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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
And you contacted us in your thousands, by post, e-mail, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
even stopping us on the street. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
And the message could not be clearer. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
There's too much focus on profit and less on, like, customer care. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
It's so hard to complain. Companies make it so difficult to complain. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
You told us, with money tighter than ever, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
you need to be sure that every pound counts. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
All my money is very hard-earned. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
So when I go to spend it, I expect value for money. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
So whether it's a deliberate rip off, a simple mistake, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
Hello, and I'm glad you could join us on Rip-Off Britain today, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
because we're going to be telling you everything | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
you need to know about the latest scams. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
What they are, how they work, and most importantly, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
how you can avoid being taken in by them. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Well, I'm sure you know that scams come in many shapes and sizes. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Sometimes they're presented as an opportunity - | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
perhaps even one that the people behind the scam | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
think might actually pay off. But other times, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
you'll be targeted in a way that makes it sound like | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
they're protecting you from the fraudsters | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
when, of course, exactly the opposite is true. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
However they're dressed up, what all scams have in common | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
is that they're designed quite simply to relieve you of your cash. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
So, by the end of the programme, you'll be a lot better prepared | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
to make sure that the next money any of them get hold of isn't from you. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
On today's programme, how this woman handed over nearly £7,000 | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
to fraudsters who convinced her they were from her bank... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
My daughter said my face was whiter than my hair | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
when I came out of the bank. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
An online scam targeting users at one of the best-known | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
shopping sites around... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
It makes you really angry. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
You know, these people can just sit at home | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and just take money from you that you've saved for years. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
You know, and one click of a button and it's gone. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
And scam-busting advice from the experts at our pop-up shop. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
Now, it's a very sad fact of life that there will always be people | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
who'll do whatever they can to con you out of your hard-earned cash. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
And they're finding even more elaborate ways of doing it these days. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Perhaps unsurprisingly, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
it's bank accounts that are particularly targeted, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
with billions of pounds lost each year to fraudsters | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
who've managed to get their hands on somebody else's money. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Now, to do it, they're using a scam that we're hearing | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
more and more examples of in the programme. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
And next time, they could very easily be targeting you. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
But don't worry, because we're going to tell you everything | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
you need to know as to how to avoid being taken in. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
The phone rings... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
-Hello? -'Hello. I'm calling from Visa...' | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
..the caller says they're from your bank card provider | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and there's been suspicious activity on your account. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
He reassures you that they're dealing with it. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
He just needs a few details | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
to make sure that you are the account holder. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
The caller is a fraudster, creating an elaborate scam | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
to try and trick you into handing over your financial details. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
Now, of course, we've investigated scams like this in the past | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
but, as you might imagine, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:13 | |
criminals like these are always developing and expanding tactics | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
to try and find new ways of getting hold of your money. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
Here's a scenario that all sounds very plausible, all very believable. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
But in fact, from beginning to end, it's a pack of lies. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Hilary Jeffrey received one of these calls earlier this year. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Whoever was calling wasn't from her bank at all, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
but an audacious fraudster. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
They phoned up and said they were phoning from Visa | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
because there'd been some unusual activity on my card. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
There'd been five items taken from my account online. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
Now, she was suspicious of the caller, but felt reassured | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
when she was told to hang up | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
and call the number on the back of her card | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
to be sure that she was speaking to her bank. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
So that's what she did. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
But the person on the other end of the phone had not hung up | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
when that first conversation had ended. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
Unknown to Hilary, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
this meant the call connection was automatically kept open. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
Hilary thought she was calling her bank, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
but in fact she was still on the line to the fraudster. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
I'm not sure I heard a dialling tone, I'll be quite honest. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
I heard a ring tone, certainly. And then the phone was answered. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
So even at that stage, you thought it was going through. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
I thought it was going straight through to the bank, yes. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
The fraudster was still there, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
waiting to put the next stage of the scam into action - | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
passing the phone over to an accomplice, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
pretending to be from her bank. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
I've just had a phone call from Visa, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
saying there's been some unusual activity on my card. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Hilary was told that they had set up a new safe account for her, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and that she had to transfer her balance across. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
They then took me | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
through the process of moving my money into a new account, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
which I corroborated with my card reader. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
And they said a new credit card would be with me within a week | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
and we signed off. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
They then sent me a text on my mobile, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
informing me that a new account had been set up in my name. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
It all seemed completely above board. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
But Hilary was the victim of a well-executed fraud. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
So as far as you were concerned... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
As far as I was concerned, it was just normal. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
They were taking precautions | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
so that nobody could get at that account again. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
So how much, then, did you transfer out of your account? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Well, they took the total amount I had, including my overdraft limit. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
And it was £6,774.15. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
And to further deceive her, shortly afterwards, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
the fraudster rang back, saying an appointment had been booked | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
to discuss the situation the next day at her local branch of the bank. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
I walked into the bank and I said to the girl there, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
"I've got an appointment at one o'clock with Laura." And she looked | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
on the list, she said, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
"I haven't got you down for an appointment." | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
My daughter said my face was whiter than my hair when I came out of the bank. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
And she was worried about me driving home, because the first thing I did, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
I got in the car and my foot slipped on the pedal! | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
-Just sheer nerves. -How did you feel at that stage? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
I felt furious that I'd been... I let myself do it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
-So, furious with yourself? -With myself. Yes, yes. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
I feel that people have got to know about this business of being | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
able to hold the phone line open, which is where I feel I slipped up. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
Because I feel I should have known that. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
But Hilary's case is just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Fraud against individuals | 0:06:31 | 0:06:32 | |
is estimated at £9.1 billion every year. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
Hilary's bank is part of the RBS Group, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
where stories like this are becoming increasingly familiar. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
We see more and more of these cases each week, each month. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
And what the fraudsters are doing is really moving away from attacking an organisation directly, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
but putting their energy into targeting the customer. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
And as Hilary discovered, the key to this scam is the way | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
it gets around any suspicions that it might be a fraud. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
When the customer feels suspicious, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
because they've listened to all that advice that's been given to them | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
across the industry and government and police, they then | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
advise them to put the phone down and then contact their bank. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
What the fraudsters have done is managed to find a way to keep | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
that line open. So the customer then dials, you know, us, for example. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
-The legitimate number. -Exactly. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
They think that they're making a phone call, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
but it's actually the fraudster that's kept the line open, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
who then answers the phone, pretending to be the bank. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
And the customer then provides all the information that's needed. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
But who are these fraudsters? Are they organised criminals? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Are they individuals on the make? | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
These are organised criminals who have all the structures | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
that you would expect a normal business to have. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
And they deliberately go out to steal your personal information | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
and then use that to try and steal money, you know, from banks | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
and other organisations. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
The good news for Hilary is that she did get her money back | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
through her bank, which is what usually happens | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
when you can prove that you've been a victim of fraud. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
But later in the programme, we'll hear what happens | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
if your bank takes a very different approach | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and says that you are liable for the money that's been lost. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
I don't understand the bank's position on it, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
as to why it's saying it's not fraud. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Whether I'll see the money again, I don't know. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Buying second-hand goods online can sometimes be a little bit worrying, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
particularly when it comes to high-value items like cars or caravans - | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
things that you can't exactly send back if something isn't right. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
So if you're told that one of the biggest names in internet shopping | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
has a safe account where your money is held | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
until you are happy with the goods, well, that sounds ideal, doesn't it? | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
Unfortunately, it's too good to be true. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
But that discovery came just a bit too late for some of you | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
and you've ended up being taken in by a scam | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
when you thought that your money was being kept safe. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Last year in the UK alone, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
a staggering £62 billion was spent buying goods online. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
And not just for small items. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
More and more of us are now turning to websites like eBay to buy | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
expensive goods such as cars, caravans and motorbikes. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
It's these vast sums of money that are changing hands | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
that are exactly the reason why the internet and sites like eBay | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
are such an attractive proposition to scammers who want to rip you off. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
With three young children and a passion for the outdoors, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
buying a caravan seemed like the ideal choice for John and his family. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
We thought about going abroad, you know, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
but for the price of going abroad, we could buy a caravan and have lots of holidays with the kids. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
-Mmm. -Initially, we looked everywhere, looking at all these caravans. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Just couldn't find the right one. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
-The kids were very specific in what they wanted. -What did they want? | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
They wanted a triple bunk at the back. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
So, when John saw a caravan in a local classified ad | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
with the must-have triple bunk, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
he contacted the seller, who called herself Linda. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Linda then was saying her husband died | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
-and she was left with a caravan. -Giving you a sob story? -Yes. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
A very hard-done-by sob story. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Quick sale, needed the money, got a mortgage to pay. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Linda told John that she'd recently fallen victim to fraud, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
so she wanted to protect herself from any unscrupulous buyers. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
She suggested they conduct the purchase online through eBay, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
where the site's Buyer Protection scheme would keep them both safe from fraud. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
He was told that they money would be kept in an interim account | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and only be released to Linda when John was happy with the caravan. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Did you actually go and look at the caravan before you made a decision? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
No. The thing was, we asked on our e-mails, can we view? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
However, they said what happens is, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
with the eBay Buyer Protection scheme, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
is that you pay the money into eBay and they hold the money for you. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Once they money's in there, they agree to view the caravan. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
I paid my money into the eBay holding account, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
or what I believed to be the eBay holding account, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
and then waited for them to deliver the caravan to be viewed. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
-And how much money did you...? -It was £5,000. -Yeah. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
A lot of money. But John was convinced that his money was safe, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and that he'd get a full refund if he wasn't happy with the caravan. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
It sounds perfect, doesn't it? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
In fact, it was one of a pack of lies that have cost John very dear indeed. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:15 | |
The eBay Buyer Protection does exist, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
but it doesn't apply to the purchase of any cars or vehicles. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Also untrue was the claim that eBay will look after your cash | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
while you wait to receive your purchase. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
They don't, and any seller who tries to tell you about interim accounts | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
that protect your cash is lying. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
To be frank, the details of the Buyer Protection scheme | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
are neither here nor there in this case, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
because the seller had nothing to do with eBay | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
and was not selling anything through them. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
They were just using eBay as a front to persuade buyers like John | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
to part with their money. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
It was all part of a very sophisticated scam. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
The seller sends the victim an e-mail which looks | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
exactly like it's from eBay. But it's a fake. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
The bogus e-mail contains a link which you're told to click on | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
to complete the purchase. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
But instead of paying through eBay, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
this fake link takes you to a fraudulent payment page | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
that puts your cash straight into the criminal's bank account, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
which is exactly what happened to John. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Back at home, he showed me how he fell for the slickly operated scam. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
-So, she wants her 5,000...? -Yes. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-You want to be guaranteed that that money is protected. -That's right. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
So this is the link that she sends you. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Your registration was confirmed, Buyer Protection. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
That looks pretty... | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
-Convincing, yeah. -Pretty convincing, that, doesn't it? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
eBay, colours are right. This is all right. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
We've got, "eBay Buyer Protection. Learn more." | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
All of this, "E-mail confirmation of your registration," enough to | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
make you think that what you were looking at was the genuine article. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
-Yes. -I suppose, if you knew what to look for, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
and you'd dealt with eBay before, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
you would have recognised that the e-mail address was wrong. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Yes, I could now. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
Because, you know, I know these things have been highlighted to me. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Someone's gone to a lot of trouble to replicate the eBay pages. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
What did you feel when you suddenly realised there was no buyer, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
there's no eBay protection, there's no £5,000? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
-There's no caravan? -We were pretty distraught, to be fair. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
You know, and we beat ourselves up a lot about how stupid we'd been, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
you know. And even now, we still think, you know, why did we do it? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Why did we do what we did? I don't know where to turn to. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
I really don't know who to turn to to get my money back. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
I want to take my children on holiday this year, you know. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
It won't be in a caravan. So, it's a difficult one. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
However much John and anyone else taken in by this scam were convinced | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
that they were dealing with eBay, in fact they were going straight through | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
to criminals, handing over cash that they'll probably never see again. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
eBay told us that cases like this are an important reminder that any | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
transaction not completed on ebay.co.uk is a... | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Much like responding to a classified advert in a newspaper... | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
..as they won't have access to eBay Buyer Protection. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Also, buyers need to look out for warning signs, including... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
..or who push for a speedy sale via money transfer. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Sellers who claim that... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
..and sellers who refuse to meet in person or refuse to allow the buyer | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
to physically inspect the vehicle before the purchase. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
And that's something that John wishes he'd known before parting with £5,000. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
His family's caravan holiday dream has disappeared along with the cash. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
I did make a mistake. I'm aware I made a mistake. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
It makes you really angry, you know. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
These people can just sit at home | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
and just take money from you that you've saved for years, possibly. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
One click of a button and it's gone. Yeah, so I have been ripped off. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
-JULIA: -Our pop-up shop has opened its doors again. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
For one weekend only, we came became to Liverpool with a team of experts | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
-to run street workshops... -Do spend some time | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
if you've got specific travel questions you want answered. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
..along with our one-stop advice shop for all your consumer problems. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
Give them eight weeks to respond and if they don't, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
consider taking your complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Elizabeth called in to tell travel journalist Simon Calder | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
what happened after a company approached her offering to take | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
a time-share she no longer wanted off her hands. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
-We got a telephone call... -Just a cold call? -A cold call inviting us | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
to go to Stafford. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
They would buy our time-share from us. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
But when she went to the meeting, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Elizabeth says there was a real hard sell. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
We had to pay nearly £4,000 to them | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
to apparently take our time-share off us. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
But hang on, if... Forgive me. In my world, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
if somebody wants to buy something I own, then they give me some money. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
I don't ask them to give me some money. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
You're lucky if you could get out, never mind walk away. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
The pressure they put you under was terrible. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Elizabeth's glimmer of hope is that she paid half the money | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
on her credit card and may be able to claim it back from the bank. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
In order for you to reclaim your money under the Consumer Credit Act, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
you need to say to the card company, "There's been misrepresentation," | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
or, "There's been a breach of contract here." | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
Either way, Elizabeth says she's learned an important lesson. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Don't answer any phone calls | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
cos, basically, I'm still getting the phone calls from all | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
different companies. "We can sell your time-share for you." | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
You know, we don't know where to turn to. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
I am afraid this looks like an awful state of affairs | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
with some bad people who have been just | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
misrepresenting what they can do. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
I'm feeling a bit happier. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
I'll go back to my credit card company | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
and pursue it and see how I get on from there. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, how scamsters are exploiting | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
the biggest name in transferring money to get hold of your cash. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
My stomach started churning. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
I started getting very confused | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and angry. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
It had definitely been withdrawn. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Earlier in the programme we heard how sophisticated scamsters | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
were able to steal over £6,000 from one Rip-Off viewer | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
by phoning her up, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
claiming to be part of the security team at her bank. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Now, you'll remember, to reassure her, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
they had called told her to call them back on the number on the back of her credit card and when she did, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
little realising they hadn't hung up their end of the previous call, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
they convinced her to transfer her savings into a new, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
apparently safe account. Luckily for her, because it was a clear case | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
of fraud, her bank agreed to return the money - | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
which is what most banks would do. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
But here's a warning - not all of them. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
When exactly the same thing happens, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
some banks can have a very, very different response. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
It was in March that Gavin Edwards from Southampton | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
was called by conmen who told him they were part of a fraud team | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
and they'd spotted someone trying to access his Barclays bank account. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
They said I needed to hang up and call back on the number | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
on the back of my card. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
I didn't realise they'd held the line open. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
They even asked for my mother's maiden name. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
They stole £9,352.44. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
What makes scams like this so clever | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
is the way they play on the fear of fraud to commit the crime. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
When he'd been asked to transfer his money, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Gavin had been convinced that he was speaking to his own bank. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
And it wasn't until the following morning that he started to sense that something was wrong. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
I'd been wondering what had been happening with Barclays, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
so I was expecting them to give me a call at some point | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
and by the time it got to ten, no-one had rung. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
So I was getting a little bit concerned. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
I just wanted to know where my money was - you know, if it was safe. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
So Gavin rang his bank | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
and when he gave them the name of the person he'd been speaking to, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
supposedly from their fraud team, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
he was told that that person did not exist. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
It sounded so genuine the day before and the fact that | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
I had rung the number on the back of my card the day before, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and spoke to what I thought was the bank, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
it was quite a shock to realise that it wasn't actually Barclays | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
I had been speaking to but the fraudsters themselves. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Thinking he was transferring it into a safe account, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Gavin had unwittingly handed all his savings - almost £9,500 - | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
straight into the hands of the fraudsters, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
leaving him with just the £7.50 cash in his pocket. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
To go from, sort of, nearly £9,500 | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
down to £7.50, due to one phone call, it was quite tough | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
and I couldn't survive on £7.50 until I got paid. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
I had to ring my parents, which was a bit embarrassing, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
and ask them if they could give me some money. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Barclays told Gavin they would pass his case on to their GENUINE fraud department | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
to investigate and they were soon back in touch. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
A letter arrived from the fraud department | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and basically it's saying, "I am writing in connection with | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
"the recent fraudulent activity on your account. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
"I can confirm that your personal details have been misused | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
"to gain access to your account." | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
I was reasonably, sort of, happy with the fact that they had said it was fraud. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
They had said that in the majority of fraud cases, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
customers do get their money refunded. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
However, two months later when the fraud department wrote | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
with their final decision, they had some devastating news. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Eventually they sent me this letter and a part of it says, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
"After reviewing your case, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
"we cannot accept the transactions being disputed as being as fraud. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
"Therefore you will not be offered a refund | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
"and will be held liable for the amount in dispute." | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
It felt like they'd just dismissed it out of hand as...of no importance. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Obviously, to me, that amount of money is very important. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
It was a disgraceful way that they considered that was a final conclusion to the matter. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
Gavin also felt this latest letter contradicted the first one | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
from the bank. While that one had confirmed that his personal details | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
had been misused to gain access to his account, this latest one said | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
something entirely different - that one of the reasons it wasn't fraud | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
could be because there had been | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
"no apparent attempts by a third party to compromise or otherwise impersonate" him. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
I had been compromised because someone rung me up | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
saying they were from the bank | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
and saying there was malicious attempts on my card | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
and on my account. So, you know, I had been compromised by a third party | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
and...it's a fraudster! | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Gavin feels he's been treated unfairly | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
and wishes he'd been with a bank that might have reacted differently. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
I sort of feel that if I had been with another bank now, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
I might have got a refund on my money a lot quicker, hopefully. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Official figures show that in 98% of cases like this, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
the banks do refund the money that has been stolen. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
In the 2% of cases where they don't, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
it's usually because they have decided | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
it was either a fraudulent claim | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
or the customer has acted with gross negligence, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
neither of which Gavin would say applies to him. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
I don't understand the bank's position on it, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
as to why they say it is not fraud. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
As far as I am concerned, it IS fraud. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
Whether I'll see the money again, er... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
I don't know. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
But when we contacted Barclays about the stance they had taken on Gavin's case, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
there was some very good news indeed. They told us that they... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
..and the level of service received by Gavin was not good enough. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
They apologise for that and say they will be... | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
According to CIFAS, the UK's fraud prevention service, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
2012 saw a 53% increase in crimes like this, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
where fraudsters are able to take control of your bank account, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
so what can you do to prevent yourself from being stung? | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
The Metropolitan Police Force is working to prevent economic crime | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and fraud across Greater London | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
and they are concerned about who these criminals are targeting. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
It is a significant issue which we are concentrating on at the moment. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
So far, in the last two years | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
since it came to our attention there has been 2,700 offences. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
The most taken from an individual victim in London | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
is £145,000. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
145,000? That's what I call a big scam. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Obviously, it's a national problem | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
and it's happening all across the country. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
The one thing I will stress is these people are very, very good at what they do. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
So they sound very plausible, they are very polite, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
they stress everything is to protect the individual's money | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
and they give a way out for people, obviously, to ring up | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
and check what's happening and then they perpetrate the fraud. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Isn't it possible to shut down this aspect of an open line - | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
the fact that someone can just stay on the phone? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
We're getting the support of Ofcom | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
and the telephone companies to do exactly that, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
to close down so that the line can't kept open and that the offence... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
The second phone call cannot be made so the offence cannot be perpetrated. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
But in the meantime, there's one very simple thing you can do | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
to make sure you shouldn't ever fall victim to a line that's held open. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Use a second phone | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
to make the call, whether it's a mobile phone or a landline, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
to make the call. In that way, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
it becomes very difficult for them to keep the line open. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
If you don't have a second phone, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
wait at least five minutes before making any call | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
that you're asked to and make sure that you hear a clear dial tone | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
before you do it, although be careful - | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
some variations of the scam have been known to use a recording. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
Gary, a lot of these criminals have built up some very clever devices | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
as to how to scam people. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Are there any tell-tale signs for the individual to watch out for? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
If anyone asks you for your PIN number over the telephone | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
or your bank details over the telephone, that generally is a fraud. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
Banks, police officers, law enforcement | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
will not ask you those questions. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
So, they'll never ask for a PIN? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
They never will ask for a PIN number, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
whether it's to tell them it verbally or to key it into your phone, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
it will never be requested. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
So if somebody is asking you for that, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
it's likely that's going to be a fraud. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
And that has to be the key piece of advice. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
However plausible the person you're speaking to is, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
always keep those key details to yourself, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
so that you can keep your money safe, where it belongs. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
At a time when money is tighter than ever, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
you need to know it's working hard for you, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
avoiding rip-offs and sharp practice along the way. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
So to help you, on our website... | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
..you'll find plenty of invaluable tips and expert advice, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
plus you can download our free guide to getting a better deal, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
which is full of useful information to stop you being stung | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
or left out of pocket. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
Now, here's a mystery involving the whereabouts of a large sum of money | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and a big name that says it takes pride in making life a little better | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
for its customers. But two of those customers would say | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
that life has got a whole lot worse because £1,200 of their savings | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
have effectively just disappeared and nobody can say for sure | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
exactly how that has happened or who has got it now. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
None of us like to lose money but it's especially galling | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
if someone has found a way to take it by exploiting a system | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
that you should be able to trust. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
And that's exactly what happened to Chris and Sam from Bishop Auckland. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Their run of bad luck began last year | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
when they returned home one day to find that they'd been burgled. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
We didn't feel safe in our own home any more, so... | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
we put our heads together and thought, "We want out - | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
"we want somewhere new, somewhere safe for us and our daughter." | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Sam and Chris began searching online for a new home to rent | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
and spotted what looked like the perfect choice. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
I decided to contact the landlord directly | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
and I did get a reply pretty much straightaway, confirming, obviously, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
he WAS the landlord, this WAS his property and everything else. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Keen to move in, Sam began exchanging e-mails with the landlord | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
with all the information needed to set the wheels in motion. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
It was continuous for a number of weeks. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Basically, gathering different information, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
as in getting tenancy agreements, getting photos of the property | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
and just general reassurance. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
We thought nothing of it. Great, you know, we found somewhere quickly, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
we can get out, we can start getting our lives back on track | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
and feeling safe. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:04 | |
The landlord told Sam and Chris that he lived abroad in Denmark, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
and before making the trip over to the UK to meet them, he wanted | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
reassurance that the couple had the necessary funds to secure the flat. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
The landlord said to us that he'd been messed around in the past, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
basically saying he'd been let down and things, and we believed him, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
because it'd been going on for quite a while and he gained our trust. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
And here's where things got rather clever, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
because, although the landlord wanted proof that Sam | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
and Chris would be able to transfer him some money in the future, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
he wasn't actually asking them to send anything now. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Instead, he asked them to prove that they were good for the cash | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
by transferring it between each other and showing him a receipt | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
for the transaction, which he asked them to do via Western Union. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Western Union is an American money transfer service | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
that advertises a fast and easy service | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
with agent locations around every corner. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
The company boasts that it processes up to 28 transactions per second, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
and in 2012 carried out 231 million of them worldwide. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
So we thought, "Well, it's safe and secure, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
"and it seems like quite a good option," so we went for that. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
There seemed nothing to alert the couple to any potential problems. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
After all, it's not unusual for a landlord to want reassurance | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
that potential tenants can afford to rent the property. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
And, of course, Sam and Chris hadn't been asked to hand over a penny. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
All they had to do was to set up a transfer | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
of £1,200 between themselves and send over a photograph of the receipt. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:40 | |
Because the money was just going from myself to my partner, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
we didn't think there was a big issue or anything to be worried about. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
So they decided to go ahead at a Western Union in Sunderland. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Sam would hand over the cash to be transferred and Chris would be | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
the only person who would be authorised to pick it up. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
I spoke to the lady in the branch and told her the situation. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
She reassured me that it was safe, it was secure, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
that nothing could go wrong. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Satisfied, Sam paid £33 for the money to be transferred. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
Chris was named as the receiver. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
Chris would have required ID the same as what I had to give | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
when I put the money in. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
Basically, a passport or driving licence, just to confirm | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
who he was, and he needed the transaction number as well. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
As requested, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
Sam sent a picture of the Western Union receipt to the landlord. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
It showed the total amount as well as a ten-digit code | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
known as the Money Transfer Control Number. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
I took the photo of the number and the amount shown | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
and sent it to the landlord, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
thinking it wouldn't be a problem, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
because I was reassured that they would have to have two forms of ID | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
to actually collect the money. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
Two days later, armed with the receipt | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
and the necessary ID, Chris went into the same branch where | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Sam had deposited the funds to collect their money. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
But he wasn't prepared for what happened next. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
The branch took the paperwork, the ID, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
and the lady ran it through the system, er, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
and it came back that there was a problem. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
The money had been withdrawn. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Thinking that the assistant had made a mistake, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
Chris asked her to check it again. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
She ran it through three times, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
and each time it came back saying the money had been withdrawn. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
My stomach started churning, I started getting very confused | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
and angry. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
It had definitely been withdrawn, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
there wasn't a problem with the input. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
It just turned me physically sick. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Amidst the panic, the big question was, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
how could the money have been withdrawn? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
Chris was the only person who was supposed to be able | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
to pick up the funds. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
The branch manager contacted Western Union's head office to find out what could have happened. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
She was told that the money was picked up, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
using the correct forms of ID, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
in London within the first two hours of it being deposited. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
Despite his protests, Western Union was adamant that Chris had | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
already collected the money from one of its outlets in London. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
But Chris says that simply wasn't possible | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
because he'd been nowhere near there at the time, as he was working | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
away from home in Wolverhampton when the money was picked up. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
Western Union assured them there would be a thorough investigation, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
which would take a couple of weeks. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
Everything was just rushing through - how has this happened? | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Why has it happened to us without my name and address or photographic ID? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
And it dawned on the couple that, in all likelihood, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
the so-called landlord had taken the money | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
and they had been the victims of an elaborate scam. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Although they now realise they shouldn't have | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
sent in the transaction number, they just can't understand what ID | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
could have been used to pick the money up. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
I did actually contact the police. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
Which... Somebody came out, talked to us. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
But the police couldn't help, and Western Union's own investigation | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
eventually concluded that all the right procedures had been followed. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
So it was case closed, leaving Sam and Chris none the wiser as to | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
where their money had gone, and, more importantly, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
if they would ever see it again. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
We understand the fact that we were in the wrong, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
we did send the transaction number, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
but we were reassured that you would need ID AND the transaction number. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
Western Union's simplicity means it is often used by fraudsters | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
in scams, so we went to see them to find out what they are doing to | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
stop other people being caught out in the same way as Sam and Chris. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
What knowledge do you have of the way in which Western Union | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
is being used by scamsters to illegally obtain money? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
It's certainly a concern. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
We have a series of measures to try to target these problems. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
We've redesigned the "send money" form - | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
this is a form that the sender will complete | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
before they do a transaction. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
We've put leaflets and brochures into our agents | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and made them fully aware of the type of scams | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
that have been perpetrated against consumers. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
We have a 24/7 hotline, fraud hotline, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
where the consumer can call and get advice on what to do. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
Agents are trained both in how to process transactions | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
but also how to identify fraud. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
They're given information on the most recent scams, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
they're trained to ask questions, to ask the consumer, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
"Why are you sending this money? Who are you sending this money to?", | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
to identify if that person is using the system for the first time, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
and, of course, the agent has the discretion | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
not to process a transaction. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:46 | |
But what sort of sanctions do you take against those offices | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
that let out money without the right kind of structures in place? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Angela, they are closed. We don't want those on our books. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Can you look me straight in the eye and say honestly that | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
Western Union is in a position to protect consumers in the future? | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
On Sam and Chris's specific case, Western Union say that | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
because the couple had shown the fraudster their confidential | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
Money Transfer Control Number, that person must have used it to collect | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
the money, presumably showing fake ID created in Chris's name. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
Although further ID is needed when transferring larger amounts, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
the company has stressed... | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
..including securing a property. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
We also tried contacting the landlord in Denmark | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
who'd started the whole mess. He has yet to reply. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
Although it looks like the couple's money is lost for ever, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
they're keen to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to anybody else. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
I would want the money back, yes, but I would hate to think | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
somebody else would have to go through this. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
It's bad enough that we had to go through it. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Last year, 229,000 cases of fraud were reported to the police | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
in England and Wales, up by a whopping 27% on the previous year. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
I'm afraid to say that is just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Unless they involve large sums of money, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
most scams probably go unreported. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
It's estimated that, one way or another, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
no less than half of us will be targeted in a typical year. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
The Financial Conduct Authority | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
regulates the financial services industry in the UK | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
to protect consumers. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
So what advice do they have about how to spot a scam? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
The whole subject of scamming these days is enormous, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
whether you are talking about major scams or on the doorstep. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
But what are the type of scams we should be looking out for? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
The things that we see in the financial services sector | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
as the scams that are coming up are some of the ones that | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
have been around for a long time. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
So, people offering investments in fine wine or other products, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
but also some slightly more exotic ones. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
So, overseas property developments is a big one. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
Things that are going to be developed quite a long way off | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
and are going to make lots of money. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
One of the things that is standard issue in all advice that we give | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
to people about financial services fraud is that | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
if something sounds as though it's too good to be true, it probably is. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
If these things were that easy to make money from legitimately, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
then they wouldn't be ringing you up to sell them to you. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
I suppose, if you think about it, you go to a bank | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
and you get nothing in interest these days, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
so if someone comes along offering you a vast amount of interest, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
you would automatically know that that is not true. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
You do need to stop and ask yourself, if you can get a 7% return | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
from this scheme and your returns are guaranteed, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
which is what they usually tell you, and they've got this fantastic | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
track record, why aren't they just investing their own money in this? | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Why are they out there selling that to you? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
The other aspect I would like to touch on is the whole length | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
they will go to to suck you in, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
because they really will go to any length whatsoever, won't they? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
One of the most depressing things, actually, we see in this job is | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
the sorts of people who are targeted by these people running the scams. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Some of them are very vulnerable, elderly people, people with | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
mental health issues and so on, and they will get this call | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
out of the blue from someone who is a very smooth, persuasive salesman. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
They will often take a bit of time to build up a relationship | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
with the person, and then they suck you in, and then, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
once they've started reeling you in, they start putting on the hard sell. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
So you might be getting tens of calls in a day, telling you that | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
unless you invest now, this opportunity is going to go away. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
Unless they involve large sums of money, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
it's believed that most scams usually go unreported, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
so how can you make sure you don't fall into the fraudsters' trap? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
What is your ultimate advice on avoiding those unwanted calls? | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
-Because we all get them. -You can't stop people telephoning you. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
You can sign up to the Telephone Preference Service and so on, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
but you clearly are never able to absolutely stop cold calls. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
My advice is that you should be polite and firm, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
and if someone is ringing up to offer you an investment product, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
the chances are, that's not a legitimate investment product, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
and you will be saving your time and your money by simply saying no | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
and putting the phone down. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
It's estimated that several million people do fall victim | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
to scams every year in the UK. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
It's a very lucrative business, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
with consumers losing billions to the fraudsters. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
So, what should you do if you get sucked in? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
We have a consumer helpline at the FCA. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
Simply ring us up, someone will answer the phone, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
they can take all the details down on the phone. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
We may then contact you again to ask for more information, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
particularly if we think there is some action we can take. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
We may tell you, depending on the sort of investment that you've made | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
or the sort of contact you've had, we may direct you to say, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
actually, this is a matter for the police. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
And you can find lots more information | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
on how to avoid scams on our website. It's... | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Confused over your bills, trying to wade through | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
never-ending small print? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
When they sit you down to sign up for things, they don't really give | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
you the chance or the time to read through all of that small print. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
I was horrified. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
And I haven't got that sort of money to waste like that. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
the mistakes you've made with us, so that others don't do the same. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
Or send us an e-mail, to... | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
Well, that's just about it for today, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
but I hope we've given you plenty of tips on what to watch out for | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
so that your money stays where it belongs - with you. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
Of course, the scary thing about scams is that new ones pop up | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
all the time, so a warning. Do stay on your guard. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
And please tell us about any of the ones you've come across, so that we | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
can pass that intelligence on to as many people as we possibly can. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Just in case you still need a little bit of help spotting one, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
here are a couple of headlines. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
If you've been talked into handing over your cash on a promise | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
that doesn't come true, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
or if someone asks you to hand over your bank details, well, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
in our book, those are scams, however convincing they may seem. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
Just be very wary. And on that note, I'm afraid we have to leave you. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
We will be back soon with lots more information. Until then, bye-bye. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
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