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We asked you, who has left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
when it comes to your holidays? | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
And you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
A holiday is supposed to be a time of relaxing, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
not a time of more stress, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
and certainly not a time of stress whilst you're away. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
It's just annoying that you think, "What next? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
"What are they going to put a charge on next?" | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
So, whether it is a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Hello and welcome to another episode of Rip-Off Britain | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
from the island of Tenerife, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
where we're investigating what's gone wrong with your holidays. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Well, like millions of people every year, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
we, of course, flew to get here, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
but we know from all your e-mails and letters | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
that it isn't always plain sailing when you take to the skies. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Anything but, in fact. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
Today, we're going to be hearing some really very good reasons | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
why even the most seasoned travellers amongst us | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
can, from time to time, get into a bit of a flap about flying. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
And, of course, that means we're going to have | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
everything you need to know to make sure that the same problems | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
aren't going to happen to you. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
So, whether you've fallen foul of an airline's particular policies, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
or perhaps you just hate the idea of being 35,000 feet up in the air, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
we'll have some useful advice for you, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
so the next time you're on a flight, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
your mood and your temper can at least stay firmly grounded. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Coming up, the parents separated from their children on flights | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
despite paying a premium to guarantee they would sit together. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
It was really dreadful as a mum | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
to not be with your children | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
and to be able to, like, protect them and look after them. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Jake, he's only two years old. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Him being with strangers on that flight, it was really horrible. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
And a last-ditch attempt to cure a long held fear of flying, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
but does it really work? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
I just need to get onto the plane now, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
cos we've been now talking about it since this morning. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
I just need to go and do it now. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
You know, flying with children is probably not most people's idea | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
of a relaxing start to their holiday. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
For passengers travelling without kids, sitting next to, behind, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
or even worse, in front of someone else's little darling, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
can make a long flight seem even longer. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
And of course, for the parents, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
keeping the young ones still and quiet for hours on end | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
is quite a challenge. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
And things can be even more stressful still | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
if a family can't sit together, which can and does happen. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
In fact, many airlines now suggest | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
that the only way to guarantee sitting next to your own children | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
is to pay in advance to reserve seats together. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
But, you know, that's really not necessary. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Visitor numbers may have dipped in the wake of terror attacks | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and other headline-grabbing events, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
but Turkey remains a firm favourite with British holiday-makers, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
most of them coming for its beautiful coast and beaches. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Among those to go there last summer | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
were Kim Robinson and her husband, Steve. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
They have to be pretty organised when they travel, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
as they've got four children, ranging in ages between two and 14. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
We have been on holiday once before with the children, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
and booking the flights and the seats, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
it's a bit of a military operation, really, ensuring that... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
everything runs smoothly, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
that the children are sat with myself and my husband, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
and everything's organised, ready to go. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
Wow...! | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
Kim booked the family's trip to Turkey five months in advance | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
with holiday company Thomson. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
And, on top of the cost of the flights, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
she paid an additional fee of ?95 | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
to be sure the family could all sit next to one another | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
on both legs of the journey. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
We went away about four, five years ago, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and we paid to book our seats then, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
and we found it just made the whole process much less stressful, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
because as well, we have our youngest child as well now, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
who's only two, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
and because of Emily needing somebody with her, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
we'd felt it would just be a lot less hassle to sit together. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
But when it came to choosing their seats online, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Kim was dismayed to discover that she could only select seats | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
for the flight out, and not the return. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
It seemed really odd that online we could visually select our seats, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
and it gave us our seat numbers, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
and we could do all of that for the flight out to Turkey, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
but when I noticed that there was no flight chartered back from Turkey, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
it seemed really confusing, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
and nobody seemed to be able to tell us why. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Thomson eventually explained that this was because | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
they'd be flying back with a different company, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
the Turkish-owned Pegasus Airlines. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
So the family would need to contact Pegasus | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
in order to confirm their seat bookings for the journey home. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
My husband had tried to contact Pegasus directly, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
but there was quite a serious language barrier, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
and so he then rang Thomson and explained | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
that we couldn't physically speak to Pegasus | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
and it was something that they would have to do. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
We'd paid them the money to reserve the seats, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
and it was up to them to kind of ensure we could do that. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
After more phone calls and visits to their local Thomson branch, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
the company rang the couple back, and told them that, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
though they couldn't choose their Pegasus seats in advance, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
they would be able to sit together. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
The fact that we'd actually paid to select our seats was irritating, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
but I was willing to accept that I couldn't select my seats | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
on the basis, that as a family, we would be sat together. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
Reassured by this, the family thought little more about it | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
until the end of their holiday, that is, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
when the time came for them to check in | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
for their Pegasus return flight at Dalaman Airport. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
When they were issued with their actual seat reservations, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
their worst fears were realised. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
It became very clear that we were sat not even near each other, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
we were sat at complete opposite ends of the aircraft. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
And so, at this point, my husband became very distressed and he said, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
"There is no way we're getting on that plane | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
"unless we are sat together." | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
The airport staff assured them | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
that the issue would be sorted out on the plane. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
However, when they boarded, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
they were told to sit in their allocated seats by the stewards. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
In a crowded plane and with their children dotted across it, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
the couple were powerless to do anything | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
while people continued to cram onto the aircraft. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
I was actually sat in that seat in tears, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
and I couldn't understand that, as a 32-year-old mother of four, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
I was sat crying, and nobody was willing to help me. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
I worried about all the children on the plane, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
but predominantly Jake and Emily. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
Jake, because he's only two years old, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
him being with strangers on that flight was quite a concern of mine. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
And Emily, she was tired and I wasn't sure how she would react | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
being around strangers, and on the flight, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
she was quite worried about taking off and landing as well, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
so it was really dreadful, as a mum, to not be with your children | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
and to be able to protect them and look after them on that flight. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
It was... It was really horrible. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Finally, Kim's husband, Steve, stood up | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
and tried to explain the situation to the flight attendants. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
But when they seemed unwilling to help, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Steve had to resort to asking if any of their fellow passengers | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
would be willing to swap their seats. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Luckily, three strangers on board did volunteer to help, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
so the younger children at least wouldn't be left alone. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Three people in front very kindly moved, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
so we could move forward and I could sit with Jake and Ollie on takeoff, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
and then after that we moved around a bit | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
so we could both take it in turns to sit with Jake, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
while having Ollie and Alfie near us | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
and Emily just a bit further down the plane in front, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
but she could swap if needed. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
The relief was immense, cos I could at least see my children | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
and I could hold Ollie's hand and be with Jake. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
That was a relief. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
But I still felt bad that I'd asked somebody on their holiday, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
coming back from their holiday, to move. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
I felt bad that they'd had to move. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Um, I felt absolutely desolate that nobody had helped me, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
that none of the air stewardesses, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
air stewards or anything had offered to intervene or help | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
or do anything at all. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
Months after the incident, Kim and Steve remain upset at what happened, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
especially as the extra money they'd paid at the beginning | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
was supposed to guarantee they could sit together. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
When I reflect back upon what happened, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
it still makes me more sad than angry, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
more upset that myself and my children and my husband | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
were put in that position, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
that we'd paid for a service we didn't receive, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
that we didn't receive any satisfactory feedback | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
for what happened. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
And it has put me off flying again. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
Well, when we contacted the airlines involved, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Thomson told us it was really sorry to hear of the family's experience, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
and is looking into what happened with its partner airline... | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
It reiterated that, as the return journey was not on its own airline, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
pre-booked seats weren't available, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
so it's refunded the seat selection fee the family paid. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
For its part, Pegasus Airlines insisted | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
that, as the flight had been chartered by Thomson, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
all sales, ticketing and reservations | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
were Thomson's responsibility. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
It went on to say that its charter flight seats | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
are allocated during check-in according to availability, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
and that, as Kim and Steve were some of the last people to check in, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
staff offered them the best seats they could. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
It added that, once on board, as other passengers will also | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
want to sit with the people in their group, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
all that cabin crew can do is politely speak to other guests | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
and try to assist as best as possible, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
as they did on this occasion. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Now, you might think it would be a no-brainer | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
that young children are seated with their family on flights. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
But there's no legal requirement for that to happen. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
The Civil Aviation Authority says it should be the aim of airlines | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
to put children close to their parents or guardians | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
in order to ensure access, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
and passengers' safety in an emergency. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
However, it does also say - | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
and this is a really useful fact to remember - | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
that no plane is allowed to take off | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
if a child is separated from an accompanying adult | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
by more than one row. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Even so, an increasing number of airlines | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
now tell parents that the only way they can guarantee | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
that they'll sit with their children is by paying extra | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
to pre-book seats, and depending on the airline, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
that can cost anything between ?8 and ?65. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
But, as Kim's experience shows, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
even then you might not get what you paid for. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
But our resident travel expert, Simon Calder, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
feels very strongly about this issue, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
and says passengers should be confident of their rights | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
when booking flights as a family. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Airlines know full well | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
that they have to sit families in close proximity. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Any airline that pretends that it can't do, that it won't do, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
that you have to pay, is frankly telling porkies. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
They must make sure that parents and children | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
are sat close to each other, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
and the plane isn't going anywhere until they do. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Our travel expert, Simon Calder, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
has all the secrets to save you money on your travels. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
He's full of tips on everything from how to avoid the crowds | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
to the best way to steer clear of those tourist traps. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
Today, he's identifying once-in-a-lifetime trips | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
that are perfect if money isn't an issue. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Sometimes, you have to mark a big event - | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
a wedding, an anniversary, a special birthday - | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
with a big, no-expenses-spared trip. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
So what's the best choice when you want to splash out? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Where can you get the biggest bang for your hard-earned bucks? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
I've got three very different options. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Antarctica is the destination of choice | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
for people who want to go to the very end of the earth. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
But to make your experience of the frozen continent truly memorable, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
plan wisely. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
Simon recommends choosing an expedition vessel | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
with no more than 200 passengers. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
Most ships leave from Ushuaia, at the southern tip of Argentina, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
and it'll take two days of buffeting across the Drake Passage | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
to reach Antarctica, as part of a ten-day expedition | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
that typically costs from around ?4,000. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
But if all that sounds a bit too adventurous, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
then Simon has a more traditionally glamorous suggestion. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
The Venice-Simplon Orient Express is a collection of antique carriages | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
that mostly shuttles between Calais and Venice via Paris. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
It has a connection from London which goes as far as Folkestone, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
where you can get on a coach to drive onto a Eurotunnel train. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
But if you really want to push the boat out, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Simon has a far more luxurious proposition. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
So, instead, here's my prescription. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Fly to Venice, Marco Polo Airport, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
and take a water taxi to a 5-star hotel | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
for the most indulgent night of your life. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Then, next day, head for the station, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
where the train is waiting for an 11am departure, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
and gives you an afternoon of fantastic views | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
all the way to Innsbruck and beyond. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
For the final part of the trip, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
you can snooze through eastern France and wake up in Paris. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
And while everyone else waits for the engine to be changed | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
for the rather laborious journey to London... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
You can indulge in a perfect Parisian breakfast, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
then check out the latest exhibition, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
do a little light shopping, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
and return to London at high speed in the posh seats on Eurostar, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
saving time and money. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Not that you're counting! | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
Now, either of these trips would cost a small fortune | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
but the ultimate indulgence - if money really is no object - | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
would be to hire a private island, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
like Ilha Grande close to Rio de Janeiro. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
A week here costs not far off ?10,000. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Treasure the island, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
but then escape to explore the superb coast of Brazil. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Then have a grand day out in Rio, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
before your overnight flight back to Britain, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
in a flat bed in business class, of course. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
And even with some serious shopping and dining, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
you should still have change out of ?50,000 | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
for the trip of a lifetime for all of you. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Once the preserve of only the rich, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
over recent decades, air travel has become so commonplace | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
that up to three billion of us take to the skies every single year. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
But, you know, it's reckoned that around a quarter of us | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
are, in varying degrees, actually afraid of flying, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
making British travellers the most fearful in Europe. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
So several of the airlines run courses | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
that are designed to overcome the fear of flying | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
once and for all. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
And, to see if they actually work, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
we went along with a particularly nervous flyer, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
as she gave one of them a try. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
For thousands of years, humans have had a fascination with flying, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
and initially at least, our attempts to get airborne | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
had very mixed results! | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Though we have now got the hang of it, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
and plane journeys have become statistically | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
the absolute safest way to travel. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
For many passengers, though, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
the very thought of flying can send them into a spin. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Natalie Pearce from Oxfordshire is one. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
Her fear of flying began 20 years ago, over 30,000 feet in the air. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
At the end of the '90s, when we were flying back from Tenerife, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
we experienced a bit of turbulence | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and then we hit what I thought was an air pocket, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
where it feels like you're dropping out of the sky. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Um... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
Only lasted seconds, but felt like hours. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Now, even contemplating a plane journey | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
has Natalie racked with fear and anxiety. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
I think as I have got older | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
and probably since I've had the children, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
I've always thought more of the safety aspect as well. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
If I hear any noises when I'm on the plane, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
I then get worried as to what they are. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
Or that the wings aren't working properly. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Natalie's concerned that things have got so bad | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
it's limiting not only her view of the world, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
but also her children's. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
It has obviously restricted where we can go to, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
and we probably don't go away as much as perhaps I used to. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
There's so much to see out there, you know, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
that we're not seeing because we're so limited | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
as to where we can go and what we can do. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
At present, the only way she can board an aircraft | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
is after taking prescription medication, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and even then, her fears don't disappear completely. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
I've had to, in the past, take prescribed medication | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
to enable me to get onto a plane. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
I have a partner that's very understanding, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
that allows me to grip hold of his hand very tightly, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
and also talk to me while we're on the flight about what's happening | 0:17:14 | 0:17:20 | |
and to try and calm me down. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
So I have got slightly better, like I say, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
him supporting me and talking to me, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
but I'm still a long way off being OK about flying! | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
And that's all come to a head since Natalie's father moved to Cyprus. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
She knows that unless she can conquer her fear of flying, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
she and her children are unlikely to ever visit him in his new home. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
Oh, wow, look, that looks amazing, Imogen, doesn't it? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
I would love to go to Cyprus to see my dad, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
and obviously for the children to go out there and see their grandad. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
He moved out there 18 months ago. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
He still comes back here, but it'd be lovely... | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Even though we've seen pictures of his place in Cyprus, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
it would be lovely to actually go out there | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
and stay with him for a while. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
A fear of flying, sometimes called aviophobia, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
can lead to a rapid heartbeat, shortness of breath, trembling, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
and tightening of the stomach muscles, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
along with an overwhelming desire to escape the situation. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
But though Natalie's tried various medications, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and alternative therapies to beat it, none have worked. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
So now, after years of trying to pluck up the courage, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
she's ready to try one of the courses | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
that airlines run to tackle the problem head-on. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
I really want to overcome my fear, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I also want to know why things are making certain noises. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
I would like to know sometimes what the speak is on the tannoys | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
between the pilots and the air hostesses, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
cos sometimes that panics me a bit, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
I think they're speaking in a secret code | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
to say there's a problem with the plane. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
So just have a greater understanding of the whole thing. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
We're going to accompany Natalie on a daylong course | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
with Virgin Atlantic, bought for her by her mother at a cost of ?267. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
It is a last, desperate attempt to get herself airborne. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
Though the course claims a 98% success rate, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
there's no guarantee that it will work, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
and as she heads to the airport, ready to begin, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
all she can think of are the downsides to flying. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
Getting off the plane at the end | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
is the only thing I like. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
There's absolutely nothing else about flying that I like at all. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
It can have a physical effect on me, as in I can get an upset stomach, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
and, like I say, I get very anxious about it, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
and I can feel nauseous as well. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Richard Conway is the co-founder of this particular course, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and he has first-hand experience | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
of just how debilitating such fear can be. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
I did have a fear of flying. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
My overcoming it showed me so much about how to help other people. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
The programme started with a need for helping nervous flyers, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and we wanted to do this and really change people's lives in one day, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
which is what we do. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
Of course, a fear of flying is also bad news for airlines like Virgin, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
so it's in their interest | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
to get anxious passengers back into the sky. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
The latest research that we have our hands on is from 2012, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
and it shows at least 30% of the population | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
have a fear of flying of some sort, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
and that can be from the mildly anxious to the utterly terrified. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
So there's a need. I have to say that our dream would be | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
for no-one to be booking the courses. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
The course is delivered in two parts, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
kicking off with a session in the classroom, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
and then the real deal up in the air. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
But even waiting to go into the classroom | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
has pushed Natalie's anxiety levels sky-high. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
I'm getting a bit more anxious. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
I was just speaking to someone | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
who I presume is running a bit of the course, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
I don't know what part he's doing, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
but he was asking me about my fears and how it started, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
and it was just making me a bit more stressful and anxious | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
in reiterating what my fears are, so I don't know, we shall see. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
But then the course gets underway, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
with the tutors trying to erase years of fear and panic. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
We see between 2,000 and 3,000 people every single year. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
How many people drove here today? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
How many people were passengers when they came here today? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
The car was serviced this morning, the engineers had looked at it | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
and checked it over completely and signed it off? Yes? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
LAUGHTER No? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
All of these things that revolved around incidents and accidents, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
the lessons learned are, trust the systems, cos the systems work. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Incidents involving aircraft are so rare, they always make headlines. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
So, with the tutors confident | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
that they've helped the group rationalise their fears | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
and understand that the risks of flying are relatively low, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
the classroom part of the day is over, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
and it's time to put into practice | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
everything they've learned on the ground. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
I've just realised quite how irrational some of my fears were, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
but then you're only going to overcome those | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
by having pilots or other people telling you, isn't it? | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Steady as a rock, I fly with that hand! | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
THEY LAUGH Just as they look at us! | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
Oh, hang on. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
But as they head off to the aircraft, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Natalie has fresh concerns about whether what she's been taught | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
will still seem reasonable when it's time to take off. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
I think I'm going to be better once I'm actually on the plane - | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
it's just the apprehension, isn't it, of the unknown almost? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
But if she can keep calm and get on board, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
this could be a major breakthrough. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
We're going to go through security check in a minute... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
..to then board the plane. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
I just need to get on to the plane now. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
Cos we've been now talking about it since this morning, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
I just need to go and do it now. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
This is the first time in 19 years that Natalie has boarded an aircraft | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
without the support of medication, and it's not easy. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
READER BEEPS | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
That's perfect, that's going to be straight on board, OK? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. Right, so here we go. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Alongside around 130 other fearful flyers, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Natalie finally gets on board. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
61. G - just go straight over, turn right. Thank you. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
As she tries her best to settle in, the safety briefing begins. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
So we're now going to explain the safety equipment procedures | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
for this 787-9 aircraft. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
You share responsibility with us for your safety, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
so please remove any headsets and pay careful attention. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
And the pilots do their best to reassure their nervous passengers. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
We worked out we've got 120 years' worth | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
of aviation experience between us. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Before they know it, it's time for takeoff. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
And, once up in the air, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Natalie amazes herself by managing to leave her seat. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
For the first time, she's beginning to get a real sense of flying | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
without her usual nervousness. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
It's true what the trainers said, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
because I'm not very good with heights, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
but actually this isn't causing me a problem, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
looking out the window at the view. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
It is amazing to see all the clouds and things... | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
..and then see the view below them. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Other airlines, including British Airways and easyJet, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
also run courses very similar to this one, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
with hundreds of people taking them every month. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
OK, we've just commenced a turn to the left-hand side, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
heading down towards Southampton and the Isle of Wight. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
It's 30 minutes into the flight, and Natalie's confidence is growing. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Yeah, I'm feeling quite relaxed, actually, I'm not too bad. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
The overall success rate on today's course was around 99%, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
with only one passenger not managing to take the flight, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
and Natalie's astonished at the difference | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
between how she feels now, and how she's felt on planes in the past. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
I wouldn't say I love it. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
I did enjoy it, which is a major improvement. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
And, once she comes back down to earth, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
she has high hopes for the future. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
I feel it's really worked. I enjoyed the flight. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
I'd say the landing and takeoff not as much, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
but they weren't as bad as I've experienced before, that's for sure. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
If you have got a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
then get in touch with us via our Facebook page... | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
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..or e-mail us at... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
..or, if you want to send us a letter, then our new address is... | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
Well, you often tell us how frustrating | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
you find the different policies of individual airlines, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and one of your biggest bugbears has long been the charges | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
for designated or guaranteed seats. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
But I honestly never thought I'd see the sort of problems | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
for families as we've seen today. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Now, this is only my opinion, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
but I find it very hard to justify why you should have to pay extra | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
to be sure that you can sit by your own child. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
And I don't think you're on your own with that one, Gloria, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
because I'm sure an awful lot of people will agree with you. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
But, on a more positive note, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
wasn't it absolutely great to see how Natalie ended up | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
so much more confident about getting on a plane? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
The world is now her oyster, | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
so we all hope that she enjoys every minute of exploring it. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
In the meantime, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
do remember that if you've had an issue with a flight or an airline, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
then do let us know about it. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
We really would like to hear from you. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
I'm sure this is a topic we'll be returning to again, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
but all your e-mails and letters help us identify the issues | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
that most matter to you, so do please keep them coming. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
For now, though, this particular takeoff is definitely on time, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
so from the three of us, it's goodbye. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
BOTH: Bye-bye. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:27 |