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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped-off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands - | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
by post, email, even stopping us on the street | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
and the message could not be clearer. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Things weren't right, it was costing me time and money | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
and it was like, "Does anybody listen?" | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Unfortunately, I think these companies are more motivated by their share price | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
than they are by actually looking after the customers. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
You've told us with money tighter than ever, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
you need to make sure that every pound you spend is worth it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
How do I get my money back? Cos I just think I'm entitled to it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Keep asking the questions, keep... go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
the series that investigates why you've ended up losing out | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
or been treated badly | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
and we've some pretty shocking examples of both | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
on the programme today. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
What's especially frustrating for some of the people we'll be meeting | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
is that they are paying the price | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
for the mistakes and the actions of others. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
So when they've lost either their money | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
or certainly in one case, something even worse, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
that is usually down to what someone else has done, and not them. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
Which does actually make what's happened seem particularly unfair, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
but even in situations like these, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
I want to you to know there are things you can do to protect yourself | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
so we'll have some great advice | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
to try and stop you being caught out the same way. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Later in the programme - | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
why this woman was forced to turn detective | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
to get the deal she'd paid for. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
I've had no customer satisfaction from them. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
They was very blunt and abrupt | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
and no help whatsoever. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
Demands for money you shouldn't have to pay... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
I read the letter and it said... | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
thanking me for placing an advert which I've never advertised. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
And we'll tackle more of your problems at our pop-up shop. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
When money's tight, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
it can be bad enough keeping on top of your own finances, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
let alone being dragged into somebody else's. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
So imagine suddenly being told | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
you had to pay off a debt that belonged to someone else | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
and there was nothing at all you could do about it. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
That's what happened to the person we're about to meet | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
and thanks to a particular type of loan, it could happen to you too. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
I was lying in bed in the middle of night, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
I was fast asleep and I just heard this almighty hammering on the door. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
For Jo Day, that loud knocking one wintry night last December | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
was to prove a very rude awakening indeed. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
I just quickly put some clothes on, came down the stairs | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
and opened the front door, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
and there were these two men standing there | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
saying the car was being seized | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
because there was a loan outstanding on it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So, shocked and confused, I just gave them the car keys, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Terrified, Jo had no idea at all what was going on. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
But these men were debt collectors, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
chasing a loan she'd never even heard of. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Living alone with my daughter, it was a scary episode to go through | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
to have two huge men banging on my door at that time of night | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
demanding my car keys. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
The men left her with a letter | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
explaining there was a loan held against her car | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and it needed paying. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
Jo was shocked because she'd never taken out such a loan | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
and she'd only got the car, a second-hand Nissan Micra, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
a few months earlier, but from that letter, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
she was able to start piecing together what had happened. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
The car had been a birthday present from her parents in July 2011. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
'Mum and Dad saw the car' | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
advertised on the side of the road. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
It was being advertised for £500. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
Like me, my dad doesn't know anything about cars | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
so he got his friend, who's a mechanic, to come along, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
check the vehicle. Having looked under the bonnet, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
checked the tyres and the bodywork, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
his friend said it was perfect. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
In fact, there WAS a problem. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
But it wasn't mechanical. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
And Jo only found out about it when she came to re-tax the car | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
three months before the bailiffs came knocking. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
When the tax was due to be renewed, it was then that I realised | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
that I didn't have the full V5 document | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
you need when you're taxing the car. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
That V5C document - more commonly known as the logbook - | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
is the certificate issued by the DVLA when a vehicle is registered. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
It contains the car's details | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
and information about any previous people who've had the car, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
known as its registered keepers. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
I phoned the DVLA to see if the car had been registered in my name, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
just to see if the logbook had got lost in the post, etc. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
They confirmed that the vehicle wasn't registered in my name. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
When Jo's parents had bought the car, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
they had been given, as is correct, part of the logbook. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
What the seller should have done next | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
was to send the remaining part to the DVLA, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
notifying them of the new registered keeper - Jo. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
In this case, that hadn't happened. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
So to try to put things right, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Jo sent the part of the logbook she did have to the DVLA, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
along with some identification. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
I received a letter back from them a week or so later | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
to say they had received the paperwork I'd sent in | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
and my new logbook would be with me shortly. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Days later, she received the logbook from the DVLA. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
At last, the car was officially registered in her name. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
But it was because Jo was now traceable as the car's keeper | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
that a few weeks later, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
she received that frightening visit from the debt collectors. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
'By them having that information,' | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
they were actually able to come to my home in the middle of the night | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
and take that car away. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
Jo realised that the reason the previous owner | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
hadn't sent their part of the logbook to the DVLA | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
was because they didn't have it. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
At some point in the past, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
it had been used to take out a so-called "logbook loan" | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
with that vital certificate handed over as security to borrow cash. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
If I'd known there was money outstanding on the car, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
I wouldn't... My dad wouldn't have bought it for me, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
that's as simple as that. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
30,000 logbook loans are recorded in the UK every year, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
and the industry is said to be worth around £40 million. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
It may seem an easy way to get money | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
but the repayment rates can be eye-wateringly high | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
and although they'd no idea at the time, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
when Jo's family had bought the car, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
they'd been landed with the loan attached to it too. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Having spoken to the logbook loan company, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
they said there had been various owners | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
after the logbook loan had been taken out, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
but they'd been unable to track the car down and actually seize it. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
'I had no knowledge whatsoever | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
'that there was any finance outstanding on the car. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
'I hadn't received any letters, no phone calls, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
'nothing to point out that this loan was outstanding on the car.' | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
I just feel a victim of somebody else's failings, basically. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
They took that loan out, they didn't honour their agreement | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
and now I've been punished for it. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
It's just not fair. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
Jo was staggered to find that the only way to get her seized car back | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
was for HER to pay off the £500 loan. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
'My sister transferred £500 to my bank account. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
'I then paid the logbook loan company' | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
over the phone using my debit card. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
It was then they told me where my car was | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
and where I could go and pick it up from. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
So after buying the car for £500, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Jo was forced to pay another £500 | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
to collect a debt that wasn't even hers. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
'£500 to me is...' | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
my month's rent, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
a week away with my daughter, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
it was...you know, it was quite a sizable chunk. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I'm a single mum. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
I don't earn a great deal. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
It was just soul-destroying, just felt cheated. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
The logbook loan company Jo paid the money to is called Mobile Money. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
They say they'd normally expect their recovery agents | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
to work in daylight, and accept that the time and nature of this visit | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
were "not the most appropriate". | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
They apologise for that | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
and say they stopped working with the recovery company as a result. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Even so, they say they were acting within the law | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
and the relevant code of practice. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
They stress advance notice wouldn't normally be given to recover assets | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
and "urge purchasers of second-hand vehicles to be mindful of the fact | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
"that the seller may not be the owner of the vehicle". | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
But since Rip-Off Britain intervened, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Mobile Money have now sent Jo a cheque | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
for the £500 she had to shell out to get her car back. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
It's estimated that as many as a quarter of second-hand cars sold | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
may turn out to have some sort of outstanding finance deal | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
or debt attached. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
The best way to make sure a possible purchase doesn't | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
is to get a finance check done before you buy it. That way, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
should something like a logbook loan be discovered later on, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
you may have some protection. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
But as Jo hadn't done that, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
she'd been left with two choices - | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
pay off a complete stranger's loan | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
or lose her car. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
'I was furious that I was having to pay someone else's debt. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
'It just doesn't seem fair or just' | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
that I have to do that | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
but I had no choice. I needed to get my car back. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
'Basically, I was backed into a corner and I'd got no choice. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
'I had to pay that money.' | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Well, there is now some extra protection | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
that should mean that you can avoid the same experience as Jo | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
although the chances are you haven't heard about it yet. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
In 2011, the Government introduced measures | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
designed to protect consumers from the pitfalls of logbook loans | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
or "bills of sale", as they're referred to within the trade. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
Any outstanding finance on vehicles | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
now has to be registered on what's called an Asset Finance Register. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
So if you're buying a used car, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
it's essential to check that before handing over your money. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
You can find out exactly how to do that on our website... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
And let's hope it stops anyone else | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
being woken up by men demanding money in the middle of the night. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
Now, quite a few of the stories that you tell us about involve a mystery, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
but we've never had one of them including a murder as well, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
so when we saw this one, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
we just knew it wasn't an ordinary case for us to solve - | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
it was a real whodunit. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
It was to be a night of dark deeds, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
murder most foul... | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
..and dinner, bed and breakfast thrown in. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Or that's what the "murder mystery" event | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
advertised on the deals website Living Social promised. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
I'd seen murder mystery nights on television and read about them | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
and they sounded like a good laugh. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Erm, a bit of a detective, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
takes you back to your childhood days of playing Cluedo. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
And it were £99 for the two of us | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
so I thought that was quite a bargain. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Debra Denney thought it would be | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
the perfect way to banish those winter blues. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
It was in January. Not a lot happens, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
a bit of anti-climax after Christmas and New Year. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
So I booked it, and just waited for the vouchers to come through. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
The website on which Debra booked the deal, LivingSocial, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
is just one of a number of so-called "daily deals" sites | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
that seem to be a brilliantly simple way to bag a bargain. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Retailers use websites like these | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
to offer huge discounts on their products - an average of 56% | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
for a set number of customers each day. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
After you've chosen your deal, you'll be emailed a voucher | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
to redeem directly with the retailer. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
I received the voucher within a couple of days. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
It said on it I had to ring the hotel | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
to book my place on the murder mystery night. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
I phoned them within a few days | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
to be told that it had been fully booked, they'd over-booked it. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
I told them that the voucher had an expiry date of June. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
They said it wouldn't be a problem, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
it would still be honoured even if it was after that date. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
So Debra waited for the next murder mystery night to be announced. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
But as the weeks went by, the situation didn't get any clearer. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
I telephoned the hotel several times. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
I was fobbed off with different excuses. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
I started to get a bit fed up then | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
and emailed LivingSocial Deals, who never replied. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
I telephoned them several times | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and you just could never get through, they never answered their phones. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
Debra was beginning to get suspicious | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
but without any clues from either the hotel or LivingSocial, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
the mystery of where her night out had gone remained unsolved. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
Obviously, somebody had made a mistake somewhere | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
and overbooked the night. They just... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
both of them denying all responsibility of it, really. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
But then LivingSocial sent a message | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
making clear who they considered the guilty party. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
I received an email saying that | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
it was nothing to do with LivingSocial Deals any more, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
it was down to the hotel. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
LivingSocial just pointed me to the terms and conditions | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
saying, "Tough," basically, it were nothing they could do about it. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
Debra still held out hope that she and her best friend Val | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
could book themselves on to a new date, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
but when Debra contacted the hotel, she was told it had changed hands | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
and the new owners said they weren't responsible for honouring the deal, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
leaving her very confused as to who exactly was. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
I feel a bit like I'm stuck in the middle of them both. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
I don't know who to blame really cos they're both blaming each other. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
It seemed the murder mystery night Debra and Val had so been looking forward to | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
had vanished, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
along with the £99 they'd paid for it. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
And of course they're not the only people | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
to run into mysterious problems after using a daily deals website. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
In 2011, the Office of Fair Trading opened an investigation | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
into the trading practices | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
of perhaps the best known of these sites, Groupon. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
They'd had complaints about services not being delivered, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
and consumers not always getting refunds when appropriate. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
And although complaints about Groupon have fallen | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
since this investigation, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
the OFT also sent warning letters to 35 other companies | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
offering daily deals, asking them to review their practices as well. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
It was widely reported that LivingSocial was one of them, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
something which wouldn't surprise Debra. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I've had no customer satisfaction from them whatsoever. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
They just didn't answer telephone calls | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
and when they did eventually reply to emails, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
they were very blunt and abrupt and no help whatsoever. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
With all leads exhausted, Debra asked us to see | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
if we could shed any light on the case. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
So we contacted the website LivingSocial and asked them | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
if they'd be giving Debra a full refund. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
After all, their terms and conditions clearly state that | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
if the seller - in this case the hotel - refuses to honour | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
the voucher before it expires, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
then Living Social will credit the buyer's account | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
so they can spend it on further deals with the company. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
So why hadn't that happened in this case? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
LivingSocial told us they work with thousands of local businesses, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
with great results, and though they're... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
..there are rare instances where that doesn't happen. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
They've provided a full refund to Debra | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
and apologise for any inconvenience. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
So, case solved. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
But after all this, if Debra and Val ever do get to go | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
on their murder mystery night, perhaps some of the skills | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Debra has developed trying to get to the bottom of all of this | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
-may well come in handy. -Oh, definitely! | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
I'd have to be the detective, I think. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
'Rip-Off Britain has created its very own consumer advice shop. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
'A place to drop by and tell us about your complaints face to face.' | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
They'd paid £1,000 for a car | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
that you'd been told was going to be written off? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-Scrapped, yeah. -Flipping heck! | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Our team of experts is ready with invaluable advice. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:22 | |
Make it very clear. I want my service restored, I want my number back. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
They're wrong to charge you for the lesson. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Keith's been ripped off by a claims management company | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
which promised to write off his debts, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
but actually left him even more out of pocket. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
They took several payments from various cards | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
amounting to several thousand pounds | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
and despite me several times on the telephone and writing to them, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
I haven't received a penny from that company. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
The interesting thing in this case | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
that could be one extra avenue for you to explore | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
is that they make charges to your credit card. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Ultimately, you paid for a service which you never received | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
and under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
you have a right to appeal to your credit card provider | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
and say, "Look, I paid for this. I never got it. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
"I want my money back." | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
They're obliged to refund you that money and then it's up to them | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
to chase these people to actually get that money back. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
I hope so. Thanks very much for the advice. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Thanks for coming in. Best of luck. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
You've not only been telling us about your consumer issues in person | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
but you also took the opportunity | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
to tell us about your frustrations and issues in our Gripe Box. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
Cold calling should be made absolutely illegal. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
You pick the phone up and you can't trust anybody any more. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
My gripe with mortgage companies is that they never tell you | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
when they're going to sell your mortgage on | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
until after they're doing it. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
I'm here to complain about these companies who issue so-called parking tickets | 0:18:53 | 0:19:00 | |
on private land. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
'And that's exactly what happened to Linda. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
'She's come to see Sarah Pennells for some advice about challenging | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
'her parking fine.' | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
Parked our car, quite empty car park, didn't really look around, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
but there was no parking system there in the past. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
And the first thing we actually heard | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
was in May this year for £355. No warning, no pre-warning at all. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
£355? Saying that that's what you owed them for parking? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
-Yes, and if we didn't pay that bill immediately, we'd be taken to court. -Now let me just get this right. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Was there anything on the windscreen saying you've overstayed? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
You're parking here illegally? Nothing at all? Good heavens above! | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Sarah, what's the legal position here? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Well, it's an interesting one because if you park on private land, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
at the moment, it's completely unregulated. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
and it's a real big problem. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
These companies that send out these letters | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
know that if they send out a threatening letter, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
many people will pay up. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
If you don't pay, you get walloped with a big bill. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
It's a real issue. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
-Is the company a member of the British Parking Association? -Yes. As far as I know, they are. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
What I would also suggest is that you contact them with the name | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and membership number of the company that's been writing to you | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and tell them what happened. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
Would you be bold enough to go to court on this? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
-I think I would, yes. -If you lose in court, then you have to pay court costs. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
But I think that you're in quite a strong position. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
I think it's genuinely shocking that a company will send out | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
a massive bill for £350 and give their customer no way | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
of disputing that or trying to find out how much they could or should pay legally. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
Linda, thanks very much indeed. Let us know what happens. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
Still to come, a disastrously botched dental job. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
So why hasn't the man responsible put it right? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
I cannot even imagine | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
how I will be able to get this money, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
and every day I need to live like this. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
I try to hide when I talk to people, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
of course I couldn't even dare to smile. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Next, a business that in the past has run into big trouble | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
for practices that some would call misleading. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Others might describe it as just downright sneaky. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
But it seems that they're up to their old tricks again, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
forcing people to hand over hundreds of pounds | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
that they simply shouldn't have to pay. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Dawn Gardener runs a hair salon in North Shields. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
She's built up the business from scratch. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
But it's not always been easy. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
It has been difficult, you know, lots of businesses do struggle. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And we are in a very small-knit community | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
and they're very loyal to the local businesses in the village, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
they are, and that's what we've actually survived on. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
To ensure things stay on track, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
Dawn keeps an eagle eye on the accounts. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I watch everything that comes through the door and everything that I order | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
and know that I can afford to pay it. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
So she was surprised when in May this year | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
she received an invoice in the post that she knew NOTHING about. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
It was from a company called Industry & Commerce, based in Spain, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
who claimed that she owed them 1,000 euros | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
for an advert that she'd placed for her business on their website. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
I opened the post and I read the letter and it said, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
thanking me for placing an advert which I've never advertised | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
in all the years I've been hairdressing. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
Along with the invoice, the company had enclosed a copy | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
of the form that Dawn had supposedly filled in to place the ad. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
But not only did this have incorrect information about the business, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
the signature on it was not hers. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
I'm the only person that receives all the post | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
and nobody else would have signed. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
She immediately rang Industry & Commerce | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
to tell them she had NEVER placed an advert through them. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
But they insisted that she had and that as the contract was now | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
out of their cooling off period, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Dawn was legally obliged to pay the money. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
I said, "How can I have a cool off period when I've not signed anything? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
"I'm contacting you today cos this is the first post I've had from you." | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
And I said I wanted to speak to somebody higher than her. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
She said that wasn't possible, just put it in an email to her, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
or to the company, which I did do. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Dawn looked into the detail of the letter | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
and she was horrified to discover | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
that hidden in the terms and conditions | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
was an agreement to sign up for three years | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
and, to make matters worse, she was threatened with court action | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
if she didn't pay up. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
So Dawn contacted Trading Standards who told her that the company | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
she'd had the letter from, Industry & Commerce, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
was actually part of a bigger company called European City Guide. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
He said that he'd had dealings with European City Guide some years ago, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
but basically to put the stuff in the bin, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
not to give them any money | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
and I was doing the right thing by contacting them. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
And that's because although Dawn had never heard about this outfit before, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Trading Standards most certainly had. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
The Industry & Commerce company operate European City Guide | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
and the local Trading Standards and the Office of Fair Trading, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
received numerous complaints from businesses, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
over probably 15 years, that they've been tricked into a contract | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
for advertising space in what they thought was a free directory. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Dawn followed Trading Standard's advice, and although she IS still | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
getting demands for payments from the company, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
she now throws them straight in the bin. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
But there are plenty of other people | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
who HAVE felt pressured into paying up, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
fearing that if they didn't it would harm their business | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
and amongst them is builder Raymond Quigley from East Kilbride. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Early part of 2009, I received a letter through the door | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
from European City Guide with all my details on it. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
At that time I was going through a bit of a problem | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
with my mother not being very well | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
and, basically, I'd seen all my details and signed it, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
sent it back, not realising what I had actually signed | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
because my mind wasn't on it, and about eight, nine months later | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
I received a letter through saying that I owed them 997 euros. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
Raymond was now locked into an expensive contract with European City Guide, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
for an advertising service that he just didn't want | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
and, indeed, couldn't afford. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
The company insisted he had no choice but to pay up. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
So, reluctantly, Raymond paid them nearly £800, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
fearing that if he didn't he would end up in court. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
He thought that that would be the end of it, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
but a few months later, the company got in touch again. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
I then got a letter in with an invoice, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
stating that their second edition was coming out | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
and I owed them 997 euro again | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
and I phoned them up and stated that I didn't. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
I'd paid last year's and had they made a mistake, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
and I got told, no, it was a contract - | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
this was a second edition. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
But this time, Raymond wasn't prepared to keep handing over cash. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
After doing some research, he realised how many | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
other business owners had been stung the same way. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
So from then on in, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
he simply ignored all further mail from the company. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
I mean, at the end of the day, they couldn't care less about you, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
they just want your money and just...that's it. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
We contacted Industry Commerce in Spain. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
They told us that they couldn't find Ray on their system | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
and as for Dawn, they just sent a copy of the same form | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
they'd sent her as proof that she'd signed up. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
Now they claim that Trading Standards has a "skewed vision" | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
of their company and it doesn't reflect the fact | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
that the order form has "become much clearer" | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
and their "product has also improved". | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
They also say as their contract is sent to "potential clients" by post, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
there's "no obligation to return it", | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
which actually sounds to us | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
like they're giving permission for you to throw it in the bin. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
Raymond has learned a very expensive lesson from his experience, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
and Trading Standards are keen to ensure | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
that nobody else is caught out the same way. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Businesses should be very, very reticent | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
in actually signing anything without checking it out first. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Even if they are large companies, the person receiving the advert | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
will probably think that someone else has actually agreed this | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
and then will sign it and send it off without giving it a thought. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
But with these sort of things, it is incumbent upon them | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
to actually check it out for themselves | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
and read all the small print, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
and the best idea is don't send anything off. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Big companies don't always make things easy to understand | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
and you've told us that it can be confusing trying to work out | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
why you haven't ended up with what you'd expected. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
So if you feel bogged down and ripped off, well, we've put together | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
a booklet of tips and advice. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
You can find a link to the new, free guide on our website... | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
..or to receive a copy in the post, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
send a stamped, self-addressed A5 envelope | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Now when Which? magazine did a survey, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
36% of the people they asked said they were finding it hard to manage | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
on their current income. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
As a result, a lot of people desperate for money will try | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and find ways to borrow it. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
And if they get no joy from the banks, many may find | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
there's no option but to turn to riskier solutions | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
such as so called payday loans. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
But there IS an alternative. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:37 | |
It's one the government has pledged millions of pounds to support | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
and like so many good ideas, it isn't a new one. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
We're talking about credit unions. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
The first one in the UK was established in 1964 | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
and there are now almost 400 of them throughout England, Scotland, and Wales. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Credit unions work by offering savings and loans | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
to their members and have traditionally appealed to people | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
on lower incomes or who don't have access to mainstream banking. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
The cost of borrowing is much lower than with payday lenders | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
and so are the risks. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:13 | |
Dawn Blow has been a credit union user for five years. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
She turned to them for help after getting into debt. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
I got a payday loan once | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
and when the payday come, they'd put that much interest onto it | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
that I couldn't afford to pay back what I'd borrowed | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
but then the month after, I had to pay more, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
which to me, that was wrong. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
My experience with credit unions has been a lot better. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
I have just borrowed £300 and I will pay £25 a week back. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:48 | |
It comes back to the interest - it's very, very low. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Despite that, at the moment, only 2% of people in the UK use | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
a credit union, compared with 75% in Ireland. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
But the government aims to change that. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
The government is about to invest | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
up to £38 million in credit unions in Britain, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
and that's because they would like to see the sector grow | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
to a completely new level, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
and serve more and more people with both a safe place | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
to put their savings but also a very good place to borrow. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
The money is to help the credit unions, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
maybe as many as 40 or 50 credit unions to change | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
and to get stronger and to have much more... | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
available to more people, but to also be more convenient. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
It's a real sign of the times that there's now a credit union being | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
set up in Kensington and Chelsea - one of richest boroughs in Britain. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
But can these small-scale operations really take on | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
the booming payday loan business? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
With nearly 10,000 users, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
the Manchester Credit Union is one of the UK's biggest. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
Our lending is increasing all the time | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
and as people are becoming aware of the credit union, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
we're getting more and more people joining. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
The way we differ is, we lend to people who don't, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
either don't have a credit history or have a poor credit history, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
and we don't hold that against people. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
You know, we can give them small loan, but it's an affordable loan, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and then once they repay that back regularly, they can borrow again. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
So we give people a chance, basically, who don't have, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
the banks don't want to lend small amounts, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
they're not interested in giving somebody a £500 loan | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
and they probably wouldn't give it to some of these people anyway. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
For Dawn, the credit union has been a lifeline | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
and kept her out of the clutches of loan sharks. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
My experience with credit unions is a lot better than going to | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
a loan shark or a bank. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
If you miss a payment, they don't put more money on, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
not like loan sharks. They put loads of money on your loan | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
and I have had bad experience with that actually. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
If you want to find out more about credit unions | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
and whether they're right for you, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
you can find out information on our website... | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Now if there's one thing that most of us want to hang on to | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
as much as our money, it's our teeth. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Frankly, nobody likes the thought of losing either. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
But as we're about to hear, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
there are some serious gaps in the way that our dentists are regulated. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
So once you put your mouth in their hands, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
if something goes seriously wrong, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
you may not have the protection that you thought you had. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Though there aren't many of us | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
who actually look forward to a visit to the dentist, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
at least we can rest safe in the chair knowing we're being treated | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
by someone who knows what they're doing. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
But unfortunately, that's not how things worked out for this patient, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Gabriella, who'd saved for years | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
for some treatment that she desperately needed. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Morning, Gabriella. How are you? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
I'm all right, thank you. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
'I had a medical condition' | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
which required years and years of treatment | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
and that treatment destroyed my teeth. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
Gabriella had four implants put in her upper jaw. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
But the work that she'd saved so hard for was not done well, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
and two years later she's still left with no teeth in her upper jaw, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
which is why she's seeing a different dentist today | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
in the hope that he can put right the disastrous work that had been done. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
Gabriella came to see me last year | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
after she had had some work done at a different practice. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
As you can see, on this shot especially, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
which is showing the four implants at the top, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
they're all different angles, all four of them. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Ideally, they should be parallel. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
But they're not, and that won't be cheap to put right. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
We're having to correct the wrong angles, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
provide her with a telescopic bridge. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
So you'll be looking at a cost of anything from £15,000 to £18,000. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
It was back in 2009 that Gabriella first visited the local dental clinic | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
where she would have her treatment, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
and made an initial payment of £4,000. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
The job was arranged for the following January | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
when she met the man who would do the work - Dr Piotr Reichel. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
He explained to me the whole procedure that would take place | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
and I agreed with this, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
so of course I trusted him. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
But that trust proved unfounded, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
which is why Gabriella is still suffering today. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Most of the UK's 39,000 dentists are self-employed, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
working out of "practices" to help cover the cost | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
of administration, premises and equipment. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
That means each working dentist is usually a separate entity, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
liable for their own mistakes. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
In order to practise, they're supposed to have insurance | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
in case anyone makes a claim against them. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
The dentist could then make a claim on this policy | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
on behalf of their patients, but Dr Reichel was no longer around... | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
..though the first sign Gabriella had of that | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
was when she went for a follow-up appointment. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
She was told another dentist was now treating Dr Reichel's patients. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
And that dentist was horrified when he examined Gabriella. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
I could see his shock, by the way he talked, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
by the way he put his hands on his head. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
I found that the implants | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
were placed wrong and nothing can be done. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
Gabriella is angry with the way the clinic then handled her case, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
feeling they weren't particularly sympathetic. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
And she had no joy in trying to contact Dr Reichel. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
As she investigated further, she discovered why. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
The General Dental Council, who regulate the industry, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
had struck him off the register of dentists | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
that are allowed to practise. The reason? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
"To prevent harm being done to patients," | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
after other complaint against him for similarly poor work. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
Dr Reichel has now returned to his native Poland | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
leaving Gabriella stuck - | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
and unsure how she can afford to put her teeth right. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I cannot even imagine how I will be able to get this money. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:41 | |
How long it's going to take me until I put this money together... | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
..and every day I need to live like this. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
'I try to hide when I talk to people.' | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
Of course, I couldn't even dare to smile now. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
Look at my lip. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
There's no lip left any more | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
because it's sunk in here. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
The corners of my mouth go...this, and more and more. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:16 | |
See, look at that. My eyes are going more. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
What can I do about this? You see. I can't do anything. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:29 | |
It's just... I don't want to look like that. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
I want to look better. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
David Coreless Smith is Gabriella's lawyer. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
We're acting for Gabriella to try | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
and persuade Dr Reichel's insurers to deal with her claim. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
During Dr Reichel's practice in the UK, he was insured with two separate insurance companies, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:49 | |
neither of those insurances are adequate. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
That leaves Gabriella in the position of having | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
a good, valid claim but no insurance to cover the claim. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
The General Dental Council DOES require dentists to have adequate insurance. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:07 | |
But there's no law that makes them do it. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
David thinks that should change. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
'There needs to be three changes in the law. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
'Firstly, it needs to be a legal requirement | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
that dentists are insured in order to practise. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
Secondly, it needs to be a legal requirement that dentists tell patients about their insurance. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
And thirdly, it needs to be a legal requirement that insurers deal with patients bringing claims. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:30 | |
We contacted Gabriella's dentist, Dr Reichel, in Poland. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
He said he'd be willing to meet us out there to explain things, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
but he didn't answer any of our questions. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
We also spoke to the clinic where the job was done, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
who've reiterated that Dr Reichel was self-employed and simply rented a room from them. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:52 | |
They say Gabriella's case is not straightforward, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
and they don't agree with the estimated cost of putting the work right. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
But they have told us they think this story is an example of how | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
the dental indemnity industry is | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
"letting the public down" by not covering | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
a patient's legitimate claim unless the insured dentist instructs them to. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
Meanwhile, the General Dental Council told us that they're working with the Department Of Health | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
on plans that it's hoped by October of next year | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
will make it mandatory for dentists and other health professionals | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
to have indemnity cover if they're involved in treating patients. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
And Gabriella - with no end in sight to her problems - | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
feels that such changes can't come a moment too soon. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
The best thing that can be done is that all... | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
all the organisations work together with the same purpose - | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
to create a law for us, to protect us. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:04 | |
Confused over your bills? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Trying to wade through never-ending small print? | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
When they sit you down to sign up for things, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
they don't really give you the chance or the time to read through all of that small print. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
and that "great deal" has ended up costing you money? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
You feel as though, because you've got a cheap deal, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
you are not worth their time in the same way. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
the mistakes that you've made with us, so that others don't do the same. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
I feel angry. I feel stupid that I'd allowed this to happen to me. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
..or send us an email to... | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
I think we would all agree that absolutely no-one likes feeling | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
that they've had a raw deal, but when there's a lot of money involved, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
well, that just makes it even worse. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
And certainly for the people that we've met in today's stories, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
it was money they simply could not afford to lose. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
Well, at Rip-Off Britain, we're here to fight your corner if the same thing happens to you, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
but of course, we'd far rather you didn't need to write to us at all, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
and that every pound you spend does exactly the job you want it to. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
So, to make that happen, it does pay to know your rights | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
and to really do your research before you agree to hand over your hard-earned cash. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
You could save yourself a lot of hassle further down the line. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Well, I'm afraid that's where we've got to leave it for today, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
but we'll see you next time to look at more of your stories. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
-But until then, from the whole team, bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
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