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joined by the children's author Liz Pinchon.

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Next on BBC One, though, Gloria Hunniford, Angela Rippon

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and Julia Somerville are standing by ready to tackle all

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And welcome to Day 2 of our special week of live

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Today we've a whistleblowing former minister, one of the world's

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best known film stars, and a masterclass in how

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to get voice-activated technology to actually work.

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As if that wasn't enough, we'll be tackling the strange case

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What's the answer if yours do the same?

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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off. You told us

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about the companies you think get it wrong and customer service that

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simply isn't up to scratch. I've complained and complained that

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nobody takes any notice of me. In all honesty I think it's a way for

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shops to make more money. You've asked us to track down the scam

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artist to have taken money off you. You don't want to spend any more but

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they always want to offer you things extra. When you've lost out and

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nobody is to blame, you tell us how to stop others falling into the same

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trap. You ring up the company and they say it's not their fault. We

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are here to find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about

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it. Your stories, your money, this is Rip Off Britain.

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Hello and thanks for joining us once again for Rip Off Britain Live.

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Thanks too for the huge response we had to yesterday's programme.

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We've been inundated with your emails and messages.

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After I told the story of how fraudsters targeted my life savings,

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dozens of you got in touch to tell us how unhappy you are with bank

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We'll read some of your comments later.

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Our experts are standing by to answer your questions.

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So please do get in touch right now - at [email protected].

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Or look for BBC Rip off Britain on Facebook.

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We've got another packed programme for you today.

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will be spilling the beans on why she feels tens of thousands of woman

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have been let down by her former bosses.

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Also coming up this morning, voicing your frustration!

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Why communicating with technology drives so many of you up the wall.

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Star Wars' Luke Skywalker, actor Mark Hamill, talks coupons

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And after some great results yesterday,

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our experts are back to fight your corner

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Personal finance expert Sarah Pennells joins us once again,

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After all, we are live all this week and we want to hear from you.

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But first, as we've reported before, there's a whole generation of women

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furious about not simply a big change to when they're able

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to claim their state pension but, crucially, how and when they were

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Many of them say they've been left significantly out of pocket.

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And a woman who's really in a position to know, says they're

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Former pensions minister Baroness Altmann says she had

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to hold her tongue on all this - at least publicly.

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And when she decided to say what she really thinks,

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Hard-working, self-motivated. At 60, Francesca never expected to be

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updating her CV and looking for work. She had always imagined the

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milestone age she reached in January would be the moment at which she

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could retire. I naturally assumed that come 60 I would be able to do

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pretty much whatever I wanted to do. I just envisaged I would live quite

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comfortably, just muddling on, really. But Francesca is one of many

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who say their plans have been blown out of the water by a major change

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to the age at which women can withdraw state pension. For decades

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they could do it at 60. Five years earlier than men. However, by 2020,

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both men and women's state pension age will be 66. And while that is a

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response to the fact we are all typically living longer, you would

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hope that such a fundamental change might have been fully and clearly

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communicated to those affected, well in advance. But that isn't what's

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happened. I only found out my state pension age was going to change from

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60 to 66 when I was 57, in 2013. I don't think it was fair notice at

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all. We should all have been notified way before then. So we

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could have put some sort of plan, if you like, into action. It's

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estimated there are 500,000 women who, like Francesca, were born in

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the 1950s and had planned and budgeted for giving up work at 60.

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But it was already getting close to that date by the time they were

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officially told that they wouldn't get their pensions for another six

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years. Francesca resigned herself to simply staying longer at work. But

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when she did turn 60, work dried up, and she struggled to find another

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job. I felt that I had enough savings to have a comfortable

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retirement, obviously that has dwindled now. Because I don't have a

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pension, and also I'm actually unemployed. In fact it was way back

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in 1995 that the government first passed a bill saying the pension age

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would have to increase. But it wasn't until a full 14 years later,

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in 2009, before letters started being sent to the women who would be

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affected. Even then, the letters weren't sent to everyone at the same

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time, or with the same information. Francesca didn't get hers for

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another four years, which she feels left little time to totally rethink

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her financial future. I've got over 40 years of paying in, national

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insurance, and it was part of the deal then that I would retire at 60.

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They have the government of the day, back then and now, have renege on

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that deal. An awful lot of women feel the same way, as we saw at the

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pop-up shop earlier this year. I've been in work all my life. All that

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time I thought I could retire at 60, only to get to 58 years old and find

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the goalposts had been moved. So all my dreams of retirement are

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shattered. And someone who feels equally strongly about the issue is

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former pensions minister, Baroness Ros Altmann. Having left the role in

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July, she now feels free to say exactly what she thinks, and she

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agrees with the women that how and when the change was communicated was

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spectacularly mishandled. How did they get it so wrong? It seems to me

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that successive governments have failed to understand how ordinary

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people live, and what ordinary people know. They have failed to

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tell them properly because they just assume everybody knows it, and they

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don't. The changes were first announced in 1995. They had plenty

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of years, plenty of time to tell people. How come they haven't done

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it? It's a massive failure of public policy. The government had so many

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years where they could have told them properly, had a national

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advertising campaign and made sure people have the best possible chance

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to find out what was happening to their state pension age, and yet it

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didn't do so. Is it put down to incompetence? The government doesn't

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want to spend the money on advertising, but as far as I'm

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concerned, the government spends so much money on advertising things

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that aren't nearly as important as this. And therefore, this is a

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justifiable use of public resources. We have seen what problems have been

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caused for women who didn't know about the state pension age changes

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that were coming. The work and pensions select committee has also

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said that more could and should have been done to communicate the

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changes. Not least because even when women were finally told, it still

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wasn't always made clear exactly what the changes were. We've got

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just some of the documents here and they all say something slightly

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different. A couple of the letters say that it's going to change, but

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then you have to wait apply for a leaflet that runs to 44 pages. Why

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didn't they put everything in one letter? Your guess is as good as

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mine. My guess is that they went designing the letters for people to

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send them out. They were writing letters that might have been

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appropriate for themselves, who knew the information. And that's not good

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enough. Baroness Ros Altmann hopes that from the House of Lords she can

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try and help in a way that she's frustrated she couldn't while in

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government. When you were Minister for pensions

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you were very guarded when interviewed. When you are a minister

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you are not allowed to criticise public policy and stay being gay

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minister. You are obviously working within a literal straitjacket. --

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being a minister. Do you feel any guilt that you couldn't do more? --

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within a political straitjacket. I'm not sure guilt is the word I would

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use, but certainly great sadness and regret. I believed what the

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officials were telling me when they said what I should say, and I use

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those arguments. It wasn't until later, when some of the women wrote

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to me directly and I found a slightly different picture, which

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was that the government failed in its attempts to communicate with

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them. And it perhaps misled them, all loads them into a false sense of

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security, believing the state pension age was still 60, partly

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because the government led them to believe that. But the women most

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affected are not giving up without a fight. With many, including

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Francesca, taking part in protests around the country. They are not

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objecting to the change in pension age itself, but to the way that

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women born in the 1950s simply were not given sufficient notice or time

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to plan. It makes a massive difference when you are trying to

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plan for your retirement and have defined six extra years of money. I

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only found out in 2012. It has adversely affected me because I've

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got my mother who is 90 and needs some assistance with her care. I've

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had to give up work and I'm living off savings. I just had to sell my

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home and downsize. I shouldn't have been in that position. A rapidly

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growing campaign group is calling for a more gradual transition for

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the women born in the 50s whose expectations for retirement have so

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dramatically changed. Is there any chance at all of the women, and

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their are about half a million affected by this change, are they

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likely to get interim payment to see them over that difficult point? I

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had hoped the government would come forward on its own with some

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measures that would alleviate the hardship and suffering that clearly

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some women are experiencing. But I have to tell you honestly, Angela, I

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don't see any sign of that at the moment.

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With little promise of financial assistance on the horizon, Francesca

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faces an uncertain future. At a time in life when she thought she would

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be receiving a regular pension. This is not a benefit. It's an

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entitlement. We paid in, and the government should pay out.

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We are already being bombarded with e-mails from many of you watching

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the programme this morning saying that you are in exactly the same

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position as the people we have seen on the film.

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Well, the Department of Work and Pensions told us...

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"The decision to equalise the State Pension age

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was made over 20 years ago and achieves a long-overdue move

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There are no plans to change the transitional arrangements

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already in place, and women retiring today can still expect

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to receive the State Pension for 26 years on average,

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I don't think that will be much comfort at all to the people

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watching this morning. Ros Altmann is here,

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along with Lesley Jaggard, who has been affected by those

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changes, and - giving some advice - personal finance

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expert Sarah Pennels. Starting with Lesley, when did you

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hear about the changes and how did they affect you? I first heard about

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the changes about 18 months before I reached the age of 60. All my

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working life I have been knowing, not expecting or imagining, but

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knowing I would retire at 60. And at no time before 2012 did anybody lead

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me to believe, or give me any information about it increasing. I

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will retire at 64 and a half. Women a year younger than me will retire

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at 66. It's far too late to change your plans.

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And this is something affecting not just your state pension but your

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work pension. I have a small occupational pension and that only

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kicks in, I can only take the full amount from the age of my state

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pension age. I can take it earlier, but considerably reduced. Sarah, is

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there anything in place the state can do to help women over this

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period? The real problem, and the reason there result much activity

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around this is that all the benefits that are designed to help people in

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older age on low income are links to the state pension age. So for women

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who cannot work or want to work but cannot get a job, it is jobseeker's

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allowance, unemployment benefits, but after a few months if you have a

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husband or partner, their income and financial assets are taken into

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account, so you may find that you get no money. I think this is why

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this campaign has found such a strong voice because these women are

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really stuck between a rock and a hard place. And none of this comes

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as a surprise to you, Rose. You said that when you were a minister, your

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hands were tied but a lot of women are seeing, why did you not do more

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when you were a minister? Believe me, I was really trying. I

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campaigned for women in 2011 when the second state pension age

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increase was going through, trying to warn the then ministers that this

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was an injustice and it should not be happening, and we need to wait

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and give people more notice. At that stage I did not realise how abject

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the failure had been in terms of informing women about the 1995

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changes. But that is what makes it so difficult for me. I assumed that

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women knew about the first change and that women were aware that they

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were not going to get their state pension at 60, but the second

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increase had been imposed upon them. It turns out that the government

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failed to actually tell them properly that it was not 60. They

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sent letters to millions of people in 2004 around that time, telling

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them roughly what sort of state pension level they would get and how

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much they might get. And we looked at some of those letters. But it did

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not tell them they would not get it at 60. So now you are in the Lords,

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and we have heard the pensions minister saying there is no money

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and he's not going to do anything. Briefly, what can you now do from

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the Lord's to actually make things better? All I can try to do is keep

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making sure that this issue is raised whenever there is a debate,

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to keep trying to persuade the government that there is a serious

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issue here. There are women really suffering hardship. It is a failure

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of communication. I think there needs to be some legal action to

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back this up. Ironically, the best chance is probably in Europe, but I

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know that the women are looking at that route as well. And all we can

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do is try to keep highlighting it but the government seems to want to

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wait until everyone is getting the attention and then just say, well,

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it is all sorted. And of course it isn't. We have literally been

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inundated. We will pick up on what they have been saying later.

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Well, let us know what you think about that, just as you did

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on the stories we covered on the programme yesterday.

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And after I revealed how fraudsters walked off the street and stole

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money from my bank account, lots of you contacted us to say

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the same thing happened to you, including Bob Turner,

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But it's always good to hear the other side.

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Angela Foster emailed to say she works in a building society

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and every day she gets abuse from customers when she asks

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She feels her employer's security measures are very stringent.

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That's something Laureen Sinclair agrees with.

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She says that when she asked a customer for identification

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she was accused of being a jobsworth and subjected to foul language.

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She added, "I agree more must be done, but please bring proper

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identification and answer any questions with good manners".

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Lisa David, for example, says, why can't banks use a thumb print

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system like they do at her son's school

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And that photograph, that somebody suggested.

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Well, we love it when you pass on your own tips too.

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As demonstrated by the reaction to one of our recent stories.

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If you want to help me with this shredding, there is quite a bit. A

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few weeks ago we meant some dedicated super shredders, lives and

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John Cooper. That has your name and address on the inside. Every day

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they shred everything and anything that has their name and address on

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it, from junk mail to official letters and much more besides. That

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is the lot. You have to shred everything that has your address on

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it if you want to be safer. So much junk mail comes through the post and

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it has personal details on it, so you have to shred those.

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Particularly name and address. It has to be shredded. Because it

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cannot be used. After seeing the Coopers, lots of you wanted to pass

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on your own tips on how to make sure your personal details do not fall

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into the handss scanners. -- into the hands. Tom adopts a novel

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approach. He puts the paper in a sink full of water until it is

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soaked through, and then he squeezes its like a dish cloth. He says if

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anyone can find his details in this soggy mess, they deserve to have

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them. Meanwhile Stephen suggests that rather than shred everything,

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just rip off the bits that actually has your details on it, shred that

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and recycle the rest. He says it reduces shredding waste by 90%. And

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Frank, so careful with his personal information that he only gave us his

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first name, says that after he shreds, he puts all the bits in the

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compost heap in his back garden, mixes them up with grass cuttings,

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weeds and the tea bags from his kitchen, and good luck to anyone

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trying to reassemble his details from all that lot. Several times

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recently we have reported on problems people have had their water

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bills. Jean Garner and many of her neighbours in Northamptonshire

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discovered they had been paying over the odds for decades.

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Since at least the 1980s we have been paying Severn Trent ?370 a year

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for a service that we are not receiving. Jean and the others had

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been paying their local water company a fee for what is called

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storm water collection, which it turns out they had never needed

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because their homes were built with a system that lets water drain into

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the garden. Even so, until we intervened, the water company would

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only refund the last year's overpayments. It is the principal.

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They have been charging us for a service they have not been

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providing. After we got involved, refunds were backdated to 2003.

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Meanwhile, a couple of weeks ago we met a man who after discovering how

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much could be slashed from his water bills, was determined to make sure

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his fellow council tenants did not make the same mistake. He wanted

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them to make the same savings. This year you have been paying ?284, so

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you should be paying ?103. Crikey. That is a big difference! Michael

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Johnson is now paying well under half of what he previously paid

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after learning that for people like him living alone, having a water

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meter could reduce his bills dramatically. Tell me what you want

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now that you know that you were paying too much and you have a

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better bill. Hopefully I might get some money back but I am not holding

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my breath. Frustratingly, unlike other utility providers, we have no

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choice about who supplies are water. But that may change. Yes, because we

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understand the government is the king of opening up the water market

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to competition in a similar way to other utilities.

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Deryck Hall from the Consumer Council for Water is here.

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Deryck, presumably you're all for it?

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Customers would welcome choice, according to our research, but the

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problem is that the government looks at costs and benefits, and of what's

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view is that customers would save ?8 on average. -- Ofwat's view. ?8

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Siemens a small amount. You have to understand that it is only the

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retail outlets of the bill that would change. The water that you

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receive, and the services you take away, would still be offered by the

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companies that currently serve you. It is just the retail element, the

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metering, billing and answering complaints. And that is just 10% of

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the total bill. Tell us about this online water calculation system that

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you have got going. We have a water meter calculator and last year

:24:18.:24:22.

250,000 people used it. Last time it was featured on your programme, we

:24:23.:24:26.

received ten hits per second on our website. It does help customers make

:24:27.:24:34.

a decision about moving from an unmeasured charge to a metre charge.

:24:35.:24:41.

And it could save them about ?100 a time. That is rather better than the

:24:42.:24:49.

measly ?8. Yes, and bearing in mind that Ofwat have taken the view that

:24:50.:24:54.

switching to a different retailer would probably be multiples of that.

:24:55.:24:58.

We are talking about 3 million people. We do not think it is

:24:59.:25:01.

feasible. We think the number of people who switched would be lower,

:25:02.:25:06.

probably about 2%. We shall see. Thank you very much. Good news.

:25:07.:25:10.

Yesterday, in our pop-up shop, we helped retired firefighter Noel,

:25:11.:25:12.

who'd been having sleepless nights over a huge energy bill he should

:25:13.:25:15.

Well, after we stepped in, his supplier wrote

:25:16.:25:18.

And Gloria's outside hoping we can pull off

:25:19.:25:23.

You bet. We will be doing our very best this morning. Lots of lovely

:25:24.:25:36.

people around. Caroline Welles, doing her work. She is the financial

:25:37.:25:40.

ombudsman and we will be talking to her later. And of course we have our

:25:41.:25:45.

personal guru, Sarah pennels. Morning, both of you.

:25:46.:25:50.

Now, sometimes we get emails that make us think, "Oh yes,

:25:51.:25:53.

Well, Margaret Hutcherson from Torquay wrote to us recently

:25:54.:25:56.

questioning why till receipts were literally fading

:25:57.:25:58.

Margaret, tell us what happened to you?

:25:59.:26:02.

Well, it started off when I bought some items from a local shop and

:26:03.:26:12.

found that I did not need them, to be honest. I tried to find the till

:26:13.:26:18.

receipt to exchange it, and to my amazement it had been on a sunny

:26:19.:26:23.

windowsill, and it was as black as the ace of spades. As it was, it was

:26:24.:26:30.

not an important item, so and never exchanged it and I never knew why

:26:31.:26:35.

until I read later. Sarah will know about this but sometimes a shop will

:26:36.:26:40.

say, no receipt, no exchange, no money back. So that receipt is very

:26:41.:26:44.

important. That's right, if you buy something that turns out to be

:26:45.:26:48.

faulty, you do not need a receipt to get a refund. But if you want to

:26:49.:26:53.

exchange it, the shop will be within its rights. In the old days we would

:26:54.:26:57.

have receipt on paper and they lasted for years but now it is an

:26:58.:27:08.

thermal paper because it is cheaper. The problem is, if you pay with

:27:09.:27:11.

cash, as Margaret did, or if you want to have proof of purchase, you

:27:12.:27:14.

have to have a way of holding onto that receipt. Quickly, what would

:27:15.:27:16.

you do? What is the tip? Firstly, shops can e-mail you the receipts

:27:17.:27:20.

but check what they are using your e-mail for. Secondly, take a picture

:27:21.:27:26.

of a receipt, or if you have a hairdryer, use the back of the

:27:27.:27:30.

receipt, Blossom hot air on it and it might come back. My tip is you

:27:31.:27:34.

can always use your bank statements. Come with me because Siobhan is over

:27:35.:27:38.

here, and we are pleased to welcome you to the programme. She wrote to

:27:39.:27:43.

ours recently with a complicated car insurance problem that you have been

:27:44.:27:52.

delving into for how many months? To make years, since 2014. That is a

:27:53.:27:59.

big problem. -- two years. You come up with, Sarah? Well, it is

:28:00.:28:04.

completed its story but Siobhan thought when she switched to ensure

:28:05.:28:07.

she might be blamed for an accident she did not have. The good news is

:28:08.:28:12.

that once we got involved, your insurer said that your file had been

:28:13.:28:17.

incorrectly closed. It is now refunded part of the premiums for

:28:18.:28:22.

the last two years, almost ?200 and what is more, they will give you a

:28:23.:28:32.

?250 goodwill payment as well. Result! I am thrilled with that and

:28:33.:28:37.

I am thrilled that my records are now clean. I've treasure my no

:28:38.:28:43.

claims bonus. It seems very unfair that sometimes it is knock for

:28:44.:28:48.

knock. It is very unfair. It seems like this is a crash for cash scam,

:28:49.:28:52.

which was popular a couple of years ago. They could really devastate a

:28:53.:28:57.

no claims record. I am glad we got this sorted. Thank you. She is happy

:28:58.:29:02.

and we get results! Back to the studio!

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We'll see what else we can do throughout the week.

:29:05.:29:08.

And there are warnings this morning from Samsung to all owners

:29:09.:29:12.

of its Galaxy Note 7 device not to use it while it

:29:13.:29:16.

investigates further reports of the device catching fire.

:29:17.:29:20.

And we'll be returning to the story of another device catching fire -

:29:21.:29:27.

those Whirlpool tumble dryers - later in the week.

:29:28.:29:30.

Meanwhile, it's reported in one of the papers that fear of big fuel

:29:31.:29:34.

bills means 29% of us delay switching on our heating.

:29:35.:29:39.

That comes from a survey by one of the comparison sites,

:29:40.:29:41.

which also found that next Sunday - October 16th - is apparently

:29:42.:29:44.

the most popular date to turn the heating on.

:29:45.:29:46.

And the front page of the Telegraph - apparently the BBC has been told

:29:47.:29:51.

Well, let's hope we're still working when we get to grand old age of 50!

:29:52.:30:02.

Yesterday quite a few of you responded to our story

:30:03.:30:04.

on the best way to tackle those dreaded cold calls.

:30:05.:30:06.

But Doug from Maidstone perhaps has the most unusual

:30:07.:30:10.

He says if he gets one of those calls about a car accident

:30:11.:30:15.

he's supposedly had, he tells the caller the accident

:30:16.:30:17.

left him decapitated, but a wonderful surgeon managed

:30:18.:30:19.

Well today - we've something else that drives you mad -

:30:20.:30:22.

It's a familiar frustration for many. Liverpool.

:30:23.:30:44.

And she's only trying to find out what's on at the cinema.

:30:45.:30:50.

Useless. This research will lead to hundreds of new gadgets. In the 80s

:30:51.:31:00.

voice recognition was heralded as the future. It should now react with

:31:01.:31:05.

almost 100% reliability. We hope so, anyway. Right... As with any new

:31:06.:31:12.

technology, there were teething problems. Go to word list. One more

:31:13.:31:21.

chance. Go to word list! I suppose it is just one of those things. But

:31:22.:31:27.

even now, despite increasingly becoming part of everyday life, it

:31:28.:31:31.

seems that many of us are still having those same teething problems.

:31:32.:31:37.

London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly.

:31:38.:31:43.

Not everybody thinks it's a nightmare, however. Set a reminder,

:31:44.:31:51.

watch Rip Off Britain. Our technology expert David McClelland

:31:52.:31:56.

is far more enthusiastic. So he has come to Liverpool to see if he can

:31:57.:32:00.

help those struggling with those getting it to work. Nice wheels. My

:32:01.:32:07.

little baby. Malcolm loves new gadgets, and with voice assisted

:32:08.:32:13.

technology that was introduced a car is a few years back, he couldn't

:32:14.:32:16.

wait to give it a go. But the novelty soon wore off. CD player,

:32:17.:32:22.

track one. Oh dear, not off to a good start. CDC, disk four. Didn't

:32:23.:32:33.

like it. Play track one. Oh dear. What do you know about the speech

:32:34.:32:36.

recognition system in a car at the moment? It doesn't work! CDC, disk

:32:37.:32:51.

four, track one. Playing track 47. It's frustrating. BEEP. IT'S

:32:52.:33:03.

FRUSTRATING. Malcolm suggests using words that only the technology

:33:04.:33:09.

recognises. When you are using the systems they are listening out for

:33:10.:33:13.

keywords and unless you say that at the beginning of the sentence, it

:33:14.:33:16.

doesn't have a clue what the rest of the sentence is about. One more

:33:17.:33:20.

time, if it doesn't work, I'll buy your new car. Play disk four, track

:33:21.:33:32.

one. Hurray! Congratulations. It worked, thanks for the lessons.

:33:33.:33:37.

Unlike the technology built into cars, mobile phones are continually

:33:38.:33:40.

updating themselves and getting smarter all the time. Do I need an

:33:41.:33:43.

umbrella today? Welcome to the open top bus, we will

:33:44.:33:55.

give you a bit of history and a bit of humour. That's all right? You

:33:56.:34:00.

might assume the technology only works in the hands of people who

:34:01.:34:04.

talk like our David, and it still struggles with different accents,

:34:05.:34:07.

but that's no longer the case. Hello there, all right. Welcome to the

:34:08.:34:15.

bus. Liverpool tour guide Dave uses his voice all day, everyday, but up

:34:16.:34:19.

until now he hasn't been tempted to engage verbally with his phone. How

:34:20.:34:24.

important is your voice in your job? Very important. A lot of the people

:34:25.:34:29.

who get on wants to hear the Scouse accent. What is it about voice

:34:30.:34:32.

recognition technology that makes you not want to use it? It's

:34:33.:34:37.

frustrating, it doesn't always work. Not the way you wanted to. I come

:34:38.:34:42.

from a generation that if something doesn't work, you smack it on the

:34:43.:34:48.

top and it works. You can't do that with a computer, as I found out.

:34:49.:34:52.

Dave changes his tune when he sees for himself what sort of thing is

:34:53.:34:57.

the latest technology can do. Scientists are saying you can speak

:34:58.:35:01.

three times faster than you can type into a smartphone. Would you find it

:35:02.:35:06.

useful? One of the problems I have with my phone is that the buttons

:35:07.:35:10.

are so small that quite often I will touch two at the same time. So this

:35:11.:35:16.

touch-screen, and voice activation is brilliant stuff. Could you tell

:35:17.:35:20.

me the directions from Liverpool to Wrexham? Getting directions from

:35:21.:35:26.

Liverpool to Wrexham. That's quite useful. I might get one now. Very

:35:27.:35:34.

soon it's this kind of technology banks will rely on to help us access

:35:35.:35:38.

accounts. I must say, I would be interesting in finding more about

:35:39.:35:43.

that after own recent experience with insecurity. I had the channels

:35:44.:35:47.

to test it out with David at this year's pop-up shop. The first thing

:35:48.:35:51.

you need to do is register your voice. What you have to do is say,

:35:52.:35:57.

my voice is my password, three times. From those three times, it

:35:58.:36:00.

will have all the information it needs to uniquely identify you. My

:36:01.:36:05.

voice is my password. My voice is my farce password. It says your pass

:36:06.:36:14.

phrase is now activated. To check it is really secure he tries to log in

:36:15.:36:19.

using his voice. I will do my best Northern Irish accent. My voice is

:36:20.:36:26.

my password. Oh no! I can't log in. That accent. For those struggling

:36:27.:36:30.

with technology already out there, David has great advice. My top tips

:36:31.:36:34.

for working with speech recognition software are, avoid background

:36:35.:36:39.

noise, speak clearly, but make sure you don't leave big pauses in the

:36:40.:36:42.

middle of sentences, and try not to run your words together too much.

:36:43.:36:47.

Also, it's like learning a foreign language, learn the keywords of the

:36:48.:36:51.

speech recognition software, what it is looking for. David is saying we

:36:52.:36:57.

should get used to it, because it's here to some of us are still

:36:58.:37:03.

waiting. Liverpool! I didn't catch that. We had fun making that. But

:37:04.:37:10.

I'm not doing much voice recognition on my phone. It's very simple.

:37:11.:37:17.

Teresa Saunders is with us now. She had some trouble recently with voice

:37:18.:37:23.

recognition. We witnessed an accident, got back to my friends

:37:24.:37:26.

house, and I thought the quickness we would use voice recognition.

:37:27.:37:32.

Where was this? It was coming from Barnstaple. In Devon. We got the

:37:33.:37:42.

number up and rang the app, and I was talking to a police officer. Was

:37:43.:37:49.

that the voice recognition answerphone? It was. We were

:37:50.:37:53.

talking, and I thought, he doesn't know where I am. What made you think

:37:54.:38:00.

he didn't know? He kept asking, where's Mudeford? I kept try to

:38:01.:38:06.

explain to him, and we kept talking at cross purposes. It was nonsense,

:38:07.:38:11.

really. He must've thought, where are you? I thought, where are you

:38:12.:38:19.

talking from? When did the penny dropped? I think it was when he

:38:20.:38:25.

said, sorry, I don't know where you are. I thought, he doesn't sound

:38:26.:38:36.

English, he's not English! It wasn't Barnstaple, where? It was

:38:37.:38:44.

Barnstaple, Massachusetts? We tracked down that policeman. Did he

:38:45.:38:56.

say how long it would take? She said, you probably can't help me,

:38:57.:38:59.

and I said no, our response time would be six hours. I thought that

:39:00.:39:05.

was quite good, actually! Oh dear, that's a comment. I find it

:39:06.:39:09.

hilarious, it's not even the same country. Will you keep in touch with

:39:10.:39:13.

that rather handsome policeman? I would like to. Maybe I would visit.

:39:14.:39:20.

Rip Off Britain is good at sorting out problems. Leave it with us. A

:39:21.:39:24.

funny side to that story, but in fact there are people for whom the

:39:25.:39:27.

whole business of voice recognition can be very upsetting. Shane

:39:28.:39:36.

e-mailed, who has cerebral palsy, tried to use it, and never what he

:39:37.:39:41.

says. It affects the cost of the call and already affects his already

:39:42.:39:50.

self-esteem. Is voice recognition technology something that drives you

:39:51.:39:52.

crazy? Let us know if it is. On yesterday's programme,

:39:53.:40:00.

Jeremy Vine told us how Twitter has become his sounding board of choice

:40:01.:40:02.

when it comes to complaining. Today, we'll see if the consumer

:40:03.:40:05.

force is always with Star Wars actor Mark Hamill -

:40:06.:40:08.

or Luke Skywalker as his Hollywood actor Mark Hamill shot to

:40:09.:40:17.

fame in the 1970s with his role as Luke Skywalker at the start of the

:40:18.:40:22.

Star Wars phenomenon. The box office smash launched his face across the

:40:23.:40:27.

galaxy and he became an immediate teenage heart-throb. He's since

:40:28.:40:31.

acted on Broadway, in film and on television, and he's been the voice

:40:32.:40:37.

of numerous animated characters. In 2015, the Star Wars reboot, the

:40:38.:40:43.

force awakens, brought Mark back to the science-fiction big-screen and

:40:44.:40:48.

his many fans. We are a consumer programme, and we love to ask people

:40:49.:40:52.

about whether or not they have any money saving tips as consumers. I

:40:53.:41:00.

can't resist asking you. I'm the middle of seven children, so this

:41:01.:41:05.

was on our mind growing up. My wife is an only child, ironically, but

:41:06.:41:11.

she cuts coupons. The money-saving things in the Sunday papers and so

:41:12.:41:17.

forth. I thought, this was interesting, she said why aren't you

:41:18.:41:22.

dumping them out? The coffee grounds. She said it's good for the

:41:23.:41:26.

garden. If you mix it in with compost. It feels good because you

:41:27.:41:31.

don't waste anything. In general, are you a good complainer as a

:41:32.:41:35.

consumer if things aren't right? I think so, I think there's a certain

:41:36.:41:39.

standard you should be entitled to if you are paying full price. My

:41:40.:41:44.

daughter will say, the eggs are kind of runny. I say, send them back, get

:41:45.:41:52.

them cooked more. There's finding that balance. You don't want to

:41:53.:41:55.

complain so much that people don't listen to you. Pick your battles.

:41:56.:42:00.

Wait until it's something that's critical to you. Otherwise it's like

:42:01.:42:03.

the boy who cried wolf, they will not listen if you complain about

:42:04.:42:07.

everything. But I think in the context of what you're asking, if

:42:08.:42:12.

you are paying full price, you should expect to get what you are

:42:13.:42:17.

paying for in general. Mark, you have been very generous with your

:42:18.:42:21.

time. Thank you. It's such a treat to meet you. I've been a fan for

:42:22.:42:25.

many years. I couldn't believe it when she walked in, Angela Rippon! I

:42:26.:42:31.

won't ask for your autograph. OK, I won't ask for yours.

:42:32.:42:34.

We've just time to get the answer to some of the questions

:42:35.:42:40.

As well as personal finance expert we're

:42:41.:42:44.

joined by Caroline Wells from the financial

:42:45.:42:45.

We've had loads about pensions, particularly from men. Iain Munro

:42:46.:42:57.

says that at 70 he was looking forward to his wife joining him in

:42:58.:43:02.

retirement. But that will not happen until she's 67, greatly diminishing

:43:03.:43:06.

the years they have to enjoy their retirement. We so often forget that

:43:07.:43:12.

male perspective. That's right. When the state pension ages were

:43:13.:43:16.

originally set at 60 for women and 65 for men, they said part of the

:43:17.:43:20.

reason was that women tended to marry older men which meant they

:43:21.:43:24.

could retire at the same time, which now they can't do. One from Jasmine

:43:25.:43:32.

who says she has one of the Samsung seven phones and wants to get out of

:43:33.:43:35.

the contract because this is the second time it's happened. Where

:43:36.:43:39.

does she stand? She needs to go back to the provider and talk about the

:43:40.:43:43.

phone. I completely understand. If you have something that might blow

:43:44.:43:46.

up and you not sure if it works properly, you need to talk to them

:43:47.:43:55.

it. I think... The floor is yours. We are going to have to end the

:43:56.:43:59.

programme because Julia doesn't have time to tell you anything.

:44:00.:44:01.

Well, once again I'm afraid that's all we've got time for today.

:44:02.:44:04.

We hope you've picked up some useful tips -

:44:05.:44:06.

and of course we'll be back tomorrow with more.

:44:07.:44:08.

We'll be exposing the latest cyber crime - revealing how computer

:44:09.:44:12.

hackers managed to steal thousands of pounds from a

:44:13.:44:14.

And we'll be finding out why a teaching assistant from Lancashire

:44:15.:44:22.

keeps being mixed up with a man on the run in South America.

:44:23.:44:31.

Awkward. We will see you tomorrow. From all of us, goodbye.

:44:32.:44:34.

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