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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands by post, email,

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even stopping us on the street. The message could not be clearer.

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It feels to me I'm fighting a battle I can't win.

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It costs you a fortune and then you get fobbed off.

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With money tighter than ever you need to be sure every pound counts.

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We had nowhere to turn.

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Whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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I'm glad you can join us again.

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Today we focus on something every one of us will have experienced, probably even in the last few weeks.

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It's a topic that is consistently said to be one of the biggest bugbears for UK consumers.

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We're talking about cold calling. We really have all been there.

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The phone rings and when you answer someone launches into a sales pitch about some deal or other.

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It's thought eight out of ten of us will have had that in the last month and not just at home.

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It can be on your mobile, too. I had one of those this morning!

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You may think the answer is to hang up, but it isn't that simple.

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As well as hearing about some of the problems they can cause, we'll look at whether enough is being done

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so cold calls only go to people who don't mind them.

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And we'll see what's being done to those parts of the industry who break the rules.

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On today's programme, how unwanted calls that keep on coming target those that find it hard to say no.

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I've had days when I just wanted to cry, my guts turning inside out, frustration, anger.

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The three letters most commonly heard in a cold call - PPI. Why is it so hard to get your money back?

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We've got to go through a world of battle again.

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As stressful as it is, I am willing to challenge them again.

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Too many of the stories we investigate start with a cold call

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and someone trying to sell you something you don't want.

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These calls can be more than just annoying. In some cases, they can cause real distress.

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The system to stop you getting them doesn't always work.

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While the law says if you've opted out of unsolicited calls, no one should ring you out of the blue,

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there's been a rise in the number of companies who simply ignore that and not much can stop them.

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They're often referred to as nuisance calls, but for Keith Brown "nuisance" doesn't begin to describe

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the emotional impact unwanted calls have had on his family.

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Keith's mother is in the early stages of dementia, so she doesn't like dealing with strangers.

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Keith says she'll often say yes to whatever they ask, just to make the conversation end,

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all of which makes her very easy prey for cold callers.

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Keith, what did you find that made you realise your mother had been targeted by cold calling?

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There were more and more vitamins and supplements arriving.

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Over a couple of weeks, it just grew, just like a mountain that grew.

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I spoke to Mum and said, "What's going on here?" and I stopped there and went through them all.

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There were 22 different vitamins or supplements. She walked me through into the bedroom, opened the drawers

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where she used to have all of her clothing.

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All the drawers were full of vitamins.

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Keith's mum had bought the vitamins after receiving a cold call from an online vitamin retailer.

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She'd seen some friends suffer from arthritis and didn't want it,

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so she thought the vitamins would help, but one purchase led to another sales call

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and soon the stock grew out of control.

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Have you any idea how much your mum has spent?

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Over the space of seven months, she's spent just over £2,200 with one company

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on vitamins and vitamin supplements. Really what was staggering was the scale.

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It wasn't £10 and £50 a time. It was £200 a time, £300 a time.

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People were just ringing up, cold calling, knowing that she'd buy,

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suggesting multiple orders of multiple things, more and more things,

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and she was giving her card details.

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So what did you do about it? I immediately rang the company concerned and said, "Please make sure

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"that you don't call any more. You cannot justify spending that amount of money for one elderly person."

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They agreed they would no longer call her or contact her. Have they upheld that? Well, it's been upheld now.

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And then just last week, when I came to see my mother, she said, "I don't understand. This has arrived."

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And this is from the company? Yes.

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Offering to sell her more vitamins.

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The vitamins were the latest in a long line of cold call offers to which Keith's mum could not say no.

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In recent months, she's paid £1,300 to two tradesmen for cleaning her driveway

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and she's previously given hundreds to charities in response to appeal letters.

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I think in the last couple of years she has lost over £5,000 or £6,000 on various things.

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What effect has this had on your mum?

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Ironically enough, for people in that stage, the early stages of dementia,

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they don't actually know the scale of it. She doesn't really understand the significance of what she's lost.

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It's her savings. If push came to shove, I'd sort her out, so she's protected.

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But not everybody has a son or a daughter who can move in. And they're in terrible situations.

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If you've not got a really strong advocate, a really strong family friend or relative

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to stand up and do this for you, and I am here twice a week, every week,

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just screening all the mail.

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Keith is a professor in healthcare and social work and has worked with vulnerable old people,

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but it's so much worse when the issues are closer to home.

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When it's suddenly your mum... I've had days when I just, like, wanted to cry,

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I've had my guts turning inside out. Frustration, anger.

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My mum is a great woman. She's a great mother. I feel slightly emotional talking about it.

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And it's, "What is going on?! How can this happen to my mum?"

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When we contacted the vitamin company, they told us Keith's mother had bought "in varying amounts"

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since 2009, but in 2012, after a request from Keith,

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the account was marked "do not call". There was a further short call this year which they say was

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a "clear breach" of their policy, due to "an error on account of the sales agent",

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but they had no record of a request to no mailings, though they have now updated the account to that effect.

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They've also said since 2011 they've made "significant improvements" to their marketing and sales

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and introduced new systems allowing them to randomly review orders,

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so that they can spot unusually high volume sales. And they stress that all the people called by them

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are previous customers rung "at intervals that reflect their purchasing desires".

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They insist that "no cold calls are ever made".

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But this does highlight a rather uncertain grey area

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as to what exactly constitutes consent to repeated calls.

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Some businesses consider that an earlier purchase allows them to call again until you ask them to stop.

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Critics say each new approach technically constitutes a cold call.

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So our pop-up shop telecoms expert David McClelland explains some of the things you can do

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to avoid the calls you don't want.

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The first thing is to opt out.

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The Telephone Preference Service is a register of numbers that legitimate UK marketers cannot dial.

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Once you're registered with the Telephone Preference Service, you should get no unwanted calls.

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It's against the law for companies to call when you said you don't want them to,

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but, unfortunately, it does not stop them all. Keith signed his mum up to the Telephone Preference Service,

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but as the company pointed out that does not stop contact from businesses you've dealt with before,

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if you gave consent for future contact. In any case, research by consumer group Which this year

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found that people registered with the service still receive an average of 10 unsolicited calls a month.

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We asked the Telephone Preference Service why that was the case.

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They said signing up...

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..particularly from "reputable companies that abide by the regulations."

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But they also told us...

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And the Information Commissioner...

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So what should you do if you receive a cold call from a company that keeps on ringing?

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Be firm and hang up. Say something along the lines of, "Thank you. I'm not interested. I'm going to hang up.

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"Please remove me from your database." Then put it down. Screening calls is important.

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A lot of service providers offer caller ID so you can see the number of the person trying to call you.

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If you don't recognise it, don't answer the phone. Finally, if you're inundated,

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you can change your number. It's a little bit of a last resort.

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Ask for a brand-new number that hasn't been recycled from someone else.

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Meanwhile, though Keith believes he has done all he possibly can to stop companies cold calling,

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he thinks more needs to be done to prevent people being exploited.

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We have got to stop and have some system, legislative systems, to stop these things happening,

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to stop this mass marketing going on. And if it doesn't? We're just going to have it continuing, aren't we?

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Next, a cold calling scam that can very quickly leave you hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

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And it's remarkably common, so much so that it's estimated

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that one in six people in Britain has already received a similar call.

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Here's everything you need to know about how to avoid being taken in.

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When Hilary Palmer picked up the phone in February, what she was told preyed on every computer user's

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worst nightmare. The caller, who claimed to be from computer operating system Windows,

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said she was at risk from viruses that could cripple her PC and let criminals access her details.

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My reaction when the cold caller said there were loads of viruses

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was, "How could this happen? I have got some anti-virus."

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This lady was insistent that the viruses were potentially dangerous and need to be sorted.

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Convinced that her computer was under threat, Hilary listened and followed technical instructions.

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I fired up my computer and she asked me to type in a few letters

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and that enabled a screen to come up which showed me

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that there were a lot of red warnings on the computer.

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The caller told Hilary that these red warnings were the proof that she had viruses on her computer.

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In fact, the screen she was seeing was a completely innocuous part of the operating system,

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but like most people who get this call, Hilary was not to know these were harmless.

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When I saw the red warning signs, I thought, "This is not good! There must be something wrong."

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She asked me to count them and said if there were more than 38, it was really dangerous.

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And there were many more than 38.

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I was worried that there were so many viruses on the computer

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and that this would destroy it.

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Hilary was told by the caller that she could help her get rid of the viruses, but she'd need access

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to Hilary's computer to do so. So Hilary agreed to let the caller take control of her computer

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over her internet connection. When she got remote access,

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she was able to control the mouse, which was weird. It would whizz around the screen on its own.

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And she was able to get rid of them. This took quite a long time.

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I was on the phone for an hour and a half. She kept talking me through it

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and she'd say, "There's some more." And she'd put up another file and more would come up.

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Of course, in reality, there were no viruses on her computer, but by this point Hilary trusted the caller

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so when offered the chance to buy extra virus protection,

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she was very interested.

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She offered me a package of either one, two or three years

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and I plumped for the two-year one.

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However, I was still a little bit worried about how much it would cost

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and she said she could do me a deal for £150.

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The caller said it was a huge discount on the price of £600,

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so Hilary agreed and the caller emailed over the paperwork.

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She sent a form to my computer which I had to fill in with my credit card details

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and my security information. The caller was still with me when I was filling out the forms.

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She obviously checked the form, said it was all right,

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and then that she would phone me in 10 minutes to confirm everything

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and then put the phone down.

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Hilary had handed all her credit card details over to the caller, including the security code.

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10 minutes pass, half an hour, an hour, and I didn't hear anything.

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I tried to get her number,

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but obviously it was blocked so I was unable to do that.

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Hilary checked her emails for any contact details for the caller, but the emails she had been sent

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had mysteriously disappeared.

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I contacted my son and told him.

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He immediately said, "That's a scam." That's when I felt really sick.

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Cos I'm not a person who would generally be, I don't think, likely to be scammed.

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But through distractions it just took me unawares.

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By the time Hilary realised she'd been scammed,

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she thought it was too late to call her credit card provider, the Post Office, to check on her account.

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When she did check her email the following morning,

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the fraudster had already transferred cash out of her account using Western Union.

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There was an email from Western Union which said "Pickup Notification".

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So I went in to it and it said that £150 had gone out of my account.

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Hilary knew she had to stop the fraudsters taking any more money from her credit card.

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I went to the Post Office to cancel the card as quickly as possible.

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I was worried that if they had access to my card, they'd take more money.

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With the card cancelled, Hilary wrote to the Post Office to ask if there was anything she could do

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to get back the money already taken.

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Unfortunately, there really wasn't anything the Post Office could do.

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As a third party had been used to transfer the lost money, Western Union,

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it's not possible to try to reclaim it through the credit card issuer,

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not least because although they'd been obtained fraudulently, the details were willingly provided.

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So Hilary is left not just £150 out of pocket, but also feeling rather foolish.

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I felt a bit...silly, a bit gullible.

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They'd left me feeling that how stupid was I that I was scammed.

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As in all such successful cold calls, whoever rang Hilary had used a mix of persuasive skills,

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lies and trickery to win her over.

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I think she gained my trust. She was very clever

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in that she talked me through every step of the way and said

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the viruses were bad, especially if there was a certain number,

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so she got me to count. Getting me to count was making me buy into what she was saying.

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When we asked money transfer service Western Union about Hilary's case,

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it said it "commits significant resources to combat consumer fraud",

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investing in monitoring and detecting systems and working closely with law enforcement.

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It added that...

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..stressing you should...

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That's advice reiterated by Microsoft, the business the callers claimed to be from,

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who told us the company...

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The company also warns...

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But this scam is surprisingly common. When Microsoft investigated,

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they discovered one in six of us have received a similar cold call

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and almost a quarter are so convinced it's genuine, they follow instructions.

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It's perhaps a surprise that in Hilary's case they only took £150

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when it would have been very easy to steal much more.

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If I could speak to these people, I would say it is despicable

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that they prey on vulnerable people, people who may not have very good computer knowledge,

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and were able to get money out of them.

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We're on the road again and this year we've brought our pop-up shop to Liverpool!

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We have taken over an empty shop, transformed it overnight, packed it full of experts

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and they're giving advice absolutely free.

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And as well as our shop we've got workshops in the street

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so that as many people as possible can take advantage, get advice and stop being ripped off.

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But back inside our shop, Joy called in for advice from Trading Standards Officer Sylvia Rook.

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She thought she'd been sold a holiday over the phone, but things were not as they first appeared.

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I was rang in November and they offered me a holiday in Malta. I was on my laptop at the time.

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They seemed to be a bona fide website and everything.

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How much were they charging? They wanted 399.

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Joy still wasn't convinced, so they tried another tack.

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She said, "I tell you what, I'll throw in this loyalty card."

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She explained that this was something that you travel a lot, which I do,

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"So whenever you wanted a holiday, we would find you a better deal."

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Finally convinced by the salesperson, Joy signed up and paid using her credit card.

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What came initially was just this.

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Right. Saying that you've paid £399.59.

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And then after that this came... Which is congratulating you on securing your loyalty card.

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I said where is the holiday? I've got the loyalty card. Where's my holiday?

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And this is what I got after that.

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I recognised that as timeshare holidays.

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So it seems what Joy had paid for wasn't the week in Malta she wanted.

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Instead she'd bought membership of a holiday club. Feeling ripped off, Joy asked for her money back.

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I got a reply saying, "Our MD has said you can't have your money back." On what grounds?

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"You've signed a contract." You can make a claim against them.

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They will argue that you knew what you were entering into as a contract, but it was over the phone

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and you are adamant you were buying a holiday. That should be sufficient to pursue it through the courts.

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Under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act, if you make a purchase that's more than £100

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and less than £30,000, if there is breach of contract or it is misdescribed

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the credit card company is equally liable.

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Basic rule of thumb, do not ever purchase anything as a result of a cold call

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unless you have made very extensive investigations into that company and even then be very cautious.

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You won't go that way again for your holiday, will you? No!

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Many visitors stopped off at our complaints corner to let off some consumer steam

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and I got some things off my chest.

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My biggest gripe is lack of loyalty and service.

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And the people of Liverpool weren't backward at coming forward, either.

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In this city of our, Liverpool, prices are becoming extortionate.

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You don't feel you're getting the best deal or good service.

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You're a grown man being talked to like you're 12.

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The experts at our shop have put together some free factsheets

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with key advice from our pop-up weekend. You can find all of them on our website:

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Still to come: two men who took on the cold callers who wouldn't take no for an answer.

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I pleaded with them to stop. I'd asked, begged. It didn't work.

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I said, "If you call me again, I'll charge you £10 a minute for my time."

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If I asked you if there's any type of cold call you've had recently,

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the chances are it will have been from someone telling you they want to help you claim hundreds of pounds

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in mis-sold PPI payments.

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Official figures show that most households typically get seven of these calls every month.

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Not only do they make up the biggest share of all unwanted calls that can be identified,

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they're also the ones that people say are the most annoying.

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Payment Protection Insurance. Three words heard more than any others in the unsolicited calls

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to our homes and mobile phones.

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Hello? PPI was designed to offer protection if you couldn't make the repayments on any borrowing,

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but how it was sold became, for consumers, the biggest banking scandal of recent times.

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A whole industry sprang up to help, offering their services to claim back

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mis-sold payments on your behalf.

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Sammy Morrison from Huddersfield received one of those calls in 2011

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from a company called We Fight Any Claim.com.

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They told me they were one of the first and best companies

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and had I had PPI? At the time, I didn't have a clue what PPI was.

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So they explained it to me, asked me if I had a mortgage, any loans or cards or anything like that.

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Sammy was told that in return for a fee they could get her back nearly £2,000 in mis-sold PPI.

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They said, "Oh, you've definitely had PPI. We can get you X amount of money,

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"but there is an up-front charge." And I was a bit hesitant,

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but they guaranteed - not maybe'd -

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guaranteed that I would have a good payout within a maximum of 12 weeks.

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Convinced by the company's confidence,

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Sammy agreed to the £490 up-front fee that We Fight Any Claim.com were asking for.

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Satisfied that they would then get on with pursuing the two lots of mis-sold PPI they said she was owed,

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Sammy sat back and waited for her cheque to arrive. They were very persuasive

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and extremely confident that the two companies I'd had PPI with

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were two of the best companies for paying out. They were paying out straight away.

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But things didn't move quite as swiftly as Sammy had hoped.

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About three months later, after I'd received all the initial paperwork,

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I received a form for me to sign and send back.

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I rang them up, asked them what this form was.

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They said it's for the company. We now give them 40 days legally

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to get back to us with a decision.

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She had hoped for a cheque, but all she'd got was more paperwork

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asking her to sign and give her consent to them pursuing her claim.

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Very frustrated, Sammy decided to try to find out more.

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I rang the Ministry of Justice and they said at that time it was too soon to do anything,

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legally, because it had only been about six months.

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It seemed that all Sammy could do was wait and see if the £490 she had paid to We Fight Any Claim.com

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would come to anything. But that 12-week wait she'd been promised soon turned into something longer.

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The weeks became months and, finally, years.

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Two years later of going round and round in circles again and tearing my hair out with them.

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In April this year I got back in touch with the Ministry of Justice

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and they told me to write to them, saying I'd been in touch with them

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and under the Freedom of Information Act ask them for copies of everything they've dealt with on my claims

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for the past two years. And that was April and I'm still waiting for a response.

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To see if we could help bring Sammy's wait to an end, we contacted We Fight Any Claim.com

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to find out if they were any closer to getting any of Sammy's PPI back

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and, if not, whether they'd be refunding the £490 up-front fee she'd paid them all that time ago.

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The company apologised for the fact that she has not received the level of service it would wish to provide

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and says "the reasons for the delays are numerous" and due to factors outside its control,

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for example, "delaying tactics" by the companies concerned.

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While that may make it seem as if nothing is being done, such tactics are all too common

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and take time to work through.

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But it says the charges were fully explained and agreed to

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and up-front fees "were fully allowable by the regulatory bodies at the time,"

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although the company stopped using them back in January, 2012

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and customers now only pay a fee as and when money is reclaimed.

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They also said they have fully refunded Sammy's fee.

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10,000 people a week are escalating their complaints to the Financial Ombudsman Service

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after trying and failing to get mis-sold PPI payments returned.

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Denise Barnaby from London is one. She's banked with the Halifax for 30 years,

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but for the last eight months she's fought to get back PPI added without her knowledge to a credit card

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that she's had with the bank since 1996. She didn't use a PPI company to help or respond to a cold call.

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Denise made the claim herself, which should be straightforward,

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but the Halifax denied she was entitled to any money.

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When I first got the letter saying I didn't have any PPI added to my credit card,

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I was very disappointed. I thought something's not quite right here. I need to investigate and research it.

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Determined not to give up, Denise continued to pursue her claim, but the bank refused to back down.

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It was like going round in circles,

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which was taking an immense amount of time and was quite stressful, to be quite honest,

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and sometimes quite depressing.

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Denise contacted the Financial Ombudsman Service and the Halifax eventually accepted her claim.

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However, Denise's relief was short-lived.

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The bank offered her the sum of £1,719.02 -

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much less than she felt she was entitled to. When the offer came,

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I was absolutely shocked because it wasn't right.

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From 1996, that offer just didn't add up.

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Denise refused to accept the cheque from the Halifax and continued to chase the bank for her money.

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I was very determined that they weren't going to get away with whatever they owed me.

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It's my money, so I wasn't going to stop until I got it back.

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Denise continued to fight the claim herself and a few weeks later they offered a revised settlement

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of £2,598.11. That's over £800 more than their original offer.

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And she's keen for other people to follow her example.

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My message to everybody would be once you know you're owed PPI

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don't give up, be persistent, don't go through any of these PPI companies. You don't need to.

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You can do it all yourself.

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Keep battling until you do get your money back.

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We contacted the Halifax, who told us:

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In light of Denise's concerns at the amount of redress, the bank rechecked the calculations

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and found "an automation error which resulted in an incorrect amount being calculated."

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The bank said it's "very sorry to have made a mistake".

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They have offered her £100 for the distress and inconvenience caused.

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But Denise's fight isn't over yet.

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She's now in the process of claiming back PPI she thinks she was mis-sold on loans from the same bank.

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I'm willing to go all the way for my loans PPI and if it means we go through a world of battle again

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as stressful as it is, I am willing to challenge them again.

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Although slower than expected, Denise did the right thing my making her claim herself.

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It's by far the best way to reclaim PPI you think you might be owed.

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You can do this absolutely free.

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You do not need to use a claims management company.

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Go to the Rip-Off Britain website or which.co.uk and you can find

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a pool of resources to help make your complaint. First, gather evidence. Pull together your old paperwork,

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policy numbers, when you took out the policy and who sold it to you.

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Once you gather all your evidence, use some of the template resources on those websites.

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You can fill out your details. They'll generate a template letter

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with all the information to make a valid complaint.

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Send it to your lender and after eight weeks you should get told if your claim has been accepted.

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An estimated 22% of all cold calls are about PPI claims.

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Using a claims management company may seem a tempting option,

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but making the claim yourself means you get to keep all of your money

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and you can find full details as to how to make your claim on our website:

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The thing about the cold calling industry is that those companies involved will claim

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that there are actually people who don't mind receiving an offer over the telephone,

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but the numbers of those who are not at all happy about unsolicited calls, nuisance calls,

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has been steadily rising. So if you've ever felt aggrieved at being called by a company

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that you have absolutely no interest in doing business with at all,

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you'll be particularly interested in our next story and how some people who are sick of cold calls

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have fought back and won. I'm about to meet one of them now and he'll tell you how he did it.

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Some people might consider Steve Higgins and Richard Herman consumer heroes.

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Both of them successfully took on the cold-calling companies who would not take no for an answer.

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Steve was being badgered to reclaim PPI that he knew he could never claim

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and Richard was being hounded daily by calls from the same call centre, one that is based overseas,

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but working for companies in the UK.

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Richard, how did you first become aware of the volume and nuisance value of these unsolicited calls?

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An occasional call, one wouldn't matter, but to get two calls a day

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and to receive calls with the same characteristics made me realise it was probably the same company

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over and over again. I realised I had to stop it.

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Richard figured that if he stayed on the phone, they'd eventually put him through to someone in the UK

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who, wanting him to sign up, would tell him who they were.

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I said, "You need to stop calling me. Take me off the list." I felt that would work, speaking to the UK,

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and I said, "If you call me again, I'll charge you £10 a minute for my time."

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What reaction did you get then? I don't think they took it on board, but I assumed that was the end of it.

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So what happened? About a week later, to my astonishment, they called me again,

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but I carried on until I got through to the same company in the UK.

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I said, "I've already told you not to call me."

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I said I'd be sending an invoice for my time.

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It had taken 19 minutes before the call centre put Richard through to the UK company, PPI Claimline.

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So, true to his word, Richard sent them an invoice for that time,

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asking them to pay him £195.

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Their reply was a little surprising.

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They wrote back to me to say they'd never ever called me,

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but I had recordings of all the calls they had made to me.

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But it was true. PPI Claimline had not made any of the calls themselves. They explained

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that they pay other companies to generate their leads and find people who might be interested

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and then put them through to someone who could seal the deal.

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So although it was PPI Claimline who wanted his business,

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the company actually making the calls was a marketing firm called AAC, based in Bishop's Stortford.

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Determined to prove his point, it was that firm Richard decided should pay for his wasted time.

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He started small claims proceedings against them, but before the case was heard, AAC sent him a cheque

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for £195 plus £25 to cover his court fees.

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I got paid and the cold calls stopped, so it was great.

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But then you started getting more.

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I had about two months with no cold calls, so about three months later

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I started to be cold called again. I played along with it again

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and said I'd charge for my time.

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And when he was called again by another company generating leads for someone else,

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Richard invoiced them, too, this time successfully claiming another £230.

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Certainly from my point of view it's changed the number of calls I get completely.

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Until recently, I had about four months without any. It's made me feel much better. I felt victimised before

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because there's nothing you can do to stop them. Most people who get a nuisance call put the phone down.

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You actually, as an individual, stood up against a very large organisation.

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That took knowledge, but also time and courage.

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I think I had to do it. I was fed up being victimised.

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The only way to get my equilibrium back was to do something about it.

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We wrote to the companies Richard invoiced to get their take on this.

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Most didn't reply, although PPI Claimline told us...

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They accept that the marketing company they used should not have called Richard again

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once he requested to be taken off the consent list. They say...

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Richard has now set up a website Say No To Cold Calls that offers help and advice

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on how to take cold callers to task,

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knowledge that he's used to claim back a considerable amount of money.

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And, impressive as that is, fellow cold call crusader Steve Higgins

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has also had some extraordinary results after getting fed up with unwanted calls in family time.

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We were getting around six, seven, eight phone calls a day.

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And I work away. When I come home, I like to spend quality time with my wife and kids.

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That was often being interrupted having to answer these calls, putting the phone calls down.

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It was just ridiculous.

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One company in particular kept calling, telling Steve he was entitled to a PPI refund.

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Steve knew this was not the case.

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I'd claimed PPI in the past, so I was well aware I'd no right to claim PPI despite them telling me I had.

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During two months in late 2012, Steve received 94 calls,

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of which he thinks the majority were from the same telemarketing company, working for Synergy Leads Ltd.

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However much he asked them to stop, they didn't.

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I'd pleaded with them to stop, I'd asked, I'd begged. It didn't work.

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It was a barrage of calls and I began to log them. That's how I know I had that many calls.

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Steve had had enough. He decided to take action. The next time they called, he again asked them to stop

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and told them he would invoice them £10 for every subsequent call.

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I spoke to their supervisor on the other end.

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I told him I'd asked them to stop and he said he couldn't do that.

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I then told him I would be charging him £10 for every call that they made. He put the phone down on me.

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I hit on a figure of £10 because I looked at how much time I was spending on each phone call

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and then I'd look at my line of work and my chargeable tab.

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But the threat of invoices did not work. The calls kept coming.

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I tried to complain by email, by writing, by phone. No response.

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It was then I decided to take this further.

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So Steve went to the government website Money Claim Online and filed a claim

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with the Small Claims Court. It cost him £60, after which Synergy Leads didn't offer a defence

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and the case was found in Steve's favour. The judgment was for £1,000.

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It was 94 phone calls at £10 a call, £940. And then I also got £60 court costs,

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which the company had to pay. So it was £1,000 in total.

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We wrote to Synergy Leads at their registered address and asked them to comment on Steve's case.

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They haven't responded. Steve has quite a track record in winning money through Small Claims.

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In the past 16 years, he's taken 150 companies through the courts for everything from unfair bank charges

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to mis-sold insurance. And he's been awarded a total of around £75,000 in refunds and costs.

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Since he wont his case, he hasn't had a single cold call.

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If just one person looks at what I did and follows the same path,

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because it's cheap and you don't have to see a solicitor, it's very easy.

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So if one person does it, I'm really quite pleased.

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The more people do it, the less these calls will happen. Companies will sit up and take notice

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and decide against phoning people who shouldn't be phoned.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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You might have a cautionary tale and want to share it with us so others don't do the same thing.

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You can write to us at:

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Or you can send us an email to:

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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It really does seem extraordinary that so many cold calls are still made to people who don't want them.

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They absolutely shouldn't be approaching you if that's the case.

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But remember there are other ways to reduce your unwanted calls.

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For example, do not put your number in the phone book and if asked to tick a box opting out

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of what they call "Carefully selected offers", don't tick the one opting in!

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And there's lots more advice on our website:

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That's where we have to leave you, but we will be back again very soon

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to look at even more situations that leave you feeling ripped off.

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Until then, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye.

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