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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off.

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And you contacted us in your thousands, by post, e-mail,

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even stopping us on the street.

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And the message could not be clearer.

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There's too much focus on profit and less on, like, customer care.

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It's so hard to complain. Companies make it so difficult to complain.

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You told us, with money tighter than ever,

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you need to be sure that every pound counts.

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All my money is very hard-earned.

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So when I go to spend it, I expect value for money.

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So whether it's a deliberate rip off, a simple mistake,

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or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and I'm glad you could join us on Rip-Off Britain today,

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because we're going to be telling you everything

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you need to know about the latest scams.

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What they are, how they work, and most importantly,

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how you can avoid being taken in by them.

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Well, I'm sure you know that scams come in many shapes and sizes.

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Sometimes they're presented as an opportunity -

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perhaps even one that the people behind the scam

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think might actually pay off. But other times,

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you'll be targeted in a way that makes it sound like

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they're protecting you from the fraudsters

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when, of course, exactly the opposite is true.

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However they're dressed up, what all scams have in common

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is that they're designed quite simply to relieve you of your cash.

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So, by the end of the programme, you'll be a lot better prepared

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to make sure that the next money any of them get hold of isn't from you.

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On today's programme, how this woman handed over nearly £7,000

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to fraudsters who convinced her they were from her bank...

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My daughter said my face was whiter than my hair

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when I came out of the bank.

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An online scam targeting users at one of the best-known

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shopping sites around...

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It makes you really angry.

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You know, these people can just sit at home

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and just take money from you that you've saved for years.

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You know, and one click of a button and it's gone.

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And scam-busting advice from the experts at our pop-up shop.

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Now, it's a very sad fact of life that there will always be people

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who'll do whatever they can to con you out of your hard-earned cash.

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And they're finding even more elaborate ways of doing it these days.

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Perhaps unsurprisingly,

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it's bank accounts that are particularly targeted,

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with billions of pounds lost each year to fraudsters

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who've managed to get their hands on somebody else's money.

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Now, to do it, they're using a scam that we're hearing

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more and more examples of in the programme.

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And next time, they could very easily be targeting you.

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But don't worry, because we're going to tell you everything

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you need to know as to how to avoid being taken in.

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The phone rings...

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-Hello?

-'Hello. I'm calling from Visa...'

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..the caller says they're from your bank card provider

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and there's been suspicious activity on your account.

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He reassures you that they're dealing with it.

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He just needs a few details

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to make sure that you are the account holder.

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The caller is a fraudster, creating an elaborate scam

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to try and trick you into handing over your financial details.

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Now, of course, we've investigated scams like this in the past

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but, as you might imagine,

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criminals like these are always developing and expanding tactics

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to try and find new ways of getting hold of your money.

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Here's a scenario that all sounds very plausible, all very believable.

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But in fact, from beginning to end, it's a pack of lies.

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Hilary Jeffrey received one of these calls earlier this year.

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Whoever was calling wasn't from her bank at all,

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but an audacious fraudster.

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They phoned up and said they were phoning from Visa

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because there'd been some unusual activity on my card.

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There'd been five items taken from my account online.

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Now, she was suspicious of the caller, but felt reassured

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when she was told to hang up

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and call the number on the back of her card

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to be sure that she was speaking to her bank.

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So that's what she did.

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But the person on the other end of the phone had not hung up

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when that first conversation had ended.

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Unknown to Hilary,

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this meant the call connection was automatically kept open.

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Hilary thought she was calling her bank,

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but in fact she was still on the line to the fraudster.

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I'm not sure I heard a dialling tone, I'll be quite honest.

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I heard a ring tone, certainly. And then the phone was answered.

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So even at that stage, you thought it was going through.

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I thought it was going straight through to the bank, yes.

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The fraudster was still there,

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waiting to put the next stage of the scam into action -

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passing the phone over to an accomplice,

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pretending to be from her bank.

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I've just had a phone call from Visa,

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saying there's been some unusual activity on my card.

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Hilary was told that they had set up a new safe account for her,

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and that she had to transfer her balance across.

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They then took me

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through the process of moving my money into a new account,

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which I corroborated with my card reader.

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And they said a new credit card would be with me within a week

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and we signed off.

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They then sent me a text on my mobile,

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informing me that a new account had been set up in my name.

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It all seemed completely above board.

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But Hilary was the victim of a well-executed fraud.

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So as far as you were concerned...

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As far as I was concerned, it was just normal.

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They were taking precautions

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so that nobody could get at that account again.

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So how much, then, did you transfer out of your account?

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Well, they took the total amount I had, including my overdraft limit.

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And it was £6,774.15.

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And to further deceive her, shortly afterwards,

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the fraudster rang back, saying an appointment had been booked

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to discuss the situation the next day at her local branch of the bank.

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I walked into the bank and I said to the girl there,

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"I've got an appointment at one o'clock with Laura." And she looked

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on the list, she said,

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"I haven't got you down for an appointment."

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My daughter said my face was whiter than my hair when I came out of the bank.

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And she was worried about me driving home, because the first thing I did,

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I got in the car and my foot slipped on the pedal!

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-Just sheer nerves.

-How did you feel at that stage?

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I felt furious that I'd been... I let myself do it.

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-So, furious with yourself?

-With myself. Yes, yes.

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I feel that people have got to know about this business of being

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able to hold the phone line open, which is where I feel I slipped up.

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Because I feel I should have known that.

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But Hilary's case is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Fraud against individuals

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is estimated at £9.1 billion every year.

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Hilary's bank is part of the RBS Group,

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where stories like this are becoming increasingly familiar.

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We see more and more of these cases each week, each month.

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And what the fraudsters are doing is really moving away from attacking an organisation directly,

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but putting their energy into targeting the customer.

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And as Hilary discovered, the key to this scam is the way

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it gets around any suspicions that it might be a fraud.

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When the customer feels suspicious,

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because they've listened to all that advice that's been given to them

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across the industry and government and police, they then

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advise them to put the phone down and then contact their bank.

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What the fraudsters have done is managed to find a way to keep

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that line open. So the customer then dials, you know, us, for example.

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-The legitimate number.

-Exactly.

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They think that they're making a phone call,

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but it's actually the fraudster that's kept the line open,

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who then answers the phone, pretending to be the bank.

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And the customer then provides all the information that's needed.

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But who are these fraudsters? Are they organised criminals?

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Are they individuals on the make?

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These are organised criminals who have all the structures

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that you would expect a normal business to have.

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And they deliberately go out to steal your personal information

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and then use that to try and steal money, you know, from banks

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and other organisations.

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The good news for Hilary is that she did get her money back

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through her bank, which is what usually happens

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when you can prove that you've been a victim of fraud.

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But later in the programme, we'll hear what happens

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if your bank takes a very different approach

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and says that you are liable for the money that's been lost.

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I don't understand the bank's position on it,

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as to why it's saying it's not fraud.

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Whether I'll see the money again, I don't know.

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Buying second-hand goods online can sometimes be a little bit worrying,

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particularly when it comes to high-value items like cars or caravans -

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things that you can't exactly send back if something isn't right.

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So if you're told that one of the biggest names in internet shopping

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has a safe account where your money is held

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until you are happy with the goods, well, that sounds ideal, doesn't it?

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Unfortunately, it's too good to be true.

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But that discovery came just a bit too late for some of you

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and you've ended up being taken in by a scam

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when you thought that your money was being kept safe.

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Last year in the UK alone,

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a staggering £62 billion was spent buying goods online.

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And not just for small items.

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More and more of us are now turning to websites like eBay to buy

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expensive goods such as cars, caravans and motorbikes.

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It's these vast sums of money that are changing hands

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that are exactly the reason why the internet and sites like eBay

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are such an attractive proposition to scammers who want to rip you off.

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With three young children and a passion for the outdoors,

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buying a caravan seemed like the ideal choice for John and his family.

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We thought about going abroad, you know,

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but for the price of going abroad, we could buy a caravan and have lots of holidays with the kids.

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-Mmm.

-Initially, we looked everywhere, looking at all these caravans.

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Just couldn't find the right one.

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-The kids were very specific in what they wanted.

-What did they want?

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They wanted a triple bunk at the back.

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So, when John saw a caravan in a local classified ad

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with the must-have triple bunk,

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he contacted the seller, who called herself Linda.

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Linda then was saying her husband died

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-and she was left with a caravan.

-Giving you a sob story?

-Yes.

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A very hard-done-by sob story.

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Quick sale, needed the money, got a mortgage to pay.

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Linda told John that she'd recently fallen victim to fraud,

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so she wanted to protect herself from any unscrupulous buyers.

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She suggested they conduct the purchase online through eBay,

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where the site's Buyer Protection scheme would keep them both safe from fraud.

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He was told that they money would be kept in an interim account

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and only be released to Linda when John was happy with the caravan.

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Did you actually go and look at the caravan before you made a decision?

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No. The thing was, we asked on our e-mails, can we view?

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However, they said what happens is,

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with the eBay Buyer Protection scheme,

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is that you pay the money into eBay and they hold the money for you.

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Once they money's in there, they agree to view the caravan.

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I paid my money into the eBay holding account,

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or what I believed to be the eBay holding account,

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and then waited for them to deliver the caravan to be viewed.

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-And how much money did you...?

-It was £5,000.

-Yeah.

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A lot of money. But John was convinced that his money was safe,

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and that he'd get a full refund if he wasn't happy with the caravan.

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It sounds perfect, doesn't it?

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In fact, it was one of a pack of lies that have cost John very dear indeed.

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The eBay Buyer Protection does exist,

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but it doesn't apply to the purchase of any cars or vehicles.

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Also untrue was the claim that eBay will look after your cash

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while you wait to receive your purchase.

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They don't, and any seller who tries to tell you about interim accounts

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that protect your cash is lying.

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To be frank, the details of the Buyer Protection scheme

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are neither here nor there in this case,

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because the seller had nothing to do with eBay

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and was not selling anything through them.

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They were just using eBay as a front to persuade buyers like John

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to part with their money.

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It was all part of a very sophisticated scam.

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The seller sends the victim an e-mail which looks

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exactly like it's from eBay. But it's a fake.

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The bogus e-mail contains a link which you're told to click on

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to complete the purchase.

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But instead of paying through eBay,

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this fake link takes you to a fraudulent payment page

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that puts your cash straight into the criminal's bank account,

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which is exactly what happened to John.

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Back at home, he showed me how he fell for the slickly operated scam.

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-So, she wants her 5,000...?

-Yes.

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-You want to be guaranteed that that money is protected.

-That's right.

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So this is the link that she sends you.

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Your registration was confirmed, Buyer Protection.

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That looks pretty...

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-Convincing, yeah.

-Pretty convincing, that, doesn't it?

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eBay, colours are right. This is all right.

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We've got, "eBay Buyer Protection. Learn more."

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All of this, "E-mail confirmation of your registration," enough to

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make you think that what you were looking at was the genuine article.

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-Yes.

-I suppose, if you knew what to look for,

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and you'd dealt with eBay before,

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you would have recognised that the e-mail address was wrong.

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Yes, I could now.

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Because, you know, I know these things have been highlighted to me.

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Someone's gone to a lot of trouble to replicate the eBay pages.

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What did you feel when you suddenly realised there was no buyer,

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there's no eBay protection, there's no £5,000?

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-There's no caravan?

-We were pretty distraught, to be fair.

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You know, and we beat ourselves up a lot about how stupid we'd been,

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you know. And even now, we still think, you know, why did we do it?

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Why did we do what we did? I don't know where to turn to.

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I really don't know who to turn to to get my money back.

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I want to take my children on holiday this year, you know.

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It won't be in a caravan. So, it's a difficult one.

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However much John and anyone else taken in by this scam were convinced

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that they were dealing with eBay, in fact they were going straight through

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to criminals, handing over cash that they'll probably never see again.

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eBay told us that cases like this are an important reminder that any

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transaction not completed on ebay.co.uk is a...

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Much like responding to a classified advert in a newspaper...

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..as they won't have access to eBay Buyer Protection.

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Also, buyers need to look out for warning signs, including...

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..or who push for a speedy sale via money transfer.

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Sellers who claim that...

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..and sellers who refuse to meet in person or refuse to allow the buyer

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to physically inspect the vehicle before the purchase.

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And that's something that John wishes he'd known before parting with £5,000.

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His family's caravan holiday dream has disappeared along with the cash.

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I did make a mistake. I'm aware I made a mistake.

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It makes you really angry, you know.

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These people can just sit at home

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and just take money from you that you've saved for years, possibly.

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One click of a button and it's gone. Yeah, so I have been ripped off.

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-JULIA:

-Our pop-up shop has opened its doors again.

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For one weekend only, we came became to Liverpool with a team of experts

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-to run street workshops...

-Do spend some time

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if you've got specific travel questions you want answered.

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..along with our one-stop advice shop for all your consumer problems.

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Give them eight weeks to respond and if they don't,

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consider taking your complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

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Elizabeth called in to tell travel journalist Simon Calder

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what happened after a company approached her offering to take

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a time-share she no longer wanted off her hands.

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-We got a telephone call...

-Just a cold call?

-A cold call inviting us

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to go to Stafford.

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They would buy our time-share from us.

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But when she went to the meeting,

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Elizabeth says there was a real hard sell.

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We had to pay nearly £4,000 to them

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to apparently take our time-share off us.

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But hang on, if... Forgive me. In my world,

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if somebody wants to buy something I own, then they give me some money.

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I don't ask them to give me some money.

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You're lucky if you could get out, never mind walk away.

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The pressure they put you under was terrible.

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Elizabeth's glimmer of hope is that she paid half the money

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on her credit card and may be able to claim it back from the bank.

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In order for you to reclaim your money under the Consumer Credit Act,

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you need to say to the card company, "There's been misrepresentation,"

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or, "There's been a breach of contract here."

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Either way, Elizabeth says she's learned an important lesson.

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Don't answer any phone calls

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cos, basically, I'm still getting the phone calls from all

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different companies. "We can sell your time-share for you."

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You know, we don't know where to turn to.

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I am afraid this looks like an awful state of affairs

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with some bad people who have been just

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misrepresenting what they can do.

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I'm feeling a bit happier.

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I'll go back to my credit card company

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and pursue it and see how I get on from there.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, how scamsters are exploiting

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the biggest name in transferring money to get hold of your cash.

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My stomach started churning.

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I started getting very confused

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and angry.

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It had definitely been withdrawn.

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Earlier in the programme we heard how sophisticated scamsters

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were able to steal over £6,000 from one Rip-Off viewer

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by phoning her up,

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claiming to be part of the security team at her bank.

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Now, you'll remember, to reassure her,

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they had called told her to call them back on the number on the back of her credit card and when she did,

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little realising they hadn't hung up their end of the previous call,

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they convinced her to transfer her savings into a new,

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apparently safe account. Luckily for her, because it was a clear case

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of fraud, her bank agreed to return the money -

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which is what most banks would do.

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But here's a warning - not all of them.

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When exactly the same thing happens,

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some banks can have a very, very different response.

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It was in March that Gavin Edwards from Southampton

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was called by conmen who told him they were part of a fraud team

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and they'd spotted someone trying to access his Barclays bank account.

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They said I needed to hang up and call back on the number

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on the back of my card.

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I didn't realise they'd held the line open.

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They even asked for my mother's maiden name.

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They stole £9,352.44.

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What makes scams like this so clever

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is the way they play on the fear of fraud to commit the crime.

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When he'd been asked to transfer his money,

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Gavin had been convinced that he was speaking to his own bank.

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And it wasn't until the following morning that he started to sense that something was wrong.

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I'd been wondering what had been happening with Barclays,

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so I was expecting them to give me a call at some point

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and by the time it got to ten, no-one had rung.

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So I was getting a little bit concerned.

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I just wanted to know where my money was - you know, if it was safe.

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So Gavin rang his bank

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and when he gave them the name of the person he'd been speaking to,

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supposedly from their fraud team,

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he was told that that person did not exist.

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It sounded so genuine the day before and the fact that

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I had rung the number on the back of my card the day before,

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and spoke to what I thought was the bank,

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it was quite a shock to realise that it wasn't actually Barclays

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I had been speaking to but the fraudsters themselves.

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Thinking he was transferring it into a safe account,

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Gavin had unwittingly handed all his savings - almost £9,500 -

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straight into the hands of the fraudsters,

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leaving him with just the £7.50 cash in his pocket.

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To go from, sort of, nearly £9,500

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down to £7.50, due to one phone call, it was quite tough

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and I couldn't survive on £7.50 until I got paid.

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I had to ring my parents, which was a bit embarrassing,

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and ask them if they could give me some money.

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Barclays told Gavin they would pass his case on to their GENUINE fraud department

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to investigate and they were soon back in touch.

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A letter arrived from the fraud department

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and basically it's saying, "I am writing in connection with

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"the recent fraudulent activity on your account.

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"I can confirm that your personal details have been misused

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"to gain access to your account."

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I was reasonably, sort of, happy with the fact that they had said it was fraud.

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They had said that in the majority of fraud cases,

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customers do get their money refunded.

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However, two months later when the fraud department wrote

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with their final decision, they had some devastating news.

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Eventually they sent me this letter and a part of it says,

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"After reviewing your case,

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"we cannot accept the transactions being disputed as being as fraud.

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"Therefore you will not be offered a refund

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"and will be held liable for the amount in dispute."

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It felt like they'd just dismissed it out of hand as...of no importance.

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Obviously, to me, that amount of money is very important.

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It was a disgraceful way that they considered that was a final conclusion to the matter.

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Gavin also felt this latest letter contradicted the first one

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from the bank. While that one had confirmed that his personal details

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had been misused to gain access to his account, this latest one said

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something entirely different - that one of the reasons it wasn't fraud

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could be because there had been

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"no apparent attempts by a third party to compromise or otherwise impersonate" him.

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I had been compromised because someone rung me up

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saying they were from the bank

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and saying there was malicious attempts on my card

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and on my account. So, you know, I had been compromised by a third party

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and...it's a fraudster!

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Gavin feels he's been treated unfairly

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and wishes he'd been with a bank that might have reacted differently.

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I sort of feel that if I had been with another bank now,

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I might have got a refund on my money a lot quicker, hopefully.

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Official figures show that in 98% of cases like this,

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the banks do refund the money that has been stolen.

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In the 2% of cases where they don't,

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it's usually because they have decided

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it was either a fraudulent claim

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or the customer has acted with gross negligence,

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neither of which Gavin would say applies to him.

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I don't understand the bank's position on it,

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as to why they say it is not fraud.

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As far as I am concerned, it IS fraud.

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Whether I'll see the money again, er...

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I don't know.

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But when we contacted Barclays about the stance they had taken on Gavin's case,

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there was some very good news indeed. They told us that they...

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..and the level of service received by Gavin was not good enough.

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They apologise for that and say they will be...

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According to CIFAS, the UK's fraud prevention service,

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2012 saw a 53% increase in crimes like this,

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where fraudsters are able to take control of your bank account,

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so what can you do to prevent yourself from being stung?

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The Metropolitan Police Force is working to prevent economic crime

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and fraud across Greater London

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and they are concerned about who these criminals are targeting.

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It is a significant issue which we are concentrating on at the moment.

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So far, in the last two years

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since it came to our attention there has been 2,700 offences.

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The most taken from an individual victim in London

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is £145,000.

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145,000? That's what I call a big scam.

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Obviously, it's a national problem

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and it's happening all across the country.

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The one thing I will stress is these people are very, very good at what they do.

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So they sound very plausible, they are very polite,

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they stress everything is to protect the individual's money

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and they give a way out for people, obviously, to ring up

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and check what's happening and then they perpetrate the fraud.

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Isn't it possible to shut down this aspect of an open line -

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the fact that someone can just stay on the phone?

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We're getting the support of Ofcom

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and the telephone companies to do exactly that,

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to close down so that the line can't kept open and that the offence...

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The second phone call cannot be made so the offence cannot be perpetrated.

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But in the meantime, there's one very simple thing you can do

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to make sure you shouldn't ever fall victim to a line that's held open.

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Use a second phone

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to make the call, whether it's a mobile phone or a landline,

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to make the call. In that way,

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it becomes very difficult for them to keep the line open.

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If you don't have a second phone,

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wait at least five minutes before making any call

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that you're asked to and make sure that you hear a clear dial tone

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before you do it, although be careful -

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some variations of the scam have been known to use a recording.

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Gary, a lot of these criminals have built up some very clever devices

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as to how to scam people.

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Are there any tell-tale signs for the individual to watch out for?

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If anyone asks you for your PIN number over the telephone

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or your bank details over the telephone, that generally is a fraud.

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Banks, police officers, law enforcement

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will not ask you those questions.

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So, they'll never ask for a PIN?

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They never will ask for a PIN number,

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whether it's to tell them it verbally or to key it into your phone,

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it will never be requested.

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So if somebody is asking you for that,

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it's likely that's going to be a fraud.

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And that has to be the key piece of advice.

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However plausible the person you're speaking to is,

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always keep those key details to yourself,

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so that you can keep your money safe, where it belongs.

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At a time when money is tighter than ever,

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you need to know it's working hard for you,

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avoiding rip-offs and sharp practice along the way.

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So to help you, on our website...

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..you'll find plenty of invaluable tips and expert advice,

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plus you can download our free guide to getting a better deal,

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which is full of useful information to stop you being stung

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or left out of pocket.

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Now, here's a mystery involving the whereabouts of a large sum of money

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and a big name that says it takes pride in making life a little better

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for its customers. But two of those customers would say

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that life has got a whole lot worse because £1,200 of their savings

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have effectively just disappeared and nobody can say for sure

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exactly how that has happened or who has got it now.

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None of us like to lose money but it's especially galling

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if someone has found a way to take it by exploiting a system

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that you should be able to trust.

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And that's exactly what happened to Chris and Sam from Bishop Auckland.

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Their run of bad luck began last year

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when they returned home one day to find that they'd been burgled.

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We didn't feel safe in our own home any more, so...

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we put our heads together and thought, "We want out -

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"we want somewhere new, somewhere safe for us and our daughter."

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Sam and Chris began searching online for a new home to rent

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and spotted what looked like the perfect choice.

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I decided to contact the landlord directly

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and I did get a reply pretty much straightaway, confirming, obviously,

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he WAS the landlord, this WAS his property and everything else.

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Keen to move in, Sam began exchanging e-mails with the landlord

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with all the information needed to set the wheels in motion.

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It was continuous for a number of weeks.

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Basically, gathering different information,

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as in getting tenancy agreements, getting photos of the property

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and just general reassurance.

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We thought nothing of it. Great, you know, we found somewhere quickly,

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we can get out, we can start getting our lives back on track

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and feeling safe.

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The landlord told Sam and Chris that he lived abroad in Denmark,

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and before making the trip over to the UK to meet them, he wanted

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reassurance that the couple had the necessary funds to secure the flat.

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The landlord said to us that he'd been messed around in the past,

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basically saying he'd been let down and things, and we believed him,

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because it'd been going on for quite a while and he gained our trust.

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And here's where things got rather clever,

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because, although the landlord wanted proof that Sam

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and Chris would be able to transfer him some money in the future,

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he wasn't actually asking them to send anything now.

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Instead, he asked them to prove that they were good for the cash

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by transferring it between each other and showing him a receipt

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for the transaction, which he asked them to do via Western Union.

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Western Union is an American money transfer service

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that advertises a fast and easy service

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with agent locations around every corner.

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The company boasts that it processes up to 28 transactions per second,

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and in 2012 carried out 231 million of them worldwide.

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So we thought, "Well, it's safe and secure,

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"and it seems like quite a good option," so we went for that.

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There seemed nothing to alert the couple to any potential problems.

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After all, it's not unusual for a landlord to want reassurance

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that potential tenants can afford to rent the property.

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And, of course, Sam and Chris hadn't been asked to hand over a penny.

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All they had to do was to set up a transfer

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of £1,200 between themselves and send over a photograph of the receipt.

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Because the money was just going from myself to my partner,

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we didn't think there was a big issue or anything to be worried about.

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So they decided to go ahead at a Western Union in Sunderland.

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Sam would hand over the cash to be transferred and Chris would be

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the only person who would be authorised to pick it up.

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I spoke to the lady in the branch and told her the situation.

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She reassured me that it was safe, it was secure,

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that nothing could go wrong.

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Satisfied, Sam paid £33 for the money to be transferred.

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Chris was named as the receiver.

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Chris would have required ID the same as what I had to give

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when I put the money in.

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Basically, a passport or driving licence, just to confirm

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who he was, and he needed the transaction number as well.

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As requested,

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Sam sent a picture of the Western Union receipt to the landlord.

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It showed the total amount as well as a ten-digit code

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known as the Money Transfer Control Number.

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I took the photo of the number and the amount shown

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and sent it to the landlord,

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thinking it wouldn't be a problem,

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because I was reassured that they would have to have two forms of ID

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to actually collect the money.

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Two days later, armed with the receipt

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and the necessary ID, Chris went into the same branch where

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Sam had deposited the funds to collect their money.

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But he wasn't prepared for what happened next.

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The branch took the paperwork, the ID,

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and the lady ran it through the system, er,

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and it came back that there was a problem.

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The money had been withdrawn.

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Thinking that the assistant had made a mistake,

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Chris asked her to check it again.

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She ran it through three times,

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and each time it came back saying the money had been withdrawn.

0:31:240:31:28

My stomach started churning, I started getting very confused

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and angry.

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It had definitely been withdrawn,

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there wasn't a problem with the input.

0:31:360:31:39

It just turned me physically sick.

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Amidst the panic, the big question was,

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how could the money have been withdrawn?

0:31:450:31:47

Chris was the only person who was supposed to be able

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to pick up the funds.

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The branch manager contacted Western Union's head office to find out what could have happened.

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She was told that the money was picked up,

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using the correct forms of ID,

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in London within the first two hours of it being deposited.

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Despite his protests, Western Union was adamant that Chris had

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already collected the money from one of its outlets in London.

0:32:140:32:17

But Chris says that simply wasn't possible

0:32:170:32:20

because he'd been nowhere near there at the time, as he was working

0:32:200:32:23

away from home in Wolverhampton when the money was picked up.

0:32:230:32:27

Western Union assured them there would be a thorough investigation,

0:32:270:32:30

which would take a couple of weeks.

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Everything was just rushing through - how has this happened?

0:32:320:32:35

Why has it happened to us without my name and address or photographic ID?

0:32:350:32:41

And it dawned on the couple that, in all likelihood,

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the so-called landlord had taken the money

0:32:440:32:46

and they had been the victims of an elaborate scam.

0:32:460:32:48

Although they now realise they shouldn't have

0:32:480:32:51

sent in the transaction number, they just can't understand what ID

0:32:510:32:54

could have been used to pick the money up.

0:32:540:32:56

I did actually contact the police.

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Which... Somebody came out, talked to us.

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But the police couldn't help, and Western Union's own investigation

0:33:050:33:08

eventually concluded that all the right procedures had been followed.

0:33:080:33:12

So it was case closed, leaving Sam and Chris none the wiser as to

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where their money had gone, and, more importantly,

0:33:160:33:19

if they would ever see it again.

0:33:190:33:21

We understand the fact that we were in the wrong,

0:33:230:33:25

we did send the transaction number,

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but we were reassured that you would need ID AND the transaction number.

0:33:280:33:32

Western Union's simplicity means it is often used by fraudsters

0:33:320:33:36

in scams, so we went to see them to find out what they are doing to

0:33:360:33:40

stop other people being caught out in the same way as Sam and Chris.

0:33:400:33:44

What knowledge do you have of the way in which Western Union

0:33:440:33:48

is being used by scamsters to illegally obtain money?

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It's certainly a concern.

0:33:510:33:53

We have a series of measures to try to target these problems.

0:33:530:33:56

We've redesigned the "send money" form -

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this is a form that the sender will complete

0:34:000:34:02

before they do a transaction.

0:34:020:34:04

We've put leaflets and brochures into our agents

0:34:040:34:07

and made them fully aware of the type of scams

0:34:070:34:11

that have been perpetrated against consumers.

0:34:110:34:13

We have a 24/7 hotline, fraud hotline,

0:34:130:34:17

where the consumer can call and get advice on what to do.

0:34:170:34:21

Agents are trained both in how to process transactions

0:34:210:34:25

but also how to identify fraud.

0:34:250:34:28

They're given information on the most recent scams,

0:34:280:34:32

they're trained to ask questions, to ask the consumer,

0:34:320:34:35

"Why are you sending this money? Who are you sending this money to?",

0:34:350:34:39

to identify if that person is using the system for the first time,

0:34:390:34:43

and, of course, the agent has the discretion

0:34:430:34:45

not to process a transaction.

0:34:450:34:46

But what sort of sanctions do you take against those offices

0:34:460:34:49

that let out money without the right kind of structures in place?

0:34:490:34:53

Angela, they are closed. We don't want those on our books.

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Can you look me straight in the eye and say honestly that

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Western Union is in a position to protect consumers in the future?

0:35:010:35:06

Yes, absolutely.

0:35:060:35:08

On Sam and Chris's specific case, Western Union say that

0:35:080:35:12

because the couple had shown the fraudster their confidential

0:35:120:35:14

Money Transfer Control Number, that person must have used it to collect

0:35:140:35:18

the money, presumably showing fake ID created in Chris's name.

0:35:180:35:23

Although further ID is needed when transferring larger amounts,

0:35:230:35:26

the company has stressed...

0:35:260:35:28

..including securing a property.

0:35:320:35:35

We also tried contacting the landlord in Denmark

0:35:350:35:37

who'd started the whole mess. He has yet to reply.

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Although it looks like the couple's money is lost for ever,

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they're keen to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to anybody else.

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I would want the money back, yes, but I would hate to think

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somebody else would have to go through this.

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It's bad enough that we had to go through it.

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Last year, 229,000 cases of fraud were reported to the police

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in England and Wales, up by a whopping 27% on the previous year.

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I'm afraid to say that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Unless they involve large sums of money,

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most scams probably go unreported.

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It's estimated that, one way or another,

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no less than half of us will be targeted in a typical year.

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The Financial Conduct Authority

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regulates the financial services industry in the UK

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to protect consumers.

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So what advice do they have about how to spot a scam?

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The whole subject of scamming these days is enormous,

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whether you are talking about major scams or on the doorstep.

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But what are the type of scams we should be looking out for?

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The things that we see in the financial services sector

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as the scams that are coming up are some of the ones that

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have been around for a long time.

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So, people offering investments in fine wine or other products,

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but also some slightly more exotic ones.

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So, overseas property developments is a big one.

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Things that are going to be developed quite a long way off

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and are going to make lots of money.

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One of the things that is standard issue in all advice that we give

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to people about financial services fraud is that

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if something sounds as though it's too good to be true, it probably is.

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If these things were that easy to make money from legitimately,

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then they wouldn't be ringing you up to sell them to you.

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I suppose, if you think about it, you go to a bank

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and you get nothing in interest these days,

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so if someone comes along offering you a vast amount of interest,

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you would automatically know that that is not true.

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You do need to stop and ask yourself, if you can get a 7% return

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from this scheme and your returns are guaranteed,

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which is what they usually tell you, and they've got this fantastic

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track record, why aren't they just investing their own money in this?

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Why are they out there selling that to you?

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The other aspect I would like to touch on is the whole length

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they will go to to suck you in,

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because they really will go to any length whatsoever, won't they?

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One of the most depressing things, actually, we see in this job is

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the sorts of people who are targeted by these people running the scams.

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Some of them are very vulnerable, elderly people, people with

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mental health issues and so on, and they will get this call

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out of the blue from someone who is a very smooth, persuasive salesman.

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They will often take a bit of time to build up a relationship

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with the person, and then they suck you in, and then,

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once they've started reeling you in, they start putting on the hard sell.

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So you might be getting tens of calls in a day, telling you that

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unless you invest now, this opportunity is going to go away.

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Unless they involve large sums of money,

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it's believed that most scams usually go unreported,

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so how can you make sure you don't fall into the fraudsters' trap?

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What is your ultimate advice on avoiding those unwanted calls?

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-Because we all get them.

-You can't stop people telephoning you.

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You can sign up to the Telephone Preference Service and so on,

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but you clearly are never able to absolutely stop cold calls.

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My advice is that you should be polite and firm,

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and if someone is ringing up to offer you an investment product,

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the chances are, that's not a legitimate investment product,

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and you will be saving your time and your money by simply saying no

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and putting the phone down.

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It's estimated that several million people do fall victim

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to scams every year in the UK.

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It's a very lucrative business,

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with consumers losing billions to the fraudsters.

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So, what should you do if you get sucked in?

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We have a consumer helpline at the FCA.

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Simply ring us up, someone will answer the phone,

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they can take all the details down on the phone.

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We may then contact you again to ask for more information,

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particularly if we think there is some action we can take.

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We may tell you, depending on the sort of investment that you've made

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or the sort of contact you've had, we may direct you to say,

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actually, this is a matter for the police.

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And you can find lots more information

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on how to avoid scams on our website. It's...

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Here at Rip-Off Britain,

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we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills, trying to wade through

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never-ending small print?

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When they sit you down to sign up for things, they don't really give

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you the chance or the time to read through all of that small print.

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Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out,

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and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

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I was horrified.

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And I haven't got that sort of money to waste like that.

0:40:400:40:43

You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share

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the mistakes you've made with us, so that others don't do the same.

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:41:070:41:11

Well, that's just about it for today,

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but I hope we've given you plenty of tips on what to watch out for

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so that your money stays where it belongs - with you.

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Of course, the scary thing about scams is that new ones pop up

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all the time, so a warning. Do stay on your guard.

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And please tell us about any of the ones you've come across, so that we

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can pass that intelligence on to as many people as we possibly can.

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Just in case you still need a little bit of help spotting one,

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here are a couple of headlines.

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If you've been talked into handing over your cash on a promise

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that doesn't come true,

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or if someone asks you to hand over your bank details, well,

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in our book, those are scams, however convincing they may seem.

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Just be very wary. And on that note, I'm afraid we have to leave you.

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We will be back soon with lots more information. Until then, bye-bye.

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