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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands by post, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
email, even stopping us on the street, and the message could not be clearer. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:15 | |
There's too much focus on profit and less on customer care. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
It's so hard to complain. Companies make it so difficult to complain. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
You told us, with money tighter than ever, you need to be sure that every pound counts. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
All my money is very hard-earned, so when I go to spend it, I expect value for money. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
Whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Hello and thanks for joining us once again on Rip—Off Britain, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
the series that sets out to make sure that your money goes exactly where you would expect it to | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
and buys you what you thought it would. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
But as you'll see today, the sad reality is that your cash isn't always as safe as you'd hope. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
There are always people coming up with new ways to try and relieve you of it, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
but money can be lost for all sorts of reasons and not all of them are malicious, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
so when you've been left out of pocket, it isn't always easy to know what to do or where to turn. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
As we look into more of the stories you've asked us to investigate, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
we won't just unravel what's happened to any money that's gone missing. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
We'll also try to make sure your cash stays where it belongs and if something goes wrong, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
you know exactly what to do. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
'Coming up, how this couple's plans of saving for the future have instead left them with nothing.' | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
Looking back, I've got a whole raft of questions I should have asked, but I didn't at the time. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
'Why one of the biggest threats to national security probably isn't what you think.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:54 | |
I was angry when I realised I'd been scammed for this amount of money. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
A lot of it was personal pride that I hadn't checked up. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
'And our pop-up shop draws in the crowds in Liverpool.' | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
We're used to you telling us about situations where things just haven't worked out the way you'd expected, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
but what happened to this next couple could hardly have been worse | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
and the real shame of it is they only got caught up in the whole sorry mess | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
because they were trying to make sensible choices for the future. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
But it's ended up with them losing a small fortune with absolutely nothing to show for it | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
and rubbing salt into the wound is the fact that despite everything that they've lost, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
they are still having to pay a monthly fee | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
for what, as far as they're concerned, is no good reason whatsoever. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Of all the many kinds of unwanted cold calls, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
regulator Ofcom says 4% are about pensions and with good reason. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Around a quarter of us have a pension we've forgotten about | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
after changing jobs or even after losing the paperwork, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
and that adds up to almost £3 billion stuck in unclaimed pension pots. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
It's not something Ian and Karen Ross from Basingstoke had thought about until one evening in 2011 | 0:03:05 | 0:03:12 | |
when they got a cold call offering to help them find those pots and make use of the money. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:18 | |
It was a very personable guy on the phone and he just asked me, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
did I have any pension provision, did I have any old works pensions that were frozen? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
I suspected that I did and he said he'd have a look into it for us | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
and see if there was any value left in these pensions. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
What I know about pensions you could write on a very small piece of paper. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
I've just relied on advice that comes from my employer. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
Here was somebody saying, "I'll do all the work, I'll find out about these things and I'll help you." | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
It was a relief and it was very exciting as well. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
A few weeks after that cold call, a financial adviser rang with news that knocked Ian for six. | 0:03:53 | 0:04:00 | |
He discovered that Ian's old company pensions were now worth just over £23,000. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:06 | |
At this news, I was really quite excited. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
It was a windfall. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I would liken it, I suppose, to winning the Lottery. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
It was money that I didn't know I had, money I didn't really give any thought to, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
and there's somebody on the end of the phone, who I had developed a bit of a relationship with, telling me | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
that I had a substantial sum of money and he had found it for me. I was very, very happy. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
But what do you do with £23,000 you never knew you had? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
The financial adviser had a suggestion. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
He recommended that Ian invest in a type of pension product called a SIPP | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
which stands for Self-Invested Personal Pension. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
They give investors a greater choice over where their money goes, but they come with a considerable risk, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
so they're not normally recommended to people who don't know a lot about trading and investments. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
It seemed a good idea to invest in something that would be a growth for the future, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:04 | |
especially as it was money I never knew I had anyway. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Convinced that the investment was the best way to go, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Ian signed the forms to invest his £23,000 pension pot. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Over the next year, he and Karen thought little more about it | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
until in March of 2012 when they received a very unwelcome letter. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
One day, I was at home and the post came. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
I opened a letter addressed to Ian and it stated that the company that we had our pension with | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
was being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
and that our funds and our pension had been put in the hands of the administrators. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
It seemed that the company into which Ian had put his money | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
was being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
and it soon became clear that Ian and Karen's investment was now worth next to nothing. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
I was distraught. I was really, really upset. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I could not believe that this money had gone. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
I had a raft of feelings, emotions. I was angry. I didn't want to believe it. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
Karen called Ian at work to break the news. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
My initial reaction from the phone call was shock, as you can well imagine. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
I just suddenly realised, all this sales patter, I had fallen for it | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
and now this money that I never knew I had, I no longer had. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Karen was determined to get to the bottom of what had happened and to try and get some of the money back. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:31 | |
I told our financial adviser what happened and he was very blase about the situation. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
He told me not to worry and everything would be OK. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
But Ian and Karen kept investigating and as they looked into the investment further, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
it seemed that not all of the £23,000 that Ian had started off with had gone into the same place, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
so it wasn't all lost. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
We noticed that once the funds had been released, they were split in two | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
and several thousand pounds was left in a bank account, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
effectively, cash. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
But then Ian got his next shock. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
The bank account that the money was in was held in joint names. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
One was his, but the other in the name of a firm who specialise | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
in managing the type of pension Ian had invested in. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
I tried to find out what I could do with this money, but I couldn't do anything with the money | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
unless I had permission. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Instead, the company administering Ian's SIPP were taking fees from the account to do so | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
and though the company did suspend the fees while they investigated the situation, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
they reinstated them when they found their contract to administer the doomed pension still stood. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
I was amazed that they were still taking money to administer a pension that actually had no money in it. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
When I asked them why they were taking the fee, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
they said that they were legally entitled by the forms we'd signed and that's what they'd do. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
So the remainder of Ian's unexpected windfall is being whittled down in fees | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
to pay for something he's been told has no value. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
That wasn't the end of his troubles. When Ian contacted the FSA, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
which has since become the Financial Conduct Authority, to see if any of his money could be reclaimed, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
he was horrified to learn that the firm their financial adviser had told them he worked for | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
had no record of their investment at all. It turned out he'd no longer been working for them at the time. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:25 | |
As a result, he didn't come under the FSA's jurisdiction and there was nothing they could do. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
The thing that I'm most angry about is that we did do our research, as far as we knew. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
We're not sophisticated people financially. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
We went to the FSA. The individuals at first appeared to be regulated by the FSA. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
We thought we were protected. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
But it turns out that we weren't. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Ian and Karen have registered with the liquidators handling the company in which their money was invested, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
but it's not clear if they'll ever see any of their money again. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
I'm left feeling frustrated, humiliated, angry. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
The overriding emotion is one of embarrassment. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Ian and Karen admit to not being fully aware of the risks | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
and financial expert Paul Lewis says this is not the kind of scheme | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
that ordinary investors should be persuaded to get involved in. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Karen and Ian were encouraged to put their money into a risky SIPP | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
and advisers will say, "High risk means high reward." No, it doesn't. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
High risk means the chance of a bigger reward, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
but also the chance that you will lose your money, as they did. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
If you know nothing about investing, the last thing you want is a self-invested pension. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
You should put it in a stakeholder pension or something like that | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
which is relatively safe and charges are low. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Ian and Karen wish they'd known all of that before they sank their money into a SIPP. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
I didn't understand what a SIPP was and it's only recently | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
that I have actually understood what we've invested in. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
Looking back now, I've got a whole raft of questions I should have asked, but I didn't at the time. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
We contacted the financial adviser who got Ian into this mess in the first place, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:10 | |
but he has not answered any of our questions. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
However, there was a bit of good news when we wrote to the company still taking a fee | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
for administering Ian's pension. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
They explained that they were doing so because there's a prospect | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
that some money may yet be returned to creditors over the medium to long term | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
and during that time, they still have to produce annual reports to both Ian and the regulator, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
but in view of the position faced by investors | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
and recognition of the lower volume of administration required, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
they have now reduced their annual fee by a third | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
and what's left in the account, a balance of £2,080, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Ian can now transfer to another scheme without the usual fee. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
But what happened to Ian and Karen is a reminder | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
that you need to be very wary of any investment opportunity that comes in a cold call out of the blue. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
And if it's from someone offering to help you find any pension pots you may have lying around, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
you can do that for free through a government service. You don't need the help of the person on the phone. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
Of course, I'm angry. It was sold to me as money I never knew I had, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
so, looking back, maybe that should have rung an alarm bell for me. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
If somebody takes the attitude of "it's money you never knew you had", | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
it might make me think, "I don't know I've got it, but you want it." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
If you were asked to name the biggest threat to British security today, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
you might say something like international terrorism, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
but categorised at the same level of risk is cyber crime, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
the very real danger of criminals and rogue states targeting computer systems in the UK. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
If all that sounds too much like the plot of a Hollywood blockbuster, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
the sobering reality is that every day, whenever we turn on a computer, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
most of us are already under attack, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
whether that's from hackers after your cash or some other kind of online fraudster. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
Here's what to watch out for to stay safe online. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
The British economy is under attack. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
The UK is now the number one target for internet gangsters | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
with estimates that they and their crimes are costing the economy up to £27 billion a year. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
Cyber crime is a huge threat to the UK, Europe and the rest of the world. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
We do know that it's big and that it's significant and it's very, very difficult to quantify. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:37 | |
British business earns one in every five pounds from the internet. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
It's a crucial part of the economy that allows us to trade around the world, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
but 93% of large companies and 76% of small ones | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
reported an internet security breach in the last year. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
One of them was Jake Kelly's business, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
subject to a single, but very costly attack in May this year. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
It came after Jake ordered an expensive piece of kit from one of his regular suppliers in China. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:07 | |
They had been working together for years, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
so Jake had no reason to think anything was wrong when he got an email about a change of address. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Most of my correspondence with China is via email and via Skype. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
I received this email saying, "There's a potential virus, please use this email address from now on." | 0:13:18 | 0:13:25 | |
I took it as read they got a virus and used the new email address. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
The email looked as if it was from his supplier, but unbeknown to Jake, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
that supplier had received a very similar email too, one that looked as if it was from Jake | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
and it said that thanks to a virus, Jake had had to change his email address. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
Neither side had cause to suspect that what they were being told was untrue. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
I just carried on the communication as I normally would have done. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Over the next few days, Jake and the supplier both sent emails to each other about the order | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
and they both got replies that they thought were legitimate. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Little did they know they were caught in a "man in the middle" attack. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Every email was being intercepted by a fraudster who was leading Jake to believe his order was all in hand. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:13 | |
I'm chasing now the delivery of the machine that we've ordered | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
and I get a reply back saying the machine is now ready, please pay into this new account. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
It wasn't their normal account. It was a new bank account with an address of Spain. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
I was a bit suspicious, so I did ask them to re-confirm where they wanted us to send this money to. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
They confirmed the Spanish bank account, so we made the payment. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
But as the afternoon went on, Jake couldn't shake the sense of doubt | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
and he slowly realised that the Spanish bank account he had just transferred almost £40,000 into | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
had nothing to do with his supplier. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
The ball's dropping now slowly and this situation has become real | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
that we've been scammed and I've just lost this huge amount of money. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Hoping he was wrong, Jake called his bank, trying to stop the payment, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
but it had already left his company's account. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I felt really angry when I realised I'd been scammed for this amount of money. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
A lot of it was personal pride that I hadn't checked up and seen what was happening. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
His next call was to his insurance company. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
I figured this was a theft, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
so we should have insurance on a commercial policy to cover this loss of money. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
So we asked the question to our insurance company whether we have insurance for this type of theft | 0:15:28 | 0:15:35 | |
and the answer that came back was no, we don't, this is a cyber crime. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
Because Jake willingly transferred the money, there was nothing his bank or insurer could do. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
The police told him to report the crime to Action Fraud, the UK's national fraud reporting centre, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
but there wasn't sufficient evidence at that stage for police to investigate. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
Right now, I've accepted the money's gone. It's been stolen. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
It's gone from us and I really don't have any hope at all of reclaiming this money. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
If we weren't a strong company, that could potentially bankrupt us, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
so it was a real large amount of money and it hurts us, it does hurt us. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
More than three-quarters of small businesses like Jake's have reported an internet security breach | 0:16:16 | 0:16:22 | |
in the year up to February 2013, and amidst growing concern, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
the Federation of Small Businesses has carried out in-depth research | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
into the impact of cyber crime on its members. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
Cyber crime in a business sense can be the simplest phishing email | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
that we all too often have come through our email boxes, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
right through to individual or corporate identity theft | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
which can have a hugely damaging impact on the business. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
It's a big issue as far as government and our members are concerned. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
If you look at the figures that came out of that survey, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
then it is costing the average small business around about £4,000, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
which for the total number of businesses is around about 800 million. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
That's not an insignificant amount of money, so cyber crime is at the top of everyone's agenda. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
Keeping the UK safe in cyber space will later this year become the responsibility | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
of the newly formed National Cyber Crime Unit. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Many of your traditional offences that you would've seen taking place | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
in a traditional, normal, physical world | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
have a place now in the cyber world, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
so things like fraud, things like identity theft, things like child exploitation. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
The crimes may be common and the threat real, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
but a significant proportion of online crime isn't reported. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
One of the big issues we have is the reluctance of business and individuals to report these cases. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
For business, I think the main concern has always been around commercial reputation - | 0:17:47 | 0:17:54 | |
is our money safe with them if they're the subject of cyber attack? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
And many individuals who are the victims of cyber crime don't report it | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
because, "A", they're not sure if the police is the right agency | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
and "B", because they go to their internet service provider and think that's an appropriate way to report. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
A new training programme will see all police officers trained in cyber crime, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
but in the meantime, there's a lot we can all do to stop the crimes happening in the first place. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
Please protect your computer. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
If you protect it, it's very unlikely that the vast majority of hackers will get anywhere near it. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
The analogy I use is, would you go out now in your car and park it in the high street | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
and leave the doors wide open with all your goods on view and walk away? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
I would suggest you wouldn't do that. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Then why are we prepared to leave our computers wide open | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
and all of the very important private data we have on there | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
available to people who could hack into it? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
But protecting yourself is about more than just getting the right software in place. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
For Jake, the scam that cost him £40,000 was carefully planned | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
and it preyed on the trust he had with his supplier, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
so guarding against cyber crime requires vigilance too. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
I wish in hindsight I'd picked up the phone and spoke to somebody | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
and checked out to see whether these emails I was receiving were from our supplier, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
not from a potential scammer. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
We lost £40,000. It's a huge amount of money that will have a big impact on our business. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
Still to come, a year after we first called in, what's happened to the family businesses | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
driven to the edge by a product sold to them by their banks? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
It was the closest we came to closing the door for good because we were about to run out of money. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:48 | |
We're in Liverpool, here for one weekend only with our pop-up shop. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
We've brought along a team of experts to give you advice... | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
Make it clear that if they don't give you a refund within 14 working days, you'll pursue it through the courts. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:07 | |
..so we could try and get your problems resolved. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
What did you make of the advice? Brilliant. Thank you very much. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
This year, for the first time, we were also out on the streets, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
so we could give you advice while you shopped. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Think about the information you're giving away. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
You are often sharing information that criminals need to steal your identity. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
Gloria, don't you love the workshops that we've got? I've just done one on pensions. We had a great time. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:39 | |
You've got a pension? I do. 5% from the company, 5% from me. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
Was that your idea or theirs? It was their fantastic idea. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
You wouldn't have thought to do it yourself? I would. I'm very financially savvy now! | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
Liverpool has been a great place to pioneer that because the people here are so wonderful. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:58 | |
John came to visit us after getting a letter about his pension that he didn't understand. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:04 | |
I'm confused with the small print, the long words. I'm not that well up on that type of thing. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
This is what you call a final salary pension scheme. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
What it says in this letter here is that now the transfer value of what you've got in your pension | 0:21:13 | 0:21:19 | |
is just under £18,000. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
John wants to know if it's worth withdrawing the money now as a lump sum or should he wait. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
Because this is a final salary scheme, it's probably not worth you taking any money out here. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:33 | |
Reading on in the letter, it says if you try and cash it in, you'll have less than £9,000, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
whereas if you stay in this scheme, when you turn 65, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
this pension will start paying you an income for the rest of your life. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
James does the sums to work out exactly how much more John will end up with | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
by leaving the money where it is. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Probably you will get about £900 a year out of this paid from next year when you're 65 until you die. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:02 | |
They're going to keep on paying. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
If you take this money now, it's nice to have it in the bank as it is... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Financially, it probably won't make sense over the long run unless you died in the next ten years or so. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:15 | |
What's the chance of me getting bumped off by these people? It's in their interest to get you bumped off! | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
I'd say don't take your money out of this. Keep it in there. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
That's smashing. Good luck with it. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
There can't be many of us who haven't at some point dreamed of living a luxury lifestyle | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
where our money works hard while we sit back and enjoy ourselves. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Coming up next are a couple who were told they really could live the high life. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
All they had to do was invest in an exciting new market that came with almost guaranteed returns, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:52 | |
but the truth was a far cry from the slick and elaborate sales pitch | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
and the investments that cost them more than £65,000 are now worth little more than fresh air. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
The City of London, one of the biggest financial centres in the world. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
Billions of pounds change hands here every day. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Fortunes are made and lost in a heartbeat. Money never sleeps. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
But away from the well-known markets in stocks and shares, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
London's traders also buy and sell commodities, ranging from precious metals to coffee beans. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
It was one of those alternative investments that Gareth Sleight | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
and his fiancee Andrea Watson found themselves being talked into. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
In the process of setting up their own business, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
they were looking for opportunities to make their money grow | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
and one that promised a return of more than 60% sounded the perfect way to do it. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
Gareth and Andrea were approached last August by a firm of brokers called Diffraction Limited, | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
trading as Diffraction Investments, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
who told them about an exciting new market in carbon credits, something most of us would never have heard of, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:09 | |
let alone totally understand. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
But the pitch was all very convincing and the couple decided to invest more than £2,500. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
Initially, we put in a small amount, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
just to test the water, which is what she suggested I did. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Gareth and Andrea were told the investment in Andrea's name would mature in just four months | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
which was perfect timing as they were looking to raise money towards setting up their own business. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
But that first £2,500 wasn't enough for Diffraction. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
The company's wealth manager started to befriend the couple and to offer them more investment opportunities. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:48 | |
She'd be ringing me regularly to say, "Hi, how are you doing?" | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
We decided to come down and meet them... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Before we actually... Before we did any further investments | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
because first of all, we wanted to see that it was a reputable company, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
that they were normal and reputable people | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
and just to get some more information, see the offices and where they worked. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
And they weren't disappointed. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
First, the couple were whisked to a meeting at Diffraction's luxurious offices in the heart of the city | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
in a building full of other brokers, investment firms and traders. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
The offices looked the part and the team from Diffraction could also talk the talk. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
They did give us a very good, comprehensive pack which looked very professional, I have to say. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
We were already thinking, "This is good. This will tie in with our business investment." | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
The courtship continued as the couple were wined and dined at an exclusive London restaurant. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
I remember him saying, "Would you like to pick the red wine?" | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
I looked at the prices and I thought, "Oh, my God, this is really expensive!" | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
He went, "Don't pick the cheap one." | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Well, it was very difficult to find a cheap one, to be fair. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
We talked about our personal lives. We didn't talk much about carbon credits. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
So what exactly are carbon credits? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
They were created as a way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
High-polluting companies are officially allocated a certain number of credits, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
allowing them to emit a particular amount of carbon dioxide. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Clean companies who don't use all their credits can make money by selling them to dirtier companies | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
who would otherwise face big fines for polluting the environment. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
But what Gareth and Andrea weren't told is that carbon credits aren't really suitable | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
for everyday investors like them. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Justin Urquhart Stewart is a financial commentator with experience of market trading and investments. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:52 | |
The carbon credit market was designed, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
so that companies can buy the right to emit all those toxic fumes. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Effectively, they're paying for it. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
Now, by buying these elements, they can then effectively be traded if they so wish, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
so it created a secondary market, but this is all about institutions, large institutions, oil companies, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
which need to make sure they are protecting themselves with these carbon credits. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
They all traded amongst themselves and some big institutions. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
It is very definitely not for the retail market. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
That didn't stop Diffraction convincing Gareth and Andrea that the carbon market was the key | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
to their financial future. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
The way that they built it up was basically... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
"By this time next year, you probably will have X amount of pounds | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
"and you'll be able to reinvest because there'll be that opportunity again. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
"In five years' time, you could be, you could be... Millionaires. Millionaires." | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
The couple had spent the whole day in London being seduced by Diffraction's slick and persuasive sell. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:57 | |
And it worked. Gareth and Andrea agreed to invest another £50,000 in carbon credits | 0:27:57 | 0:28:03 | |
and transferred the money into Diffraction's account. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
They had now handed over £52,500. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
But Diffraction wanted more. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Three months later, Gareth and Andrea were persuaded to invest a further £13,000, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
but just before Christmas, they received a text message from a member of the team at Diffraction, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
asking them to transfer the money into a different bank account than the one normally used. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:30 | |
I had a weird sense to not do it and I should have gone with my instincts. Yeah. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:36 | |
But because we were busy, I sent the money to that bank account. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Gareth and Andrea have heard nothing of that £13,000 again. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
The new bank account they'd been asked to pay it into | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
belonged to an entirely different company called Oswald Bradshaw. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
But why they were asked to send it there and what happened to it afterwards remains a mystery. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
All that is certain is that it's bought them nothing and, unfortunately, things only got worse | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
as it soon became clear that the rest of their investment, all £52,500 of it, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
wasn't all they thought it was either. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Diffraction Limited told them they'd stopped trading in carbon credits | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
and had transferred the couple's investments to yet another company. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
But this third business said they were no longer in the carbon industry either, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
leaving Andrea and Gareth stuck with carbon credits they can't sell. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
They might as well have bought fresh air | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
and sadly, financial commentator Justin Urquhart Stewart can only agree. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
What is the likelihood of us actually seeing a return from any of the carbon credits? | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
You've still got the credits and they're sitting there with this custodian holding them there, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
but until you can find someone to trade them and assuming they can be traded, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
they are just paper and worth no more than that. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
Frame it, stick it on the kitchen wall and remind yourself, "Never again." | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
When we contacted Diffraction, they disagreed that the carbon credits had been mis-sold, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
but said they only sold this type of investment for a short time. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
They told us issues in the carbon credit market were not apparent at the time of these investments | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
and although they did believe the couple could sell the credits at a profit, this was not guaranteed | 0:30:15 | 0:30:21 | |
and they did not promise specific returns. They stress their terms made it clear that there were risks, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:27 | |
pointing to a clause that states investors may lose the whole amount paid | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
and that a call was made to Andrea to check she understood that, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
but they cannot comment on that final investment made to Oswald Bradshaw as they have no link with the company | 0:30:35 | 0:30:41 | |
and the consultant who sold it has now left the business. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
We spoke to Oswald Bradshaw who insisted they did purchase carbon credits for the couple | 0:30:44 | 0:30:50 | |
and they sent them a certificate to prove it, but Gareth and Andrea say they never received it. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
The company also told us that while they no longer offer the facility to buy carbon credits, | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
Gareth and Andrea's credits are still live and safe. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
We also put questions to the company that now holds the carbon credits | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
Gareth and Andrea bought through Diffraction, but they didn't reply. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
To cap it all, Diffraction now focus on another high-stakes commodity - diamonds, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:19 | |
and they couldn't resist offering the couple yet another investment of a lifetime. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
Even after all this, she sent me an email to my private email, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
asking me about whether I wanted to buy a pink diamond | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
and, obviously, said, "What a lovely gift it would be for Andrea on your wedding day!" | 0:31:34 | 0:31:41 | |
They shouldn't be allowed to trade certainly in this type of environment and get away with it. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
It's completely unacceptable. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
We've put together a free booklet of tips and advice to help safeguard your hard-earned cash. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
You can download it from our website. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
Or for a hard copy, send a stamped, self-addressed A5 envelope | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
to the address we'll give you at the end of the programme. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
You'll also find on the website lots more information on the topics | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
that we tackle with plenty of tips on how to save money | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
and avoid being caught out. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Last year, we highlighted the really dreadful situation | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
that countless small businesses had ended up in because of their bank. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
They found themselves saddled with costs of tens of thousands of pounds | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
and some faced going under thanks to something they never really wanted, but had been talked into buying. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:43 | |
This is a tale about the banks, accusations of mis-selling | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
and tens of thousands of businesses pushed to the brink | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
by a financial product that many of them should never have been sold in the first place. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
These products have been sold to small traders, farmers, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
people who are not used to dealing with sophisticated financial products. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
In many cases, they didn't even want these products, they didn't ask for them, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
but were told by the bank, "You have to have it to get the loan." | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
Small businesses taking out loans were offered products known as interest rate swaps, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
intended to protect them from a rise in interest rates, much like a fixed rate mortgage, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
so when interest rates went up, the amount these businesses paid would be capped, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
but borrowers say they were not told that when rates dropped, repayment amounts would increase greatly. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:36 | |
That's exactly what happened to the Lilley family, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
owners of Darby's Glass and DIY Store in Marske-by-the-Sea in Cleveland. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
In our last series, they told us how when they took out a business loan of £450,000 | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
from HSBC in 2007, the bank also sold them an interest rate swap off the back of it. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:56 | |
But a product they thought would protect them | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
has instead ended up having a devastating effect on the family business. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
I always had the attitude that if you went to the bank, you went for help and you'd get the best advice. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
That seems to be something that's gone by the by. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
We've paid HSBC £50,000 towards this base rate swap so far. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
We've laid off staff. We've had to put back growth of the business. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
To be honest, I'm pretty tired. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
I have to work all the time. Most weeks, I work seven days a week and I just feel very bitter. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
That one's quite nice with the white border round it. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
As interest rates have come down since they took out the loan six years ago, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
their repayments have gone up by hundreds of pounds a month and since we filmed with them last year, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:48 | |
things continued to get worse. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
We've struggled on. I've had to find money from my own finances. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
We've struggled with staffing levels and stock levels have fallen. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
The effect is we don't always sleep at night because we're worrying about how we'll survive the next day. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:05 | |
It's a day-to-day existence. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
If it wasn't for the internet side which is mainly down to my daughter, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
the business would have folded. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
The big banks have agreed to review the sale of around 40,000 interest rate swap products like Darby's. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:23 | |
Another of those badly affected we visited last year was the long-established electrical store | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
run by Paul Adcock and his family in Watton in Norfolk. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
This is my great-grandfather, Ernest Adcock. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
Four generations on, we've survived two world wars, depressions, booms, busts. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
The company now is on its knees because the bank that supported us for all those years | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
thought it wise that we have this horrendous product. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Paul had also been left fighting to save his business | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
due to an interest rate swap product sold to him by Barclays, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
one that has left him paying a huge £4,500 per month on top of the existing loan repayments. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
One year on and the doors are still open, but it's no longer the busy shop it used to be. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:07 | |
The cash starvation that we had because of these extra interest payments | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
had really made it more and more difficult to trade. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
Our levels of stock really were depleted | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
because of the cash flow problems. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
We hadn't been able to keep up to date with payments to suppliers, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
so the major suppliers had not traded with us. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
And low stock levels mean empty shelves, something no retailer ever wants to experience. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:37 | |
People who weren't aware of the situation assumed we were having a closing-down sale, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
but we assured people we weren't intending to close down, but in this situation, we had no choice. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
Businesses like Paul's were pinning their hopes on an investigation by the Financial Services Authority | 0:36:47 | 0:36:54 | |
and in January this year, the FSA found that interest rate swap products had been mis-sold | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
in over 90% of cases it reviewed as part of an initial study. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
The banking industry has set aside billions of pounds to compensate small business owners affected, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
but Business Secretary Vince Cable has criticised Britain's biggest lenders for stalling on paying out. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:17 | |
We're now in the process whereby they're negotiating with the companies | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
about the redress they will actually get, case by case. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
The worry of many of the companies that are now seeking redress is that the redress is not automatic, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:31 | |
as it was in the case of Payment Protection Insurance, PPI. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
They're having to negotiate one by one with the banks. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
If they're dissatisfied with the outcome, they don't have any comeback. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
But for Paul's business, it's good news. It's been officially recognised that he was a victim | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
of mis-selling by his bank Barclays. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
When we got the letter in the middle of June, it was a great relief, but it was also a sense of vindication | 0:37:53 | 0:37:59 | |
that all we had been saying and complaining about had been recognised by the bank. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
It was the wrong product | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
and at long last now, there was some relief in sight in forms of redress. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
With Barclays accepting responsibility for the mis-selling of the product, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
Paul is hoping that he'll soon be compensated and his business can recover, but he remains cautious. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
We're not popping the champagne corks just yet because we don't know when it will arrive | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
and there are additional costs to consider as well, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
so we are hopeful that it won't be ever so much longer. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
When we contacted Barclays, the bank told us it continues to work with Paul | 0:38:35 | 0:38:41 | |
to support his company through challenging market conditions, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
stressing it's in the interest of both Barclays and its customers | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
to complete the review as soon as possible and it's progressing as fast as it can. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
The Lilleys in Cleveland are also hoping their troubles will soon be at an end. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
In June, they were told by the Financial Ombudsman that the product they had been sold by HSBC | 0:38:59 | 0:39:05 | |
had been unsuitable and the bank should put right the effect it's had on their business. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
We're waiting for a response by HSBC to see what our final settlement will be, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:16 | |
then we'll know exactly where we are financially. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
We want an outcome which shows that we haven't made any loss, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
the personal circumstances for us alter that we are then comfortable again. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:31 | |
We want to get the situation solved, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
so that we can get the shop back on track. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
HSBC told us it would be inappropriate to comment on matters which are confidential, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
but assured us the bank is doing everything it can | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
to complete its past business review as quickly as possible, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
prioritising cases where customers are experiencing financial difficulties. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
Now, it remains uncertain exactly when and by how much | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
both Darby's and Adcocks will be compensated by their banks. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
However, both family businesses will never be able to get back the years lost worrying about the impact | 0:40:03 | 0:40:09 | |
of being mis-sold a product. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
The whole experience has left me feeling quite bitter towards the bank and the way we've been treated. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:18 | |
The bank haven't been forthcoming with what is our money and not the bank's | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
and they've still not given us it back yet. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
The personal effect has been very stressful, needless to say, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and as we're a family business, it affects all of the family | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
because all of our livelihoods depend upon it | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
and I'm sure this was the closest we came to closing the door for the last time | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
as we were about to run out of money. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
Confused over your bills? Trying to wade through never-ending small print? | 0:40:56 | 0:41:02 | |
When they sit you down to sign up for things, they don't give you time to read through all the small print. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:08 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out and that so-called great deal has cost you money? | 0:41:08 | 0:41:14 | |
I was horrified. I haven't got that sort of money to waste like that. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
You might have a cautionary tale | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
and might want to share the mistake you made with us, so others don't do the same. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
I feel that people have got to know about this business. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
You can write to us at this address. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
Or send us an email to: | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
As we hear all too often at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
money can be so easy to lose, but very hard to get back | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
and that can apply whether you're dealing with companies | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
that are respectable household names or ones not so familiar. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
And who knows, maybe one or two that aren't that respectable either! | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
You have to be constantly alert to the possibility that someone might be trying to trick you out of your money | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
or promising something they can't deliver. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
That can be especially true online where you can't always be sure | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
exactly who you're dealing with or where they are. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
But the key advice is to make sure you don't accidentally give out any personal details | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
or any clues that someone could use to get hold of your money | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
and if you're signing up for anything in person, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
make sure, particularly if there are big sums involved, that you take independent advice. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
That's where we have to leave it for today, but we'll be back with more of your stories, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
so until the next time, from all of us, bye-bye. Bye. Bye. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
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