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Exposure: Islam's Non-Believers is on ITV, tonight at 10.50pm.

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Time now to get more top tips and consumer advice from Gloria,

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Angela and Julia in this morning's Rip Off Britain Live.

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We are getting to the bottom of some of the stories that affect you. We

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will be looking at the effect technology has had on customer

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service and looking how aggressive charities are going to be brought

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into line. And as one big-name company is said, we unpick the

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fallout from another that was not so lucky. So how safe is your next

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holiday? When you have to call them, it takes

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ages, and the person on the phone does not know what your saying. I'm

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not getting value for money. You have asked us to track down the

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scammers who stole your money and investigate unfair charges. They do

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not deserve to be in any kind of business whatsoever, they just want

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shutting down. And when nobody else is to blame, you have come to us to

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stop others falling into the same trap. He took the money out of my

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account and I do not even know who it was that was scamming me. We are

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here to find out why you are out-of-pocket - and what you can do

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about it. Your stories, your money. This is Rip Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome back to Rip Off Britain Live.

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We really have been pleased as punch to hear from so many

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of you throughout the week, especially when you tell us just how

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much you've benefited from the advice you've heard

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It's our penultimate day of live programmes -

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which makes us rather sad, as we're having so much fun.

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But there's still time to tackle plenty of the things you've told

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So do please keep firing off all your comments and questions!

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You can email us at [email protected], or look

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Lots of you have already sent in questions for today's guest,

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He's got a new role making sure that charities don't go too far

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We'll hear how he's going to rein them in.

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The unstoppable rise of the robot - why the loss of that human

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touch in everyday life really gets your goat.

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And, he tackles those rogues on a daily basis,

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but Matt Allwright oozes consumer charm when he gives me his top tips.

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On top of all that, after we managed to help so many of you yesterday,

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our drop-in consumer clinic is back with a vengeance.

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Our pop-up shop veteran Simon Calder will be answering all your holiday

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And Caroline Wells from the financial ombudsman

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But first, thousands of customers of travel company

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Monarch breathed a collective sigh of relief yesterday,

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when it was announced that it had managed to secure

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Monarch was able to convince the regulator to renew

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its Air Travel Operators Licence until next September,

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meaning thousands of people's travel plans were safeguarded.

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Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of recent

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holidaymakers who haven't been so lucky.

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This summer, more of us than ever took a trip abroad, usually a much

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anticipated moment which comes after months of planning and saving up.

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And that was certainly the case for this family from Rochdale. Mum and

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dad had been determined to make sure that this year's holiday was extra

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special for their children, Bradley and violet. Normally when we go on

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holiday, we go camping. We've been camping for the last couple of

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years. But last year when we went, it was not the best weather. So, the

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family decided to do their next trip a little differently, I heading for

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some guaranteed sunshine overseas. It was to be their first family

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holiday abroad, and they found their perfect destination in Mallorca. The

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hotel was perfect for what we wanted, right by the beach, a nice,

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quiet, small hotel, away from all the nightlife, perfect for the kids.

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They booked a package costing ?1510 for the four of them, which they

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paid for on their debit card. To us, it is quite a lot of money, so we

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had to save up. We got the money together to pay for it, and then we

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had a year to basically save up for spending money whilst we were there.

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We save as much as we can, the kids have got a team, and they

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automatically go to it and put it in. That's their holiday money. .

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And we just save whatever extra money we have. And for one of those

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children, there was another reason to look forward to the trip. We were

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due to fly out on the dot at 6.50, and with her never being on a plane

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before, she was really excited about going to a different country, and

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she kept telling everybody across her birthday presents to go on

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holiday. But when they finally set off in the middle of July, things

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didn't get off to a good start. On landing in Mallorca, their names

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were not down on the list for a transfer to the hotel. Although the

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driver did agree to take them, there was more confusion when they

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arrived. When we went to check in, the manager of the hotel looked a

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bit as old. He asked if we had the right date. We said we had booked a

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holiday a year in advance. The hotel staff did give them a temporary room

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and told them they would sort everything out while the family went

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out for the day. But on their return, they were in for another

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shock. It turned out, despite sending a confirmation e-mail, the

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holiday company had never actually completed the booking. So they would

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be moving the family to another hotel. We had to pack everything up

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in the room and put runners up for her birthday, and the balloons and

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everything, in the room, so we had to take all of that down. Exhausted,

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and with their daughter's birthday plans scuppered, Daniel and Kelly

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had no choice but to take a taxi to the new hotel, ready to start the

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holiday afresh in the morning. We got up on the Friday morning, got

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the rubber rings that we had bought, and we went on the beach for the

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day, and the kids absolutely loved it, didn't they? Spent a full day on

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the beach and they were in the same most of the day, they loved it. We

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said, we've made it now, we're here, let's just make the most of it.

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Although it seemed their troubles were behind, in fact they were only

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just beginning. While they were on the beach, the rest of the world was

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hearing the news that the Low Cost Holiday Group had gone bust. 130,000

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people have been affect the after the holiday firm the Low Cost

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Holiday Group has gone bust... It blamed the financial uncertainty due

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to the EU referendum... From small beginnings in 2004, Low Cost Holiday

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Group had come to be one of the biggest names in holiday travel,

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albeit one that after receiving lots of complaints, we had looked into

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before. Its collapse not only affected 27,000 customers already

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abroad but 110,000 others who had booked and paid for holidays still

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to come. But during that one day on the beach, the family were

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blissfully unaware of any of this, and it was only when they were

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turned to their room that Daniel had a call asking him to go to

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reception. They just had a print of saying that Low Cost had gone into

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administration, and they told us we have to pay the hotel fee or we have

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to leave. It was a scene being played out countless times across

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the globe. Holiday-makers who had long since paid for their trips in

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full were discovering that their Hotels had not received any payment

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from Low Cost Holiday Group. So families like there's were being

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told that if they wanted to stay, they would need to stump up the

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cash, in this case, 3500 euros. Bear in mind, we only paid ?650 for our

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initial hotel. The hotel they moved us to because they had made a

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mistake was ?4000 so it was a big difference! We did not have that

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sort of money. It was just shocked, I felt sick. I just said to the

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hotel staff, I said, we can't afford to pay that. We won't be able to get

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home, we will not be able to fly home because we have only brought

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cash with us, we don't have credit cards. We'll have to leave tonight,

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we'll have to leave now, we can't stay another night. So we went back

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up to the room, again, told my wife and kids that we were going to have

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to leave, and the kids were devastated, trying. After seeing the

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family in tears, the hotel took pity on them and agreed not to charge

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them for their night's stay. In the absence of any assistance from the

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now-defunct company that they had booked with, it also helped organise

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transport back to the airport, where the family was forced to head home

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eight days early. Here at Rip Off Britain, we continue to hear similar

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stories from others affected by the collapse of Low Cost Holidays. We've

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just been told the hotel where we are staying, there was no room, and

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our hotel booking had been cancelled because the hotel had not got paid!

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Where were we going to stay? I mean, how could you be ripped off so

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badly, when you've spent so much time saving money for this, and we

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were really looking forward to a holiday which we both needed. For

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tens of thousands of suspect and customers, this was a complete bolt

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out of the blue, especially as just the day before it went under, the

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company was offering 60% off holidays. Among those unwittingly

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making a last-minute booking was Sandra from Eastbourne. She had

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booked a diving holiday to Mexico with her friend Jessica, each of

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them paying ?3384 for the privilege. They, too, had paid using their

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debit cards. But less than 24 hours after Sandra had made the booking,

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Jessica Korda are in a panic. On the Saturday evening, I was getting

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ready to go out and celebrate my birthday, and Jessica Fullalove

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about five o'clock in the afternoon, crying her eyes out, and I thought,

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somebody has died or something. She said, Low Cost Holidays have gone

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bust. I was standing there on the phone in shock. I said, is this a

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wind-up? This can't be true! Sandra immediately went online to check her

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bank account. But Low Cost Holidays had already taken the cash. And

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there was more bad news to come. After almost ten years of trading

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from the UK, in 2013, Low Cost Holidays had moved its headquarters

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to Spain. This meant it no longer offered Atol protected packages. And

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without Atol protection, Sandra's travel insurance would not cover any

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of the money that had been lost. When I travelled with Low Cost

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before, like in 2009, they were with Atol so it did not cross my mind to

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check them out again. Travelex Burke premises there are things we could

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all do to make sure that any holiday we book is protected if something

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goes wrong. -- travel expert Emma. It's really important that you're

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buying an air package holiday with air and car hire as a package,

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because only that will be protected. You will not be protected with Atol

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if you buy something without a flight. Another really good tip is

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to book with a credit card. If the company goes asked, the credit

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provider is liable just as much as the provider of the service. And

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there is also a chargeback service as well which means that you get

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your provider to ask the retailer's bank to get back your money. What

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you really, really, really should never do is, don't pay in cash or by

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bank transfer, on a prepay card, any of those methods are a complete

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no-no, because you will not have any protection. But that's little

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protection for those who have already been left out of pocket,

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with their holidays ruined. How they can do it not only to us but to

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everyone else. When we found out that it was more than 100,000 people

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in the same boat, who had paid the money, we were just, what have they

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done with that money which everybody has paid them? How can someone do

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that? That is one of the big questions in this case.

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Well, Paul Evans, the former boss of the Low Cost Holiday Group,

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tells us he's extremely sorry for what his customers experienced.

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He says bookings were being taken right up to the last minute

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because until that point, discussions on selling the company

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gave a realistic possibility that it would continue to trade.

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He blames the need for finding a buyer on difficult trading

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conditions, further impacted by terrorism, Brexit

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He went on to stress that all passengers in resorts

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had their return flights home booked and paid for,

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and the company had placed a bond of over 1 million euros specifically

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He added that the company had traded for 12 years

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and taken 12 million people on holiday,

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but it was overwhelmed by economic circumstances.

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Well, with me is our travel guru Simon Calder.

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You are a man in the know, is this something you expected with low-cost

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holidays? There is always rumours about companies being in

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difficulties, always will always has been, I had heard rumours but

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unfortunately, travel accounting is such a dark art, and it all depends

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when you actually count the money is having arrived and whether you are

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counting surprises, it is difficult to tell. As this is whom the

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unfortunate family found out, they had not booked a proper package

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holiday, if they had done, it would have been very different. Here we

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are reporting on Monarch continuing their business, if the worst had

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happened, and its shutdown, a couple of weeks ago that looked like it was

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possible, people on holiday would be having a very easy time. Going back

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to the company, Low Cost, were taking money but not paying it to

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hotels at the other end, is that common practice and is it legal? It

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is legal, online travel agents, the airline say, pay us the money right

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now, so you pay the money to the company and they pass it the

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airline. The hotels can come up with whatever deal they want to. Very

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sadly, quite often, companies will take people's money in, not pass it

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on, because it does wonders for your cash flow! You mentioned Monarch and

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people breathed a huge sigh of relief when they realise that they

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have been rescued, as it were, at its not been, we would have been in

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a position today when thousands of people were in the same situation.

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They would not have been in the same position, anything like that,

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because every British passenger is covered by Atol whether you are

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booking flight only, unusually with Monarch and with Monarch capital at

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the holidays. The Civil Aviation Authority would have organised right

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times and said to the hotel owners, we are the British government, we

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will pay, that would have been smoother. If you want gold-plated

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protection, that is the way to do it, booking a British holiday with

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Atol-protection. We heard that this was because of Brexit, and concerns

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over the pound falling, you have had a look at what it is doing today.

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Not good news. Heading the wrong way, that means if you are going on

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holiday, your euros and dollars will cost you more. If you are going to

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Dubai, it is awful, it is as though... I have just come back from

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Abu Dhabi, actually, and it is as though all of the prices have gone

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up by one fifth, that is the problem we are facing. We asked in the

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European Union but down the line, what are the problems we will face

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with Brexit? We will face issues, I wouldn't say problems, European

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health insurance card entitles you to treatment in all the other EU

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countries, clearly, if we are not in the EU, that will no longer apply.

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We may have a similar deal. Your good old British passport which will

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get you happily into those countries, without formality, it

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could be they are looking at a new scheme where we would have to

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register online and tell the system the plans for travelling to Spain or

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France or Italy, and quite possibly have to pay for it as well. But that

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is down the line. At the moment, we are still all right, except we still

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won't -- we won't have quite so much money in our pockets. Indeed, we are

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the poor people of Europe. I love Simon, he's always brimming

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with brilliant advice. Yesterday we told how Amanda Jackson

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was scammed out of the money to buy her new home,

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after being tricked into transferring the cash

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into the fraudster's account, Well quite a few of you sent

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in the same simple tip to make sure any money transferred ends

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up in the right place. He says he always sends an initial

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payment of one pound, then confirms the other party

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has received it before It not only prevents fraud

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but protects him if he's made a mistake typing

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in the right account details. Something else we covered

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yesterday was the safety

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of contactless bank cards. John Clarke emailed to say that

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after watching the piece he got hold

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of the sort of mobile phone app and was horrified to see it did

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indeed pick up his card details. He tells us he'll be buying

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those protective wallets Sheila Tennant says she never

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misses the programme, not only for the stories, but to see

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what necklace Gloria is wearing. She asks, "How many

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does this lady own?" The answer... I would hate to tell

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you, once I snuff it, we will have a big job sorting through it! I was in

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Croatia last week, I tell you, jewellery in Croatia is really

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cheap! Some other recent stories that are

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prone to quite a response. Lots of you who own pets really loved a

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great money tip we featured on the programme last month. Sarah from

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Bristol wrote to us after discovering she could get her cat's

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asthma medication much cheaper from an ordinary chemist than from the

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vet. I was very surprised that I could find this medication at a

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human pharmacy, quite angry at the vet, actually, not sure how they

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could justify such a mark-up in medication. Sarah still pays the vet

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?15 for the prescription but by taking it to buy and the

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prescription at the local chemist, she can save ?20 a time. Looking at

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the savings I have made, over ten years, I have saved an incredible

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amount of money and buying courage others to do the same. Some of you

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when to do that straightaway, including Annette, she e-mailed to

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say how her labrador's medicine had been costing ?97 a month, but after

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hearing the advice from Sarah, she discovered she could get it at the

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high-street chemist for ?12, that is a massive saving. And there has been

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great news on another story that we featured last month, Paul Scott

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Bates had taken up an offer to have cavity wall insulation installed in

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news home, free of charge, to make it more heat efficient. Then, damp

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began to appear, over time it only got worse. Paul discovered that

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while the installation was free to put in, taking it out could cost

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dozens of pounds. To find now that it is causing problems... --

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thousands of pounds. It is a problem that we cannot afford to have

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rectified. Karen Easton from Preston is in the same position, now. It

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worries me that we will have to pay to take it out, if they will not

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take responsibility, because we are talking thousands of pounds that we

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do not have. We introduced Paul and Karen to Pauline Saunders, who after

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experiencing similar problems are self campaigns to help others in the

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same boat. I can't guarantee anything, obviously, but it will not

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be through lack of trying. If we don't get justice for them we will

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try. Sheen courage Paul and Karen to go through the arbitration scheme of

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the industry body they expect would help, that is still going on. -- she

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encouraged. After our report went out, the company offered to take a

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cavity wall insulation out absolutely free, and we were at

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Paul's house as work got underway. When we were looking into it,

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several thousand pounds to get it removed, three days of work, for

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somebody to make that sort of gesture in time and money is very

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kind. We are looking forward to having it out and being able to get

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on, it causes a lot of stress. There is a full bag, which we have

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finished extracting. I would like to thank them... We are grateful for

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the advice we have been given. It has saved as money and hopefully it

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is something that is in the past now. Another of our recent

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programmes highlighted concerns over money raising tactics used by some

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of Britain's best-known charities. Peter Burrows from Castle Bromwich

:22:58.:23:01.

speaks for many when he says that he is fed up of charities he has

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already given to writing to asking for more. I find that a bit

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frustrating, because they are using my money to contact me to try to get

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more money! That is not the only thing that annoys him. I don't like

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being contacted by people that I have not contributed to before. I

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don't like being contacted by people who I think have been sold my

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address. Concerns over how charities share or trade details were brought

:23:36.:23:41.

into sharp focus in 2015, after lit death of 92-year-old poppy seller

:23:42.:23:46.

Oliver Cook. VOICEOVER: Earlier this month, her body was found in the

:23:47.:23:49.

Avon Gorge, family and friends say that the 92-year-old had a number of

:23:50.:23:53.

worries in the months before she died but she also complained to her

:23:54.:23:57.

local newspaper about the pressure she felt from charities sending her

:23:58.:24:04.

letters asking for money. -- Olive Cooke. After her death, her contact

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details were found to be on the databases of 99 different charities,

:24:10.:24:12.

she had potentially been sent thousands of mail outs every year.

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Dame Hilary has worked in the charity sector for 50 years and is

:24:18.:24:20.

disappointing at the way fundraising has changed. Everybody is just

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concerned with getting the money, squeezing it out of people and

:24:26.:24:29.

indeed bullying them to get the money out of them. It makes for a

:24:30.:24:34.

very unpleasant society. That is an opinion that many of you share.

:24:35.:24:37.

Christopher e-mail to say, the only way he could stop repeated calls

:24:38.:24:42.

from one big charity was by threatening to stop giving

:24:43.:24:45.

altogether. Andreas told us, she gets charities ringing her bell,

:24:46.:24:50.

practically bullying her and shaming her on her own doorstep. -- Andrea.

:24:51.:24:57.

One charity contacted us to say that constant pestering is

:24:58.:24:59.

counter-productive and not in the interest of any charity and it is

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hard to disagree with that. STUDIO: I'm pleased to be

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joined now by chairman of the Fundraising Regulator,

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Lord Michael Grade. Michael, your body has been up

:25:14.:25:15.

and running since July. What other kind of things that

:25:16.:25:20.

people are saying that has upset them? Exactly the kind of problems

:25:21.:25:25.

that you have just shown us from members of the public, that seems to

:25:26.:25:29.

be a common cause for complaint. The great sadness of the case of Olive

:25:30.:25:32.

Cooke, other than the personal tragedy, it did highlight a growing

:25:33.:25:37.

concern, growing bad practice in the charity sector. Is the impression

:25:38.:25:42.

you are getting that people are becoming resistant to giving, or

:25:43.:25:46.

that they feel they are being taken advantage of? We are not quite at

:25:47.:25:51.

that point, but we have got to intervene, to make sure that

:25:52.:25:56.

charities raise funds ethically, and do not invade people's privacy is in

:25:57.:26:01.

ways they do not welcome. We do not want to take for granted the

:26:02.:26:04.

wonderful generosity of the British public. Fabulous givers. They

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respond wonderfully to causes. We cannot take that for granted and we

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must not abuse it, that is what we are here to stop. What came out of

:26:14.:26:19.

the film was that people were being invaded somehow, either by phone

:26:20.:26:24.

calls, people knocking on their doors... How do you react when that

:26:25.:26:27.

happens to you? I get very cross indeed. I don't like it. I don't

:26:28.:26:34.

like getting unsolicited texts, I tell them that I am a leading

:26:35.:26:38.

litigation QC! And I'm putting them on notice. I do anything. I never

:26:39.:26:44.

hear from them again. I don't like my doorstep being invaded. The

:26:45.:26:48.

overwhelming majority of people in this country, they are willing to

:26:49.:26:55.

respond to a good cause, causes they identify with, we don't need to be

:26:56.:27:00.

pestered. And harassed. Particularly the vulnerable. Would you say that

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your organisation has teeth? How much will you be able to do to

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remedy this? We do have teeth, we can name and shame, all the

:27:12.:27:14.

charities not to do certain things, we can go in and audit and

:27:15.:27:20.

investigate. We can ultimately report them to the charity

:27:21.:27:24.

commission, who have power over all charities in this country.

:27:25.:27:29.

Ultimately, there is the backstop that the government could take over

:27:30.:27:34.

the regulation of charities through a statutory regulator, which is not

:27:35.:27:39.

what anybody wants. It is always there. I am very confident we have

:27:40.:27:44.

the powers to stop people. We are there, properly resourced,

:27:45.:27:48.

independent, we are there to hear the public concerns and take action.

:27:49.:27:52.

I'm sure that is going to be very reassuring to all of the people that

:27:53.:27:55.

feel there are good nature has been taken advantage of. What you have

:27:56.:27:59.

shown in the programme, in a sense I knew about it, there are practices

:28:00.:28:06.

out there which do put at risk the public's generosity and it has got

:28:07.:28:10.

to stop. Thank you very much for joining us.

:28:11.:28:18.

Well we've been talking about problems with

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but outside at our pop up shop Gloria's with someone who's had

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That's right, among the many people out here with us this

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morning are Janice Chisholm from Trading Standards

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Now it is a bit windy here, so we hope that you can hear us.

:28:30.:28:34.

Now Matita, I understand you came over a bit Miss Marple when one

:28:35.:28:37.

of these plastic bags landed on your doorstep asking

:28:38.:28:39.

you to donate clothes and gadgets in aid of a charity for ex servicemen.

:28:40.:28:43.

I had one delivered, three, actually, on three separate

:28:44.:28:45.

occasions, delivered through my letterbox, in aid of a charity.

:28:46.:28:50.

Asking me to put unwanted clothes, etc, in it. I thought, good, an

:28:51.:28:54.

opportunity to get rid of some stuff. I looked at the bag

:28:55.:28:58.

carefully, it had several spelling mistakes on it. Like what? It said

:28:59.:29:08.

"His Royal Higness" and I thought that was a bit of a giveaway!

:29:09.:29:12.

LAUGHTER It had a charity number, it did not

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add up, it was a fake number. There was a telephone number on the back

:29:17.:29:21.

which did not work... And so I assumed it was a scam, which it

:29:22.:29:30.

turned out to be. Do you hear about this a lot? In terms of crime, it is

:29:31.:29:35.

comparatively low risk for the criminals, so it is the sort of

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thing that they can actually do and not much chance of them being

:29:40.:29:43.

caught, so we urge the public to be vigilant. What do you do as an

:29:44.:29:45.

organisation? In Islington we have had undercover

:29:46.:29:57.

officers out on the streets, trying to catch people. With results? It is

:29:58.:30:02.

difficult, we cannot be that 24 hours a day, so we are urging the

:30:03.:30:07.

public to help us. And you, what have you done? I got in touch with

:30:08.:30:11.

the police and with the Trading Standards and with the fraud squad.

:30:12.:30:14.

Gosh, that's something to be reckoned with, good for you! Thank

:30:15.:30:21.

you both of you. Back here, I will find Simon Calder again. You should

:30:22.:30:27.

have a coat on or something! Anyway, we have an issue to do with Virgin

:30:28.:30:31.

Trains. Somebody e-mailed us to say that during a visit with his elderly

:30:32.:30:35.

parents, his brother back at home had two cardiac arrests and was

:30:36.:30:38.

taken into intensive care. Obviously, he was desperate to get

:30:39.:30:43.

back, but when he turned up at the station, one of those prepaid ticket

:30:44.:30:46.

things can they would not let him go earlier, which I think was really

:30:47.:30:51.

mean? Most certainly. Now, I think this is really applying the rules

:30:52.:30:55.

too strictly. Of course if you book a ticket of this type, it tells you

:30:56.:31:00.

it is only valid for that train. But of course, train managers are human,

:31:01.:31:04.

and in my experience, if there is a good reason for somebody to travel,

:31:05.:31:07.

like they are very distressed because there is a leanness in the

:31:08.:31:10.

family, of course there has got to be some flexibility. His brother

:31:11.:31:14.

could have died, and I mean, wouldn't you think that in a

:31:15.:31:19.

situation like that, a matter of life and death, that some of the

:31:20.:31:24.

rules could be bent? Most certainly, and there is normally a bit of

:31:25.:31:27.

flexibility. But of course ultimately, the rules are the rules.

:31:28.:31:34.

If everybody just says, no, read what it says, then unfortunately you

:31:35.:31:37.

just have to pay out more money at a time when you are very, very

:31:38.:31:40.

stressed. What do you think yourself? Well, they are being

:31:41.:31:45.

straight down the line, saying, these are the rules. In reality, the

:31:46.:31:49.

people who work on the railways are human and compassionate and normally

:31:50.:31:52.

they would help you out if you're in distress. We contacted Virgin

:31:53.:31:56.

Trains, and we hoped the company might have a change of heart, but

:31:57.:31:59.

they told us that while they sympathise with customers who

:32:00.:32:04.

experience unforeseen changes, it is very important to be consistent in

:32:05.:32:08.

the application of ticket regulations. And buying an advanced

:32:09.:32:11.

ticket at a cheaper price means accepting a lack of flexibility, and

:32:12.:32:16.

Virgin are within their rights to stick to their policy. But we all

:32:17.:32:20.

think that there should be a bit of compassion. I think probably Virgin

:32:21.:32:26.

are quite embarrassed by this. People were not trying it on, they

:32:27.:32:31.

were just in a desperate rush to get home. In one word, would you buy

:32:32.:32:37.

insurance to cover this? No! ?2, and the terms and conditions are

:32:38.:32:41.

terrible! There you go, some great advice!

:32:42.:32:45.

Earlier in the week, we revisited the shocking

:32:46.:32:49.

story of a house that collapsed when the builders started

:32:50.:32:52.

We mentioned a couple of viewers had been in touch offering help.

:32:53.:32:56.

But catching up again with the couple still battling

:32:57.:32:58.

to sort this out, it seems that however well-intentioned,

:32:59.:33:01.

It still appears the best hope of finally getting things resolved

:33:02.:33:05.

is through the various insurance companies involved.

:33:06.:33:07.

Well, we'll be keeping a very close eye on what happens next,

:33:08.:33:09.

as it does feel wrong that they've been left picking up

:33:10.:33:13.

the pieces when the insurance you'd expect would help,

:33:14.:33:16.

from big companies, too, has so far done no such thing.

:33:17.:33:21.

Yesterday we touched briefly on reports that robots

:33:22.:33:23.

While fans of automation claim it's more efficient,

:33:24.:33:34.

lots of you are missing that personal connection

:33:35.:33:35.

One for this, two for that. Everything is moving potentially a

:33:36.:33:48.

bit robotic, which can be quite unfriendly. I always refuse to go to

:33:49.:33:54.

a machine. For me, I find the personal touch better. By the time

:33:55.:34:00.

you get to the third number, I'm a bit like, I just want to speak to a

:34:01.:34:09.

person! If all of that sounds familiar, then this music probably

:34:10.:34:14.

will as well. Vivaldi could never have imagined that his Four Seasons

:34:15.:34:19.

would become so irritating, if it is played countless times when we're

:34:20.:34:24.

stuck. And even when you do get through on the phone, it is unlikely

:34:25.:34:27.

that in the first instance you will speak to a real, live person, a bone

:34:28.:34:33.

of contention which brought some folks to our pop-up shop. I got a

:34:34.:34:37.

pre-recorded voice. You're trying to say what the problem is, and this

:34:38.:34:41.

will voice says, I'm sorry, I did not get that. So they've obviously

:34:42.:34:46.

got a bank of about ten different things that they accept, and after

:34:47.:34:52.

about three attempts, Iceland the phone down and swore, I'm afraid!

:34:53.:34:58.

It's a far cry from when even getting your call connected might

:34:59.:35:01.

actually involve a genuine human voice. I am connecting your call to

:35:02.:35:07.

New York... Up today, all aspects of our lives seem to be moving away

:35:08.:35:11.

from personal interaction. Shopping for groceries has gone from this to

:35:12.:35:16.

this. Most everyday banking can be done via a machine rather than

:35:17.:35:20.

queueing at the counter. And the same is true of everything from

:35:21.:35:24.

borrowing library books to booking train tickets and ordering food.

:35:25.:35:30.

Your nearest walk-in centre is at this hospital... Under new plans, we

:35:31.:35:36.

could be self diagnosing all our smartphones via the NHS website.

:35:37.:35:42.

Technology champion Jeremy is all for such developer is. There is a

:35:43.:35:49.

great amount that can be done faster, and, more reliable, more

:35:50.:35:53.

convenient and allow you to get a lot more done. Furthermore, it's

:35:54.:35:58.

exciting, and it's just on your doorstep, waiting for you to grasp

:35:59.:36:01.

it. It would be a shame if you did not try it. Jeremy worked on recent

:36:02.:36:07.

research which found that by 2020, 30 5% of jobs are likely to involve

:36:08.:36:12.

some element of automation or be completed read-out by technology. --

:36:13.:36:19.

35%. One of the most exciting areas is trifle as taxis. This is a case

:36:20.:36:26.

of if not win. The technology exists today. Secondly, in hospitality, we

:36:27.:36:30.

will have restaurants which might have no waiting staff. You go in at

:36:31.:36:35.

whatever time you like and order what you want and it comes to you on

:36:36.:36:40.

an electronic trade or automated robot service. When you're done, you

:36:41.:36:44.

touch a card to pay. What we're talking about is offering the

:36:45.:36:48.

consumer more choice. And some of you can see the benefits. I think

:36:49.:36:52.

it's great for the days when you've got an agenda, you want to go into

:36:53.:36:56.

the supermarket and pick up a cereal and go straight to the till and pay

:36:57.:37:01.

without anyone asking you, as weird as it sounds, how is your day, love?

:37:02.:37:07.

I don't mind, if you need to get quicker to where you need to be,

:37:08.:37:11.

automated cars in the future, for me, it's a bonus. But for many of

:37:12.:37:15.

you, including this consumer psychologist, the personal touch is

:37:16.:37:23.

still very important. Technology systems which do use language are

:37:24.:37:27.

not very good at recognising all of our language. And certainly cannot

:37:28.:37:32.

recognise important, essential human things like sarcasm and humour or

:37:33.:37:38.

the emotion in our voice or the fact that we sound a bit low to date. And

:37:39.:37:43.

that's a major problem to combat. Consumers need to feel that they

:37:44.:37:49.

are, to earn they can trust the thing that's listening to them. I

:37:50.:37:52.

think some people can feel quite cheated when companies only provide

:37:53.:37:57.

a technological way of interacting, because it says to the consumer

:37:58.:38:01.

that, we don't really care enough to provide a person. And of course,

:38:02.:38:06.

some people cannot use that technology effectively. Which is why

:38:07.:38:10.

the professor believes that we may see some companies doing a U-turn

:38:11.:38:14.

and bringing back people to interact with. I think that overall, we can

:38:15.:38:24.

automation in more places. -- we are going to Seymour automation in more

:38:25.:38:28.

places. But there will be places, and it's happening in the banking

:38:29.:38:31.

industry, that will find value in having people to speak to, because

:38:32.:38:35.

that is what customers really want. I agree with that. If you're

:38:36.:38:40.

frustrated by your customer service experience, technology even provides

:38:41.:38:45.

a way to make that clear. Speak on social media, voice your opinion and

:38:46.:38:47.

give them the opportunity and the space to come back to you. If you do

:38:48.:38:52.

it in the right way, it's very likely to give you the results you

:38:53.:38:57.

need. And if you're still not happy, then I suggest vote with your feet

:38:58.:39:00.

and try and find a company that has humans to interact with. Well, I for

:39:01.:39:08.

one prefers speaking to a real person, it has to be said!

:39:09.:39:13.

Love it or hate it, everyone is talking about Marmite today,

:39:14.:39:18.

Also in the news, claims that we will all face

:39:19.:39:23.

higher bills this winter, with reports that energy suppliers

:39:24.:39:25.

are withdrawing some of their cheapest deals.

:39:26.:39:27.

It's been blamed on rising wholesale costs.

:39:28.:39:29.

And after we talked about the frustrations with

:39:30.:39:33.

voice-recognition technology, a story today of a man who struggled

:39:34.:39:35.

for 11 hours to get his voice-activated kettle

:39:36.:39:40.

It would have taken him seconds just to push the button, why didn't he do

:39:41.:39:48.

that?! On yesterday's show,

:39:49.:39:51.

Naga Munchetty revealed there's nothing she likes

:39:52.:39:52.

less than shopping. Well, today, Matt Allwright goes

:39:53.:39:56.

one better, and admits Nobody chases down those rogues

:39:57.:40:07.

Wighton-like all right. It was an if handful chat during which he stuck

:40:08.:40:11.

his Burrow up my nose. Weather on rogue traders or watchdog come soon

:40:12.:40:16.

to start, by the way, he has been hot on their trail for nearly two

:40:17.:40:20.

decades. Some stories that we deal with on Rogue Traders are all about

:40:21.:40:25.

the money, and that's it. But some of them aren't. But away from the

:40:26.:40:29.

cameras, what type of consumer is Mac? Here I am in your empire. This

:40:30.:40:36.

is where it all happens! I never pay full price. I can't do it. And if

:40:37.:40:43.

something is full price, I just mistrust it. I actually don't really

:40:44.:40:46.

like new things. I will never buy new things if I can avoid it,

:40:47.:40:50.

because I think, if you buy them new, you waiting for them to go

:40:51.:40:54.

wrong, whereas if summary else has had them for a while... This makes

:40:55.:40:59.

me sound terrible cheapskate, but genuinely I'm not comfortable with

:41:00.:41:02.

buying something full price. What do you think is the best way to

:41:03.:41:05.

complain? Without a doubt, the best way to complain is to appeal to

:41:06.:41:08.

somebody's human nature and humanity. If you can tap into that

:41:09.:41:12.

and just say, can you imagine how I'm feeling worried that is a really

:41:13.:41:16.

useful phrase - can you imagine what it is like to be in my position?

:41:17.:41:21.

That is when I find you get the best response from people. Someone used

:41:22.:41:24.

to say to people, there was nothing wrong with my money when I handed it

:41:25.:41:27.

over, but there is something wrong with your product. That's great! I'm

:41:28.:41:32.

going to take that and use it as if it was mine! Thank you! Where do you

:41:33.:41:37.

think you waste money? My bigwig this is guitars. But you see I don't

:41:38.:41:43.

consider it a waste because I think guitars are multifunctional. You can

:41:44.:41:46.

hang them on the wall and they look beautiful, and you can play them,

:41:47.:41:51.

and in the end, you can sell them. What about clothes? Well, you can

:41:52.:41:55.

see for yourself. I was about to say, you haven't spent a fortune!

:41:56.:42:00.

This is how I go to work most days, if I am not in leather. No, I don't

:42:01.:42:06.

spend a lot of money on clothes. I have to say, it's been a revelation.

:42:07.:42:10.

You have this very hard face on the screen. I love it when you bang on

:42:11.:42:14.

those doors. And you're actually a big softy. Listen, if you can

:42:15.:42:19.

recommend me a good plumber, I would love to know! I have met all of the

:42:20.:42:23.

worst ones! But I need one for my house! Thank you very much. Imagine

:42:24.:42:31.

Mac answering the door if you're going to do a job for him!

:42:32.:42:35.

As usual, you've been sending in your questions all morning.

:42:36.:42:44.

Someone is fed up with people knocking at her door after dark.

:42:45.:42:47.

And here to help answer some of those are Simon Calder

:42:48.:42:50.

Laura says, her bag was lost for three days after flying home and

:42:51.:42:58.

when she got it back, it was badly damaged. The airline will not pay

:42:59.:43:04.

for a replacement, so what should she be doing? She is theoretically

:43:05.:43:10.

entitled up to ?1000, but it all depends on the definition of badly

:43:11.:43:14.

damaged. Because the airline say, normal wear and tear, and that can

:43:15.:43:19.

include things like tearing handles off, the wheels coming off the case,

:43:20.:43:22.

part of the normal business of baggage handling, they might say.

:43:23.:43:26.

She could try her travel insurers to see, but of course, the first rule

:43:27.:43:32.

is, don't check in anything you don't want to lose. And this one,

:43:33.:43:38.

from Geoff, he says, I have just had a smart metre fitted, and if I want

:43:39.:43:42.

to change my energy supplier, will it still work? It depends. Smart

:43:43.:43:46.

metres do lots of great things, and you might find that if you switch

:43:47.:43:51.

supplier, you might lose some of the functionality. But check, they have

:43:52.:43:55.

got some good information on their websites. Good luck with that,

:43:56.:43:56.

Geoff, if you're listening! Sorry we don't have time to read out

:43:57.:44:02.

ALL your questions - but we will use them to help us

:44:03.:44:07.

decide what to cover In the meantime, it's our last

:44:08.:44:10.

live show tomorrow - so there's even more

:44:11.:44:14.

incentive to keep sending We'll be investigating mounting

:44:15.:44:20.

concerns over the safety of the tumble dryers that have

:44:21.:44:23.

sparked devastating fires. And we'll find out how instruction

:44:24.:44:27.

manuals suddenly got

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