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We asked you - who's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
when it comes to your holidays? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
And you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
We save hard all year, we look forward to a holiday with our | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
family... We felt absolutely desperate. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
This was never a three-star hotel. I wouldn't give it two. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
or indeed a catch in the small print, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
we'll find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
Your stories. Your money. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
This is Rip Off Britain. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Hello and welcome once again to Rip Off Britain, where we're | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
bringing you a taste of summer from the sunshine of Gran Canaria, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
and we've come here so that we can look into a lot more of those | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
holiday and travel stories that you've asked us | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
to investigate on your behalf. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
And amongst the unmissable advice that we've got for you today, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
we're going to have some tips to help you through a situation | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
that I think anyone who's ever stayed in a hotel has | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
probably wrestled with at some time, I know I certainly have. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
And that is, what you do with your luggage when it's time | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
to check out, but you aren't actually going home right away. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
Why does that sound all too familiar? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Well now, chances are, the decision you made wasn't the right one | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
and we'll have more on that later on the programme. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
But you may well be starting to plan your own trip away, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
whether it's to somewhere like this, albeit marvellous, or indeed | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
to one of the many fantastic places to visit around the UK. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
And while the anticipation, wherever you're headed, can be a key part | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
of all the excitement of going away, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
I'm afraid it's too easy for those great expectations | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
that you had for your holiday to very quickly be dashed. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Well, it may be because you hadn't fully understood what you'd signed | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
up to or perhaps you'd made assumptions about what | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
you were entitled to that didn't work out. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Either way, we'll be getting to the bottom of some of the most | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
common holiday scenarios that you've written to us about | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
and, with a bit of luck, it'll stop you ending up | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
in the same situations as the people we're about to meet. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Coming up, after a holiday this family says didn't meet the grade... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
That is disgusting! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
..who works out how many stars a hotel deserves? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
That was never a three-star hotel. I wouldn't give it two. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
And a family desperate to get rid of their timeshare in the UK. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Why they can't even give it away. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
It's just a lot of worry and stress, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
and I just wish we could find a way out of it. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Now, if you're anything like me, and I'm going to be really honest | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
here, you'll probably try and stuff more into your case than you | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
really need wherever you go and whenever you go away. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
But even when you're not trying to take the kitchen sink with you, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
your luggage is always going to contain plenty of things that, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
one way or another, have a real value and importance to you, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
which is why this next story will strike a chord with so many of you. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Now, it involves a situation probably most of us have | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
been in at one point or another. You're checking out of a hotel, but | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
there's a bit of a wait before you actually start your journey home. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
So, rather than lug all those bags and suitcases around with you | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
as you enjoy that last morning in your resort or by the pool, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
you leave them under the watchful eye of the hotel staff. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
But if that's something you've done, and I know I have many times, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
then after watching this you'll probably think twice | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
before you ever do it again. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Come see. Come see, come see. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Anne and Paul Arrowsmith live in Cannock Chase in Staffordshire, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
with their ten-year-old son Tyler and their pooch Millie. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
But once a year, they go in search of something this picturesque place | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
can't always guarantee - sunshine! | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
We obviously like it somewhere warm, we like a nice pool, near a beach. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
In September 2013, they set off on a particularly luxurious treat, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
an all-inclusive week at the five-star Liberty Hotels Lara Beach | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
in Antalya, Turkey, with the tour operator Thomson. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
The holiday went by in a flash and they were having such a good time | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
that the Arrowsmiths wanted to make the most of every minute, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
even on the day they were set to fly home. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I said to Anne, "We'll check out first thing, get the cases packed, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
"go down to the reception for nine and then that leaves us | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
"a full morning down on the slides and the beach and pool." | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
Checking out at 9am, Anne asked the hotel | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
if there was anywhere to safely store their luggage | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
until the bus to the airport was due to depart at 2:15pm. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
And they said, "Yeah, it'd be absolutely fine to just leave them | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
"to the left of the reception." | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
I did query it, I said, "Is that OK to leave them there?" | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
And they said, "Yeah, that'll be fine. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
"We have a bell boy that organises the cases | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
"and makes sure they go on the right coach." | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
Reassured that their luggage would be looked after by the bell boy, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
the family headed for a final few hours around the pool, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
returning to reception two hours before their bus was due to arrive. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
To our amazement, there was maybe 50 or 60 sets | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
of luggage there, but my wife's bright pink case, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
which would stand out in the fog, was not to be seen. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
We spoke to reception and they said they'll be in the lock up room | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
and we went in that room, which wasn't actually locked, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
we searched through there | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
and there was a lot of cases in there but ours weren't there. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
The family's three bags were all missing. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Beginning to panic, the Arrowsmiths sought help from the hotel's | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Thomson rep, who did her best to help. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
She actually spoke to the reception manager | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
and she asked him would he ring the various tour operators | 0:05:40 | 0:05:46 | |
that had had coach transfers that morning... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
and he did that to no avail. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
Nobody had found any cases. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
There was nothing they could do | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
but go to the airport in the hope their cases might turn up. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
I was wearing a bikini, which was wet, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
and I had a sarong dress over the top, which was very flimsy | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
and see through, and both my son and husband were in their | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
wet shorts and T-shirts, and we all had flip flops on, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
that's all we'd got, what we were stood up in, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
and our holdalls with passports in. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
The family got to the airport | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
and immediately tracked down a Thomson's rep to see if, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
for any reason, their cases had arrived ahead of them. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
I actually asked the question, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
"If our cases have come here on another coach, where would they be? | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
"What would have happened to them?" She said, "Well, the coach driver | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
"takes them off the coach and leaves them on the side of the road, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
"and then he drives off." | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
So I said, "OK, if that's happened, where would they be?" | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
"Well, airport security would | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
"have blown them up because they would think there was | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
"a bomb in them if they'd been left by the side of the road." | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
So I said, "Have any bombs gone off this morning?" She said, "No." | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
With no sign of their luggage, the family had little choice | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
but to board their flight home, devastated, damp and half-dressed. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
We did get some funny looks. We had upgraded to premier class | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
and we did feel like we stuck out like a sore thumb. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
It was a miserable end to a great holiday. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
But although it was clear their luggage was lost for good, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
the family was confident they shouldn't be left out of pocket. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
I was upset but I thought we've got to be | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
positive about this. We are insured. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
We're insured with our travel insurance and we're insured | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
with our home insurance. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
So Anne and Paul turned to their insurance company Nationwide | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
to try and recoup their losses. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
As requested, they totted up their missing items, which stacked | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
up to £3,000 worth of clothes, gadgets and jewellery. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
And they phoned me back and said, "We can't cover you." | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
And I said, "Why not?" And she said, "I've spoken to | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
"someone and they said that you've left your luggage unattended." | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Anne and Paul were confused. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
As far as they were concerned, they had left their luggage attended. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
After all, the hotel had said it would be looked after along with | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
all the other cases holiday-makers had left with the bell boy. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
You may well have done something similar and thought the same, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
but the underwriters pointed them | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
to an exclusion, which said lost luggage isn't covered when in | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
transit, or when it's not looked after by an authorised person. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
And it was clear they didn't consider an authorised person | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
to be a bell boy, who might be distracted by other duties - | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
a decision Anne and Paul had not expected. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
As long as somebody's looking after your case, then it's not | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
unattended, so I don't know how they could come up with that statement. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
Anne and Paul then tried their home insurance, with Aviva, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
which had cover for personal possessions when away from home, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
but that policy wouldn't pay out either because the hotel | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
couldn't confirm that the bags were looked after all the time. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
And although the family appealed their travel insurer's decision | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
with the Financial Ombudsman Service, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
their complaint was rejected on the basis that the policy's terms | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and conditions are clear. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
But Paul is shocked that something so many of us | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
might do can have such disastrous consequences. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
I asked where to leave the luggage | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
and I left it where I was asked to leave it. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
To me, I've done absolutely nothing wrong, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
yet I'm the one without my luggage. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
We contacted the tour operator, Thomson, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
who told us that they're... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
But pointed out that... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
..and in this particular hotel... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
They believe they have done everything possible to help, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
including an immediate investigation and reviewing CCTV footage. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
They say incidents like this... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
..but they have offered the family a £50 gesture of goodwill | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
for the disappointment they felt over the handling of the situation. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
We also spoke to the insurance companies who | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
turned down the family's claims. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Both reiterated that their terms | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
and conditions clearly state that unattended luggage is not covered. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
However, travel insurers Nationwide did say that | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
if the hotel or tour operator could... | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
..it would reconsider the decision. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
So that prompted us to ask what other insurers | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
might do in a similar situation. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
When we checked the terms of 17 common travel insurance policies, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
we found that only a handful, in fact, just three of them, would | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
even have considered covering the Arrowsmiths' lost luggage. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
And when it came to it, even these may well have decided that the | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
bag simply wasn't left anywhere sufficiently secure. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
So here's our advice. The next time you've got a few hours | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
between checking out of your hotel and flying home, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
it really is worth taking a few minutes to check out | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
and think of your own policy before letting your bag out of your sight. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Because unless it's actually locked away, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
it's more than likely that you wouldn't be covered. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Caroline Wayman from the Financial Ombudsman Service | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
says that, before leaving a bag with anyone, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
you need to know if you'll be covered if it goes astray. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
If perhaps you've left it on its own in the middle of nowhere | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
with no-one else with it, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
then quite clearly that's going to be unattended and it would be very | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
unusual for an insurance policy to pay out in those circumstances. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
It's important to look, actually, at your own policy | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
and see what it says. Wherever possible, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
if you can get your luggage to be left somewhere where | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
it's a locked room, and ideally you're given a ticket, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
and you know someone's going to be there, keeping an eye on it, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
then obviously that's much better. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
The Arrowsmiths have learned the hard way | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
that simply having confidence the hotel is keeping your bags safe | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
isn't something you can rely on | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
and certainly won't be any help if things go wrong. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
I've never heard of a situation like this before and everybody | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
I know leaves their cases with the hotel to look after. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
We're just going to have to hold on to our cases. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Now, here's a situation. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
If I was to offer you the chance to stay in a four, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
five or even, these days, a six or seven-star hotel, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
I bet you'd bite my arm off for it. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
But what exactly would you expect for all those stars | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
and who, indeed, decided it deserved that rating in the first place? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Well, the star system has been around for more than a century, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
but even so, one person's idea of a four-star hotel | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
can be very different to someone else's. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
So the next time you're looking for hotels online, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
how do you know that the standard you think you've been sold | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
is actually what you're going to get when you check in? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Here it is, look, our wonderful hotel. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
It says, "Attractive apartments, surrounded by lovely gardens, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
"accompanied by delicious food..." | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Sounds good, it should be. It's three-star! | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
The number of stars a hotel has can be a useful guide to find | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
the holiday that's absolutely right for you. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Two stars might be fine for a short stay, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
but if you want to push the boat out, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
some hotels now boast six or even seven stars! | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
But you'd still expect a hotel with a more modest star rating | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
to deliver the goods, and certainly that's what Linda | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
and Tony believed when they started researching a special break | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
for three generations of their family. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
They plumped for a destination that they'd all enjoyed before. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
We enjoy Turkey, it's nice and cheap, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
and we know we're going to be looked after. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
They searched online for the right hotel and Tony eventually found | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
one that looked ideal on the website of a company called Travel Soon. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
It was called the Club Secret Garden Apartments and two weeks there | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
cost a total of £1,669 for the five of them. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
The pictures looked really, really good. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Full-size swimming pool, palm trees all around it. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
I thought, "It looks nice, we'll go for it." | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
And the fact that it was rated as three stars meant that | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Tony and Linda expected a certain standard of accommodation | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
but, right from the off, they didn't think that's what they got. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Everything was quite tatty. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
The bottom of doors were all bashed up and smashed. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
At the back of the steps, all the rubbish was thrown over | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
to one side, right underneath one of the balconies. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It was left there all day, just to rot in the heat. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
The smells, the flies, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
it was horrendous, weren't it? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
They didn't think things were much better around the pool. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
First of all, we noticed that the pool was going quite cloudy. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
We were told that the pump had broken and it breaks on a regular basis. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
I didn't feel safe in it, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
so I certainly wouldn't want a child to go in it. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Tony and Linda are adamant that they weren't just being too fussy. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
As far as they were concerned, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
these apartments simply didn't merit their three-star rating. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
This was never a three-star hotel. I wouldn't give it two. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
So when it comes to star gazing, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
could you accurately gauge how many stars a hotel has? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
We did a quick test, showing descriptions | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
and photographs of various hotels to Leicester shoppers | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
and asking them to guess the official rating. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
Pool's OK, it's not too far from the seafront or the beach. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
I'd say a three-star. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Oh, wow, that's a surprise. We'd consider that to be three-star. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
-Not like the two stars we've been in. -No. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
-What do you think? -I would think that would be a... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
-A four? -A four-star, probably. -Yeah. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Because they've got an internet cafe and... | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Oh! I got it right. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
I would say four. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Two! Oh, well, I would be really happy with that. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
-Outdoor pool, waterside sports, three-star. -Yeah. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
Four! | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
Doesn't look four to me! | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Perhaps it's no wonder we can all be so baffled by what a star rating | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
genuinely means because there are no set rules to ensure consistent | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
standards across the industry. And adding to the confusion, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
stars aren't the only symbols that you need to understand. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
What the major tour operators have done is brought in their own system, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
so Thomson Holidays, for example, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
offer a T rating | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
and Thomas Cook have hearts. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
What's more, all these symbols can mean different things, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
so a hotel that is judged to have one rating with one tour operator | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
might get a totally different rating from another. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Well, interestingly, there is no global system around the world. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
There's not even a common standard in Europe. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
So why doesn't every hotel say that they're five-star? | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Because the watch word of any wise accommodation provider | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
is under-promise and over-deliver. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
So how exactly do the big companies decide how to rate hotels? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
Well, Thomas Cook told Rip Off Britain that they use | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
a strict number of criteria, including standard of decor, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
facilities, location, food and service. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
They also review the ratings regularly, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
based on customer feedback. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Meanwhile, Thomson say they use a mix of official stars | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
and their own T rating. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Two Ts means... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
..to five Ts for... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
But back in Turkey, Tony and Linda felt their apparently three-star | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
holiday was deteriorating into a five-star mess. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
On going into the bathroom, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
I discovered a plastic covering that was actually catching water | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
from the shower room above us | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and it had actually started to leak. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
'That is disgusting.' | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
All their dirty shower water | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
was coming through the middle of our shower. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
That was the final straw for Tony. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
He called Travel Soon back in England, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
who said they could move them to another hotel, but at a price. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
I would have to pay £80 per room to move us | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
and I point blankly refused | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
to be out of pocket any more on this holiday. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
I've never got upset on a holiday. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
I've taken everything, whether, you know, the good with the bad, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
but I actually broke down towards the end. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
I couldn't stand it there and Tony, you know, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
could see what it was doing to all of us. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
I wouldn't even give it a rating, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
not even one star. One star would be too good for them. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
TravelSoon.com told us that, while it's genuinely sorry | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
that these apartments known as the Club Caprice | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
were not to the family's liking... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
It added that... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
And, in this case, the hotel worked out at £10 per night, per person. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
But it said the number of stars it uses... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Travel Soon's supplier, a company called Beds with Ease, also | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
told us that the low room rate meant the apartments would be basic, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
but went on to say, as indeed the hotel itself has, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
that other guests had... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:34 | |
..and that the problems Linda and Tony highlighted were quickly fixed. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
Even so, they have refunded the family a total of £135.88. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
But despite all of that, Tony and Linda still | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
say that their confidence in hotel star ratings | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
has been severely knocked. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
As star ratings go, I would be very sceptical of them. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
I would need a lot of time to look over everything | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
about hotel reviews from now on. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Still to come on Rip Off Britain - | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
the couple whose wedding in paradise | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
cost them a lot more than they'd bargained for. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
We can say we've done it and we're happily married, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
but never again, not like that. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
And top tips for making your money go further in Las Vegas. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
For one weekend in summer 2014, we turned this West Midlands shop | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
into a free consumer advice clinic, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
where our experts tackled your problems, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
and plenty of you came in to sound off in our gripe corner. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
I'm a teacher in a local secondary school and it's just infuriating | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
that, when I get to go on holiday, we have to pay a lot more money | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
than if we went during term time | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
and obviously I've got no opportunity to go during term time. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
I feel really ripped off | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
because of travel agents taking advantage of people booking early. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
We book early for our convenience, for work, and then, a few weeks | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
before we're going, we get phone call or a letter to say they've changed | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
the time of departure, the time of return and even the time and place. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
Seasoned traveller Marilyn Poulton loves her holidays, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
but the problem she's brought to Simon Calder is one we hear a lot. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
Marilyn, I've been reading through your notes. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
You are a well-travelled lady, aren't you? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
You seem to go all over the world. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
-Yes, I have. -There's a downside to it for you, isn't there? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
Tell me what it is and why you've come to see Simon. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
-The single supplement! -Right. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
Some companies only have a small charge, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
but by far the worst offenders are cruises. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
The last cruise I did, I went to speak to the lady and she said, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
"Well, if you go in as two of you, it will be this much. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
"If you're going on your own, it's half of that plus 70%." | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
70%?! | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
70%. And I said, "Well, why do you do that?" | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
And she said, "Everybody does it," | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
and I really think it's time everybody stopped doing it. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
I agree, as somebody who travels on her own. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Simon, what are we going to do about it? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Well, don't blame me. It's the travel industry. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Let me tell you exactly how the cruise business works, OK? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Almost all the cabins are, as you know, for two people. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
If there's only one person in it, the cruise company will say the ship | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
is going from A to B to C, you've got to sail it anyway | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
and, if you're having a whole cabin to yourself, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
we have to charge a premium on that. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
How do you feel about that, Marilyn, as an explanation? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Well, I still think the whole idea stinks. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Of course! I do, too. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
I don't know how you feel, Marilyn. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Would you mind paying just a little bit of extra money? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
I wouldn't mind paying 15%, even 20%. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Are we ever going to see it being reduced, do you think, Simon? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
I've been covering this for 20 years and it's exactly the same. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
You get exactly the same answers when you ask the companies. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Just small things you can do. For instance, France, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
beautiful country, of course, you will agree. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
If you go to the big hotels, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
they'll say, "Right, you have to pay for a double room." | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
If you go to lovely small family-run hotels, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
two-star places, then they've always got great single rooms, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
and they'll charge maybe 30 euros instead of 40 euros, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
so it's a 50% surcharge but it's still not nearly as bad. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Also, small family-run hotels are by far the best option | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
when you're staying somewhere like that. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Choose your location, choose your country | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
-and choose your type of holiday. -Or find a friend. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
What are you doing next week? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
Five or ten years ago, if you'd been strolling along a busy street | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
or a promenade like this in a resort somewhere, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
the chances are you would have been approached by someone trying | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
to sell you your very own slice of sunshine. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
A timeshare - a seemingly very cost-effective way | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
of having a holiday, year after year. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
But of course timeshares aren't restricted to just sunny locations, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
they're all over the world, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
and many of them a lot closer to home in the UK. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
But the problems that some of you have with timeshares | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
are pretty universal, especially if you're one of | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
the thousands of people who've quite simply changed their minds | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
and would like to sell up. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Or like the people that we're about to meet, who are not just | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
having a problem selling - they can't even give it away. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Across Europe, it's estimated that over one million people | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
own timeshares and a whopping 40% of them are Brits. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
And while most of them like to take their week or two every year | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
in their own favourite corner of the Med, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
some prefer timeshares closer to home | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
and, in John and Shirley Turnbull's case, much closer. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
We like the area. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
It's where we were brought up. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Um, the various villages, we have a castle in every town. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
Just a nice area to spend a week. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
In 2005, John and Shirley spent £9,000 to buy one week every January | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
in a chalet here, in the grounds of Slaley Hall in Northumberland, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
just under an hour from their home in Gateshead. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
As well as that one-off lump sum, they agreed to pay | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
around £300 a year in management and maintenance fees, with bills on top. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
An English timeshare, I'm on English ground, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
I've got no foreign laws, so on and so forth, no-brainer. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
It's what we wanted, location, cost and time of year. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:46 | |
The chalet is part of a luxury resort, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
which, until recently, was owned by hotel giant De Vere, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
but the timeshares are separately owned | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
and run by the Slaley Hall Owners' Club. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
Each came with free use of hotel facilities, like the spa, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
and, for John and Shirley, it was a place the whole family could use. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
We thought it was an investment, it came with a 60-year deal. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Obviously I'm not going to be around for the 60 years | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
and we were told that the family could take it on. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Over the next few years, John and Shirley's family | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
enjoyed their week-long escape to the chalet, which, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
even with the management fees and bills, seemed an absolute bargain. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
We thought the initial fees were fine, £200-£300 for that week. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
We couldn't get a holiday for £400 for the whole family per year. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:36 | |
Then, in 2009, the Owner's Club announced the site's management fees | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
were set to rise by more than £95 | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
to fund a refurbishment of the lodges. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
John and Shirley were happy to pay a little bit more, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
until that is, they saw that their lodge wasn't actually | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
one of the ones to be refurbished. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
We were a bit disappointed in that, especially with the fees, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
the maintenance fees we were paying, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
we expected some sort of refurbishment to our lodge. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
When John looked into the new fees, it quickly became obvious | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
this wasn't just a one-off increase. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
The management charges could rise year after year. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
I started to worry and started to keep a check | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
on a spreadsheet on maintenance fees and I was really concerned. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
Fearing his timeshare was becoming too expensive to own, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
John decided to sell up. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
So he contacted De Vere, who handled sales on behalf of the Owner's Club, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
and who agreed to put it on the market on his behalf, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
but weeks and then months went by with no sale. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
And when John looked online at what timeshares were currently available, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
it was clear his week wasn't the only timeshare | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
De Vere was trying to sell. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
Sure enough my lodge was there, weeks before and after mine. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
I started to really get worried. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
They're not selling the timeshares. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
And all the while, the maintenance fees were still increasing, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
most recently to more than £800 a year. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Add to that the utility bills they pay for the time they stay there | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
and their next week away could cost over £1,000, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
more than double what their first week, nine years earlier, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
had originally cost. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
It is becoming a money pit. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Shirley and I are really struggling with the costs | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
and we really need an exit strategy from this. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
We now feel we are paying for something we don't want. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Truth be told, we can't really afford it in the future. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
My family don't really want it. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
They see the stress that we are going through | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
and I don't want to give them the stress | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
of something that I thought was going to be an investment for them, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
something I was going to leave them. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Out of desperation, John even jokingly suggested to De Vere | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
that he was willing to pay them £2,000 to take the timeshare | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
off his hands, but they declined. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
To date, we've paid over £14,000 for the privilege of having this week | 0:29:02 | 0:29:08 | |
and we just feel that, by the end of the term, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
we could have bought Slaley Hall outright. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
When we spoke to De Vere about John and Shirley's situation. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
They told us that they don't comment on individual cases, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
but that it's the Slaley Hall Owners' Club, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
of which the Turnbulls are members, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
that set the management fees at Slaley Hall and not them. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
So we contacted the Owners' Club, who told us that it would be | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
"inappropriate to comment" because John and Shirley have | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
"chosen not to communicate with the club" to discuss their concerns. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
John and Shirley may be in the minority of timeshare owners, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
in that they bought so close to home, but they're certainly not | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
in the minority when it comes to the number of people | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
now trying to sell one. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
It's even been estimated by some industry experts | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
that, for every one person looking to buy a timeshare, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
there are 400 people with one to sell. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
What you have to understand when you sign up to a timeshare | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
is that you're signing a legally binding agreement. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
You're promising to pay the initial premium, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
but also pay the ongoing maintenance and service charges. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
But maintenance fees can often go up more than the cost of living | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
and, if you are in a timeshare contract, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
you often have very little control over that expenditure. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
In many ways, it's like signing a blank cheque. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
John and Shirley say that's exactly how it feels for them | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
and they can't see any easy solution. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
I don't want it to be a chain around my family's neck either. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
It's just a lot of worry and stress, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
and I just wish we could find a way out of it. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Our travel expert Simon Calder has flown, sailed, driven | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
and indeed cycled to thousands of destinations all over the world, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
so we asked him to let us in on some of his top secrets, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
this time, Las Vegas. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
It's all about the dollar in Vegas, with shows, bars, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
restaurants and casinos all vying for your money. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
It starts the moment you touch down | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
after that 11-hour flight. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
The famous strip, Las Vegas Boulevard, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
where you'll probably be staying, is only a few miles from the airport, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
yet a taxi is going to cost you anything from 15 to 25. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
So instead take the public bus, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
which serves most of the main hotels | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
and costs only 2. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:51 | |
But if you do prefer to take a taxi, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
then watch out for long hauling. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
It's something of a Las Vegas speciality and it means taking | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
new visitors for a longer ride than necessary | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
in order to boost the fare. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
Handily, the Nevada Taxicab Authority provides this | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
useful leaflet showing the approximate fares to all | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
the main hotels, so do your research in advance. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
So, you've finally arrived and hit that famous strip, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
but don't be dazzled by all that neon. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Las Vegas is famous for its scams as well as its casinos. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
On Las Vegas Strip, you'll constantly be approached | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
by friendly individuals offering all manner of freebies. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
But beware, these are not good Samaritans. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
There's almost always a catch involved. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
VIP entry and a free drink at the best nightclub in town? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
Well, that's probably to do with getting bodies in the door early | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
when the place is empty. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
And free show tickets could simply be the bait | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
for a hard timeshare sell | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
that ends up costing you time and possibly money. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
And it's not just out on the strip that you need to be on guard. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
You've had a great Las Vegas day. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Now you're back in your hotel room, the phone rings. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
It's the front desk. They've had a computer crash | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
and they need your credit card details again. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Being a helpful soul, you provide them, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
including those three digits on the back. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
Trouble is, they weren't the front desk at all - | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
they're a bunch of scammers and they're already spending your cash. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
There are several ways they can get your room phone number, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
including simply loitering near the lifts and eyeing unsuspecting guests | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
as they hold their key cards for everyone to see. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
So, if you get such a call, be very suspicious! | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Do you know, it's estimated that the average UK wedding | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
will cost around £21,000? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
And that's not including the honeymoon or the rings. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
So it's easy to understand why some couples might decide | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
they can save money, and certainly cut back on all the hassle | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and planning, by jetting off to get married in the sun. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
You can do it with most of the big holiday companies, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
who might have special brochures showing off their expertise. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
But no matter how love struck and starry-eyed you might be, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
you can't assume the arrangements | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
will be quite as simple as you think | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
and it can pay to make sure you've taken a long, hard look | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
at the small print before saying "I do" to a wedding in paradise. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
For many couples dreaming of a wedding, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
it's not just the dress that has to be white - it's the sand too. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
But for Tim and Charlotte Hencher-Cross, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
getting married abroad ended up costing a lot more time | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and money than they bargained for. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
It was stressful, it cost us lots of money, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and it's resulted in lots of hardship now down the road. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
-Yeah, I don't think we've really recovered from it, have we? -No. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
Tim and Charlotte are from Worcester. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
He's a driving instructor | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
and Charlotte runs her own clothing company. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
And with baby son Logan too, they knew they had to keep | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
the purse strings tight when they decided to tie the knot. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
I think the idea for getting married abroad was mainly | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
to keep the costs down. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
We wanted to have a life after the wedding, which is expensive. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
I was too busy to plan a wedding, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
and thought it'd be romantic and sunny and nice. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
-All done for us as well. -Yes. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Hoping the whole process would be simple and straightforward, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Tim and Charlotte decided to organise their big day | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
through the specialist wedding arm | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
of one of the country's biggest names in travel, Thomson. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
The couple paid £2,400 for two weeks in the Dominican Republic. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
Then, on top of that, there was an extra charge of £1,155 | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
for the wedding package, including the venue, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
reception, cake and decorations, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
plus a marriage licence | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
and registrar to officiate at the ceremony. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
12 guests were also travelling for the special day, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
each paying around £1,200. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
It was everything that we needed | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
for the simple beach wedding that we wanted. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
At the right price as well, I think, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
that was the big point there as well. It was right at the top. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
All the couple needed to do themselves was organise | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
the legal paperwork, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
without which they wouldn't be able to get married. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
BABY AND TIM LAUGH | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
But Tim and Charlotte say that they weren't given much guidance | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
about how to do that. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
They got the impression it would be a relatively simple process, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
but it was only after they'd booked the holiday and paid the deposit | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
that they realised there'd be rather more paperwork than expected | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
and it all had to be in Spanish. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
It was all completely new to me. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
I don't understand legal mumbo jumbo at all. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
At the time, I was probably doing 14/15-hour days. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
I didn't have time to plan a wedding at the same time - | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
that's why we went down this route. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
I mean, I struggle to do my tax return, let alone plan a wedding. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
On top of all the paperwork, further complicated by the fact | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
that Charlotte had been married before, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
all this admin incurred extra costs, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
which the couple say they just hadn't seen coming. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Things that weren't included were all the translations | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
for the documents, the legalisation of documents, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
all the...expenses to actually have all this shifted in the post. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:35 | |
There was no talk anywhere just how much it was going to cost. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
Feeling overwhelmed by what was required, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Tim and Charlotte turned to Thomson for help. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
After all, the company had promised, as they put it, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
to "be on hand to assist every step of the way." | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
There was a day that we went into Thomson, wasn't there? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
And I think it was one of our better days because we thought | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
we were up to speed with what we'd got, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
and it actually turned out that, in their eyes, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
some of the documents weren't legal documents at all. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
At this point, I just thought, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
"We're not going to have any time left. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
"We're not going to be able to get married. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
"We'll end up just going over there for a holiday with everybody | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
"and waste everyone's money." | 0:38:17 | 0:38:18 | |
It was the last straw then and I just started crying. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
But if the wedding was to go ahead, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
there was no way of avoiding the rapidly mounting legal fees. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
We were frantically getting paperwork sorted. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
I think the translations had come back by that point, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
but they still had to go down to the Dominican consulate | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
to get legalised. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:42 | |
-Literally, all they had to do was put a stamp on it... -Read it. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
..sign and have read through, and it was nearly £800. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
The contract Tim and Charlotte had signed with Thomson | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
did state that the couple were responsible for supplying | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
and translating legal documents, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
but the couple insist they were never given a proper indication | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
of just how much all that would eventually cost. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
In the end, it came to over £2,000. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
All in all, it was more expensive for the paperwork | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
and all the documents to be done | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
than it was for one person and the wedding. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
All was finally completed and Tim and Charlotte's Caribbean wedding | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
was everything they'd hoped for. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
There was that bit of relief when I heard the music come on, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
and I was stood there with my best man, and I turned around | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
and I saw you and your dad, and I got a tear in my eye. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
It was just that moment then, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
I realised that this was actually going to happen. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
-It was perfect. -Yeah, it was. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
But when the honeymoon was over, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
all those costs Tim and Charlotte were not expecting | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
still had to be paid. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Expert wedding coordinator George Watts, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
who styles himself "the Wedding Fairy" | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
has seen it all before. | 0:39:58 | 0:39:59 | |
A lot of couples often take for granted that their tour operator | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
is going to plan everything, which is actually completely wrong. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
It's your responsibility to legalise the wedding, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
so the best port of call for this is the Gov UK website. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
You can select the country you want to get married in | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
and find out exactly what you need to do and how you need to go | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
about doing it. If you are worried about the legalities abroad, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
do bear in mind there are other options. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
You could maybe go for a wedding blessing, a commitment ceremony, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
spiritual celebrations are hugely popular, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and then you get rid of all that tier | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
of worrying about the legal process of your wedding. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
You can sit back, relax and enjoy, and it's often a lot cheaper. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
When Rip Off Britain contacted Thomson, it told us | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
it has over "two decades' experience in organising weddings" | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
and "customer satisfaction is very high." | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
It went on to say that it provided the couple | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
with "an estimate of the legal costs", | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
though the couple dispute this. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
And the company reiterated that "responsibility for completing | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
"the paperwork and all associated costs lies with the customer." | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
So the advice for anybody wanting to plan a wedding abroad | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
is to check exactly what documentation is required | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
and how much it's likely to cost before you go ahead and book. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
I think, realistically, we can say we've done it | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
and we're happily married, which is brilliant, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
but never again. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
Not like that. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
Here at Rip Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
more of your stories and not just about holidays. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
Or send us an e-mail to... | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
The Rip Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
Well, as I think we've all learnt from today's stories, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
you can't always assume that what you believe is the case | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
with certain aspects of your holiday | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
actually turns out to be the way things are going to pan out. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
So here comes that familiar advice again - | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
just make sure that you check all of the details before making | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
a decision that you just might later regret. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
Oh, totally. Do you know what though? | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
I'm still thinking about the number of times that I've left luggage | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
in a hotel reception. I'll tell you something, I won't be doing it again. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
Now you'll find a lot more travel advice of course on our website: | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
And from there you can send us, I hope, some of your own stories | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
on any topic whatsoever, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
which perhaps we'll look into on a future programme. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
But that's all we've got time for for today. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
We'll be back to investigate more of your stories very soon. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
But until then, if you are planning a holiday, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
we hope that obviously everything goes completely smoothly | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
but, if it doesn't, do please write and let us know. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
In the meantime, thanks for joining us | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
-and, from all the team, goodbye. -Happy holidays! | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 |