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We asked you to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off.

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I think this is very, very, very wrong for what they've done.

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The bank piles charges upon charges upon charges.

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Legally, it was right.

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Morally, that's where the question of doubt comes, in my view.

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And you contacted us in your thousands

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by post, e-mail, even stopping us in the streets.

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And the message couldn't be clearer.

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You don't always get a straight answer, they try to fob you off.

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Not happy with them.

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There's always that small print with the clause in

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that you didn't realise.

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We're being ripped off, big time.

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Whether it's a deliberate rip-off,

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a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions, go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that battles on your behalf

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to sort out your complaints and tries to make sure

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no one is taking advantage of you or your money.

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Today, we've the big six very firmly in our sights.

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That's right, I'm talking about

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the UK's main gas and electricity providers.

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Because if there's one cost on all our minds this winter,

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it is our ever-soaring energy bills.

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Never have they been higher or, indeed, more confusing.

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You're so right, Gloria,

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because the energy companies are saying that

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they had no choice but to hike their prices.

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But is that true? Or are they just ripping us off?

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With so many of you feeling

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as if you are at the mercy of these companies,

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today's programme is getting answers

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on a topic that really does affect every one of us,

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and making sure you don't become a casualty of the energy price war.

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We set up our very own pop-up shop,

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where you came in and told us your consumer concerns.

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I'm impressed you turned up early so you're first in line.

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We've got a couple of people from Trading Standards...

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I hope there will be somebody in there who can ease your mind

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and point you in the right direction.

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And, thinking of making your house more energy efficient?

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Well, don't do anything before hearing what happened to

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this Rip-Off Britain viewer.

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It was supposed to make my house warmer, healthier, more efficient,

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and it's done exactly the opposite.

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Also coming up, we ask Energy Secretary Chris Huhne

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exactly what he will do to bring down our bills.

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In the last few months,

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all the big six energy companies have announced price hikes

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of an average of 16% for electricity and 19% for gas.

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That's a major squeeze on our wallets.

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But even now, you can still save money by switching supplier.

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In fact, according to figures from the comparison site uSwitch,

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if all UK households moved onto the best-possible deal,

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the country could collectively save a staggering £3.2 billion

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on its energy bills.

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But where to start? With over 300 different tariffs available,

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it's not easy to work out how much you'd be paying.

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The higher cost of our energy bills this winter is something

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that affects all of us.

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No wonder everyone we asked about it had an opinion,

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and they didn't hold back.

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I think the recent rises in gas and electricity prices are atrocious.

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They're absolutely ripping off consumers all over Britain.

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Putting it up in the summer, you don't notice it as much,

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because you're not really using much gas, but, in the winter,

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you think twice before leaving it on all day

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when you're out of the house.

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One utility increases their prices, and a week or two later

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another one follows, irrespective of whether they need to or not.

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Patricia Fazakerley got in touch

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with an opinion that an awful lot of you share.

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When it comes to her energy bills, she's utterly baffled.

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I contacted Rip-Off Britain because a cold-call salesman came to the door,

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and he absolutely mesmerised me.

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The spiel he gave me was ohms and units and megahertz and things,

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and he peppered me with statistics.

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I had to shut the door, because my head was in a whirl.

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I came in here, looked at one of my bills

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and I thought, "I don't understand all this,

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"what he's been going on about."

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Patricia had no idea whether she had been offered a good deal,

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or how to compare what she was told with any other rates on the market.

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I would have changed tariffs

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if I'd have understood the tables within my bills,

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but I didn't understand what he was going on about,

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and he tried to say he was the cheapest, but I've no way of knowing.

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Her experience is typical.

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Patricia used to be a cashier trainer,

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so she's pretty number savvy,

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but when it comes to the figures in her bills, she's lost.

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The format, the layout of electric and gas bills,

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they've all got their own way of doing it,

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so therefore it is hard to tell which is the cheapest.

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Of course, the energy companies don't agree.

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Energy UK, who represent them, accept there's a lot of information

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they're required to include on bills,

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but insists the industry is working hard

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to make them as clear as possible,

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and that customers do get an annual statement with all the key details.

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They say there's a lot of choice in the energy market,

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and they listen hard to what consumers are saying.

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So, let's see if they'll listen to Patricia

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and everyone else who has told us the same thing.

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I believe that every energy company should make it simple

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for every consumer to be able to read an electric or gas bill.

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Therefore, it would be clear to me, and to many other consumers,

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which would be the cheapest tariff to go for.

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So, just how hard is it to understand your energy bills?

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Stay tuned, because later we'll be putting it to the test

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with the current Mastermind champion.

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We'll be putting some of these points

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to the Energy Secretary Chris Huhne later in the programme,

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and asking him what he's going to do about it.

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But we've a lot more of your energy horror stories to hear about first,

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and here's one Rip-Off viewer furious about what happened to them.

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Earlier this year, it emerged

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the National Grid has specifically tested an older type of gas meter

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and found that 88% of those checked were inaccurate.

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As a result, anyone who had one was being overcharged.

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But a meter doesn't have to be old to get it wrong.

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In 2006, Scarborough musician Donald Grayson had

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a new electricity meter fitted

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after joining E.ON's StayWarm tariff.

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He paid £70 a month, which was open to review at the end of each year.

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As the end of his first year approached,

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E.ON told Donald something he didn't like the sound of.

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When my contract was up for renewal, they sent me a letter,

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which said, "You've been identified as a very heavy user of electricity."

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Well, that's bunkum, because everything was the same,

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I hadn't changed anything - not even a new kettle in that time -

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so there was no way I could possibly be using any more electricity.

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He managed to negotiate a more reasonable price rise

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than the one they had suggested,

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but a year later, E.ON once again told him

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he was using very high levels of energy.

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They refused to renew his current deal,

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and he was taken off the StayWarm fixed tariff.

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But as soon as he got the first bills on the new tariff,

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Donald knew something wasn't right.

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The first bills from E.ON were all big bills.

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From December, £400, 300 in January,

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360 odd the next month, something like that,

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and I'm thinking, "These are all big bills,"

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and I'm ringing them up and saying, "These are big bills," sort of thing,

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and then they've come up with an excuse saying,

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"Your meters have not been read, we're just estimating them."

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Well, that's bunkum

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because I've got bills which say on them, actually, "Read by us".

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The others that weren't "read by us" were read by me.

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From then on, Donald kept getting bills he was sure were too high.

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E.ON insisted they were right,

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but by the summer of 2010, enough was enough.

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June was 700 and something, which was diabolical,

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but it wasn't as bad as July,

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and I finished up with £1,300 for a month's electricity.

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Are they pulling my wire?

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Donald suggested there could be a problem with the meter,

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but E.ON wouldn't accept it,

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so he decided to change energy companies.

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And when his new supplier npower checked the meter, they found

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it was running almost 70% faster than it should have been.

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E.ON had been massively overcharging Donald for months,

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so he went back to them to point that out.

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E.ON have made an offer,

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but from my calculations and my working out of the arithmetic,

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they obviously went to a different school - it doesn't add up.

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It just does not add up.

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Donald's disappointed with

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what the company has done to put things right,

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and doesn't think it fully covers

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what he was over-billed. E.ON disagree.

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They told Rip-Off Britain that

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as well as reimbursing what he was overpaid,

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they've also added a...

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..and point out that the Energy Ombudsman has ruled that to be fair.

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They say they're very sorry for the inconvenience and upset

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this matter has caused,

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and blame their failure to inspect the meter on a system error,

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and then Donald changing supplier.

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Donald is frustrated at how long this took to put right,

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but he's now got a new meter, and is much happier with his current bills.

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My electricity bill now is, just with npower, £137.

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So, why couldn't E.ON do it? Why? They just fobbed me off all the time.

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And if they fob me off, there's a lot of old people getting fobbed off.

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So, if you're worried your meter might be faulty,

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perhaps your bills just aren't adding up, and if that's the case,

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here's Greg Shepherd from Utility Watch with more information.

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If you think you have a faulty meter, here are some checks you can do.

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Check your meter readings over a seven-day period.

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Take meter readings on a daily basis at the same time,

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and check them to make sure they're consistent.

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If you think you have a faulty meter

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because you've been receiving larger bills,

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there are a few things to consider.

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Have you been providing actual or estimated readings to your supplier?

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When was the bill period?

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Your usage in the winter is likely to be higher.

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And have you had any more people than normal in the property during this time?

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Here we have a new smart meter.

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These are going to be the next generation of gas and electricity meters.

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Each meter is fitted with a SIM card just like you get in a mobile phone,

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which allows two-way communication between your meter and supplier.

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The Government plan to install these in 27 million homes and businesses over the next 10 years.

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This means the end to estimated bills and meter readings.

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Next, one way many of you have managed to lower your fuel bills

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is by having cavity wall insulation to make it more energy efficient.

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It obviously keeps the heat in, but it can save you well over £100 every year,

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and so far, under the Government's Warm Front scheme,

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almost two million people have qualified for a Government grant

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to help them get better efficiency.

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But here's the warning - before you go ahead,

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you do need to be sure your house is suitable because not all are,

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as one of our viewers was horrified to find out.

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For most homes, cavity wall insulation is a great idea.

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Adding an extra insulating layer between the bricks can really help

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cut heating bills and keep those chills at bay.

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That's certainly why Jane Reid had it done.

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So, on a chilly autumn day here in Cramlington in Northumberland,

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why on earth is she opening all her doors and windows?

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I've got to open as many doors and windows as possible to get some air into the house.

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Jane has lived in her modern home in the village since 1997.

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It was her absolute pride and joy until this happened.

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This is actually mould and mildew

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growing on the tops of the carpet and into the skirting boards.

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My silk curtains are absolutely ruined, and these are my handbags.

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And you can see the mould all over the back of it.

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Warm Front approached me and offered me a grant to get cavity wall insulation put in.

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Unfortunately, it was supposed to make my house warmer, healthier, more efficient,

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and it's done exactly the opposite.

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The walls were filled back in 2006 after a surveyor

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from the Government's Warm Front scheme inspected the house

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and said it was suitable for cavity wall insulation.

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Her loft was insulated in 2007, again through Warm Front.

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They appointed installers to do the job, but after the work was done

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Jane started noticing mould and mildew on her clothes.

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At that time, I thought that it must be structural,

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that the mould had to be coming from damp

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and therefore I got the drains checked, the guttering checked,

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the roof in case there was any water coming in through that.

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But it was none of those. We asked Steve Hodgson,

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from a trade body that represents specialists in instillation, to take a look.

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DOOR BELL RINGS

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-Morning, Steve.

-How are you?

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He says the trouble has been caused by the fact that,

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without extra work,

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Jane's house simply wasn't right for this type of instillation in the first place.

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When the survey was done, it should've been picked up

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that the building's design meant problems could occur.

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The property has very little or almost no natural ventilation.

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There's no fans,

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no extractors, there's very little opportunity

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for the moisture in the air to escape,

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and what's happened where the insulation has gone in the walls,

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it's warmed up the external walls

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and made some of the internal walls,

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some of the uninsulatable walls, much colder

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and it's attracted that airborne moisture to those walls

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and now you've got the mould growth and mildew growth

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you can see affecting a number of rooms.

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Worryingly, Jane was told by an environmental health officer

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that the mould could even be damaging the family's health.

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What he said had basically happened

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was that my home had been bubble-wrapped

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and so it can't breathe.

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There's nowhere for the air to go,

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and we're breathing in all of those mould spores.

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Jane's bubble-wrapped house is not a one-off.

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Steve says he's seen other people who have gone down the installation route

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only to find it wasn't necessarily suitable for their home.

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Unfortunately, what we're seeing

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is surveyors and specifiers coming out

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and grabbing, if you like, the easy work

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and not really thinking about the building as an individual unit,

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not thinking about where they should apply

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the installation other than just the easy bits.

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Quick, simple, but not always right for a house.

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What you can see is it's wet and soggy...

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In May this year, when she finally realised the connection

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between the mould and installation, Jane complained to Warm Front.

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But six months on, she's still stuck.

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Two inspectors have visited and concluded that issues

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to do with the building's design are related to

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the problems she suffered.

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They didn't acknowledge that was something the original inspection should have spotted,

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and to this day they haven't done anything to put things right.

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When we got in touch with Warm Front,

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they pointed out that, since the year 2000,

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they've helped two million households

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make their homes warmer and more affordable to heat.

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But they agreed that they should have helped Jane more quickly

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and apologised for the inconvenience caused.

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They say, rather than cause the problem,

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the insulation highlighted a pre-existing condition of humidity.

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But they've now identified what action needs to be taken to better ventilate the house,

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and say they'll arrange for the work to be completed as swiftly as possible.

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For Jane, that simply can't come soon enough.

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I actually feel very angry

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that my things that I've worked really hard for have been destroyed.

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You can't replace everything, and it's in pictures,

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it's in clothing, it's in bags,

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it's even in my bedding,

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so all of these things I can't afford to replace.

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My insurance company won't replace

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because the damage has been caused by the cavity wall fill,

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and I'm very upset that nothing has been done about it.

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It seems that Jane is still in limbo, which as you might imagine,

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is extremely frustrating, especially at this time of the year.

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So here's hoping she gets some sort of answer really soon.

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But if your house is suitable, cavity wall insulation

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is one of the best ways to make it more energy efficient.

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You can find out more on how to go about it by contacting the Energy Saving Trust.

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Our website has their details.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain:

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Could your postcode be pushing up your energy bills?

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The good news is because you're living in Yorkshire,

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you're getting the cheapest deal on your energy.

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We've been inundated at our very first pop-up shop,

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where you turned out in your thousands to get free advice from our experts.

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Straight away we can see here that the cheapest tariff

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-for you on the market at the moment would save you £271 a year.

-Wow.

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Earlier on in the programme we heard how confusing many of you find your energy bills,

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working out what you're paying per unit or indeed what tariff you're on,

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I'm afraid, is still a mystery for a lot of people.

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So, if you've ever wondered if you need the brain of Britain to understand what you're paying,

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we thought we'd put that to the test by asking someone who was once the brain of Britain to take a look.

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Dr Ian Bayley has another impressive title,

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he's the current Mastermind champion so all round a very clever chap.

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The question is, is he clever enough to get to the bottom of our baffling bills?

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If you have difficulty understanding your energy bills, you're in very good company.

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Most of us find basic details you'd hope would be easy to find almost impossible to fathom.

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So, that's the challenge we've set to

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the 2011 Mastermind champion, Ian Bayley.

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By the way he's also got a PhD in computer science and a very astute eye for detail.

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But will he be able to answer questions about an energy bill,

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even with the paperwork in front of him?

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Ian Bayley, university senior lecturer, energy bills.

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Can you identify what type of tariff is on that bill?

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I can't see advanced tariff here,

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I can't see beginner's tariff.

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There's a tariff for the first seven kilowatts,

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except, later on the tariff

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seems to be for the first 749 kilowatts.

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BUZZER

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Is there a standing charge?

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Right, well I'd expect to see it in the summary.

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For the gas, it seems to be

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a certain number of kilowatt hours times a certain amount.

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If I had to guess, yes, I do have to guess, don't I?

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If I had to guess, I'd say no.

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BUZZER

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How much energy has been used in this billing period?

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I've got one plus 11 plus 142,

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so that's about 155, 160.

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There's this formula,

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metric units used, calorific value,

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volume correction

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to convert to kilowatt hours and divide by 3.6.

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No, I don't know.

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BUZZER

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Can you find any information

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on whether that bill is estimated or not?

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I can see some information

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about whether it is actual or estimated.

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You see, there are three periods here.

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I'm thinking that,

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if it was actual for the start

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of this block of three periods,

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and actual for the end of this block of three periods,

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then it has not been estimated.

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BEEP

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That's correct.

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There you have it. That's three wrong and just one right answer,

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so with the tough questions over,

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it's clear that Ian is as confused as the rest of us.

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Even looking at those bills, he can't figure them out.

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What's particularly confusing is that there are always two tariffs.

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A tariff for when you've used a certain number of units

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and a tariff before you've used that certain number of units,

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and the changeover point is bound to be different

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for each of these utility companies.

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So you can't possibly do any sort of like-for-like comparison.

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Ian thinks there should be a set pricing structure,

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which all the energy companies should stick to.

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I think all the energy companies should just simplify their pricing structure.

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I am the current Mastermind champion,

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I'm the former brain of Britain, I have a PhD in computer science.

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If I can't work out an energy bill,

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then what hope does everyone else have?

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So, is there a simple way of working out your bills?

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If you want to see if you can better your current energy deal, how do you go about it?

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Consumer Focus have pulled together some tips on how to make the whole thing a lot simpler.

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When you get your energy bill, the most important thing people want to look at

0:23:200:23:24

is how much money they owe their energy company.

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It's sometimes hard to understand how you've built up that amount of money.

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All energy bills will have an explanation of how much energy you've used,

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how much each unit costs, and how that figure has been calculated.

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It's best to look at that and see how much you've used

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and whether it corresponds to your meter reading.

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An energy supplier has to tell you whether your bill is based on

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an actual accurate meter reading or an estimated one.

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If your bill has been based on an estimated meter reading,

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one thing you can do is call your energy supplier and make sure they have an accurate meter reading

0:23:540:23:59

as soon as possible to make sure your bill is based on your consumption.

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If you're elderly or disabled,

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a lot of energy suppliers are on a priority services register,

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which means they'll come out every three months

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and do a meter reading for you.

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If you have a complaint or there's anything you don't understand,

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the first thing to do is phone your energy company.

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They have an obligation to sort out any consumer theory within eight weeks.

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You can also phone Consumer Direct at any time.

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This is a free Government service that you can call to get advice on your energy bills.

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If your energy company fails to sort out the problem in eight weeks,

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you can take your problem to the energy ombudsman

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who can give an independent assessment

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and may even be able to provide you with compensation if they find the energy company is at fault.

0:24:400:24:45

Big companies don't always make things easy to understand,

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and it can be confusing trying to work out just why you haven't ended up with what you expected.

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So, if you feel bogged down,

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we've put together a booklet of tips and advice.

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You can find a link to the free guide on our website.

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Or, to receive a copy in the post, send an A5 self-addressed envelope

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to the address we'll give you at the end of the programme.

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We're at the Trafford Centre in Manchester,

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and for the first time, Rip-Off Britain has opened its very first pop-up shop.

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We've teamed up with BBC Learning to transform this shop unit

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into a one-stop consumer advice shop just for the weekend.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we think it's important for us

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to meet people face-to-face and hear your problems.

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And this is the perfect opportunity to do exactly that.

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Morning! I'm impressed that you turned up early so you're first in line.

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I hope there's someone to give you peace of mind

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-and point you in the right direction.

-Thank you very much.

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We have people from Trading Standards and some other people too,

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so hopefully we'll be able to get a solution for you today.

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-Thanks for coming.

-Thank you.

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Here in the BBC Learning area,

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there's lots of help on hand with numeracy.

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Percentage increases are affecting many budgets, particularly when it comes to our energy bills.

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Consumers have been airing their frustrations

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about the price hikes in specially-constructed our gripe box.

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Hello, I want to speak on behalf of all the rest of the household owners

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regarding the electric and gas bills going so high.

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Don't you find electric bills go up and up and up?

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And then you look in the paper and find out all these electric firms

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are making millions of pounds of profits... For who?

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Lots of the people we've been meeting are concerned.

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-Do you feel you're being ripped off?

-With energy?

-With energy bills.

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With energy bills, yes. They seem to be going up and up.

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What's bothering you?

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I just think the basic price of fuel now, and they talk about things going up themselves, based on fuel.

0:27:070:27:13

Not only are prices rising, they're baffling.

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Consumer Christopher Turner is trying to work out his energy tariff.

0:27:180:27:22

Bills, you need a degree in maths to understand it.

0:27:220:27:24

To start off, the meter shows metric units but they don't charge metric units,

0:27:240:27:30

they charge kilowatt hours so what do they do?

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They take the metric units, multiply that by 39.225,

0:27:330:27:39

I don't know where they get that figure from, to get calorific value.

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It's easy to hide a rip-off here because people don't understand it

0:27:430:27:47

so they don't question it, they just pay the bill.

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When Phil's current energy tariff was coming to an end,

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he came along for some valuable advice from energy expert Scott Byrom.

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I want to know whether to stay on a cap tariff, go on a standard tariff,

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an online tariff, or any other tariff that is available.

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Be aware of what your current energy suppliers can offer you.

0:28:080:28:12

Do you know what it is?

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I think at the moment it's the standard rate plus 5%.

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OK, so the standard rate is all energy suppliers' most expensive product.

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First move, don't accept that.

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Whilst you're here, we could probably get you online,

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do a quick comparison, and find the right product for you.

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-Shall we jump in?

-Yes, please.

-OK.

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Straight away we can see here that the cheapest tariff for you on the market at the moment

0:28:330:28:38

-would save you £271 a year so it is pretty good.

-Wow, yes.

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Quite a healthy saving.

0:28:430:28:45

I can tell you, our pop-up shop was a real eye-opener,

0:28:480:28:51

and undoubtedly the subject that caused the hottest debate of the day

0:28:510:28:55

was undoubtedly the rise and rise in energy bills.

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And one aspect of those soaring costs that seems particularly unfair

0:29:000:29:04

is the way that you're likely to pay more in one part of the country than you will in another

0:29:040:29:08

for what is, let's face it,

0:29:080:29:11

basically identical gas and electricity.

0:29:110:29:13

So, for instance, if you live in North Yorkshire,

0:29:150:29:18

then according to the comparison site uSwitch,

0:29:180:29:20

you've got some of the cheapest fuel packages around,

0:29:200:29:23

but if you live in Bristol,

0:29:230:29:25

then you're probably paying some of the highest prices.

0:29:250:29:29

But why? We visited two parts of the country

0:29:290:29:31

that are caught right in the middle of an energy postcode lottery.

0:29:310:29:36

They've pooh-poohed it, but the regulator Ofgem

0:29:380:29:41

says profits of the big energy companies

0:29:410:29:44

have rocketed in the last six months from £15 per customer to £125.

0:29:440:29:51

That's shocking enough, but it turns out some of you

0:29:510:29:54

may be paying even more for your fuel than you thought, and all because of your postcode.

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This period last year 8.93 kilowatts.

0:30:000:30:04

John and Rowena Langford live in Bristol,

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which according to a recent survey, is the most expensive energy region

0:30:070:30:11

in the UK for people who pay by direct debit.

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They've been loyal customers staying with the supplier for over 40 years.

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But that relationship could soon be over.

0:30:190:30:22

For the first time since 1971,

0:30:220:30:25

The Langford's have decided it's time for change.

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They just don't make it that clear.

0:30:280:30:31

At the moment we pay EDF £55 a month

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and we pay the gas, about £49, I think it is, a month.

0:30:370:30:44

And it's just an awful lot of money.

0:30:440:30:46

The Langford's are among millions of people in the UK

0:30:460:30:49

probably paying more than they need for their energy.

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Switching can still slash up to a quarter from your bills.

0:30:530:30:56

But the fact that they've never done it,

0:30:560:30:59

-coupled with living in an energy price hotspot...

-Hi, Rowena.

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..means they might as well be throwing money down the drain.

0:31:030:31:06

So, to help them sort out their bills, we've brought in Thomas Lyon,

0:31:060:31:09

he's going to have a look at what's available on the market and see if

0:31:090:31:13

switching means they can claw back a bit of that profit for themselves.

0:31:130:31:18

First really easy question, what's your postcode?

0:31:180:31:21

And you pay by monthly direct debit currently

0:31:220:31:24

and you're on standard plans with both suppliers.

0:31:240:31:27

We've had a look at how much you can save

0:31:270:31:30

-and you can save £266 per year which is just over £20 per month.

-Wow!

0:31:300:31:35

-Wowee!

-That's a lot.

0:31:350:31:37

But why should where you live affect how much you pay for your energy?

0:31:370:31:42

Shouldn't we all pay the same?

0:31:420:31:45

Prices do vary regionally.

0:31:450:31:47

A significant proportion of your bill is the cost of,

0:31:470:31:51

for a supplier to distribute the gas and electricity

0:31:510:31:54

and get it to your home.

0:31:540:31:56

They do pass those costs on to you.

0:31:560:31:58

It's really important that you get a comparison of the costs

0:31:580:32:02

you have to pay based on your specific usage and conditions.

0:32:020:32:07

Unfortunately, in the energy industry, often loyalty doesn't pay.

0:32:070:32:12

Many people who are still on the same tariff with the same supplier that they've always been

0:32:120:32:18

are paying probably several hundred pounds more than they need to

0:32:180:32:22

which is really concerning given the cold winter we are about to go into.

0:32:220:32:26

Over 65s and low income consumers are officially the group

0:32:270:32:31

least likely to look into switching online even though they could

0:32:310:32:35

have been most to gain, just like John and Rowena,

0:32:350:32:39

who've now abandoned their loyalty and are about to start saving,

0:32:390:32:42

by moving to a new supplier.

0:32:420:32:46

But if the Langford's are in the part of the country

0:32:460:32:48

paying the most for their gas and electricity,

0:32:480:32:51

who is lucky enough to live in the cheapest energy postcode?

0:32:510:32:55

The Smith family, from Brough, near Hull.

0:32:550:32:58

They benefit from the lowest priced energy in the country.

0:32:580:33:02

A great start.

0:33:020:33:04

But now more than ever they still think they are paying too much.

0:33:040:33:08

Can they bring down their bills more by cutting down on what they use?

0:33:080:33:12

I do go around, especially with Lydia, I go around her room

0:33:120:33:15

and make sure things are off, so, yes, a proper dad.

0:33:150:33:18

Yes, I think we have a culprit here.

0:33:180:33:20

Especially in the morning I have to check the hair straighteners are switched off,

0:33:200:33:24

they are not always.

0:33:240:33:26

-And...

-Lights as well.

0:33:260:33:28

I think we do the obvious but I hope we'll find

0:33:280:33:31

there's even more we can do.

0:33:310:33:32

Well this family sound like they're up for the challenge.

0:33:320:33:35

So we're sending in another helpful expert,

0:33:350:33:38

Denise Hall from the Energy Saving Trust.

0:33:380:33:40

She's going to test the Smiths to the limits.

0:33:400:33:43

To see how they use their energy and she won't pull any punches.

0:33:430:33:47

-Hello, Mrs Smith?

-Hello.

0:33:470:33:49

My name's Denise, I'm your energy adviser for the day.

0:33:490:33:52

-Come on in.

-Thank you very much.

0:33:520:33:53

You may wonder why I'm holding a piggy bank full of money.

0:33:550:33:58

The good news is that because you're living in Yorkshire

0:33:580:34:01

you're getting the cheapest deal on your energy.

0:34:010:34:03

-Excellent.

-So I'm going to give you your piggy bank.

0:34:030:34:06

But we'll have a look around your house.

0:34:060:34:09

We're going to do an energy walk round

0:34:090:34:11

and we'll see what else we can save.

0:34:110:34:14

I suspect I can save you over £200.

0:34:140:34:17

-Wow, OK.

-OK.

-OK.

0:34:170:34:19

So how old is this boiler?

0:34:220:34:24

It came new with the house so that's about 12 years old.

0:34:240:34:28

OK, so, when this boiler needs replacing it would be a good idea

0:34:280:34:31

to go for an A-rated boiler which would be condensing.

0:34:310:34:35

And they use less energy.

0:34:350:34:37

Sp you get more for your money out of your fuel.

0:34:370:34:39

If you had a hot water cylinder the recommended temperature

0:34:390:34:43

for hot water that would be coming out of your taps

0:34:430:34:46

-is 60 degrees centigrade.

-Right.

0:34:460:34:48

So when you turn on your hot water tap, can you put your hand under that water

0:34:480:34:52

or do you, say for instance when you're running a bath,

0:34:520:34:54

do you have to put a lot of cold water in?

0:34:540:34:56

Put a fair bit of cold water in, yes.

0:34:560:34:58

OK, so you might get some savings then by turning your boiler down.

0:34:580:35:02

To alter the temperature of your hot water.

0:35:020:35:05

-OK, good. OK, we'll give that a go.

-OK.

0:35:050:35:07

Denise is on a roll.

0:35:070:35:09

-And so this is your room thermostat?

-It is, yeah.

0:35:090:35:12

For your central heating. What do you normally have that set at?

0:35:120:35:16

-It's usually up near 23, 24.

-OK.

0:35:160:35:19

You're going to save a whopping £120 every year

0:35:190:35:25

just by turning that down to the minimum recommended temperature which is 21.

0:35:250:35:29

-21?

-Yeah.

0:35:290:35:30

OK. We are definitely doing that then.

0:35:300:35:33

And she's not finished yet.

0:35:330:35:35

Did you know that 50% of all our energy is consumed in the kitchen?

0:35:350:35:41

-Oh, really? No.

-Yes.

0:35:410:35:42

If you leave your dishwasher on

0:35:420:35:45

at the end of its cycle it can be using as much as 70% of the energy

0:35:450:35:48

as if it was actually running!

0:35:480:35:50

OK, we keep the fridge extra freezer

0:35:510:35:53

-and the washing machine in the garage.

-OK.

0:35:530:35:57

Washing machines, as with the dishwasher,

0:35:570:36:00

once they've finished their cycle if they're left on standby they can be

0:36:000:36:05

using 20% of the energy as if they are within the cycle.

0:36:050:36:09

Get that switched off at the end of the cycle.

0:36:090:36:11

Wherever you live, shopping around

0:36:110:36:14

and cutting what you use can reduce your bills

0:36:140:36:17

but we're not all as lucky as the Smiths to be in a region where energy already costs less.

0:36:170:36:23

Take on board the tips and make sure the head start that you've been given doesn't get wasted.

0:36:230:36:28

According to uSwitch the average difference in our fuel costs

0:36:300:36:34

because of where we live, is £76, but it can be as high as 180.

0:36:340:36:41

Energy companies say that's because the cost of transporting

0:36:410:36:44

gas and electricity varies according to the distance from the source

0:36:440:36:48

and different network charges apply in different parts of the country.

0:36:480:36:52

But that seems to be another good reason to shop around

0:36:520:36:54

and make sure that what you're paying for your energy

0:36:540:36:58

is the best deal available, wherever you live.

0:36:580:37:02

Well it's clear that the huge hike in energy prices is providing

0:37:020:37:07

the biggest financial headache for most consumers this year.

0:37:070:37:11

Do you think enough is being done

0:37:110:37:13

to bring down the cost of gas and electricity?

0:37:130:37:15

Well let's go and ask the Energy Minister, Chris Hume.

0:37:150:37:19

Minister, not going to beat about the bush,

0:37:220:37:24

there's a big sign at the entrance to this ministry

0:37:240:37:27

which says check, switch, insulate.

0:37:270:37:30

That is a bit of a joke in view of some of the things

0:37:300:37:33

that people have been writing to us about. First of all, check.

0:37:330:37:36

When did you last check your electricity or gas bill

0:37:360:37:40

and when you did, did you understand it?

0:37:400:37:43

About a month ago. Well, actually, I did.

0:37:430:37:45

But I have to say, it's not easy to understand

0:37:450:37:47

and that's exactly why one of the other things which we're doing

0:37:470:37:51

is to try and simplify tariffs with Ofgem.

0:37:510:37:54

We're going to make sure that they are far fewer tariffs.

0:37:540:37:57

The biggest supplier, British Gas, has six.

0:37:570:38:01

That's already rather a lot,

0:38:010:38:03

frankly, for something which is a bog-standard commodity.

0:38:030:38:08

I'm going to stop you there.

0:38:080:38:09

I've seen information which says between the six,

0:38:090:38:13

there are 300 separate tariffs.

0:38:130:38:15

When you're checking to see whether you can have a better price

0:38:150:38:19

with another company, it's impossible to check like with like.

0:38:190:38:23

How will you get them down from 300?

0:38:230:38:25

We've got to simplify and Ofgem have that on the way.

0:38:250:38:29

We'll insist that they get far fewer tariffs,

0:38:290:38:31

that it's much simpler for the consumer

0:38:310:38:34

to understand what's going on, to see which is the better deal and to switch.

0:38:340:38:39

You're right, we've got to make it much simpler

0:38:390:38:42

for the consumer and we will do that.

0:38:420:38:44

At the Liberal Party conference this year you said in your speech

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that you're going to get tough with the big six companies.

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You referred to predatory pricing, saying it must and will stop.

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That kind of thing got you lots of applause at a party conference.

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The public want to know when we'll see the results of that, or was it just rhetoric?

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We're doing that right now.

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I've been in conversations not just since then,

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but a long time before, with Ofgem,

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in order to make sure that we are dealing with any abuses in the sector,

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clamping down on misselling, introducing new powers

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to allow redress to consumers,

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which we will legislate for in the next Energy Bill,

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making sure that it's easier for consumers to compare prices

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by shrinking the number of tariffs, making sure through our electricity

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market reform that we get more people into the market

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so that it's more competitive - good news for consumers.

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All of those things don't happen overnight

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but we're working on those things with as much urgency

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as we can possibly muster right now,

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and I know Ofgem are doing that as well.

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Let me ask one final question, Minister.

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Put yourself in the place of a pensioner,

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of a single mother, of a family on a fixed income,

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facing this cold winter

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a huge bill for electricity and gas which they know they can't meet

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because although the prices have gone up, their incomes

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have stayed level or dropped completely.

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My reaction would be horror. There's no doubt about it,

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if you're in a situation where you suddenly get a very large bill

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which is outside what you can afford, it's extremely distressing

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and obviously, like many MPs, I have people who come to me

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in my surgery every week in my constituency

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and I see them and they're often in that sort of position

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not just with energy bills but with other things as well.

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It's extremely difficult and that's one of the reasons why,

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as a government, we have increased by two-thirds

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the amount of discount which is going to be available,

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particularly to elderly pensioners, in this sort of situation.

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We are helping to tackle fuel poverty

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but I don't want in any way to underestimate the gravity of the problem we have as a country

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still compared with other European countries

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and the number of people who are in real danger for their health

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as a result of this sort of situation.

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We must tackle that. It's an urgent national priority.

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Minister, thank you.

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All the energy companies have said

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they're committed to simplifying bills.

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British Gas have announced they'll have just two tariffs

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and bills will have a full breakdown of costs.

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As for their price rises, the companies all say these were unavoidable

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because of rising costs and higher global gas prices.

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But we'll be looking at energy bills again this series

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and hearing more from the industry itself.

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By any standards around the world,

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this is the most competitive markets for energy.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills?

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Tying to wade through never-ending small print that leaves you totally confused?

0:41:470:41:51

I might have been stupid for not reading it,

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or I've read it and not took it in.

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I could kick myself, I really could.

0:41:560:41:58

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out

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and that "great deal" has ended up costing you money?

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I thought, this cannot be true, it's totally unacceptable. I was so angry.

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You might have a cautionary tale of your own

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and would be happy to share the mistakes that you've made

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with us so others don't do the same.

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No-one knows about this, so this is very, very strange to me,

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and I really would like to get this much clearer.

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You can write to us...

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Or send us an e-mail...

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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Well, even though our gas and electricity bills are so much higher this winter than last,

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do remember, there really is still money to be saved by switching.

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Staying loyal to your energy supplier could mean

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you're paying well over the odds by hundreds of pounds in some cases.

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If you feel like you've had poor customer service from any company you do business with,

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not just the energy ones, then make sure you complain.

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I always say, go right to the top if you have to,

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until you get some decent answers.

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Sometimes that's the only way.

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In the meantime, do keep your letters and e-mails coming in to us

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because we're always delighted to hear from you,

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especially when it means that sharing your experiences with us

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could actually save other people from getting ripped off.

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So, until the next time,

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-from all of us, goodbye.

-Goodbye.

-Goodbye.

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