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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped-off

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and you contacted us in your thousands -

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by post, email, even stopping us on the street

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and the message could not be clearer.

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Things weren't right, it was costing me time and money

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and it was like, "Does anybody listen?"

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Unfortunately, I think these companies are more motivated by their share price

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than they are by actually looking after the customers.

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You've told us with money tighter than ever,

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you need to make sure that every pound you spend is worth it.

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How do I get my money back? Cos I just think I'm entitled to it.

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So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake,

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or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions, keep... go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that investigates why you've ended up losing out

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or been treated badly

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and we've some pretty shocking examples of both

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on the programme today.

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What's especially frustrating for some of the people we'll be meeting

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is that they are paying the price

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for the mistakes and the actions of others.

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So when they've lost either their money

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or certainly in one case, something even worse,

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that is usually down to what someone else has done, and not them.

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Which does actually make what's happened seem particularly unfair,

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but even in situations like these,

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I want to you to know there are things you can do to protect yourself

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so we'll have some great advice

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to try and stop you being caught out the same way.

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Later in the programme -

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why this woman was forced to turn detective

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to get the deal she'd paid for.

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I've had no customer satisfaction from them.

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They was very blunt and abrupt

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and no help whatsoever.

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Demands for money you shouldn't have to pay...

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I read the letter and it said...

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thanking me for placing an advert which I've never advertised.

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And we'll tackle more of your problems at our pop-up shop.

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When money's tight,

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it can be bad enough keeping on top of your own finances,

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let alone being dragged into somebody else's.

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So imagine suddenly being told

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you had to pay off a debt that belonged to someone else

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and there was nothing at all you could do about it.

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That's what happened to the person we're about to meet

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and thanks to a particular type of loan, it could happen to you too.

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I was lying in bed in the middle of night,

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I was fast asleep and I just heard this almighty hammering on the door.

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For Jo Day, that loud knocking one wintry night last December

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was to prove a very rude awakening indeed.

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I just quickly put some clothes on, came down the stairs

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and opened the front door,

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and there were these two men standing there

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saying the car was being seized

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because there was a loan outstanding on it.

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So, shocked and confused, I just gave them the car keys,

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Terrified, Jo had no idea at all what was going on.

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But these men were debt collectors,

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chasing a loan she'd never even heard of.

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Living alone with my daughter, it was a scary episode to go through

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to have two huge men banging on my door at that time of night

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demanding my car keys.

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The men left her with a letter

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explaining there was a loan held against her car

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and it needed paying.

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Jo was shocked because she'd never taken out such a loan

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and she'd only got the car, a second-hand Nissan Micra,

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a few months earlier, but from that letter,

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she was able to start piecing together what had happened.

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The car had been a birthday present from her parents in July 2011.

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'Mum and Dad saw the car'

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advertised on the side of the road.

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It was being advertised for £500.

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Like me, my dad doesn't know anything about cars

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so he got his friend, who's a mechanic, to come along,

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check the vehicle. Having looked under the bonnet,

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checked the tyres and the bodywork,

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his friend said it was perfect.

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In fact, there WAS a problem.

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But it wasn't mechanical.

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And Jo only found out about it when she came to re-tax the car

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three months before the bailiffs came knocking.

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When the tax was due to be renewed, it was then that I realised

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that I didn't have the full V5 document

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you need when you're taxing the car.

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That V5C document - more commonly known as the logbook -

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is the certificate issued by the DVLA when a vehicle is registered.

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It contains the car's details

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and information about any previous people who've had the car,

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known as its registered keepers.

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I phoned the DVLA to see if the car had been registered in my name,

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just to see if the logbook had got lost in the post, etc.

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They confirmed that the vehicle wasn't registered in my name.

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When Jo's parents had bought the car,

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they had been given, as is correct, part of the logbook.

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What the seller should have done next

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was to send the remaining part to the DVLA,

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notifying them of the new registered keeper - Jo.

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In this case, that hadn't happened.

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So to try to put things right,

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Jo sent the part of the logbook she did have to the DVLA,

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along with some identification.

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I received a letter back from them a week or so later

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to say they had received the paperwork I'd sent in

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and my new logbook would be with me shortly.

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Days later, she received the logbook from the DVLA.

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At last, the car was officially registered in her name.

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But it was because Jo was now traceable as the car's keeper

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that a few weeks later,

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she received that frightening visit from the debt collectors.

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'By them having that information,'

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they were actually able to come to my home in the middle of the night

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and take that car away.

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Jo realised that the reason the previous owner

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hadn't sent their part of the logbook to the DVLA

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was because they didn't have it.

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At some point in the past,

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it had been used to take out a so-called "logbook loan"

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with that vital certificate handed over as security to borrow cash.

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If I'd known there was money outstanding on the car,

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I wouldn't... My dad wouldn't have bought it for me,

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that's as simple as that.

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30,000 logbook loans are recorded in the UK every year,

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and the industry is said to be worth around £40 million.

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It may seem an easy way to get money

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but the repayment rates can be eye-wateringly high

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and although they'd no idea at the time,

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when Jo's family had bought the car,

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they'd been landed with the loan attached to it too.

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Having spoken to the logbook loan company,

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they said there had been various owners

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after the logbook loan had been taken out,

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but they'd been unable to track the car down and actually seize it.

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'I had no knowledge whatsoever

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'that there was any finance outstanding on the car.

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'I hadn't received any letters, no phone calls,

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'nothing to point out that this loan was outstanding on the car.'

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I just feel a victim of somebody else's failings, basically.

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They took that loan out, they didn't honour their agreement

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and now I've been punished for it.

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It's just not fair.

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Jo was staggered to find that the only way to get her seized car back

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was for HER to pay off the £500 loan.

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'My sister transferred £500 to my bank account.

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'I then paid the logbook loan company'

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over the phone using my debit card.

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It was then they told me where my car was

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and where I could go and pick it up from.

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So after buying the car for £500,

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Jo was forced to pay another £500

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to collect a debt that wasn't even hers.

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'£500 to me is...'

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my month's rent,

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a week away with my daughter,

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it was...you know, it was quite a sizable chunk.

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I'm a single mum.

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I don't earn a great deal.

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It was just soul-destroying, just felt cheated.

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The logbook loan company Jo paid the money to is called Mobile Money.

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They say they'd normally expect their recovery agents

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to work in daylight, and accept that the time and nature of this visit

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were "not the most appropriate".

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They apologise for that

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and say they stopped working with the recovery company as a result.

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Even so, they say they were acting within the law

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and the relevant code of practice.

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They stress advance notice wouldn't normally be given to recover assets

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and "urge purchasers of second-hand vehicles to be mindful of the fact

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"that the seller may not be the owner of the vehicle".

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But since Rip-Off Britain intervened,

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Mobile Money have now sent Jo a cheque

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for the £500 she had to shell out to get her car back.

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It's estimated that as many as a quarter of second-hand cars sold

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may turn out to have some sort of outstanding finance deal

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or debt attached.

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The best way to make sure a possible purchase doesn't

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is to get a finance check done before you buy it. That way,

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should something like a logbook loan be discovered later on,

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you may have some protection.

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But as Jo hadn't done that,

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she'd been left with two choices -

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pay off a complete stranger's loan

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or lose her car.

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'I was furious that I was having to pay someone else's debt.

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'It just doesn't seem fair or just'

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that I have to do that

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but I had no choice. I needed to get my car back.

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'Basically, I was backed into a corner and I'd got no choice.

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'I had to pay that money.'

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Well, there is now some extra protection

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that should mean that you can avoid the same experience as Jo

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although the chances are you haven't heard about it yet.

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In 2011, the Government introduced measures

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designed to protect consumers from the pitfalls of logbook loans

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or "bills of sale", as they're referred to within the trade.

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Any outstanding finance on vehicles

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now has to be registered on what's called an Asset Finance Register.

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So if you're buying a used car,

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it's essential to check that before handing over your money.

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You can find out exactly how to do that on our website...

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And let's hope it stops anyone else

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being woken up by men demanding money in the middle of the night.

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Now, quite a few of the stories that you tell us about involve a mystery,

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but we've never had one of them including a murder as well,

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so when we saw this one,

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we just knew it wasn't an ordinary case for us to solve -

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it was a real whodunit.

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It was to be a night of dark deeds,

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murder most foul...

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..and dinner, bed and breakfast thrown in.

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Or that's what the "murder mystery" event

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advertised on the deals website Living Social promised.

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I'd seen murder mystery nights on television and read about them

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and they sounded like a good laugh.

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Erm, a bit of a detective,

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takes you back to your childhood days of playing Cluedo.

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And it were £99 for the two of us

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so I thought that was quite a bargain.

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Debra Denney thought it would be

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the perfect way to banish those winter blues.

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It was in January. Not a lot happens,

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a bit of anti-climax after Christmas and New Year.

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So I booked it, and just waited for the vouchers to come through.

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The website on which Debra booked the deal, LivingSocial,

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is just one of a number of so-called "daily deals" sites

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that seem to be a brilliantly simple way to bag a bargain.

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Retailers use websites like these

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to offer huge discounts on their products - an average of 56%

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for a set number of customers each day.

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After you've chosen your deal, you'll be emailed a voucher

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to redeem directly with the retailer.

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I received the voucher within a couple of days.

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It said on it I had to ring the hotel

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to book my place on the murder mystery night.

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I phoned them within a few days

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to be told that it had been fully booked, they'd over-booked it.

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I told them that the voucher had an expiry date of June.

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They said it wouldn't be a problem,

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it would still be honoured even if it was after that date.

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So Debra waited for the next murder mystery night to be announced.

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But as the weeks went by, the situation didn't get any clearer.

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I telephoned the hotel several times.

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I was fobbed off with different excuses.

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I started to get a bit fed up then

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and emailed LivingSocial Deals, who never replied.

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I telephoned them several times

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and you just could never get through, they never answered their phones.

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Debra was beginning to get suspicious

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but without any clues from either the hotel or LivingSocial,

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the mystery of where her night out had gone remained unsolved.

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Obviously, somebody had made a mistake somewhere

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and overbooked the night. They just...

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both of them denying all responsibility of it, really.

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But then LivingSocial sent a message

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making clear who they considered the guilty party.

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I received an email saying that

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it was nothing to do with LivingSocial Deals any more,

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it was down to the hotel.

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LivingSocial just pointed me to the terms and conditions

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saying, "Tough," basically, it were nothing they could do about it.

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Debra still held out hope that she and her best friend Val

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could book themselves on to a new date,

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but when Debra contacted the hotel, she was told it had changed hands

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and the new owners said they weren't responsible for honouring the deal,

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leaving her very confused as to who exactly was.

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I feel a bit like I'm stuck in the middle of them both.

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I don't know who to blame really cos they're both blaming each other.

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It seemed the murder mystery night Debra and Val had so been looking forward to

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had vanished,

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along with the £99 they'd paid for it.

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And of course they're not the only people

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to run into mysterious problems after using a daily deals website.

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In 2011, the Office of Fair Trading opened an investigation

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into the trading practices

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of perhaps the best known of these sites, Groupon.

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They'd had complaints about services not being delivered,

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and consumers not always getting refunds when appropriate.

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And although complaints about Groupon have fallen

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since this investigation,

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the OFT also sent warning letters to 35 other companies

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offering daily deals, asking them to review their practices as well.

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It was widely reported that LivingSocial was one of them,

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something which wouldn't surprise Debra.

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I've had no customer satisfaction from them whatsoever.

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They just didn't answer telephone calls

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and when they did eventually reply to emails,

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they were very blunt and abrupt and no help whatsoever.

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With all leads exhausted, Debra asked us to see

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if we could shed any light on the case.

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So we contacted the website LivingSocial and asked them

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if they'd be giving Debra a full refund.

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After all, their terms and conditions clearly state that

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if the seller - in this case the hotel - refuses to honour

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the voucher before it expires,

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then Living Social will credit the buyer's account

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so they can spend it on further deals with the company.

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So why hadn't that happened in this case?

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LivingSocial told us they work with thousands of local businesses,

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with great results, and though they're...

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..there are rare instances where that doesn't happen.

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They've provided a full refund to Debra

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and apologise for any inconvenience.

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So, case solved.

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But after all this, if Debra and Val ever do get to go

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on their murder mystery night, perhaps some of the skills

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Debra has developed trying to get to the bottom of all of this

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-may well come in handy.

-Oh, definitely!

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I'd have to be the detective, I think.

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'Rip-Off Britain has created its very own consumer advice shop.

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'A place to drop by and tell us about your complaints face to face.'

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They'd paid £1,000 for a car

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that you'd been told was going to be written off?

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-Scrapped, yeah.

-Flipping heck!

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Our team of experts is ready with invaluable advice.

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Make it very clear. I want my service restored, I want my number back.

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They're wrong to charge you for the lesson.

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Keith's been ripped off by a claims management company

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which promised to write off his debts,

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but actually left him even more out of pocket.

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They took several payments from various cards

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amounting to several thousand pounds

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and despite me several times on the telephone and writing to them,

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I haven't received a penny from that company.

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The interesting thing in this case

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that could be one extra avenue for you to explore

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is that they make charges to your credit card.

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Ultimately, you paid for a service which you never received

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and under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act,

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you have a right to appeal to your credit card provider

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and say, "Look, I paid for this. I never got it.

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"I want my money back."

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They're obliged to refund you that money and then it's up to them

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to chase these people to actually get that money back.

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I hope so. Thanks very much for the advice.

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Thanks for coming in. Best of luck.

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You've not only been telling us about your consumer issues in person

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but you also took the opportunity

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to tell us about your frustrations and issues in our Gripe Box.

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Cold calling should be made absolutely illegal.

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You pick the phone up and you can't trust anybody any more.

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My gripe with mortgage companies is that they never tell you

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when they're going to sell your mortgage on

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until after they're doing it.

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I'm here to complain about these companies who issue so-called parking tickets

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on private land.

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'And that's exactly what happened to Linda.

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'She's come to see Sarah Pennells for some advice about challenging

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'her parking fine.'

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Parked our car, quite empty car park, didn't really look around,

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but there was no parking system there in the past.

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And the first thing we actually heard

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was in May this year for £355. No warning, no pre-warning at all.

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£355? Saying that that's what you owed them for parking?

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-Yes, and if we didn't pay that bill immediately, we'd be taken to court.

-Now let me just get this right.

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Was there anything on the windscreen saying you've overstayed?

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You're parking here illegally? Nothing at all? Good heavens above!

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Sarah, what's the legal position here?

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Well, it's an interesting one because if you park on private land,

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at the moment, it's completely unregulated.

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and it's a real big problem.

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These companies that send out these letters

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know that if they send out a threatening letter,

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many people will pay up.

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If you don't pay, you get walloped with a big bill.

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It's a real issue.

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-Is the company a member of the British Parking Association?

-Yes. As far as I know, they are.

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What I would also suggest is that you contact them with the name

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and membership number of the company that's been writing to you

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and tell them what happened.

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Would you be bold enough to go to court on this?

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-I think I would, yes.

-If you lose in court, then you have to pay court costs.

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But I think that you're in quite a strong position.

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I think it's genuinely shocking that a company will send out

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a massive bill for £350 and give their customer no way

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of disputing that or trying to find out how much they could or should pay legally.

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Linda, thanks very much indeed. Let us know what happens.

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Still to come, a disastrously botched dental job.

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So why hasn't the man responsible put it right?

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I cannot even imagine

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how I will be able to get this money,

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and every day I need to live like this.

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I try to hide when I talk to people,

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of course I couldn't even dare to smile.

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Next, a business that in the past has run into big trouble

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for practices that some would call misleading.

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Others might describe it as just downright sneaky.

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But it seems that they're up to their old tricks again,

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forcing people to hand over hundreds of pounds

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that they simply shouldn't have to pay.

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Dawn Gardener runs a hair salon in North Shields.

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She's built up the business from scratch.

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But it's not always been easy.

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It has been difficult, you know, lots of businesses do struggle.

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And we are in a very small-knit community

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and they're very loyal to the local businesses in the village,

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they are, and that's what we've actually survived on.

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To ensure things stay on track,

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Dawn keeps an eagle eye on the accounts.

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I watch everything that comes through the door and everything that I order

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and know that I can afford to pay it.

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So she was surprised when in May this year

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she received an invoice in the post that she knew NOTHING about.

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It was from a company called Industry & Commerce, based in Spain,

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who claimed that she owed them 1,000 euros

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for an advert that she'd placed for her business on their website.

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I opened the post and I read the letter and it said,

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thanking me for placing an advert which I've never advertised

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in all the years I've been hairdressing.

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Along with the invoice, the company had enclosed a copy

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of the form that Dawn had supposedly filled in to place the ad.

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But not only did this have incorrect information about the business,

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the signature on it was not hers.

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I'm the only person that receives all the post

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and nobody else would have signed.

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She immediately rang Industry & Commerce

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to tell them she had NEVER placed an advert through them.

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But they insisted that she had and that as the contract was now

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out of their cooling off period,

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Dawn was legally obliged to pay the money.

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I said, "How can I have a cool off period when I've not signed anything?

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"I'm contacting you today cos this is the first post I've had from you."

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And I said I wanted to speak to somebody higher than her.

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She said that wasn't possible, just put it in an email to her,

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or to the company, which I did do.

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Dawn looked into the detail of the letter

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and she was horrified to discover

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that hidden in the terms and conditions

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was an agreement to sign up for three years

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and, to make matters worse, she was threatened with court action

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if she didn't pay up.

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So Dawn contacted Trading Standards who told her that the company

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she'd had the letter from, Industry & Commerce,

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was actually part of a bigger company called European City Guide.

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He said that he'd had dealings with European City Guide some years ago,

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but basically to put the stuff in the bin,

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not to give them any money

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and I was doing the right thing by contacting them.

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And that's because although Dawn had never heard about this outfit before,

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Trading Standards most certainly had.

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The Industry & Commerce company operate European City Guide

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and the local Trading Standards and the Office of Fair Trading,

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received numerous complaints from businesses,

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over probably 15 years, that they've been tricked into a contract

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for advertising space in what they thought was a free directory.

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Dawn followed Trading Standard's advice, and although she IS still

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getting demands for payments from the company,

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she now throws them straight in the bin.

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But there are plenty of other people

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who HAVE felt pressured into paying up,

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fearing that if they didn't it would harm their business

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and amongst them is builder Raymond Quigley from East Kilbride.

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Early part of 2009, I received a letter through the door

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from European City Guide with all my details on it.

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At that time I was going through a bit of a problem

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with my mother not being very well

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and, basically, I'd seen all my details and signed it,

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sent it back, not realising what I had actually signed

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because my mind wasn't on it, and about eight, nine months later

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I received a letter through saying that I owed them 997 euros.

0:25:120:25:17

Raymond was now locked into an expensive contract with European City Guide,

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for an advertising service that he just didn't want

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and, indeed, couldn't afford.

0:25:240:25:26

The company insisted he had no choice but to pay up.

0:25:260:25:31

So, reluctantly, Raymond paid them nearly £800,

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fearing that if he didn't he would end up in court.

0:25:340:25:37

He thought that that would be the end of it,

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but a few months later, the company got in touch again.

0:25:400:25:43

I then got a letter in with an invoice,

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stating that their second edition was coming out

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and I owed them 997 euro again

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and I phoned them up and stated that I didn't.

0:25:540:25:57

I'd paid last year's and had they made a mistake,

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and I got told, no, it was a contract -

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this was a second edition.

0:26:030:26:05

But this time, Raymond wasn't prepared to keep handing over cash.

0:26:050:26:09

After doing some research, he realised how many

0:26:090:26:12

other business owners had been stung the same way.

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So from then on in,

0:26:150:26:16

he simply ignored all further mail from the company.

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I mean, at the end of the day, they couldn't care less about you,

0:26:200:26:23

they just want your money and just...that's it.

0:26:230:26:25

We contacted Industry Commerce in Spain.

0:26:250:26:28

They told us that they couldn't find Ray on their system

0:26:280:26:31

and as for Dawn, they just sent a copy of the same form

0:26:310:26:34

they'd sent her as proof that she'd signed up.

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Now they claim that Trading Standards has a "skewed vision"

0:26:380:26:40

of their company and it doesn't reflect the fact

0:26:400:26:43

that the order form has "become much clearer"

0:26:430:26:45

and their "product has also improved".

0:26:450:26:48

They also say as their contract is sent to "potential clients" by post,

0:26:480:26:52

there's "no obligation to return it",

0:26:520:26:55

which actually sounds to us

0:26:550:26:57

like they're giving permission for you to throw it in the bin.

0:26:570:26:59

Raymond has learned a very expensive lesson from his experience,

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and Trading Standards are keen to ensure

0:27:040:27:06

that nobody else is caught out the same way.

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Businesses should be very, very reticent

0:27:090:27:12

in actually signing anything without checking it out first.

0:27:120:27:15

Even if they are large companies, the person receiving the advert

0:27:150:27:18

will probably think that someone else has actually agreed this

0:27:180:27:21

and then will sign it and send it off without giving it a thought.

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But with these sort of things, it is incumbent upon them

0:27:250:27:29

to actually check it out for themselves

0:27:290:27:31

and read all the small print,

0:27:310:27:32

and the best idea is don't send anything off.

0:27:320:27:35

Big companies don't always make things easy to understand

0:27:390:27:43

and you've told us that it can be confusing trying to work out

0:27:430:27:47

why you haven't ended up with what you'd expected.

0:27:470:27:49

So if you feel bogged down and ripped off, well, we've put together

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a booklet of tips and advice.

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You can find a link to the new, free guide on our website...

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..or to receive a copy in the post,

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send a stamped, self-addressed A5 envelope

0:28:050:28:08

to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme.

0:28:080:28:10

Now when Which? magazine did a survey,

0:28:140:28:17

36% of the people they asked said they were finding it hard to manage

0:28:170:28:21

on their current income.

0:28:210:28:23

As a result, a lot of people desperate for money will try

0:28:230:28:26

and find ways to borrow it.

0:28:260:28:28

And if they get no joy from the banks, many may find

0:28:280:28:31

there's no option but to turn to riskier solutions

0:28:310:28:34

such as so called payday loans.

0:28:340:28:36

But there IS an alternative.

0:28:360:28:37

It's one the government has pledged millions of pounds to support

0:28:370:28:41

and like so many good ideas, it isn't a new one.

0:28:410:28:44

We're talking about credit unions.

0:28:470:28:50

The first one in the UK was established in 1964

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and there are now almost 400 of them throughout England, Scotland, and Wales.

0:28:530:28:58

Credit unions work by offering savings and loans

0:28:580:29:01

to their members and have traditionally appealed to people

0:29:010:29:04

on lower incomes or who don't have access to mainstream banking.

0:29:040:29:08

The cost of borrowing is much lower than with payday lenders

0:29:080:29:12

and so are the risks.

0:29:120:29:13

Dawn Blow has been a credit union user for five years.

0:29:130:29:18

She turned to them for help after getting into debt.

0:29:180:29:22

I got a payday loan once

0:29:220:29:25

and when the payday come, they'd put that much interest onto it

0:29:250:29:29

that I couldn't afford to pay back what I'd borrowed

0:29:290:29:32

but then the month after, I had to pay more,

0:29:320:29:36

which to me, that was wrong.

0:29:360:29:37

My experience with credit unions has been a lot better.

0:29:370:29:42

I have just borrowed £300 and I will pay £25 a week back.

0:29:420:29:48

It comes back to the interest - it's very, very low.

0:29:480:29:52

Despite that, at the moment, only 2% of people in the UK use

0:29:520:29:57

a credit union, compared with 75% in Ireland.

0:29:570:30:00

But the government aims to change that.

0:30:000:30:03

The government is about to invest

0:30:040:30:06

up to £38 million in credit unions in Britain,

0:30:060:30:09

and that's because they would like to see the sector grow

0:30:090:30:13

to a completely new level,

0:30:130:30:14

and serve more and more people with both a safe place

0:30:140:30:18

to put their savings but also a very good place to borrow.

0:30:180:30:22

The money is to help the credit unions,

0:30:220:30:26

maybe as many as 40 or 50 credit unions to change

0:30:260:30:29

and to get stronger and to have much more...

0:30:290:30:33

available to more people, but to also be more convenient.

0:30:330:30:37

It's a real sign of the times that there's now a credit union being

0:30:370:30:40

set up in Kensington and Chelsea - one of richest boroughs in Britain.

0:30:400:30:45

But can these small-scale operations really take on

0:30:450:30:49

the booming payday loan business?

0:30:490:30:51

With nearly 10,000 users,

0:30:530:30:56

the Manchester Credit Union is one of the UK's biggest.

0:30:560:31:00

Our lending is increasing all the time

0:31:000:31:01

and as people are becoming aware of the credit union,

0:31:010:31:04

we're getting more and more people joining.

0:31:040:31:06

The way we differ is, we lend to people who don't,

0:31:060:31:10

either don't have a credit history or have a poor credit history,

0:31:100:31:13

and we don't hold that against people.

0:31:130:31:15

You know, we can give them small loan, but it's an affordable loan,

0:31:150:31:19

and then once they repay that back regularly, they can borrow again.

0:31:190:31:23

So we give people a chance, basically, who don't have,

0:31:230:31:27

the banks don't want to lend small amounts,

0:31:270:31:29

they're not interested in giving somebody a £500 loan

0:31:290:31:33

and they probably wouldn't give it to some of these people anyway.

0:31:330:31:38

For Dawn, the credit union has been a lifeline

0:31:380:31:40

and kept her out of the clutches of loan sharks.

0:31:400:31:43

My experience with credit unions is a lot better than going to

0:31:430:31:49

a loan shark or a bank.

0:31:490:31:54

If you miss a payment, they don't put more money on,

0:31:540:31:58

not like loan sharks. They put loads of money on your loan

0:31:580:32:03

and I have had bad experience with that actually.

0:32:030:32:05

If you want to find out more about credit unions

0:32:070:32:10

and whether they're right for you,

0:32:100:32:12

you can find out information on our website...

0:32:120:32:15

Now if there's one thing that most of us want to hang on to

0:32:220:32:25

as much as our money, it's our teeth.

0:32:250:32:28

Frankly, nobody likes the thought of losing either.

0:32:280:32:31

But as we're about to hear,

0:32:310:32:32

there are some serious gaps in the way that our dentists are regulated.

0:32:320:32:37

So once you put your mouth in their hands,

0:32:370:32:39

if something goes seriously wrong,

0:32:390:32:41

you may not have the protection that you thought you had.

0:32:410:32:44

Though there aren't many of us

0:32:470:32:48

who actually look forward to a visit to the dentist,

0:32:480:32:51

at least we can rest safe in the chair knowing we're being treated

0:32:510:32:55

by someone who knows what they're doing.

0:32:550:32:57

But unfortunately, that's not how things worked out for this patient,

0:32:570:33:01

Gabriella, who'd saved for years

0:33:010:33:03

for some treatment that she desperately needed.

0:33:030:33:05

Morning, Gabriella. How are you?

0:33:050:33:07

I'm all right, thank you.

0:33:070:33:09

'I had a medical condition'

0:33:090:33:10

which required years and years of treatment

0:33:100:33:13

and that treatment destroyed my teeth.

0:33:130:33:16

Gabriella had four implants put in her upper jaw.

0:33:180:33:21

But the work that she'd saved so hard for was not done well,

0:33:210:33:25

and two years later she's still left with no teeth in her upper jaw,

0:33:250:33:29

which is why she's seeing a different dentist today

0:33:290:33:32

in the hope that he can put right the disastrous work that had been done.

0:33:320:33:37

Gabriella came to see me last year

0:33:390:33:41

after she had had some work done at a different practice.

0:33:410:33:44

As you can see, on this shot especially,

0:33:440:33:47

which is showing the four implants at the top,

0:33:470:33:50

they're all different angles, all four of them.

0:33:500:33:52

Ideally, they should be parallel.

0:33:520:33:54

But they're not, and that won't be cheap to put right.

0:33:540:33:58

We're having to correct the wrong angles,

0:33:580:34:02

provide her with a telescopic bridge.

0:34:020:34:04

So you'll be looking at a cost of anything from £15,000 to £18,000.

0:34:040:34:08

It was back in 2009 that Gabriella first visited the local dental clinic

0:34:090:34:14

where she would have her treatment,

0:34:140:34:17

and made an initial payment of £4,000.

0:34:170:34:20

The job was arranged for the following January

0:34:200:34:22

when she met the man who would do the work - Dr Piotr Reichel.

0:34:220:34:25

He explained to me the whole procedure that would take place

0:34:250:34:31

and I agreed with this,

0:34:310:34:37

so of course I trusted him.

0:34:370:34:41

But that trust proved unfounded,

0:34:410:34:44

which is why Gabriella is still suffering today.

0:34:440:34:47

Most of the UK's 39,000 dentists are self-employed,

0:34:490:34:52

working out of "practices" to help cover the cost

0:34:520:34:55

of administration, premises and equipment.

0:34:550:34:57

That means each working dentist is usually a separate entity,

0:34:590:35:02

liable for their own mistakes.

0:35:020:35:05

In order to practise, they're supposed to have insurance

0:35:050:35:08

in case anyone makes a claim against them.

0:35:080:35:10

The dentist could then make a claim on this policy

0:35:100:35:14

on behalf of their patients, but Dr Reichel was no longer around...

0:35:140:35:18

..though the first sign Gabriella had of that

0:35:190:35:22

was when she went for a follow-up appointment.

0:35:220:35:25

She was told another dentist was now treating Dr Reichel's patients.

0:35:250:35:30

And that dentist was horrified when he examined Gabriella.

0:35:300:35:34

I could see his shock, by the way he talked,

0:35:340:35:39

by the way he put his hands on his head.

0:35:390:35:42

I found that the implants

0:35:420:35:47

were placed wrong and nothing can be done.

0:35:470:35:52

Gabriella is angry with the way the clinic then handled her case,

0:35:530:35:57

feeling they weren't particularly sympathetic.

0:35:570:36:00

And she had no joy in trying to contact Dr Reichel.

0:36:000:36:04

As she investigated further, she discovered why.

0:36:040:36:08

The General Dental Council, who regulate the industry,

0:36:080:36:11

had struck him off the register of dentists

0:36:110:36:13

that are allowed to practise. The reason?

0:36:130:36:17

"To prevent harm being done to patients,"

0:36:170:36:19

after other complaint against him for similarly poor work.

0:36:190:36:24

Dr Reichel has now returned to his native Poland

0:36:240:36:27

leaving Gabriella stuck -

0:36:270:36:30

and unsure how she can afford to put her teeth right.

0:36:300:36:32

I cannot even imagine how I will be able to get this money.

0:36:340:36:41

How long it's going to take me until I put this money together...

0:36:410:36:45

..and every day I need to live like this.

0:36:470:36:49

'I try to hide when I talk to people.'

0:36:520:36:55

Of course, I couldn't even dare to smile now.

0:36:560:37:00

Look at my lip.

0:37:010:37:03

There's no lip left any more

0:37:030:37:06

because it's sunk in here.

0:37:060:37:10

The corners of my mouth go...this, and more and more.

0:37:100:37:16

See, look at that. My eyes are going more.

0:37:160:37:22

What can I do about this? You see. I can't do anything.

0:37:220:37:29

It's just... I don't want to look like that.

0:37:290:37:31

I want to look better.

0:37:310:37:34

David Coreless Smith is Gabriella's lawyer.

0:37:340:37:38

We're acting for Gabriella to try

0:37:380:37:40

and persuade Dr Reichel's insurers to deal with her claim.

0:37:400:37:43

During Dr Reichel's practice in the UK, he was insured with two separate insurance companies,

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neither of those insurances are adequate.

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That leaves Gabriella in the position of having

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a good, valid claim but no insurance to cover the claim.

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The General Dental Council DOES require dentists to have adequate insurance.

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But there's no law that makes them do it.

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David thinks that should change.

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'There needs to be three changes in the law.

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'Firstly, it needs to be a legal requirement

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that dentists are insured in order to practise.

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Secondly, it needs to be a legal requirement that dentists tell patients about their insurance.

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And thirdly, it needs to be a legal requirement that insurers deal with patients bringing claims.

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We contacted Gabriella's dentist, Dr Reichel, in Poland.

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He said he'd be willing to meet us out there to explain things,

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but he didn't answer any of our questions.

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We also spoke to the clinic where the job was done,

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who've reiterated that Dr Reichel was self-employed and simply rented a room from them.

0:38:450:38:52

They say Gabriella's case is not straightforward,

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and they don't agree with the estimated cost of putting the work right.

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But they have told us they think this story is an example of how

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the dental indemnity industry is

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"letting the public down" by not covering

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a patient's legitimate claim unless the insured dentist instructs them to.

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Meanwhile, the General Dental Council told us that they're working with the Department Of Health

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on plans that it's hoped by October of next year

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will make it mandatory for dentists and other health professionals

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to have indemnity cover if they're involved in treating patients.

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And Gabriella - with no end in sight to her problems -

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feels that such changes can't come a moment too soon.

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The best thing that can be done is that all...

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all the organisations work together with the same purpose -

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to create a law for us, to protect us.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

0:39:580:40:04

Confused over your bills?

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Trying to wade through never-ending small print?

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When they sit you down to sign up for things,

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they don't really give you the chance or the time to read through all of that small print.

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Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out,

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and that "great deal" has ended up costing you money?

0:40:190:40:21

You feel as though, because you've got a cheap deal,

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you are not worth their time in the same way.

0:40:240:40:26

You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share

0:40:260:40:30

the mistakes that you've made with us, so that others don't do the same.

0:40:300:40:35

I feel angry. I feel stupid that I'd allowed this to happen to me.

0:40:350:40:39

You can write to us at...

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..or send us an email to...

0:40:510:40:53

The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:40:570:41:01

I think we would all agree that absolutely no-one likes feeling

0:41:030:41:07

that they've had a raw deal, but when there's a lot of money involved,

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well, that just makes it even worse.

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And certainly for the people that we've met in today's stories,

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it was money they simply could not afford to lose.

0:41:150:41:18

Well, at Rip-Off Britain, we're here to fight your corner if the same thing happens to you,

0:41:180:41:23

but of course, we'd far rather you didn't need to write to us at all,

0:41:230:41:26

and that every pound you spend does exactly the job you want it to.

0:41:260:41:30

So, to make that happen, it does pay to know your rights

0:41:300:41:33

and to really do your research before you agree to hand over your hard-earned cash.

0:41:330:41:38

You could save yourself a lot of hassle further down the line.

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Well, I'm afraid that's where we've got to leave it for today,

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but we'll see you next time to look at more of your stories.

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-But until then, from the whole team, bye-bye.

-Bye-bye.

-Bye-bye.

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