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We asked you who's left you feeling

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ripped off when it comes to your holidays,

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and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters.

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We said, "No, we're going to stick with this

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"and try to get something done about it."

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When you're on holidays, you don't want to fight with people,

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you just want to enjoy it.

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So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake

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or a catch in the small print, we'll find out why you're

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out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories. Your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello. And in this case, literally a very warm welcome to

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Rip-Off Britain, where once again, we're getting

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a taste of winter sunshine in the Canary Islands.

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This time, we're going to be looking at more of the travel

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and holiday stories that you've asked us to investigate.

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And I'm afraid to say, it is a catalogue of disasters.

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But we'll be trying to get to the bottom of it all today!

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But sadly, those stories keep cropping up again

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and again, don't they?

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And do you know what makes it so bad in this case?

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In every one of the stories that we'll be hearing about,

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things went wrong not because of anything the holiday-makers did.

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At the root of every problem was something

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that someone else had got wrong.

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So as well as trying to unpick exactly what happened,

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we'll be seeing if our intervention can help get any of those

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situations resolved.

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Coming up... The holiday club where membership came with

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a clear-cut money back guarantee.

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So why have members not had it?

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I've done everything right. We've paid for it, we want it back.

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And why this man took his battle with one of the biggest

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names in travel to court...and won.

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This case wasn't about me any more. I was establishing a case

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which potentially would be of value to everybody.

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Five and a half million Brits holiday in America every year,

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and all most of them

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should have to do is fill in a simple online form before they fly.

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But when one family from Hertfordshire were getting

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ready to set off on their latest of many stateside trips last year,

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they found the doors very firmly closed.

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They were persona non grata, thanks to a simple mistake that took

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months to unravel.

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15-year-old Max Fell dreams of becoming a pilot one day.

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I'm really interested in aviation, and it's something I've been

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reading about and following in the news for a long time.

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Every year, the Fells go to Florida for their summer holiday.

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They've been going for the last ten years.

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And on the most recent trip they booked, there was

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going to be a special treat for Max.

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We were particularly looking forward to going on holiday this time

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because me were meant to be flying on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner,

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which would be an extra highlight for us.

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But the real thrills on the family's annual trips come

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when the plane lands in Florida itself.

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We really enjoy going to the theme parks,

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we like visiting the coast, we like eating out...

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It's a really varied holiday and something for all of us to do.

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For most Brits, travelling to the US is relatively hassle-free.

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If you hold a UK passport, you're entitled to a visa waiver,

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allowing you into America as a tourist for up to 90 days

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without needing to get a full visa.

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Instead, you apply for what's called the Electronic System

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for Travel Authorization, better known as an ESTA.

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It'll last for two years. But when Mark and Sally set about

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booking their latest trip, theirs had expired.

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So they needed new ones.

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We did our ESTA application online as normal.

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Approval didn't come back immediately,

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but that was nothing out of the ordinary.

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It's normally just a basic thing that we go through.

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But this time, the family was in for a shock.

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When they checked the next day,

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although Mark and Max's ESTAs had been approved, Sally's had not.

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And no explanation was given.

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At the time I felt really surprised, really shocked.

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I couldn't think why there was a problem.

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I wondered whether we'd made a mistake

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when we'd done our applications online.

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Unfortunately, there's no way of going back

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and checking the information that you've put in.

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Reasons why an ESTA may be declined include the following -

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previously working illegally in the US, suspected of being

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an intended immigrant or "suspected of being a terrorist."

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None of which applied to any of the Fell family.

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We definitely weren't terrorists, we had no criminal convictions,

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we couldn't think what the problem was and we were extremely worried.

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Mark and Sally contacted US Customs for an explanation.

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And it turned out the American authorities believed that on her

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last visit, Sally had stayed longer than the three months allowed.

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They had her departure date down as the 8th of November, 2012, rather

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than the actual date, which had been the 11th of August!

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But to Sally's dismay, raising the issue only resulted in Mark

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and Max's ESTAs now being rejected, too!

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And she couldn't convince anyone that there must have been a mistake.

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I tried to explain that to the gentleman on the phone.

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He refused to discuss the matter any further, saying

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we needed to get proof from UK Immigration that we had

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returned to the United Kingdom in August the previous year.

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With time fast running out before they were due to fly,

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the family frantically set about finding evidence to

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prove their previous visit to the States had only lasted two weeks.

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Having being recorded as overstaying in the United States would

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have serious consequences for all of our family for the future.

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Once this is on your records, it means that travel to the

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United States is prohibited.

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In a panic, Mark and Sally considered applying for a full visa,

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but found the process couldn't be completed in time for their holiday.

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They also contacted ABTA, the Association of British Travel Agents,

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who asked the tour operator the family had flown with last time

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to provide the necessary evidence to sort out the date mix-up.

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They said they were dealing with the matter, however they could not

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give us any details of who they'd spoken to in the United States.

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Eventually, the mystery was solved,

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but the family could hardly believe the explanation.

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They'd flown back last time from Sanford Airport in Orlando,

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where it emerged that the computer system,

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supplied by a British company, had recently been modified.

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And for a few days afterwards,

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it had been recording dates in the British format,

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whereas the Americans would write

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the day and the month the other way around,

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which is why the family's correct departure date of the 11th of August,

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ie - 11-8, had been interpreted as the 8th of November

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by the Americans.

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We found it quite unbelievable that just the month

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and the date being transferred could have such

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an impact on our future travel plans

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and that no-one was willing to

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correct what was such a basic error and something so easy to rectify.

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Finally, the family were given their ESTAs.

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But sad to say, it was too late.

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They'd already missed their departure date.

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And if that wasn't bad enough, their insurance company refused to

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cover them for the holiday they'd missed out on...because it doesn't

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include visa issues in its list of valid reasons for cancellation.

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We both work extremely hard, we save hard all year, we look forward

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to a holiday with our family. We felt absolutely desperate, we

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really don't know what else we could have done to prevent this happening.

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In total, the couple lost over £3,000 on flights

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and over £450 on accommodation.

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They'd also spent £40 on phone calls to America,

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trying to sort everything out,

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all because of a mistake that wasn't their fault at all.

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If simply our records could have been corrected,

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we could have travelled, we needn't have seen Max's disappointment,

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we needn't have lost our holiday, we needn't have lost all our money

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that we'd worked hard for all year.

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But when we contacted Thomson, who the family had been due to

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fly with, there was good news.

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The company told us that though its terms and conditions don't

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allow compensation to cover...

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..as a "gesture of good will",

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it has offered the family flights for their next trip to Florida,

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up to the value of their original purchase.

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We also got in touch with Orlando Sanford Airport, who confirmed

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that a "programming error," quickly fixed, had led to the mix-up.

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It says the Department of Homeland Security should have amended

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the flight data, but "apparently this was not the case".

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So the airport, too, have offered the family a goodwill gesture -

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complimentary use of the VIP Lounge next time they fly through Sanford.

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And though all that's very welcome,

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Max and Sally are still out of pocket

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as well as frustrated that a mistake not down to them

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took as long as it did to resolve.

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The situation was ridiculous because we hadn't done anything wrong.

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The fact we lost our holiday was avoidable,

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which in a way, makes the whole situation worse.

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Now, many of you visiting a resort like this may well in the past

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have been approached by someone

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offering you an exciting chance to win a free holiday.

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The only catch is - you'd have to listen to a presentation

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about an investment opportunity apparently just too good to miss.

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And for the people who signed up to one particular deal - based around

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what seemed a pretty clear-cut, money-back guarantee - it really did

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sound like they'd found something they'd be mad to turn down.

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But I'm afraid, ten years on, that key,

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central promise has in many cases spectacularly failed to come true.

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Philip and Lynn Clipson's trip to Lanzarote back in 2001

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had been their first foreign holiday for 30 years,

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and they'd arranged it for a very special reason.

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I wanted to arrange something for our 30th wedding anniversary,

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It was lovely to get on a plane again, after all that time.

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As soon as you land at the airport,

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the warmth when you come out the airport, wonderful.

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The rest of their holiday was wonderful as well.

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And towards the end, they were offered an intriguing proposal.

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We were walking in the local resort of Costa Teguise,

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where we were staying, and a guy approached in the street.

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And he said, "Would you be interested in a scratchcard here? You know,

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"it might be well worth your time."

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Obviously, we scratched the card and, "Oh, you've won!"

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Oh, surprise, surprise(!)

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"Well, if you want to claim your prize," he said,

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"you've got to go over to where our operation headquarters is.

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"There's no catch!"

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When they walked into the offices of the rep's employer -

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Club Select Holidays -

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they were told the prize was a week's free stay in a hotel.

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But before they could claim it, the company would like to tell them

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about a new opportunity to join their holiday club.

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It was quite exciting, really,

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because it seemed to offer good class quality

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accommodation on holiday, throughout the world and at discounted prices.

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All they had to do was pay a lump sum of £3,330 up-front,

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and an annual membership fee of £15.

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But best of all -

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they could get almost £4,000 cashback after ten years.

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We thought surely this can be too good to be true, really, surely.

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How can any holiday firm offer something like this?

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So, with a free week away, discounted holidays

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and a money-back guarantee,

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Philip and Lynn were persuaded it was virtually risk-free.

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The only concern at the back of my mind was, I said to myself,

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"Well, will this firm still exist in ten years' time?

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"Will it have disappeared off the face of the earth?"

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And that was my concern.

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Not wanting to fully commit on the spot, Philip and Lynn paid a £500

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deposit and took all the paperwork away to read when they got home.

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We checked everything out

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and thought, "Well, this company does exist - they're in the telephone

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"directory, they're online." We didn't think there'd be a problem.

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So, reassured, the couple signed up to Club Select's holiday club

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and paid the next instalment of the £3,300 membership fee.

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It was quite clear that, provided they diligently paid every

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one of their annual fees - in ten years' time, they'd be able

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to cash in their bond of guarantee and get their money back.

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And in the intervening years they could take as many discounted

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holidays as they could afford. Looking at all the choices,

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Philip and Lynn were sure that they'd made the right decision.

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"This looks great!" You know, we pored through them to see

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what was available.

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Their first trip with the club was to Gran Canaria, to take up

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the free hotel stay they'd won when they signed up.

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All we had to do was find the cost of the flights.

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It was a fantastic holiday.

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The accommodation that was on offer was wonderful, it was en-suite.

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We had a lovely view from our room. We couldn't have asked for more.

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But once they'd paid the final instalment of the £3,300 membership

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fee, they didn't always find booking future holidays straightforward,

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because the accommodation they were offered was only available

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on specific days.

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Unfortunately, when we started looking for flights,

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we found it was quite difficult.

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Very often, from a work point of view, it was difficult fitting

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in the times to fit in with the holidays that were available to us.

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So, Philip and Lynn didn't take any more Club Select holidays.

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But that didn't worry them because they knew that, in 2012,

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they'd be able to cash in their bond and get their membership money back.

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In the meantime, all they had to do was to remember to pay

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the £15 annual fee.

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But Philip has got a great eye for detail, and had carefully mapped out

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when each payment needed to happen.

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So, in January, 2012, with all the fees paid,

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he put in a claim for the £4,000

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that he and Lynn's bond stated they were entitled to.

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But when Club Select replied, it wasn't to sort out paying the cash.

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I read the letter and...

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there were excuses in there from the company saying, "Well, you haven't

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"fulfilled the terms of the bond, you haven't paid the membership fees.

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"If you can prove to us that you have, we will reconsider."

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Club Select claimed the Clipsons had not paid their £15

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annual membership in 2002 and 2006.

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But Philip had proof that he had.

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A bank statement from 2006 and a 2002 e-mail from Club Select

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confirmed that year's fee

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had been included in his initial bond payment.

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I thought, "Well, I've got the information that you require

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"regarding the so-called unpaid membership fees."

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But Club Select refused to accept Philip's proof.

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All they were willing to do was to make a lower offer -

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just half of the amount he was entitled to.

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I was angry, I know Lynn was very angry,

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and I said, "I'm not having this."

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And when Philip did a search online, he discovered he wasn't

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the only member of Club Select to have difficulty getting their money.

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I suddenly found other people

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who were having exactly the same problems

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and were asking advice - what could they do, where could they go to?

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Over the years, we've heard plenty of complaints about holiday clubs,

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and so has Jane Negus from the UK European Consumer Centre,

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who says in situations like this, they can offer free help and advice.

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Philip's story is familiar to us.

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We obviously get a lot of complaints about the holiday club business.

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We will actually take your paperwork, will look over it,

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will look over all the terms and conditions that were there.

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Then what we will do is we will actually ask our centre in that

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appropriate country to actually contact the business on your behalf.

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What they will do is, they'll see

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if they can mediate to try and get a resolution that will put

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you in the position you want to be, which is to have your money.

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We contacted Club Select Holidays, who are based in Lanzarote,

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to ask why Philip hasn't yet been paid the money he's due.

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So far, they haven't replied.

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But Philip and Lynn haven't given up hope that they may one day

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get their £4,000 back.

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I've done everything right.

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We're honest to people

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and hopefully they are honest with us back.

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We know business isn't always like that, but we do hope that people

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can treat us as proper people. We've paid for it, we want it back.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain...

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An ultimatum in the middle

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of the wilderness -

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"Hand over more cash...or your safari is over."

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I know there's lots of companies out there that are corrupt

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but somebody that was actually so personally involved with us,

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how she could lie to that extent.

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We took Rip-Off Britain out on the road.

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This time, to the West Midlands.

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This shopping centre is teeming! The stores are all packed,

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and so is our Pop Up Shop.

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Our travel experts were on hand to answer as many of your holiday

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problems as they could.

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And outside the shop, in our gripe corner,

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you came in your droves

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to tell us about the holiday horrors that annoy you the most.

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I find travel insurance a massive rip-off.

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I get really annoyed.

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My husband and I are over 65

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and because of that, we have

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to pay triple what of most people have to pay.

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We're a family of five.

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It's really difficult to get a hotel room

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to fit the five of us in, so we have to get ripped off

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and pay the price for two rooms.

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Back inside, Joyce Davies

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and Rob Lovell came to see Simon Calder after realising too

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late that the website they'd used to sort out the visas they needed

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to visit Turkey wasn't the best place for them to have done that.

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We thought, "Oh, this doesn't sound right."

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We phoned up, cancelled them. But unfortunately,

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we can't hear back from the company -

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they just won't reply to any e-mails that we've sent.

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-Had you paid money?

-Yeah.

-Paid by a credit card.

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-How much?

-£313.

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For how many visas?

0:19:020:19:03

-Eight.

-For eight visas.

-For eight visas!

0:19:030:19:05

-That's nearly £40 each.

-Yeah.

0:19:050:19:07

'It used to be that you could get a Turkish visa at the airport,

0:19:070:19:11

'but all of that has changed.'

0:19:110:19:12

Right. I'm so sorry, here's what's happened.

0:19:120:19:15

As you know, the Turkish government decided, "We're not going to do

0:19:150:19:19

"the jolly old stamp your passport, go and stand over there"

0:19:190:19:22

when you've got off your plane.

0:19:220:19:24

"We'll charge you £10, put the stamp in, off you go."

0:19:240:19:27

Oh, no!

0:19:270:19:28

"We are going to bring a new Turkish visa that you get electronically."

0:19:280:19:32

Funny enough, as they say,

0:19:320:19:35

here's one I prepared earlier

0:19:350:19:37

because I really thought this story would come up.

0:19:370:19:40

That's a genuine electronic visa.

0:19:400:19:43

Genuine e-visas are best bought through the official Turkish

0:19:430:19:46

government website. But as Joyce and Rob have discovered,

0:19:460:19:49

there are plenty of sites

0:19:490:19:51

hoping that you'll unwittingly pay extra to get one through them.

0:19:510:19:54

There are companies out there that think,

0:19:540:19:57

"We know how to make a fast buck. What we will do is set up a site

0:19:570:20:01

"and pay the search engine to be at the top of the listing."

0:20:010:20:04

And they will charge you, now let me think...

0:20:040:20:06

They're charging about three, three and a half times the price.

0:20:060:20:09

The only thing to do, I think,

0:20:090:20:11

is - first of all, put it down to experience -

0:20:110:20:14

secondly, have you get any visas through yet?

0:20:140:20:17

-No.

-We've ended up with one.

0:20:170:20:19

We haven't printed it.

0:20:190:20:20

-Right, OK.

-One has arrived, but none of the others have.

-Look.

0:20:200:20:24

I don't know whether you are going to get any more of the visas

0:20:240:20:27

through, but most certainly, for all the people who

0:20:270:20:30

haven't yet got them, I would be going online

0:20:300:20:33

spending ten minutes putting all the same information in again,

0:20:330:20:36

paying 20 per person,

0:20:360:20:38

so about £12 or £13, and then you'll get this.

0:20:380:20:41

Now, when you've handed over your money for something,

0:20:450:20:47

you expect you're going to get it. And that's especially true

0:20:470:20:51

if you've forked out thousands of pounds for a holiday.

0:20:510:20:53

But here's a really dreadful case of how one couple's trip

0:20:530:20:56

unravelled in pretty dramatic fashion.

0:20:560:20:58

And by the time they discovered the truth about the company

0:20:580:21:01

they'd booked with, it was not only way too late,

0:21:010:21:04

but they were miles from anywhere - out in the middle of the wilderness.

0:21:040:21:07

The combination of breathtaking scenery and the excitement

0:21:100:21:13

of spotting some of the rarest animals in the world is why Mike

0:21:130:21:17

and Victoria Lombard have always enjoyed safaris when they go away.

0:21:170:21:21

Safaris, for me, are just the ultimate holiday.

0:21:210:21:24

It lets the stress of life go. And the best part is just to go

0:21:240:21:29

and sit quietly and then you just see the whole place around you

0:21:290:21:33

comes to life.

0:21:330:21:35

But the couple wanted their next safari, to Kenya,

0:21:370:21:40

to be really different, something tailor-made just for them.

0:21:400:21:43

After searching online, Victoria came across a company called

0:21:430:21:47

Holiday To Africa, co-run by a woman called Sharyn Grainger.

0:21:470:21:51

It seemed to offer exactly the bespoke kind of holiday

0:21:510:21:54

the couple were after.

0:21:540:21:56

A fantastic website, you know, beautiful...beautiful layout -

0:21:560:22:00

beautiful pictures, beautiful stories, testimonials all there.

0:22:000:22:04

Everything looked absolutely perfect.

0:22:040:22:07

Holiday to Africa also boasted of being a member

0:22:100:22:13

of the Travel Trust Association, which gives 100% financial cover

0:22:130:22:17

so that consumers are protected if the travel company goes bust.

0:22:170:22:20

And Mike and Victoria were impressed by the personal service

0:22:200:22:23

that Sharyn Grainger provided.

0:22:230:22:26

She was almost like a friend by that stage.

0:22:260:22:29

We trusted her that it was all going to be OK, amazing.

0:22:290:22:33

So Mike and Victoria went ahead and booked their trip

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with Holiday To Africa, paying nearly 6,000 US dollars

0:22:370:22:41

by direct bank transfer.

0:22:410:22:42

We work exceptionally hard and that's what we deserved and...

0:22:440:22:47

well I'd been certainly looking forward to it for the six months

0:22:470:22:51

that it took to plan it. So by that stage,

0:22:510:22:55

you're just dying to go and enjoy the whole experience.

0:22:550:22:59

When they finally set off in October,

0:23:010:23:03

it seemed that was exactly what was going to happen.

0:23:030:23:07

So, we arrived in Nairobi and we went to a lovely hotel.

0:23:070:23:12

And then we were picked up by the driver in the morning -

0:23:120:23:15

lovely guy, he was so nice.

0:23:150:23:17

He drove us to the first National Park,

0:23:170:23:20

which was called Samburu.

0:23:200:23:22

I saw the leopard, which was one of my goals,

0:23:220:23:25

It was absolutely stunning.

0:23:250:23:26

So that was a really amazing experience.

0:23:260:23:30

But five days into their seven-night trip, their driver

0:23:320:23:35

and tour guide delivered some bad news.

0:23:350:23:38

He told them that the Kenyan tour operator he worked for -

0:23:380:23:41

a business called Dallago Tours and Safaris Limited -

0:23:410:23:44

hadn't been paid by Sharyn at Holiday To Africa.

0:23:440:23:47

As a result, unless Mike and Victoria could pay up there

0:23:470:23:51

and then, they would be immediately driven back to Nairobi.

0:23:510:23:54

Mike agreed to speak to their driver's boss.

0:23:540:23:57

I had that sinking feeling because it's not often the boss wants

0:23:570:24:02

to speak with you unless there's usually a problem.

0:24:020:24:05

So I got on the telephone to him and he said to me,

0:24:050:24:08

"Look, I can't take you any further on your tour."

0:24:080:24:12

And I said, "Why?"

0:24:120:24:15

And he said, "Well, I haven't been paid."

0:24:150:24:17

-I felt so sick.

-Oh, yeah, you just feel...

0:24:170:24:20

-And I tried so hard not to cry.

-Yep.

0:24:200:24:22

But it was just devastating.

0:24:220:24:24

Their driver said they could stay in the bush one more night,

0:24:260:24:30

but only on condition that they handed over 650.

0:24:300:24:34

We were in the middle of Kenya,

0:24:360:24:38

and he said, "Well, you're not going

0:24:380:24:40

"any further until you pay us the money."

0:24:400:24:42

We didn't really know him,

0:24:420:24:43

and we had to hand that money over to him.

0:24:430:24:46

We're in a vehicle with him and we'd just given him all that cash.

0:24:460:24:50

The couple got on the phone to Sharyn at Holiday To Africa

0:24:500:24:54

to find out what was going on.

0:24:540:24:56

She reassured them that everything would be fine and that the money

0:24:560:25:00

would be paid to the tour operator within a few hours.

0:25:000:25:04

Sharyn just kept saying that there had been an error on her bank

0:25:040:25:07

account and she was waiting for some funds from America.

0:25:070:25:11

But come the morning, there was still no sign of the payment.

0:25:110:25:16

Unnerved by what was going on,

0:25:160:25:18

Mike and Victoria were driven back to Nairobi to meet the boss

0:25:180:25:21

of Dallago Tours to try and sort things out.

0:25:210:25:24

So we were trying to remain calm.

0:25:250:25:27

Dallago Tours is run from...

0:25:270:25:30

-a house in...

-A suburb.

-..in a suburb.

0:25:300:25:34

So we start getting into this gated community,

0:25:340:25:36

where there's all barbed wire, there's security guys on the gates.

0:25:360:25:40

And all of a sudden, we turn off.

0:25:400:25:43

You know, there's a security guy there.

0:25:430:25:45

-He's got a gun.

-He's got a gun.

0:25:450:25:47

He's got an automatic weapon on his shoulder,

0:25:470:25:49

-so now we're going to this house.

-And we drive into a private house!

0:25:490:25:52

-At that point, I was just terrified.

-Yeah.

0:25:520:25:56

When they met Nick Kariuki, the director of Dallago Tours,

0:25:560:26:00

all the couple could do was explain that none of this was their fault.

0:26:000:26:04

They had paid Sharyn at Holiday To Africa,

0:26:040:26:06

but it seemed she hadn't passed that money on.

0:26:060:26:09

Yeah, he said, "Come here, sit down."

0:26:090:26:11

And he sat down in his office. He's on the other side of the desk,

0:26:110:26:14

-going, "You know, I haven't been paid."

-He wanted his money!

0:26:140:26:17

But also at the same time, he was pretty insistent that he was

0:26:170:26:21

going to get his money, and that was what was going to happen.

0:26:210:26:25

The couple simply couldn't afford to pay for their holiday a second time.

0:26:250:26:30

And with no sign that Sharyn was going to pass on the money they'd

0:26:300:26:33

already paid, they felt they had no choice but to cut their holiday

0:26:330:26:36

short and spend over £200 on changing their flights home.

0:26:360:26:41

But as soon as they landed in the UK,

0:26:410:26:43

they were determined to get answers from Sharyn at Holiday To Africa.

0:26:430:26:47

We arrive back at Heathrow and we decide, "Well, we might as well

0:26:470:26:51

"just go to these offices and then confront Sharyn

0:26:510:26:55

"and find out, you know, what's going on."

0:26:550:26:57

So we jump in the car and we drive over to Maidstone. And of course,

0:26:570:27:01

we can find the road but not the house number...

0:27:010:27:06

Nothing quite...

0:27:060:27:09

Added up.

0:27:090:27:10

And we've been knocking on lots of doors because it's sort of half an

0:27:100:27:15

address. And the last one, we were just about to give up,

0:27:150:27:18

and Mike said, "Oh, you go to this one."

0:27:180:27:20

So I went to the door

0:27:200:27:21

to knock on the door and this man answered the door.

0:27:210:27:25

And he started talking to me in either a Zimbabwean or South African

0:27:250:27:29

accent. And I thought to myself, "I've spoken to this person before."

0:27:290:27:33

Victoria was right.

0:27:350:27:37

The man was John Nell,

0:27:370:27:39

who was Sharyn's co-director at Holiday To Africa.

0:27:390:27:41

Mike and Victoria demanded not only an explanation,

0:27:410:27:45

but compensation for what they'd been through.

0:27:450:27:47

And although at the time, John did suggest they would get a refund,

0:27:470:27:51

they heard nothing further from the company,

0:27:510:27:53

and didn't receive a penny.

0:27:530:27:55

They hoped that the fact that the Travel Trust Association's

0:27:550:27:58

logo was on the Holiday To Africa website might throw them a lifeline.

0:27:580:28:02

Unfortunately, it turned out that wasn't the case

0:28:040:28:08

and actually the logo had been used sort of incorrectly.

0:28:080:28:12

And we phoned the Travel Trust and they said that she had applied

0:28:120:28:16

for membership but never actually taken it on.

0:28:160:28:20

The Travel Trust Association confirmed to us

0:28:200:28:23

that Holiday To Africa had no authority to use the TTA logo,

0:28:230:28:27

and doing so was "misleading and fraudulent".

0:28:270:28:30

And because Holiday To Africa had never genuinely been a member,

0:28:300:28:34

there is no financial protection available to Victoria and Mike.

0:28:340:28:38

Holiday To Africa has now been dissolved.

0:28:380:28:41

And despite the couple pursuing the company through a debt collection

0:28:410:28:44

agency, they have not been able to get any of their money back.

0:28:440:28:48

We were starting to realise that, you know, we'd been...

0:28:480:28:52

We're going to lose everything here.

0:28:520:28:54

We hadn't paid on a credit card,

0:28:540:28:56

we had no travel insurance in terms of protecting us for our holiday.

0:28:560:29:02

So we gradually started to realise that we'd lost everything.

0:29:020:29:06

It's a reality, a harsh reality.

0:29:060:29:08

We contacted Sharyn Grainger and John Nell from Holiday To Africa

0:29:100:29:13

to see if they could give us an explanation for what had happened.

0:29:130:29:17

But as yet, we haven't heard from them.

0:29:170:29:19

Meanwhile the safari company - Dallago Tours - told us it's

0:29:210:29:25

"still owed 3,020" despite the "never ending promises from Sharyn".

0:29:250:29:31

And it's their dealings with Sharyn Grainger that,

0:29:310:29:33

as well as their financial losses, have left the deepest

0:29:330:29:36

impression on Victoria and Mike.

0:29:360:29:39

I know there's lots of companies out there that are corrupt

0:29:390:29:43

and, you know, nasty, horrible people.

0:29:430:29:45

But somebody that was actually so personally involved with us,

0:29:450:29:49

how she could lie to that extent...

0:29:490:29:51

Our travel expert Simon Calder has flown, sailed, driven

0:29:590:30:03

and indeed cycled to thousands of destinations all over the world.

0:30:030:30:07

So we asked him to let us in on some of his top secrets,

0:30:070:30:11

this time - Amsterdam.

0:30:110:30:13

The Dutch capital is all about canals, culture and cafes.

0:30:150:30:19

And it's fantastically easy to get around

0:30:190:30:21

thanks to a busy network of trams.

0:30:210:30:23

So Simon has a great tip on how to keep those travel costs down.

0:30:230:30:27

My tip for a weekend stay is to buy the 12 euro,

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48-hour unlimited travel ticket.

0:30:340:30:37

Savings begin after just four journeys.

0:30:370:30:40

Amsterdam has some of Europe's finest museums -

0:30:420:30:44

the Rijksmuseum, the Van Gogh and Anne Frank House.

0:30:440:30:48

But beware, it may take some time to get through their doors.

0:30:480:30:52

The queues are notorious -

0:30:520:30:55

there's even a picture of one

0:30:550:30:56

going right around the block on one museum's website!

0:30:560:31:01

You can jump the queue by booking tickets in advance through

0:31:010:31:04

the official museum websites.

0:31:040:31:07

But you may need to specify a precise entry time.

0:31:070:31:10

But when you're searching online for tickets in advance,

0:31:100:31:14

beware of scam sites, they might promise discount admission,

0:31:140:31:19

but then end up charging you full price, and adding a surcharge.

0:31:190:31:24

Hurry up!

0:31:240:31:26

For a fabulous little river trip, take the ferry that shuttles

0:31:290:31:33

across the IJ River,

0:31:330:31:34

from the dock behind Amsterdam Centraal station. It runs all

0:31:340:31:39

day, every day, and it's free, giving you a fresh perspective

0:31:390:31:42

on the city's skyline and some photos from a different angle.

0:31:420:31:46

Finally, there's one way to see Amsterdam that Simon would

0:31:490:31:53

always recommend.

0:31:530:31:55

I cycle everywhere, but in Amsterdam, it's especially easy because

0:31:550:32:00

everything is geared up for cycling and the city is as flat as pancake.

0:32:000:32:05

And besides providing an excellent way to appreciate this fine city,

0:32:050:32:10

cycling is also very good value, with bike hire

0:32:100:32:14

starting at under ten euros a day, try it!

0:32:140:32:17

I guess that in all areas of life,

0:32:240:32:26

the best-laid plans can come unstuck.

0:32:260:32:28

And that's no different with your holiday.

0:32:280:32:30

No matter how carefully you may have arranged

0:32:300:32:33

and planned everything, something just might happen that means

0:32:330:32:36

you have to change, perhaps even cancel all of your arrangements.

0:32:360:32:41

Buy something from a shop and if you change your mind -

0:32:430:32:47

depending on their returns policy -

0:32:470:32:49

they may take it back and give a refund.

0:32:490:32:51

But that simply doesn't apply to products that are

0:32:510:32:54

personalised or customer specific, including holidays,

0:32:540:32:58

which means you're at the mercy

0:32:580:33:01

of each company's terms and conditions.

0:33:010:33:03

As Jean and Win Carnall from Wimbledon discovered

0:33:040:33:08

when they tried cancelling a booking that they'd made

0:33:080:33:10

so they could go to the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.

0:33:100:33:14

We spend a lot of time since we've retired watching sport.

0:33:140:33:18

We went a lot to the Olympic Games, and the Paralympics,

0:33:180:33:21

and thought it would be great to be up in Glasgow.

0:33:210:33:25

They were delighted to find a room in Glasgow's easyHotel -

0:33:250:33:29

part of the easyGroup, most famous for easyJet.

0:33:290:33:33

But a month before their reservation, Jean and Win got

0:33:330:33:37

a phone call from relatives in Glasgow with a better offer -

0:33:370:33:40

a place for them to stay during the games...for nothing!

0:33:400:33:43

So, Jean and Win followed the advice on easyHotel's

0:33:430:33:46

website on cancelling the room, paying a £10 fee.

0:33:460:33:51

I did it straightaway, it was one click.

0:33:510:33:53

The website's very straightforward.

0:33:530:33:56

The cancellation process appeared to be as EASY

0:33:570:34:00

as the company name suggested.

0:34:000:34:02

So, satisfied that the refund would soon appear in their bank account,

0:34:020:34:06

the couple thought nothing more about it...

0:34:060:34:09

until that is, they were about to leave for Glasgow.

0:34:090:34:12

I suddenly thought, "I don't remember seeing our refund."

0:34:120:34:19

And so I asked Win to check,

0:34:190:34:22

and there was no sign of the money.

0:34:220:34:25

Puzzled as to why their refund hadn't arrived,

0:34:270:34:30

Jean looked more closely at easyHotel's terms and conditions.

0:34:300:34:33

And while these stated that the refund would be made to her

0:34:330:34:37

ACCOUNT, they didn't explain exactly which account that meant.

0:34:370:34:42

I realised that my account meant my account with them.

0:34:420:34:47

In order to book the hotel room online,

0:34:480:34:50

Jean and Win had created an easyHotel account.

0:34:500:34:54

And it was THIS account, not their bank account,

0:34:540:34:57

to which their refund had been sent.

0:34:570:34:59

Now, that meant the £228 they were due could only be

0:34:590:35:03

redeemed against future bookings with easyHotel - and only within

0:35:030:35:07

12 months - which Jean didn't really consider a true refund at all.

0:35:070:35:12

I thought it was outrageous.

0:35:120:35:16

I couldn't see how in the world they could have tied up their terms

0:35:160:35:20

and conditions that they could keep my money.

0:35:200:35:22

When we checked the same small print as Jean and Win,

0:35:220:35:26

it said refunds would be made to "your account,"

0:35:260:35:30

so we could see why the couple thought it was unclear.

0:35:300:35:34

And it seems that easyHotel thought the same,

0:35:340:35:37

because since we filmed this case,

0:35:370:35:39

the small print has been changed,

0:35:390:35:41

and it now says money will be credited

0:35:410:35:43

"to your easyHotel Account".

0:35:430:35:46

EasyHotel told us its terms and conditions

0:35:480:35:51

"are under constant review" and it's "sorry if there was any confusion".

0:35:510:35:55

As a "gesture of goodwill", it's offered the couple

0:35:550:35:59

an "additional night for free" on top of their next booking.

0:35:590:36:03

And though Jean and Win appreciate the gesture,

0:36:060:36:08

they'd much rather have had their refund in cash, thank you very much.

0:36:080:36:12

But when it comes to feeling they've been short changed

0:36:120:36:14

by a cancellation policy, they're in good company.

0:36:140:36:19

Bruce Crawcour from Shropshire had quite a battle with

0:36:190:36:22

one of the biggest names in travel after he had no choice but to cancel

0:36:220:36:26

his holiday just six days before he and his wife were due to depart.

0:36:260:36:30

We booked through Thomson's and we booked to fly with them,

0:36:300:36:34

their own airline,

0:36:340:36:35

and going to Majorca.

0:36:350:36:37

In addition to the holiday,

0:36:370:36:39

I had booked to have a private taxi transfer from the Palma

0:36:390:36:44

airport to the hotel and return, to make life a bit easier for us.

0:36:440:36:48

The whole cost, including the taxi transfer,

0:36:500:36:53

was £2,256,

0:36:530:36:55

of which £152 was for the taxi transfer.

0:36:550:37:00

But in between the time of booking and departure,

0:37:000:37:02

Bruce's wife, Kay, was admitted to hospital.

0:37:020:37:05

We saw a GP. He confirmed that she was not fit to travel

0:37:050:37:10

and I telephoned Thomson customer services to cancel the holiday.

0:37:100:37:15

I had expected that I would have to pay the base cost of the holiday

0:37:150:37:19

because I cancelled within the final 14-days period.

0:37:190:37:22

But although reluctantly reconciled to losing most of his money,

0:37:240:37:27

there was at least one cost that Bruce expected back in full.

0:37:270:37:31

I did ask them specifically if they would cancel the taxi, because

0:37:310:37:35

that was an add-on and it did seem to me to be easy for them to do it.

0:37:350:37:39

When I cancelled the holiday, Thomson made absolutely clear

0:37:390:37:43

that from their point of view, they were keeping all the money

0:37:430:37:45

that had been paid and they weren't prepared to reach any compromise.

0:37:450:37:49

Taken aback by Thomson's stance, Bruce did some digging.

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He discovered that the refusal to refund him

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any of his holiday was because the company could argue

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they were unable to resell any part of it at such short notice.

0:38:010:38:05

So he decided to put it to the test.

0:38:050:38:08

I actually went onto Thomson's own website

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and, through their own availability services,

0:38:100:38:13

I checked to see whether the flights were available or not.

0:38:130:38:16

I found within 24 hours, the flights had disappeared from availability,

0:38:160:38:20

so they'd obviously resold them. I found within four days,

0:38:200:38:23

the room type at the hotel had disappeared from availability,

0:38:230:38:26

so they'd either resold that or they'd handed it back to the hotel.

0:38:260:38:29

Package holiday regulations state that cancellation fees should not

0:38:290:38:35

be set at a higher level than

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the actual losses a company has incurred.

0:38:360:38:38

And Bruce believes that as Thomson had managed to

0:38:380:38:42

re-sell his holiday,

0:38:420:38:43

they hadn't actually lost anything.

0:38:430:38:46

I then contacted the managing director of TUI.

0:38:460:38:50

TUI are the company that own Thomson

0:38:500:38:52

and a number of the other major holiday brands. And...

0:38:520:38:55

I said to him that I believed that he'd made no loss on my holiday.

0:38:560:39:00

They said that they thought their terms were clear,

0:39:000:39:04

to which I said, "They may be clear, that does not stop them

0:39:040:39:07

"being unfair under the terms of the regulations."

0:39:070:39:10

So Bruce challenged TUI's argument by taking the company to court.

0:39:120:39:17

Throughout this process, I decided that I was going to act

0:39:170:39:20

for myself in it. When we actually got to the court hearing itself,

0:39:200:39:24

initially I was slightly nervous because it's the first time

0:39:240:39:27

I'd ever done anything like that,

0:39:270:39:28

but, you know, if you know your facts,

0:39:280:39:31

you soon become more confident when you're presenting to the court.

0:39:310:39:35

And Bruce's tenacity paid off.

0:39:350:39:38

The judge agreed that as TUI had resold his holiday,

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it didn't suffer any financial loss

0:39:420:39:45

and instructed the company to refund the full cost of the holiday

0:39:450:39:49

and pay all the costs.

0:39:490:39:51

I was pleased because, actually, I thought it was quite

0:39:510:39:54

a significant achievement.

0:39:540:39:55

By this point, Bruce's travel insurance had already paid out

0:39:550:39:58

for the cost of the holiday.

0:39:580:40:00

But he'd continued with the court case as a matter of principle.

0:40:000:40:04

And when he won, he gave the insurers their money back.

0:40:040:40:07

Sadly, throughout all this, the health of Bruce's wife, Kay,

0:40:090:40:12

had continued to deteriorate, and she died three months later.

0:40:120:40:16

My wife supported what I was doing in the case throughout,

0:40:160:40:20

because she, like I, thought that the way the holiday companies

0:40:200:40:25

were acting was very unjust.

0:40:250:40:27

The industry has been quick to stress this case does NOT set

0:40:290:40:33

a precedent.

0:40:330:40:35

And when we spoke to Thomson, it told us that whilst it understood

0:40:350:40:38

the "difficult circumstances" around Bruce's cancellation,

0:40:380:40:42

it was "surprised and disappointed by the outcome of the case."

0:40:420:40:47

The company went on to say that it

0:40:470:40:49

"regularly reviews its cancellation policy"

0:40:490:40:52

so that it can take into account

0:40:520:40:54

the "reasonable estimate of the loss" that it will suffer.

0:40:540:40:58

But Bruce hopes his victory may encourage others to take

0:41:010:41:05

a similar stand.

0:41:050:41:06

This case wasn't about me any more.

0:41:060:41:08

But what I knew I was doing was I was establishing a case

0:41:080:41:12

which potentially

0:41:120:41:13

would be of value to everybody

0:41:130:41:16

who booked package holidays in the future.

0:41:160:41:18

Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate

0:41:270:41:30

more of your stories, and not just about holidays.

0:41:300:41:33

Are you confused over your bills

0:41:330:41:35

or do you feel that you're paying over the odds?

0:41:350:41:38

I begrudge having to pay that kind of money out.

0:41:380:41:41

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out

0:41:410:41:44

and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

0:41:440:41:47

If people are buying into this, I did, you know.

0:41:470:41:49

And are they going to be as awkward with them as they were with me?

0:41:490:41:52

You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share

0:41:520:41:55

the mistakes you made with us so that other people don't do the same.

0:41:550:41:59

-I'm more wise now, but I was taken in.

-Yeah.

0:41:590:42:02

You can write to us at...

0:42:020:42:03

Or send us an e-mail to...

0:42:120:42:14

The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:42:180:42:22

Well, a huge thanks to everyone who's shared their story

0:42:260:42:28

with us today. And of course, that's what this programme is all about.

0:42:280:42:32

Now, some of those cases are a real reminder that however much

0:42:320:42:35

effort you put into the planning of your holiday, things can and do go

0:42:350:42:39

wrong - usually because of factors completely outside your control.

0:42:390:42:44

And that's when you get a pretty good idea of the level

0:42:440:42:46

of customer service that some companies can offer.

0:42:460:42:49

And I have to say that in some of the stories that we've seen today,

0:42:490:42:52

some of those businesses have not exactly covered themselves in glory!

0:42:520:42:56

But I tell you what it is does prove - that if you think you've got

0:42:560:42:59

a case that's worth pursuing, keep at it, don't give up, even if

0:42:590:43:03

there are times when you think that perhaps you're not getting anywhere.

0:43:030:43:06

Absolutely. Take it as far as you can.

0:43:060:43:09

And if all else fails, bring it to us.

0:43:090:43:11

We do love to help.

0:43:110:43:13

And at the very least, your experience might help prevent

0:43:130:43:16

others from ending up in the same boat.

0:43:160:43:18

But that's all we've got time for today.

0:43:180:43:20

We'll be back to investigate more of your stories very soon,

0:43:200:43:23

so until then from all of us...

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