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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands by post,

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email, even stopping us on the street, and the message could not be clearer.

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There's too much focus on profit and less on customer care.

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It's so hard to complain. Companies make it so difficult to complain.

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You told us, with money tighter than ever, you need to be sure that every pound counts.

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All my money is very hard-earned, so when I go to spend it, I expect value for money.

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Whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and thanks for joining us once again on Rip—Off Britain,

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the series that sets out to make sure that your money goes exactly where you would expect it to

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and buys you what you thought it would.

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But as you'll see today, the sad reality is that your cash isn't always as safe as you'd hope.

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There are always people coming up with new ways to try and relieve you of it,

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but money can be lost for all sorts of reasons and not all of them are malicious,

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so when you've been left out of pocket, it isn't always easy to know what to do or where to turn.

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As we look into more of the stories you've asked us to investigate,

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we won't just unravel what's happened to any money that's gone missing.

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We'll also try to make sure your cash stays where it belongs and if something goes wrong,

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you know exactly what to do.

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'Coming up, how this couple's plans of saving for the future have instead left them with nothing.'

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Looking back, I've got a whole raft of questions I should have asked, but I didn't at the time.

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'Why one of the biggest threats to national security probably isn't what you think.'

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I was angry when I realised I'd been scammed for this amount of money.

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A lot of it was personal pride that I hadn't checked up.

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'And our pop-up shop draws in the crowds in Liverpool.'

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We're used to you telling us about situations where things just haven't worked out the way you'd expected,

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but what happened to this next couple could hardly have been worse

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and the real shame of it is they only got caught up in the whole sorry mess

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because they were trying to make sensible choices for the future.

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But it's ended up with them losing a small fortune with absolutely nothing to show for it

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and rubbing salt into the wound is the fact that despite everything that they've lost,

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they are still having to pay a monthly fee

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for what, as far as they're concerned, is no good reason whatsoever.

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Of all the many kinds of unwanted cold calls,

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regulator Ofcom says 4% are about pensions and with good reason.

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Around a quarter of us have a pension we've forgotten about

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after changing jobs or even after losing the paperwork,

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and that adds up to almost £3 billion stuck in unclaimed pension pots.

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It's not something Ian and Karen Ross from Basingstoke had thought about until one evening in 2011

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when they got a cold call offering to help them find those pots and make use of the money.

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It was a very personable guy on the phone and he just asked me,

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did I have any pension provision, did I have any old works pensions that were frozen?

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I suspected that I did and he said he'd have a look into it for us

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and see if there was any value left in these pensions.

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What I know about pensions you could write on a very small piece of paper.

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I've just relied on advice that comes from my employer.

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Here was somebody saying, "I'll do all the work, I'll find out about these things and I'll help you."

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It was a relief and it was very exciting as well.

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A few weeks after that cold call, a financial adviser rang with news that knocked Ian for six.

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He discovered that Ian's old company pensions were now worth just over £23,000.

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At this news, I was really quite excited.

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It was a windfall.

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I would liken it, I suppose, to winning the Lottery.

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It was money that I didn't know I had, money I didn't really give any thought to,

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and there's somebody on the end of the phone, who I had developed a bit of a relationship with, telling me

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that I had a substantial sum of money and he had found it for me. I was very, very happy.

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But what do you do with £23,000 you never knew you had?

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The financial adviser had a suggestion.

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He recommended that Ian invest in a type of pension product called a SIPP

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which stands for Self-Invested Personal Pension.

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They give investors a greater choice over where their money goes, but they come with a considerable risk,

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so they're not normally recommended to people who don't know a lot about trading and investments.

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It seemed a good idea to invest in something that would be a growth for the future,

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especially as it was money I never knew I had anyway.

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Convinced that the investment was the best way to go,

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Ian signed the forms to invest his £23,000 pension pot.

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Over the next year, he and Karen thought little more about it

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until in March of 2012 when they received a very unwelcome letter.

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One day, I was at home and the post came.

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I opened a letter addressed to Ian and it stated that the company that we had our pension with

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was being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office

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and that our funds and our pension had been put in the hands of the administrators.

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It seemed that the company into which Ian had put his money

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was being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office

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and it soon became clear that Ian and Karen's investment was now worth next to nothing.

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I was distraught. I was really, really upset.

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I could not believe that this money had gone.

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I had a raft of feelings, emotions. I was angry. I didn't want to believe it.

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Karen called Ian at work to break the news.

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My initial reaction from the phone call was shock, as you can well imagine.

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I just suddenly realised, all this sales patter, I had fallen for it

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and now this money that I never knew I had, I no longer had.

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Karen was determined to get to the bottom of what had happened and to try and get some of the money back.

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I told our financial adviser what happened and he was very blase about the situation.

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He told me not to worry and everything would be OK.

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But Ian and Karen kept investigating and as they looked into the investment further,

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it seemed that not all of the £23,000 that Ian had started off with had gone into the same place,

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so it wasn't all lost.

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We noticed that once the funds had been released, they were split in two

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and several thousand pounds was left in a bank account,

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effectively, cash.

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But then Ian got his next shock.

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The bank account that the money was in was held in joint names.

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One was his, but the other in the name of a firm who specialise

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in managing the type of pension Ian had invested in.

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I tried to find out what I could do with this money, but I couldn't do anything with the money

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unless I had permission.

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Instead, the company administering Ian's SIPP were taking fees from the account to do so

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and though the company did suspend the fees while they investigated the situation,

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they reinstated them when they found their contract to administer the doomed pension still stood.

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I was amazed that they were still taking money to administer a pension that actually had no money in it.

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When I asked them why they were taking the fee,

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they said that they were legally entitled by the forms we'd signed and that's what they'd do.

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So the remainder of Ian's unexpected windfall is being whittled down in fees

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to pay for something he's been told has no value.

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That wasn't the end of his troubles. When Ian contacted the FSA,

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which has since become the Financial Conduct Authority, to see if any of his money could be reclaimed,

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he was horrified to learn that the firm their financial adviser had told them he worked for

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had no record of their investment at all. It turned out he'd no longer been working for them at the time.

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As a result, he didn't come under the FSA's jurisdiction and there was nothing they could do.

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The thing that I'm most angry about is that we did do our research, as far as we knew.

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We're not sophisticated people financially.

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We went to the FSA. The individuals at first appeared to be regulated by the FSA.

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We thought we were protected.

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But it turns out that we weren't.

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Ian and Karen have registered with the liquidators handling the company in which their money was invested,

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but it's not clear if they'll ever see any of their money again.

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I'm left feeling frustrated, humiliated, angry.

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The overriding emotion is one of embarrassment.

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Ian and Karen admit to not being fully aware of the risks

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and financial expert Paul Lewis says this is not the kind of scheme

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that ordinary investors should be persuaded to get involved in.

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Karen and Ian were encouraged to put their money into a risky SIPP

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and advisers will say, "High risk means high reward." No, it doesn't.

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High risk means the chance of a bigger reward,

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but also the chance that you will lose your money, as they did.

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If you know nothing about investing, the last thing you want is a self-invested pension.

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You should put it in a stakeholder pension or something like that

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which is relatively safe and charges are low.

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Ian and Karen wish they'd known all of that before they sank their money into a SIPP.

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I didn't understand what a SIPP was and it's only recently

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that I have actually understood what we've invested in.

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Looking back now, I've got a whole raft of questions I should have asked, but I didn't at the time.

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We contacted the financial adviser who got Ian into this mess in the first place,

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but he has not answered any of our questions.

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However, there was a bit of good news when we wrote to the company still taking a fee

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for administering Ian's pension.

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They explained that they were doing so because there's a prospect

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that some money may yet be returned to creditors over the medium to long term

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and during that time, they still have to produce annual reports to both Ian and the regulator,

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but in view of the position faced by investors

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and recognition of the lower volume of administration required,

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they have now reduced their annual fee by a third

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and what's left in the account, a balance of £2,080,

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Ian can now transfer to another scheme without the usual fee.

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But what happened to Ian and Karen is a reminder

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that you need to be very wary of any investment opportunity that comes in a cold call out of the blue.

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And if it's from someone offering to help you find any pension pots you may have lying around,

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you can do that for free through a government service. You don't need the help of the person on the phone.

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Of course, I'm angry. It was sold to me as money I never knew I had,

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so, looking back, maybe that should have rung an alarm bell for me.

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If somebody takes the attitude of "it's money you never knew you had",

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it might make me think, "I don't know I've got it, but you want it."

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If you were asked to name the biggest threat to British security today,

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you might say something like international terrorism,

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but categorised at the same level of risk is cyber crime,

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the very real danger of criminals and rogue states targeting computer systems in the UK.

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If all that sounds too much like the plot of a Hollywood blockbuster,

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the sobering reality is that every day, whenever we turn on a computer,

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most of us are already under attack,

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whether that's from hackers after your cash or some other kind of online fraudster.

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Here's what to watch out for to stay safe online.

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The British economy is under attack.

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The UK is now the number one target for internet gangsters

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with estimates that they and their crimes are costing the economy up to £27 billion a year.

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Cyber crime is a huge threat to the UK, Europe and the rest of the world.

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We do know that it's big and that it's significant and it's very, very difficult to quantify.

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British business earns one in every five pounds from the internet.

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It's a crucial part of the economy that allows us to trade around the world,

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but 93% of large companies and 76% of small ones

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reported an internet security breach in the last year.

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One of them was Jake Kelly's business,

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subject to a single, but very costly attack in May this year.

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It came after Jake ordered an expensive piece of kit from one of his regular suppliers in China.

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They had been working together for years,

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so Jake had no reason to think anything was wrong when he got an email about a change of address.

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Most of my correspondence with China is via email and via Skype.

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I received this email saying, "There's a potential virus, please use this email address from now on."

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I took it as read they got a virus and used the new email address.

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The email looked as if it was from his supplier, but unbeknown to Jake,

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that supplier had received a very similar email too, one that looked as if it was from Jake

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and it said that thanks to a virus, Jake had had to change his email address.

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Neither side had cause to suspect that what they were being told was untrue.

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I just carried on the communication as I normally would have done.

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Over the next few days, Jake and the supplier both sent emails to each other about the order

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and they both got replies that they thought were legitimate.

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Little did they know they were caught in a "man in the middle" attack.

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Every email was being intercepted by a fraudster who was leading Jake to believe his order was all in hand.

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I'm chasing now the delivery of the machine that we've ordered

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and I get a reply back saying the machine is now ready, please pay into this new account.

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It wasn't their normal account. It was a new bank account with an address of Spain.

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I was a bit suspicious, so I did ask them to re-confirm where they wanted us to send this money to.

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They confirmed the Spanish bank account, so we made the payment.

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But as the afternoon went on, Jake couldn't shake the sense of doubt

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and he slowly realised that the Spanish bank account he had just transferred almost £40,000 into

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had nothing to do with his supplier.

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The ball's dropping now slowly and this situation has become real

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that we've been scammed and I've just lost this huge amount of money.

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Hoping he was wrong, Jake called his bank, trying to stop the payment,

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but it had already left his company's account.

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I felt really angry when I realised I'd been scammed for this amount of money.

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A lot of it was personal pride that I hadn't checked up and seen what was happening.

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His next call was to his insurance company.

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I figured this was a theft,

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so we should have insurance on a commercial policy to cover this loss of money.

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So we asked the question to our insurance company whether we have insurance for this type of theft

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and the answer that came back was no, we don't, this is a cyber crime.

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Because Jake willingly transferred the money, there was nothing his bank or insurer could do.

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The police told him to report the crime to Action Fraud, the UK's national fraud reporting centre,

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but there wasn't sufficient evidence at that stage for police to investigate.

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Right now, I've accepted the money's gone. It's been stolen.

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It's gone from us and I really don't have any hope at all of reclaiming this money.

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If we weren't a strong company, that could potentially bankrupt us,

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so it was a real large amount of money and it hurts us, it does hurt us.

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More than three-quarters of small businesses like Jake's have reported an internet security breach

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in the year up to February 2013, and amidst growing concern,

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the Federation of Small Businesses has carried out in-depth research

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into the impact of cyber crime on its members.

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Cyber crime in a business sense can be the simplest phishing email

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that we all too often have come through our email boxes,

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right through to individual or corporate identity theft

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which can have a hugely damaging impact on the business.

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It's a big issue as far as government and our members are concerned.

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If you look at the figures that came out of that survey,

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then it is costing the average small business around about £4,000,

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which for the total number of businesses is around about 800 million.

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That's not an insignificant amount of money, so cyber crime is at the top of everyone's agenda.

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Keeping the UK safe in cyber space will later this year become the responsibility

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of the newly formed National Cyber Crime Unit.

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Many of your traditional offences that you would've seen taking place

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in a traditional, normal, physical world

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have a place now in the cyber world,

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so things like fraud, things like identity theft, things like child exploitation.

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The crimes may be common and the threat real,

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but a significant proportion of online crime isn't reported.

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One of the big issues we have is the reluctance of business and individuals to report these cases.

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For business, I think the main concern has always been around commercial reputation -

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is our money safe with them if they're the subject of cyber attack?

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And many individuals who are the victims of cyber crime don't report it

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because, "A", they're not sure if the police is the right agency

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and "B", because they go to their internet service provider and think that's an appropriate way to report.

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A new training programme will see all police officers trained in cyber crime,

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but in the meantime, there's a lot we can all do to stop the crimes happening in the first place.

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Please protect your computer.

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If you protect it, it's very unlikely that the vast majority of hackers will get anywhere near it.

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The analogy I use is, would you go out now in your car and park it in the high street

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and leave the doors wide open with all your goods on view and walk away?

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I would suggest you wouldn't do that.

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Then why are we prepared to leave our computers wide open

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and all of the very important private data we have on there

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available to people who could hack into it?

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But protecting yourself is about more than just getting the right software in place.

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For Jake, the scam that cost him £40,000 was carefully planned

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and it preyed on the trust he had with his supplier,

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so guarding against cyber crime requires vigilance too.

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I wish in hindsight I'd picked up the phone and spoke to somebody

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and checked out to see whether these emails I was receiving were from our supplier,

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not from a potential scammer.

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We lost £40,000. It's a huge amount of money that will have a big impact on our business.

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Still to come, a year after we first called in, what's happened to the family businesses

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driven to the edge by a product sold to them by their banks?

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It was the closest we came to closing the door for good because we were about to run out of money.

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We're in Liverpool, here for one weekend only with our pop-up shop.

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We've brought along a team of experts to give you advice...

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Make it clear that if they don't give you a refund within 14 working days, you'll pursue it through the courts.

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..so we could try and get your problems resolved.

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What did you make of the advice? Brilliant. Thank you very much.

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This year, for the first time, we were also out on the streets,

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so we could give you advice while you shopped.

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Think about the information you're giving away.

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You are often sharing information that criminals need to steal your identity.

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Gloria, don't you love the workshops that we've got? I've just done one on pensions. We had a great time.

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You've got a pension? I do. 5% from the company, 5% from me.

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Was that your idea or theirs? It was their fantastic idea.

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You wouldn't have thought to do it yourself? I would. I'm very financially savvy now!

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Liverpool has been a great place to pioneer that because the people here are so wonderful.

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John came to visit us after getting a letter about his pension that he didn't understand.

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I'm confused with the small print, the long words. I'm not that well up on that type of thing.

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This is what you call a final salary pension scheme.

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What it says in this letter here is that now the transfer value of what you've got in your pension

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is just under £18,000.

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John wants to know if it's worth withdrawing the money now as a lump sum or should he wait.

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Because this is a final salary scheme, it's probably not worth you taking any money out here.

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Reading on in the letter, it says if you try and cash it in, you'll have less than £9,000,

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whereas if you stay in this scheme, when you turn 65,

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this pension will start paying you an income for the rest of your life.

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James does the sums to work out exactly how much more John will end up with

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by leaving the money where it is.

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Probably you will get about £900 a year out of this paid from next year when you're 65 until you die.

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They're going to keep on paying.

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If you take this money now, it's nice to have it in the bank as it is...

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Financially, it probably won't make sense over the long run unless you died in the next ten years or so.

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What's the chance of me getting bumped off by these people? It's in their interest to get you bumped off!

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I'd say don't take your money out of this. Keep it in there.

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That's smashing. Good luck with it.

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There can't be many of us who haven't at some point dreamed of living a luxury lifestyle

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where our money works hard while we sit back and enjoy ourselves.

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Coming up next are a couple who were told they really could live the high life.

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All they had to do was invest in an exciting new market that came with almost guaranteed returns,

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but the truth was a far cry from the slick and elaborate sales pitch

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and the investments that cost them more than £65,000 are now worth little more than fresh air.

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The City of London, one of the biggest financial centres in the world.

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Billions of pounds change hands here every day.

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Fortunes are made and lost in a heartbeat. Money never sleeps.

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But away from the well-known markets in stocks and shares,

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London's traders also buy and sell commodities, ranging from precious metals to coffee beans.

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It was one of those alternative investments that Gareth Sleight

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and his fiancee Andrea Watson found themselves being talked into.

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In the process of setting up their own business,

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they were looking for opportunities to make their money grow

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and one that promised a return of more than 60% sounded the perfect way to do it.

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Gareth and Andrea were approached last August by a firm of brokers called Diffraction Limited,

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trading as Diffraction Investments,

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who told them about an exciting new market in carbon credits, something most of us would never have heard of,

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let alone totally understand.

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But the pitch was all very convincing and the couple decided to invest more than £2,500.

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Initially, we put in a small amount,

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just to test the water, which is what she suggested I did.

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Gareth and Andrea were told the investment in Andrea's name would mature in just four months

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which was perfect timing as they were looking to raise money towards setting up their own business.

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But that first £2,500 wasn't enough for Diffraction.

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The company's wealth manager started to befriend the couple and to offer them more investment opportunities.

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She'd be ringing me regularly to say, "Hi, how are you doing?"

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We decided to come down and meet them...

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Before we actually... Before we did any further investments

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because first of all, we wanted to see that it was a reputable company,

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that they were normal and reputable people

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and just to get some more information, see the offices and where they worked.

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And they weren't disappointed.

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First, the couple were whisked to a meeting at Diffraction's luxurious offices in the heart of the city

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in a building full of other brokers, investment firms and traders.

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The offices looked the part and the team from Diffraction could also talk the talk.

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They did give us a very good, comprehensive pack which looked very professional, I have to say.

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We were already thinking, "This is good. This will tie in with our business investment."

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The courtship continued as the couple were wined and dined at an exclusive London restaurant.

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I remember him saying, "Would you like to pick the red wine?"

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I looked at the prices and I thought, "Oh, my God, this is really expensive!"

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He went, "Don't pick the cheap one."

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Well, it was very difficult to find a cheap one, to be fair.

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We talked about our personal lives. We didn't talk much about carbon credits.

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So what exactly are carbon credits?

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They were created as a way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

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High-polluting companies are officially allocated a certain number of credits,

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allowing them to emit a particular amount of carbon dioxide.

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Clean companies who don't use all their credits can make money by selling them to dirtier companies

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who would otherwise face big fines for polluting the environment.

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But what Gareth and Andrea weren't told is that carbon credits aren't really suitable

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for everyday investors like them.

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Justin Urquhart Stewart is a financial commentator with experience of market trading and investments.

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The carbon credit market was designed,

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so that companies can buy the right to emit all those toxic fumes.

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Effectively, they're paying for it.

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Now, by buying these elements, they can then effectively be traded if they so wish,

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so it created a secondary market, but this is all about institutions, large institutions, oil companies,

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which need to make sure they are protecting themselves with these carbon credits.

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They all traded amongst themselves and some big institutions.

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It is very definitely not for the retail market.

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That didn't stop Diffraction convincing Gareth and Andrea that the carbon market was the key

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to their financial future.

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The way that they built it up was basically...

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"By this time next year, you probably will have X amount of pounds

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"and you'll be able to reinvest because there'll be that opportunity again.

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"In five years' time, you could be, you could be... Millionaires. Millionaires."

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The couple had spent the whole day in London being seduced by Diffraction's slick and persuasive sell.

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And it worked. Gareth and Andrea agreed to invest another £50,000 in carbon credits

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and transferred the money into Diffraction's account.

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They had now handed over £52,500.

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But Diffraction wanted more.

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Three months later, Gareth and Andrea were persuaded to invest a further £13,000,

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but just before Christmas, they received a text message from a member of the team at Diffraction,

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asking them to transfer the money into a different bank account than the one normally used.

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I had a weird sense to not do it and I should have gone with my instincts. Yeah.

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But because we were busy, I sent the money to that bank account.

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Gareth and Andrea have heard nothing of that £13,000 again.

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The new bank account they'd been asked to pay it into

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belonged to an entirely different company called Oswald Bradshaw.

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But why they were asked to send it there and what happened to it afterwards remains a mystery.

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All that is certain is that it's bought them nothing and, unfortunately, things only got worse

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as it soon became clear that the rest of their investment, all £52,500 of it,

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wasn't all they thought it was either.

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Diffraction Limited told them they'd stopped trading in carbon credits

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and had transferred the couple's investments to yet another company.

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But this third business said they were no longer in the carbon industry either,

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leaving Andrea and Gareth stuck with carbon credits they can't sell.

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They might as well have bought fresh air

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and sadly, financial commentator Justin Urquhart Stewart can only agree.

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What is the likelihood of us actually seeing a return from any of the carbon credits?

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You've still got the credits and they're sitting there with this custodian holding them there,

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but until you can find someone to trade them and assuming they can be traded,

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they are just paper and worth no more than that.

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Frame it, stick it on the kitchen wall and remind yourself, "Never again."

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When we contacted Diffraction, they disagreed that the carbon credits had been mis-sold,

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but said they only sold this type of investment for a short time.

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They told us issues in the carbon credit market were not apparent at the time of these investments

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and although they did believe the couple could sell the credits at a profit, this was not guaranteed

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and they did not promise specific returns. They stress their terms made it clear that there were risks,

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pointing to a clause that states investors may lose the whole amount paid

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and that a call was made to Andrea to check she understood that,

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but they cannot comment on that final investment made to Oswald Bradshaw as they have no link with the company

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and the consultant who sold it has now left the business.

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We spoke to Oswald Bradshaw who insisted they did purchase carbon credits for the couple

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and they sent them a certificate to prove it, but Gareth and Andrea say they never received it.

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The company also told us that while they no longer offer the facility to buy carbon credits,

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Gareth and Andrea's credits are still live and safe.

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We also put questions to the company that now holds the carbon credits

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Gareth and Andrea bought through Diffraction, but they didn't reply.

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To cap it all, Diffraction now focus on another high-stakes commodity - diamonds,

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and they couldn't resist offering the couple yet another investment of a lifetime.

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Even after all this, she sent me an email to my private email,

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asking me about whether I wanted to buy a pink diamond

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and, obviously, said, "What a lovely gift it would be for Andrea on your wedding day!"

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They shouldn't be allowed to trade certainly in this type of environment and get away with it.

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It's completely unacceptable.

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We've put together a free booklet of tips and advice to help safeguard your hard-earned cash.

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You can download it from our website.

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Or for a hard copy, send a stamped, self-addressed A5 envelope

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to the address we'll give you at the end of the programme.

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You'll also find on the website lots more information on the topics

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that we tackle with plenty of tips on how to save money

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and avoid being caught out.

0:32:220:32:24

Last year, we highlighted the really dreadful situation

0:32:250:32:28

that countless small businesses had ended up in because of their bank.

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They found themselves saddled with costs of tens of thousands of pounds

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and some faced going under thanks to something they never really wanted, but had been talked into buying.

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This is a tale about the banks, accusations of mis-selling

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and tens of thousands of businesses pushed to the brink

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by a financial product that many of them should never have been sold in the first place.

0:32:520:32:57

These products have been sold to small traders, farmers,

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people who are not used to dealing with sophisticated financial products.

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In many cases, they didn't even want these products, they didn't ask for them,

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but were told by the bank, "You have to have it to get the loan."

0:33:110:33:15

Small businesses taking out loans were offered products known as interest rate swaps,

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intended to protect them from a rise in interest rates, much like a fixed rate mortgage,

0:33:200:33:25

so when interest rates went up, the amount these businesses paid would be capped,

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but borrowers say they were not told that when rates dropped, repayment amounts would increase greatly.

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That's exactly what happened to the Lilley family,

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owners of Darby's Glass and DIY Store in Marske-by-the-Sea in Cleveland.

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In our last series, they told us how when they took out a business loan of £450,000

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from HSBC in 2007, the bank also sold them an interest rate swap off the back of it.

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But a product they thought would protect them

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has instead ended up having a devastating effect on the family business.

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I always had the attitude that if you went to the bank, you went for help and you'd get the best advice.

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That seems to be something that's gone by the by.

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We've paid HSBC £50,000 towards this base rate swap so far.

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We've laid off staff. We've had to put back growth of the business.

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To be honest, I'm pretty tired.

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I have to work all the time. Most weeks, I work seven days a week and I just feel very bitter.

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That one's quite nice with the white border round it.

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As interest rates have come down since they took out the loan six years ago,

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their repayments have gone up by hundreds of pounds a month and since we filmed with them last year,

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things continued to get worse.

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We've struggled on. I've had to find money from my own finances.

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We've struggled with staffing levels and stock levels have fallen.

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The effect is we don't always sleep at night because we're worrying about how we'll survive the next day.

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It's a day-to-day existence.

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If it wasn't for the internet side which is mainly down to my daughter,

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the business would have folded.

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The big banks have agreed to review the sale of around 40,000 interest rate swap products like Darby's.

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Another of those badly affected we visited last year was the long-established electrical store

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run by Paul Adcock and his family in Watton in Norfolk.

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This is my great-grandfather, Ernest Adcock.

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Four generations on, we've survived two world wars, depressions, booms, busts.

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The company now is on its knees because the bank that supported us for all those years

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thought it wise that we have this horrendous product.

0:35:450:35:48

Paul had also been left fighting to save his business

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due to an interest rate swap product sold to him by Barclays,

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one that has left him paying a huge £4,500 per month on top of the existing loan repayments.

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One year on and the doors are still open, but it's no longer the busy shop it used to be.

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The cash starvation that we had because of these extra interest payments

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had really made it more and more difficult to trade.

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Our levels of stock really were depleted

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because of the cash flow problems.

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We hadn't been able to keep up to date with payments to suppliers,

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so the major suppliers had not traded with us.

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And low stock levels mean empty shelves, something no retailer ever wants to experience.

0:36:310:36:37

People who weren't aware of the situation assumed we were having a closing-down sale,

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but we assured people we weren't intending to close down, but in this situation, we had no choice.

0:36:420:36:47

Businesses like Paul's were pinning their hopes on an investigation by the Financial Services Authority

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and in January this year, the FSA found that interest rate swap products had been mis-sold

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in over 90% of cases it reviewed as part of an initial study.

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The banking industry has set aside billions of pounds to compensate small business owners affected,

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but Business Secretary Vince Cable has criticised Britain's biggest lenders for stalling on paying out.

0:37:100:37:17

We're now in the process whereby they're negotiating with the companies

0:37:170:37:22

about the redress they will actually get, case by case.

0:37:220:37:25

The worry of many of the companies that are now seeking redress is that the redress is not automatic,

0:37:250:37:31

as it was in the case of Payment Protection Insurance, PPI.

0:37:310:37:35

They're having to negotiate one by one with the banks.

0:37:350:37:39

If they're dissatisfied with the outcome, they don't have any comeback.

0:37:390:37:44

But for Paul's business, it's good news. It's been officially recognised that he was a victim

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of mis-selling by his bank Barclays.

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When we got the letter in the middle of June, it was a great relief, but it was also a sense of vindication

0:37:530:37:59

that all we had been saying and complaining about had been recognised by the bank.

0:37:590:38:04

It was the wrong product

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and at long last now, there was some relief in sight in forms of redress.

0:38:060:38:12

With Barclays accepting responsibility for the mis-selling of the product,

0:38:120:38:17

Paul is hoping that he'll soon be compensated and his business can recover, but he remains cautious.

0:38:170:38:23

We're not popping the champagne corks just yet because we don't know when it will arrive

0:38:230:38:29

and there are additional costs to consider as well,

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so we are hopeful that it won't be ever so much longer.

0:38:320:38:35

When we contacted Barclays, the bank told us it continues to work with Paul

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to support his company through challenging market conditions,

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stressing it's in the interest of both Barclays and its customers

0:38:450:38:48

to complete the review as soon as possible and it's progressing as fast as it can.

0:38:480:38:53

The Lilleys in Cleveland are also hoping their troubles will soon be at an end.

0:38:540:38:59

In June, they were told by the Financial Ombudsman that the product they had been sold by HSBC

0:38:590:39:05

had been unsuitable and the bank should put right the effect it's had on their business.

0:39:050:39:10

We're waiting for a response by HSBC to see what our final settlement will be,

0:39:100:39:16

then we'll know exactly where we are financially.

0:39:160:39:19

We want an outcome which shows that we haven't made any loss,

0:39:190:39:25

the personal circumstances for us alter that we are then comfortable again.

0:39:250:39:31

We want to get the situation solved,

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so that we can get the shop back on track.

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HSBC told us it would be inappropriate to comment on matters which are confidential,

0:39:380:39:43

but assured us the bank is doing everything it can

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to complete its past business review as quickly as possible,

0:39:470:39:50

prioritising cases where customers are experiencing financial difficulties.

0:39:500:39:55

Now, it remains uncertain exactly when and by how much

0:39:550:39:59

both Darby's and Adcocks will be compensated by their banks.

0:39:590:40:03

However, both family businesses will never be able to get back the years lost worrying about the impact

0:40:030:40:09

of being mis-sold a product.

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The whole experience has left me feeling quite bitter towards the bank and the way we've been treated.

0:40:110:40:18

The bank haven't been forthcoming with what is our money and not the bank's

0:40:190:40:24

and they've still not given us it back yet.

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The personal effect has been very stressful, needless to say,

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and as we're a family business, it affects all of the family

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because all of our livelihoods depend upon it

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and I'm sure this was the closest we came to closing the door for the last time

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as we were about to run out of money.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills? Trying to wade through never-ending small print?

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When they sit you down to sign up for things, they don't give you time to read through all the small print.

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I was horrified. I haven't got that sort of money to waste like that.

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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As we hear all too often at Rip-Off Britain,

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money can be so easy to lose, but very hard to get back

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and that can apply whether you're dealing with companies

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that are respectable household names or ones not so familiar.

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And who knows, maybe one or two that aren't that respectable either!

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You have to be constantly alert to the possibility that someone might be trying to trick you out of your money

0:42:130:42:19

or promising something they can't deliver.

0:42:190:42:21

That can be especially true online where you can't always be sure

0:42:210:42:26

exactly who you're dealing with or where they are.

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But the key advice is to make sure you don't accidentally give out any personal details

0:42:290:42:34

or any clues that someone could use to get hold of your money

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and if you're signing up for anything in person,

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make sure, particularly if there are big sums involved, that you take independent advice.

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That's where we have to leave it for today, but we'll be back with more of your stories,

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so until the next time, from all of us, bye-bye. Bye. Bye.

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