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We asked you who's left you feeling ripped off when it comes to | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
your holidays, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
We said, "No! We're going to stick with this | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
"and try to get something done about it." | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
When you're on holiday, you don't want to fight with people. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
You just want to enjoy it. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
-Your stories. -Your money. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
This is Rip Off Britain. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
Hello, and thank you very much for joining us once again | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
on Rip Off Britain, where this week, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
we're investigating one of the biggest single expenses | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
that most of us will ever shell out on in any particular year, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
and that, of course, is for sun, sea and sand - | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
in other words, our holidays. And we've got it. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Because we've based ourselves on the beautiful island of Gran Canaria | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
to do just that. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
Yes, when you've budgeted carefully for a trip away, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
the last thing you're going to want | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
is to suddenly find yourself hit with extra charges | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
or higher costs than you'd expected. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
But that's at the heart of most of the stories | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
we'll be looking into today. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
And unfortunately, in pretty much every case, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
there wasn't really any way to avoid paying up. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
No, and there's a possibility, of course, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
that exactly that could happen to you. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
So, throughout the programme today, we've got lots of tips | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
to ensure that if it does, you will know what you are paying | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
and exactly what you're getting for your money | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
before you hand over one penny of your hard-earned cash. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Coming up, the unexpected extra costs of taking a cruise - | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
why these holiday-makers feel all at sea thanks to charges | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
they don't think are always clear. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Well, I was quite surprised talking to some of the people | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
who cruise regularly as to how many potential extras | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and hidden extras there can be. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
And if you thought calling home from abroad on a mobile was expensive, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
wait till you hear how much five minutes from a phone box can cost. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
The amount charged was quite unexpected to me. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
I was just amazed that they felt they could charge so much. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
At one time, a holiday on the high seas was very much | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
the preserve of the well-heeled in society. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
Going on a cruise was so expensive | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
that it was something that most of us could really only dream about. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
But nowadays, well, cruising is in the mainstream, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and more and more of us are choosing every year | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
to have a holiday on the ocean. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Devotees tell us they go back time after time. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
And the young couple that we're about to meet, well, for them, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
going on a cruise was their favourite kind of holiday. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
They even got married on one. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
But not anymore. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
They've now turned their back on cruising, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
and that's because of one very big cost that makes them feel | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
that their young family is decidedly unwelcome. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
There are many who'd say that taking a holiday on the high seas | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
is the only way to travel. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
It still has an air of luxury as well as dozens of activities | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
aimed at keeping the whole family entertained | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
whilst destinations such as the Caribbean or the Med pass gently by. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Teacher Caroline Harris fell hook, line and sinker for cruise ships | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
when she was a teenager. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
And in the years since, she's has been on over 20 cruises. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
I just remember driving across the freeway, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
and the scale of these ships is just unbelievable. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Once we got on board, it was incredible - | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
the facilities, the sense of luxury. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I was able to go to the sporting events, do the rock climbing wall, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
go ice skating, go to the theatre, see the entertainment. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
In fact, so wedded to cruises is Caroline that she even married | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
husband Robin on one of them, and not just any one. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
The Allure of the Seas is one of the ships belonging to the second | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
biggest cruise company in the world - Royal Caribbean. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
And with 2,700 cabins, it's the largest cruise ship afloat. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
It was lovely because my husband's family | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
had never been cruising before, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:07 | |
so it was something we could share with them | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
and they could enjoy with us. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
After such a special experience, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
when she found out she was pregnant last year, there was only one | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
place where Caroline could imagine spending their first family holiday! | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
Our first port of call for looking | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
and researching a family holiday was, of course, Royal Caribbean. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
We were pretty confident that they would be able to provide | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
in terms of price and activities. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
So, months before the baby was due, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Caroline excitedly looked at booking her first Royal Caribbean cruise | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
for a family of three. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
But her plans were sunk when she was quoted the price | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
and she realised that the cost of taking her new baby would be | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
the same as paying for a third adult! | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
What we discovered was that Royal Caribbean charge a third | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
or fourth person rate in the cabins as opposed to | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
an infant or toddler rate. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Doesn't matter whether you are zero or whether you are 60, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
the price is the same. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Now the £753 Caroline was quoted for taking an extra person | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
included a reduction on Royal Caribbean's full fare of £1,178. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:22 | |
But this reduction is the same for a third or fourth person | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
regardless of the additional person's age. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
And it's that fact which annoyed Caroline. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Now, she wasn't expecting to take her baby for free. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
But she had thought that the reduction she'd get for taking | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
a third person on board might be greater for a baby | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
than it is for an adult. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
After all, her baby would not be able to take advantage of even | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
a fraction of all the activities that the fare included, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
such as unlimited entertainment and a sports facilities. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Obviously, they can't go and see the shows, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
they can't take part in any of the activities, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
so you would expect that a baby would have a minimal fee | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
in terms of doing that. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
On top of that, at the time they hoped to travel, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Caroline's baby would barely even have tasted solid food, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
so the all-you-can-eat restaurants seemed irrelevant | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
to this particular passenger. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
I've also phoned Royal Caribbean and asked do they provide baby food | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
in terms of liquidising food from the dining room. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
Due to health and safety, I've been told that that can't happen. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
We then slowly discovered that our baby was going to cost us | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
probably even more than ourselves to go on-board. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
But Royal Caribbean is by no means alone | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
in having this kind of policy for infants. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
We asked the rest of the world's top-ten cruise companies what | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
they would charge in a situation like Caroline's. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Of the nine that answered, another five would do | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
the same as Royal Caribbean and charge the same, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
albeit reduced price, for a third person, regardless of their age. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
One of them, AIDA, does allow children under two | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
to cruise for free | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
and another - Disney - offer special rates for children | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
on some of its cruises. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
But only one company we spoke to - MSC Cruises - lets all children | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
under 18 go absolutely free. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
So how does Royal Caribbean explain its charges? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
Well, the company told us | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
it's sorry Caroline feels let down, and stressed that its ships... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Many of which they say... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
It points out that... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
..as is a "bottle-warming service" | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
which you can get throughout the ship, and even on room service. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
And additional services like nappies are available "at a cost." | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
Royal Caribbean went on to say that "from time to time" | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
it may have "special promotions that offer free child places" | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
and said that it's updated the information on its website to | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
"offer greater clarity" on its prices for infants. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
But despite their initial enthusiasm, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Caroline and Robin have, for now at least, decided against | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
taking the newest member of their family on its first cruise. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
I think that certainly, if my child was three or four, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
I would be happy to bring it on a Royal Caribbean cruise. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
I would expect to pay in the region of what we're paying. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
But a three-year-old child and a six-month-old baby is a very, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
very different thing. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
Well, later in the programme, we'll be looking at some of the other | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
unexpected cruise costs you've been telling us about. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
The excursions themselves are very expensive. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Nobody told us that you could actually opt out | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
of the tipping policy. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Now, mobile phone companies right across Europe have been told | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
to make the price we pay for calls when we're on holiday cheaper | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
and indeed easier to understand, but even so, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
lots of you still tell us you're really worried that you'll come home | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
to big bills that you had no idea you were racking up. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
So, you might be tempted to call home from a payphone instead, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
assuming it's going to work out a lot cheaper. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
But that is most definitely not going to be the case | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
if you find yourself picking up a phone that belongs to one | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
particular company. They've got them in cities, airports, resorts, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
right across the world. But a warning - watch out, you could find | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
a call costs a lot more than you'd ever imagine you'd be asked to pay. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Many of us have learned the hard way | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
that when you're abroad, despite what they say, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
talk isn't always cheap. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
And although the cost of using your mobile phone overseas has | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
come down, calling home can still leave you with a hefty bill. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Research shows that a call from Europe to the UK will usually | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
cost around 18p a minute. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
From the United States, that rises to anything | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
between 89p and £1.50 a minute. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
And calling from Africa or Asia, can cost up to £2 a minute. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
John and Wilma Dewey from Dorset | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
were determined to avoid such high charges | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
when they set off on a walking holiday in Austria last year. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
As their mobile phone wasn't working, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
they'd intended to stay in touch | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
with their son and daughter by e-mail. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
But when one day they needed to call home, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
they headed to the local post office to use the payphone there. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
We decided to use a public phone box. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
The pay phone took coins, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
but there was also the option to use a credit card. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
We had coins with us, but I decided to use the credit card. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
I thought for a five-minute call, it might be something like £5 | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
or a bit more. No more than that. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
The phone box didn't allow them to call home direct. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Instead, the instructions stated they had to call an operator | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
who would place the call for them. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
The operator asked me which number I wanted. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
The line was very poor. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Our daughter-in-law couldn't even hear me | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
and I kept on saying, "It's John and Wilma, it's John and Wilma." | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
And eventually, she could hear, and I asked if everybody is all right. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
It can't have been more than five minutes. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
It wasn't until they returned home that they gave a second thought | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
to the cost of their short phone call back to the UK. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
When I got my credit card bill and looked at it, I noticed that | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I'd been charged £38 for this very short phone call. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:45 | |
The amount charged was quite unexpected to me. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
I thought, "This must be a mistake," so I rang the credit card company. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
All they could tell me about it was that the call had been made | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
through a company called BBG London. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
BBG London is part of an international company called | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
BBG Communication. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
So furious at how much they'd been charged, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
John fired off an angry e-mail. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
I got an e-mail address for their headquarters in San Diego | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
and I e-mailed them complaining about the amount. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
There was no reply, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
but I was rather comforted to find that people who had been | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
charged similar amounts had also complained about the same | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
company, and very often in language that I can't really repeat here. Ha! | 0:12:36 | 0:12:42 | |
According to its website, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
BBG communications runs 350,000 payphones around the world - | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
many situated in airports, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
as well as over two million hotel telephones. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
BBG also manages the credit card payments | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
from many BT phone boxes in the UK. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
But for a company who deal in communications, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
John and Wilma felt they hadn't been especially upfront | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
when it came to making clear the cost of using their service. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
In my opinion, £38 for a five-minute call | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
is completely outrageous. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
I was just amazed that they felt they could charge so much. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
I think it should say quite clearly on the phone box | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
how much it is going to be and one should be able to find out | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
how much a minute is to the country one is ringing. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
To see for ourselves how well BBG's charges are explained, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
at least in the UK, we headed to a payphone at Manchester Airport. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
It was a BT box, but it's BBG who actually process the payments | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
for any calls made by credit card. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
And although the costs of such calls were explained, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
it was only in very small print near the bottom, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
nowhere near as clearly displayed as the much lower costs | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
you'd pay if you were using coins. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
So we asked BT why this was, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
and they told us that while most of their pricing | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
and payment information is in the same size, it's because coins | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
are still the most used method of payment that the details are bigger. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
Three years ago, BBG made headlines around the world | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
when US army troops complained about the cost of ringing home | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
from Europe. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
After being contacted by outraged soldiers, John Mattes, a lawyer from | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
San Diego, took California-based BBG Communications to court | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
after one serviceman was charged 41 for a three-second voicemail call | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
from Germany. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:39 | |
This was a secured area for soldiers being deployed, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
and there were banks of phones for them to make their call home. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
Remember, this is their last call home | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
before they're going into combat. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Soldiers deserve our support and respect, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
they don't deserve to be overcharged for a phone call. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
But when the case came to court, it was thrown out. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
The judge ruled that we had brought the case in the wrong jurisdiction | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
and this company was properly located in Switzerland. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
I respect the judge's ruling, however that didn't put any money | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
back in the pockets of all those servicemen who had paid so much. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
John now works as an investigative journalist | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
and is still trying to highlight the cost of phoning with BBG. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
Consumers are reporting to me that they're still concerned | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
about the charges they're getting and they don't know the prices. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
All they need to do is tell you the price up front. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
When we contacted BBG, the company | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
described what John and Wilma told us as "misleading and incomplete," | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
and said that putting signage | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
highlighting all the various payment types and call destinations | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
within the limited space of any payphone would be... | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
It says instead it plays "voice prompts prior to connecting a call," | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
allowing users to find out the rates before going ahead. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
BBG went on to say that not using this option is... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
But the company regrets that John and Wilma were "not satisfied" | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and that they've had difficulty getting their complaint resolved. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
It says its customer care group will contact them | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
as "a matter of priority." | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
As for the case of John Mattes' in America, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
BBG is confident that if it had gone further, it would "ultimately fail," | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
suggesting his points are "unfounded." | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
But in any case, the company told us | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
that due to declining demand in the face of "better value" | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
methods of communication, it is "actively removing" | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
its services from Europe and North America. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
But in the meantime, a sharp drop in the number of calls | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
"has resulted in higher costs." | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
So if you find yourself using a payphone abroad, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
do keep in mind that paying for a call by credit card will more | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
often than not be the most expensive way to pay | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
and cost you far more than it does back home. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
While a three-minute, inland call from a UK phone box would typically | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
cost you £1.60 if you pay by credit card, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
in Germany a comparable call would cost the equivalent | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
of just over £13. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
And in France, it could set you back almost £18! | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
So heading to a phone box that takes coins as well as cards | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
when you're abroad is likely to save you a pretty penny and, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
because you can keep track of the cost as you go along, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
means you'll avoid coming home to the shock of a bill much | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
higher than you ever, ever would have expected. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
I'm not telling anybody what they should charge for a phone call. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
All I'm saying is be honest. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Period. No ifs, ands or buts. No hidden agendas. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Straightforward, tell the consumer the price. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Still to come on Rip Off Britain, why a special treat bought | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
by her son has ended up leaving this woman feeling short-changed. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
People get these as gifts | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and they don't like to complain because its a gift from a loved one. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
For one weekend last summer, we opened up our Rip Off Britain | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Pop Up Shop in one of the biggest shopping centres | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
in the West Midlands. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
Well, good morning, everybody. How are you? Thank you all for coming. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
-The shop is open! -In you go. -In you go. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Over the two days, we had plenty of you coming in | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
to tell us about your holiday horrors. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
Some of which, even after months, haven't been sorted. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
I had an incident a couple years ago. It was back in February, 2012, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
and it's still unresolved. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
It was just absolutely horrendous. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
My husband had already swapped rooms before I had even arrived. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
And outside the shop, in our Gripe Corner, there was a steady stream | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
of people ready to tell us what's really hacked them off | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
about trying to get away! | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
I think airlines are an absolute rip-off. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
They charge booking fees, card fees, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
then charge extra to take baggage on the plane. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
A car was pre-booked and pre-paid for some three months earlier. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
When we got to the kiosk, we were told they hadn't got the vehicle | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
we wanted or that was suitable for us. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Back inside, it was another car-hire problem that drove Peter | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
and Mary Wright to come and see travel journalist Alison Rice. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
They had quite a surprise when they returned the vehicle | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
at the end of their holiday in America | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
and found they'd been charged £250 more than they were expecting. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Not only that, but when they asked for an explanation, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
the car-hire company told them it was because they'd hired | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
an entirely different car from the one they'd actually been driving! | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Instead of charging me for a full-size car, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
when I came back, I realised on my credit slip they've charged me | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
for a premium car. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Now, they'd asked me if I wanted to upgrade, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
and I said, "No, thank you." | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
I took a full-size car out of the full-size car lot | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
and used a full-size car for a month. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
It wasn't until I got back into the departure lounge | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
that I found out they charged me just short of 400 | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
for the premium car. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
I called the customer service people from the airport. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
Initially, they said I signed for a premium car, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
which I don't doubt that I did. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
I just signed where I was asked to sign, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:33 | |
but you can see quite clearly that I haven't used a premium car | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
nor did I ask for one. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
He said, "Give us your e-mail address and we'll contact you," | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
and they didn't. When I got home, I rang them back, they gave me | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
another e-mail address, no reply. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
I sent snail mail letter, no reply. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
If it's any consolation, Peter, you're not alone. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
And it really is buyer beware with car hire. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Most of the complaints are about when you get home | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
and your credit card statement comes, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
and it's not what you thought. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
A lot of the profit made by car-hire companies is made by the add-ons, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
and a lot of those add-ons comes from the pressure you're under | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
when you go to the collection desk and you sign for something | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
without understanding you've signed to pay a lot more money. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
I have a horrid feeling that you have no come-back. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
We get a lot of complaints about car-hire companies. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
And if you feel you're not getting anywhere, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
there is an organisation that can help. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
In Britain, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
there is the British Vehicle Rental And Leasing Association, BVRLA. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:40 | |
They have many members - big companies and small companies. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
They have a code of conduct and they will investigate it, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
but only if there's evidence that a member has breached the contract. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
So, if I were you, I'd still write a letter to the BVRLA | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
and just say, "This is what's happening, you know." | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
What about the idea of going onto social media | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
and at least telling your story? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
I bet you'll find there's lots of other people | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
who've been caught the same way. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
If you're fighting a company that minds about its reputation | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
and you do go onto social media, you might find you get some redress | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
that way, because a lot of companies do not want to be embarrassed. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
Well, thank you for coming in and sharing it with us | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
cos we do deal in cautionary tales | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
as well as trying to solve problems. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
I'll give you a call if I have troubles again with them. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Now, what could be a more generous present than a night away? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
But rather than tying someone into staying at a particular place | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
you've chosen on their behalf, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
you could decide instead to buy a gift voucher | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
that can be used at various hotels on any particular night. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
It's a convenient and flexible way to do it, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
and there's a wide range of companies offering such deals. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
But does that flexibility come at a price? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
There can't be many of us who haven't struggled to find | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
that perfect gift for someone we really care about. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
And it's harder still when close at heart isn't close at hand | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
if, for example, the person you're buying for is 6,000 miles away, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
on the other side of the globe. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
I miss Sam, he's my only son. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
Any mother would miss their son. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Pat Oliver's son, Sam, left to teach English in Japan 12 years ago. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
And despite all the help that technology can offer, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
she misses not having him closer to home. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
It is special when I hear from him. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Getting in contact with Sam is not always easy | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
because of the difference in time between here and Japan, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
but again, sometimes his commitments are such that he can't always | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
get back to me. Anything from Sam is quite good. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
But Sam likes to make up for the distance between them. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
Sam is very generous. He's a generous boy. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
We went to Japan last year and he paid for all the hotel for us | 0:24:00 | 0:24:07 | |
and he paid for various transports, things like that, you know? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
And when his mum's birthday came around, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Sam decided to treat her to a very special gift. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Using a site called Activity Superstore, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
he bought a voucher for a hotel mini-break, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
so she and her partner, Dave, could enjoy a night away. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Delivered in a special gift box, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
the voucher stated that it could be exchanged for one night's bed | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
and breakfast in a choice of dozens of guesthouses around the UK, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
to a maximum value of £109. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
When we saw this gift, we thought, "Oh, typical Sam," | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
you know, "He's sent us another lovely gift." | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
And when Pat and Dave were invited to a wedding in Scotland, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
it seemed the perfect opportunity to use her voucher. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
She found a guesthouse included in the scheme, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
which was on the way to the wedding. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
I thought, "Oh, that sounds all right. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
"We can break up our journey going up to our wedding." | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Keen to find out more about the place, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
Pat went online to look it up on other sites. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But when she did, she was surprised to find she could have booked | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
a room there much more cheaply than by using the voucher. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
To my horror and amazement, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
I found that a one nights' stay there was £60, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
so I thought, "Oh, how does that work? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
"I've got a voucher here for 109," you know, "that's £49 difference." | 0:25:29 | 0:25:36 | |
Thinking her son had paid over the odds, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Pat picked up the phone and called Activity Superstore | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
to ask if what she had spotted was correct. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
I said to him, "Well, what's happening to the other £49, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
"where's that gone to? Who's having that?" | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
She even asked if she could spend a bit more | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
and stay for two nights instead of one. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
She was told that wasn't possible | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
because the voucher was only valid for a one-night stay. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
When she continued to query the difference in price, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Activity Superstore told her it was only a third party company | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
and £109 was the maximum amount she could spend, not the cash value, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
even though Sam had paid the full £109 to buy the voucher. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
I put the phone down, I was so angry at that time. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Pat then did some more research online | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and found a number of other people complaining of similar experiences. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
One guy complained about his voucher for £109. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
He checked out every hotel that there was available, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
and the highest one was £70. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Pat decided not to use the voucher to go to the wedding | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
in Scotland after all. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Instead, she used it to stay at a castle in Wales, | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
which, even then if she'd paid in cash, would have cost her only £89. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:05 | |
Sam works extremely hard. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
I feel it's a shame, he's made a gift to me of £109, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
I feel basically these people are ripping him off and me. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
Of course, Pat did still get her night away for free, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
but she hates the idea that to get it, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
her son paid more than he needed to. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
So we took a closer look at the offers | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
on the Activity Superstore site ourselves. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
At the time we researched this, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
there were 37 guesthouses for customers to choose from. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
And on the day we checked, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
we found that at 27 of those, you'd have got a better deal booking | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
direct with them rather than by cashing in a voucher for your stay. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
In one case, booking direct was up to £54 cheaper | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
than paying with a voucher! | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
The concept of Activity Superstore | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
doing wonderful experience | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
for people, I think that's a good concept. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
I've got no actual issue with that at all. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
The issue I've got is the amount of profit they make from those. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
But the company behind Activity Superstore completely rejects | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
any criticism, saying its vouchers are sold at "a very fair price" | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
and offer "fantastic flexibility and certainty of value." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
They say comparing the cost of the voucher with the price | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
of booking direct with a hotel or indeed on other websites | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
is "grossly unfair," because most hotels... | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
The company told us they sell 250,000 vouchers each year | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
and that "over 99% of customers have no complaint whatsoever." | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
And they point out that the voucher comes "in a presentation gift box" | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
and includes cancellation cover and accident insurance. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
They add that it's the hotels that receive most of the money | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
from the voucher, not them, and that their own share takes into account | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
running costs and tax, as well as profit. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
To find out if Pat's experience was typical, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
we compared five of the biggest other voucher companies to see | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
how their prices matched with doing it yourself. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
We compared how much it would cost to stay on a Saturday night | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
in February, March and April using a voucher | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
or booking direct with the hotel. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Now, it's hardly a scientific survey, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
but we found that in a third of cases | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
where a reservation was possible, booking with a voucher cost more. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
In one case, £43 pounds more! | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
So although vouchers can be a great option for the ease and convenience, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
be aware that sometimes you'll pay a price for that convenience. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
And that's still what rankles with Pat. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
People get these as gifts and they don't like to complain | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
because it's a gift from a loved one. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Our travel expert, Simon Calder, has flown, sailed, driven | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
and indeed cycled to thousands of destinations all around the world. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
So we asked him to let us in on some of his top secrets. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
This time it's New York. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
You know the song... | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
# It's up to you New York, New York. # | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
But a big problem in the Big Apple can be that it's also up to you | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
to work the total cost of your hotel room! | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
New York is one of the most expensive cities in the world | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
for accommodation. And guess what, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
it can be even more expensive than it initially looks. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
Hello, yes, I wondered if you had a room available for tomorrow night? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
'It's standard practice to not to include tax in the quoted room rate.' | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
My goodness me, that's nearly 100 in...in tax!" | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
I called the Waldorf Astoria | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
and was quoted 599 | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
for a night in a superior room. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
Once tax is added, it comes to over 690. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
That's a whopping 15% increase, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
which could come as a bit of a shock if you're not expecting it. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
And remember that tax is added in all American hotels, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
but it can bump up the price if you hadn't factored it in! | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
So, once you've checked in, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
it's time to check out that famous Manhattan skyline for real. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
But getting the best views of the city comes at a price, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
so choose your skyscraper with care. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
We all love a view, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
but when it comes to New York, think twice | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
before you go for the obvious choice - | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
the observatory at the top of the Empire State Building. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
The Rockefeller Centre has a unique, 360-degree panorama | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
that includes a monumental view of the Empire State Building. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
What's more, it's 17 cheaper. That's about £10! | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
It can seem that everything in New York comes with a hefty price tag, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
but if you plan it carefully, you can get some of New York | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
on the house. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
New York has some of the finest museums on the planet, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
and they're even better when they're free! | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
It's a question of timing. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
Take the Guggenheim. If you visit between 5.45 and 7.45 | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
on a Saturday evening, you get in free, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
or at least pay what you wish, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
and so you can decide how much | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
of the normal 22 admission fee | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
you want to hand over. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Do bear in mind that when Americans come to Britain, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
we welcome them to our great National Museums for free all the time! | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
Earlier in the programme, we heard how the cost of taking a baby | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
on a cruise meant that one young couple have now turned their back on | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
what had previously been their favourite form of holiday. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
And in fact, quite a lot of you have been telling us | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
about some of those extra and totally unexpected charges | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
that can crop up on a cruise that can really make a very large hole | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
in your holiday budget. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
Let's face it, a cruise isn't exactly the kind of holiday | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
where you can nip off to another part of the resort | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
and find something a little bit cheaper. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
So to ensure that you don't feel left all at sea | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
when it comes to exactly how much a cruise is going to cost you, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
we've been taking a look at some of those extra costs. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Since the days when it was a glamorous choice for the super rich, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
cruising has become an increasingly affordable | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
and popular holiday option. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:52 | |
Last year, 1.7 million of us took to the waves. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
These days, everybody goes on cruises - kids go on cruises, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
teenagers go on cruises, older people go on cruises, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
honeymooners go on cruises, every age, every creed. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
But unlike any other package holiday, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
taking a holiday at sea makes you a truly captive audience. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
So when it comes to what's included in your cruise, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
it really is more important than ever | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
that you know what you're getting and what you're not. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
The main misconception about a cruise is that everything | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
is included in the price. Now you could take the top layer | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
of the cruise lines and most of them include an awful lot, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
but generally, as a rule of thumb, the mass-market cruise lines | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
include accommodation, they will include meals and entertainment, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
but mostly, everything on top of that is an extra. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
And that echoes what you've been telling us. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
We've heard from viewers who feel they've ended up paying out | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
a lot more than expected. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
So we asked some of them to meet up on board our own mini cruise. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
Oh, I know it's the Manchester Ship Canal, not the Caribbean, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
but use your imagination! | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
They're here to compare notes on the cruise costs | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
they hadn't bargained for. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
When they put in money which you do not expect to pay, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
then you feel cheated. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:19 | |
The excursions themselves are very expensive in relation to | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
what you can purchase when you disembark the ship. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
We were very annoyed about the tipping policy. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Nobody told us that you could actually opt out | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
of the tipping policy. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
They clearly want a captive audience on the boat, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
if you're buying their alcohol at whatever price | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-they want to charge. -Yes. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
Dr Janardan Vyas and his wife, Purnima, booked their cruise online | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
to celebrate his retirement as an orthopaedic surgeon. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
We thought, "Let's treat ourselves with a nice holiday," | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
the thing that we always wanted to do and never had time to do so. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
Their cruise cost over £5,000, and when they booked it, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
they assumed everything was included in the price. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
But the first unexpected charge came when they had to pay 50 | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
for the transfer from the airport to the dock. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
And from then on, the costs just kept stacking up. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
It was advertised as full board, all the meals and drinks included, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
and when we got there, we found out | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
that it was the drinks were only meal times. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
Any other time, we had to pay for it. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
They didn't explain it properly. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
But when you are on holidays, you don't want to fight with people, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
you just want to enjoy. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:39 | |
Janardan and Purnima did enjoy their trip. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
But they didn't enjoy paying the £170 bill | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
with which they were presented at the end for extras such as Wi-Fi | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
and the daily gratuity charge. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
The cruise liners should be more transparent. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
That's why we feel that we probably won't cruise again. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
I enjoyed the cruise itself. It was the fact that they... | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
After his last cruise in July, 2013, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Mark Wood is another disappointed passenger. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
My wife and I took some of those small tins | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
of pre-mixed gin and tonic which we thought, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
"If the kids go to sleep, we can have a drink in the cabin." | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
We checked in and then the cruise staff asked me | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
if I'd brought any alcohol on board, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
I didn't think there'd be a problem so I said, "Yes, we've got these... | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
"these cans of gin and tonic," and I showed them. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
And they said, "I'm sorry, you can't take those on board. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
"We're going to have to confiscate them." | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
Mark was told this was company policy, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
but he wasn't given an explanation as to why. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
And as it wasn't a policy he'd been aware of before setting sail, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
once back home, he investigated further. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Well, when I got back and I was annoyed with what had gone on, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
so I decided to try and find out what the terms and conditions were, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
so I went on the website. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
I have to say, it wasn't easy finding | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
exactly what they were, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
and it turned out to be effectively 12 pages | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
of the stuff, with a couple of lines on the alcohol policy. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
I mean, I actually work as a solicitor, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
and it wasn't straightforward. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
As far as Mark's concerned, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
the reason for the company's policy is obvious. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
What was clear when you got on was that they were quite happy | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
to, obviously, serve you at the bar. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:18 | |
They clearly wanted you to spend money at the bar | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
and didn't want people bringing their own drink on board. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
In fact, a number of cruise ships ban passengers | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
from bringing their own food and drink on board. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
And putting aside whether that is reasonable or not, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
what you've told us is you want to know the rules up front. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
So as our cruisers swap their sea stories, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
they're also comparing the small print in the brochures | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
to see just how clearly some of these charges are explained. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
It talks about gratuities and service charges | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
and it says they vary between different providers, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
because, obviously, this brochure deals with different cruise lines. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
So it doesn't actually say which provider deals with what. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
I can't find anything at all in this book regarding tipping. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
That should be included, shouldn't it? | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Look at this, the terms and conditions. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Three pages. I can hardly read it, it's that small! | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
I need to get my eyes tested! | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
To try and sort the small print from the big prices, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
cruise journalist Jane Archer is on board to offer advice. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Could you explain where the gratuities go to | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
and who they go to? | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Yes, the gratuities go to all of the crew on the cruise ship. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
They take it from you at the end of each day and they add maybe, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
let's say, 12 or ten dollars to your account, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
and that money is then split between all of the crew, instead | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
of you giving a tip to a waiter or maybe to the barman individually. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
So it means it's much fairer because then everybody gets something. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
What's the definition of full board? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
Full board means that you get all your meals, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
and all the cruise lines include all meals in the price of the cruise. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
Now, some of them also include drinks - and it might be drinks | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
just at meal times, it might be drinks throughout the whole day. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
It varies enormously. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
When you are choosing a cruise, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
establish exactly what you want to start with. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
If you don't like the idea of getting off a ship with a big bill, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
you need to book one of the high-end cruise lines, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
which are more inclusive, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
but, of course, the initial price will be higher. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
If you don't want to pay that price, then go for one of the more | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
mass-market cruise lines, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
but you will pay for additional things once you're on board. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
So if you want your trip to be plain sailing, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
make sure you've done your number crunching | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
and read those terms and conditions before you book. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
But despite all of this, Jane, for one, is convinced that | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
cruising is still a great holiday choice. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
A cruise is wonderful because you're on that ship | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and you wake up every day in a different destination. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
You haven't had to unpack and re-pack your suitcase. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
You get a full day to enjoy the place you're at. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
You've got some fantastic service. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
It really is one of the best value holidays that you can find. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
As for the guests on our own Manchester mini-cruise, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
by the time they're back on dry land, they've learnt enough | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
to ensure that their next cruise won't be such a voyage of discovery. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
Well, I was quite surprised, having only been on a mini cruise, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
talking to some of the people who cruise regularly | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
as to how many potential extras and hidden extras there can be. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
It would certainly put me off, to an extent, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
if I wasn't sure how much I was going to pay. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
Here at Rip Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
more of your stories, and not just about holidays. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Confused over your bills or feel you're paying over the odds? | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
I begrudge having to pay that kind of money out. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
and that so-called great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
People are buying into this. I did, you know? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
And are they awkward with them as they were with me? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
the mistakes you made with us, so others don't do the same. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
-I'm more wise now, but I was taken in. -Yeah. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
Or send us an e-mail to... | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
The Rip Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
Well, I'm afraid that's almost where we have to leave it for today. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
But as you've heard throughout the programme, charges that, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
one way or another, you just weren't expecting can really add up. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
-And you know the one I'm most shocked about? -Which? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
The costs of those phone boxes. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:50 | |
Who would have thought they would have actually cost so much? | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
-I know! -Not me, anyway. So when it comes to things like that, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
it really is a case of buyer beware | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
or you could very easily find yourself paying out a lot more | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
than you bargained for. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
And, of course, there are always more money-saving tips | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
on our website... | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
But do keep sending us your examples | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
of where perhaps you received an unexpected charge | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
or one that you thought was totally unfair | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
and we'll do our very best to feature it in a future programme. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
But for now, I'm afraid that's where we have to leave you for today. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
So we'll be back with you again very soon. And until then, from all of us, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
-bye-bye. -Bye. -Bye-bye and happy holidays, hopefully! | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 |