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I'm not happy at all. It is the small print with the clause in, | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
that you didn't realise. We are being ripped off big time. Whether | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
it is a deliberate rip off, a catch in the small print or a mistake. We | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
will find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
it? Keep asking the questions, go to the top if you have to. We do | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
get results, that is the interesting thing. Your stories, | :00:58. | :01:07. | |
your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. Welcome to Rip-Off Britain, today, | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
as always, we will be challenging the companies that you say have | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
left you feeling short changed. We are here to ask them the tough | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
questions that sometimes you can't. But most of all, to make sure that | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
you are being treated the way you deserve. | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
Absolutely, these are really tough times and who knows, maybe they are | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
about to get worse. So you really do need to know that your cash is | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
working hard for you. Avoiding any suspect schemes, or rip-offs along | :01:31. | :01:39. | |
the way. Every penny counts, and it is frustrating if you get caught | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
out by a charge you didn't expect. We have all been there. It doesn't | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
have to be a huge amount. We know from your letters and e-mails, when | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
you feel ripped off, it is not how much you have lost, it is the | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
principle that matters. That is the case with many of the stories we | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
are investigating today. Also coming up on today's programme. | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
The pricing antics of Britain's best-known comic, why this grandma | :02:01. | :02:10. | |
is boycotting the Beano called gifts. I don't think if something | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
is advertised as a gift you can pay for the privilege. And more | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
problems solved at the Rip-Off Britain one stop shop. Unless you | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
pay by direct debit you have to pay handling charge, I think it is | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
wrong. With all of us paying for more gas and electricity this | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
winter, it is a good idea to try to save money by becoming more energy | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
efficient. Having your old boiler replaced with the shiny new | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
condenser boiler is a great start. There is no instant return, it | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
doesn't come cheap. Imagine the frustration if after you shelled | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
out thousands of pounds to get one, winter strikes and your boiler | :02:48. | :02:56. | |
packs up. It is bound to get you hot under the collar. | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
December 2010, the fiercest cold snap for a century, left us all | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
sheltering in the warmth of our homes. Not everyone was suffering. | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
The UK's biggest domestic energy supplier, British Gas, has reported | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
profits of �742 million. And those profits are a double blow for some | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
British Gas customers. Not only are they facing higher energy bills | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
this year, but thousands of them are now being told they will have | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
to fork out extra to fix a problem with a particular type of boiler, | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
which British Gas sold them. Every year a million people need to | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
replace their boilers. It is now a legal requirement that when you do, | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
you install a condenser-type. These new models may be efficient, | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
they are not always fans of sub zero weather. Breaking down and | :03:46. | :03:53. | |
leading people without heat at the very time they need it more. That | :03:53. | :04:00. | |
is what happened to Jean and Gordon, in 2005 they paid a total of �6,016, | :04:00. | :04:09. | |
to have a Glow worm boiler installed. All was fine when five | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
years ago the boiler threw in the towel. I thought it was a bit cold | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
and felt the radiators, and they should have come on, he said he | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
didn't know. The problem was down to the extreme cold we all felt in | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
December. Temperatures of minus 20 stopped the boiler to stop working, | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
because a small plastic pipe, designed to vent condensation, had | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
frozen and caused the system to break down. An engineer came out | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
and said the pipe would need replacing at a cost of �150. | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
were not happy about that. Because to us, it is a define fault. So | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
whether it is a fault of the manufacturers of the system, or | :04:53. | :05:02. | |
British Gas doing it, it is just not fit for use, really. | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
Not in those circumstances. You can see why they might say that, their | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
broken boiler wasn't a one-off. British Gas has written to 46,000 | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
customers who suffered similar breakdowns last year, advising they | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
now need to fit an extra part so the same thing doesn't happen this | :05:20. | :05:28. | |
year. That can cost between �149- �199. Jean and Gordon are having | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
their's replaced today. This is the pipe up here. That is coming down | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
the wall that goes into the guttering. That is the pipe that is | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
freezing in the winter. They put the boiler in, as far as we knew it | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
was a workable boiler. OK it is six years old, but nobody should give | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
you something that you cannot use fuing time, whether it is hot or | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
cold -- full-time, whether it is hot or cold. Two hours later, here | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
is the new-look winter proof pipe, fitted with a part called a trace | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
element, a hot wire that warms the plastic pipe to stop freezing. The | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
couple are nearly �200 lighter. are not happy about it, because we | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
are paying �199 for it. But, we are just going to hope and pray that it | :06:16. | :06:24. | |
will work for us. If every one of the 120,000 new | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
condenser boilers which British Gas have installed each year since 2005 | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
needed to be upgraded in this way, what they are charging for the new | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
part would bring in over �107 million. Is that just adding to | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
their profits, or does the boiler have a fundamental flaw which they | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
should repair for free. We asked them and they said, no. | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
They told us: it is only during the prolonged freezing weather of the | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
last two years that the problem came to light, to prevent it they | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
now install pipes on the inside wrfrb possible. For outdoor pipes | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
they supply the part that Jean and Gordon had fitted, they do so at | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
cost price, making no profit. The boiler's manufacturers says there | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
is no external fault and saying the pipes worked adequately for five | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
typical winters, and last year's extreme weather affected all | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
manufacturers, not just them, which the industry's trade body has | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
confirmed. But Jean and Gordon are still disappointed that they had to | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
pay. It doesn't feel fair. It doesn't feel right. | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
Now to something generations of us have grown up loving and trusting, | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
the good old Beano. The nation's favourite comic has been making | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
children laugh for over 70 years. The antics off the page prompted | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
this letter from Christine, who regularly buys a copy for her | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
grandson. She wanted an answer to this question: Why does the Beano | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
feel the need to rip off young children and grandparents? The | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
Beano, ripping people off, that would not be funny. We wouldn't | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
resist picking up the challenge on Christine's behalf, but we needed a | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
dictionary to do it. For children the Beano is as much a | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
part of growing up as riding a bike and washing behind your ears. Since | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
the first issue was sold in 1938, the capers of characters like | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
Dennis the menace, and the Bash Street Kids, have made the comic a | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
national institution. One that still sells 37,000 copies every | :08:36. | :08:46. | |
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week. Dennis and Nasher and I like them, they cause drama, the whole | :08:57. | :09:06. | |
of Beano Town is really scared of them. | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
James's grandma, Christine, also has a real soft spot for the Beano, | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
she has been buying it for the best part of 30 years, first for her son, | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
then her grandson. She's pretty keen on it herself. It encourages | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
them to read, because the stories are all short and you can read | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
through them pretty quickly. Of course, it gives them hints and | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
tips on how to be little rascals as well. But Christine wrote to Rip- | :09:35. | :09:43. | |
Off Britain, because she thinks the Beano, just like Dennis and Knasher | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
is up to no good. Christine goes to her local shop to buy the Beano, | :09:47. | :09:56. | |
just as she does every week. She goes to pay the usual price. | :09:56. | :10:06. | |
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Only to find it is a pound more expensive than last week. Christine | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
has noticed every time there is a gift with the Beano the price goes | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
from �1.50 to �2.50. She's pretty miffed about it. I think it is a | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
rip-off, if something is advertised as a gift, you should pay for that | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
privilege. To me a gift is a gift and shouldn't have a cost to it. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
And clearly the Beano do charge an extra �1. The Beano don't actually | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
advertise the supposed gifts as free. Instead using words like | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
"amazing" or simply "gifts". Christine, along with Roger, thinks | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
that is just dodging the issue. you are giving a gift, give a gift, | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
don't try charging your poor customers extra for that privilege. | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
The Oxford egg English Dictionary agrees. It describes a gift as a | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
thing given willingly to someone without payment. So if a gift is | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
something you don't charge for, how can the Beano put the price up | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
every time one is included. Christine wrote to the comic twice | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
to ask. When they didn't respond. She wrote to us. We asked the Beano | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
the name question. They said the cost of producing comics has risen | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
substantially over the last year, while at the same time sales have | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
been declining. To help them compete effectively with rivals, | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
and also attract new readers, they have adopted a flexible pricing | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
policy. Which depends on the overall package presented. They | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
stress they are kaifrt not to say the gifts are free. Pointing out | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
there is an additional cost to them as well as to the readers. Because | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
these issues cost more to produce. They say research and sales have | :11:50. | :11:58. | |
shown most readers like the gifts. Five for minutes and I want you in. | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
Christine thinks the Beano should forget all about gifts and | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
concentrate on what it has been doing so well for years, making a | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
magazine that children love. I will buy it at its normal retail price, | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
because it is, at that price, fairly good value for money. And it | :12:17. | :12:26. | |
does keep him occupied in the back of the car, in his bedroom. I will | :12:26. | :12:34. | |
not buy it at the inflated price with amazing gifts for � 2.50. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
James will get the magazine some of the time, good for him, but not for | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
the rest of the family. Beano is a very good way of thinking of stuff | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
to menace about. It gives you ideas to what you could do to your | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
parents when they are asleep, like draw moustaches on them, with | :12:53. | :13:03. | |
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marker. Have you ever done that? but I'm going to try it! Before you | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
get seduced by any sort of offer, whether a gift, a buy-one-get-one- | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
free, or a three-for-two, James from the Office of Fair Trading has | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
really good advice to help you decide if what you are getting is | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
as good as it teams. The OFT was interested in how pricing practices | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
used by retailers can influence purchasing decisions made by | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
consumers. What we found is the presentation of the prices is often | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
as important as the prices themselves. We looked at reference | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
pricing, where a price is presented as being relative to another price, | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
such as was �50, now �20. What we found is consumers often perceived | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
the product to be much better value when it is put in the context of a | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
higher reference price, even if that reference price had never been | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
charged at all for the product. Another pricing practice we looked | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
at were time-limited offers, such as must end today, or this bank | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
holiday we found these are particularly powerful, it prevents | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
consumers from shopping around. Without shopping around it is | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
difficult to know whether you are getting a good deal or not. We also | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
looked at deals like, buy-one-get- one-free, or three-for-two. We | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
found this makes it difficult for consumers to understand the value | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
of the product they are getting. Particularly where the | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
circumstances are that the product is routinely offered in that way. | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
All of the different pricing practices can result in an | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
information overload for consumers, that is particularly harmful where | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
they are being manipulated in such a way, that they use prices that | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
may or may not have been used as a sales price at some point in the | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
past. The way to combat that is be aware the pricing practices are | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
used, to shop around and not purchase anything until you are | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
confident you are getting a good deal. | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
There can't be too many of us who haven't, at some point or another, | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
received letters in the post promising the chance to win big | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
cashes, in return for fining up for something or taking out a | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
subscription. What are the chances of actually winning? Here is one | :15:10. | :15:19. | |
Rip Off viewer who has been waiting for his prize for quite a long time. | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Reader's Digest is something of an institution, it was published in | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
1958, and established itself as a family magazine, and a trusted | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
brand. 3 years later, it is still a popular read. Enjoyed by some 70 | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
million people worldwide. One big fan is Roy, an 87-year-old war | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
veteran, and Military Cross holder. He's been a subscriber of the | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
magazine for years, he also loves its regular book offers. I decided | :15:50. | :15:57. | |
I would buy books from Reader's Digest and build up a reasonable | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
library of interesting books. A good plane are about the war years, | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
because that's -- many are about the war years, that is something I | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
was interested in, having been involved myself. So this is how I | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
built up the collection. Which I hope will benefit my children and | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
also my grandchildren in due course. But when Roy orders his books, he | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
also receives letters from the company, offering him the chance to | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
take part in regular prize draws. They send a catalogue of books, | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
then they say if you choose one book or two books out of the | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
selection, you will enter for a prize that might be worth �10,000- | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
�15,000, something of that sort. And for Roy's daughter, Anne, it is | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
those prize draw letters that are causing concern. She says the | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
language used in them has left her father convinced that the more | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
books he buys, the better his chances of winning a prize. As a | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
result, in the last five years, she estimates he has spent around | :17:04. | :17:11. | |
�2,000. Some of the letters make it plain that he doesn't have to say | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
yes to win a prize, but they then subsequently have gone on to say, | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
if you do say yes, you will get an extra prize, or there will be an | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
extra bonus for you. They give the impression, I think, that your | :17:23. | :17:30. | |
chances of winning are very, very good. "To claim your �30,000 | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
opportunity, simply browse through the enclosed catalogue now." Then | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
it says, "to order one or mo products and ensure your | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
opportunity to win the �30,000 customer reward prize, complete | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
your joint confirmation certificate." Well if that doesn't | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
sound like you have to buy something to win a prize, I don't | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
know what does, frankly. Roy has bought dozens of books over the | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
years, and entered many of the draws, but so far he has yet to | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
scoop the big prize. Having recently been told he's down to the | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
final stages in one draw, he's convinced that the �100,000 prize | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
really could be coming his way. In fact, he is so hopeful he asked us | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
not to use his surname, to make sure that his future chances won't | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
be scuppered. I don't know the number of people in the draw, but | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
I'm assuming it is probably two or three in the final stages. You | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
don't get a letter from the liaison officer for winners, unless there | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
is something in the offing. So I interpret that accordingly. I feel | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
he may be in for a disappointment. I feel it is cruel. If he really | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
isn't close to winning the big prize, I don't think these people | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
should be writing him letters which make him think he is. I think | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
that's wrong. Chances are, those letters are | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
going to many more people than Roy realises. And Anne believes, if | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
customers like her dad, knew their real chances of winning, they would | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
feel differently about the prize draws. Suppose they say when you | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
enter the prize draw your chance of winning is going to be one in | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
10,000. How would you feel about that? What would you think? | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
very enthusiastic about it. Probably not bother. I probably | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
wouldn't bother. Reader's Digest does state in the small print that | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
you don't need to buy anything to take part in the prize draws. But | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
Anne believes they should make this much clearer, and she's so | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
concerned about the letters that she has passed some of them on to | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
the advertising standard authority. I said if I could please collect | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
more correspondence from my father, they would be prepared to look at | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
the case again. They felt, from what they had seen, that there were | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
issues which might need to be investigated. Anne hopes that by | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
telling her dad's story, it is going to help raise awareness of | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
the marketing tactics that even trusted companies often use, but | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
which she believes can be misleading. People who, of an age, | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
if they receive an official-looking letter, from a company, which they | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
trust, will take the contents at face value. It won't be younger | :20:17. | :20:24. | |
people, they might be a little more sceptical about the contents. | :20:24. | :20:32. | |
Reader's Digest told us that Roy is a valued customer and while every | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
competition has an element of excitement about the possibility of | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
winning, it isn't their aim to raise unrealistic expectations. | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
They said they will take Anne's comments into account when they | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
review how to contact customers. In the meantime, while her dad | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
holds on to the hope of a big win, Anne is determined to try to get | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
the rules on prize draws changed, to stop vulnerable customers being | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
persuaded to make the sort of purchases they neither want nor | :21:04. | :21:13. | |
need. Do remember, with any sort of | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
unsolicited mail, though they may phrase things as though they are | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
your best friend, they are usually only after your cash. Don't be | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
persuaded to hand it over, unless it is for something that you are | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
sure you really want. At a time when money is tighter | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
than ever, you need to know that your cash is working hard for you, | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
avoiding rip-offs and sharp practice along the way. We have put | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
together a booklet of tips and advice to help safeguard your money. | :21:41. | :21:51. | |
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You can find a link to the free Still to come on Rip-Off Britain | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
Britain. You have certainly kept us busy with stories and complaints, | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
our pop-up shop gave us a chance to solve some of them face-to-face. | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
There is savings to be made for consumers by bundling your | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
broadband and home phone together. We investigate whether the | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
donations going in the charity bags that drop through your letterbox | :22:21. | :22:29. | |
really do end up where you think. Over the last two years, we have | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
lost up �4.6 million in bags that haven't been given to us. | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
A problem that we looked at in our first series has cropped up again | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
in a lot more of your letters. That's the charges for watching | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
television, if you are snuk a hospital bed. Hospitals, of course, | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
are where you might need some cheering up. Having access to a | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
tele can seem a life saver, but it may not come cheap. It is usually a | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
case of pay up or switch off, you might find there is another catch | :23:02. | :23:12. | |
:23:12. | :23:12. | ||
too. After a spell in hospital, Archie is glad to be back at home, | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
he struggled with his health, after suffering two strokes, the 57-year- | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
old from Scunthorpe has also developed lung problems. He relies | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
on his family, including his nephew, Rob, for help around the house. | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
can hardly breathe. If I'm going out for a walk, I have to stop, | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
every so often, to catch my breath. Archie loves to watch TV, it fills | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
his time while he gets plenty of rest to build up his strength. He | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
spent just over a week in nearby scorn Thorpe General, which like | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
many hospital -- Scunthorpe General, which, like many hospitals in | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
Britain has a television system. But patients have to pay to use | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
them. Archie bought a �5 card, which apparently gave him 12 hours | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
of TV Times. He was amazed to discover those 12 hours had to be | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
used continuously. I knew I was being ripped off, basically. Paying | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
all that money to watch something, that even if you switch it off at | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
nightime, you have used it, your hours are gone, you don't save | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
anything. To me it is just a big con. But, with little else to do, | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
Archie kept buying the cards. During eight days in hospital, he | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
spent �40, just to watch television. He wasn't watching it all the time. | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
But, of course, he couldn't store up those unused hours. I just can't | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
afford it, I'm on the dole i get �65 a week. You go into hospital | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
and you have to pay out for that for a tele. You can watch it at | :24:48. | :24:56. | |
home for nothing. Ridiculous. It was around ten years ago that | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
pay-for-TV and telephone systems were introduced into hospitals | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
across the UK. They are expensive to install, and have no cost to the | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
NHS. So, that optional bedside entertainment, brought with it a | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
price for the patient. If Archie was at home, the cost of watching | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
TV, with his license, would be 40p a day. Quite a lot less than the �5 | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
he was charged for 12 hours viewing in hospital. | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
Archie isn't the only patient agrieved over the charges. It is an | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
issue that is debated in the local press, and MP, Nick Dakin has heard | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
from several other constituents who are unhappy. I'm concerned about | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
the impact on people with low incomes and can't afford to be 3ing | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
up large bills. There is a long -- to be picking up large bills. There | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
is a long history of communal places where people can access | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
television. Why that should be taken away so people don't have a | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
choice, I have a concern about that. If there was still the communal | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
areas and the axe sets to -- access to TVs over the bed, that seems a | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
fair choice, and people can make the decision that best suits them. | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
The company that operates the bedside TV system, says, unusually, | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
they haven't been able to find Archie's details in their records. | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
But, in any case, there are better value pricing options he could have | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
chosen, which would have halved the cost. They have trialed pay-per- | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
unit system, but for various reasons, they didn't work. Although | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
they are exploring alternative methods ofing for the future, of | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
10,000 patients who took part in a survey in September, 65% described | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
the current set-up as value for money. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
Meanwhile, it is likely that Archie will need more treatment for his | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
condition, and another stay in hospital. Even if he chooses a | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
different package, he fears facing another hefty bill. The people are | :27:01. | :27:11. | |
going to be in there for months. How can they afford it? How does a | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
company like that explain themselves to people's relatives | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
that it's costing that much to keep them there. Just to keep them a | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
little bit entertained. Unfortunately it appears these are | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
charges we can't escape and are not going to go away. We have some | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
pointers on other charges you can expect when you are in hospital. | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
Where possible, how to avoid them. If you are going to hospital for | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
treatment, you might assume that because it is NHS treatment that it | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
is free, however, you may find that you are being charged for amenities | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
that don't constitute treatment. Car parking charges will vary | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
throughout the country. In Wales, for example, there are no charges, | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
they have been scrapped all together, in Scotland certain | :28:05. | :28:14. | |
:28:15. | :28:16. | ||
conditions have been exempt from charges. In England, exempts and | :28:16. | :28:24. | |
discounts -- he can exceptions and discounts vary from hospitals to | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
hospitals. If you want to make telephone calls from a bedside | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
phone, you might find the charges are quite say. Relatives who want | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
to call you might be hit with very high in coming call charges. You | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
might be able to use your mobile phone on the ward, you should | :28:39. | :28:49. | |
:28:49. | :28:53. | ||
always check with the ward sister first. You might be charged for | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
taking money out at a hospital cash machine, take money with you. | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
Hospital shops are more expensive than high street shops. Think about | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
taking what you need, such as packed lunches with you when you | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
travel. Hundreds of you e-mail and write | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
into us at Rip-Off Britain Britain. So we decided we wanted -- Rip-Off | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
Britain, so we decided to have the opportunity to meet you face-to- | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
face and hear your stories. We have teemed up with BBC Learning to open | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
our own Pop Up Shop in Manchester. It is going incredibly well, we | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
have had lots of responses. Simon, we have a queue outside the door. | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
What are you expecting today? think it will be mostly to do with | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
flights. First of all, booking the flipping things, and why you have | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
to pay a charge with some airline, just to hand over money. Also, if | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
your flight is delayed or cancelled, what are your entitlements. The | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
biggest rip-off today that I want to persuade people to avoid, is the | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
changing money at the airport scenario. If you do that you might | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
as well just hand over your purse to someone and say help yourself, | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
ultimately you are just being ripped off massively. It is not | :30:06. | :30:13. | |
just the travel industry that is affected by hidden charges. Carolyn | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
has found out that she's paying for the prove lij of paying her phone | :30:19. | :30:27. | |
and broadband bill. They introduced a �5 non-direct debit charge. | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
you want to write a cheque for your bill it costs �5 to pay that way. | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
Unless you pay by direct debit you have to pay the �5 handling charge. | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
Which I think is wrong. They have now introduced a paper billing | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
charge, of �1.50. What do you make of this case? Unfortunately it is | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
not unique in the market nowadays. Providers in all sorts of | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
industries nowadays consider cheques to be an expensive way to | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
take the money from you, certainly within broadband, there is only one | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
or two providers that will allow a cheque for free. Two or three | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
providers won't allow you to take a cheque at all. The best way is to | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
bundle your home phone and broadband together. If you go down | :31:13. | :31:22. | |
the route where you have to pay by cheque premium it is only one | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
payment. In conclusion to your case, you are getting a better rate with | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
one company and they are charging a smaller amount for paying. If you | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
eliminate the charge per month, as Mike says, possibly you will be | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
paying for more your service. I'm a little bit confused, you access | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
your computer regularly, why are you so resistant to paying your | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
bills on-line? Because of the security. I have never paid | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
anything on-line, I have never bought anything on-line, I don't | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
like my bank details being on-line. Because you never know these days | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
what might happen. A lot of the big providers in the market now are | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
very security conscious, if you are leaving your bank details on the | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
account, you really should feel quite sure that nothing will happen | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
to them, and you will be able to make your payments without issues. | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Carolyn feels she should learn more about on-line security, BBC | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
Learning have good advice. It has recommended guides, it shows how to | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
shop safely with a credit card on- line. It has all that information | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
for you. There is a beginners guide to using the Internet. You click on | :32:26. | :32:33. | |
to it, it says safety. Skillswise website has been a great | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
starting point for Carolyn, that should open more doors for her as a | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
consumer. We're all finding more and more | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
charity bags pushed through our letterboxes, asking us to fill them | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
with our unwanted items. A perfect excuse to clear out the cupboards | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
and help a good cause at the same time. But do you really know where | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
your donations end up. Not all these bags are quite what they seem. | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
In fact, doing what you think is a good deed, so end up having a | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
really adverse effect on your local charity shops. With so many | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
collection bags arriving through our letterboxes, it seems charity | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
really does begin at home. But instead of being delighted at what | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
appears to be an effective way of getting us to give. One of the | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
country's best known charities is warning against it, saying only a | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
third of the items put into these bags will end up for sale in | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
charity shops. The way that the world is at the moment, the price | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
of rag is the highest it's been in my ten years of service with the | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
British Heart Foundation bs, that obviously encourages more | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
collection companies to sipt. The glut of commercial collect -- set | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
up. The glut of commercial collecting companies has made it | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
hard for us to get the stuff we need. It is not justs the | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
collections that upset the heart foundation, they say the public | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
don't realise when charity companies deal with private | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
companies to collect on their behalf, the private companies are | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
able to sell on the goods themselves, and only give a small | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
percentage to the charities themselves. The items are resorted | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
and sold on to Third World countries, the money that then goes | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
back, sometimes it is as little as 5% that goes across to the original | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
charity. Every single charity needs money, without the vital funds none | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
of us continue the hard work. A small percentage is better than no | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
percentage at all. The British Heart Foundation uses | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
its own vans to pick up donated goods, and driver, Joe, is | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
concerned about the dwindling number of collections he is making. | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
I have been a British heart foundation van driver for ten years, | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
I have noticed doorstep donations drop dramatically from full van | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
loads every day, to half a van load. I will drive around the housing | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
estates, there is less and less doorstep donations, the | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
householders are confused, they don't know what they are doing. | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
charity claims that two-thirds of the bags drop through our doors are | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
delivered by commercial companies. And while many of those are working | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
with charities, a growing problem is that some collectors are doing | :35:08. | :35:15. | |
nothing of the kind. Over the last two years we have | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
lost up to �4.6 million in bags that haven't been given to us. | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
There is a huge difference between the commercial collectors who are | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
giving a small percentage to charities, but there is also a lot | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
of bogus collectors out there giving absolutely nothing to | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
charities. The charities say this can make it | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
hard for anyone wanting to support a particular cause, to be confident | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
that their donations will do so effectively. Which is why, in | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
Ipswich, another charity, Mind, has stopped delivering bags all | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
together. I have noticed in the last three to four years, massive | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
increase in the amount of companies representing charities, putting | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
bags through the doors, for collections. It has become | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
increasingly hard to find an area that hasn't been blanket dropped by | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
these massive companies. They collect clothing and shoes, and | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
give a very small percentage of the money that they make on those | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
collections back to the charities that they represent. | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
I think it is vital that these private companies are regulated in | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
some way. So that they show exactly how much profit they are making, | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
from these charitable organisations. So it gives the public an informed | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
choice about whether they should support these people or not, or | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
whether they can support the charities in a different way, that | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
could actually make a real difference. | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
In a British Heart Foundation survey, 65% of the people asked and | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
wonder why these companies exist, and wrongly assume whether all | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
their donated -- wrongly assume all their donations are going to the | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
charity. Both Jill and Louise are determined to get the message out. | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
My advice to the general public is, if they are putting their stock | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
into a bag, really read the detail on the bag, check with the local | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
shops, check with the charities of their choice, but the absolutely | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
best and most guarantee way to get your stock into your local charity | :37:13. | :37:19. | |
is take it to the shop. I think people would be horrified if they | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
realise what had a small percentage was going back to the charity and | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
how much profit these corporates were making on the back of what | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
would appear to be a very charitable gesture. | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
We do feel ripped off, most importantly we feel the public are | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
being ripped off. They are not clearly informed about where their | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
stock is going. Commercial collectors, if you have nothing to | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
hide, be transparent on your bags. The public deserve the truth. | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
a depressing picture of people feeling their charitable instincts | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
are being taken advantage of. We pride ourselves on being a | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
charitable nation, but if we lose our faith in the system of | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
collection, we may stop giving, and then the people we want to help | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
will lose out. What can the Government do to help? I have come | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
to speak to the minister for civil society, to see what he has to say. | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
Minister, there is a crisis for charities about the bags that are | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
left in people's houses, which they fill in good faith, and the | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
charities say that two-thirds of the stuff never ends up in their | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
shops. My concern as minister for charities is what it is doing to | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
undermine public trust in giving. We have two potential problems here, | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
one is public dissatisfaction with how much of the proceeds from that | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
go to the charities. The second issue is the one that is concerning | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
me most at the moment, is actually about crime and left and fraud, and | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
the fact that in some cases this isn't going to charities at all, it | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
is going into Eastern Europe, in many cases, as really organised | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
crime. That is very, very serious indeed, and costing charities in | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
this country, estimates vary, but up to �50 million a year. There is | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
a lot of money to be made by the wrong kind of people out of this, I | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
think the figures are something like nearly �1,000 for a tonne of | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
clothing, and yet the maximum fine I believe that the police can levy | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
on people is �1,000. Is there anything that you can do to perhaps | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
create a greater match between the offence and the punishment? | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
convened a meeting of everyone who has an interest in this area, | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
charities, licensing authorities, the police, to say OK, there is a | :39:28. | :39:35. | |
problem here, what can we do to work together to make this more | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
effectively. Critically the missaid they know they can do more and | :39:39. | :39:49. | |
:39:49. | :39:49. | ||
should -- the police said they know and should do more. The authorities | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
are taking "zero tolerance" approach to this. That is one of | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
the key developments. People are generous, they want to do the right | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
thing, they want to make good use of the things they no longer want, | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
they want to give them to charities, what should they do? Please don't | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
be discouraged about giving, now more than ever charities need your | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
support. Secondly, there is a requirement for anyone collecting | :40:09. | :40:16. | |
on behalf of a charity, to print on the bag, the registration number of | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
the charity. Not a company registration number, but the | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
registration of the charity, check that. If you have any doubts, check | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
that number on the charities commission website to recognise | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
this is a bona fide operation. If you have any further doubts check | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
with your local authorities that it is legitimate. If you still, at the | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
end of that process, have any doubts, please consider taking the | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
clothes directly to your local charity shop, or if you have a | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
recycling bin near you. Simple steps to give yourself the | :40:46. | :40:53. | |
confidence that you are not being ripped off. Here at Rip-Off Britain, | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
we are always ready to investigate more of your stories. Confused over | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
your bills? Trying to wade through endless small print that leaves you | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
none the wiser. I might have been stupid for not reading it, or I | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
have read it and not took it in. I could kick myself, I really could. | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you have lost out, and that called | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
great deal has ended up costing you money. I thought this cannot be | :41:20. | :41:27. | |
true. It is totally unacceptable. I was so angry. You might have a | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
cautionary tale of your own, and want to share your mistakes with us, | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
so other people won't do the same. Nobody knows about this, and it is | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
very strange to me I would like to get it clearer. You can write to us | :41:41. | :41:51. | |
:41:51. | :42:03. | ||
The team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
I think you will agree it is obvious from the experiences we | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
have heard today that quite understandably most of us want to | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
know exactly where our money is going. So when that's not clear, | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
always do your research, and never be afraid to ask questions, that is | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
the motto. Absolutely, it is what we do on this programme. It can | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
seem that everyone is after your money. So you really do have to | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
protect it. You can never do too much research or price comparison | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
when you are being asked to hand over your cash. Not least, because | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
you just might discover another company that will give you a better | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
deal. That is always a good thing, that's it for today. Please join us | :42:38. | :42:41. |