with | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
'the way that they have been treated by Sky.' | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
If I asked you right now how you feel about Sky, what would you say? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
If they just held their hands up and said, "Yeah, we made a mistake," | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
I'd be happy with that. I think the customer service skills | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
-have gone out of the window. -Really disappointed, really let down. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
It caused us a lot of grief and heartache, really, so I'm not best pleased. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
No, and I think you are quite right to feel like that | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
about them. When I looked at what happened, I've got to be honest, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
I was actually quite shocked. You had a contract there, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
signed by you, signed by the sales rep, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
with each and every box you'd selected ticked, with the price | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
at the bottom, £31.75, whatever it was. How can they argue about that? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
Well, they have...quite strongly. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
'Well, the arguing is over now because Sky has given me | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
'an offer to pass onto Matthew and Jane.' | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
How would you feel | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
if I said that they are offering you £100 worth of vouchers? | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
-And give me your honest answers. -Is that for their products, or...? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
-No, it's for a high street store. -I don't know, what do you think? I have no idea. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
Tell me honestly, what do you think? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
At the end of the day, I didn't come to you to try | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
and fleece money out of the company. As a goodwill gesture, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
-I think that will be a reasonable sum. -So you would be happy to put it to bed and accept that? | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah. -OK. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Hang on a sec. How would you feel if they also | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
said they are going to honour the package you signed up for | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
for 12 months, which you can start any time you want, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
-as well as the vouchers? -Definitely. -Definitely. -You feel happy with that? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
Yeah, that's all we wanted in the first place. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Well, that's what they are going to do. You're happy... | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
Yeah, I'm happy. Thank you so much. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:20 | |
My job's done, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
and I hope they've learnt a lesson from this. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
Yeah, definitely. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Because all these big companies need to keep hold of their good customers. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Right, I'm off to the big smoke. I like Skegness, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
-but I miss the big smoke. -Thanks ever so much. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
Who's going to show me out? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
-I'll take you out. -Lead the way. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Thanks ever so much. Cheers, bye. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
Finally it seems everyone is happy and I think that's my job done. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
To get £100 vouchers and the contract that | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
I signed for to begin with is amazing. Really, really happy. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
-So, thank you. -Yeah, good job, Dom. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
You know, I get a lot of satisfaction sorting out people's problems | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
but there is a moral to this story and that is it should | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
never have happened in the first place, Sky. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 |