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Next on BBC One Gloria Hunniford, Angela Rippon and Julia Somerville | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
are standing by ready to tackle all your consumer problems. | :00:00. | :00:15. | |
Every morning we are here lies investigating the stories you have | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
asked us to look into on your behalf. | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
We are looking forward to that. We are kicking off with how fraudsters | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
helped themselves to my savings. Question is, how safe is your cash? | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
We asked you to tell us what is in you -- what is leaving you feeling | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
ripped off. You told us about the company using | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
get it wrong and the customer service which simply isn't up to | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
scratch. When you have to call them it takes ages. Some of the other | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
answers the phone and they don't know what you are saying. The | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
customer isn't benefiting and I'm not getting value for money. You've | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money and investigate | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
the extra charges you say are unfair. They don't deserve to be in | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
any form of business whatsoever, they just want shutting down. And | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
when nobody else is to blame you come to us to help others do not | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
fall into the same trap. They took the money out of my account and I | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
don't even know who's camped me. Whether it is a blatant rip-off or a | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
genuine mistake, we're here to find out why you are out of pocket on | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
what you can do about it. Your stories, your money, this is | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Rip Off Britain: Live. Good morning and thank you for | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
joining us for a brand new series of the Rip Off Britain: Live. Good to | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
have you. This is one of our most favourite times of the year. | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
Absolutely. Adrenaline pumping. Delighted to be back to talk about | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
the issues you say matter most to you. | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
That could be anything from a dodgy energy bill to an elaborate scam. | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
Our team of experts are fantastic, they are keen as mustard to help you | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
out. We are alive, which means you can | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
get in touch with us right away while we are on the air. | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
Please do send us your questions, comments, and your tips. We will be | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
sharing some of your ideas on giving cold callers the cold shoulder later | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
on. Also coming up, after my own recent | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
experience I have been finding out if banks are doing all they can to | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
keep our money safe. Believe me, I have very strong views about that. | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
You can believe that. He may be one of the nicest men in broadcasting, | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
but Jeremy Vine is going to tell me how he has found the perfect way to | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
complain about bad service. Good for him. And back by popular | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
demand, our one-stop pop up shop where our experts will have advice | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
for you. We have our finance Guru. And our | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
technology with David MacLennan. Send them your questions. | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
A busy morning ahead of us, clearly. First, given the amount of scams we | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
expose on this programme it's no surprise to hear that financial | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
fraud went up by over 50% in the first six months of this year. | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
But, as we know from the hundreds of people who get in touch with us | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
every year, behind every statistic is a very personal story. | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Very personal, because this one is mine! | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
As a presenter I've reported on just about every sort of scamming -- scam | :03:25. | :03:32. | |
imaginable. And hearing those affected and the devastating impact | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
the scams have on people's lives has certainly made me extra vigilant. | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
So, the last thing I expected was to find myself on the other side of the | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
story when I had part of my life savings stolen from the place where | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
I thought they would be most safe. This is my local bank in Kent where | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
I live. I thought my savings were tucked up very nicely in a savings | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
account which I had not touched for nearly two years. But it turned out | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
it was easier for complete strangers at a different branch of this bank | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
to get my money than it is for me to get my money. In June last year, 30 | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
miles away from Croydon, three people found a way to corrupt part | :04:14. | :04:22. | |
of my savings which amounted to ?120,000. Not by a sophisticated | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
scam, but by walking in off the street with a fake ID and a made up | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
story. According to the woman claiming to be me she said she had a | :04:29. | :04:37. | |
few bob in the bank but had been ill. She wanted her grandson to be a | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
co-signatories so he could draw money from my account. She then | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
presented a fake driving licence and a bank card and that was that. -- | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
co-signatory. The group had almost instant access to my savings. The | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
newspapers referred to this woman athlete Gloria lookalike, which | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
actually I found very funny. As somebody said online, I think Gloria | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
should be more worried about the lookalike band the money. But I | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
think you can agree that she looks nothing like me. Not in a million | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
years would I expect everybody to know who I am and what I look like. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
I totally get that you don't have to dress up in order to look like | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
somebody to impersonate them. But I would expect that the banks would | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
carry out stringent security checks before they literally handed over | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
tens of thousands of pounds to a stranger. Within a short time of | :05:28. | :05:35. | |
leaving the bank, they began a huge spending spree buying ?80,000 worth | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
of luxury watches as well as clothes. The question I keep asking | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
myself, why was it so easy for somebody else to get their hands on | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
my money when I have to jump through so many security hoops when I forget | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
a password? Even if I go up to take out and I said, I have to bring my | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
passport on various pieces of identity. -- if I go to take out a | :05:58. | :06:07. | |
ISA. If my husband went in asking to be a co-signatory they would say it | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
would not work like that, but it did work though strangers. The man who | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
posed as the grandson, 18-year-old Alan Dowie, received a sentence. The | :06:16. | :06:23. | |
judge said he hadn't received a penny piece out of the crime and | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
accepted that he was a dude in the scam. And a fourth person, another | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
18-year-old, pleaded guilty to laundering some of my money. | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
However, police are still appealing for information that would lead to | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
the rest of my so-called lookalike and her daughter. That was one of | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
the worst things for me because sadly I don't have my daughter, she | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
lost her battle with cancer 12 years ago, and that really hurt. Because | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
this was so obviously a fraud I wasn't able to get all of my money | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
back but really that isn't the point. It is the principal. -- I was | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
able. Personally I have lost all faith in banks. My big question is, | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
are they really doing enough to keep every customer's money safe? That is | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
exactly the question these two are asking. Just three months ago they | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
were the target of a very similar crime. And I find out from a fraud | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
expert whether banks are protecting us as well as they should. Losses | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
from bank accounts, people sending money off to scams runs into | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
hundreds of millions, if not billions. Fraud is enormous. | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
That is a story that has shocked thousands of people who have been | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
aware of it. I think that film demonstrates that it throws up more | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
questions than answers. It does. It's very disturbing. The | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
more you question it the more disturbed you get. It disturbs me | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
that two of the people are still missing. It was the scammer's bank | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
that alerted it, not my own bank. Bearing in mind that money has been | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
locked away and I haven't touched it the two years, wouldn't you think if | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
unusual activity came up on it that my bank would ring me. But it was | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
the fraudster's bank who got in contact. | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
That is what you would expect. Santander SA they take fraud | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
seriously and it is constantly reviewing its policies and systems | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
to prevent it. -- Santander say. They say regrettably in this case | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
its procedures were not followed. I'll say! Allowing it to occur. It | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
is sorry for the inconvenience and stress it caused, but stresses that | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
any customer who is the victim of fraud through no fault of their own | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
will not lose out financially. How convinced you that the bank is doing | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
something to protect people's money? I'm not at all. I'm now suspicious | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
or banks. Now I don't know where to put my money. Santander rang me up, | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
and I had been calling them endlessly to get information, but | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
they took me into the bank to show me their new technology in the | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
morning. But this is 2016, why are you putting it in now after my scam, | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
because it got high publicity, why did you not do it before? UV light, | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
which was stated in the High Court, it doesn't prevent anything. Yet | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
they took that as security. They said that the correct procedures | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
were not followed. The questions on the basic security forms were not | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
completely filled in. Because the girl in the court said she was three | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
months pregnant. That was the excuse. Many questions. | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
I think we can all tell that you are really distressed by this. | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
I am. My youngest said you have got your money back, while you worried? | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
I said of course I am worried, I make my money on covering scams. | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
It's the principle. Exactly. We would like to know what | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
you think about that story. Keep your comments coming because we | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
would like to read them out. It is through your e-mails and | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
letters that we get a sense of the things that really irritate you the | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
most. If there is one topic that leaves you especially steamed up, it | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
is the dreaded cold callers. It annoys all of us. You are an | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
imaginative bunch. It seems some of you give as good as you get whenever | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
the phone rings and it is somebody unwelcome on the other end. | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
Currently I'm using dog's names. They asked for my name and I call | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
myself Jack Russell. Sorry, I don't live here, I am a decorator. My name | :10:30. | :10:39. | |
is Mr Powell Satian. I say in an exotic country and they normally | :10:40. | :10:47. | |
hang up on me. -- Mr Al Satian. It appears that you are an inventive | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
bunch. They are not only annoying but can also lead to many of the | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
rip-offs you tell us about. Whatever the tactic we are pleased to hear | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
you are fighting back. There is a long way to go. The body that | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
regulates marketing calls, the information Commissioner 's office, | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
typically receives more than 14,000 complaints every month. One man who | :11:07. | :11:15. | |
is fighting back is businessman Lee Beaumont. After being plagued with | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
constant calls he has come up with a rather extreme way of dealing with | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
them. And it is even making him money. He set up a second phone line | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
with a premium rate number. Whenever he has asked for his details on | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
anything which might lead to an unsolicited marketing call it is the | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
0871 number he gives out. What was winding me up is that they would | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
call me no matter what time of day it was. Even in the evening. I | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
wanted them to stop. I thought there must be a way to get them to stop. | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
He went online to find out ways to end the nuisance calls. I just | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
searched on the Internet. I did a bit of reading up on it. I realised | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
I could buy a premium rate number very cheaply. He paid ?10 to set up | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
his own premium rate line, which meant he had an de Witt 71 number. | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
So to call him would now cost the caller 10p per minute. -- he had an | :12:12. | :12:21. | |
0871 number. I hated the cause of Italy. Now I enjoy them because | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
every time they call me I am making money. At the start my calls dropped | :12:27. | :12:34. | |
dramatically. -- I hated the calls originally. For me it was the best | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
of both worlds. His premium rate line has made him almost ?4000. It | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
won't make me a millionaire. I am not quitting my job. But the | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
difference is I'm not getting annoyed every time they ring me. I | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
am enjoying it. If you are thinking of doing something similar, however, | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
a word of warning... There is a regulator which requires anybody | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
operating a premium rate number to make it clear to callers how much | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
they are being charged for the call. That is what he does. If you didn't | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
he would soon fall foul of the authorities. -- if he didn't. But | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
there are far more Orthodox ways of fighting back. All right, mum? OK. | :13:19. | :13:27. | |
12 months ago we told the story of Kath, who was being bombarded with | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
cold calls. Sometimes receiving more than 100 per month. She was getting | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
lots of pestering phone calls from various companies like PPI. Very | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
pressurised. And she is vulnerable and old. By fitting her phone with a | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
call blocking device which would only allow numbers through a | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
preapproved list we had a very positive result. Steve Smith owns a | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
company called true call and is the brains behind the technology. Over | :13:57. | :14:05. | |
the last here it blocked 277 unwonted calls for Kath. That is two | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
per day. We checked back through the logs to see which companies were | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
phoning her and they were all of the usual suspects. PPI course, accident | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
claims, the surveys, the vitamin pills. Many trading standards | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
officers loaned out his box free of charge to people like Cathy 's lives | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
are being made a misery by unwonted phone calls. -- like Kath whose | :14:28. | :14:38. | |
lives. In May it was made illegal requirement that marketing companies | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
registered in the UK must display their phone numbers, even if their | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
call centres are abroad. Making it easier for us to spot a nuisance | :14:48. | :14:48. | |
call. If you get a call that hasn't got a | :14:49. | :14:57. | |
caller ID shown, and it is a marketing call, make a note of their | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
details and you can then report to them. So if you are cursed by cold | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
callers, make sure you do something to fight back. Of course you can | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
just hang up or there is scope to be a little bit more creative. I kept | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
getting phone calls about an accident I had two years ago, which | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
I hadn't had. So I told them it was fatal and I died! She put the phone | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
down on me rather than me putting it down on them! They never rang back. | :15:26. | :15:34. | |
I wonder why! I like their style! As it happens, scams are making | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
headlines today. Look at this one, a mountain of scam letters. The | :15:39. | :15:46. | |
heartbroken son of a mother who lost thousands of pounds. Thankfully | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
trading standards are launching back against the scammers with a new | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
initiative to protect people most at risk. With me is Louise Baxter from | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
the trading standards scam team and also Tina Stewart, who has stepped | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
in to help a lot of people in her neighbourhood. What is behind this | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
idea? We have launched a campaign called | :16:08. | :16:18. | |
Scams... It Is About Talking Back If You Have Been Scammed And Getting | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
Neighbours To Be Nosy. I Am Interested In The Word Shame Because | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
It Is Interesting that people think it has happened to them but it could | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
happen to everyone. People have got to remember it is a crime. Scam is | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
the wrong word. It is a crime. People should not be ashamed that | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
they have been targeted by a criminal and fallen victim to a | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
crime. And it is the fact it happens in their own home and this is what | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
you brought you into this. Yes, I'll had an elderly neighbour who was | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
getting letters from the Irish lottery and the Spanish lottery and | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
he lost a lot of money. We took him to trading standards and he did not | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
believe he was being scammed at first but in time needed. He lost a | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
lot money. You had to persuade him? He thought he was going to win all | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
this money. In the end we were able to persuade him and help him. You do | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
other things, don't you? Yes, I go round and I help my neighbours and I | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
give talks to the WRI and whoever invites me, we will help. This is | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
just an example of the way word is being spread in the community. | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
Absolutely. Friends Against Scams, Tina would be a champion for us, | :17:37. | :17:43. | |
spreading the word about scamming and taking a stand against it. | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
Knowledge is power. We want to hear from you if you know of anyone like | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
Tina who is known locally as being some kind of consumer champion, | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
whether it is identifying scammers or helping people with their utility | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
bills. Let us know who they are and better yet sent as a photograph and | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
we will catch up with some of them later in the week, with a bit of | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
luck. What a good job they are doing. This week our team of experts | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
is here to tackle your consumer problems, no matter how big or small | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
and I love that. It is all live and they are literally outside. | :18:16. | :18:45. | |
Angela is out there getting things started. Come and see us if you | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
want. Thank you, Gloria. We are already getting stuck in and we have | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
a fistful of experts fear. The financial advice service, the | :18:52. | :18:52. | |
financial ombudsman service, along with our finance expert Sarah | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
Pebbles and technology man David McClelland. Our inbox is always full | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
of people who have been caught out by a scam. And this man has been on | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
the receiving end of a nasty one. Yes, a Microsoft support scam. You | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
get a cold call from a trusted service provider telling you your | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
computer has been hacked and the sinister twist here is they told you | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
there was a legal stuff on your machine and convinced you to part | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
with money. Did you pay them? Originally I parted with ?2.90, | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
which I thought would be a good price to pay to get rid of the | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
unwanted material, but unfortunately it didn't end there. How much did | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
you end up paying? Within the hour they took another ?840. Flipping | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
heck! How can we avoid this happening? Any incoming phone calls | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
purporting to be from Microsoft, internet service provider, whoever | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
else, treat them as toxic and a big lump of lies. You are in safe hands | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
here. David Creswell is from the financial ombudsman service. David, | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
are you aware of an increase in the number of complaints against banks? | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
Far more people are coming to us as soon as they discover, when they get | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
that gut-wrenching realisation that it has gone wrong. But interestingly | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
more people are coming with problems and concerns in the months | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
afterwards when they realise how long it will take to sort out the | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
fallout of things like this going wrong. Can you sort it out for them? | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
That is our job, to call the banks to account to find out what happens. | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
Stay at its! No pop-up would be complete without a personal finance | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
expert, Sarah Pebbles, and she is here with a retired fire man, an | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
old. He had had a problem with one of his power supplies. -- Noel. Yes, | :20:28. | :20:36. | |
we have heard about this lots of times. Noel was with NPower and the | :20:37. | :20:45. | |
problem occurred when they mixed up the day and night readings. They | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
said they would sort it out and he switched in the meantime to another | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
supplier. They produced a final bill and they said they owed him ?2800. | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
That must have given you some sleepless nights! It certainly has. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
I am trying to get my son through university and we have just come | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
back from a family holiday and we have Christmas coming up. It was an | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
unfussy bill of nearly ?3000 and a demand to pay within two weeks, so | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
if you sleepless nights. Especially when it was their fault. But there | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
is a happy end to this. Funnily enough, when we got involved, NPower | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
looked at it and Noel owes them ?1400 and they got the wrong | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
information from the professional meter reader. As a goodwill gesture | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
they will write off the ?1400 and he doesn't owe them a penny. They have | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
been in trouble before for wrong bills and | :21:40. | :21:54. | |
not handling complaints. This time last year they were fined ?26 | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
million by the regulator. It is worth keeping an eye on your bills. | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
I am glad we got a good outcome for you. That is the power of Rip Off | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
Britain. Back to you, Gloria. We love it when we get results on your | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
behalf. We have been trying to do that all week and we will get great | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
results all round, I am sure. All the stories we investigate actually | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
come from you, your letters and emails. This is the latest on two of | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
the most memorable cases from our recent series. A few weeks ago we | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
revealed how an awful lot of us could be driving the wrong type of | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
car. One third of UK motorists have a diesel. But if you mostly do stop | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
start town based driving, that is not the best option. Diesel cars are | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
not suitable for lots of short journeys. Dealers need to make sure | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
they understand what type of driving their customers are doing and then | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
make the appropriate recommendation. But when Gerald Williams from | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
Wrexham bought a brand-new diesel Ford focus, he said that wasn't his | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
experience at all. There wasn't much conversation in that area, whether | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
to buy petrol or diesel. It was just recommended, this car here. It was | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
only after an engine warning light came on that Gerald discovered a | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
problem common to most modern diesels. If you don't strive them | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
far enough, a filter installed to reduce emissions can get clogged. If | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
you have bought a diesel and you get the warning lights coming on, you | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
must take it for a decent run and get lots of engine revs to clear the | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
filter and you won't have problems. But Gerald is adamant that when he | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
bought the car, he told the sales staff how many miles he typically | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
drives and they still recommended a diesel. I do feel I was mis-sold it. | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
I am not saying it was deliberate, not intentionally done, but I do | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
believe I was mis-sold. The Evans house or dealership told us they | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
cannot comment on what was said to Gerald because the salesperson is no | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
longer with the company but after we filmed with him, there was good news | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
for Gerald. The company told us that with the assistance of Ford Credit, | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
they have reversed the vehicle deal, and as a result Gerald walked away | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
with the ?17,000 refund that he used to buy this petrol car. There has | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
been no such happy ending for one of the most shocking stories from our | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
latest series. Jackie had to run for her life and then watch as her home | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
went from this to this. The whole house collapsed after builders | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
started work on converting the basement of the ground floor flat. I | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
just think we were in shock, all of us. Just watching it unfold. We had | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
to stand on the street and watch it disintegrate. What made it worse was | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
that Jackie and her partner thought they had done all they could to find | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
a builder they could trust, choosing one signed up to the federation of | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
master builders, checking references, and even making sure he | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
had got the right insurance. We lost everything. It was just taken away | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
in skits as we were watching and there was no way to retrieve it. We | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
were not allowed back in. The couple has since won a court case proving | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
the builder was at fault but his insurance company has refused to pay | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
out, saying the builder broke the terms of his cover. We are really no | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
further forward than the day it collapsed. We know we were not at | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
fault, we know who was at fault, but financially we are in the same | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
position. Actually, worse off than we were when it first happened. To | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
top it all, Jackie and head are stuck with 23 years of mortgage | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
repayments on a property they cannot even live in. We have got ?125,000 | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
left to play. There is not much else we can do really. Jackie is still | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
hoping to find a solution but in the meantime, several of you have been | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
in touch offering to help. One viewer has said he would be willing | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
to buy the plot of land and build a new house at his own expense. A | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
group of builders contacted us offering to rebuild the house and | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
supply the materials for free. But it remains very hard to understand | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
why it has been so difficult for this whole mess to be sorted out. | :26:20. | :26:30. | |
Yes, I have got to say that is one of the most upsetting cases I have | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
ever covered. That is a horror story about the kindness of strangers is | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
wonderful. What would frustrate me the most is there does not seem to | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
be an answer at the moment and that must drive you crazy when you think | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
about what they have lost. Meanwhile lots of consumer stories making the | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
news today. The energy companies, with the headline saying the big six | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
explored the loopholes so you don't get a good deal. New customers get | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
the good deals and loyal people like ourselves don't get the benefit of | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
that, so not good. Chase them up. Loyalty counts for nothing. From the | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
sublime to the ridiculous, at the other end of the scale there is | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
outrage that chocolate Oranges are getting smaller! Shock horror! They | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
are shrinking by 10%. That is outrageous! New figures have | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
pinpointed who is apparently most at risk from so-called boiler room | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
investment scams and guess who it is according to the Guardian newspaper? | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
Men aged 65 and over. Women over 65 would never fall for that! And | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
Gloria is in the Telegraph! No faith in banks after fraud and that is | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
pretty clear after the stories we have been running today. And they | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
are correct, no faith. It is not just me who has been targeted by | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
fraud. I have heard of so many stories since. But how sure can any | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
of us be that our money is safe in the bank? Earlier in the programme, | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
we saw how a so-called lookalike led a group of fraudsters to raid my | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
savings account. Bold as brass, they walked into the bank and convinced a | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
member of staff to give them access to my money. I would like to think | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
that was a one-off, but after hearing what happened to me, | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
Jonathan Lovett and his wife got in touch with Rip Off | :28:21. | :28:31. | |
Britain to say the very same thing happened to them. Like me, they were | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
blissfully unaware that they have become the victims of fraud, until | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
Barbie tried to use their debit card. I was driving home and I | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
needed petrol, so I stopped and filled up the car and I went to pay | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
with my joint account card, and it was declined. Then I went shopping | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
to get some food, and the same thing happened again. It was only when | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
Barbie arrived home and Jonathan checked their bank account online | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
that the truth became clear. I started looking down and scrolling | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
through the entries on the statement, and I saw ?5,000 and also | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
?4000 had been taken out of the account. Then I saw that ?10,000 had | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
been transferred from one account to another. I said this is | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
extraordinary! This can't be happening. In the space of a few | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
hours, the fraudsters had visited four separate branches of Barclays | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
and somehow they had managed to make seven cash withdrawals, totalling | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
?20,000, from the accounts. Desperate to stop them getting their | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
hands on any more of their money, Jonathan immediately called the bank | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
using the number on the back of his debit card. I explained what had | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
happened and I was told I needed to be transferred to another number and | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
it might take some time. Over the course of three and a half hours | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
there was a sense here that we were maybe responsible for this, either | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
because we had been negligent with the way we had used our cards and | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
revealed our PIN numbers, or maybe that we were complicit in the fraud. | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
Not only did we have the shock of losing the money but this situation | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
where the bank thinks maybe you were part of the scam. | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
During the process of reporting the theft they hit a brick wall when | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
they failed to correctly answer some of the security questions. At about | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
11pm we were left in limbo. The bank wouldn't talk to us any more. We | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
have to wait until 10am the next morning to get into the local | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
branch. We spent a sleepless night and turned up there like a couple of | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
zombies. This woman came up to greet us. I think both of us in an | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
emotional way said we've had ?20,000 stolen from our bank account and | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
that is how the conversation began. The start of a pretty harrowing | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
process to get the bank to admit the fraud had taken place and to make | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
the repayment into our account. One week later Barclay's Bank credited | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
their account with the ?20,000 which had been stolen, but the fraud case | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
is still ongoing. We've never been given any explanation about how the | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
fraud took place. None whatsoever. Who might have done it, how it was | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
structured, how many people might be involved, or whatever. Even though | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
it is something that happened to us. I don't feel happy about what has | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
happened at all. And I don't feel confident that it won't happen | :31:28. | :31:36. | |
again. We are thinking to ourselves, perhaps we ought to change our bank | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
account, but then you think, to who? Where? Is it going to be any better? | :31:42. | :31:50. | |
Fortunately the way in which we were both targeted is unusual, because | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
the vast majority of people would not have the audacity to walk into a | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
bank and clear out an account. Most fraud is done over the Internet by | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
faceless cybercriminals. Even so, it seems that over-the-counter bank | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
fraud is not as rare as we'd hoped. Just last week the professional now | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
jockeys Association warned its members not to keep their money in | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
high street banks after a string of thefts which saw around ?200,000 | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
stolen from jockeys' accounts. Again, probably using fake ID. | :32:22. | :32:30. | |
Hello, lovely to see you. To see if the banks are doing enough to keep | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
our money says, I'm meeting up with David Clarke, once one of the | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
country's most senior fraud detectives are now part of the fraud | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
advisory panel which works to prevent such crimes from happening. | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
My account hasn't even been touched for nearly two years. Surely they | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
would have had something to alert them to the fact that this was | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
unusual activity. It does kind of say, there is something missing in | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
between here. Seeing people walk into branches, it is an old trick | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
that has come back. It needs to be blocked. In terms of the driving | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
licence that was produced as identity, it was my details, name, | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
address, but the fraudsters' photograph was on it. Now the police | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
say that it was probably made in a sitting room somewhere in an | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
upstairs bedroom, a complete fake. -- fraudster's photograph. How easy | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
is it to get that kind of stuff? Tragically, very easy. With | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
technology these days the ability to download from websites, fake utility | :33:32. | :33:40. | |
bills, passports... I got this this morning, here is a P 60, a utility | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
bill, a bank statement. They look authentic. They look real. These | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
would be difficult for a professional to identify. They are | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
excellent quality. This is what I fraudster needs to go in and open an | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
account. I often say to people, the UK, we are some of the global | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
leaders in technology. Some of the systems are excellent. But is that | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
rolled out, who was not available to? Banks will have it for certain | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
parts of their business. It works extremely well. Others won't. From | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
your case, from what I've read, there was a suggestion that the lady | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
put it under a UV light. Yes, in the Old Bailey she said that, is it a | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
proper test? I don't know what the bank's particular requirements are. | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
From what you've described, put it under a UV light, whether it is a | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
driving licence or a utility bill, it is not enough. Would it be fair | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
for me to say that banks with more money -- put more money into credit | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
card fraud than they do with locked away accounts like mine? Losses from | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
bank accounts, people sending money off discounts, runs into hundreds of | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
millions, if not billions. The truth is we all lose. I am feeling | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
vulnerable. My feeling is that banks are not putting enough training into | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
their staff to insist that they do stringent checks. You are quite | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
right. Preventing fraud is about, you know, getting these good | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
practices into habitual behaviour. That is for the bank, the tellers, | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
the people in the call centres, and customers. It is education. With | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
some kind of financial scam committed every 15 seconds, it seems | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
there is still a long way to go. Nobody wants to go back to the old | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
days of putting your money in a shoe box and sticking it under the bed. | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
But the banks are going to have to work very hard to convince me that | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
they are keeping our money as safe as it should be. With all of the | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
high-tech security and technology around these days, I still find it | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
unbelievable that strangers could just walk in off the street, go into | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
the bank and effectively just help themselves. | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
It is an extraordinary story. Terrible. Barclay's Bank told us | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
that while the correct decision was made to return the couple's money, | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
they accept they could have handled the case better. They want to | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
apologise to them and they reassured that they will learn from what | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
happened. We asked the British bankers | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
Association to come in and give us some reassurance on all of this, but | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
unfortunately they said they didn't have anybody available this morning. | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
It stressed that tackling fraud is a top priority. The banks stop ?7 in | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
?10 of all attempts last year. -- stopped. They spent a lot of money | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
on sophisticated equipment. They work closely with government and | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
fraud agencies to try to stop all courts of fraud. -- sorts of fraud. | :36:50. | :36:56. | |
The fact representative couldn't come in today tells me something. | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
But I'm joined by barrister Stephen Mason who has written books on bank | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
security. And also represented clients in cases against the banks. | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
Do you think we, collectively, will ever feel safe with banks? | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
It is debatable. Banks have to understand they are in the business | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
of risk and controlling it. When I was on -- in bomb disposal, that is | :37:20. | :37:30. | |
what we did. Is it bigger than what is being reported? It is. As a | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
result of getting some figures from the commissioner at the Metropolitan | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
Police in the City of London, I reckon there is at least 1.9 billion | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
people affected who are not in the official figures. I have to laugh a | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
bit when I hear statement saying we have the best technology possibly in | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
the world. -- statements. Why are they not putting it in? In the end, | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
it cost the bank money because I got the money back. Why don't they put | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
the money into the technology? I can't answer that. With your | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
particular example, what I find extraordinary is that you cannot | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
rely on the document itself. It could be fraud, as we have seen. You | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
should be double-checking where the document comes from. If you have a | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
passport, there is no reason why the banks couldn't double-check with the | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
passport office to check if it is legitimate. Elementary. Very pleased | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
to have come in today. I think we might return to the subject. Thank | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
you. You are welcome. If you have anything to say about banks, scams, | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
or anything else, let us know about it. We will be catching up with your | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
e-mails in a moment. First, all week we are revealing the consumer habits | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
of some quite familiar faces. I can vouch for the fact that our | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
first familiar face, belonging to Jeremy Vine, that he is a nice man | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
but for somebody who comes across so amenable he is also extremely good | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
at complaining. Let's go to the newsroom... He is the voice of Radio | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
2's lunchtime radio news show. No election programme would be the same | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
without him. In Wales, for example, when Labour are dominant... And he | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
is the new face of BBC One's Crimewatch. Good evening and welcome | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
to the programme... But how good is Jeremy at fighting his own corner as | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
a consumer? You have this reputation as a tough interviewer. You take on | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
heads of corporation. You take on MPs. You take on all sorts of | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
people. What kind of things do you complain about? I think you should | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
always complain with humour. You've got to make them enjoy the | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
complaint. They need to put the complaint on their office wall. You | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
need to complain with humour, always. I'm interested in the way | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
you use your Twitter. You have over half a million followers. Do you see | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
the Internet as a powerful tool in the hands of consumers? It is | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
incredibly powerful. Twitter is like a notice board. You put up your | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
tweet on the notice board, other people see it. If they decide to | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
spread it you can find that a tweet from somebody who is pretty obscure | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
suddenly goes viral, or gets spread everywhere. The customer now has the | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
way back to the company. I was on a train once, I could see the tea | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
trolley and it wasn't moving. I tweeted, looks like insert name of | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
company, is thinking of installing their trolley in a museum. Because | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
this thing isn't moving. Then a moment later I saw these two has | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
pushed its trolley. It turned, lumbered towards me, and this man in | :40:38. | :40:45. | |
a uniform said" was it you who tweeted, then? " And I just thought, | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
wow, the power consumers have. Clearly you care a lot about | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
consumer rights. What are your top tips? I have turned the whole thing | :40:55. | :41:04. | |
around. I look for shops where there is bad service and I try to give | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
them good customer presence. By doing what? I am friendly, cheerful, | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
I say, I hope you're having a good day, look as if you are busy, I hope | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
I haven't got in the way. I'm not being sarcastic. I just think, that | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
spread some love. Does it pay off, do you get better service? Mostly | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
not. But once in a while... CHUCKLES | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
Thank you. Pleasure. He is a nice man. But it is the smile on the face | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
of a tiger when he says that. As you can imagine, you have been | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
sending in loads of your comments while we have been on the air, | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
particularly about our banking story. | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
I wonder why that is. Including comments from a lot of | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
banking staff. We will pick up on those later in the week. First, a | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
tweet from Linda Webb who says I think the banks should have a | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
photograph of you on your system so they could check. How easy would | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
that be? Simple. | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
Barbara Richards asks where is the best place to put your money without | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
good interest rate and -- with a good interest rate and where it is | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
safe. The interest on ordinary account is about 1%. 2% if you lock | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
it away for four years. Nothing to write home about. If you put some | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
money into a current account some current accounts pay up to 5%, but | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
only for a year, otherwise other accounts pay up to 1.5% for certain | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
amounts. But do look out for FSC S, it protects up to ?75,000, but that | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
could be with some banks who are in the same group so it is important to | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
check. -- FSCS. Jeff Randall fumbled and asks why TV and Internet | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
companies charge so much for installation when it is just a | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
matter of plugging in a device. -- Jeff from Northumberland. I agree. | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
My advice is to use your power as a consumer to haggle with them and | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
say, well, another provider when charge me. All it is is flicking a | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
switch, and if they don't budge, go to somebody else who will. Shop | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
around. Absolutely. This is from Robert in King's Lynn, he says you | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
mentioned in a programme about cold callers ringing you are, what about | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
cold callers knocking on the door? Another big problem. Good news is | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
you have better rights than he used. If they are trying to persuade you | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
to sign up for a legitimate service, or something to buy, and it costs | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
more than ?42, that is the magic figure, you 14 days -- you have 14 | :43:47. | :43:56. | |
days to cancel. But there are some rogues. In some areas with | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
neighbourhood watch you can get a note cold calling zone. But if you | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
get somebody trying to sell you something and they don't offer | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
cancellation right, you can report them. Or slam the door in their | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
face! LAUGHTER | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
That is where we must leave it. It has flown by. We loved having your | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
company and questions. We would do it all over again. | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
And we will do it tomorrow with Ross Altman who will blow the whistle on | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
what she really thinks about how the government has handled changes to | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
women's pensions. -- Ros Altman. See you at 9:15am sharp. | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
Goodbye. | :44:43. | :44:44. |