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Now on BBC One it's time for Rip Off Britain Live.

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And welcome back to our special week of Rip Off Britain Live,

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where today we've been undercover in the second hand car trade.

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With, I'm afraid, quite shocking results.

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Wait till you hear how many of the places we checked may

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And we're not talking about some harmless regulation either,

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They're failing to pass on VITAL safety information you

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We asked you to tell us what lefty feeling ripped off and you have

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contacted us in your thousands. You told us about the customer service

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that is not up to scratch. They just want to take money from people. That

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is what it is all about. You asked us to track down the scammers. What

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kind of person could do this to an innocent human being? When you have

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lost out and no one else is to blame you have come to us to stop others

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going through the trap. You have to go through various levels of

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authority. We are here to find out why you are out of pocket and what

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you can do about it. Thanks so much for all

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the comments you sent us We'll be catching up

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with some of them later on. And we hope you'll be equally quick

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to get in touch today. You can do it right now by e-mailing

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us at [email protected]. Or of course you can find us

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on Facebook at BBC Rip Off Britain. We really do love to hear from you,

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and remember all of our investigations are sparked off

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by the things that YOU tell us. So, it was your e-mails that sent us

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out to test if you'll be told the right thing if you're buying

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a used car. I think you will be surprised by

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what we have found. We'll look at some of the tactics

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used by retailers to spur you into spending your money that

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bit faster - or risk missing out. And we'll be returning to a subject

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we've looked at several Are some airlines STILL trying

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to dodge their responsibilities We've news of a campaign

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to keep them in line. Breakfast's Louise Minchin

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will reveal her spending secrets. And we're tackling more

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of your problems on the spot in our pop up advice clinic

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outside in the piazza. Simon Calder will be

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tackling your travel And he's standing by to

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answer your questions, along with consumer expert

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Martyn James. But before all that, get ready

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for some crucial advice if you - or anyone you know -

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is ever likely to be in the market Because after this next report,

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chances are you'll know a LOT more about the rules on this

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than the person who's trying If the second-hand car you are

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buying had a fault which needed fixing, you would probably want to

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know about and the dealers should tell you or even get it sorted. Very

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often they do not. As Anthony and Mandy discovered after they upgraded

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to a much needed bigger car. We had two new grandchildren and wanted to

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take them out during the day and things like that. We could not fit

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them in. We needed three main seeds for the baby seats and two other

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seats for the man and me. We wanted something to take them out that was

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safe to drive. Anthony saw a Vauxhall Zafira for sale. At the

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back of Mandy's mind was that some of these cars might have had issues.

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There was a recall on Vauxhall cars but I was not sure about the model

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war anything like that. Is this the car with the recall is on? He said,

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no. I said, that you or that make or anything. He said it is not that

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model. I was trusting him as a salesman to tell the truth is,

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knowing it was a family car that was being sold. The couple went ahead

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and bought the car. Still not reassured, Mandy thought it best to

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check the recall issue with the manufacturer. I gave them the

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registration details and told them I had been sold the car. They said it

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was on the list and was a recall. The couple could not believe they

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had not been told about this before they bought the car. From driving

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along normally to an inferno in a few minutes. Family cars bursting

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into flames out of the blue. By 2014, with the issue making

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headlines, Vauxhall admitted there was a problem with some electrical

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components overheating in a number of the Zafira models. The company

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recall the car for repairs in 2015 and then eight months later. With no

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risk potentially so serious, you would think the dealer might have

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wanted to let the couple no the car needed to be fixed or get it

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resolved. It was frightening to think we had a car that was a

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potential fire risk on our hands with children and grandchildren in

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it. From that day forward, we never felt safe in it at all. Although

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they send the card to a local Vauxhall dealer to have it fixed,

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they were convinced the dealer they bought it from should have told them

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it had an outstanding safety issue. Their requests to return it were

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refused. He has said, if you have not had a fault as a result of the

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recall being completed, there was no problem. That is not correct. The

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DVS say is clear that under safety regulations dealers are obliged to

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inform buyers if the car they are buying is safe and that includes

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telling them about recall is. They told us that is the very minimum

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that dealers should do and where possible dealers should get the

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vehicle fixed. They are not the only people to have bought a potentially

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affected Zafira about the dealer telling them the car had been

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recalled by the manufacturer. Others had had the same experience. At the

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time was not made aware of any outstanding recall is being made to

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the vehicle. When I found out I contacted the finance company and

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the garage to be told it was not their problem. Because of the

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issues, the value has decreased significantly and therefore it is

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not financially possible for me to do this. I felt misled about the

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issues when I bought the vehicle and I am too scared to drive it with my

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children on board. Although Vauxhall cannot know when or where they used

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Zafira is being sold, it says it is working with independent use car

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website so that when a vehicle is being identified as not having had a

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recall it can try to get the dealer to be detained for necessary work.

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Vauxhall told us that 80% of affected vehicles have now had a

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second recall carried out. It describes as a final fix to the

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problem and has apologised to customers for any distress caused.

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It also stressed that safety is the main priority. It recommends an

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owner who has not responded to a second recall to do so as soon as

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possible. But any manufacturer, not just Vauxhall, can only do so much

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to keep track of who owns the car once it has been sold on. One

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manufacturer told us second-hand vehicles can effectively vanish into

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a black hole. It is all the more crucial that dealers, who can easily

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tell which cars are subject to a recall, do pass on that information

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to buyers. In recent years, millions of vehicles have been recalled for

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serious, perhaps even life-threatening, reasons with

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affected manufacturers including Toyota, Honda and BMW. It just

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underlines how important it is for used-car dealers to follow the rules

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and disclose any outstanding safety recall. According to the chartered

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trading standards Institute, if they do not tell you such vital

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information which may influence a decision to buy the car, it could be

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a criminal offence. Well, only the courts can decide that one. Steve

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Gooding, director of the RAC foundation says this information is

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needed by buyers to be known. Anyone buying a car is going to a

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dealership because they expect a certain level of service. They

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expect the vehicle to be roadworthy. That is rather than buying something

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second-hand. They have a right to feel short-changed if they discover

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there is something wrong with a vehicle, particularly if the vehicle

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is subject to a recall and has not been actioned. To get a sense of how

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widespread the problem this may be, we conducted our own test. There

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were ads from dealers listing second-hand cars themselves. Then we

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went to the website of the ombudsman where we checked which vehicle was

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subject to a vehicle. That is something anyone in the market for a

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second-hand car can very easily do as well. Once we identified 50 cars

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that did still need a repair, we set about calling the dealers to see how

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many of them would tell us that. Remember, the law says it is

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something all of them should do. We had a truly staggering result. Of

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the 50 second handcart dealers, only one told us the information we

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needed to know. It has a safety recall. OK. What does that mean? It

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is a recall and do need to go to the main dealer to fix it. Good on him.

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We didn't stop. We went back to some of the dealers to see what they

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would tell us face to face. There is nothing wrong with it but the

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exhaust. We would not give you a warranty if there was something

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wrong with it. Anything else I need to know? To be honest, it is all

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standard. The same was true at the next place.

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Sounds simple enough but not what we should have been told. At the final

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dealer we visited, we were even more direct. None of these dealers either

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new or willing to tell our team because we were asking about still

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had potentially dangerous problems. Aside from the fact they may be

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breaking the law, it means customers are left without vital safety

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information which they need to know. Luckily there is another way to get

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it. My advice to anyone buying a used car or thinking about buying a

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used car is to have a good think about the model you are going to

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buy. Before setting out to the dealership, have a look on the DVSA

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website. On that website, you will find a fall register of all

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recourse. When you go to the dealership, why not just ask for

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evidence that the recall has been actioned? And invaluable resource.

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No getting away from the fact that the responsibility for relaying this

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kind of information lies squarely with the dealers. That is why the

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couple were angry they were not given this information before they

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bought the car. Definitely would not have bought it. No way. It is awful.

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It is terrible. So sad. It is money down the drain.

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We got in touch with the retail motor industry Federation which

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represents various vehicle dealers, including used-car garages.

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While stressing its members take manufacturers' safety

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recalls very seriously, it's stressed that not every

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recall necessarily means a vehicle is unsafe,

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and the level of remedial work required depends on the precise

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nature of any issue that a recall has identified.

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But it's confirmed it would expect its members to inform

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buyers of any safety matters they're aware of that remain unresolved

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at the time of purchase, whether it was subject to a

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And, of course, as we saw in the film that information

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So, if WE could find it, it's hard to understand why

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I know you will have a lot of thoughts about this.

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As you did with the topics we looked at on the programme yesterday.

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Not surprisingly, the biggest response was to our story

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Jules McCarthy called it an eye opener

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and Gary Philips tweeted to say he had no idea these

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And Kim Bloom and Sally Rintoul were among those who e-mailed to say

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they have elderly relatives who ended up with sky high charges

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for calls they either don't recall making, or that they believe were

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On the same topic, Lawrence Heasman reckons it would be

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simple for the regulator, Ofcom, to set a maximum charge

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Ofcom has launched a review into the cost of these calls.

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And, in the meantime, the company behind the 118 118 number

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does have a freephone alternative if you don't mind listening to an ad

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- a small price to pay to avoid the initial ?8.98 charge.

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And BT too has a lesser-known 118 service with a flat

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Although one person got in touch to say it is so little known that when

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they asked BT about it, the person they spoke to had not heard about it

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either. Very helpful! Meanwhile, as the fall-out

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from last week's ransomware attack rumbles on, some

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of you have sent in advice Peter Casaru, whose son runs

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a computer repair shop in Brecon, echoes the advice we gave to back

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up your files to an But he adds you mustn't leave that

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back-up drive plugged into your computer, or it

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too may get infected. Only when an infected machine has

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been wiped clean and the software reinstalled should you put

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everything you've backed-up back on. Well, do please keep

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your comments coming! It's what YOU tell us that

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determines everything we talk So, while I'm afraid we can't

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include all your e-mails, I promise you we really do read

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every single one. We have all got our fingers crossed

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that summer is not too far away and if you are planning a holiday this

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year, it is worth knowing that flights from some of the UK's

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busiest airports are twice as likely to be delayed as they were five

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years ago. But we know from your e-mails that -

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if that happens - the airlines DON'T always stick to the rules on how

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you should be treated. I am joined by two people who know

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their stuff when it comes to travel. With me are our travel expert,

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Simon Calder, and Pete Moorey from the consumer

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organisation, Which. Pete, Which has launched

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a campaign on flight delays, which presumably is because you're

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expecting so many people to once Why is it likely to happen again

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this year? The airports are becoming busier and with that comes more

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delays. The last thing any of us want as we are thinking about

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holidays is getting to the airport and finding we have got hours of

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delays. That is why we are running this campaign. We have looked at

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flight details over the last few years, 2 million flights came in and

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out of the UK last year, 10,000 of those flights would you compensate

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because they were delayed by more than three hours, that is the

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critical information people need to know. If your flight is delayed by

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more than three hours, you may be owed compensation. Too many people

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find it complicated to get the compensation and they do not know

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how to go about doing it. It is complicated, Simon. A lot of the

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compensation only applies if you are in Europe and using the Europe

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-based airline. America, you will be lucky! Let me run through the rules.

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It depends on whether you are three hours late arriving and not

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departing, they can sometimes make up time. It depends on the length of

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the flight, up to 1500 kilometres, 250 euros, medium length flight,

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400, a long flight, 600. That is reduced to half if you are between

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three and four hours... Already too many facts and figures! Crucially,

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coming back, it only applies if you are flying from somewhere outside

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the EU, Florida, to buy, only applies if you flying on an EU

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airline. The compensation airlines hate they have to give away the

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money so they will do everything they can to stop you -- the

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airlines. You have to fight it. I was on a flight last week with

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Ryanair. They sent an e-mail saying here is a letter for your insurance

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company. I said, no, I am going to claim from you! There is a lot of

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information, is the one place we can find all of this? We have heard

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people find it confusing and complicated and also if they claim

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in the wrong way, the airlines will try to pull the wool over your eyes

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and not give you your money. That is why Which? has taken the stress out

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of the situation. If you go to the Which? website, you can use our

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template letters. You need to put in the details of your flight, the

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delay, we create the letter. Send it to the line and you should get your

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money back. We hope that if you go away this year, you get the macro on

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time. Now you know what to do about it. Get in touch with us and we can

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see what we will do. Thank you, both.

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Next, it's not always just price that determines

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Sometimes retailers may employ gentle persuasion to suggest that

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if we don't do it straightaway, it may be too late, as one

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David loves his gadgets. Do I need an umbrella today? No rain is

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expected in London today. The 80-year-old from London knows his

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tablets from his tweets. I am fascinated by modern technology and

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I just like to do more and more, if I can. The technology I have got at

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the moment is just the tip of the iceberg and there is so much more to

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explore. It is unbelievable. Last Christmas, David spotted this

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newspaper offer for a virtual reality headset from Vodafone for

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the bargain price of ?9, available while stocks last. I heard about

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virtual reality before but I just wanted to see what it is all about

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and have a go. Not wanting to miss out on such a good offer, David

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headed to his local Vodafone store. It was the first day of the offer,

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it was only for two days. By the time I went in the afternoon, it was

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all gone. Despite getting to the store on the day the promotion

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began, David was told the goggles they had in stock had been sold. I

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asked the manager, it is not fair I came all the way and she said, I am

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sorry, we only had ten for this store for two days. So he left the

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shop empty-handed and disappointed. When we contacted Vodafone about

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David's experience, they told us, some stores will always sell out of

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the allocated promotional stock faster than others. Although in

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fact, overall for this promotion, there was no shortage and not all of

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the devices set aside were sold. In situations where all the in-store

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stock has gone, customers can order online with free delivery, they

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added. The expression whilst Ochs last is common practice across the

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industry -- while stocks last. It is the job of the chief executive of

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the Advertising Standards Authority to ensure customers are getting the

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full picture of what is really available and that companies are

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following the rules. One of the things they can do is they can make

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a reasonable estimate of the likely demand for an offer that they are

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named and make sure they have enough stock to satisfy the demand. That is

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only fair because people are sometimes making a trip into town to

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the shop to try to redeem the offer and they do not want to waste a

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journey. The ASA will act swiftly if they come across any retailers who

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are not complying with the regulations. A good example of a

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promoter getting it wrong when estimating demand was Morrisons in

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2014. They were doing a wine offer and on the first day of the

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promotion, some of the stock was running out. We did not think they

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had made a good enough estimate of the likely demand and provided

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enough stock to satisfy it and we published a formal ruling telling

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them to take more care in future. Ultimately, we can refer them to

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trading standards and trading standards can prosecute and find

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under consumer protection law. Cynics might say that while stocks

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last is a marketing gimmick to persuade us to buy more quickly or

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risk losing out and companies have other clever ways to convince as to

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hurry up and spend our cash and it is these tactics Guy says we need to

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watch for. You can look at whether they are running the same sort of

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offer the same time and if they are, it might be a clue this is a trick

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to hurry you into responding to the offer or a trick to make you feel

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the offer is better than it is. That is not fair, it is against the

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rules. In Macclesfield, housing trust peaks and planes organise

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drop-in sessions for digital skills. Today they will be highlighting some

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of the tactics used to encourage us to buy things. The classes are run

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by a specialist consultancy in web technologies. The person sitting

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next to you can help and guide you as you go. Chris is heading the

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class and he is keen to focus on the perils of online shopping. There is

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quite a lot of nudges that organisations and big retail

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companies use to encourage people to buy things like limited

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availability, limited duration, and we will effectively show them those

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and help them understand what they are trying to encourage them to do.

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First, Vera is looking at kettles from Amazon. When she sees a note

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saying only one left in stock, order soon, she is feeling the pressure to

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make the purchase fast or risk someone else beating her to it. The

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way the industry describes it is persuasion design. If you know

:25:20.:25:22.

someone wants to buy something, you can introduce things that might

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encourage them to buy quicker. Hotel booking sites often used similar

:25:28.:25:34.

techniques. Two other people are looking at this right now, they are

:25:35.:25:38.

trying to get you to make a snap decision, it has been booked for

:25:39.:25:41.

macro times in the last day. Trying to encourage you to make a choice,

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when you would normally go and have a cup of tea and think about it. You

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should be able to browse without being prompted to buy and come out

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without being compromised. Hotels .com told us the wording on the site

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is based on current data and it believes customers find the

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information useful for making informed decisions. We also protect

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Amazon the words order soon might push people into making a hasty

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purchase but the company chose not to comment -- we also put to Amazon.

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David will definitely be more cautious about rushing to take up

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any offer in future. I was so annoyed with my experience, if I saw

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an advert again, while stocks last, I will take it with a pinch of salt

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and I will not take up any more special offers.

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Well, he may have missed out on the offer, but Vodafone has now

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sent David the virtual reality headset he was after.

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Looking at today's papers, there's still lots more

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on that cyber attack, with the FT highlighting the dilemma

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for big businesses who need to choose between keeping

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their operations going round the clock or stopping everything

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And the Mail is highlighting how much money is raked in by speed

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cameras on roads with variable limits, typically on motorways,

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where the limit often changes to help with traffic flow.

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?20 million is the total, with 4 million of that earned

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by just one camera on a stretch of the M4 between junctions 19

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I know it well. None of that 20 million came from the!

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The same paper says we throw out a staggering ?80 million worth

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Households typically bin 1.4 million perfectly edible ones each day

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simply because they're a bit bruised.

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To tackle that, supermarkets will apparently be advising shoppers

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on the best ways to use them rather than chuck them away.

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Cook them! That is too much wasted fruit.

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And it just underlines that while the big stores come

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in for a lot of stick over food waste, most of it happens

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Every home should be issued with a goat!

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Every morning this week, our team of experts will be

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grappling with more of your problems in our pop-up advice clinic.

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And Gloria's out there now to see how they're getting on.

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I love it out here. I talked to a woman from Wales who has come just

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to experience this. We've a couple of thorny issues

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out here this morning - both of them to do with travelling

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abroad. First off, Simon Calder

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is here with Bill Bucknell, who contacted us unhappy

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with the price he paid You went with your son and

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daughter-in-law. They had a normal cabin, with bunk beds for the

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children. I booked a single cabin. It only had a single bed. I got

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charged 48% supplement on what they paid per person. I just think that

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is penalising the single person unreasonably. Why were you in a twin

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room? I wasn't. They were. They had one bed out, one bed was in? Single

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cabins with one single bed. What do you make of that? There are more

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single cabins on the cruise liners to reflect more people like Bill

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travelling on their own. The cruise says it is not a supplement, you

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have got a very in demand cabin, bigger bed than normal, two thirds

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the size of a twin room and the usual facilities. The reality is the

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cruise business is designed on the basis of all of the ships will be

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full all of the time. If there is only one of you in a cabin, you will

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not be praying all of the tips that are almost compulsory these days,

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you will not be spending money on expensive alcohol, you will not be

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taking excursions. What do you make of that? I would disagree with that.

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They get tips, whether you are single or not. They would get twice

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as much if there was two people in the cabin. I have no problem with a

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supplement and they called it a supplement for occupying a twin

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cabin on my own. You will have to fight this out. You will not get

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much sympathy! Expedition ships going to Antarctica and they will

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often give you... I do not think the industry will change. I am sure

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there will be people watching who will agree with Bill on this issue.

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I will leave them chatting. Here we have Martin James.

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She went away to Tenerife and kept receiving calls from a number

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She didn't answer them, but when she got home,

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she saw she'd been charged as if she had.

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And there's a very simple explanation why, isn't there?

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I was really surprised. And a bit outrageous. It turns out what has

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probably been happening is she has been receiving voice mails and even

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though she has not been picking them up, she has been hit with charges

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and the charges are not obvious. Even if I switch off my phone, I

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still would pick up the messages? Potentially so. Phones can be

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different. It can be tricky to know if your phone is off. The safest way

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is to turn off your phone for the entire trip or get a new SIM card.

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You are saying there is no clear-cut answer? No. There needs to be

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something done because the regulations could be tighter. I will

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get onto this. Good news for Linda. with her phone company -

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as a gesture of goodwill - I'm sure a lot of people will have

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been caught out with that one. All this week, we'll be catching up

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on some of the stories we've And here's the latest

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on a couple more. Earlier this year, on our Holiday

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series we met unhappy customers of the travel company, Diamond

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Holidays. John Essex, 86 at the time, chose to book a coach holiday

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for a weekend break to London last year. The company's website looked

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impressive and professional foot it looked like a good deal, a great

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price. Months later and two weeks before they were due to go that they

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were finally sent the itinerary for the trip, only to spot the coach

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journey from Brighton to London would take a whopping six and a half

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hours. From Brighton to London is 58 miles. The way the holiday company

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would take us would have been 170 miles. It is three times the

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distance and three times the amount of time. John and Stephen tried to

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ask if they could travel by train instead. That failed and they asked

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to cancel but they were told if they did, they would lose their money. I

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told them I was 86 and registered blind but they were not interested.

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After showing their story with as they did get their money back. After

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our original report went out, we continue to hear from people unhappy

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with Diamond Holidays. In March, the company announced it had gone into

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administration due to financial difficulties. The plans for 16,000

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passengers were scuppered. As the company's passages were protected by

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ABTA it is expected they will all get their money back. Last Friday we

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reported on the growing trend for new-build homes to be sold leasehold

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rather than freehold. It means owners have to pay an annual fee to

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lease or rent the land which belongs to someone else, usually the

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developer or another third party. In many cases, that fee can double

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every few years, a fact that many purchasers say was not made clear,

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including Lisa from Merseyside. We had no inclination at the ground

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rent would increase, never mind double and continue to double every

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period of time. It has just been a lot of worry. In Lisa's case, the

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?250 ground rent with double every ten years if she stays there for 30

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years, she would be paying an annual fee of ?2000. It is really stressful

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and has made us worry about our future, financial security and how

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we will get our kids to university. The original developer of the estate

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said whilst it believes the terms of the lease were set out clearly and

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simply and buyers received independent, professional, legal

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advice it was putting right difficulties faced by customers

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because of this. It is converting these doubling leases to ones which

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are significantly less expensive and, in the future, will now only

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sell the homes of freehold for the is good news many but will not help

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Lisa and their neighbours. Their leases have been sold on to another

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company. There are plenty of other developers selling homes in this

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way. That is why there are growing calls for action to tackle this

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right across the industry. Well, we had a huge response

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to that item last week, with lots of frustrated homeowners

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getting in touch. And I'm joined now by Paula Higgins

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from the campaign and advice group Clearly, we've touched a nerve on

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this. Leasehold has been around for a long time and it is justifiable if

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you are buying a flat and need to share costs. There is no reason for

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this with houses. The only reason this to make money out of it. And

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making a lot and increasing amounts judging by what we saw. Yes. Rights

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are not there. People are not aware of one of the biggest problems is

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when people buy a leasehold home and they think they can buy the

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freehold, they find it has been sold to someone else who is looking to

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make as much money as possible. Does the small print save the owner of

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the freehold has the right to up the amount they will charge? It is set

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in the lease. It will say if it is a doubling of ground rent or whatever.

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The owner of the freehold can charge extra charges for things. ?100 to

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put in a request or something like that. That is where people get

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stuck. With a freehold home you can be charged thousands to convert an

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extension or a room. What happens if your developer sells up to someone

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else? That is where it is difficult. If you have a leasehold flat you

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have the first right to refuse, you have the right to buy the freehold.

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That does not happen with leasehold houses. The law needs to be changed.

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At some point you said people should look out for themselves make sure

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they read the small print. Should they be taking specialist advice

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before they agree to sign on the line? People should not rely on

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this. They should get an independent solicitor. That might be why some

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people have the problem they do today. It is a big purchase and they

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might regret it later on if they get it wrong. Thank you very much

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indeed. Good advice. I am sure people will be taking that.

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Well, a lot of people are using the word scandal

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We'll keep you posted on what happens.

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Next today though, we've the consumer confessions

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Today it's the turn of a face you'll normally see on the Breakfast sofa.

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But as you'll hear, she has another string to her bow.

:38:23.:38:27.

Millions of us are used to waking up to her on the BBC breakfast sofa

:38:28.:38:35.

every morning. France has elected Emmanuel Macron as its next

:38:36.:38:39.

president. As a presenter and journalists, Louise Minchin gets to

:38:40.:38:42.

interview some of the most famous faces in the world. You are tired, a

:38:43.:38:52.

little bit jet-lagged. What you might not know is that she is also a

:38:53.:38:58.

successful triathlete, who has represented Great Britain in the

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World Championships. When it comes to all things consumer, what are her

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top tips? It is great to see you on the set of Breakfast. It is lovely.

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I normally get up at 3:30am. This morning I got up at 3:40am. Getting

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up at that time, do have any energy left for shopping? I do not know how

:39:21.:39:24.

I would cope without the internet foot if I shop online for food,"

:39:25.:39:31.

things my daughter's School, so much time is saved by looking something

:39:32.:39:37.

up and doing it that way. You have worked for a long time on Eat you

:39:38.:39:46.

and yours on Radio 4. If you have a complaint with a product, it is

:39:47.:39:55.

worth sticking with it. If you have a problem, chances are someone else

:39:56.:39:59.

has as well. We were offered compensation after we have problems

:40:00.:40:02.

with a holiday for that this is what they offered us. Where we happy? We

:40:03.:40:07.

went back to them and had a negotiation. It can be brave to do

:40:08.:40:13.

that and say, if you are not happy, put your hand up and say something.

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You are someone who likes a bargain as well. Money was quite tight, so I

:40:19.:40:27.

was always looking for a bargain. If the bicycle cost ?200 and this cost

:40:28.:40:32.

50 and has two wheels and this has two Mo wheels, I would buy the one

:40:33.:40:41.

at 50. I will always look at price will do in the supermarket I would

:40:42.:40:48.

think, this loo paper is ?1.19 and this is ?1.08, I will have that one.

:40:49.:40:52.

I just think every pound in every penny, it all matters. It does.

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Thank you a much indeed. I am with her on that point of choice. She

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represented the country, represented Great Britain. Talking of superfit,

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we are joined by two superfit gentleman.

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Lily asks if paying with a debit card has the same cover as paying

:41:28.:41:36.

with a credit card? It is often recommended to pay with a credit

:41:37.:41:39.

card when booking a holiday but debit cards are free. We know that

:41:40.:41:44.

paying a fee can sometimes be off-putting. Paying with a credit

:41:45.:41:47.

card does provide you with extra protection than direct debit. Our

:41:48.:41:52.

advice would be comic use both of them rather than using bank

:41:53.:41:59.

transfers. There you have no protection at all. If you ask land,

:42:00.:42:04.

you will lose out. Using a credit card will provide you with some

:42:05.:42:08.

extra rejection. It is wise when you are making a big purchase. Alison

:42:09.:42:15.

was listening to the conversation we were having earlier about delayed

:42:16.:42:20.

flights will. She said she was on a delayed flight, over five hours. The

:42:21.:42:25.

airline agreed to pay compensation. She was told she would get the money

:42:26.:42:30.

in 14 days but a month later she has not got anything. I would write a

:42:31.:42:36.

friendly letter saying if she does not here in seven days, it she will

:42:37.:42:42.

be asking her solicitor. I did not make it absolutely clear the airline

:42:43.:42:45.

does not always have to pay out if it is something like a security

:42:46.:42:49.

alert which closed Leeds Bradford Airport or strikes or whether, they

:42:50.:42:53.

do not have to pay but they do have to look after your provide you with

:42:54.:42:57.

meals and, if necessary, accommodation to get you to a need

:42:58.:43:02.

to be. If fraudsters are trying to steal money from your accounts, why

:43:03.:43:07.

can't banks direct police to the fraudsters? That is a really good

:43:08.:43:12.

question. I think bank should be doing more about this. As I said

:43:13.:43:17.

earlier, if you pay by credit card or debit card to a scammer, you can

:43:18.:43:25.

get your money back. Thank you for coming in again to

:43:26.:43:32.

raise dash today. But we'll be here again tomorrow

:43:33.:43:39.

when we'll be looking at the dramatic rise

:43:40.:43:41.

in pension fraud. We'll hear how the money some people

:43:42.:43:43.

had saved for years has And we'll have advice to stop

:43:44.:43:46.

the same thing happening to you. Plus, are those smart meters we're

:43:47.:43:50.

all being told to install quite

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