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joined by the children's author Liz Pinchon. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Next on BBC One, though, Gloria Hunniford, Angela Rippon | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
and Julia Somerville are standing by ready to tackle all | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
And welcome to Day 2 of our special week of live | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
Today we've a whistleblowing former minister, one of the world's | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
best known film stars, and a masterclass in how | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
to get voice-activated technology to actually work. | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
As if that wasn't enough, we'll be tackling the strange case | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
What's the answer if yours do the same? | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off. You told us | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
about the companies you think get it wrong and customer service that | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
simply isn't up to scratch. I've complained and complained that | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
nobody takes any notice of me. In all honesty I think it's a way for | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
shops to make more money. You've asked us to track down the scam | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
artist to have taken money off you. You don't want to spend any more but | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
they always want to offer you things extra. When you've lost out and | :01:07. | :01:15. | |
nobody is to blame, you tell us how to stop others falling into the same | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
trap. You ring up the company and they say it's not their fault. We | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
are here to find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
it. Your stories, your money, this is Rip Off Britain. | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
Hello and thanks for joining us once again for Rip Off Britain Live. | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
Thanks too for the huge response we had to yesterday's programme. | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
We've been inundated with your emails and messages. | :01:38. | :01:46. | |
After I told the story of how fraudsters targeted my life savings, | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
dozens of you got in touch to tell us how unhappy you are with bank | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
We'll read some of your comments later. | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
Our experts are standing by to answer your questions. | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
So please do get in touch right now - at [email protected]. | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
Or look for BBC Rip off Britain on Facebook. | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
We've got another packed programme for you today. | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
will be spilling the beans on why she feels tens of thousands of woman | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
have been let down by her former bosses. | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Also coming up this morning, voicing your frustration! | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Why communicating with technology drives so many of you up the wall. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
Star Wars' Luke Skywalker, actor Mark Hamill, talks coupons | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
And after some great results yesterday, | :02:39. | :02:49. | |
our experts are back to fight your corner | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
Personal finance expert Sarah Pennells joins us once again, | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
After all, we are live all this week and we want to hear from you. | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
But first, as we've reported before, there's a whole generation of women | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
furious about not simply a big change to when they're able | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
to claim their state pension but, crucially, how and when they were | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
Many of them say they've been left significantly out of pocket. | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
And a woman who's really in a position to know, says they're | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
Former pensions minister Baroness Altmann says she had | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
to hold her tongue on all this - at least publicly. | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
And when she decided to say what she really thinks, | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
Hard-working, self-motivated. At 60, Francesca never expected to be | :03:31. | :03:47. | |
updating her CV and looking for work. She had always imagined the | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
milestone age she reached in January would be the moment at which she | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
could retire. I naturally assumed that come 60 I would be able to do | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
pretty much whatever I wanted to do. I just envisaged I would live quite | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
comfortably, just muddling on, really. But Francesca is one of many | :04:10. | :04:17. | |
who say their plans have been blown out of the water by a major change | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
to the age at which women can withdraw state pension. For decades | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
they could do it at 60. Five years earlier than men. However, by 2020, | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
both men and women's state pension age will be 66. And while that is a | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
response to the fact we are all typically living longer, you would | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
hope that such a fundamental change might have been fully and clearly | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
communicated to those affected, well in advance. But that isn't what's | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
happened. I only found out my state pension age was going to change from | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
60 to 66 when I was 57, in 2013. I don't think it was fair notice at | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
all. We should all have been notified way before then. So we | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
could have put some sort of plan, if you like, into action. It's | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
estimated there are 500,000 women who, like Francesca, were born in | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
the 1950s and had planned and budgeted for giving up work at 60. | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
But it was already getting close to that date by the time they were | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
officially told that they wouldn't get their pensions for another six | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
years. Francesca resigned herself to simply staying longer at work. But | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
when she did turn 60, work dried up, and she struggled to find another | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
job. I felt that I had enough savings to have a comfortable | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
retirement, obviously that has dwindled now. Because I don't have a | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
pension, and also I'm actually unemployed. In fact it was way back | :05:57. | :06:05. | |
in 1995 that the government first passed a bill saying the pension age | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
would have to increase. But it wasn't until a full 14 years later, | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
in 2009, before letters started being sent to the women who would be | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
affected. Even then, the letters weren't sent to everyone at the same | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
time, or with the same information. Francesca didn't get hers for | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
another four years, which she feels left little time to totally rethink | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
her financial future. I've got over 40 years of paying in, national | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
insurance, and it was part of the deal then that I would retire at 60. | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
They have the government of the day, back then and now, have renege on | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
that deal. An awful lot of women feel the same way, as we saw at the | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
pop-up shop earlier this year. I've been in work all my life. All that | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
time I thought I could retire at 60, only to get to 58 years old and find | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
the goalposts had been moved. So all my dreams of retirement are | :07:09. | :07:16. | |
shattered. And someone who feels equally strongly about the issue is | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
former pensions minister, Baroness Ros Altmann. Having left the role in | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
July, she now feels free to say exactly what she thinks, and she | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
agrees with the women that how and when the change was communicated was | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
spectacularly mishandled. How did they get it so wrong? It seems to me | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
that successive governments have failed to understand how ordinary | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
people live, and what ordinary people know. They have failed to | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
tell them properly because they just assume everybody knows it, and they | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
don't. The changes were first announced in 1995. They had plenty | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
of years, plenty of time to tell people. How come they haven't done | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
it? It's a massive failure of public policy. The government had so many | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
years where they could have told them properly, had a national | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
advertising campaign and made sure people have the best possible chance | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
to find out what was happening to their state pension age, and yet it | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
didn't do so. Is it put down to incompetence? The government doesn't | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
want to spend the money on advertising, but as far as I'm | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
concerned, the government spends so much money on advertising things | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
that aren't nearly as important as this. And therefore, this is a | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
justifiable use of public resources. We have seen what problems have been | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
caused for women who didn't know about the state pension age changes | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
that were coming. The work and pensions select committee has also | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
said that more could and should have been done to communicate the | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
changes. Not least because even when women were finally told, it still | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
wasn't always made clear exactly what the changes were. We've got | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
just some of the documents here and they all say something slightly | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
different. A couple of the letters say that it's going to change, but | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
then you have to wait apply for a leaflet that runs to 44 pages. Why | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
didn't they put everything in one letter? Your guess is as good as | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
mine. My guess is that they went designing the letters for people to | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
send them out. They were writing letters that might have been | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
appropriate for themselves, who knew the information. And that's not good | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
enough. Baroness Ros Altmann hopes that from the House of Lords she can | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
try and help in a way that she's frustrated she couldn't while in | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
government. When you were Minister for pensions | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
you were very guarded when interviewed. When you are a minister | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
you are not allowed to criticise public policy and stay being gay | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
minister. You are obviously working within a literal straitjacket. -- | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
being a minister. Do you feel any guilt that you couldn't do more? -- | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
within a political straitjacket. I'm not sure guilt is the word I would | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
use, but certainly great sadness and regret. I believed what the | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
officials were telling me when they said what I should say, and I use | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
those arguments. It wasn't until later, when some of the women wrote | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
to me directly and I found a slightly different picture, which | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
was that the government failed in its attempts to communicate with | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
them. And it perhaps misled them, all loads them into a false sense of | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
security, believing the state pension age was still 60, partly | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
because the government led them to believe that. But the women most | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
affected are not giving up without a fight. With many, including | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
Francesca, taking part in protests around the country. They are not | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
objecting to the change in pension age itself, but to the way that | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
women born in the 1950s simply were not given sufficient notice or time | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
to plan. It makes a massive difference when you are trying to | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
plan for your retirement and have defined six extra years of money. I | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
only found out in 2012. It has adversely affected me because I've | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
got my mother who is 90 and needs some assistance with her care. I've | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
had to give up work and I'm living off savings. I just had to sell my | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
home and downsize. I shouldn't have been in that position. A rapidly | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
growing campaign group is calling for a more gradual transition for | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
the women born in the 50s whose expectations for retirement have so | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
dramatically changed. Is there any chance at all of the women, and | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
their are about half a million affected by this change, are they | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
likely to get interim payment to see them over that difficult point? I | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
had hoped the government would come forward on its own with some | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
measures that would alleviate the hardship and suffering that clearly | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
some women are experiencing. But I have to tell you honestly, Angela, I | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
don't see any sign of that at the moment. | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
With little promise of financial assistance on the horizon, Francesca | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
faces an uncertain future. At a time in life when she thought she would | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
be receiving a regular pension. This is not a benefit. It's an | :12:50. | :12:59. | |
entitlement. We paid in, and the government should pay out. | :13:00. | :13:07. | |
We are already being bombarded with e-mails from many of you watching | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
the programme this morning saying that you are in exactly the same | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
position as the people we have seen on the film. | :13:17. | :13:18. | |
Well, the Department of Work and Pensions told us... | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
"The decision to equalise the State Pension age | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
was made over 20 years ago and achieves a long-overdue move | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
There are no plans to change the transitional arrangements | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
already in place, and women retiring today can still expect | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
to receive the State Pension for 26 years on average, | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
I don't think that will be much comfort at all to the people | :13:36. | :13:43. | |
watching this morning. Ros Altmann is here, | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
along with Lesley Jaggard, who has been affected by those | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
changes, and - giving some advice - personal finance | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
expert Sarah Pennels. Starting with Lesley, when did you | :13:51. | :13:59. | |
hear about the changes and how did they affect you? I first heard about | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
the changes about 18 months before I reached the age of 60. All my | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
working life I have been knowing, not expecting or imagining, but | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
knowing I would retire at 60. And at no time before 2012 did anybody lead | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
me to believe, or give me any information about it increasing. I | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
will retire at 64 and a half. Women a year younger than me will retire | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
at 66. It's far too late to change your plans. | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
And this is something affecting not just your state pension but your | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
work pension. I have a small occupational pension and that only | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
kicks in, I can only take the full amount from the age of my state | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
pension age. I can take it earlier, but considerably reduced. Sarah, is | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
there anything in place the state can do to help women over this | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
period? The real problem, and the reason there result much activity | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
around this is that all the benefits that are designed to help people in | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
older age on low income are links to the state pension age. So for women | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
who cannot work or want to work but cannot get a job, it is jobseeker's | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
allowance, unemployment benefits, but after a few months if you have a | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
husband or partner, their income and financial assets are taken into | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
account, so you may find that you get no money. I think this is why | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
this campaign has found such a strong voice because these women are | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
really stuck between a rock and a hard place. And none of this comes | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
as a surprise to you, Rose. You said that when you were a minister, your | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
hands were tied but a lot of women are seeing, why did you not do more | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
when you were a minister? Believe me, I was really trying. I | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
campaigned for women in 2011 when the second state pension age | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
increase was going through, trying to warn the then ministers that this | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
was an injustice and it should not be happening, and we need to wait | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
and give people more notice. At that stage I did not realise how abject | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
the failure had been in terms of informing women about the 1995 | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
changes. But that is what makes it so difficult for me. I assumed that | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
women knew about the first change and that women were aware that they | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
were not going to get their state pension at 60, but the second | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
increase had been imposed upon them. It turns out that the government | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
failed to actually tell them properly that it was not 60. They | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
sent letters to millions of people in 2004 around that time, telling | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
them roughly what sort of state pension level they would get and how | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
much they might get. And we looked at some of those letters. But it did | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
not tell them they would not get it at 60. So now you are in the Lords, | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
and we have heard the pensions minister saying there is no money | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
and he's not going to do anything. Briefly, what can you now do from | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
the Lord's to actually make things better? All I can try to do is keep | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
making sure that this issue is raised whenever there is a debate, | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
to keep trying to persuade the government that there is a serious | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
issue here. There are women really suffering hardship. It is a failure | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
of communication. I think there needs to be some legal action to | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
back this up. Ironically, the best chance is probably in Europe, but I | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
know that the women are looking at that route as well. And all we can | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
do is try to keep highlighting it but the government seems to want to | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
wait until everyone is getting the attention and then just say, well, | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
it is all sorted. And of course it isn't. We have literally been | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
inundated. We will pick up on what they have been saying later. | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
Well, let us know what you think about that, just as you did | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
on the stories we covered on the programme yesterday. | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
And after I revealed how fraudsters walked off the street and stole | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
money from my bank account, lots of you contacted us to say | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
the same thing happened to you, including Bob Turner, | :18:15. | :18:16. | |
But it's always good to hear the other side. | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
Angela Foster emailed to say she works in a building society | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
and every day she gets abuse from customers when she asks | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
She feels her employer's security measures are very stringent. | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
That's something Laureen Sinclair agrees with. | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
She says that when she asked a customer for identification | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
she was accused of being a jobsworth and subjected to foul language. | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
She added, "I agree more must be done, but please bring proper | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
identification and answer any questions with good manners". | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
Lisa David, for example, says, why can't banks use a thumb print | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
system like they do at her son's school | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
And that photograph, that somebody suggested. | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
Well, we love it when you pass on your own tips too. | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
As demonstrated by the reaction to one of our recent stories. | :19:12. | :19:19. | |
If you want to help me with this shredding, there is quite a bit. A | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
few weeks ago we meant some dedicated super shredders, lives and | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
John Cooper. That has your name and address on the inside. Every day | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
they shred everything and anything that has their name and address on | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
it, from junk mail to official letters and much more besides. That | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
is the lot. You have to shred everything that has your address on | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
it if you want to be safer. So much junk mail comes through the post and | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
it has personal details on it, so you have to shred those. | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
Particularly name and address. It has to be shredded. Because it | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
cannot be used. After seeing the Coopers, lots of you wanted to pass | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
on your own tips on how to make sure your personal details do not fall | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
into the handss scanners. -- into the hands. Tom adopts a novel | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
approach. He puts the paper in a sink full of water until it is | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
soaked through, and then he squeezes its like a dish cloth. He says if | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
anyone can find his details in this soggy mess, they deserve to have | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
them. Meanwhile Stephen suggests that rather than shred everything, | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
just rip off the bits that actually has your details on it, shred that | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
and recycle the rest. He says it reduces shredding waste by 90%. And | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
Frank, so careful with his personal information that he only gave us his | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
first name, says that after he shreds, he puts all the bits in the | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
compost heap in his back garden, mixes them up with grass cuttings, | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
weeds and the tea bags from his kitchen, and good luck to anyone | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
trying to reassemble his details from all that lot. Several times | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
recently we have reported on problems people have had their water | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
bills. Jean Garner and many of her neighbours in Northamptonshire | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
discovered they had been paying over the odds for decades. | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
Since at least the 1980s we have been paying Severn Trent ?370 a year | :21:21. | :21:28. | |
for a service that we are not receiving. Jean and the others had | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
been paying their local water company a fee for what is called | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
storm water collection, which it turns out they had never needed | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
because their homes were built with a system that lets water drain into | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
the garden. Even so, until we intervened, the water company would | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
only refund the last year's overpayments. It is the principal. | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
They have been charging us for a service they have not been | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
providing. After we got involved, refunds were backdated to 2003. | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
Meanwhile, a couple of weeks ago we met a man who after discovering how | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
much could be slashed from his water bills, was determined to make sure | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
his fellow council tenants did not make the same mistake. He wanted | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
them to make the same savings. This year you have been paying ?284, so | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
you should be paying ?103. Crikey. That is a big difference! Michael | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
Johnson is now paying well under half of what he previously paid | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
after learning that for people like him living alone, having a water | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
meter could reduce his bills dramatically. Tell me what you want | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
now that you know that you were paying too much and you have a | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
better bill. Hopefully I might get some money back but I am not holding | :22:49. | :22:56. | |
my breath. Frustratingly, unlike other utility providers, we have no | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
choice about who supplies are water. But that may change. Yes, because we | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
understand the government is the king of opening up the water market | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
to competition in a similar way to other utilities. | :23:11. | :23:11. | |
Deryck Hall from the Consumer Council for Water is here. | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Deryck, presumably you're all for it? | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
Customers would welcome choice, according to our research, but the | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
problem is that the government looks at costs and benefits, and of what's | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
view is that customers would save ?8 on average. -- Ofwat's view. ?8 | :23:37. | :23:46. | |
Siemens a small amount. You have to understand that it is only the | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
retail outlets of the bill that would change. The water that you | :23:51. | :23:59. | |
receive, and the services you take away, would still be offered by the | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
companies that currently serve you. It is just the retail element, the | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
metering, billing and answering complaints. And that is just 10% of | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
the total bill. Tell us about this online water calculation system that | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
you have got going. We have a water meter calculator and last year | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
250,000 people used it. Last time it was featured on your programme, we | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
received ten hits per second on our website. It does help customers make | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
a decision about moving from an unmeasured charge to a metre charge. | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
And it could save them about ?100 a time. That is rather better than the | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
measly ?8. Yes, and bearing in mind that Ofwat have taken the view that | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
switching to a different retailer would probably be multiples of that. | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
We are talking about 3 million people. We do not think it is | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
feasible. We think the number of people who switched would be lower, | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
probably about 2%. We shall see. Thank you very much. Good news. | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
Yesterday, in our pop-up shop, we helped retired firefighter Noel, | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
who'd been having sleepless nights over a huge energy bill he should | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
Well, after we stepped in, his supplier wrote | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
And Gloria's outside hoping we can pull off | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
You bet. We will be doing our very best this morning. Lots of lovely | :25:24. | :25:36. | |
people around. Caroline Welles, doing her work. She is the financial | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
ombudsman and we will be talking to her later. And of course we have our | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
personal guru, Sarah pennels. Morning, both of you. | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
Now, sometimes we get emails that make us think, "Oh yes, | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
Well, Margaret Hutcherson from Torquay wrote to us recently | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
questioning why till receipts were literally fading | :25:57. | :25:58. | |
Margaret, tell us what happened to you? | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
Well, it started off when I bought some items from a local shop and | :26:03. | :26:12. | |
found that I did not need them, to be honest. I tried to find the till | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
receipt to exchange it, and to my amazement it had been on a sunny | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
windowsill, and it was as black as the ace of spades. As it was, it was | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
not an important item, so and never exchanged it and I never knew why | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
until I read later. Sarah will know about this but sometimes a shop will | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
say, no receipt, no exchange, no money back. So that receipt is very | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
important. That's right, if you buy something that turns out to be | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
faulty, you do not need a receipt to get a refund. But if you want to | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
exchange it, the shop will be within its rights. In the old days we would | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
have receipt on paper and they lasted for years but now it is an | :26:58. | :27:08. | |
thermal paper because it is cheaper. The problem is, if you pay with | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
cash, as Margaret did, or if you want to have proof of purchase, you | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
have to have a way of holding onto that receipt. Quickly, what would | :27:15. | :27:16. | |
you do? What is the tip? Firstly, shops can e-mail you the receipts | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
but check what they are using your e-mail for. Secondly, take a picture | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
of a receipt, or if you have a hairdryer, use the back of the | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
receipt, Blossom hot air on it and it might come back. My tip is you | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
can always use your bank statements. Come with me because Siobhan is over | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
here, and we are pleased to welcome you to the programme. She wrote to | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
ours recently with a complicated car insurance problem that you have been | :27:44. | :27:52. | |
delving into for how many months? To make years, since 2014. That is a | :27:53. | :27:59. | |
big problem. -- two years. You come up with, Sarah? Well, it is | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
completed its story but Siobhan thought when she switched to ensure | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
she might be blamed for an accident she did not have. The good news is | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
that once we got involved, your insurer said that your file had been | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
incorrectly closed. It is now refunded part of the premiums for | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
the last two years, almost ?200 and what is more, they will give you a | :28:23. | :28:32. | |
?250 goodwill payment as well. Result! I am thrilled with that and | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
I am thrilled that my records are now clean. I've treasure my no | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
claims bonus. It seems very unfair that sometimes it is knock for | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
knock. It is very unfair. It seems like this is a crash for cash scam, | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
which was popular a couple of years ago. They could really devastate a | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
no claims record. I am glad we got this sorted. Thank you. She is happy | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
and we get results! Back to the studio! | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
We'll see what else we can do throughout the week. | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
And there are warnings this morning from Samsung to all owners | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
of its Galaxy Note 7 device not to use it while it | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
investigates further reports of the device catching fire. | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
And we'll be returning to the story of another device catching fire - | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
those Whirlpool tumble dryers - later in the week. | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
Meanwhile, it's reported in one of the papers that fear of big fuel | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
bills means 29% of us delay switching on our heating. | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
That comes from a survey by one of the comparison sites, | :29:40. | :29:41. | |
which also found that next Sunday - October 16th - is apparently | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
the most popular date to turn the heating on. | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
And the front page of the Telegraph - apparently the BBC has been told | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
Well, let's hope we're still working when we get to grand old age of 50! | :29:52. | :30:02. | |
Yesterday quite a few of you responded to our story | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
on the best way to tackle those dreaded cold calls. | :30:05. | :30:06. | |
But Doug from Maidstone perhaps has the most unusual | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
He says if he gets one of those calls about a car accident | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
he's supposedly had, he tells the caller the accident | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
left him decapitated, but a wonderful surgeon managed | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
Well today - we've something else that drives you mad - | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
It's a familiar frustration for many. Liverpool. | :30:23. | :30:44. | |
And she's only trying to find out what's on at the cinema. | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
Useless. This research will lead to hundreds of new gadgets. In the 80s | :30:51. | :31:00. | |
voice recognition was heralded as the future. It should now react with | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
almost 100% reliability. We hope so, anyway. Right... As with any new | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
technology, there were teething problems. Go to word list. One more | :31:13. | :31:21. | |
chance. Go to word list! I suppose it is just one of those things. But | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
even now, despite increasingly becoming part of everyday life, it | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
seems that many of us are still having those same teething problems. | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly. | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
Not everybody thinks it's a nightmare, however. Set a reminder, | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
watch Rip Off Britain. Our technology expert David McClelland | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
is far more enthusiastic. So he has come to Liverpool to see if he can | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
help those struggling with those getting it to work. Nice wheels. My | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
little baby. Malcolm loves new gadgets, and with voice assisted | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
technology that was introduced a car is a few years back, he couldn't | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
wait to give it a go. But the novelty soon wore off. CD player, | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
track one. Oh dear, not off to a good start. CDC, disk four. Didn't | :32:23. | :32:33. | |
like it. Play track one. Oh dear. What do you know about the speech | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
recognition system in a car at the moment? It doesn't work! CDC, disk | :32:37. | :32:51. | |
four, track one. Playing track 47. It's frustrating. BEEP. IT'S | :32:52. | :33:03. | |
FRUSTRATING. Malcolm suggests using words that only the technology | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
recognises. When you are using the systems they are listening out for | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
keywords and unless you say that at the beginning of the sentence, it | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
doesn't have a clue what the rest of the sentence is about. One more | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
time, if it doesn't work, I'll buy your new car. Play disk four, track | :33:21. | :33:32. | |
one. Hurray! Congratulations. It worked, thanks for the lessons. | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
Unlike the technology built into cars, mobile phones are continually | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
updating themselves and getting smarter all the time. Do I need an | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
umbrella today? Welcome to the open top bus, we will | :33:44. | :33:55. | |
give you a bit of history and a bit of humour. That's all right? You | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
might assume the technology only works in the hands of people who | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
talk like our David, and it still struggles with different accents, | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
but that's no longer the case. Hello there, all right. Welcome to the | :34:08. | :34:15. | |
bus. Liverpool tour guide Dave uses his voice all day, everyday, but up | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
until now he hasn't been tempted to engage verbally with his phone. How | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
important is your voice in your job? Very important. A lot of the people | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
who get on wants to hear the Scouse accent. What is it about voice | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
recognition technology that makes you not want to use it? It's | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
frustrating, it doesn't always work. Not the way you wanted to. I come | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
from a generation that if something doesn't work, you smack it on the | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
top and it works. You can't do that with a computer, as I found out. | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
Dave changes his tune when he sees for himself what sort of thing is | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
the latest technology can do. Scientists are saying you can speak | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
three times faster than you can type into a smartphone. Would you find it | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
useful? One of the problems I have with my phone is that the buttons | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
are so small that quite often I will touch two at the same time. So this | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
touch-screen, and voice activation is brilliant stuff. Could you tell | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
me the directions from Liverpool to Wrexham? Getting directions from | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
Liverpool to Wrexham. That's quite useful. I might get one now. Very | :35:27. | :35:34. | |
soon it's this kind of technology banks will rely on to help us access | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
accounts. I must say, I would be interesting in finding more about | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
that after own recent experience with insecurity. I had the channels | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
to test it out with David at this year's pop-up shop. The first thing | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
you need to do is register your voice. What you have to do is say, | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
my voice is my password, three times. From those three times, it | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
will have all the information it needs to uniquely identify you. My | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
voice is my password. My voice is my farce password. It says your pass | :36:06. | :36:14. | |
phrase is now activated. To check it is really secure he tries to log in | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
using his voice. I will do my best Northern Irish accent. My voice is | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
my password. Oh no! I can't log in. That accent. For those struggling | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
with technology already out there, David has great advice. My top tips | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
for working with speech recognition software are, avoid background | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
noise, speak clearly, but make sure you don't leave big pauses in the | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
middle of sentences, and try not to run your words together too much. | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
Also, it's like learning a foreign language, learn the keywords of the | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
speech recognition software, what it is looking for. David is saying we | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
should get used to it, because it's here to some of us are still | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
waiting. Liverpool! I didn't catch that. We had fun making that. But | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
I'm not doing much voice recognition on my phone. It's very simple. | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
Teresa Saunders is with us now. She had some trouble recently with voice | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
recognition. We witnessed an accident, got back to my friends | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
house, and I thought the quickness we would use voice recognition. | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
Where was this? It was coming from Barnstaple. In Devon. We got the | :37:33. | :37:42. | |
number up and rang the app, and I was talking to a police officer. Was | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
that the voice recognition answerphone? It was. We were | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
talking, and I thought, he doesn't know where I am. What made you think | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
he didn't know? He kept asking, where's Mudeford? I kept try to | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
explain to him, and we kept talking at cross purposes. It was nonsense, | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
really. He must've thought, where are you? I thought, where are you | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
talking from? When did the penny dropped? I think it was when he | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
said, sorry, I don't know where you are. I thought, he doesn't sound | :38:26. | :38:36. | |
English, he's not English! It wasn't Barnstaple, where? It was | :38:37. | :38:44. | |
Barnstaple, Massachusetts? We tracked down that policeman. Did he | :38:45. | :38:56. | |
say how long it would take? She said, you probably can't help me, | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
and I said no, our response time would be six hours. I thought that | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
was quite good, actually! Oh dear, that's a comment. I find it | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
hilarious, it's not even the same country. Will you keep in touch with | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
that rather handsome policeman? I would like to. Maybe I would visit. | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
Rip Off Britain is good at sorting out problems. Leave it with us. A | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
funny side to that story, but in fact there are people for whom the | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
whole business of voice recognition can be very upsetting. Shane | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
e-mailed, who has cerebral palsy, tried to use it, and never what he | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
says. It affects the cost of the call and already affects his already | :39:42. | :39:50. | |
self-esteem. Is voice recognition technology something that drives you | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
crazy? Let us know if it is. On yesterday's programme, | :39:53. | :40:00. | |
Jeremy Vine told us how Twitter has become his sounding board of choice | :40:01. | :40:02. | |
when it comes to complaining. Today, we'll see if the consumer | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
force is always with Star Wars actor Mark Hamill - | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
or Luke Skywalker as his Hollywood actor Mark Hamill shot to | :40:09. | :40:17. | |
fame in the 1970s with his role as Luke Skywalker at the start of the | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
Star Wars phenomenon. The box office smash launched his face across the | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
galaxy and he became an immediate teenage heart-throb. He's since | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
acted on Broadway, in film and on television, and he's been the voice | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
of numerous animated characters. In 2015, the Star Wars reboot, the | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
force awakens, brought Mark back to the science-fiction big-screen and | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
his many fans. We are a consumer programme, and we love to ask people | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
about whether or not they have any money saving tips as consumers. I | :40:53. | :41:00. | |
can't resist asking you. I'm the middle of seven children, so this | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
was on our mind growing up. My wife is an only child, ironically, but | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
she cuts coupons. The money-saving things in the Sunday papers and so | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
forth. I thought, this was interesting, she said why aren't you | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
dumping them out? The coffee grounds. She said it's good for the | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
garden. If you mix it in with compost. It feels good because you | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
don't waste anything. In general, are you a good complainer as a | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
consumer if things aren't right? I think so, I think there's a certain | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
standard you should be entitled to if you are paying full price. My | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
daughter will say, the eggs are kind of runny. I say, send them back, get | :41:45. | :41:52. | |
them cooked more. There's finding that balance. You don't want to | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
complain so much that people don't listen to you. Pick your battles. | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
Wait until it's something that's critical to you. Otherwise it's like | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
the boy who cried wolf, they will not listen if you complain about | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
everything. But I think in the context of what you're asking, if | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
you are paying full price, you should expect to get what you are | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
paying for in general. Mark, you have been very generous with your | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
time. Thank you. It's such a treat to meet you. I've been a fan for | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
many years. I couldn't believe it when she walked in, Angela Rippon! I | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
won't ask for your autograph. OK, I won't ask for yours. | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
We've just time to get the answer to some of the questions | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
As well as personal finance expert we're | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
joined by Caroline Wells from the financial | :42:45. | :42:45. | |
We've had loads about pensions, particularly from men. Iain Munro | :42:46. | :42:57. | |
says that at 70 he was looking forward to his wife joining him in | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
retirement. But that will not happen until she's 67, greatly diminishing | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
the years they have to enjoy their retirement. We so often forget that | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
male perspective. That's right. When the state pension ages were | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
originally set at 60 for women and 65 for men, they said part of the | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
reason was that women tended to marry older men which meant they | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
could retire at the same time, which now they can't do. One from Jasmine | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
who says she has one of the Samsung seven phones and wants to get out of | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
the contract because this is the second time it's happened. Where | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
does she stand? She needs to go back to the provider and talk about the | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
phone. I completely understand. If you have something that might blow | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
up and you not sure if it works properly, you need to talk to them | :43:47. | :43:55. | |
it. I think... The floor is yours. We are going to have to end the | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
programme because Julia doesn't have time to tell you anything. | :44:00. | :44:01. | |
Well, once again I'm afraid that's all we've got time for today. | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
We hope you've picked up some useful tips - | :44:05. | :44:06. | |
and of course we'll be back tomorrow with more. | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
We'll be exposing the latest cyber crime - revealing how computer | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
hackers managed to steal thousands of pounds from a | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
And we'll be finding out why a teaching assistant from Lancashire | :44:15. | :44:22. | |
keeps being mixed up with a man on the run in South America. | :44:23. | :44:31. | |
Awkward. We will see you tomorrow. From all of us, goodbye. | :44:32. | :44:34. |