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We asked you who's left you feeling | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
ripped off when it comes to your holidays, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
We said, "No, we're going to stick with this | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
"and try to get something done about it." | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
When you're on holidays, you don't want to fight with people, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
you just want to enjoy it. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
or a catch in the small print, we'll find out why you're | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Your stories. Your money. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Hello. And in this case, literally a very warm welcome to | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
Rip-Off Britain, where once again, we're getting | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
a taste of winter sunshine in the Canary Islands. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
This time, we're going to be looking at more of the travel | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
and holiday stories that you've asked us to investigate. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
And I'm afraid to say, it is a catalogue of disasters. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
But we'll be trying to get to the bottom of it all today! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
But sadly, those stories keep cropping up again | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
and again, don't they? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
And do you know what makes it so bad in this case? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
In every one of the stories that we'll be hearing about, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
things went wrong not because of anything the holiday-makers did. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
At the root of every problem was something | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
that someone else had got wrong. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
So as well as trying to unpick exactly what happened, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
we'll be seeing if our intervention can help get any of those | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
situations resolved. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
Coming up... The holiday club where membership came with | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
a clear-cut money back guarantee. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
So why have members not had it? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
I've done everything right. We've paid for it, we want it back. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
And why this man took his battle with one of the biggest | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
names in travel to court...and won. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
This case wasn't about me any more. I was establishing a case | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
which potentially would be of value to everybody. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
Five and a half million Brits holiday in America every year, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
and all most of them | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
should have to do is fill in a simple online form before they fly. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
But when one family from Hertfordshire were getting | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
ready to set off on their latest of many stateside trips last year, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
they found the doors very firmly closed. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
They were persona non grata, thanks to a simple mistake that took | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
months to unravel. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
15-year-old Max Fell dreams of becoming a pilot one day. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
I'm really interested in aviation, and it's something I've been | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
reading about and following in the news for a long time. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Every year, the Fells go to Florida for their summer holiday. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
They've been going for the last ten years. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
And on the most recent trip they booked, there was | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
going to be a special treat for Max. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
We were particularly looking forward to going on holiday this time | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
because me were meant to be flying on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
which would be an extra highlight for us. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
But the real thrills on the family's annual trips come | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
when the plane lands in Florida itself. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
We really enjoy going to the theme parks, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
we like visiting the coast, we like eating out... | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
It's a really varied holiday and something for all of us to do. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
For most Brits, travelling to the US is relatively hassle-free. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
If you hold a UK passport, you're entitled to a visa waiver, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
allowing you into America as a tourist for up to 90 days | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
without needing to get a full visa. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Instead, you apply for what's called the Electronic System | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
for Travel Authorization, better known as an ESTA. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
It'll last for two years. But when Mark and Sally set about | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
booking their latest trip, theirs had expired. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
So they needed new ones. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
We did our ESTA application online as normal. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
Approval didn't come back immediately, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
but that was nothing out of the ordinary. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
It's normally just a basic thing that we go through. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
But this time, the family was in for a shock. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
When they checked the next day, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
although Mark and Max's ESTAs had been approved, Sally's had not. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
And no explanation was given. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
At the time I felt really surprised, really shocked. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
I couldn't think why there was a problem. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I wondered whether we'd made a mistake | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
when we'd done our applications online. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Unfortunately, there's no way of going back | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
and checking the information that you've put in. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Reasons why an ESTA may be declined include the following - | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
previously working illegally in the US, suspected of being | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
an intended immigrant or "suspected of being a terrorist." | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
None of which applied to any of the Fell family. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
We definitely weren't terrorists, we had no criminal convictions, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
we couldn't think what the problem was and we were extremely worried. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Mark and Sally contacted US Customs for an explanation. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
And it turned out the American authorities believed that on her | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
last visit, Sally had stayed longer than the three months allowed. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
They had her departure date down as the 8th of November, 2012, rather | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
than the actual date, which had been the 11th of August! | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
But to Sally's dismay, raising the issue only resulted in Mark | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
and Max's ESTAs now being rejected, too! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
And she couldn't convince anyone that there must have been a mistake. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
I tried to explain that to the gentleman on the phone. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
He refused to discuss the matter any further, saying | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
we needed to get proof from UK Immigration that we had | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
returned to the United Kingdom in August the previous year. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
With time fast running out before they were due to fly, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
the family frantically set about finding evidence to | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
prove their previous visit to the States had only lasted two weeks. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
Having being recorded as overstaying in the United States would | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
have serious consequences for all of our family for the future. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
Once this is on your records, it means that travel to the | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
United States is prohibited. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
In a panic, Mark and Sally considered applying for a full visa, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
but found the process couldn't be completed in time for their holiday. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
They also contacted ABTA, the Association of British Travel Agents, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
who asked the tour operator the family had flown with last time | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
to provide the necessary evidence to sort out the date mix-up. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
They said they were dealing with the matter, however they could not | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
give us any details of who they'd spoken to in the United States. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Eventually, the mystery was solved, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
but the family could hardly believe the explanation. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
They'd flown back last time from Sanford Airport in Orlando, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
where it emerged that the computer system, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
supplied by a British company, had recently been modified. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
And for a few days afterwards, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
it had been recording dates in the British format, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
whereas the Americans would write | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
the day and the month the other way around, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
which is why the family's correct departure date of the 11th of August, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
ie - 11-8, had been interpreted as the 8th of November | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
by the Americans. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
We found it quite unbelievable that just the month | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
and the date being transferred could have such | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
an impact on our future travel plans | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
and that no-one was willing to | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
correct what was such a basic error and something so easy to rectify. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Finally, the family were given their ESTAs. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
But sad to say, it was too late. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
They'd already missed their departure date. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
And if that wasn't bad enough, their insurance company refused to | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
cover them for the holiday they'd missed out on...because it doesn't | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
include visa issues in its list of valid reasons for cancellation. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
We both work extremely hard, we save hard all year, we look forward | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
to a holiday with our family. We felt absolutely desperate, we | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
really don't know what else we could have done to prevent this happening. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
In total, the couple lost over £3,000 on flights | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
and over £450 on accommodation. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
They'd also spent £40 on phone calls to America, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
trying to sort everything out, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
all because of a mistake that wasn't their fault at all. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
If simply our records could have been corrected, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
we could have travelled, we needn't have seen Max's disappointment, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
we needn't have lost our holiday, we needn't have lost all our money | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
that we'd worked hard for all year. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
But when we contacted Thomson, who the family had been due to | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
fly with, there was good news. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
The company told us that though its terms and conditions don't | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
allow compensation to cover... | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
..as a "gesture of good will", | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
it has offered the family flights for their next trip to Florida, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
up to the value of their original purchase. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
We also got in touch with Orlando Sanford Airport, who confirmed | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
that a "programming error," quickly fixed, had led to the mix-up. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
It says the Department of Homeland Security should have amended | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
the flight data, but "apparently this was not the case". | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
So the airport, too, have offered the family a goodwill gesture - | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
complimentary use of the VIP Lounge next time they fly through Sanford. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
And though all that's very welcome, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
Max and Sally are still out of pocket | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
as well as frustrated that a mistake not down to them | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
took as long as it did to resolve. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
The situation was ridiculous because we hadn't done anything wrong. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
The fact we lost our holiday was avoidable, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
which in a way, makes the whole situation worse. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Now, many of you visiting a resort like this may well in the past | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
have been approached by someone | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
offering you an exciting chance to win a free holiday. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
The only catch is - you'd have to listen to a presentation | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
about an investment opportunity apparently just too good to miss. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
And for the people who signed up to one particular deal - based around | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
what seemed a pretty clear-cut, money-back guarantee - it really did | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
sound like they'd found something they'd be mad to turn down. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
But I'm afraid, ten years on, that key, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
central promise has in many cases spectacularly failed to come true. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
Philip and Lynn Clipson's trip to Lanzarote back in 2001 | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
had been their first foreign holiday for 30 years, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
and they'd arranged it for a very special reason. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
I wanted to arrange something for our 30th wedding anniversary, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
It was lovely to get on a plane again, after all that time. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
As soon as you land at the airport, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
the warmth when you come out the airport, wonderful. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
The rest of their holiday was wonderful as well. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
And towards the end, they were offered an intriguing proposal. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
We were walking in the local resort of Costa Teguise, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
where we were staying, and a guy approached in the street. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
And he said, "Would you be interested in a scratchcard here? You know, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
"it might be well worth your time." | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Obviously, we scratched the card and, "Oh, you've won!" | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Oh, surprise, surprise(!) | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
"Well, if you want to claim your prize," he said, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
"you've got to go over to where our operation headquarters is. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
"There's no catch!" | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
When they walked into the offices of the rep's employer - | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Club Select Holidays - | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
they were told the prize was a week's free stay in a hotel. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
But before they could claim it, the company would like to tell them | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
about a new opportunity to join their holiday club. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
It was quite exciting, really, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
because it seemed to offer good class quality | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
accommodation on holiday, throughout the world and at discounted prices. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:20 | |
All they had to do was pay a lump sum of £3,330 up-front, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
and an annual membership fee of £15. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
But best of all - | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
they could get almost £4,000 cashback after ten years. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
We thought surely this can be too good to be true, really, surely. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
How can any holiday firm offer something like this? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
So, with a free week away, discounted holidays | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
and a money-back guarantee, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Philip and Lynn were persuaded it was virtually risk-free. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
The only concern at the back of my mind was, I said to myself, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
"Well, will this firm still exist in ten years' time? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
"Will it have disappeared off the face of the earth?" | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
And that was my concern. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Not wanting to fully commit on the spot, Philip and Lynn paid a £500 | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
deposit and took all the paperwork away to read when they got home. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
We checked everything out | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
and thought, "Well, this company does exist - they're in the telephone | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
"directory, they're online." We didn't think there'd be a problem. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
So, reassured, the couple signed up to Club Select's holiday club | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
and paid the next instalment of the £3,300 membership fee. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
It was quite clear that, provided they diligently paid every | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
one of their annual fees - in ten years' time, they'd be able | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
to cash in their bond of guarantee and get their money back. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
And in the intervening years they could take as many discounted | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
holidays as they could afford. Looking at all the choices, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Philip and Lynn were sure that they'd made the right decision. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
"This looks great!" You know, we pored through them to see | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
what was available. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
Their first trip with the club was to Gran Canaria, to take up | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
the free hotel stay they'd won when they signed up. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
All we had to do was find the cost of the flights. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
It was a fantastic holiday. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
The accommodation that was on offer was wonderful, it was en-suite. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
We had a lovely view from our room. We couldn't have asked for more. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
But once they'd paid the final instalment of the £3,300 membership | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
fee, they didn't always find booking future holidays straightforward, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
because the accommodation they were offered was only available | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
on specific days. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Unfortunately, when we started looking for flights, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
we found it was quite difficult. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Very often, from a work point of view, it was difficult fitting | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
in the times to fit in with the holidays that were available to us. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
So, Philip and Lynn didn't take any more Club Select holidays. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
But that didn't worry them because they knew that, in 2012, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
they'd be able to cash in their bond and get their membership money back. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
In the meantime, all they had to do was to remember to pay | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
the £15 annual fee. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
But Philip has got a great eye for detail, and had carefully mapped out | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
when each payment needed to happen. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
So, in January, 2012, with all the fees paid, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
he put in a claim for the £4,000 | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
that he and Lynn's bond stated they were entitled to. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
But when Club Select replied, it wasn't to sort out paying the cash. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
I read the letter and... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
there were excuses in there from the company saying, "Well, you haven't | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
"fulfilled the terms of the bond, you haven't paid the membership fees. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
"If you can prove to us that you have, we will reconsider." | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
Club Select claimed the Clipsons had not paid their £15 | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
annual membership in 2002 and 2006. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
But Philip had proof that he had. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
A bank statement from 2006 and a 2002 e-mail from Club Select | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
confirmed that year's fee | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
had been included in his initial bond payment. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
I thought, "Well, I've got the information that you require | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
"regarding the so-called unpaid membership fees." | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
But Club Select refused to accept Philip's proof. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
All they were willing to do was to make a lower offer - | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
just half of the amount he was entitled to. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
I was angry, I know Lynn was very angry, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
and I said, "I'm not having this." | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
And when Philip did a search online, he discovered he wasn't | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
the only member of Club Select to have difficulty getting their money. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
I suddenly found other people | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
who were having exactly the same problems | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
and were asking advice - what could they do, where could they go to? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Over the years, we've heard plenty of complaints about holiday clubs, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
and so has Jane Negus from the UK European Consumer Centre, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
who says in situations like this, they can offer free help and advice. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
Philip's story is familiar to us. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
We obviously get a lot of complaints about the holiday club business. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
We will actually take your paperwork, will look over it, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
will look over all the terms and conditions that were there. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Then what we will do is we will actually ask our centre in that | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
appropriate country to actually contact the business on your behalf. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
What they will do is, they'll see | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
if they can mediate to try and get a resolution that will put | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
you in the position you want to be, which is to have your money. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
We contacted Club Select Holidays, who are based in Lanzarote, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
to ask why Philip hasn't yet been paid the money he's due. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
So far, they haven't replied. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
But Philip and Lynn haven't given up hope that they may one day | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
get their £4,000 back. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
I've done everything right. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
We're honest to people | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
and hopefully they are honest with us back. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
We know business isn't always like that, but we do hope that people | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
can treat us as proper people. We've paid for it, we want it back. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
An ultimatum in the middle | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
of the wilderness - | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
"Hand over more cash...or your safari is over." | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
I know there's lots of companies out there that are corrupt | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
but somebody that was actually so personally involved with us, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
how she could lie to that extent. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
We took Rip-Off Britain out on the road. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
This time, to the West Midlands. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
This shopping centre is teeming! The stores are all packed, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
and so is our Pop Up Shop. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Our travel experts were on hand to answer as many of your holiday | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
problems as they could. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
And outside the shop, in our gripe corner, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
you came in your droves | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
to tell us about the holiday horrors that annoy you the most. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
I find travel insurance a massive rip-off. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
I get really annoyed. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
My husband and I are over 65 | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
and because of that, we have | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
to pay triple what of most people have to pay. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
We're a family of five. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
It's really difficult to get a hotel room | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
to fit the five of us in, so we have to get ripped off | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
and pay the price for two rooms. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Back inside, Joyce Davies | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
and Rob Lovell came to see Simon Calder after realising too | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
late that the website they'd used to sort out the visas they needed | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
to visit Turkey wasn't the best place for them to have done that. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
We thought, "Oh, this doesn't sound right." | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
We phoned up, cancelled them. But unfortunately, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
we can't hear back from the company - | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
they just won't reply to any e-mails that we've sent. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
-Had you paid money? -Yeah. -Paid by a credit card. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
-How much? -£313. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
For how many visas? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
-Eight. -For eight visas. -For eight visas! | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
-That's nearly £40 each. -Yeah. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
'It used to be that you could get a Turkish visa at the airport, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
'but all of that has changed.' | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
Right. I'm so sorry, here's what's happened. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
As you know, the Turkish government decided, "We're not going to do | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
"the jolly old stamp your passport, go and stand over there" | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
when you've got off your plane. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
"We'll charge you £10, put the stamp in, off you go." | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Oh, no! | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
"We are going to bring a new Turkish visa that you get electronically." | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Funny enough, as they say, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
here's one I prepared earlier | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
because I really thought this story would come up. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
That's a genuine electronic visa. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
Genuine e-visas are best bought through the official Turkish | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
government website. But as Joyce and Rob have discovered, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
there are plenty of sites | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
hoping that you'll unwittingly pay extra to get one through them. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
There are companies out there that think, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
"We know how to make a fast buck. What we will do is set up a site | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
"and pay the search engine to be at the top of the listing." | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
And they will charge you, now let me think... | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
They're charging about three, three and a half times the price. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
The only thing to do, I think, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
is - first of all, put it down to experience - | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
secondly, have you get any visas through yet? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
-No. -We've ended up with one. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
We haven't printed it. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
-Right, OK. -One has arrived, but none of the others have. -Look. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
I don't know whether you are going to get any more of the visas | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
through, but most certainly, for all the people who | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
haven't yet got them, I would be going online | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
spending ten minutes putting all the same information in again, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
paying 20 per person, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
so about £12 or £13, and then you'll get this. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Now, when you've handed over your money for something, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
you expect you're going to get it. And that's especially true | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
if you've forked out thousands of pounds for a holiday. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
But here's a really dreadful case of how one couple's trip | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
unravelled in pretty dramatic fashion. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
And by the time they discovered the truth about the company | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
they'd booked with, it was not only way too late, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
but they were miles from anywhere - out in the middle of the wilderness. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
The combination of breathtaking scenery and the excitement | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
of spotting some of the rarest animals in the world is why Mike | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
and Victoria Lombard have always enjoyed safaris when they go away. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Safaris, for me, are just the ultimate holiday. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
It lets the stress of life go. And the best part is just to go | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
and sit quietly and then you just see the whole place around you | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
comes to life. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
But the couple wanted their next safari, to Kenya, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
to be really different, something tailor-made just for them. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
After searching online, Victoria came across a company called | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Holiday To Africa, co-run by a woman called Sharyn Grainger. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
It seemed to offer exactly the bespoke kind of holiday | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
the couple were after. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
A fantastic website, you know, beautiful...beautiful layout - | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
beautiful pictures, beautiful stories, testimonials all there. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Everything looked absolutely perfect. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Holiday to Africa also boasted of being a member | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
of the Travel Trust Association, which gives 100% financial cover | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
so that consumers are protected if the travel company goes bust. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
And Mike and Victoria were impressed by the personal service | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
that Sharyn Grainger provided. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
She was almost like a friend by that stage. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
We trusted her that it was all going to be OK, amazing. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
So Mike and Victoria went ahead and booked their trip | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
with Holiday To Africa, paying nearly 6,000 US dollars | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
by direct bank transfer. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
We work exceptionally hard and that's what we deserved and... | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
well I'd been certainly looking forward to it for the six months | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
that it took to plan it. So by that stage, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
you're just dying to go and enjoy the whole experience. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
When they finally set off in October, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
it seemed that was exactly what was going to happen. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
So, we arrived in Nairobi and we went to a lovely hotel. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
And then we were picked up by the driver in the morning - | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
lovely guy, he was so nice. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
He drove us to the first National Park, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
which was called Samburu. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
I saw the leopard, which was one of my goals, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
It was absolutely stunning. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
So that was a really amazing experience. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
But five days into their seven-night trip, their driver | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
and tour guide delivered some bad news. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
He told them that the Kenyan tour operator he worked for - | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
a business called Dallago Tours and Safaris Limited - | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
hadn't been paid by Sharyn at Holiday To Africa. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
As a result, unless Mike and Victoria could pay up there | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
and then, they would be immediately driven back to Nairobi. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Mike agreed to speak to their driver's boss. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
I had that sinking feeling because it's not often the boss wants | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
to speak with you unless there's usually a problem. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
So I got on the telephone to him and he said to me, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
"Look, I can't take you any further on your tour." | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
And I said, "Why?" | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
And he said, "Well, I haven't been paid." | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
-I felt so sick. -Oh, yeah, you just feel... | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
-And I tried so hard not to cry. -Yep. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
But it was just devastating. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Their driver said they could stay in the bush one more night, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
but only on condition that they handed over 650. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
We were in the middle of Kenya, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
and he said, "Well, you're not going | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
"any further until you pay us the money." | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
We didn't really know him, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
and we had to hand that money over to him. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
We're in a vehicle with him and we'd just given him all that cash. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
The couple got on the phone to Sharyn at Holiday To Africa | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
to find out what was going on. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
She reassured them that everything would be fine and that the money | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
would be paid to the tour operator within a few hours. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
Sharyn just kept saying that there had been an error on her bank | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
account and she was waiting for some funds from America. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
But come the morning, there was still no sign of the payment. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
Unnerved by what was going on, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Mike and Victoria were driven back to Nairobi to meet the boss | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
of Dallago Tours to try and sort things out. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
So we were trying to remain calm. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Dallago Tours is run from... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
-a house in... -A suburb. -..in a suburb. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
So we start getting into this gated community, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
where there's all barbed wire, there's security guys on the gates. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
And all of a sudden, we turn off. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
You know, there's a security guy there. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
-He's got a gun. -He's got a gun. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
He's got an automatic weapon on his shoulder, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
-so now we're going to this house. -And we drive into a private house! | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
-At that point, I was just terrified. -Yeah. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
When they met Nick Kariuki, the director of Dallago Tours, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
all the couple could do was explain that none of this was their fault. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
They had paid Sharyn at Holiday To Africa, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
but it seemed she hadn't passed that money on. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Yeah, he said, "Come here, sit down." | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
And he sat down in his office. He's on the other side of the desk, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
-going, "You know, I haven't been paid." -He wanted his money! | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
But also at the same time, he was pretty insistent that he was | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
going to get his money, and that was what was going to happen. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
The couple simply couldn't afford to pay for their holiday a second time. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
And with no sign that Sharyn was going to pass on the money they'd | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
already paid, they felt they had no choice but to cut their holiday | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
short and spend over £200 on changing their flights home. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
But as soon as they landed in the UK, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
they were determined to get answers from Sharyn at Holiday To Africa. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
We arrive back at Heathrow and we decide, "Well, we might as well | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
"just go to these offices and then confront Sharyn | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
"and find out, you know, what's going on." | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
So we jump in the car and we drive over to Maidstone. And of course, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
we can find the road but not the house number... | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
Nothing quite... | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Added up. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
And we've been knocking on lots of doors because it's sort of half an | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
address. And the last one, we were just about to give up, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
and Mike said, "Oh, you go to this one." | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
So I went to the door | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
to knock on the door and this man answered the door. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
And he started talking to me in either a Zimbabwean or South African | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
accent. And I thought to myself, "I've spoken to this person before." | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
Victoria was right. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
The man was John Nell, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
who was Sharyn's co-director at Holiday To Africa. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Mike and Victoria demanded not only an explanation, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
but compensation for what they'd been through. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
And although at the time, John did suggest they would get a refund, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
they heard nothing further from the company, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
and didn't receive a penny. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
They hoped that the fact that the Travel Trust Association's | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
logo was on the Holiday To Africa website might throw them a lifeline. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
Unfortunately, it turned out that wasn't the case | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
and actually the logo had been used sort of incorrectly. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
And we phoned the Travel Trust and they said that she had applied | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
for membership but never actually taken it on. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
The Travel Trust Association confirmed to us | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
that Holiday To Africa had no authority to use the TTA logo, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
and doing so was "misleading and fraudulent". | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
And because Holiday To Africa had never genuinely been a member, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
there is no financial protection available to Victoria and Mike. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
Holiday To Africa has now been dissolved. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
And despite the couple pursuing the company through a debt collection | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
agency, they have not been able to get any of their money back. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
We were starting to realise that, you know, we'd been... | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
We're going to lose everything here. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
We hadn't paid on a credit card, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
we had no travel insurance in terms of protecting us for our holiday. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:02 | |
So we gradually started to realise that we'd lost everything. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
It's a reality, a harsh reality. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
We contacted Sharyn Grainger and John Nell from Holiday To Africa | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
to see if they could give us an explanation for what had happened. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
But as yet, we haven't heard from them. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Meanwhile the safari company - Dallago Tours - told us it's | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
"still owed 3,020" despite the "never ending promises from Sharyn". | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
And it's their dealings with Sharyn Grainger that, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
as well as their financial losses, have left the deepest | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
impression on Victoria and Mike. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
I know there's lots of companies out there that are corrupt | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
and, you know, nasty, horrible people. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
But somebody that was actually so personally involved with us, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
how she could lie to that extent... | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Our travel expert Simon Calder has flown, sailed, driven | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
and indeed cycled to thousands of destinations all over the world. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
So we asked him to let us in on some of his top secrets, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
this time - Amsterdam. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
The Dutch capital is all about canals, culture and cafes. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
And it's fantastically easy to get around | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
thanks to a busy network of trams. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
So Simon has a great tip on how to keep those travel costs down. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
My tip for a weekend stay is to buy the 12 euro, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
48-hour unlimited travel ticket. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Savings begin after just four journeys. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Amsterdam has some of Europe's finest museums - | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
the Rijksmuseum, the Van Gogh and Anne Frank House. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
But beware, it may take some time to get through their doors. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
The queues are notorious - | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
there's even a picture of one | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
going right around the block on one museum's website! | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
You can jump the queue by booking tickets in advance through | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
the official museum websites. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
But you may need to specify a precise entry time. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
But when you're searching online for tickets in advance, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
beware of scam sites, they might promise discount admission, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
but then end up charging you full price, and adding a surcharge. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
Hurry up! | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
For a fabulous little river trip, take the ferry that shuttles | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
across the IJ River, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
from the dock behind Amsterdam Centraal station. It runs all | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
day, every day, and it's free, giving you a fresh perspective | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
on the city's skyline and some photos from a different angle. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Finally, there's one way to see Amsterdam that Simon would | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
always recommend. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
I cycle everywhere, but in Amsterdam, it's especially easy because | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
everything is geared up for cycling and the city is as flat as pancake. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
And besides providing an excellent way to appreciate this fine city, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
cycling is also very good value, with bike hire | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
starting at under ten euros a day, try it! | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
I guess that in all areas of life, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
the best-laid plans can come unstuck. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
And that's no different with your holiday. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
No matter how carefully you may have arranged | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
and planned everything, something just might happen that means | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
you have to change, perhaps even cancel all of your arrangements. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
Buy something from a shop and if you change your mind - | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
depending on their returns policy - | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
they may take it back and give a refund. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
But that simply doesn't apply to products that are | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
personalised or customer specific, including holidays, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
which means you're at the mercy | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
of each company's terms and conditions. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
As Jean and Win Carnall from Wimbledon discovered | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
when they tried cancelling a booking that they'd made | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
so they could go to the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
We spend a lot of time since we've retired watching sport. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
We went a lot to the Olympic Games, and the Paralympics, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and thought it would be great to be up in Glasgow. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
They were delighted to find a room in Glasgow's easyHotel - | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
part of the easyGroup, most famous for easyJet. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
But a month before their reservation, Jean and Win got | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
a phone call from relatives in Glasgow with a better offer - | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
a place for them to stay during the games...for nothing! | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
So, Jean and Win followed the advice on easyHotel's | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
website on cancelling the room, paying a £10 fee. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
I did it straightaway, it was one click. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
The website's very straightforward. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
The cancellation process appeared to be as EASY | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
as the company name suggested. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
So, satisfied that the refund would soon appear in their bank account, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
the couple thought nothing more about it... | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
until that is, they were about to leave for Glasgow. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
I suddenly thought, "I don't remember seeing our refund." | 0:34:12 | 0:34:19 | |
And so I asked Win to check, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
and there was no sign of the money. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
Puzzled as to why their refund hadn't arrived, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Jean looked more closely at easyHotel's terms and conditions. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
And while these stated that the refund would be made to her | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
ACCOUNT, they didn't explain exactly which account that meant. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
I realised that my account meant my account with them. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
In order to book the hotel room online, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Jean and Win had created an easyHotel account. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
And it was THIS account, not their bank account, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
to which their refund had been sent. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
Now, that meant the £228 they were due could only be | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
redeemed against future bookings with easyHotel - and only within | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
12 months - which Jean didn't really consider a true refund at all. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
I thought it was outrageous. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
I couldn't see how in the world they could have tied up their terms | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
and conditions that they could keep my money. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
When we checked the same small print as Jean and Win, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
it said refunds would be made to "your account," | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
so we could see why the couple thought it was unclear. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
And it seems that easyHotel thought the same, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
because since we filmed this case, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
the small print has been changed, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
and it now says money will be credited | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
"to your easyHotel Account". | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
EasyHotel told us its terms and conditions | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
"are under constant review" and it's "sorry if there was any confusion". | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
As a "gesture of goodwill", it's offered the couple | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
an "additional night for free" on top of their next booking. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
And though Jean and Win appreciate the gesture, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
they'd much rather have had their refund in cash, thank you very much. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
But when it comes to feeling they've been short changed | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
by a cancellation policy, they're in good company. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
Bruce Crawcour from Shropshire had quite a battle with | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
one of the biggest names in travel after he had no choice but to cancel | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
his holiday just six days before he and his wife were due to depart. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
We booked through Thomson's and we booked to fly with them, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
their own airline, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:35 | |
and going to Majorca. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
In addition to the holiday, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
I had booked to have a private taxi transfer from the Palma | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
airport to the hotel and return, to make life a bit easier for us. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
The whole cost, including the taxi transfer, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
was £2,256, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
of which £152 was for the taxi transfer. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
But in between the time of booking and departure, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
Bruce's wife, Kay, was admitted to hospital. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
We saw a GP. He confirmed that she was not fit to travel | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
and I telephoned Thomson customer services to cancel the holiday. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
I had expected that I would have to pay the base cost of the holiday | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
because I cancelled within the final 14-days period. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
But although reluctantly reconciled to losing most of his money, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
there was at least one cost that Bruce expected back in full. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
I did ask them specifically if they would cancel the taxi, because | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
that was an add-on and it did seem to me to be easy for them to do it. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
When I cancelled the holiday, Thomson made absolutely clear | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
that from their point of view, they were keeping all the money | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
that had been paid and they weren't prepared to reach any compromise. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Taken aback by Thomson's stance, Bruce did some digging. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
He discovered that the refusal to refund him | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
any of his holiday was because the company could argue | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
they were unable to resell any part of it at such short notice. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
So he decided to put it to the test. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I actually went onto Thomson's own website | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
and, through their own availability services, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
I checked to see whether the flights were available or not. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
I found within 24 hours, the flights had disappeared from availability, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
so they'd obviously resold them. I found within four days, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
the room type at the hotel had disappeared from availability, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
so they'd either resold that or they'd handed it back to the hotel. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
Package holiday regulations state that cancellation fees should not | 0:38:29 | 0:38:35 | |
be set at a higher level than | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
the actual losses a company has incurred. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
And Bruce believes that as Thomson had managed to | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
re-sell his holiday, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:43 | |
they hadn't actually lost anything. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
I then contacted the managing director of TUI. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
TUI are the company that own Thomson | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
and a number of the other major holiday brands. And... | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
I said to him that I believed that he'd made no loss on my holiday. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
They said that they thought their terms were clear, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
to which I said, "They may be clear, that does not stop them | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
"being unfair under the terms of the regulations." | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
So Bruce challenged TUI's argument by taking the company to court. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
Throughout this process, I decided that I was going to act | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
for myself in it. When we actually got to the court hearing itself, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
initially I was slightly nervous because it's the first time | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
I'd ever done anything like that, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
but, you know, if you know your facts, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
you soon become more confident when you're presenting to the court. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
And Bruce's tenacity paid off. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
The judge agreed that as TUI had resold his holiday, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
it didn't suffer any financial loss | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and instructed the company to refund the full cost of the holiday | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
and pay all the costs. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
I was pleased because, actually, I thought it was quite | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
a significant achievement. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
By this point, Bruce's travel insurance had already paid out | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
for the cost of the holiday. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
But he'd continued with the court case as a matter of principle. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
And when he won, he gave the insurers their money back. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Sadly, throughout all this, the health of Bruce's wife, Kay, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
had continued to deteriorate, and she died three months later. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
My wife supported what I was doing in the case throughout, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
because she, like I, thought that the way the holiday companies | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
were acting was very unjust. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
The industry has been quick to stress this case does NOT set | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
a precedent. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
And when we spoke to Thomson, it told us that whilst it understood | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
the "difficult circumstances" around Bruce's cancellation, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
it was "surprised and disappointed by the outcome of the case." | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
The company went on to say that it | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
"regularly reviews its cancellation policy" | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
so that it can take into account | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
the "reasonable estimate of the loss" that it will suffer. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
But Bruce hopes his victory may encourage others to take | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
a similar stand. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:06 | |
This case wasn't about me any more. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
But what I knew I was doing was I was establishing a case | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
which potentially | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
would be of value to everybody | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
who booked package holidays in the future. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
more of your stories, and not just about holidays. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Are you confused over your bills | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
or do you feel that you're paying over the odds? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
I begrudge having to pay that kind of money out. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
If people are buying into this, I did, you know. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
And are they going to be as awkward with them as they were with me? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
the mistakes you made with us so that other people don't do the same. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
-I'm more wise now, but I was taken in. -Yeah. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
Or send us an e-mail to... | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
Well, a huge thanks to everyone who's shared their story | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
with us today. And of course, that's what this programme is all about. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
Now, some of those cases are a real reminder that however much | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
effort you put into the planning of your holiday, things can and do go | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
wrong - usually because of factors completely outside your control. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
And that's when you get a pretty good idea of the level | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
of customer service that some companies can offer. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
And I have to say that in some of the stories that we've seen today, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
some of those businesses have not exactly covered themselves in glory! | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
But I tell you what it is does prove - that if you think you've got | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
a case that's worth pursuing, keep at it, don't give up, even if | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
there are times when you think that perhaps you're not getting anywhere. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Absolutely. Take it as far as you can. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
And if all else fails, bring it to us. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
We do love to help. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
And at the very least, your experience might help prevent | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
others from ending up in the same boat. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
But that's all we've got time for today. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
We'll be back to investigate more of your stories very soon, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
so until then from all of us... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
-ALL: -Adios! | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 |