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We asked you to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off, and | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
you couldn't tacted us in your thousands, by -- contacted us in | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
your thousands, by phone, e-mail, even stopping us on the streets, | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
the message could not be clearer. Things weren't right, it was | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
costing me time and money, it was like, does anybody listen? | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
Unfortunately these companies are more motivated by their share price | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
than actually looking after the customer. You have told us with | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
money tighter than ever, you need to make sure every pound you spend | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
is worth it. How do I get my money back, I think I'm entitled to it. | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
Whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake, or a catch in the | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
small print, we will find out why you are out of pocket, and what you | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
can do about it. Keep asking the questions, keep, go | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
to the top, if you have to. We do get results, that is the | :01:26. | :01:33. | |
interesting thing. Your stories, your money, this is Rip Off Britain. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
Hello and welcome to Rip Off Britain, the series that tries to | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
ensure that whenever you spend your money, whether it is pounds or | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
pennies, you are really getting exactly what you paid for. | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
But, unfortunately, that's often not the case. So today we are | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
investigating situations where you have told us you have had a raw | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
deal, either because you have had poor value for money, or bad | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
customer service, or, in some cases, both at the same time. | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
What makes the cases we have been hearing about especially | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
frustrating, is it is the find of situation that could happen to | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
every single one of us. As well as finding out what has gone wrong, we | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
will have advice about how to stop the same things happening to you. | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
Coming up, the secondhand car dealer who proves the industry | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
still has its share of rogues. they have the money and the car. We | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
felt we are being taken for ale foo. The true -- For a fool. The true | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
value of high street gift vouchers, what happens when the shop won't | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
honour them? They wouldn't take the voucher, to my mind that was a �10. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
The Rip Off Britain Pop-Up Shop tackles your problems head on. | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
When you have paid top whack for a hotel that is supposed to be in a | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
league of its own, you are bound to be a bit disappointed if it doesn't | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
come quite up to scratch. While nobody expects everything to be pr | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
effect, when even the rep says the place should have been downgraded, | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
how much of that should you have been told about before you packed | :03:08. | :03:16. | |
your suitcase. Clear blue skies, perfect beaches. | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
No wonder the Maldives are marketed as the ultimate tropical paradise. | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
It seemed the ideal choice when Dawn and Bill decided to blow their | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
savings on a perfect getaway. special reason for the holiday was | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
it was the first time that Bill and I were going on holiday together. | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
We wanted it to be something really special. We both had pretty rough | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
couple of years, and we decided that, actually, we were going to | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
splash out and have a really nice holiday I had always wanted to have | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
a holiday with one of the villas, where it was over the sea, and he's | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
a mad, keen fisherman, we decided to go to the Maldives. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Rather than booking on-line, they decided to visit a travel agent. | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
must felt that by speaking to somebody we would be able to select | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
a holiday that was much more appropriate to us, than just | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
booking off the Internet. We shopped around, looked at other | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
places, they weren't really that helpful, so we went into Thomson's, | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
and sat down and chatted to them, and felt that they were giving us | :04:20. | :04:29. | |
the right answers to the requirements we had. All they had | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
to do now was decide where to say, they were recommend today one of | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
Thomson's most impressive-sounding resorts, then called Cinnamon | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
Island. It was a platinum hole day, a four/5-star, it was a gold medal | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
winner, we thought it would be really nice. It certainly sounds | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
like that on the website, which describes it as "the ultimate cast | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
Ye experience", with a "tropical feel". When we saw pictures of the | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
resort it looked lovely. It looked like a real paradise. We thought | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
this is the one, this is the one we are going to chose. Dawn and Bill | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
went ahead and booked, although paradise does come at a price, in | :05:14. | :05:22. | |
this case �4,350. So, not cheap. But they couldn't wait to set off. | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
Unfortunately, when they arrived, there wasn't much sparkle to | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
Thomson's top-range platinum experience. When we arrived at the | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
eye, my first impressions were that it was not quite how the pictures | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
looked. It looked quite tatty, and quite worn. I was just thinking, oh | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
dear. I hope that our Villa is a little bit better than what this | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
looks like. Sadly, it wasn't what Dawn had expected for the money. | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
When we got to the Villa, I have to say my heart dropped. There were | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
wires hanging out of the wall. The roof was falling in, in some bits. | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
When we looked at the outside bathroom we had green mould, algae | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
all over the floor. The downstairs bathroom was outside, so for | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
privacy it had wooden shrat, but you could also see through the | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
shrats, so for privacy we had pieces of fabric, but they were | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
frayeded with holes all over them. Things didn't improve, it was not | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
an idyllic stroll to the beach. three days we had the rubbish boat, | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
which had rusty pieces of metal, it had tanks on it, all sorts of | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
rubbish on it, we had to climb, in rough seas, across this boat, to | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
get on to our boat that would take us to the sand strip, on one case | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
the sea was quite rough, we had to climb in the windows of our boat to | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
get on to it. After the third or fourth day when the scrap boat came | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
to the jety, I think we just thought we really just want to go | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
home. Things weren't any better by the pool. Which the website had | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
described as "styled to the nines". The sun loungers either needed | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
painting, cleaning, or throwing away. The island was just so tired, | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
and so, it looked wornout. I just thought, what's going on? | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
This isn't what the brochure says. I was really, really unhappy. | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
and Bill certainly didn't feel that they were getting a platinum | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
experience worth more than �4,000. So they phoned the local Thomson | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
rep to say so. She said she wasn't going to come to the island, it | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
would take her a day to fly to the island, but that she would talk to | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
the management and try to get them to sort it out, which it didn't | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
happen. But the rep did pass on an intriguing piece of information, | :07:50. | :07:57. | |
telling them that the resort had been downgraded. Her stance was | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
that we should have been told before we went to the island and | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
given the chance to choose a different place to go to. But that | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
hadn't happened, and when we checked the website several months | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
later, although the resort was now advertised under its new name, the | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
J Resort Alidhoo, there was still nothing to suggest it had been | :08:17. | :08:25. | |
downgraded in any way. I have to say I'm feeling completely letdown | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
by Thomson's, I went into the branch who sold us the holiday. I | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
spoke to the assistant manager, she was really helpful. She agreed we | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
should get a refund, but head office did have the power to sort | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
it out for me. Dawn contacted head office, who offered her �175 off | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
another holiday, which she rejected. When they upped their offer to | :08:48. | :08:56. | |
either �330 cash, or �500 voucher, to spend with them. She said no to | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
that too. They increased their offer to �500, but that was off a | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
holiday with them. I thought there is no way I'm having another | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
holiday with you, because of what we have already had, so I was not | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
going to send spend any more money on another holiday. We got in touch | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
with Thomson, who said, they are sorry that Dawn and Bill were | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
disappointed by their hole day, and having reviewed the complaint again, | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
they -- holiday, and having reviewed the complaint again, they | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
would like to increase the amount of the "goodwill gesture for the | :09:28. | :09:36. | |
Ishinomaki use they have experienced", they have offered | :09:36. | :09:43. | |
�1,500,. They said the resort was never downgraded, despite what the | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
rep said, but they do regularly monitor hotels to meet high | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
standards the customers expect. As a result this resort is no longer | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
featured in Thomson's holiday programme. | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
But Dawn is still disappointed that the memories of her holiday are not | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
one that is she can treasure, next time she will be more cautious | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
about how she chooses her destination. I'm very wary now | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
about my holidays and who I book them with. I will now only book | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
through recommendation. I certainly wouldn't book from a brochure. It | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
is upsetting, because it is a holiday we can't get back, our | :10:21. | :10:28. | |
first holiday together, you can't replace that. That was ruined. | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
Next, a couple who made a purchase that they really thought was going | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
to improve their lives. They bought a car. But, in fact, it did nothing | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
of the sort. Because although they couldn't wait to hit the road, once | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
they did, they soon came to a grinding halt. | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
Every day last year an average of 18,500 secondhand cars were sold in | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
England, Scotland and Wales. It's not long since Dr Kabas and his | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
wife bought one of them. No more public transport for them, you | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
might think. So why then, are they waiting for a bus? It all started | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
back in September 2009, the couple both suffer from ill-health and | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
needed car. So their friends and family lent them the money to buy | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
one. I couldn't believe how lucky I am | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
to have such a nice family and friends, that they were willing to | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
collect money for us to buy the car. I'm really thankful forever for | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
them. With the cash sorted, all they needed now of the perfect | :11:37. | :11:47. | |
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vehicle. They looked on the car trade website Autotrader, a seven- | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
seater Mercedes, and ideal for their four children and them. They | :11:53. | :12:02. | |
immediately called their dealer, of the The Old Stable Car Co, not to | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
be confused with any other company, and all the arrangements were made. | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
The arrangement was he delivered the car, because we couldn't go | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
there, it was too many miles. deal was they would pay John | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
Staniland a �2,000 deposit with a debit card over the phone, and the | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
remaining, �4,300 would be due in cash on delivery of the car. | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
were delighted, it is too good to be true, now we can have a car, we | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
can be independent and our problems solved. The dealer delivered the | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
car to their home as promised, although the couple wanted to take | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
it out for a test drive straight away, but the couple were told that | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
wasn't possible, as they didn't have insurance. As the car came | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
with a three-month guarantee, they weren't that worried. So Dr Kabas | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
handed over the remaining money, all �4,300, in cash. | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
We were so sure that was the car we wanted, we were just quite happy. | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
The following day, with the car now taxed and sured, the family took to | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
the open road. But after just minutes, the car brokedown, as it | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
approached a business -- insured, the family took the car on the open | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
road, it brokedown on a round about. The children were screaming, the | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
cars were going to hit us, it was a very bad experience. I was really | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
shocked. I couldn't, I didn't know what to do. I just wanted to cry. | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
Horrified, they took the car to a local Mercedes garage, where they | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
were told the last thing they wanted to hear. Both the engine and | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
the gear box were faulty. And it would cost around �3,000 to fix | :13:48. | :13:55. | |
them. I couldn't believe it, I was just | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
in tears, how can I afford this amount of money. Remember, they had | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
only bought the car the day before. Still, at least it had come with a | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
three-month guarantee. They phoned the dealer, John Staniland, asking | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
for the car to be fixed, or the money back. Every time he made | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
excuses, he didn't pick up the phone. He's busy, he's on the road | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
driving. The couple contacted Trading Standards, who advised them | :14:24. | :14:33. | |
to write to John S st, aniland -- Staniland, and reject the vehicle | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
because the car was faulty. They were also advised to have an | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
independent inspector to test the car. Within minutes when the engine | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
started to warm it suffered from catastrophic power loss, it was | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
unsafe to use on the road. might think the dealer might want | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
to put right a dangerous car, even with Trading Standards on the case, | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
it took John Staniland over a year to even agree to fix it. When he | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
did finally come and collect the car, in April 2011, that was the | :15:05. | :15:13. | |
last they saw of it. I think now he has the money and the car, we felt | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
you know we are being taken for a fool. | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
In desperation, nearly two years after they had parted with their | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
cash, Dr Kabas decided the only option was to take John Staniland | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
to court. They hoped they would find out what happened to their car | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
and money. Unfortunately, he didn't show up. | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
But it did seem as if their luck was beginning to change. | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
judgment was in our favour to Mr Staniland to give us our money back. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
We thought justice had been done, but sadly enough, it wasn't. | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
Despite being ordered by the court, John Staniland did not return any | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
of the money. Refusing to give up, Dr Kabas paid a bailiff's company | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
to enforce the court order, even they returned defeated. They said | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
they went to his place a few times, but they can't speak to him because | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
he has a very tall fence, they send him e-mails and tried telephoning | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
him, all in vain, they could not locate Mr John Staniland. In March | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
this year, there was a further twist, the couple received a letter | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
from the DVLA, saying someone was trying to register the car, leading | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
them to believe that John Staniland was selling on the car they owned. | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
What a surprise he's trying to sell the car, he has the money and the | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
car and he's trying to sell it again. We asked John Staniland to | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
explain himself. But he hasn't bothered to answer any of our | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
questions. We know he got at least one of our letters, because we | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
delivered it to his premises ourselves. And when we did, we | :17:01. | :17:09. | |
could see exactly what the bailiffs were up against. So, Dr Kabas and | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
his family have been left high and dry. And with the police unable to | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
help because it is a civil matter, the family are still without their | :17:19. | :17:26. | |
car or their �6,300. I was deeply disappointed, because | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
we lost the money that we got from family and friends, we let them | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
down. The way I feel at the moment is disgusted with the whole ordeal. | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
If you want to join the millions of people who do safely manage to buy | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
a used car, then Sylvia Rook from Trading Standards has more advice | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
on how to make that right purchase. When buying a car from a motor | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
dealer you have rights under the Sale of Goods Act that the car | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
should be of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose and as described. | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
If you have a problem with the motorcar, you can go back to the | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
dealer to get your money back or a repair. If you buy a car from a | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
private seller, you have fewer rights under the Sale of Goods Act. | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
The right you have is that goods should be as described, that means, | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
if you have a problem with the car being faulty, you don't have a | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
claim against the private seller. For that reason it is very | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
important you ask lots of questions and do a lot of checks if you are | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
buying from a private seller. If you have used a credit card to put | :18:29. | :18:36. | |
a deposit down on a motorcar, then the credit card company is label | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
under the credit card consumer act, then you can go to the dealer and | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
the credit card company or both. Always examine a car thoroughly | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
before you buy it, look for places where the paint doesn't match, it | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
might be resprayed after an accident, look for spots of | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
rewelding, if you have any doubts, won't buy T always make sure there | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
is the correct documentation with the vehicle before you buy T check | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
the registration document to make sure the VIN number matches the | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
vehicle, and all names and addresses match up, that way you | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
are less likely to have a stolen vehicle. Always get a history check | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
on it, that will tell you if there was outstanding finance on the | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
vehicle, whether it is an insurance write-off or the vehicle has been | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
stolen. It may cost a little bit more, but it is worth it in the | :19:25. | :19:33. | |
long run. Overnight we transferred this space | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
into a drop-in consumer advice shop, where we met hundreds of you face- | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
to-face. There is one particular group of | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
consumers who felt they were getting a really raw deal. One of | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
the big problems we get here in Rip Off Britain is all to do with | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
motoring, cars, the cost of petrol, everything, in fact, to get your | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
car on the road. And getting back behind the wheel of her new car is | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
proving very difficult for Amily. bought a car in January, it was | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
brand new, I only had it ten weeks and it developed a fault. I have | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
taken it back to the garage four times, complained to head office | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
twice, and I still don't have a resolution. You are covered by the | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
Sale of Goods Act, when you buy a car it must be of satisfactory | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
quality and remain so for a reasonable period of time. From | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
what you are saying your car is not of satisfactory quality. If they | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
areing saying they send it off to somewhere else they should provide | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
a replacement car so you are not inconvienced at all. If you suffer | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
any losses or miss any work, you can claim what is called | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
consequential losses, you can claim those losses from the garage where | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
you bought the vehicle. Do you feel better now? I do. Good luck, I hope | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
you get it sorted. Also within our advice shop, the | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
literacy and numeracy team from BBC Skills Wise, has put together a | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
series of practical scenarios to test your consumer skills. There is | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
one handy device in particular, that is helping make sure you are | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
getting the best deal. I break out into a cold sweat when percentages | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
are mentioned, you have something there that can help? Sometimes when | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
you are in a shop where there is a discount, you can't work out the | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
prices all the time. We have developed a tool that you can | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
simply slide up the price, slide down the discounts, and it will | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
tell you what the final price is. You can download it straightaway on | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
to your phone? Yes details are on the Skillswise website. Another | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
consumer was concerned she was getting a raw deal on her loan | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
agreement, that was Margaret, she popped in to see our finance expert | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
to get some advice. I took out a loan with a loan company 14 years | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
ago, I'm still paying, I only took it out for �11,000, they are saying | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
I still owe �26,000. Given the high rate of interest you are paying on | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
the loan, you really do need to do something about it. I would | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
strongly advise you to get some free advice, speak to the National | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
Debtline and Consumer Credit Counselling service, and see what | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
they think about challenging the agreement. It is the fairness of | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
the agreement, is there anything they should have done, have they | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
done anything that is subsequently wrong, you may find that if it is | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
the debt might be written off. Thank you very much for your advice. | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
Still to come, counting the cost and the words of that small print. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
The extraordinary length of the terms and conditions we sign up to | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
every day. I think the small print is so small sometimes that people, | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
they can't be bothered to read it, you could be signing your soul away. | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
It is not always easy to know what to buy as a present, even if it is | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
for someone you have known for years. Which is why rather than | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
risk getting it wrong, most of us, at some point, have fallen back on | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
the trustee gift voucher, you spend the money and they choose the | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
present they want. Simple, isn't it. Why are some people finding they | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
can't redeem their vouchers from the high street store, whose name | :23:11. | :23:19. | |
is written all over the front. It's almost that time of year again. | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
But finding the perfect Christmas present can take a lot of effort, | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
and cost a lot of money. Which is why, when you're buying | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
for a loved one, and you know exactly where they like to shop, a | :23:30. | :23:40. | |
:23:40. | :23:40. | ||
voucher, or gift card, can seem an ideal solution. Great Britain -- | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
that is exactly what Marie thought when she was looking for a present | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
for her mother Pat. She wanted something easy to find and wrap and | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
something they would definitely use. She plumped for a gift voucher from | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
the clothing store Peacocks. It was a couple of weeks before Christmas, | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
I had bought my sister and my mum a present, I thought because they do | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
so much for me, I would like to give them something more, and I | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
know they both like shopping at Peacocks. Unknown to Marie, | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
Peacocks was about to become the latest high street shop to come | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
into trouble. A few week after she handed over her presents, it was | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
announced the chain was in administration. While a buyer was | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
sought, its shops were still trading. Maria's mum thought she | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
better spend the voucher at the local branch after seeing the news. | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
I went into town and had a word with the staff, they said there was | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
a problem, and they would probably all be losing their jobs. So I was | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
quite happy that I got in with the voucher when I did. Two days later | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
Pat returned to the same store, this time to spend her daughter | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
Elizabeth's voucher on her behalf. I picked up a few things, when I | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
got to the counter they said they are sorry they can't accept the | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
vouchers any more, they are invalid. Pat was told the voucher was now | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
useless. They just would not accept the voucher at all, despite the | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
fact that, to my mind, that voucher was, in effect, a �10, so we were | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
left with a voucher that we couldn't use. The store had, of | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
course, already accepted the money to purchase the voucher, but, | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
perhaps surprisingly, that didn't mean the store was obliged to | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
honour it. Many people that vouchers or gift cars are as good | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
as a bank note, they are real cash, they are not. They are a promise, | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
by the company that issues them, to let you spend that much money. If | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
that company goes out of business, goes into administration, or goes | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
bankrupt, then that promise, of course, dies with the company. And | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
this really does frustrate people, because when a company goes into | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
administration, it will problem still be running in some way, they | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
will still be the same shops on the high street, they will be owned by | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
the administrators, not by the firm. And those administrators have | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
absolutely no obligation to honour the promises that were made. Back | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
in the Wirral, Pat of determined to get her money back for her daughter. | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
But the official statement from the administrators didn't offer much | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
hope. It said voucher holders will count as unsecured creditor, and as | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
such could complete a form to make a claim. But it made clear that due | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
to the financial situation at Peacock, they are likely to see a | :26:27. | :26:34. | |
nominal return. Pat and Marie did make a claim, as | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
the administrators advised, they were astonished by the response. | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
the bottom of this letter we got back, it says "based on the current | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
information, the dividend is estimated to be 0.7p in the pound, | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
this means the likely return for a gift voucher with a value of �10 | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
will be 7p". Can you believe that? 7p, it is an absolute insult. | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
Peacocks was bought by Edinburgh Woolen Mill last February, but the | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
store has confirmed, gift karlds bought prior to administration, | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
won't -- giftcards bought prior to administration, won't be honoured. | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
KPMG said though they sympathise, they are bound by the law on how | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
they deal with the claims of unsecured creditors, and it is | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
common practice for administrators not to honour gift vouchers. | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
So, whatever else this family give each other this Christmas, you can | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
bet it won't be a voucher or a gift card. I certainly won't be buying a | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
piece of plastic again, it is not worth it. It is a rubbish present. | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
It was a nice thought. It's not your fault it went wrong. We might | :27:43. | :27:52. | |
get 7p! If something is sold for one specific purpose, that is | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
exactly what you are meant to get. So you can understand why the | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
couple we're about to meet were livid after what they bought failed | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
to live up to the one simple promise. It is a type of insurance | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
that sounds clear-cut, but an increasing number of people have | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
found it's far from that. Whether you get it new or secondhand, one | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
of the most frustrating things about buying a car is how quickly | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
it depreciate in value. Which is why what is known as gap insurance | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
seems such a good idea. If your vehicle is written off, it covers | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
the difference between what the car was worth at the time it was | :28:31. | :28:38. | |
damaged, and what you paid in the first place. | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
Neil and Denise Thomson had never heard of it until five years ago | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
Denise bought a secondhand car on finance. And, immediately | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
afterwards, the dealer rang suggesting gap insurance was | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
something she would need. I asked him what the gap insurance was, and | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
they explained that any loss on the vehicle, that it pays the | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
difference, the outstanding difference to the finance company. | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
I took the policy out, because it wasn't expensive. The dealer | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
arranged the finance and gap insurance through the same company, | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
although Denise and Neil didn't see the paperwork. The actual policy | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
was sold to my wife over the phone, and she agreed to sign up for it | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
over the phone. There was no paperwork. But the policy seemed a | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
very good thing to have, because, if the car was declared a total | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
loss, it would cover the shortfall between what the vehicle was valued | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
at, and any remaining finance. Of course, the Thomson's hoped nothing | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
would ever happen to the car. But, three years later, it did. | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
August my son borrowed the car to go to his girlfriend's father's | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
work place, he left the car there, and they came home, and we got a | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
phone call from the police, I think it was, saying that the car had | :29:55. | :30:03. | |
been set on fire. The unprovoked arson attack totally destroyed the | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
car. Denise was gutted, it was her pride and joy, she used the car | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
nearly every day, so, she was gutted. At the time the Thomson's | :30:14. | :30:22. | |
owed �6064 to the finance company. �4475 of that was quickly paid off | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
under their car insurance. And they were confident that the remaining | :30:26. | :30:33. | |
shortfall of �1,589 would be paid off by their gap insurance. | :30:34. | :30:41. | |
Afterall, the G-A-P in gap insurance, standed for guaranteed | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
asset protection. Much to the couples' surprise the policy paid | :30:45. | :30:51. | |
out only half of that, leaving them with �738 still owed. When it came | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
down to what the primary insurer actually paid to the finance | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
company, the gap insurance should have then paid the difference, they | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
didn't, that is the whole crux of the matter, they didn't keep their | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
end of the bargain on the gap insurance. The gap insurer, the | :31:10. | :31:17. | |
London General Insurance Company Ltd, reduced to pay the amount, | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
because they said when Denise bought the car, they paid more than | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
market value, and they considered it to be negative equity and not | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
their responsibility. But Neil didn't agree. And he was determined | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
to get what he felt was owed. So, he asked the company to send him | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
the policy documents. When we actually got the policy documents, | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
the terms and conditions in it were so awkward to understand, as a lay | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
person, who had never any dealings with insurance companies in this | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
manner, it was very difficult. refusing to give up, Neil dug a bit | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
deeper. He had a look at his insurer's website, and found a big | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
gap between the way the insurance was described in the paperwork he | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
was sent, and how it was explained on-line. When I looked at the | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
website, it was dead clear, the policy that they were selling was | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
dead clear. It was very, very simple to understand. So when we | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
got the terms and conditions, it made it looks a though they were | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
two different policies. The website wording seemed clear, that the | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
policy would pay the outstanding balance at the time of the loss to | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
the finance company. So, armed with this information, Neil took his | :32:28. | :32:34. | |
case to the Financial Ombudsman Service. I formally wrote to them | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
complaining about the gap insurance. I detailed all the paperwork that I | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
had, and sent many, many reams of paper off to them for them to | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
consider. The adjudicator came down on our side saying they were right, | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
and the gap insurance should have said the correct amount and hadn't. | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
But that wasn't the end of it. The insurers disputed that decision, on | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
the grounds that although it was their policy, it hadn't been they | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
that had sold it to Denise. I was annoyed and angry about, that they | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
were trying to absolve their responsibility. So I think they | :33:09. | :33:19. | |
:33:19. | :33:19. | ||
were just being obstructive once again, not want to go pay what was | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
due. It was left to the Financial Ombudsman Service to decide. They | :33:25. | :33:32. | |
agreed Neil and Denise should have been paid the amount, and the terms | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
and conditions were not clear enough, and the website was | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
misleading. I was absolutely delighted because at every stage we | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
have been right regarding what the policy was, and just vindicated for | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
all the hard work we had put in over the two years to try to get it | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
settle. When we contacted the insurance company, they reiterated | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
in their opinion the issue here was to do with the way the policy was | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
sold. And they believed they calculated the settlement correctly. | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
But they confirmed they had accepted the ombudsman's decision, | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
and paid the money. Neil and Denise aren't the only ones to find that | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
gap insurance doesn't always do quite what it says on the tin. Over | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
the last years complaints to the Financial Ombudsman Service about | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
this kind of policy increased by 17%. If you are getting this kind | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
of policy, keep in mind it may not always be as straight forward or | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
clear cut as it appears. I would say to other people be very, very | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
careful when you are taking gap insurance out, that you understand | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
the terms and conditions that they may not pay out at the end of it. | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
Because of certain elements within the terms and conditions, be very, | :34:40. | :34:49. | |
very clear on what you are buying. Sometimes when you feel ripped off, | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
it could be you that's made a mistake. Perhaps you didn't read | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
the small print, or realise the consequences of what you signed up | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
to. Whoever is at fault, when things go wrong, you need to know | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
what to do about it. We put together a booklet of tips and | :35:05. | :35:12. | |
advice, you can find a link to the new free guide on our website. | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
Or to receive a copy in the post, send a stamped self-addressed A5 | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
envelope to the address we will give you right at the end of the | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
programme. Here at Rip Off Britain we always | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
say, don't forget to read the small print. But because the terms and | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
conditions we sign up to are so long, and sometimes quite frankly, | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
extremely confusing, you can understand why some people find it | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
easier not to bother analysing the small print. In fact the Office of | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
Fair Trading says one in ten of us are sign contracts without reading | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
a single word. According to the experts, it is | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
words like these in a contract, that are most likely to leave you | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
drowning in a sea of small print. Words too many of you never | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
question, and words some of you never even read. I never bother | :36:05. | :36:13. | |
reading it t I just tick the box, and hope nothing -- I just tick the | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
box and hope nothing happens. should read it, if you don't it is | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
your own fault. They don't give you the chance and time to read through | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
all the small print. The small print is so small people can't be | :36:24. | :36:31. | |
bothered to read it, you could be signing your soul away. The Plain | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
English Campaign continually hear from consumers who fail to read the | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
small print. Many of us don't read the terms and conditions, the | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
problem is as soon as you tick the box and put your name on the boted | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
line, you have given up all chance -- dotted line, you have given up | :36:48. | :36:58. | |
:36:58. | :37:02. | ||
all chance of resource -- replying. It is written in tiny packed | :37:02. | :37:08. | |
sentences, full of industry jargon and terminology we don't use on a | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
regular basis. Why do companies make their conditions so difficult | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
to wade through. The office in fair trading says one in five people | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
would have had some sort of difficulty with a consumer contract | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
just in the past year, and while not all of those will be serious, | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
as we see all too often on this programme, getting caught out by | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
the small print can result in a significant loss of money. Who are | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
the worst offenders, and which industry do consumers have the most | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
problems with, when it comes to contracts. A recent report carried | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
out by YouGov, did a survey to work out exactly that. Telecoms and | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
internet contracts came top of the list, where consumers had | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
experienced problems in the last 12 months, closely followed by home | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
entertainment products like television systems, mobile phones | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
and delivery services featured high up on the list of complaints. Is | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
one reason people fall foul of contracts simply that they are too | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
long and wordy to wade through. To read or not to read, that is the | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
question. With contracts and paperwork, how many words are too | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
many words? Which? Magazine totted up the words in the terms and | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
conditions for the Internet payment service PayPal, believe it or not, | :38:26. | :38:33. | |
they found there were 36,000 of them, that is 6,000 words longer | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
than Shakespeare's Hamlet. Then there is iTunes, they totted up the | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
words in their terms and conditions, believe it or not there were almost | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
20,000 of them, making them longer than Macbeth, which makes you | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
wonder how many of the hundreds of thousands of people who have signed | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
up to iTunes terms have actually read them. How many just ticked the | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
box to say they had, but, in fact, didn't bother. The information is | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
not presented in a way that is accessible for most people. I never | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
read through anything I tick or sign, people know that. The very | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
first time I got iTunes, years and years ago, every time there is an | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
update, I have to say yes to something, I wouldn't, not any more, | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
not on iTunes. ITunes didn't want to comment. But PayPal said, that | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
although they recognise their user agreement is rather long, it | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
contains a huge amount of information about their services, | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
protection policies and much more. They say they summarised the key | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
points at the start, and then links allow you to jump straight to the | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
relevant section. And although they do think it is clear, they are now | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
looking at how to make it shorter. The Plain English Campaign, has | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
come up with a way to encourage big companies to make their contracts | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
easier to understand. The Plain English Campaign decided they | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
needed some kind of guide for the public to recognise clear | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
information. That is what the Chris kal Mark provides, people -- the | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
Crystal Mark provides, people should look out for it, whether in | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
the doctors' surgery or medical leaflets, or in your energy bills, | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
so if it has the Crystal Mark it has been through the Plain English | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
he had bitting process. The best thing with a contract if you don't | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
understand it, don't sign it. Take extra care going through the small | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
print for anything that is particularly expensive, or you are | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
dealing with a business you are not familiar with. If you are talking | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
to someone on the telephone, get them to send your their terms and | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
conditions before signing up. Don't get caught out because you haven't | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
had the time or haven't bothered to even look at the paperwork. And we | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
have seen more advice on this on our website. I think you know it by | :40:43. | :40:53. | |
:40:53. | :40:53. | ||
now, but it is below. Here at Rip Off Britain, we are | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
always ready to investigate more of your stories. Confuses over your | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
bills? Trying to wade your way through neverending small print? | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
should read it, but it is not in plain English, it should be simple, | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
ABC, very basic stuff. Unsure what to do when you discover you have | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
lost out and that great dole has ended up costing you money. You get | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
home and you get your bill, it is �70 and it is meant to be �35, it | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
is just basically you get ripped off, don't you. | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
You might have cautionary tale of your own and want to share the | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
mistake s you made with us so other people don't do the same thing. | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
feel angry and stupid that I had allowed this to happen to me. | :41:35. | :41:45. | |
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Don't forget the Rip Off team is ready and waiting to investigate | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
your stories. I guess we all know that sometimes | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
things do happen and it's nobody's fault. But as we have been seeing | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
today, there are plenty of situations where, in truth, more | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
could so easily have been done to make sure that you really did have | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
the full picture before you ever handed over your cash. | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
Because if something has been sold a certain way, it is not | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
unreasonable for you to expect that is what you are going to get. If | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
it's not the case, or for some reason things turn out to be less | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
straight forward than you expected, it really should have been plainged | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
up in advance. Not -- flagged up in advance. | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
And not left for you to find out until it is too late. Keep your | :42:36. | :42:39. |