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Exposure: Islam's Non-Believers is on ITV, tonight at 10.50pm. | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
Time now to get more top tips and consumer advice from Gloria, | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
Angela and Julia in this morning's Rip Off Britain Live. | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
We are getting to the bottom of some of the stories that affect you. We | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
will be looking at the effect technology has had on customer | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
service and looking how aggressive charities are going to be brought | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
into line. And as one big-name company is said, we unpick the | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
fallout from another that was not so lucky. So how safe is your next | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
holiday? When you have to call them, it takes | :00:36. | :00:54. | |
ages, and the person on the phone does not know what your saying. I'm | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
not getting value for money. You have asked us to track down the | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
scammers who stole your money and investigate unfair charges. They do | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
not deserve to be in any kind of business whatsoever, they just want | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
shutting down. And when nobody else is to blame, you have come to us to | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
stop others falling into the same trap. He took the money out of my | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
account and I do not even know who it was that was scamming me. We are | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
here to find out why you are out-of-pocket - and what you can do | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
about it. Your stories, your money. This is Rip Off Britain. | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
Hello and welcome back to Rip Off Britain Live. | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
We really have been pleased as punch to hear from so many | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
of you throughout the week, especially when you tell us just how | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
much you've benefited from the advice you've heard | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
It's our penultimate day of live programmes - | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
which makes us rather sad, as we're having so much fun. | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
But there's still time to tackle plenty of the things you've told | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
So do please keep firing off all your comments and questions! | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
You can email us at [email protected], or look | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
Lots of you have already sent in questions for today's guest, | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
He's got a new role making sure that charities don't go too far | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
We'll hear how he's going to rein them in. | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
The unstoppable rise of the robot - why the loss of that human | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
touch in everyday life really gets your goat. | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
And, he tackles those rogues on a daily basis, | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
but Matt Allwright oozes consumer charm when he gives me his top tips. | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
On top of all that, after we managed to help so many of you yesterday, | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
our drop-in consumer clinic is back with a vengeance. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
Our pop-up shop veteran Simon Calder will be answering all your holiday | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
And Caroline Wells from the financial ombudsman | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
But first, thousands of customers of travel company | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
Monarch breathed a collective sigh of relief yesterday, | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
when it was announced that it had managed to secure | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
Monarch was able to convince the regulator to renew | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
its Air Travel Operators Licence until next September, | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
meaning thousands of people's travel plans were safeguarded. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of recent | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
holidaymakers who haven't been so lucky. | :03:24. | :03:33. | |
This summer, more of us than ever took a trip abroad, usually a much | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
anticipated moment which comes after months of planning and saving up. | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
And that was certainly the case for this family from Rochdale. Mum and | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
dad had been determined to make sure that this year's holiday was extra | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
special for their children, Bradley and violet. Normally when we go on | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
holiday, we go camping. We've been camping for the last couple of | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
years. But last year when we went, it was not the best weather. So, the | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
family decided to do their next trip a little differently, I heading for | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
some guaranteed sunshine overseas. It was to be their first family | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
holiday abroad, and they found their perfect destination in Mallorca. The | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
hotel was perfect for what we wanted, right by the beach, a nice, | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
quiet, small hotel, away from all the nightlife, perfect for the kids. | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
They booked a package costing ?1510 for the four of them, which they | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
paid for on their debit card. To us, it is quite a lot of money, so we | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
had to save up. We got the money together to pay for it, and then we | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
had a year to basically save up for spending money whilst we were there. | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
We save as much as we can, the kids have got a team, and they | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
automatically go to it and put it in. That's their holiday money. . | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
And we just save whatever extra money we have. And for one of those | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
children, there was another reason to look forward to the trip. We were | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
due to fly out on the dot at 6.50, and with her never being on a plane | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
before, she was really excited about going to a different country, and | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
she kept telling everybody across her birthday presents to go on | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
holiday. But when they finally set off in the middle of July, things | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
didn't get off to a good start. On landing in Mallorca, their names | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
were not down on the list for a transfer to the hotel. Although the | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
driver did agree to take them, there was more confusion when they | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
arrived. When we went to check in, the manager of the hotel looked a | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
bit as old. He asked if we had the right date. We said we had booked a | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
holiday a year in advance. The hotel staff did give them a temporary room | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
and told them they would sort everything out while the family went | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
out for the day. But on their return, they were in for another | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
shock. It turned out, despite sending a confirmation e-mail, the | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
holiday company had never actually completed the booking. So they would | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
be moving the family to another hotel. We had to pack everything up | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
in the room and put runners up for her birthday, and the balloons and | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
everything, in the room, so we had to take all of that down. Exhausted, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
and with their daughter's birthday plans scuppered, Daniel and Kelly | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
had no choice but to take a taxi to the new hotel, ready to start the | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
holiday afresh in the morning. We got up on the Friday morning, got | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
the rubber rings that we had bought, and we went on the beach for the | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
day, and the kids absolutely loved it, didn't they? Spent a full day on | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
the beach and they were in the same most of the day, they loved it. We | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
said, we've made it now, we're here, let's just make the most of it. | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
Although it seemed their troubles were behind, in fact they were only | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
just beginning. While they were on the beach, the rest of the world was | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
hearing the news that the Low Cost Holiday Group had gone bust. 130,000 | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
people have been affect the after the holiday firm the Low Cost | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
Holiday Group has gone bust... It blamed the financial uncertainty due | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
to the EU referendum... From small beginnings in 2004, Low Cost Holiday | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
Group had come to be one of the biggest names in holiday travel, | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
albeit one that after receiving lots of complaints, we had looked into | :07:33. | :07:40. | |
before. Its collapse not only affected 27,000 customers already | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
abroad but 110,000 others who had booked and paid for holidays still | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
to come. But during that one day on the beach, the family were | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
blissfully unaware of any of this, and it was only when they were | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
turned to their room that Daniel had a call asking him to go to | :07:58. | :08:08. | |
reception. They just had a print of saying that Low Cost had gone into | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
administration, and they told us we have to pay the hotel fee or we have | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
to leave. It was a scene being played out countless times across | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
the globe. Holiday-makers who had long since paid for their trips in | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
full were discovering that their Hotels had not received any payment | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
from Low Cost Holiday Group. So families like there's were being | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
told that if they wanted to stay, they would need to stump up the | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
cash, in this case, 3500 euros. Bear in mind, we only paid ?650 for our | :08:42. | :08:51. | |
initial hotel. The hotel they moved us to because they had made a | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
mistake was ?4000 so it was a big difference! We did not have that | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
sort of money. It was just shocked, I felt sick. I just said to the | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
hotel staff, I said, we can't afford to pay that. We won't be able to get | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
home, we will not be able to fly home because we have only brought | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
cash with us, we don't have credit cards. We'll have to leave tonight, | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
we'll have to leave now, we can't stay another night. So we went back | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
up to the room, again, told my wife and kids that we were going to have | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
to leave, and the kids were devastated, trying. After seeing the | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
family in tears, the hotel took pity on them and agreed not to charge | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
them for their night's stay. In the absence of any assistance from the | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
now-defunct company that they had booked with, it also helped organise | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
transport back to the airport, where the family was forced to head home | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
eight days early. Here at Rip Off Britain, we continue to hear similar | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
stories from others affected by the collapse of Low Cost Holidays. We've | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
just been told the hotel where we are staying, there was no room, and | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
our hotel booking had been cancelled because the hotel had not got paid! | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
Where were we going to stay? I mean, how could you be ripped off so | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
badly, when you've spent so much time saving money for this, and we | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
were really looking forward to a holiday which we both needed. For | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
tens of thousands of suspect and customers, this was a complete bolt | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
out of the blue, especially as just the day before it went under, the | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
company was offering 60% off holidays. Among those unwittingly | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
making a last-minute booking was Sandra from Eastbourne. She had | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
booked a diving holiday to Mexico with her friend Jessica, each of | :10:50. | :10:59. | |
them paying ?3384 for the privilege. They, too, had paid using their | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
debit cards. But less than 24 hours after Sandra had made the booking, | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
Jessica Korda are in a panic. On the Saturday evening, I was getting | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
ready to go out and celebrate my birthday, and Jessica Fullalove | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
about five o'clock in the afternoon, crying her eyes out, and I thought, | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
somebody has died or something. She said, Low Cost Holidays have gone | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
bust. I was standing there on the phone in shock. I said, is this a | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
wind-up? This can't be true! Sandra immediately went online to check her | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
bank account. But Low Cost Holidays had already taken the cash. And | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
there was more bad news to come. After almost ten years of trading | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
from the UK, in 2013, Low Cost Holidays had moved its headquarters | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
to Spain. This meant it no longer offered Atol protected packages. And | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
without Atol protection, Sandra's travel insurance would not cover any | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
of the money that had been lost. When I travelled with Low Cost | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
before, like in 2009, they were with Atol so it did not cross my mind to | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
check them out again. Travelex Burke premises there are things we could | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
all do to make sure that any holiday we book is protected if something | :12:20. | :12:29. | |
goes wrong. -- travel expert Emma. It's really important that you're | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
buying an air package holiday with air and car hire as a package, | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
because only that will be protected. You will not be protected with Atol | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
if you buy something without a flight. Another really good tip is | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
to book with a credit card. If the company goes asked, the credit | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
provider is liable just as much as the provider of the service. And | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
there is also a chargeback service as well which means that you get | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
your provider to ask the retailer's bank to get back your money. What | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
you really, really, really should never do is, don't pay in cash or by | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
bank transfer, on a prepay card, any of those methods are a complete | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
no-no, because you will not have any protection. But that's little | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
protection for those who have already been left out of pocket, | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
with their holidays ruined. How they can do it not only to us but to | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
everyone else. When we found out that it was more than 100,000 people | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
in the same boat, who had paid the money, we were just, what have they | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
done with that money which everybody has paid them? How can someone do | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
that? That is one of the big questions in this case. | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
Well, Paul Evans, the former boss of the Low Cost Holiday Group, | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
tells us he's extremely sorry for what his customers experienced. | :13:50. | :13:51. | |
He says bookings were being taken right up to the last minute | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
because until that point, discussions on selling the company | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
gave a realistic possibility that it would continue to trade. | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
He blames the need for finding a buyer on difficult trading | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
conditions, further impacted by terrorism, Brexit | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
He went on to stress that all passengers in resorts | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
had their return flights home booked and paid for, | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
and the company had placed a bond of over 1 million euros specifically | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
He added that the company had traded for 12 years | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
and taken 12 million people on holiday, | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
but it was overwhelmed by economic circumstances. | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
Well, with me is our travel guru Simon Calder. | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
You are a man in the know, is this something you expected with low-cost | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
holidays? There is always rumours about companies being in | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
difficulties, always will always has been, I had heard rumours but | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
unfortunately, travel accounting is such a dark art, and it all depends | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
when you actually count the money is having arrived and whether you are | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
counting surprises, it is difficult to tell. As this is whom the | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
unfortunate family found out, they had not booked a proper package | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
holiday, if they had done, it would have been very different. Here we | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
are reporting on Monarch continuing their business, if the worst had | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
happened, and its shutdown, a couple of weeks ago that looked like it was | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
possible, people on holiday would be having a very easy time. Going back | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
to the company, Low Cost, were taking money but not paying it to | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
hotels at the other end, is that common practice and is it legal? It | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
is legal, online travel agents, the airline say, pay us the money right | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
now, so you pay the money to the company and they pass it the | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
airline. The hotels can come up with whatever deal they want to. Very | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
sadly, quite often, companies will take people's money in, not pass it | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
on, because it does wonders for your cash flow! You mentioned Monarch and | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
people breathed a huge sigh of relief when they realise that they | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
have been rescued, as it were, at its not been, we would have been in | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
a position today when thousands of people were in the same situation. | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
They would not have been in the same position, anything like that, | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
because every British passenger is covered by Atol whether you are | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
booking flight only, unusually with Monarch and with Monarch capital at | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
the holidays. The Civil Aviation Authority would have organised right | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
times and said to the hotel owners, we are the British government, we | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
will pay, that would have been smoother. If you want gold-plated | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
protection, that is the way to do it, booking a British holiday with | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
Atol-protection. We heard that this was because of Brexit, and concerns | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
over the pound falling, you have had a look at what it is doing today. | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
Not good news. Heading the wrong way, that means if you are going on | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
holiday, your euros and dollars will cost you more. If you are going to | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
Dubai, it is awful, it is as though... I have just come back from | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
Abu Dhabi, actually, and it is as though all of the prices have gone | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
up by one fifth, that is the problem we are facing. We asked in the | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
European Union but down the line, what are the problems we will face | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
with Brexit? We will face issues, I wouldn't say problems, European | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
health insurance card entitles you to treatment in all the other EU | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
countries, clearly, if we are not in the EU, that will no longer apply. | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
We may have a similar deal. Your good old British passport which will | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
get you happily into those countries, without formality, it | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
could be they are looking at a new scheme where we would have to | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
register online and tell the system the plans for travelling to Spain or | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
France or Italy, and quite possibly have to pay for it as well. But that | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
is down the line. At the moment, we are still all right, except we still | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
won't -- we won't have quite so much money in our pockets. Indeed, we are | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
the poor people of Europe. I love Simon, he's always brimming | :18:02. | :18:15. | |
with brilliant advice. Yesterday we told how Amanda Jackson | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
was scammed out of the money to buy her new home, | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
after being tricked into transferring the cash | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
into the fraudster's account, Well quite a few of you sent | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
in the same simple tip to make sure any money transferred ends | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
up in the right place. He says he always sends an initial | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
payment of one pound, then confirms the other party | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
has received it before It not only prevents fraud | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
but protects him if he's made a mistake typing | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
in the right account details. Something else we covered | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
yesterday was the safety | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
of contactless bank cards. John Clarke emailed to say that | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
after watching the piece he got hold | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
of the sort of mobile phone app and was horrified to see it did | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
indeed pick up his card details. He tells us he'll be buying | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
those protective wallets Sheila Tennant says she never | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
misses the programme, not only for the stories, but to see | :19:03. | :19:14. | |
what necklace Gloria is wearing. She asks, "How many | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
does this lady own?" The answer... I would hate to tell | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
you, once I snuff it, we will have a big job sorting through it! I was in | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
Croatia last week, I tell you, jewellery in Croatia is really | :19:32. | :19:32. | |
cheap! Some other recent stories that are | :19:33. | :19:42. | |
prone to quite a response. Lots of you who own pets really loved a | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
great money tip we featured on the programme last month. Sarah from | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
Bristol wrote to us after discovering she could get her cat's | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
asthma medication much cheaper from an ordinary chemist than from the | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
vet. I was very surprised that I could find this medication at a | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
human pharmacy, quite angry at the vet, actually, not sure how they | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
could justify such a mark-up in medication. Sarah still pays the vet | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
?15 for the prescription but by taking it to buy and the | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
prescription at the local chemist, she can save ?20 a time. Looking at | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
the savings I have made, over ten years, I have saved an incredible | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
amount of money and buying courage others to do the same. Some of you | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
when to do that straightaway, including Annette, she e-mailed to | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
say how her labrador's medicine had been costing ?97 a month, but after | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
hearing the advice from Sarah, she discovered she could get it at the | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
high-street chemist for ?12, that is a massive saving. And there has been | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
great news on another story that we featured last month, Paul Scott | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Bates had taken up an offer to have cavity wall insulation installed in | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
news home, free of charge, to make it more heat efficient. Then, damp | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
began to appear, over time it only got worse. Paul discovered that | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
while the installation was free to put in, taking it out could cost | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
dozens of pounds. To find now that it is causing problems... -- | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
thousands of pounds. It is a problem that we cannot afford to have | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
rectified. Karen Easton from Preston is in the same position, now. It | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
worries me that we will have to pay to take it out, if they will not | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
take responsibility, because we are talking thousands of pounds that we | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
do not have. We introduced Paul and Karen to Pauline Saunders, who after | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
experiencing similar problems are self campaigns to help others in the | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
same boat. I can't guarantee anything, obviously, but it will not | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
be through lack of trying. If we don't get justice for them we will | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
try. Sheen courage Paul and Karen to go through the arbitration scheme of | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
the industry body they expect would help, that is still going on. -- she | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
encouraged. After our report went out, the company offered to take a | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
cavity wall insulation out absolutely free, and we were at | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
Paul's house as work got underway. When we were looking into it, | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
several thousand pounds to get it removed, three days of work, for | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
somebody to make that sort of gesture in time and money is very | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
kind. We are looking forward to having it out and being able to get | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
on, it causes a lot of stress. There is a full bag, which we have | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
finished extracting. I would like to thank them... We are grateful for | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
the advice we have been given. It has saved as money and hopefully it | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
is something that is in the past now. Another of our recent | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
programmes highlighted concerns over money raising tactics used by some | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
of Britain's best-known charities. Peter Burrows from Castle Bromwich | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
speaks for many when he says that he is fed up of charities he has | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
already given to writing to asking for more. I find that a bit | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
frustrating, because they are using my money to contact me to try to get | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
more money! That is not the only thing that annoys him. I don't like | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
being contacted by people that I have not contributed to before. I | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
don't like being contacted by people who I think have been sold my | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
address. Concerns over how charities share or trade details were brought | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
into sharp focus in 2015, after lit death of 92-year-old poppy seller | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
Oliver Cook. VOICEOVER: Earlier this month, her body was found in the | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
Avon Gorge, family and friends say that the 92-year-old had a number of | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
worries in the months before she died but she also complained to her | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
local newspaper about the pressure she felt from charities sending her | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
letters asking for money. -- Olive Cooke. After her death, her contact | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
details were found to be on the databases of 99 different charities, | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
she had potentially been sent thousands of mail outs every year. | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
Dame Hilary has worked in the charity sector for 50 years and is | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
disappointing at the way fundraising has changed. Everybody is just | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
concerned with getting the money, squeezing it out of people and | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
indeed bullying them to get the money out of them. It makes for a | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
very unpleasant society. That is an opinion that many of you share. | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
Christopher e-mail to say, the only way he could stop repeated calls | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
from one big charity was by threatening to stop giving | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
altogether. Andreas told us, she gets charities ringing her bell, | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
practically bullying her and shaming her on her own doorstep. -- Andrea. | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
One charity contacted us to say that constant pestering is | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
counter-productive and not in the interest of any charity and it is | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
hard to disagree with that. STUDIO: I'm pleased to be | :25:02. | :25:11. | |
joined now by chairman of the Fundraising Regulator, | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
Lord Michael Grade. Michael, your body has been up | :25:14. | :25:15. | |
and running since July. What other kind of things that | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
people are saying that has upset them? Exactly the kind of problems | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
that you have just shown us from members of the public, that seems to | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
be a common cause for complaint. The great sadness of the case of Olive | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
Cooke, other than the personal tragedy, it did highlight a growing | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
concern, growing bad practice in the charity sector. Is the impression | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
you are getting that people are becoming resistant to giving, or | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
that they feel they are being taken advantage of? We are not quite at | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
that point, but we have got to intervene, to make sure that | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
charities raise funds ethically, and do not invade people's privacy is in | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
ways they do not welcome. We do not want to take for granted the | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
wonderful generosity of the British public. Fabulous givers. They | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
respond wonderfully to causes. We cannot take that for granted and we | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
must not abuse it, that is what we are here to stop. What came out of | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
the film was that people were being invaded somehow, either by phone | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
calls, people knocking on their doors... How do you react when that | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
happens to you? I get very cross indeed. I don't like it. I don't | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
like getting unsolicited texts, I tell them that I am a leading | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
litigation QC! And I'm putting them on notice. I do anything. I never | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
hear from them again. I don't like my doorstep being invaded. The | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
overwhelming majority of people in this country, they are willing to | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
respond to a good cause, causes they identify with, we don't need to be | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
pestered. And harassed. Particularly the vulnerable. Would you say that | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
your organisation has teeth? How much will you be able to do to | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
remedy this? We do have teeth, we can name and shame, all the | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
charities not to do certain things, we can go in and audit and | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
investigate. We can ultimately report them to the charity | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
commission, who have power over all charities in this country. | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
Ultimately, there is the backstop that the government could take over | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
the regulation of charities through a statutory regulator, which is not | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
what anybody wants. It is always there. I am very confident we have | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
the powers to stop people. We are there, properly resourced, | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
independent, we are there to hear the public concerns and take action. | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
I'm sure that is going to be very reassuring to all of the people that | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
feel there are good nature has been taken advantage of. What you have | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
shown in the programme, in a sense I knew about it, there are practices | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
out there which do put at risk the public's generosity and it has got | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
to stop. Thank you very much for joining us. | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
Well we've been talking about problems with | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
but outside at our pop up shop Gloria's with someone who's had | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
That's right, among the many people out here with us this | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
morning are Janice Chisholm from Trading Standards | :28:29. | :28:29. | |
Now it is a bit windy here, so we hope that you can hear us. | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
Now Matita, I understand you came over a bit Miss Marple when one | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
of these plastic bags landed on your doorstep asking | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
you to donate clothes and gadgets in aid of a charity for ex servicemen. | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
I had one delivered, three, actually, on three separate | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
occasions, delivered through my letterbox, in aid of a charity. | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
Asking me to put unwanted clothes, etc, in it. I thought, good, an | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
opportunity to get rid of some stuff. I looked at the bag | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
carefully, it had several spelling mistakes on it. Like what? It said | :28:59. | :29:08. | |
"His Royal Higness" and I thought that was a bit of a giveaway! | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
LAUGHTER It had a charity number, it did not | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
add up, it was a fake number. There was a telephone number on the back | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
which did not work... And so I assumed it was a scam, which it | :29:22. | :29:30. | |
turned out to be. Do you hear about this a lot? In terms of crime, it is | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
comparatively low risk for the criminals, so it is the sort of | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
thing that they can actually do and not much chance of them being | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
caught, so we urge the public to be vigilant. What do you do as an | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
organisation? In Islington we have had undercover | :29:46. | :29:57. | |
officers out on the streets, trying to catch people. With results? It is | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
difficult, we cannot be that 24 hours a day, so we are urging the | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
public to help us. And you, what have you done? I got in touch with | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
the police and with the Trading Standards and with the fraud squad. | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
Gosh, that's something to be reckoned with, good for you! Thank | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
you both of you. Back here, I will find Simon Calder again. You should | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
have a coat on or something! Anyway, we have an issue to do with Virgin | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
Trains. Somebody e-mailed us to say that during a visit with his elderly | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
parents, his brother back at home had two cardiac arrests and was | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
taken into intensive care. Obviously, he was desperate to get | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
back, but when he turned up at the station, one of those prepaid ticket | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
things can they would not let him go earlier, which I think was really | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
mean? Most certainly. Now, I think this is really applying the rules | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
too strictly. Of course if you book a ticket of this type, it tells you | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
it is only valid for that train. But of course, train managers are human, | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
and in my experience, if there is a good reason for somebody to travel, | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
like they are very distressed because there is a leanness in the | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
family, of course there has got to be some flexibility. His brother | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
could have died, and I mean, wouldn't you think that in a | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
situation like that, a matter of life and death, that some of the | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
rules could be bent? Most certainly, and there is normally a bit of | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
flexibility. But of course ultimately, the rules are the rules. | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
If everybody just says, no, read what it says, then unfortunately you | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
just have to pay out more money at a time when you are very, very | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
stressed. What do you think yourself? Well, they are being | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
straight down the line, saying, these are the rules. In reality, the | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
people who work on the railways are human and compassionate and normally | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
they would help you out if you're in distress. We contacted Virgin | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
Trains, and we hoped the company might have a change of heart, but | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
they told us that while they sympathise with customers who | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
experience unforeseen changes, it is very important to be consistent in | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
the application of ticket regulations. And buying an advanced | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
ticket at a cheaper price means accepting a lack of flexibility, and | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
Virgin are within their rights to stick to their policy. But we all | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
think that there should be a bit of compassion. I think probably Virgin | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
are quite embarrassed by this. People were not trying it on, they | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
were just in a desperate rush to get home. In one word, would you buy | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
insurance to cover this? No! ?2, and the terms and conditions are | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
terrible! There you go, some great advice! | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
Earlier in the week, we revisited the shocking | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
story of a house that collapsed when the builders started | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
We mentioned a couple of viewers had been in touch offering help. | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
But catching up again with the couple still battling | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
to sort this out, it seems that however well-intentioned, | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
It still appears the best hope of finally getting things resolved | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
is through the various insurance companies involved. | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
Well, we'll be keeping a very close eye on what happens next, | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
as it does feel wrong that they've been left picking up | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
the pieces when the insurance you'd expect would help, | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
from big companies, too, has so far done no such thing. | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
Yesterday we touched briefly on reports that robots | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
While fans of automation claim it's more efficient, | :33:24. | :33:34. | |
lots of you are missing that personal connection | :33:35. | :33:35. | |
One for this, two for that. Everything is moving potentially a | :33:36. | :33:48. | |
bit robotic, which can be quite unfriendly. I always refuse to go to | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
a machine. For me, I find the personal touch better. By the time | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
you get to the third number, I'm a bit like, I just want to speak to a | :34:01. | :34:09. | |
person! If all of that sounds familiar, then this music probably | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
will as well. Vivaldi could never have imagined that his Four Seasons | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
would become so irritating, if it is played countless times when we're | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
stuck. And even when you do get through on the phone, it is unlikely | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
that in the first instance you will speak to a real, live person, a bone | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
of contention which brought some folks to our pop-up shop. I got a | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
pre-recorded voice. You're trying to say what the problem is, and this | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
will voice says, I'm sorry, I did not get that. So they've obviously | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
got a bank of about ten different things that they accept, and after | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
about three attempts, Iceland the phone down and swore, I'm afraid! | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
It's a far cry from when even getting your call connected might | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
actually involve a genuine human voice. I am connecting your call to | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
New York... Up today, all aspects of our lives seem to be moving away | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
from personal interaction. Shopping for groceries has gone from this to | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
this. Most everyday banking can be done via a machine rather than | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
queueing at the counter. And the same is true of everything from | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
borrowing library books to booking train tickets and ordering food. | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
Your nearest walk-in centre is at this hospital... Under new plans, we | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
could be self diagnosing all our smartphones via the NHS website. | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
Technology champion Jeremy is all for such developer is. There is a | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
great amount that can be done faster, and, more reliable, more | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
convenient and allow you to get a lot more done. Furthermore, it's | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
exciting, and it's just on your doorstep, waiting for you to grasp | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
it. It would be a shame if you did not try it. Jeremy worked on recent | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
research which found that by 2020, 30 5% of jobs are likely to involve | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
some element of automation or be completed read-out by technology. -- | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
35%. One of the most exciting areas is trifle as taxis. This is a case | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
of if not win. The technology exists today. Secondly, in hospitality, we | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
will have restaurants which might have no waiting staff. You go in at | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
whatever time you like and order what you want and it comes to you on | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
an electronic trade or automated robot service. When you're done, you | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
touch a card to pay. What we're talking about is offering the | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
consumer more choice. And some of you can see the benefits. I think | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
it's great for the days when you've got an agenda, you want to go into | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
the supermarket and pick up a cereal and go straight to the till and pay | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
without anyone asking you, as weird as it sounds, how is your day, love? | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
I don't mind, if you need to get quicker to where you need to be, | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
automated cars in the future, for me, it's a bonus. But for many of | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
you, including this consumer psychologist, the personal touch is | :37:16. | :37:23. | |
still very important. Technology systems which do use language are | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
not very good at recognising all of our language. And certainly cannot | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
recognise important, essential human things like sarcasm and humour or | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
the emotion in our voice or the fact that we sound a bit low to date. And | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
that's a major problem to combat. Consumers need to feel that they | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
are, to earn they can trust the thing that's listening to them. I | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
think some people can feel quite cheated when companies only provide | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
a technological way of interacting, because it says to the consumer | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
that, we don't really care enough to provide a person. And of course, | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
some people cannot use that technology effectively. Which is why | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
the professor believes that we may see some companies doing a U-turn | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
and bringing back people to interact with. I think that overall, we can | :38:15. | :38:24. | |
automation in more places. -- we are going to Seymour automation in more | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
places. But there will be places, and it's happening in the banking | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
industry, that will find value in having people to speak to, because | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
that is what customers really want. I agree with that. If you're | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
frustrated by your customer service experience, technology even provides | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
a way to make that clear. Speak on social media, voice your opinion and | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
give them the opportunity and the space to come back to you. If you do | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
it in the right way, it's very likely to give you the results you | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
need. And if you're still not happy, then I suggest vote with your feet | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
and try and find a company that has humans to interact with. Well, I for | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
one prefers speaking to a real person, it has to be said! | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
Love it or hate it, everyone is talking about Marmite today, | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
Also in the news, claims that we will all face | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
higher bills this winter, with reports that energy suppliers | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
are withdrawing some of their cheapest deals. | :39:26. | :39:27. | |
It's been blamed on rising wholesale costs. | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
And after we talked about the frustrations with | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
voice-recognition technology, a story today of a man who struggled | :39:34. | :39:35. | |
for 11 hours to get his voice-activated kettle | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
It would have taken him seconds just to push the button, why didn't he do | :39:41. | :39:48. | |
that?! On yesterday's show, | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
Naga Munchetty revealed there's nothing she likes | :39:52. | :39:52. | |
less than shopping. Well, today, Matt Allwright goes | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
one better, and admits Nobody chases down those rogues | :39:57. | :40:07. | |
Wighton-like all right. It was an if handful chat during which he stuck | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
his Burrow up my nose. Weather on rogue traders or watchdog come soon | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
to start, by the way, he has been hot on their trail for nearly two | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
decades. Some stories that we deal with on Rogue Traders are all about | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
the money, and that's it. But some of them aren't. But away from the | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
cameras, what type of consumer is Mac? Here I am in your empire. This | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
is where it all happens! I never pay full price. I can't do it. And if | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
something is full price, I just mistrust it. I actually don't really | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
like new things. I will never buy new things if I can avoid it, | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
because I think, if you buy them new, you waiting for them to go | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
wrong, whereas if summary else has had them for a while... This makes | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
me sound terrible cheapskate, but genuinely I'm not comfortable with | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
buying something full price. What do you think is the best way to | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
complain? Without a doubt, the best way to complain is to appeal to | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
somebody's human nature and humanity. If you can tap into that | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
and just say, can you imagine how I'm feeling worried that is a really | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
useful phrase - can you imagine what it is like to be in my position? | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
That is when I find you get the best response from people. Someone used | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
to say to people, there was nothing wrong with my money when I handed it | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
over, but there is something wrong with your product. That's great! I'm | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
going to take that and use it as if it was mine! Thank you! Where do you | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
think you waste money? My bigwig this is guitars. But you see I don't | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
consider it a waste because I think guitars are multifunctional. You can | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
hang them on the wall and they look beautiful, and you can play them, | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
and in the end, you can sell them. What about clothes? Well, you can | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
see for yourself. I was about to say, you haven't spent a fortune! | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
This is how I go to work most days, if I am not in leather. No, I don't | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
spend a lot of money on clothes. I have to say, it's been a revelation. | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
You have this very hard face on the screen. I love it when you bang on | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
those doors. And you're actually a big softy. Listen, if you can | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
recommend me a good plumber, I would love to know! I have met all of the | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
worst ones! But I need one for my house! Thank you very much. Imagine | :42:24. | :42:31. | |
Mac answering the door if you're going to do a job for him! | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
As usual, you've been sending in your questions all morning. | :42:36. | :42:44. | |
Someone is fed up with people knocking at her door after dark. | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
And here to help answer some of those are Simon Calder | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
Laura says, her bag was lost for three days after flying home and | :42:51. | :42:58. | |
when she got it back, it was badly damaged. The airline will not pay | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
for a replacement, so what should she be doing? She is theoretically | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
entitled up to ?1000, but it all depends on the definition of badly | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
damaged. Because the airline say, normal wear and tear, and that can | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
include things like tearing handles off, the wheels coming off the case, | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
part of the normal business of baggage handling, they might say. | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
She could try her travel insurers to see, but of course, the first rule | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
is, don't check in anything you don't want to lose. And this one, | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
from Geoff, he says, I have just had a smart metre fitted, and if I want | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
to change my energy supplier, will it still work? It depends. Smart | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
metres do lots of great things, and you might find that if you switch | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
supplier, you might lose some of the functionality. But check, they have | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
got some good information on their websites. Good luck with that, | :43:56. | :43:56. | |
Geoff, if you're listening! Sorry we don't have time to read out | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
ALL your questions - but we will use them to help us | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
decide what to cover In the meantime, it's our last | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
live show tomorrow - so there's even more | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
incentive to keep sending We'll be investigating mounting | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
concerns over the safety of the tumble dryers that have | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
sparked devastating fires. And we'll find out how instruction | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
manuals suddenly got | :44:28. | :44:31. |