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so widely. Thank you for joining us. After a week of battling to solve

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your consumer problems it is over for the final Rip Off Britain life.

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It is the last in our special week of life editions of Rip Off Britain.

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We went to be going quietly! Stand by for another programme packed with

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advice you don't want to miss on everything from understanding

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instruction manuals, to knowing which restaurants have basic hygiene

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standards. Will be on picking what some people are calling the biggest

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consumer scandal for decades. The question is, if your tumble dryer

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one of the 5 million at risk of catching fire? We asked

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We asked you to tell us what has been left you feeling ripped off.

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You told us about customer service that is not up to scratch. I have

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complained and complained and nobody has taken any notice. I think it is

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way for the shops to take more money. You've asked us to track down

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the scammers who have stolen your money and investigate unfair

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charges. They are trying to offer you little things extra. And when

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you've lost out but no one else is to blame, you've come to us to stop

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others falling into the same trap. I ran up company and they said it

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wasn't their fault, so whose fault is it? So whether it is a blatant

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rip-off or a genuine mistake, we are here to find out why you are out of

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pocket and what you can do about it. Your stories, your money. This is

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Rip-Off Britain. Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain Live. We've

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enjoyed your company all week long but, sadly, all good things must

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come to an end and today is the last day of our run of live shows. We've

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enjoyed enormously but we still got a packed 45 minutes ahead and we're

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going to be using every moment of that time to solve your consumer

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problems and also to tackle the issues that really do matter to you

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most. I'll second that, so do send in your comments. We are live and

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all your questions go to [email protected] or you can

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look for BBC Rip-Off Britain on Facebook. We'll be getting our teeth

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into an incredibly important story in just a moment and later on will

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be asking why so many restaurants don't be basic hygiene standards. --

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meet. With so many of you moaning about the demise of proper

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instruction manuals, we've set two groups the challenge of testing out

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whether the old way of doing it is better than the new. We are going to

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see if the one who followed the more detailed instructions and not just

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diagrams gets the job done first. They are hard at it already! I'm so

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glad I'm not involved at! Plus, my very good friend, celebrating his

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birthday today, Sir Cliff Richard, will be explaining why he is a

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super-savvy when it comes to his energy bills. Pop-up shop has been

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going great guns all week and we've had some fantastic results. Today

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we've got a consumer clinic chock full of experts, helping and hoping

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to solve even more albums. But first, a big story we featured last

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month and it continues to make the headlines - the safety of 5.3

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million tumble dryers. The manufacturer, Whirlpool, insists

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that while it sorts out the problem the dryers can still be used. But

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there is a growing number of people with a good reason to disagree with

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that. In scenes straight out of a disaster

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movie, West London was brought to a standstill. It quickly became

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apparent that this was really a substantial fire on a huge scale.

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The flames were looking up the side of the building over several floors.

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On a warm August day, 120 firefighters were quickly scrambled

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to a block of flats in Shepherd's Bush. Fire was ripping through the

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middle floors of an 18 story residential tower block. Amongst

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them was the head of fire investigation Charlie Pugsley. I can

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still see the smoke coming from several floors on tower block. There

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was a largely scored and place. We had 20 fire engines, plus specialist

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units, the Metropolitan Police, the ambulance service. So it really a

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significant incident. Local MP Andy Slaughter also rushed to the scene.

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First you have a sense of disbelief because you don't really expect

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something like this to happen and certainly not in your patch and to

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people you know. At least 50 people were evacuated from the building. It

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becomes very apparent that the amount of smoke produced, and with

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windows open, a few bursts of that smoke, it could be life-threatening.

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The disruption and the damage on the loss of property was great but the

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trauma, as well. We had very elderly people, people in their 90s, we had

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people in wheelchairs, who all had to be evacuated. An absolutely

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horrific situation to be in. The cause of the fire, as you'll have

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guessed, was one of the 5 million tumble dryers that the manufacturer

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Whirlpool last year announced were at risk of catching fire. We had

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early with misinformation that indicated that the fire was started

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in the tumble dryer, however we still had to look at it and look at

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the physical evidence. -- early witness information. The owner of

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the flat told her MP she knew straightaway it was the dryer to

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blame. She was obviously very upset but she was very clear about exactly

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what happened and how the fire started and, of course, it was a

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cause which is pretty well-known now and I don't think it was a surprise

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at all to the firemen. After a six-week investigation, London Fire

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Brigade's forensic team confirmed a fault in the dryer had definitely

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started the blaze and, of course, it was the first. Across the country,

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I'm aware of other incidents, so you really are starting to build up the

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bigger picture that actually it isn't just a one-off incident with

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misuse or an accident. In fact, over the last 12 years, at least 750

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house fires have been linked to Whirlpool's tumble dryers, most of

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them because of a fault in models are sold under its Hotpoint, Creda

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and Indesit brands and manufactured between 2004 and 2015. A review

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discovered potential safety issues where XS fluff in the dryers could

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catch in the heating element. The discovery led Whirlpool to announce

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what is thought to be the biggest safety alert in British history, but

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didn't recall the dryers. Instead, it began the process of sending

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engineers to check and, if necessary, modify the appliances to

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make sure they were safe. Good afternoon, you're through to

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Whirlpool, you're speaking to Heather. How can I help? But with

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millions of dryers to get through, that's been a very slow process.

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Last month we featured the case of Laura from Bristol, who was told she

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would have to wait 11 months before anybody could check if her appliance

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was safe. I was literally horrified. That is such a long time to have to

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wait. 11 months before someone can even come out and put the machine

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right! It just was totally unacceptable. In the meantime,

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Whirlpool insisted that it was safe to continue using a potentially

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affected dryer, so long as it isn't left unattended and the filter is

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cleaned after each use. But, unconvinced, Laura stopped using

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hers altogether. I definitely don't feel safe taking their advice.

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Certainly the week all this happened, there were two news

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stories where people had had their machine catch fire but I'm not going

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to sit there and wait for that to happen just because I put my tumble

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dryer on. Laura had at least received notification from Whirlpool

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that her dryer could be a fire risk before there was a problem. However,

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John Wood, a taxi driver from Hampshire, says he only received

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that warning when it was too late. He'd registered his dryer when he

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bought it back in 2010 but it -- he claims he didn't initially receive

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any safety notice so with no idea that the company was now warning not

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to use the appliance unattended, he thought nothing of putting it on

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while he dropped his wife off at work. But when he returned home, he

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saw smoke coming through the door. I was just in sheer panic. I could

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hear the dog screaming, howling, a different type of Howell than they

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normally do. This whole room was covered inspected rock I've headed

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for the kitchen door, kicked the door open, the dogs have ran past

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me, bolted outside. I've got to hear and noticed that in the corner it

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was all blowing. This whole room was full of smoke. It wasn't until later

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on when the fire brigade had been aborted out they confirmed it was

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the tumble dryer that has gone up in flames. John's two children were at

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school when the fire ripped through the kitchen but the family's two

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lovely dalmatians, Holly and Rosie, where in the house and this shows

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the two of them afterwards covered in suits. Sappy, I'm afraid it

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turned out to be the last picture of holly ever taken. She died,

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presumably of smoke inhalation, later that night. I went to pull

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Holly out and she just didn't respond. The kids didn't see it

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because they were at my parents' house at the time. I broke down in

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tears that night. I have been for the past two nights after that it up

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the wife was devastated because it was our first family pet that we had

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together. She was a member of the family and was with us for eight

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years, nine years. I class her as one of my kids. We can sympathise

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with that. It was three weeks after the fire that destroyed his kitchen

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and led to Holly's death that John says he was finally made aware by

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Hotpoint that his dryer was potentially at risk. And if that

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wasn't bad enough, his home insurance won't pay out further

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damage to his house because the policy doesn't cover fires caused by

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an unattended appliance. So as John waits to see what Whirlpool will do

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to put things right, he knows what he thinks should happen. I want to

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see every affected tumble dryer that they have got, or appliance that is

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affected, be pulled out of everybody's home. Back in Shepherd's

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Bush, the owner of the dryer that caught fire definitely had received

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a safety notice from Whirlpool. And according to the Fire Brigade, they

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had been following the company's advice to the letter but none of

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that stop it going up in flames. In the case of this fire, we have

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really good information that the person using the tumble dryer had

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followed all the manufacturer's recommendations. They were in the

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property while using it, they regularly cleaned out the fluff and

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a into -- lint filter and as far as we're concerned, they did everything

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correct. London Fire Brigade is now calling on Whirlpool to change its

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advice to owners of affected models because despite what the company

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says, it doesn't believe that any of these dryers should be used until

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they've been repaired or replaced. London Fire Brigade believes they

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should change their advice to their customers, so that they should not

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use those tumble dryers until they've been fixed by one of their

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engineering team. We understand we can't stop all fires occurring but

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for us, it's just getting to the point that if you know that a fire

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has the potential of starting, to us that should be the point where you

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say, "Please don't use it". MP and disorder agrees and is amongst those

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who can't understand why Whirlpool didn't immediately issue a full

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product recall. What happened to my constituent here, I think, just

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shows that that advice is not correct. She was told, "You can

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carry on using it, don't leave your flat, don't leave it on when you go

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to sleep, but otherwise it is safe to continue using it". It clearly

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wasn't. I think it's unbelievable that Whirlpool are still saying to

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people, "You can carry on using it". That is, to my mind, only being done

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for their commercial convenience and it is just not good enough and this

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is a matter of public safety and they need to act now and if they

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won't act, the Government have to tell them to act. With pressure on

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Whirlpool growing, the consumer minister Margot James has said that

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she'll be organ -- ordering the company to do more to reassure

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customers and the wider public. At the same time, she announced the

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creation of a new working group on product recalls and safety but John

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Wood hopes for more immediate action. I want every single affected

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product removed from people's houses before somebody does lose a life.

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We've lost a life with the dog. To us, it's a child. So every single

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product needs to be removed. Stop using it, switch them off, unplug

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them, don't use them again. Such heartbreaking stories behind

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every one of those cases. Whirlpool has told us that its thoughts are

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with all of those who were affected by the Shepherd's Bush fire but as

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the independent forensics investigations into the

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investigation are still ongoing, it would be inappropriate to comment

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further. But it also said the same is true with John Wood's case but it

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was saddened by his loss and has contacted him directly. The company

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went on to insist that safety is its number one priority and it is

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committed to ensuring its tumble dryer modification programme is

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carried out in a safe and timely manner and to speed things up, it

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has doubled its engineer and call centre teams and introduced more

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convenient booking systems. But Whirlpool has changed its advice

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that dryers waiting to be checked can still be

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used as long as the filter is cleaned after use and they aren't

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left unattended. A lot of that advice is a bit questionable in my

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mind but joining me now are Pete from company Margaret and consumer

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champion Lynn Faulds Wood. I'm trying to relate it to myself. I do

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not want a machine that is likely to go on fire. I do not want to watch a

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machine going on fire. The whole thing is ridiculous so why so much

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conflicting and in my opinion bad advice?

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That is a good question and I think watching a film and hearing what the

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London Fire Brigade are saying, the advice is to not use these machines

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until you have had a repair or a replacement. The problem is

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consumers are getting conflicting advice, when they are speaking to

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well pill, and it is worrying. What did you find when you went

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undercover version Mark we did some research back in May and we spoke to

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800 people who had been affected. We did 30 undercover calls to the

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Whirlpool call centre to find out what was going on and we found a lot

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of problems. Like what? The first thing is they were telling people it

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would take 8-10 weeks to get a customer identification number and

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until you have that, you can't start the process of repair and

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replacement. There was bad advice, call centre staff telling us it was

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nothing to worry about but here we have Whirlpool telling us you have

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to sit with your machine the whole time. Some of the people wrote to us

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were waiting 11 months for somebody to come out. Lynn, yours was an

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independent report for the Government. I was asked to do it

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nearly two years ago the first time and here we are and I think the

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Government are sitting on their hands. Everyone at Whirlpool and

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their staff should be made to watch your package. That was a brilliant

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at example of what can happen. First of all, another block of flats could

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go up on fire. Think of the fear, Whirlpool, that those people felt

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watching all that smoke go past their windows, there are 18 flaws in

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that building, and then think of the firemen that are going in there

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because I know from talking to them, their hearts were pounding because

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they didn't know what they'd find and the last time they went into a

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big block of flats with a fire, there were deaths. The whole block

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could potentially go up in smoke, which would be horrendous. The thing

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I have found, sorry to interrupt you, this was an independent review

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for the Government and I've found that the system is broken. The

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recall system just doesn't work properly. Am I being naive in

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thinking the cost of employing more engineers, all the effort to try and

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check them, modify, why don't they just withdraw all of them and

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replace? It's a good question and I think there is a problem with the

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recall system. Lynn did her report but not enough has been acted on it.

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We had a steering group come out of that and the Minister is saying they

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are setting up yet another working group and we are fed up of reviews

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and steering groups and working groups. We want action and change so

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these sorts of situations can't happen and so the system we have is

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safe. We are talking about deaths in block of flats, we are not saying

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that has happened but potentially, a block of flats could go up. 5-.3

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million machines we are talking about, a lot of people don't even

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know if they could be affected. Because it is an American company,

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is that why the Government aren't hitting harder? It is a huge

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company, one of the biggest in the world. It is based in Peterboro now,

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that is where the head office is and you have trading standards there

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dealing with an enormous company. I was asked to do this review because

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the safety laws weren't adequate in this country and the opinion in the

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House of Lords was driving change and the review was announced to stop

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those changes in the law and I think we still urgently need changes in

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the law. In one word, what would you do? I think the Government needs to

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review this case significantly, look at what went wrong and what actions

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it is going to take. Not another review? The Government needs to look

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at this specific case and see what they are going to do. Thank you very

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much, it throws a lot of light on your investigations.

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Well, anyone with a Indesit, Hotpoint or Creda tumble dryer

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Mackie academic manufactured between 2004 and 2015 who hasn't been in

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touch can call this free helpline. I think we really do advise you do

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that. Our inbox yesterday was dominated by comments about

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charities after Lord grade told us his plans to keep them in check but

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Valerie from Leicestershire told us that whenever she sends a cheque to

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a charity, she sends a letter warning that future donations will

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depend on them not bothering her again. She says it seems to be

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working. Simple but effective. And Brian goes one further by

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discouraging any unwanted callers at his door, putting up a sign saying

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he charges 10p a minute to listen to any sort of pitch or message and by

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knocking on the door or ringing a bell, you signal your agreement --

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?10 a minute. And some of you remain fascinated by what we have been

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wearing this week. Eileen Palmer says she loved your necklaces and

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your choice of clothes and you have tassles today. Today I am

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channelling Patsy on her way out for the evening, as opposed to when she

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is on her way in. If you have enjoyed these programmes, and we

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certainly have, you can boat for Rip Off Britain at the national TV

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awards -- you can vote. Back to business and while some of our

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stories get a big response for you, others get picked up by the news. It

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has happened twice this week, with the comments on pensions and worries

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about banks. But one of our recent investigations made headlines around

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the world. Just last Monday, we highlighted a

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new scam affecting residents of Chorlton in Greater Manchester. Alan

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Dunn and Harold Summers had both been baffled to suddenly find a post

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box mysteriously attached to the front of their houses. As I went out

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the door, I noticed that stuck to the wall was this metal post box

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that I have never seen before. So my first instinct was that perhaps it

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had been put there by mistake. In fact, it was far more sinister than

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that. When Alan prised away his box, he could see inside was the mail

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that would normally come through his post box and among the letters was

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something very odd indeed. It was a letter from the TSB saying I had

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opened a new account with them and I had negotiated an overdraft of

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?1000. It was clear that the scammers have stolen his identity

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and opened a bank account in his name and next, they put up that post

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box so they could get their hands on the new card and pin number that the

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bank sent through. They obviously knew the delivery times for the

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postman on that day, they were following him around, almost,

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retrieving the mail. Alan called the police and was able to stop the

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account, but down the road, the same thing happened to Harold. I am

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mystified that anyone would think they could attach a post box to

:21:40.:21:45.

someone's house and get away with it without anyone noticing. Now, at the

:21:46.:21:51.

time, Harold had assumed that he had thwarted the scam, but he was wrong.

:21:52.:21:56.

He has since told us that, like Alan, fraudsters had opened up an

:21:57.:22:01.

account in his name. They had been given a ?1000 overdraft, which they

:22:02.:22:05.

had promptly spent. Luckily, the bank accepted that there had been a

:22:06.:22:08.

fraud and agreed that Harold would not be held responsible. But if a

:22:09.:22:13.

strange new post box appears outside your house, watch out. Someone could

:22:14.:22:17.

be playing fast and loose with your details to. -- also.

:22:18.:22:25.

And who could forget a story that we first covered in our food series in

:22:26.:22:32.

February? We looked into the food hygiene rating scheme, which awards

:22:33.:22:36.

marks out of five to all places serving food after an official

:22:37.:22:40.

inspection. As part of our report, we did our own inspection of

:22:41.:22:45.

branches are five very well-known names that had previously scored a

:22:46.:22:49.

big fat zero in the scheme, meaning they needed urgent improvement. And

:22:50.:22:52.

we sent the results to be examined in a lab. We tested table tops,

:22:53.:23:01.

trays, self-service areas and freehand plates in the bathroom. We

:23:02.:23:06.

also ask each place we visited to supply us with a cup of ice or water

:23:07.:23:10.

and one result stood out. While the rest of this particular lot of rest

:23:11.:23:15.

rooms came out clean, the ice we got from this ranch of KFC in Birmingham

:23:16.:23:20.

contain high levels of faecal coliforms, a kind of bacteria which,

:23:21.:23:27.

I'm afraid, are found in faeces. The presence of faecal chloroform is

:23:28.:23:31.

suggests there is faecal contamination and it increases the

:23:32.:23:37.

risk of getting sick from consuming this. KFC immediately launched an

:23:38.:23:42.

urgent investigation and staff retraining exercises, but the story

:23:43.:23:46.

made headlines around the world. In Australia, Indonesia and, of course,

:23:47.:23:51.

the UK. Well, since then, details of the restaurant's earlier problems

:23:52.:23:55.

have made news again. In late July, the reason the branch had been given

:23:56.:23:59.

its zero rating became clear when KFC pleaded guilty to three charges

:24:00.:24:06.

under food hygiene legislation, as well as dirt, grime and Greece in

:24:07.:24:11.

the kitchen, there had been a mouse infestation, with droppings found in

:24:12.:24:16.

the drinking straws and sore spots. KFC was fined ?30,000 but is keen to

:24:17.:24:22.

emphasise it is all behind it out. It has several times been

:24:23.:24:25.

re-inspected and been given the top rating of five out of five, a fact

:24:26.:24:31.

the restaurant has been keen to big up on this sign outside.

:24:32.:24:36.

Joining me is Michael Harding from the Food Standards Agency and I am

:24:37.:24:39.

glad to say that since we made that film, I have been delighted to see

:24:40.:24:42.

the number of restaurants and food outlets that are displaying that

:24:43.:24:47.

green sign, especially when it is a four or five rating, but there are a

:24:48.:24:51.

surprising number that get zero, one or two. Potentially, what sort of

:24:52.:24:53.

risk are those restaurants posing to public health? A low rating would be

:24:54.:25:00.

given for a variety of reasons, it might include staff training, issues

:25:01.:25:03.

with cleanliness of the premises, pest infestation, a whole host of

:25:04.:25:09.

things can contribute, but ultimately it means there is an

:25:10.:25:11.

increased risk of illness and premises with a lower rating. What I

:25:12.:25:16.

find extraordinary is it is not mandatory that all restaurants that

:25:17.:25:19.

have to be tested do not have to do then put that is little sign in the

:25:20.:25:25.

window. If you see a fora five, you know it is safe to eat, if you are

:25:26.:25:28.

not seeing it, we don't know if it is unsafe or they can't be bothered

:25:29.:25:34.

to put the sign up. In Wales, since 2012, it has been mandatory. In

:25:35.:25:37.

Northern Ireland, from last week. In England and Scotland it is not, why

:25:38.:25:44.

not? It would require a the law and we at the Food Standards Agency

:25:45.:25:47.

absolutely favour the mandatory display of hygiene rating, so we are

:25:48.:25:50.

putting their case together based on the evidence from Wales, which is

:25:51.:25:53.

really strong and shows it pushes up standards of hygiene, and we have

:25:54.:25:57.

been presenting this to ministers and it will be for them to consider.

:25:58.:26:02.

It will need to go through a legislative process, so we are

:26:03.:26:04.

behind it, pushing for it, but it won't be overnight. In the meantime,

:26:05.:26:10.

how can we be sure if we are going into a restaurant that doesn't have

:26:11.:26:12.

one of those green stickers that it will be safe to eat there. What can

:26:13.:26:18.

we do? You can always ask, but I would recommend going online,

:26:19.:26:21.

looking on the Food Standards Agency website. We make all of the data

:26:22.:26:26.

available for reuse and there are a whole host of smartphone apps

:26:27.:26:30.

available, so you go on to the App Store, download the app and check it

:26:31.:26:34.

before you go into the business. And recommendation from other people is

:26:35.:26:38.

always good. Thank you very much indeed, Michael. Let's hope we see

:26:39.:26:43.

more of those green stickers with four and five. Now, the pop-up shop

:26:44.:26:47.

is bursting with expertise, so let's get straight to it and sold more of

:26:48.:26:50.

your problems. We have had an absolutely fantastic

:26:51.:26:55.

week in the drop up consumer clinic. Lots of people have come to see us

:26:56.:26:59.

and we have managed to save people thousands of pounds, both on and off

:27:00.:27:02.

the camera. One of the people involved is our personal finance

:27:03.:27:07.

expert Sarah Pennells and with her is Colin, who we will talk to in a

:27:08.:27:12.

minute. Where have you come from? Wapping. Not too far, then. Sarah,

:27:13.:27:17.

tell us about various cases you have been doing. I know energy bills have

:27:18.:27:23.

featured highly. Yes, we started the week trying to help Nolde retired

:27:24.:27:26.

firefighter and Colin came to the pop-up shop on Monday and I have

:27:27.:27:31.

been trying to help him. He moved into his flat a couple of years ago

:27:32.:27:34.

and tried to pay by direct debit and it didn't happen. He didn't get his

:27:35.:27:38.

first accurate bill until a year after he moved in. I have seen the

:27:39.:27:42.

paperwork, he has at all kinds of Bill saying he owes them hundreds,

:27:43.:27:48.

they owe him hundreds and finally we have some sort of resolution where

:27:49.:27:52.

his energy supplier, first Utility, has said account issues meant Colin

:27:53.:27:56.

didn't receive his bill until a year after living in the property and

:27:57.:28:00.

there were delays with subsequent bills which is not up to their usual

:28:01.:28:04.

standards, so they will offer him a gesture of goodwill to apologise and

:28:05.:28:07.

also offering an affordable repayment plan so he can repay the

:28:08.:28:13.

money they say he now definitely does owe. So presumably it makes a

:28:14.:28:16.

lot of difference that you can spread the load? It is great, but

:28:17.:28:23.

there has been a lack of communication from their side which

:28:24.:28:29.

has been upsetting. Any other successes to report? We were

:28:30.:28:33.

contacted by Kevin, a pensioner in Hartlepool, who found that Vodafone

:28:34.:28:37.

were taking payments of ?18 a month out of his bank account for 18

:28:38.:28:40.

months even though he no longer had a phone with them. He contacted

:28:41.:28:46.

Vodafone and told them it was their mistake and get the money back in

:28:47.:28:50.

his account in 24 hours. That didn't happen so he got in touch and the

:28:51.:28:54.

good news is that Vodafone said they are sorry, it was down to human

:28:55.:28:57.

error, they refunded the money and made a gesture of goodwill in

:28:58.:29:00.

recognition of their mistake. It is funny when we get in touch, the

:29:01.:29:06.

story seems to come right. Rip Off Britain strikes again! Over here, I

:29:07.:29:10.

have my favourite technology expert, David McLelland, with the dimple in

:29:11.:29:13.

his chin. What have you been up to? After Wednesday's show, I spoke to

:29:14.:29:23.

Jennifer who had been saving up her Clubcard vouchers from Tesco to pay

:29:24.:29:27.

for a senior rail card when she went to pay for it she found that instead

:29:28.:29:32.

of ?40 at her account, she had 50 p. Criminals had gained access to her

:29:33.:29:36.

account and been buying iTunes gift cards and presumably selling them on

:29:37.:29:39.

so it is not the first time we have come across reports of Tesco

:29:40.:29:43.

Clubcard users being targeted by criminals. We spoke to Tesco and

:29:44.:29:55.

they say they have not been hacked so what we think is happening is

:29:56.:29:58.

that criminals are using the usernames and passwords from other

:29:59.:30:00.

high-profile hacks and trying lots of different sites to see if they

:30:01.:30:03.

work. Lots of people use the same usernames and passwords, which they

:30:04.:30:05.

shouldn't do. And they paid her back? Yes, they gave her her money

:30:06.:30:09.

back. That's what we like to hear. Thanks very much for that. Fabulous

:30:10.:30:16.

advice. That's it from out here. Back to the nice warm studio.

:30:17.:30:20.

Who would have thought our loyalty cards would be targeted? Great to

:30:21.:30:24.

see more fantastic result at our pop-up shop, as we have had all

:30:25.:30:29.

week. Following yesterday's marmite story, apparently to date experts

:30:30.:30:31.

are predicting dozens of familiar brands that are likely to go up in

:30:32.:30:35.

price because of the rise in the cost of imports, all because of the

:30:36.:30:38.

fact that the pound is dropping against the dollar. I'm going to get

:30:39.:30:42.

you to help me hope this. This is an important story that we've covered a

:30:43.:30:46.

number of times before. It is about hospital car parking charges and it

:30:47.:30:50.

turns out that a third of all hospitals are increasing their

:30:51.:30:55.

charges up to ?4 an hour. But the bit that I don't like is this lovely

:30:56.:31:00.

lady down here, who has to have cancer treatment and she says she

:31:01.:31:03.

spent ?400 of the last six months. Gosh! A cautionary, awful doorstep

:31:04.:31:14.

selling scam. Dementia Gran in ?6,000 doors can't. Horrendous and a

:31:15.:31:17.

reminder that we have to look out for the more vulnerable. All this

:31:18.:31:22.

week, you've been telling us about those not so little things that

:31:23.:31:26.

drive you absolutely crazy. Today some of you are none too happy about

:31:27.:31:29.

the lack of instructions in modern life.

:31:30.:31:34.

Yorkshire farmer Dick Linley knows that if the worst happens and

:31:35.:31:38.

something goes wrong with his tractor, he's got a manual which is

:31:39.:31:44.

bound to have the answer. Everything's in it. Checking the

:31:45.:31:48.

oil, the water, the tyre pressures. It is absolutely explicit and

:31:49.:31:51.

simple. I find it terrifically helpful. There are no acronyms used,

:31:52.:32:00.

no abbreviations, no technological stuff. It is straightforward, "This

:32:01.:32:05.

is how you do that, this is how you do the other," and I think that's

:32:06.:32:11.

incredible. Dick has always valued these clear instructions but he's

:32:12.:32:15.

noticed that over the years the information manufacturers supply has

:32:16.:32:20.

become more sketchy and, indeed, with the latest technology, like his

:32:21.:32:23.

new mobile phone, you are often left to fend for yourself. There is no

:32:24.:32:28.

instruction manual with this one. All I've got with it are the details

:32:29.:32:33.

of the contract with the service provider. And a nice box. I don't

:32:34.:32:39.

know how you turn the thing on. I've tried clicking it and bending it!

:32:40.:32:43.

There are all sorts of knobs on here but I don't know what to do to turn

:32:44.:32:49.

it on. I don't know. Oh, dear. It's also difficult that Dick has ended

:32:50.:32:53.

up putting his new phone back in the box and is using an old one. And

:32:54.:32:57.

he's not alone in being irritated by the way instructions have become

:32:58.:33:02.

noticeably less helpful. Instruction manuals nowadays are not as

:33:03.:33:06.

comprehensive as the ones that were out in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s. That

:33:07.:33:12.

is the 1950s, not the 1850s. If it is an electronic one, it has a lot

:33:13.:33:17.

of jargon that you don't understand and very small text. Instruction

:33:18.:33:20.

manuals are very hard to comprehend, especially for older people who

:33:21.:33:27.

don't have access to the internet. Don't tell me about flatpack

:33:28.:33:30.

furniture! It's ridiculous, the instruction manual that comes with.

:33:31.:33:34.

Tell me anybody who can put one together right. I had to pay ?40 to

:33:35.:33:38.

have somebody come and build a cabinet for me in the bedroom

:33:39.:33:42.

because I just couldn't understand a word of it. Engineering lecturer

:33:43.:33:46.

Mark has charted the rise and fall of the instruction manual. At the

:33:47.:33:51.

turn of the 20th century, manuals become more and more important.

:33:52.:33:55.

Industrialisation has created objects people want to own in their

:33:56.:33:59.

own house like washing machines and fridges, then the radio comes along,

:34:00.:34:04.

the camera, the car, and each of those objects comes with a manual,

:34:05.:34:07.

each one needs a piece of literature to describe it, to introduce it from

:34:08.:34:12.

their creators to the home. The early instruction manuals are really

:34:13.:34:15.

charming booklets because the inventors and makers are so proud of

:34:16.:34:19.

what they have sold to you. They want you to the cut it and love it

:34:20.:34:22.

and there was a lot of how it works but also how to look after it

:34:23.:34:25.

because you are in the era when people don't think they are going to

:34:26.:34:30.

throw things away. But 30 years ago there was a new kid on the block and

:34:31.:34:36.

things began to change. Welcome to the first IKEA store in England.

:34:37.:34:42.

According to Mark, the way IKEA presented their instructions became

:34:43.:34:47.

a bit of a game changer. The big challenge for the flatpack

:34:48.:34:50.

manufacturers is that they want to sell it to 100 different countries

:34:51.:34:53.

with 100 different languages and make one manual for all of them and

:34:54.:34:58.

all of the economy and the way the business model works is to cut the

:34:59.:35:02.

costs, so they can't make and translated into all these languages

:35:03.:35:06.

so they start making it in pictorial form, so it is picture by picture

:35:07.:35:09.

that everyone supposedly can understand. So no pictures or even

:35:10.:35:15.

no instructions have become the norm. But where to turn to when you

:35:16.:35:20.

get stuck? In Dick's case, he asks one of his three sons for help,

:35:21.:35:24.

though he has to overcome using long distance means to do so. What's the

:35:25.:35:29.

problem? The problem is, it says on the top of this thing that this

:35:30.:35:33.

particular video conferencing service is now unavailable. So I

:35:34.:35:42.

don't know what to do. OK. I don't know what I'm doing. Have you got a

:35:43.:35:49.

big hammer down there? Steady on, Dick! But when there isn't someone

:35:50.:35:54.

around to call, help is just a click away because the chances are that

:35:55.:35:58.

with others likely to be equally baffled, you will find the solution

:35:59.:36:02.

online. If you are struggling, what I recommend you do is go to a

:36:03.:36:05.

computer and type into a search engine the thing that you are

:36:06.:36:09.

struggling with, your mobile phone, TV, toaster, and you will find a

:36:10.:36:12.

whole series of people who have the same problem and you will also see a

:36:13.:36:16.

whole series of answers and you can now tap into the community who can

:36:17.:36:21.

help you, a global community, and they are so generous. And then if

:36:22.:36:24.

you click video, you will find people have made step-by-step videos

:36:25.:36:27.

of how to solve your problem, which I find really helpful. And if you

:36:28.:36:32.

are not online, you may find groups in your neighbourhood that can give

:36:33.:36:38.

advice, too. If you can't get online to help, I recommend having a look

:36:39.:36:42.

in your local community for a community workshop, because that is

:36:43.:36:45.

where people are starting to get interested now, again, in the made

:36:46.:36:49.

object and understanding how things are made. But even without a proper

:36:50.:36:54.

manual, one way or another most of us do actually get there in the end.

:36:55.:36:59.

Put it into your little black book of how to turn the computer on. I

:37:00.:37:03.

have done that and I know how to turn it on now! That's smashing,

:37:04.:37:11.

Matthew. Thanks ever so much. Well, to test out the clarity of

:37:12.:37:15.

your typical book of instructions, we came out on air and challenged

:37:16.:37:19.

two groups to assemble a Playhouse from scratch. One of them using the

:37:20.:37:23.

instructions that came with a box and the other using a rather

:37:24.:37:27.

beautifully descriptive set of instructions that were designed by

:37:28.:37:31.

the DIY expert Jo Behari. What did you do to your set of instructions

:37:32.:37:35.

to make them clearer than the ones in the box? These are the original

:37:36.:37:39.

instructions, black-and-white, and the pictures aren't very clear.

:37:40.:37:43.

There are some intricate details on here that you can't see very

:37:44.:37:47.

clearly, so to make it easier I colour-coded them... To match with

:37:48.:37:53.

the colours of the bits. Exactly. And I wrote out a description for

:37:54.:37:57.

each item, which bit goes where, which bit clicks with which bit. So

:37:58.:38:01.

if you don't like the pictures, you can always use the written

:38:02.:38:04.

instructions. An awful lot of people want to know why when these days

:38:05.:38:08.

everything from mobile phones to prepack furniture is coming with

:38:09.:38:12.

these rather minimal instructions, when actually we all need to know

:38:13.:38:16.

how you do it, how you make it work. Why are they

:38:17.:38:29.

doing that? I think it is costing. A lot of these products are designed

:38:30.:38:33.

to be sold worldwide and you can't write detailed instructions in 300

:38:34.:38:35.

different languages so I think manufacturers are keeping costs down

:38:36.:38:38.

by using the picture forms. But that sets consumers up for failure

:38:39.:38:40.

because they can't understand what bits go where or if something goes

:38:41.:38:42.

wrong, you have to fix it. Our two teams did pretty well because they

:38:43.:38:45.

have completed the houses. You were the winners, using Jo's beautifully

:38:46.:38:48.

coloured instructions. You 80 minutes and eight seconds. Did you

:38:49.:38:53.

find it easier with the colour coding? Yes, because you could work

:38:54.:38:56.

out immediately which bit was which, you didn't need to hold it up to see

:38:57.:39:00.

which bit was which. But I do have to say that the other team, using

:39:01.:39:04.

the black-and-white instructions, you were only ten seconds over. How

:39:05.:39:08.

difficult or easy was it always you watching them? We pretty quickly

:39:09.:39:12.

ignore the instructions and did it by logic and intuition. There were

:39:13.:39:16.

bits with holes that needed to slot into something else and it was

:39:17.:39:20.

helpful not to use the instructions but just to do it between us. Logic

:39:21.:39:25.

and intuition! I have to say, you've both got a couple of bits left over.

:39:26.:39:29.

Is that right? Should they have that? I think those are the

:39:30.:39:32.

decorative items but it is not clear in the instructions that they are

:39:33.:39:36.

optional extras. We have already got people e-mailing us saying how angry

:39:37.:39:40.

they get when they don't get proper instructions, so this is clearly

:39:41.:39:43.

something that really does annoy an awful lot of you. Brands, Jo I'd be

:39:44.:39:49.

absolutely no use whatsoever no matter what instructions you gave

:39:50.:39:51.

us! All this week, we've been asking

:39:52.:39:55.

famous faces to share consumer tips and today is the turn of someone

:39:56.:39:58.

I've known for 45 years, Sir Cliff Richard. As you know, this is all

:39:59.:40:03.

about consumer affairs, whether it is holidays, food, day-to-day

:40:04.:40:07.

living. How astute are you as a consumer? I don't think I'm astute

:40:08.:40:12.

at all, actually. I've been told off many times because I sign a check,

:40:13.:40:17.

sign a bill and then someone will say, how much was it? And I don't

:40:18.:40:21.

even look! I have now started to look and see what the prices are

:40:22.:40:27.

charged and look at the credit receipt and say, it is the same. But

:40:28.:40:30.

I don't like asking the price of things. But you have many houses

:40:31.:40:36.

throughout the world. Are you even conscious of your utility bills,

:40:37.:40:41.

your gas, electric, water bills? I'm very aware of electricity. My dad

:40:42.:40:44.

was always switching off lights and even when I go to someone else's

:40:45.:40:50.

house, if I go there, the toilet light is on and I switch it off. If

:40:51.:40:54.

I see a light that is not being used I switch it off. I can't help it. It

:40:55.:41:00.

is one of those natural things. In American hotels, feeble leave it to

:41:01.:41:04.

be on all the time. I have to switch it off. Are you good at complaining?

:41:05.:41:09.

No, the only time I was ever tough with someone was when I moved into

:41:10.:41:12.

Barbados and they promised me a garden and I got there and there was

:41:13.:41:15.

an eight foot patch of grass and nothing else. I thought it was

:41:16.:41:21.

outrageous. That's the only time I've been that of. I tend to play

:41:22.:41:26.

good cop. Do you like a bit of a bargain? Of course. I get seen in

:41:27.:41:30.

stores in New York looking at shirts and suddenly someone at the other

:41:31.:41:36.

side has gone, "Cliff, what are you doing here?" I say, "What are you

:41:37.:41:42.

doing here was" he says, "I'm here for a bargain," and I say, me too.

:41:43.:41:46.

Of course I can afford to buy things but I still don't want to seem

:41:47.:41:51.

cheap, even though deep down I am. I'm going to give away a secret

:41:52.:41:55.

because you receive things that you really like and then you would send

:41:56.:41:58.

me in to do the deal. You've got the gift of the gab. So you've got

:41:59.:42:04.

deals! I would get my cheque-book out and you would come and say,

:42:05.:42:10.

"This is not the best deal!" It is true! Partners in crime. Happy

:42:11.:42:17.

birthday to him, too. A pair of artful dodgers! Just time to but

:42:18.:42:21.

some of your questions to our personal finance expert Sarah

:42:22.:42:24.

Pennells and technology was David McClelland. The first one is for

:42:25.:42:29.

you, Sarah, and it follows up on our Whirlpool story, for which we fired

:42:30.:42:33.

dozens of e-mails. Debra asks, where would she stand with their insurance

:42:34.:42:39.

if she used a faulty tumble dryer and it caused a fire? It is a really

:42:40.:42:42.

good question. I spoke to the association from British insurers

:42:43.:42:45.

which represents most of the big insurers. I spoke to them a while

:42:46.:42:49.

ago and again this morning and their line is that as long as you use the

:42:50.:42:53.

tumble dry within the manufacturer's instructions, taking the fluff out

:42:54.:42:57.

every time and not ignoring it, being in the same room, you should

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be OK. Having said that, I have spoken to people who have said they

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have done exactly that and their claim has been turned down by their

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insurer so it seems the message is not getting through to all companies

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the way it should. I have one for David from Chelsea. She says she got

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a text message to say she is due a tax rebate and to follow a link to

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continue. How can she tell if it is a scam? Watch this programme! It is

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interesting that the HMRC are increasingly using text messages as

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a means to communicate with customers. In this case, do not

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follow that link. They will never send tax rebate information but go

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to the HMRC website and they will tell you what genuine forms of

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communication looked like. I have to squeeze this in for Sarah. A man

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says he tried to buy an electrical item at ?45 and that the till it was

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60 but the manager refused to honour the price. Was he right or wrong?

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The manager was in his rights. You feel that the price is the price you

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should legally be able to buy but the rules don't actually say that.

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It is a bit more tricky. That leaves us out of time at the end of what

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has been a wonderful week for us. We've had an absolute blast doing

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these live programmes. And may I say, I think all the experts have

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done a brilliant job. Been fantastic, so well done. I'm

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delighted to say we will be back doing even more next year! Thanks to

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everyone who has contacted us this week. We're sorry we couldn't

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include all of your comments and questions but they really will help

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us decide what we are going to investigate in future programmes.

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We've got food and holiday series coming up and we would like to

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remind you that there is more Rip-Off Britain at the same time

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next week, so tune in. In the meantime, thanks for your company

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all this week and from us, bye-bye. Bye.

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