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Today we're asking if some of the foods you thought were healthy | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
could actually be doing you all manner of harm. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Quite a few scary reports claim that's the case | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
so we've been finding out if you really need to worry. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Every day we're bombarded with conflicting information | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
about our favourite foods. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
One minute we're told something's good for us. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
The next it's not, and we're left feeling guilty | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
about what we're eating. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
We've been wading through the confusion | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
to separate the scare stories from the truth, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
so you can choose your food with confidence. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Hello and welcome to Food: Truth or Scare, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
the series that's here to tackle those scare stories head-on | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
and find out once and for all if they really stack up. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Do you know, today we're getting to the bottom of more than a few | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
very alarming reports claiming that certain foods or diets | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
aren't just bad for us, but they're downright dangerous. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
And we're not talking here about calorie-laden processed foods that | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
we all know we shouldn't eat too often. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
The ones we'll be discovering the truth about are foods | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
long considered to be a healthy option. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
So we'll be asking whether it's time to rethink some of the food choices | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
we might have assumed were the right ones or if the reports that made you | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
think that are just scaremongering nonsense. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Coming up - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
can fresh fish, something we've been told to eat more of, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
actually be poisoning us? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
You've got to weigh up the benefits of the omega-3 | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
with the dangers of the mercury. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
And is a plant-based vegan diet the healthy alternative some | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
people claim or are vegan parents risking their children's health? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
If you're on a vegan diet, then you're going to end up | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
quite likely to be deficient in vitamin B12. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Now as someone who eats fish twice every week, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
just as the doctor ordered, I was particularly worried by a report | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
that hit the news last year which said that mercury levels | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
in some fish were so high that it could pose a danger to our health. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Now that's a bit of a scary proposition and it goes against | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
what we're often told by our doctors, and indeed the government, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
that as a nation, we don't eat as much fish as we should. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
So to find out if my twice-weekly servings are doing me | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
the world of good or indeed putting dangerous amounts of mercury into my body, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
there was only one way for it, to get tested. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
At home, my husband Stephen and I eat fish of one kind or another | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
at least twice a week, and I have to say Stephen has it almost every day. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
But recently I've noticed some reports that have made me question | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
whether we're doing the right thing. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
I have never really, particularly thought about mercury in fish | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and yet everybody seems to be writing about it. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
-Have you ever thought about it? -No, not really. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
I mean, why is it so... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
-..dangerous for you? -I don't know. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
The reports all seem to be saying that some fish contain high levels | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
of mercury which can seriously damage our nervous systems, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
our brains and may even lead to conditions like | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
motor neurone disease. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
It's enough to put some people off fish and chip Friday for good. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
I probably would stay away from that if I knew, but I didn't know that. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
I think you have to eat an awful lot to have any sort of mercury poisoning. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
If you stop eating stuff for every scare, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
you'd end up eating nothing, I think. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Faced with health messages about how good fish can be, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
and the scare stories about how dangerous mercury is, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
it can be very hard to know what to do for the best. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
So with the help of nutritionist Yvonne Bishop-Weston, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
I want to sort out the fish we should be taking seriously | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
from the ones we should be avoiding. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
All these headlines about mercury, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
is there mercury, to a degree, in all fish? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
There is, and mercury matters. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
I have to be honest and say the only time I've ever seen mercury is in a | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
thermometer, so what does it do to us? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Mercury is mostly associated with problems in the brain, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
and the nervous system and in the kidneys. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
It tends to get stored in the brain so it's due to things like memory | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and cognition and fine motor movement. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
It's anything to do with the nervous system. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Mercury occurs naturally all over the planet but the main source of | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
mercury in fish is from industrial waste that's pumped into rivers and | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
seas, where bacteria turns it into what is known as methylmercury, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
which is much more toxic. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
And it's this that could eventually end up on our dinner plates. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
But as Yvonne explains, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
the amount of mercury depends on the type of fish. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Fish absorb it as methylmercury and then they accumulate it up the food | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
chain, so the biggest risk is going to be | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
the bigger they are, the older they are. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
For instance if we're looking at the halibut here, it's a really big fish | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
-and halibut can live to about 150 years. -Wow. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
So, the age and the size of the fish is key. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Larger, older ones will have absorbed more mercury over their lives. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
The smaller, younger fish will have less. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
So if we start with things like the anchovies and sardines. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
You know, people often forget that sardines are a really healthy fish. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
They are low in mercury levels, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
lower levels of other toxins as well. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Then we start to get to things like the herring, the Atlantic mackerel. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
Up until about the size of a salmon | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
we're feeling pretty safe on mercury levels. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
-So that would be low risk in your eyes? -Yes. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Small equals safe. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Yvonne says if they are low down the food chain, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
you can eat them as often as you like. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
The same can be said of salmon, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
squid and most white fish, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
the sort you get down the fish and chip shop or inside fish fingers. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
But be a bit more careful with the three fish on the high risk list, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
swordfish, shark and marlin. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
They're big, they live long lives and they absorb a lot of mercury. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
So they are only safe to eat once a week. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Almost everything else, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
including that halibut and firm favourites like tuna, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
fall into the medium risk list. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
For most adults, these are safe to eat multiple times every week. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
But if all this makes you wary about eating any fish at all, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
then in many cases, you'll be missing out | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
on the very thing that makes it so good for you, omega-3. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
We can't make omega-3 fatty acid ourselves | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
so we have to get it from fish, from plants, from nuts, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
from seeds, from algae. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
There's all sorts of places that will provide us with omega-3 | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
and we have to get it to be well. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Let's say you were going to do your fish shopping for the week. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
-So, what would you buy? -If I wanted to minimise my mercury, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
and if I wanted to get my omega-3 fatty acids, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
then I would be looking at anchovy, I'd be looking at spratts | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
or little herring, mackerel. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
You have no salmon in your shopping at all, whereas I would. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Yes, salmon would come in there because of the omega-3 fatty acids | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
so yes, you're right, you could put salmon into that group. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
There is one fish that confuses matters, tuna. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
When it's fresh, it's packed with omega-3 | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
but its mercury levels are some of the highest | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
on the acceptable list. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
Canned tuna tends to be younger so has less mercury | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
but the canning process itself removes the omega-3. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Tuna is something that we need to be wary of. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
You've got to weigh up the benefits of the omega-3 | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
with the dangers of the mercury, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
and it depends on how much of it you're having as a whole. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
So if you're having lots of middle ground fish like sea bass and skate, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
and then you're adding tuna on top, that's going to accumulate. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
But if you're having it on its own, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
fresh tuna is safe to eat up to four times a week. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Stephen and I mostly eat the fish that Yvonne says is either safe or | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
medium risk, but the idea of mercury accumulating in our bodies | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
is a worrying one. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
To find out if the fish we eat is posing a risk to our health, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
Yvonne is running some tests and they will show exactly | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
how high our levels of mercury are. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
In the meantime, here's a group of people who should know more about | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
mercury than many of us. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
Pregnant women are told to limit their fish intake to avoid mercury | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
so Yvonne and I are unearthing how much these recently pregnant mums | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
know about the subject. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
So, what do you know about mercury in fish? | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
-They tell you not to have too much oily fish... -Yes. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
..but having white fish because there is less mercury in white fish. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
We have white fish mainly. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Prawns, things like that. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
He has fish but we don't do too much of it. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
He likes sardines so it's great that he likes fish, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
although I'm not really sure if it's great | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
if you're talking to me about mercury. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Do you know how much mercury might be in fish? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Well, it's to do with the size of the fish so the bigger the fish, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
the less mercury, I think. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
-The bigger the fish, the less mercury? -Yes. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Oh, dear, that's the wrong way round. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
It's time for Yvonne to give the mums a bit of a masterclass. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Which ones do you think would be the safest from a mercury point of view, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
to give yourself or your children? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
That one? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
I think it's the white fish. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-Like fish and chips? -Yeah. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
What about the salmon? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
-That would.... -I would put that quite high. -Yeah, high in mercuries. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
And that one, tuna, high as well. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
The government gives recommendations for us as adults. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
We're told that we should eat, at minimum, two portions of fish | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
a week, one of which, as a minimum, should be oily. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
And we're told we can have the fish that have the highest levels | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
of mercury, which is the shark, swordfish and the marlin, once a week, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
and that's within what the government considers to be safe. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
The official advice for pregnant and breast-feeding women is to avoid | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
shark, swordfish or marlin altogether, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
and limit portions of oily fish to a maximum of two per week. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
All the mums knew that mercury poses a danger | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
but they were confused about which fish are safe to eat | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
and which are not. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
That's the problem with reports like this one. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
The headlines make it look as if all fish is bad for you. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
Professor John Stein has been studying the effects fish | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
has on development for over 40 years. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
And he thinks warnings about the risks of eating too much | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
only tell one side of the story. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
John, suddenly there seems to be a lot of scaremongering | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
about the amount of mercury in our fish in this country. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
Are we absorbing enough mercury in fish to worry about it? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
No, not at all, I don't think, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
because the safe level is what's called | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
one part per million. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
The average fish that we eat here has 100 times less than that | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
and salmon, the sort that we eat in this country, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
has something like a hundredth of the amount that is regarded | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
as the amount that might be dangerous. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
So, most of the fish we eat in the UK is perfectly safe, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
but even in countries where they eat fish with higher mercury levels, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
there have been some really surprising findings. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
There's a study from Norway, where they eat a lot of fish, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
where they have shown that actually, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
the more mercury there is in their blood, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
the better their children do. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
And that's not because mercury is helpful at all, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
but because mercury comes from fish which also provide omega-3s | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
which are vital for your brain. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Just like a car engine is oiled by oil, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
omega-3s oil your brain, and it speeds up reactions | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
and helps the brain to work properly. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
But while omega-3s positive effects on the brain | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
seem hard to argue with, anyone faced with these stories | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
about mercury's negative effects could still be left confused. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Eating fish and seafood riddled with mercury | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
raises the risk of motor neurone disease. True or false? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
It's true but it's a tiny effect. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
This particular study showed that you increased your risk by 20% | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
-in a pretty rare disease. -That's high, though, isn't it? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
No, it's not. Motor neurone disease occurs in about one in 10,000 people | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
so this is raising it from one in 10,000 to 1.2. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
But there's a lot of evidence that omega-3s | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
actually help people with motor neurone disease. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
John says that anyone who avoids fish because they're scared | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
about mercury is doing so unnecessarily | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and missing out on vital omega-3. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
I get the impression that you're not worried about mercury at all? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I'm not at all, no, because I think the levels are so low | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
and yet the importance of eating enough omega-3s, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
consuming enough omega-3s is so large, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
that it far outweighs the minimal risks from the mercury. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
Despite that, there's no escaping the mercury content, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
especially from high-risk fish like swordfish and marlin. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
So where do my husband Stephen and I stand | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
after eating years of eating fish? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Well, Yvonne has got the results of our tests. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
So, all I know, Yvonne, is that you were doing some form | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
of hair analysis to do with mercury. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
So what does that hair analysis show? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Well, you didn't do too badly because if we look | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
at your test results, we shouldn't have more than one part per million | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
and you were 0.8, so you came below what is considered to be | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
-a potentially toxic level. -So, that's good? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
-That's good, yes, absolutely. -Well done, me, then. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
-And Stephen? -He came above. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Stephen actually eats more fish proportionately than I do. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
And we can see that. His came above that threshold so his mercury level | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
was just a little bit higher than we would want in a perfect world. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Now, there's no easy way to remove mercury from your body | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
but over time, it does disappear. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
While Stephen is not in any danger, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
if he sticks to fish that have very low levels of mercury, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
his reading will drop. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
So, any advice then to pass on to Stephen? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
I would talk to him about what are the high mercury fish? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
How often he should be having the higher ones as opposed to the lower | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
mercury fish, maybe sort of suggest he works a little bit lower down the | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
food chain, going more for your sardines and your herring. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Well, I have a lot to tell him tonight over dinner | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
so thank you very much, Yvonne. Great advice, thank you. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
And I did tell him. Even though Stephen isn't at risk, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
certain fish will be off the menu for him for a while, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
just to get those mercury levels down to below the ideal level. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
It's a huge relief, though, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
to hear that our favourite fish is still overwhelmingly good for us and | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Stephen and I are delighted that we can still enjoy a nice bit of salmon | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
with a glass of wine on the side. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
If you'd like ideas for recipes including oily fish that are rich in | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
omega-3, you can visit... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
..where you'll also find details of some of the other things | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
that we're talking about in this series. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
Now, sometimes an eye-catching report might make you feel | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
just that bit nervous about eating too much of a particular food | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
or following a special diet. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
But when it's a story that focuses on the way you and your family | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
eat every single day, well, to me, that can be very worrying indeed. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
And that's very much the case for the topic we're talking about next, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
veganism, which, to those who follow it, I think anyway, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
is a bit of a religion or certainly a way of life. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
But oh, boy, can it polarise opinion! | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
It absolutely can. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
It's an incredibly divisive subject and I have to say | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
there's no shortage of mixed messages about veganism. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
Some say that if you get it right, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
it can be one of the healthiest choices you can make | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
but others go to the opposite extreme and say that meat and dairy | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
contain so many vital nutrients, it's easy for veganism | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
to actually become an unhealthy way of life. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
So I went to find out if it's really possible that a diet based on fruit | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
and veg can be bad for you and your family. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Before I got a job on the telly, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
I spent more than a decade working with fruit and veg every day. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
I love the stuff, and at home there is one very good reason | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
we get through tonnes of it. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
My wife's a vegetarian so that means a lot of the meals | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
we eat at home are veggie. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
In fact, I can go days without eating any sort of meat at all. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
But I couldn't go veggie full time and I certainly couldn't go vegan. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
It means cutting out everything that has come from an animal, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
so no meat, fish or dairy, or indeed some surprising foods | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
that often contain animal products too like jelly, sweets, cakes | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
and certain types of bread, honey and even some wines. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
It's a big commitment and it's a choice that's being made | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
by more people now than ever before. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
I feel really empowered by making that choice | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
because before I was just eating whatever. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Now I'm like, I need to eat this much to get this much magnesium | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
and this much iron, and if I eat chickpeas and beans, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
-I'm getting all the protein I need. -Sounds exhausting! | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
I actually find it really empowering. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
While some reports say it's supremely healthy, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
others say it's downright dangerous. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
I have never recommended any of my patients follow a vegan diet. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
It would be very hard for me on a day-to-day basis to make sure I was | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
meeting all my nutritional requirements. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
Very difficult, very challenging to be fully nutritionally adequate | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
on a vegan diet. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
And the debate gets really heated when it comes to children, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
with some reports suggesting parents are irresponsibly gambling | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
with their family's health. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Why, you look delicious. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
I think I shall have to eat you! | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
Holly Driver and her boyfriend, Ben, have been vegan for eight months. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
Did it bite you? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Four months ago, Holly decided to put kids on a vegan diet, too. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Well, we went vegan initially for the ethical side, for the animals, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
and every good thing that you can get from animal products, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
you can get elsewhere. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
I felt it was the right thing to do. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
Like many kids their age, two-year-old Morgan | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
and four-year-old Jay used to get through lots of things like milk, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
chicken and a toddler favourite, ham and cheese sandwiches, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
but of course, now that's all changed. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
-So your children are four and two, aren't they? -Yes. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Are you worried about your children getting enough nutrients | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-and vitamins from the food they're eating? -I have been initially. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
I think the first thing is having to learn what it is | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
that they are missing, what was good about meat and dairy, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
and it's calories. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
They need a lot of physical energy. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
I do have concerns sometimes that perhaps the amount they eat | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
just isn't enough. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
And also calcium and protein. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
I try my best but it is a bit of a concern sometimes. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
And it's easy to see why Holly often struggles. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Take for example a typical kids' favourite, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
fish fingers with mash and two veg, a glass of milk and a yoghurt. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
A vegan equivalent will have less protein and calcium, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
which can easily be replaced by adding enriched soya milk. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
But Holly's most concerned that Morgan and Jay | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
are missing out on energy. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
This vegan meal has a third fewer calories than the fish finger meal. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Replacing those could mean as much as a whole extra veggie burger. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
That's a lot for a four-year-old. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
As any parent knows, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
getting children to eat what they're told isn't always easy. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
When they're so young, they can be quite picky | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
and, for example, my son will not eat beans if he knows there's beans. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
If they've been blended up, he'll eat them. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Holly's seen the reports that criticise parents | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
who choose to bring their kids up vegan, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
and she's desperate to make sure Morgan and Jay | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
aren't missing out nutritionally. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
There's some things they're happy to eat, sort of, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
if bribed with a treat. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
You know, you'll get your biscuit if you eat your broccoli and that sort of thing. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
But that's not a long-term solution so Holly wants to find out what she | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
needs to do to make sure the kids are getting all they need. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
She'll be keeping a video diary of the family meals and we'll meet up | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
in a week to put it under some expert scrutiny. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
This is what I've made for dinner on Wednesday, a salad. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
And there's some couscous with hummus mixed in. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
So, yeah, hopefully this will go OK. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
They've had rice before and they usually don't make a fuss about it. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
While Holly is determined to find a way to make sure her family is healthy, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
some of the reports about the potential side effects | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
of going vegan are enough to make many people think again. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
They're warnings that dietitian Alison Clark is familiar with. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
Some have a little bit of truth in them, in the fact that you can | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
become deficient in certain nutrients if you don't plan | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
your diet well. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
And you need to pay particular attention to the calcium, omega-3, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
fatty acids, iodine, selenium and B12. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
They're all nutrients that non-vegans easily get | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
from animal products, and being deficient in them | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
can have serious consequences, ranging from slowed mental health | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
and physical development in children, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
to osteoporosis and neurological problems in adults. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
But with the right foods, and in some cases the right supplements, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
a vegan diet can be extremely healthy. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
We know that people following a good, healthy, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
well-balanced vegan diet will have more fruit and veg in their diet, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
will have more whole grains, so generally more fibre | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
and this leads on to actually reducing health risks | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
cardiovascular disease, strokes as well. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
They're just some of the reasons that Holly decided | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
to make the whole family go vegan. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
But back in Southampton, it's proving easier said than done. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
So, Morgan is tucking into her mac and cheese-style dinner | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
and Jay is currently in a time out | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
because he had such a big strop about it and is refusing to eat it. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
This is the kind of thing that when I was a meat eater, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I probably would have just said, never mind, have a slice of ham | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and some cheese or something. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
So, I'm at a bit of a loss when he just refuses to eat dinner. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
When Morgan or Jay refuse to eat, it just adds to Holly's concerns | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
that they're not getting the right nutrients. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
So she and I are on our way to meet dietitian Priya Tew, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
who's been scrutinising Holly's food diaries | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
to see how much she's getting right. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So what does Holly and her family need to be doing to make sure | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
they're getting all their vitamins and nutrients? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
It looks like you've been doing really well. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
There's some lovely variety in there and I can see that you've been | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
spending some time planning out some of those meals. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
While Priya is not overly concerned the kids are missing out, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
there are some holes in the family's diet. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Although you did have a range of protein, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
you were kind of reliant on the same ones perhaps for the children. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
I wondered about whether you could try some different protein sources | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
with them, so whether they might like tofu or tempeh. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
Nuts can be a really great addition. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
You don't have to have them whole, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
so you could try sliced almonds for example. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
That would also help with another of Holly's big concerns, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
that Morgan and Jay aren't getting enough calories. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
I find it hard to work out how to get those extra calories in. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Seeds are also good, so you can sprinkle seeds into a flapjack | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
for example, putting them onto cereals, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
if you were to add some dried fruit. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-But it's just making a little bit more out of what you're having. -Yeah. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
Priya says Holly has the building blocks of a healthy diet in place | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
but there is one essential nutrient every vegan | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
needs to pay attention to, vitamin B12. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
And it's behind one of the most alarming stories about the risks | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
of following a vegan diet. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
If you're on a vegan diet, then you're going to end up quite likely | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
to be deficient in vitamin B12. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
So a large-scale study that was done found that up to 50% of vegans and | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
vegetarians had an increased risk of depression. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
So not having enough vitamin B12 can have a detrimental effect | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
-on your mood potentially? -It could do, yes. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
But Priya says there's an easy fix as dairy alternatives | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
fortified with vitamins and minerals are a great way | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
to boost your level of B12. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
I must admit, I've never been a fan of dairy substitutes | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
but Priya has laid on a taste test of some of the most popular options. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Here we have some... | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
..coconut milk, almond milk and we've got oat milk. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Let's try it then. Come on then. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Coconut is very flavoursome, isn't it? | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
On its own, that's actually quite pleasant. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
So now we have got the almond milk. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
It's quite strong. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Oi! | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
That's not for me. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
-What's the last one? -Oat milk. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Yeah, it's quite sweet. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
The oat milk is a lot nicer. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
It's got a real sweetness, a natural sort of creaminess to it. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
The great thing about these milks is they're fortified, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
so they've got vitamin D in, we've got calcium, we've got B12 in there | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
so they're providing you with those nutrients | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
that you might otherwise be missing out on. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
The importance to research it and make sure | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
you're replacing like-for-like is even more important, isn't it? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
It can be harder on a vegan diet to get all of the nutrition | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
that you need but there's no reason you can't do it. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
It's just the planning and the thinking it through. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
As well as tips for increasing protein, healthy fats and B12, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
Holly is also leaving armed with advice for how to ensure the kids | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
eat more calcium and iron, and she's keen to get started. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
So after meeting with Priya, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
I think she had a lot of really useful things to say | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
and she gave me a lot of advice like, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
ground almonds and sesame seeds were two things | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
that I'm definitely going to get hold of. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
Holly is optimistic she's now armed with tips to help ensure Morgan | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and Jay get everything they need. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
But some reports suggest that not all vegan parents | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
are in such a good position, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
and that vegan diets can leave children malnourished | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and with irreversible health problems. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
Nicole Rothband is a specialist paediatric dietitian. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
-Come through. -Thank you. -If you want to take a seat here. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
It can hamper a child's growth and they may not actually achieve | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
their full growth potential. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
It can also slow down and affect their intellectual development | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
and that can obviously have impacts long-term on their life chances. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
Nichole sees patients who have a whole host of nutritional issues | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
and vegans make up just a tiny proportion of them. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Sometimes children on a vegan diet will be referred to us | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
because their growth is faltering. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
We can do an assessment of the diet and then advise parents | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
on how to make sure that those elements, those nutrients | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
that are missing are supplemented or added into the diet. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
But while Nicole does see children who are being brought up vegan, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
she says she sees the very same problems with other children too. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
We have to be very careful that we don't tar every vegan with the same | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
brush and decide that veganism is going to, inevitably, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
lead to malnutrition because that's not the case at all. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
Most parents that choose to do it, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
do it really responsibly because it's a lifestyle choice that they're | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
making, and normally they are very aware of the nutrition deficiencies | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
that might be a consequence of following a vegan diet. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
So with the right guidance, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Nicole is confident a vegan diet won't leave children malnourished. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
But back in Southampton, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
putting Priya's advice into action isn't going too smoothly for Holly. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
For lunch they had the usual, like, peanut butter sandwich. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
There was a bit of a failure there because they wouldn't eat | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
their banana with it, but they did eat an apple later. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
When Priya took a look at Holly's food diaries, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
she could see Holly was relying on many of the same meals. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
So to help her vary Morgan and Jay's diet, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
she's come to meet fellow vegan mum and food writer, Lizzie Tighe, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
who first started cooking vegan food four years ago. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Hi, come in. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
As well as practical tips, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
Lizzie's going to show Holly some of the ways she gets her kids to eat | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
nutrient rich vegan foods, starting with a snack rich in protein, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
calcium and good fats. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
So what actually is in this? | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
One avocado and then some oats, we've got some hemp seeds here, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
and you've got sesame seeds which are really good | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
for calcium and protein. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
I do think these will be really good for the kids actually | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
because they do love joining in in the kitchen. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
And Lizzie has another trick up her sleeve for sneaking extra nutrition | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
into her kids' diets. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Smoothies. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
So in here we have got frozen banana, pumpkin seed butter, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
a little bit of maple syrup, organic cacao powder, cashew butter, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
hemp seeds and a little bit of almond milk. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
So we're going to whizz this up. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Yeah, that's really nice. It's really cold and really banana-y, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
-and I think the kids will really like that because they already love bananas. -Yeah. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
So it's kind of like a special chocolate sundae-type treat. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
In no time, Holly was whizzing up Lizzie's recipes at home. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
I've just made this as like a post-lunch snack. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
The kids helped me make it and I'm going to put | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
some walnuts on the top. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
And a month later, I'm giving her a call to see how things are going. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
-Hello, Holly, how are you? -Hi, I'm doing really well, thanks. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Excellent. And how's the vegan diet going? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
-How have the kids been getting on? -Yeah, we're doing really well now. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
I'm feeling really confident that the calories are being met, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
they're getting all their fats. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
They have a lot of energy and they sleep well so I think, yeah, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
they must be feeling good in themselves. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
As a result, I'm eating a bigger variety of things as well. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Proof then that with the right planning and determination, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
there's nothing a vegan diet has to miss out, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
which is great news for these two. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Did you like that? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Yeah? Looks like you did. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Was it yummy? Yeah? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
Did you like yours, Jay? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Still to come - | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
We're a nation of Cheddar lovers but is it possible | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
we're addicted to cheese? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
The brain's response to food, alcohol and cigarettes | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
involves the same areas of the brain. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
All week we're tackling some of the trendiest food fads head-on | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
to find out if the health claims that make these things so popular | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
really stack up. So what have you got for me today then, Gloria? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Oh, let me think. I'm going to give you some clues, is that OK? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
Once they were known as alligator pears. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
Then their colour inspired many a '70s bathroom suite. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
I think I might have had one of those myself. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Last autumn, one supermarket started selling stoneless versions to cut | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
down the number of people injuring their hands when they were trying to | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
-eat them. So, got any answers? -No, I think I'm at a loss. What is it? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
It is the avocado, and it's now so popular that you can find entire | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
restaurants devoted to serving only these. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
But are their much-celebrated benefits for real | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
or is the avocado craze just a fashionable fleeting fad? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
Once the favourite of '80s dinner party menus, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
avocados have exploded in popularity and become the go-to food | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
for the health-conscious. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
It's really good, it's fresh, it's healthy. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
They're pretty healthy, they make you feel good when you eat them. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
I don't know whether it's the colour, the texture, the taste | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
but it just gives me the impression that when I'm eating it, I'm doing a healthy thing. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
I like making guacamole. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
I try making some into salads, yeah. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
But they're a huge thing at the moment, aren't they? | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Everyone's going crazy for them. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
The avocado craze shows no sign of stopping. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Sales have increased nearly 200% in the last five years | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and if you believe the hype, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
there's no end to the knobbly fruit's superpowers, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
and for the most part, dietitian Linia Patel says | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
this is a fad we can believe in. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
Avocados contain monounsaturated fats, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
which is basically a good type of fat, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
that has been linked to helping prevent heart disease. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Avocados also claim to be very high in antioxidants such as vitamin E. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
Vitamin E has a role in your immune system but it also has a role in | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
helping prevent diseases such as diabetes and Alzheimer's disease. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
With credentials like that, there's no wonder avocados are so popular | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
but it turns out there can be too much of a good thing. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Because all those healthy fats come alongside a serving | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
of more than 300 calories. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
So do these shoppers know what the recommended portion size is? | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
For a day, avocado, say half an avocado? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
They're quite fattening, aren't they? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Yeah, lots of calories. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Whilst avocados are full of lots of good nutrients, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
what we've got to remember is they also contain a lot of fat. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
So this avocado for example, a whole avocado, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
contains about 22 grams of fat. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
Now that's a lot, so what's important to remember | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
is you've got to get the portion size right. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
And the recommended amount is half an avocado per day. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Really? | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
I don't eat it every day so perhaps that's a good thing. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Ah, but before you say, but it's good fat, isn't it, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
too much of any fat can lead to weight gain | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
so it's very important to get your nutrients from a variety | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
of foods that don't always come with as much fat. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
The vitamins and minerals that you get in avocado, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
you can get in other foods. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
So for example, the potassium you find in avocado | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
can also be found in a banana. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
The key is that you get a varied diet | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
rather than what we're doing now with this fad, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
having an avocado a day, or two, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
because we think it's the right thing to do. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
It might not quite be a super food, but within reason there's no need | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
to avoid the avocado, however you prefer it. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
I like them in a guacamole with a tequila! | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Whatever your favourite type and however you like it, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
I bet many of us think the most dangerous thing about cheese | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
can be the way the strongest ones smell. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
But some reports claim that this kitchen staple has a dark side, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
that it could increase your risk of heart attacks or cancer | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
and might even be as addictive as some hard drugs. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
But don't panic yet because, as usual, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
for every scare story saying cheese is extremely bad for us, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
there's another report saying just the opposite. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
So we asked Danny Crates to find out which we should really believe. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
To say this lot love cheese would be an understatement. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Where shall I sit? I'll sit here where I normally sit. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
The Colchester Cheese Appreciation Society meet once a month | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
to pay homage to the fromage. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
And over the years, they've tasted and tested | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
over 500 different varieties. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Four yummy cheeses that have been sitting there breathing for, oh, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
about two hours now so they should be nice and ripe. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
So come and fill your boots. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
The wine this evening is a Rio Rica Malbec. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Cheers, everybody. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
Cheers! | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
So as a self-professed cheese lover, what is your favourite cheese? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
-Stilton. -Probably a Jarlsberg. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Soft, runny, pungent, brie-style. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
The more it's running off the plate, the happier I am. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
They might eat more than their fair share but we are definitely a nation | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
of cheese lovers. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
In the UK, we spend almost £3 billion on the stuff each year, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
eating around ten kilos per person. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
And although our favourite by some distance is the humble cheddar, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
we make around 700 different varieties here in the UK, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
perhaps spurred on by claims that cheese has all manner of superpowers. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
Some say it can help you live longer. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Others, that it's the key to a healthy heart. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
Is it even better if it tastes good and it can do you good at the same | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
-time? -We love it. -Yes, that would be great news, wouldn't it, really? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
We already know it's a good source of calcium. If it proved to be a super food as well, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
that would be absolutely superb. I could eat even more often than I do now. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
But the news isn't all great | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
because some reports paint a much more dangerous picture, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
even linking cheese to cancer. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
What does that make you think about cheese? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
WOMAN CHUCKLES | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
Don't know whether I believe it or not, though. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
No, but... I'd want to read the research. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
Without seeing research and there being lots of it, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
-would it affect your cheese eating habits? -Probably not in the short-term. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
No, probably not in the short-term, so I'll have it back! | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
I eat what I like, to be honest, and I like cheese. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
So loving cheese as much as you do, if those headlines were proven true, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
how hard would it be for you to cut cheese out of your diet? | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
If they were proven 100% true, I think it would be a no-brainer, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
but it would be difficult, yeah. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
They're just two headlines from a huge selection of stories | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
that are enough to leave the best of us baffled. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
So is cheese a super food, as some say, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
or could it cause cancer as other reports claim? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
I'm meeting up with dietitian Monika Siemicka | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
to see which, if any, of those stories stack up. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
First up, those scary claims linking the nation's favourite | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
with breast cancer. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
This is the one we know and love best | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
but there's concerns about cheddar. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Yeah, a recent study did say that cheddar cheese has been linked to | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
breast cancer, but the study that we're talking about | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
is a little bit flawed. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
It was actually conducted in the United States | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
and what they did was ask participants to recall | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
what they'd eaten over the past year. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
And it's difficult to draw a conclusion because | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
there are lots of things that the study didn't look at | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
like alcohol intake or how much exercise the participants were doing. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
You need to look at it in the context as a whole | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
in terms of lifestyle. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
As ever, more research is needed to conclusively prove | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
any link between cheese and cancer. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
So if it's not as simple as some of those reports make out, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
what about the ones that any cheese lover would read with glee? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
There is a headline that cheese could be a super food. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Please, please, tell me it's true. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
There are scientists in South Korea that fed roundworm some Swiss cheese | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
and what they found is that they actually live longer. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
So they think that's all down to a probiotic which is really good | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
at balancing out the gut bacteria | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
and that can boost your immune system, so you're better off at | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
fighting infections. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
But it's still very early in the research so there's a lot more | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
that needs to be done before we can be sure about the health benefits. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Not only is the research in its infancy, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
the scientists behind it only found the probiotic, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
which the headlines claim make cheese a super food, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
in a few cheeses. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
With hundreds of varieties on sale in the UK, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
it's impossible to say they're all good or bad. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
Not all cheeses are equal. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
So we have a huge array of cheeses in front of us | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
but is there a healthier end of the spectrum? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Some are going to be slightly higher in salts like halloumi. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Some will be naturally lower in fat like cottage cheese, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
and then the processed cheeses, so the ones that have had extra | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
salt and fat added, are probably not the best ones to go for. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
The ingredients in cheese are simple - milk, salt and rennet, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
or an acid-like vinegar or lemon juice. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
The type of milk and the amount used changes the fat content, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
and with some cheeses requiring up to ten litres of milk to make just one kilo of cheese, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
the high level of fat means that whatever cheese you choose, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
the key is not to have too much. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
What people don't realise is that when you're eating cheese, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
a portion is actually 30 grams, which is a matchbox size. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
-I call that a mouthful. -That is kind of a mouthful, yes. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
30 grams a day really isn't very much. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
It's less than it takes to make one slice of cheese on toast. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
It might not go very far on top of a jacket potato, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
and it's less than half a portion of macaroni cheese. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
But the good news is, you can save up your allowance. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
If you fancy a cheese covered pizza, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
you'd need to have four days with no cheese to make up for it. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
But that might send the most ardent cheese lovers into cold sweats | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
according to these reports, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
which say cheese could be as addictive as hard drugs. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
To find out if they've got it right, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
I've come to meet Dr Tony Goldstone | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
who's a specialist in the science of addiction. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
-Hi, Dr... -Lovely to meet you. Come on through. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
He's studied the brain scans of over 1,000 subjects. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
The brain's response to food, alcohol and cigarettes | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
involves the same areas of the brain. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
When you eat foods that you individually like, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
you tend to release more dopamine in the brain. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Now that happens if you take many drugs as well. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
But even though food causes your brain to release the same chemicals | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
as something that is addictive, that doesn't mean that food is. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
The amount of dopamine that's released with these drugs | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
is very much greater. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
It is ten to a hundred times greater than it would be with the food. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Dr Goldstone says it's not addiction but a different reason entirely | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
that we often crave some foods. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
We've evolved to like foods that are high in fat, like cheese. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
Those foods give us energy that we need to maintain a life | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
and reproduce and be resistant against disease. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
In your opinion, could there be any scientific evidence that there is | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
something in cheese that could be addictive? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
I'm not aware of any studies in humans that have in any way | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
directly proven that that is a true statement. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
So, while the cheese lovers back in Colchester might crave their monthly | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
tastings, they're not hooked. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Cheers, everybody! | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
Cheers! | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
You know, as someone who loves their cheese and eats a fair bit of the stuff, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
I was quite surprised to find out that a portion size | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
should be no bigger than a matchbox. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
I think I eat more than that every time I eat cheese. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
I must say I was very surprised at that. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
You must have been relieved to find out that all the fish you've been | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
eating haven't left you with high levels of mercury in your blood? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
I thought that study of mercury and fish, it's a really topical story | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
and very interesting, but I wasn't at all surprised that Stephen | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
had far more mercury than me in his body because all the time | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
he would eat more fish than I would in restaurants or even at home. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
But I think what I took away from that film more than anything else | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
was just how much the benefits of the omega-3, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
particularly in oily fish, outweigh the risks of mercury | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
and unless you're pregnant, there's really nothing to worry about | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
with the vast majority of the fish we eat here in the UK. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
On that note, we've just about run out of time for today. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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So, until the next time, thank you very much indeed for your company | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
and we hope we've given you some food for thought! | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
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