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We asked YOU to tell us what's left you feeling totally ripped off,

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong, and

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the customer service that simply isn't up to scratch.

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There's a lot of blurb written down, but in practice

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the words are absolutely meaningless!

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I mean, people just can't afford these prices, it's ridiculous!

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money,

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and investigate the extra charges that you say are unfair.

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They're in a win-win situation and you're in a lose-lose situation.

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If you don't do something about it, you think it's your own fault.

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And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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So whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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We're here to find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip Off Britain

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Hello, and thank you for joining us on Rip Off Britain.

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Of course, today, it's a beautiful sunny day

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but we're talking about a great British obsession.

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Because there's no doubt about it, our green and pleasant land

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is only so very green because we get a lot of one thing - rain!

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And in recent years we've been getting a lot more of it than

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we used to, with huge swathes of the country submerged under

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flood water that's collected after either days upon

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days of steady downpours or that sudden massive storm.

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And it's when we get more rain than the drains can handle,

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or the ground simply can't cope with so much water, that the

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damage begins and those who are affected will obviously look

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to their insurance companies to help foot the bill to put things right.

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But as the people in today's programme, including me,

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I have to say, have found out,

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it's not just the ground that can't always cope with extreme weather.

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Yes, the insurance companies themselves can also struggle

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to cope with the damage that heavy rain causes.

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As a result, as many of you will have noticed, premiums have gone up.

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Some people are now finding it hard to get cover at all, and a number

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of homeowners like our very own Angela here, that one there, have

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suddenly been told that their properties, which never used to be classed

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as "at risk" have now been recategorised as being in danger.

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So as we explore some of the fallout of our extreme weather,

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you may well find some unwelcome surprises about the insurance

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you've got on your home, too.

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Coming up - what's more shocking,

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a 20-foot deep hole suddenly appearing in your back garden

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or the almost equally deep pockets you'll need to repair it?

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It was a horrible time. I was going to bed crying,

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getting up in the morning, looking through the bathroom window, and I

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can see the hole. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat, I was just crying.

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And navigating the murky waters of the insurance industry to find

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out why homeowners nowhere near water are suddenly being told

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they're at greater risk of flooding.

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Can I just take you to task on that?

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You say that's better for the consumer. No, it's not,

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because that means every insurance company can set their own rules.

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Now, of all the disasters we worry about what might

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affect our homes, the dramatic appearance in the back garden of an

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enormous 20-foot deep hole probably isn't going to be one of them.

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But that's exactly what happened to Gretel Davidson.

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A huge sinkhole, often linked to heavy rain,

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arrived from absolutely nowhere in the middle of her lawn.

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And while such incidents are still thankfully rare, trying to

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put things right has thrown up some facts about her insurance

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that might well surprise you about your own home cover as well.

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When there are kids around, if there's one place you might

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hope they'd be fairly safe, it's in your back garden.

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Potential dangers should be pretty limited.

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And you certainly wouldn't expect the ground to suddenly open up beneath you.

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-Are you Gretel?

-I'm Gretel.

-I'm Gloria.

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But in February 2014, the ground DID suddenly open

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up in the south-east London garden of Gretel Davidson,

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right next to the trampoline her daughter Maya loves to play on.

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-Right, so this is where it all happened, Gretel?

-Yeah.

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The trampoline was here,

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and the hole would just be... Hole's just here.

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And then is this is where the hole was, then?

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That's right. We mark it by the fence.

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The fence is slightly dipped.

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So, in actual fact, if Maya had been on the trampoline, the whole thing

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could have gone right down, couldn't it?

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-And this is actually quite uneven still, isn't it, really?

-Yeah, it is quite uneven.

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-So it's settling a bit?

-Yeah, it's

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-settling a bit.

-But how did you react when you saw it?

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Well, I screamed first of all. I went, "No! Why me?!"

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And how big was this hole when you saw it for the first time?

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Well, I didn't know how deep it was and how wide it was,

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but I had somebody from the council

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and he said that it's 20-foot deep and eight-foot wide.

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20ft deep?!

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-And eight-foot wide.

-Oh, my goodness.

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Now, while coming home to find a sinkhole in your garden is,

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thank goodness, rare, there was quite a spate of them

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this particular winter.

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In fact, according to the British Geological Survey, there were

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18 instances of sinkholes and similar ground collapses reported

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to them in February 2014, a nine-fold increase

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in what is regarded as normal.

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Sinkholes are a product of erosion in existing underground

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cavities, and are linked to periods of high rainfall.

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So it is no coincidence that these incidents all

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followed what the Met Office described as, "One of the most

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exceptional periods of winter rainfall in at least 248 years."

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And some geologists predict that as our winters get wetter

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we're likely to see more of them.

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Let's talk to Maya, because she was the very, very first

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one, your daughter was the first one who saw it.

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Yeah, she was.

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Maya spotted the hole when she returned home from school

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and saw it through her bedroom window.

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She immediately rang her mum at work at the local hospital.

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After trying to calm her daughter down,

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Gretel asked for the rest of the day off and headed back to the house.

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Meanwhile, Maya followed the natural instinct to take a closer

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look at what had happened

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As I walked up, I looked down and there was a massive hole,

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and I saw two tunnels.

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And at that point I was just panicking, cos I didn't know what to do.

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-I bet you were scared?

-Yeah. I was scared as well, cos when I saw it I had to jump back

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a little bit because I didn't really want to fall in there.

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Just thank God that the weather was bad,

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cos she could have been jumping on the trampoline

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and who knows what could have happened?

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Unsure what to do, Gretel called the council, who visited the house

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but told her that, because all this had happened on her own property,

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they couldn't help, recommending she got in touch with her insurer.

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So Gretel called her insurance company, Halifax, who next

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day visited the house to inspect and photograph the hole.

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The insurance company came and said to me,

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"I'm very sorry, but there's nothing we can do about it."

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On what grounds?

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It was because it was too far away from the house.

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It hasn't caused the building any damage.

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There's no subsidence or anything like that.

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Halifax confirmed all this in a letter which made

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clear that the costs of refilling the hole were not

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covered by her policy, because damage to garden features is excluded

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if there was no damage caused to the house itself at the same time.

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I bet you were sinking nearly as low as the hole.

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I did everything I possibly can for Halifax to pay,

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and they refused to pay. I was just beside myself.

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I was very, very, very unhappy and I just started crying because I just

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didn't know who to phone, I didn't know who to phone or what to do.

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And while a sinkhole is not the usual thing an insurer might have

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to deal with, you may be surprised to realise it IS quite

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normal for damage to a garden that doesn't affect the house to

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be excluded from your home insurance.

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Your garden does not come under your buildings

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insurance, and it's not something classed as contents, either.

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So if anything even remotely similar were to happen in your garden,

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chances are you would be stuck with any resulting costs as well.

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Because it isn't going to be included in standard home cover.

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The only way to avoid those extra costs would be to get some sort

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of separate cover for the garden but that's not widely available.

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Gretel was left with no choice but to commission a structural

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report and employ her own builder to fill in the hole.

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So now it's all down to you, how did you cope from a money point of view?

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My dad died two years ago

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and I had £5,000, which we was going to put

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a headstone on my dad's grave, so I had to phone my family up

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and say, "Listen, you know, I can't put, I can't use this

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"money for the headstone because I've just had a huge sinkhole

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"in the back of my garden so I'll just have to use this

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"money for that, but that really hurt me because I really, really loved my dad,

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"and to know that I had to use that money for, to pay for the

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"sinkhole, it had to be paid because I couldn't leave it, but it really,

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"really, really, hurt me to know that I had to use that money for that."

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In the end, the whole repair cost around £9,000.

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It was a horrible time. I was going to bed crying,

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getting up in the morning, looking through the bathroom window

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and I could see the hole. I just couldn't sleep,

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I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat, I was just crying.

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As she'd never have even contemplated

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a situation like this could occur. Gretel had had no idea that

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her insurance would not cover this kind of eventuality.

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And I'll bet most of the rest of us wouldn't have known, either.

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The Halifax, though, has reiterated that such incidents, which it

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says are "still rare occurrences", are only covered by a policy's

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terms "if they cause damage to the insured property".

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In Gretel's case, their specialist claims team investigated

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thoroughly and were satisfied that the sinkhole posed

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"no imminent likely danger to the property".

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So without any reason under her policy to pay out, all

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they could do was advise Gretel on recommended next steps.

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Although it was at her own expense,

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the work restoring Gretel's garden is now complete,

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so Maya is able once again to trampoline with confidence.

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But Gretel remains shocked not just that such an extraordinarily

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freakish event ever happened but also that,

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when it did, there was nowhere she could turn for help.

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This is one of the most obscure things to

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-happen in your back garden, that's awful.

-Yeah,

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nobody saves up for it.

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And it really, really, really hurt, and I was so desperate.

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In recent years we've unfortunately become all too familiar with

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those shocking pictures of huge swathes of the UK submerged

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under flood water following particularly wet weather.

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Now, when the owners of many of those homes affected come to

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renew their policies they're going to find

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they are faced with much higher insurance premiums, but you know,

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plenty of other people who didn't see even a drop of water coming

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into their property are also being told that their risk of flooding

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has gone up as well and that they are going to have to pay more, too.

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Now, I know this because it's happened to me. Well, obviously,

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I wanted to find out what was going on but I have to tell you,

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that has proved a lot harder than you might think.

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Our winters seem to be getting wetter.

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And for many, that's more than just an inconvenience.

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By the end of the heaviest downpour of early 2014,

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thousands of homes had been seriously flooded.

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In the worst-affected county, Somerset, there was

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almost twice the amount of rainfall as in previous years

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and it was months before the clean-up was complete.

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Insurance companies paid out

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£451 million in flood insurance claims.

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And as the water levels have risen,

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so, too, has the amount that a lot of us pay for our home insurance.

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350,000 homes are now classified as at risk from flooding.

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And among those apparently facing an increased risk is mine!

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Or at least that was what I was surprised to be told

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when I came to renew my policy.

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And as a result, my premiums would have to go up.

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Now, I live in central London,

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but I don't live on the banks of the River Thames.

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Nor do I live next door to here, which is where the

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River Thames is rushing by just over a mile away.

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In fact, I live around here, which is

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over two miles from the Thames.

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So if the river did ever burst its banks,

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then it would take quite a large chunk of central London with it,

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including the Houses of Parliament,

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Buckingham Palace, the Royal Albert Hall,

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and half of Kensington before it got anywhere near my house.

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As far as I know, my house has never been flooded in the 180 years

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since it was built.

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So you can understand why I was surprised to suddenly be

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told there was now a high risk of that happening.

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I'm sure many of you will have been equally puzzled after

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suddenly being told something similar by your own insurers.

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Which is why I was determined to get to the bottom of how all this

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had been worked out.

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I asked my broker to go back to the insurance company

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and ask for an explanation,

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and we received a letter saying I'm not in danger of flooding

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from the River Thames at all, but from surface water flooding, which

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is apparently what happens when you get an excessive amount of rain that

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doesn't drain away, and they sent me a map of this mysterious new threat.

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The map DID show that my house, was under threat

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from flooding in really heavy rainfall, when the drains

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under London might not be able take all the water away quickly enough.

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But it was the first I'd heard of it.

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And when our team looked into it, searching all the publicly

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available information they could find about my home, they couldn't

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pinpoint anything to support the insurance company's belief that

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my home suddenly faced an increased risk from this type of flooding, either.

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So I paid for a Homecheck report, the kind your solicitor will

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get when you're buying a house.

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That didn't show up a high risk, either.

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And when we spoke to the planning department at Kensington

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and Chelsea Council they said there was no risk at all!

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So what do my insurance company know that the council don't?

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I've come to the offices of the Environment Agency.

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They've mapped and studied every bit of England and Wales for all

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kinds of flood risk, including the one I'd never imagined homes,

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including mine, could be under threat from, surface water flooding.

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Surface water flooding seems to be one of these subjects

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and one of these titles that has crept in,

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particularly to insurance policies quite recently.

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One of the things about surface water flooding is that it can

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happen anywhere.

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It can happen miles away from rivers,

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so it can happen in places where somebody might not

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automatically expect that it would happen.

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But we are seeing more of this kind of flooding,

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and that's one of the reasons why we've produced these maps

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which show areas which are at risk of surface water flooding. We're

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trying to make them as good as they can be, and the plan is that

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we'll continue to maintain them, that as more information is available

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to us that, we'll build that into the maps and make them even better

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At the moment, the Environment Agency's maps don't appear to

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show my home IS under high risk of surface water flooding.

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So does that mean my insurers, and yours, too,

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if you've been told the same thing, are wrong?

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It's important to remember that there are always

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limitations in any maps and that the maps can't be property specific,

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they can't show for sure whether a property will or won't flood.

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But we do believe that they are the best maps

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that are available for all of England and Wales.

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So if, as they believe, the Environment Agency has

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the best surface water flooding maps available,

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you might expect it's these maps the insurance companies

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will use to judge whether a house is at risk of flooding.

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But, in fact, that's not necessarily the case.

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We asked the top ten insurers what maps they use to evaluate

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the chances of flooding and calculate insurance premiums.

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Three companies didn't bother to respond to us at all.

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Another three said they do

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use the Environment Agency's maps, but only one uses them exclusively.

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The other two use them alongside data

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and maps commissioned from private companies.

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And the remaining four insurers told us

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they don't use the Environment Agency maps at all

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because they don't believe they go into enough detail.

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So, with most insurance companies using different maps,

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next we asked them if they'd be prepared to show those to

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customers to help them understand how their policies are calculated.

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Of the six who answered, all said no,

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telling us this information was "commercially sensitive",

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or not in a form that would be meaningful to customers.

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So, with no standard map being used across the industry,

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and too many insurance companies just unwilling to explain how

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they set their premiums,

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I'd like to find out what are those decisions that are made when it

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comes to deciding the potential flood risk to our properties.

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The Association of British Insurers represents

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the majority of insurance companies in the UK.

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So I've come to meet its head of property, to find out

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more about how insurers calculate premiums when it comes to flooding.

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How do insurance companies work out flood risk across the country

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when they're quoting prices for premiums?

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So insurers will take a variety of sources

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and information and they'll think that their way of assessing

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flood risk is better than the rest of the market

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and there'll be a competitive process where insurer A will

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try and get a better understanding of flood risk than insurer B.

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That means different insurers will have different

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views of flood risk, but that's good for customers

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as that means you have two insurers who have different views of

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flood risk and that allows customers to shop around and use another

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insurer who may view them as lower risk than their previous insurer.

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Can I take you to task on that?

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You say it's better for the consumer. No, it's not,

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because that means every insurance company can set their own rules.

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Surely the answer in something like this would be for one level point

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at which everyone can judge whether or not you are at risk.

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Because simply that doesn't exist, there is

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no one view of what flood risk is. Nobody can predict

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whether a certain place has a 10% chance of flooding and could

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flood next year. In a competitive market, insurers are driven

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to find the best way of assessing flood risk and some will spend

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millions and millions of pounds in trying to understand this and

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they do that because it gives them a competitive edge over others who may

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spend less investing in flood risk and flood-mapping techniques.

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That gives them the ability to price more accurately in their view, and gives

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them the ability to win business and offer price at an appropriate level.

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If you're unsure how your premium is calculated, you can

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always ask your insurer to tell you.

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When I asked mine to explain the rise in premiums,

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they did ultimately tell me how they'd worked it out.

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And while I don't agree with their assessment,

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it does go to show that insurers WILL open up to customers.

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In the end, they reduced my premium,

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but if the house ever does flood. I will have to pay an excess

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of £2,500 on any claim for flood damage.

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When the Rip Off team spoke to my insurers,

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they were told that the company "specialises in analysing,

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"understanding, and appropriately pricing risk for its customers"

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and that, like all insurance providers, it uses an

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"experienced team of specialist underwriters" using "the most

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"accurate and up-to-date information available" to assess that risk.

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They said that they are "obliged to charge an appropriate premium"

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to reflect the risk each property presents.

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Still, at least I've been able to get cover in the unlikely

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event my house does flood.

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But I'm afraid that is not the case for everyone who's

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classed as being at risk.

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Later in the programme we'll head to the town where MILLIONS has

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been spent on new flood defences, but some residents are still

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struggling to get any flood insurance at all.

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We thought because we are now at a lesser risk of flooding,

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that would be fine with the insurance companies.

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But unfortunately that's not the reality.

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Still to come on Rip Off Britain,

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if your home is damaged in a storm, why your insurer could

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say it's you that has to pay to pick up the pieces.

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-We were absolutely gutted.

-Shell-shocked.

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It is just a terribly sad

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and devastating situation to find oneself in.

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So many of you get in touch with us

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throughout the year by letter by e-mail, but you know our pop-up

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shop is the perfect way for us to be able to meet you face-to-face,

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so that we can give you all the advice you need and hopefully

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answers to some of those questions that are driving you mad!

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Jo Youen came into our pop-up shop to see if trading standards expert

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Sylvia Rook could help her with an ongoing problem with her caravan.

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I bought a brand-new caravan five years ago

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and unfortunately we've had continuous problems with the

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window leaking and I don't know what to do or how to get it resolved.

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So when did the fault first show itself?

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We started to see a misting in the window about

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six months into using the caravan.

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and on our first annual service, the dealer mentioned that they

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were having to replace the window because the material wasn't strong

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-enough. We arranged through warranty to have it repaired.

-Had the

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dealer actually replaced the whole window unit or had he just sealed

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-round it?

-No, they replaced, we had a brand-new window.

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We stored it over winter, as we normally do, and we noticed mould inside the caravan.

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Oh, that's not good.

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The dealer said, "We've had a few people say that. Have you got any hairline cracks on the outside

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"of the front of the caravan?" We had about eight. They then had

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to put a claim through warranty for a whole new front and another window.

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The dealer then decided the job was too complicated,

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so referred it to the manufacturer, who replaced

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the front of the caravan and the problematic window.

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But that wasn't the end of it.

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We noticed the window leaked.

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-Still - the same window?

-This was the third window we had.

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Have you been back to the dealer you bought it from?

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-They've unfortunately gone into administration.

-Have you gone back to the manufacturer?

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-I have.

-And what have they said?

-Well, they're telling me that my contract

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-isn't with them and it was with the dealer. However, they have said they'll replace the window.

-Again.

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-Again.

-You're in

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a very difficult position. You've got a small claim against the manufacturer

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for the work that they did. I think it's going to be about trying to get

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some sort of goodwill gesture from the manufacturer and say," I didn't

0:23:020:23:05

"have a contract with you but it's you that made this and clearly it

0:23:050:23:09

"can't be fixed so what can you do to help me?" The other thing

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you can do is go back and see if they'll extend the warranty because

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of the fact that you've had problems all the way down the line, see

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if they will extend the warranty to cover these issues until the matter

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-can get sorted.

-So, as part of the gesture of goodwill, I could

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-maybe add that in.

-If you don't ask, you won't get it at all.

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If you do ask, there's a chance you might. It's always worth trying.

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It wouldn't be Rip Off Britain's pop-up shop without our gripe corner

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where people can go

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and let off steam about things that get their blood boiling.

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And you certainly were not holding back!

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Give the working man a chance - we're paying too much for fuel

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prices. Ten years ago we were paying half the amount, it's not fair.

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It's really difficult to get a hotel room to fit the five of us, so we

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have to get ripped off and pay the price for two rooms.

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What really annoys me is PPI calls, there's no need for it.

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BOTH: Stop calling me, it's rude!

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Now, when it comes to bad weather, you might think it's pretty

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obvious what constitutes a storm.

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Howling gale, pouring rain, maybe even thunder and lightning.

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But in fact, when it comes to insurance, it's rather more complicated.

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And that can have big repercussions if you're making

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an claim for anything that you think was damaged in a storm.

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Around half of all complaints about buildings insurance

0:24:290:24:32

come down to disputes resulting from bad weather.

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Not just because insurers aren't convinced that the weather

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was to blame for any damage.

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But often because they don't even agree that the weather was

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that bad in the first place.

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So when is a storm not a storm?

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Well, batten down the hatches, for some homeowners,

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this has been a very bumpy ride.

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When Janet Tipper and her husband, Doug, moved to this pretty Devonshire

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farmhouse in 1987, they knew it had been built using the traditional

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West Country building techniques of more than 300 years ago.

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The cob's about three-foot thick here.

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As the house had been made with old-fashioned cob walls, it meant

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if anything were to happen, repairs would be far from straightforward.

0:25:140:25:20

We knew it would be a big job, and a difficult job because it is a

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specialist area, not everybody can deal with this sort of structure.

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With protecting the authenticity of the house so very important,

0:25:290:25:33

Janet took out a policy underwritten by the Co-Operative Insurance,

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and was confident that she'd done what

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she could in case the worst should happen.

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Unfortunately, on the 3rd January, 2012, it did.

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There are a number of Met Office warnings in force, one of them

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due to the strength of the wind.

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It was just a tremendous storm, wasn't it?

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There was slates coming off the roof over there, and it

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was just a horrendous storm.

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When I woke up, I drew the curtains back, and I looked out

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and I saw a whole load of rubble on the drive and I thought, "Oh, my God!"

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As a result of the pounding delivered by the storm,

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a whole section of the cob wall on the front of the house had

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just crumbled away, falling onto their porch.

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And the roof had some minor damage, too.

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We knew the cause of this problem was the storm

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because the storm had raged all night.

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Janet immediately contacted her broker,

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and on their advice, arranged for a local contractor to cover up

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the damage in order to prevent it from getting worse.

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Two days later, the insurers sent round a loss adjuster to

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inspect the property.

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But the couple were astonished by what she had to say.

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She said there was no storm, which was a complete bombshell.

0:26:550:26:59

We were absolutely shocked.

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She picked up a weather programme on her computer

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that apparently insurers use, and was trying to say that this

0:27:080:27:12

did not record a storm, and we were just baffled.

0:27:120:27:17

She said, "If your roof was damaged, or because yours

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"is an old house, the insurers wouldn't pay."

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And I said, "What are you taking our money for?"

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Assessing the severity of bad weather isn't

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quite as simple as you might think.

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To determine if it's bad enough to be classed as a storm,

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insurers will often rely on what's called the Beaufort Scale,

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an officially recognised measure of wind speed that became

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standard in the 19th century.

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But even though it was widely reported that severe weather

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had hit the entire west coast of the country at that time,

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the loss adjuster simply wasn't convinced that it was

0:27:530:27:56

the cause of the damage to the house.

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So, although the insurer DID agree to repair

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some of the damage to the porch they refused to pay out for by

0:28:010:28:06

far the most significant part of the claim, the repair of the cob wall.

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We were absolutely gutted.

0:28:110:28:14

Shell-shocked.

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It is just a terribly sad

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and devastating situation to find oneself in.

0:28:180:28:21

In the weeks that followed, as the couple protested,

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the insurers did accept that there had been a storm in the area.

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But they still didn't agree that the weather had caused the damage,

0:28:300:28:33

which, instead, they put down to lack of maintenance leading

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to wear and tear.

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The couple were horrified, not least because it left them having to

0:28:380:28:42

shoulder the cost of repairs, which totalled around £21,000.

0:28:420:28:47

Your whole world has fallen apart

0:28:480:28:50

because what you've paid in insurance for to protect what

0:28:500:28:54

you own is just not doing what it's promised.

0:28:540:28:58

Both retired from work, Janet

0:29:010:29:03

and Doug didn't have enough savings to cover the cost of the repairs,

0:29:030:29:07

and nor were they able to get any sort of loan that could help.

0:29:070:29:10

The only solution was to sell their much-loved holiday home

0:29:100:29:14

in France, where they had planned to spend much of their retirement.

0:29:140:29:17

They were heartbroken.

0:29:210:29:22

But on top of that, they remained convinced that they hadn't

0:29:220:29:25

been treated fairly.

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And Janet wasn't prepared to take that lying down.

0:29:270:29:30

Unfortunately for the insurers, we're made of quite tough metal,

0:29:310:29:36

and I was not going to let them get away with it.

0:29:360:29:41

Janet decided to take their case to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

0:29:410:29:46

The adjudicator, after a lot of negotiation with Co-op

0:29:460:29:51

Insurance, but eventually,

0:29:510:29:52

he awarded fully in our favour.

0:29:520:29:57

In fact, not only did the adjudicator say

0:29:580:30:01

the Co-op should stump up for the repair bill,

0:30:010:30:03

but they also recommended compensation for the couple

0:30:030:30:06

because of the stress of having to sell their French home.

0:30:060:30:10

But the insurer didn't accept this decision.

0:30:100:30:13

So the whole sorry saga rumbled on a lot longer.

0:30:130:30:16

It went through the full Ombudsman

0:30:160:30:18

and then was awarded fully in our favour,

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plus 8% interest

0:30:220:30:25

and £250 for the stress involved.

0:30:250:30:30

It was a great result for the couple,

0:30:300:30:33

but all told, it took more than two years

0:30:330:30:35

after the storm that caused the damage for the insurers to pay out.

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Sadly, such disputes are not unusual.

0:30:410:30:44

The Financial Ombudsman Service says disagreements with insurers

0:30:440:30:48

over damage caused by weather are all too common.

0:30:480:30:51

We get around 350 building insurance complaints every month.

0:30:530:30:56

And a lot of those come down to how we define bad weather.

0:30:560:31:00

Storm is a pretty ambiguous term

0:31:000:31:01

and insurers shouldn't rely on vague definitions to not pay claims.

0:31:010:31:06

If all the evidence suggests that the damage isn't wear and tear,

0:31:060:31:09

then we would expect the insurer to be realistic, reasonable and pay up.

0:31:090:31:13

So, what should you do if a dispute with your insurer

0:31:130:31:17

over the weather causes a storm all of its own?

0:31:170:31:20

First things first, don't panic.

0:31:200:31:22

It's not down to you to have to prove

0:31:220:31:24

whether a serious weather event took place or not.

0:31:240:31:26

All that matters to the insurer

0:31:260:31:28

will be what you can remember about the time the storm took place.

0:31:280:31:31

So jot down everything you can recall.

0:31:310:31:33

Maybe the time you first started noticing the wind was playing up.

0:31:330:31:37

Also, speak to your neighbours.

0:31:370:31:39

If you've been affected by a storm, chances are they have been, too.

0:31:390:31:42

And that kind of evidence can really support your claim.

0:31:420:31:45

We contacted Co-operative Insurance to find out why it took so long

0:31:460:31:50

for Janet and Doug to have their claim resolved.

0:31:500:31:53

They told us they were truly sorry for the difficulties and delays

0:31:550:31:58

the couple experienced,

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but stressed that they do not turn down claims lightly

0:32:000:32:04

and that this individual case is in no way indicative

0:32:040:32:07

of the high standards they aim for.

0:32:070:32:10

They felt a full review was necessary

0:32:100:32:12

after the Ombudsman's initial decision

0:32:120:32:14

due to the differences in opinion

0:32:140:32:16

between the loss adjustor's findings

0:32:160:32:18

and the evidence provided by Janet and Doug.

0:32:180:32:21

And while they say the timescale of that was out of their control,

0:32:210:32:25

they're sorry for the additional inconvenience

0:32:250:32:28

and distress this caused.

0:32:280:32:31

But Janet and Doug remain bitter

0:32:310:32:33

that it took almost two years of fighting

0:32:330:32:35

to get the payout they never doubted they were due.

0:32:350:32:39

The whole experience has just been devastating.

0:32:390:32:41

But I was determined to battle as far as I could and get justice,

0:32:410:32:46

which I finally feel I did.

0:32:460:32:49

We've put together an absolutely free booklet of tips

0:32:560:32:59

and advice to help safeguard your hard-earned cash.

0:32:590:33:02

You can download it from our website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain.

0:33:020:33:08

Or for a hard copy, send a stamped self-addressed A5 envelope

0:33:080:33:11

to the address we'll give you at the end of the programme.

0:33:110:33:14

You can also find on the website lots more information

0:33:140:33:17

on the topics we tackle on the programme

0:33:170:33:19

with plenty of tips on how to save money and, most importantly,

0:33:190:33:23

how to avoid being caught out.

0:33:230:33:25

Earlier in the programme, I went on something of a mission

0:33:280:33:31

to discover why my home and perhaps yours, too,

0:33:310:33:33

had suddenly been re-categorised as being at risk of flooding.

0:33:330:33:36

And how that would dramatically drive up my insurance premiums.

0:33:360:33:40

But that's small fry compared to the costs facing those people

0:33:400:33:44

whose homes have a really high risk of flooding,

0:33:440:33:46

or indeed, have been flooded in the past.

0:33:460:33:48

The devastating flood that hit residents

0:33:500:33:52

of Cockermouth in Cumbria in 2009 was the third in four years.

0:33:520:33:57

But it was the worst of them all,

0:33:570:33:58

destroying homes and businesses throughout the town.

0:33:580:34:01

It was deeper than me.

0:34:010:34:03

It was about halfway up the top part of those windows there.

0:34:030:34:07

The town centre was submerged under 2.5 metres of floodwater.

0:34:070:34:11

Over 900 properties were affected

0:34:110:34:14

and around 200 people had to be rescued by the emergency services.

0:34:140:34:18

All the time, you keep thinking, it's going to stop.

0:34:200:34:23

It didn't, it kept coming.

0:34:230:34:24

The water level actually ended up just at the top of the...

0:34:240:34:28

Well, just at about this height.

0:34:280:34:31

I'm not the toughest guy in the world, but it made me cry.

0:34:310:34:34

Some locals, like Sue Cashmore,

0:34:340:34:37

had only just recovered from the flood of the previous year.

0:34:370:34:40

But this one was much worse.

0:34:400:34:42

The house flooded for the third time in 2009.

0:34:420:34:46

November 19th, 2009.

0:34:460:34:48

The date always stays engraved in your memory.

0:34:480:34:51

We went upstairs, but then the water

0:34:510:34:53

just kept coming and coming and coming.

0:34:530:34:56

And we finally ended up with about seven foot of water in the house.

0:34:560:34:59

After 18 hours of being trapped on the first floor,

0:34:590:35:03

Sue and her daughters were rescued.

0:35:030:35:05

We climbed out of the bedroom window, into the boat.

0:35:050:35:09

Seeing them leave their home, which is meant to be their area of security,

0:35:090:35:14

in a boat, that kind of really pulls at the heartstrings, and still does to this day.

0:35:140:35:19

Sue and her family were taken to an evacuation centre.

0:35:210:35:24

But having been through all of this before, Sue knew that in some ways

0:35:240:35:28

the worst was yet to come.

0:35:280:35:30

I can remember walking in and looking at the people and just saying to somebody,

0:35:320:35:35

"These people have no idea the hell they're about to go through."

0:35:350:35:39

Because I knew that the next year of their life would be hell.

0:35:390:35:43

People think if you're insured, "Oh, it's no problem, you've been flooded, you're insured."

0:35:440:35:48

"Not a problem, you just get everything new."

0:35:480:35:51

That is not the way it is at all, you've got to fight for everything to get it back.

0:35:510:35:55

Sue's insurance did pay for the repairs she needed, but her parents,

0:35:550:36:00

who live 100 yards away, were in a very different situation.

0:36:000:36:03

They too had been flooded twice before, but this time

0:36:030:36:06

they simply could not afford to claim on their insurance.

0:36:060:36:10

As bad as you thought or about what you think, you thought it would be?

0:36:100:36:13

Yeah?

0:36:150:36:17

Worse than what I thought it would be.

0:36:170:36:19

The insurance excess Sue's parents would have to pay

0:36:190:36:23

for any flood-related claim was a whopping £20,000.

0:36:230:36:27

Meaning that they simply could not afford for their insurer to repair the damage.

0:36:270:36:32

The community pulled together to get Cockermouth back on its feet,

0:36:320:36:36

and a charity was set up to donate furniture to those in need, including Sue's parents.

0:36:360:36:41

For a man who's worked all his life to get his home and to provide for his family

0:36:430:36:47

to now be sitting on second-hand furniture is very, very difficult for him.

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He does find that very, very hard.

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With floods so regularly damaging the town, it was clear that

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something had to be done to stop the same thing happening again.

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Residents successfully campaigned to have flood defences built,

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with some of the money raised through extra council tax.

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So it took us about 18 months to 2 years, working with the Environment Agency in partnership.

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Negotiation, raising money as a town.

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We had a 4.4 million flood defence put in.

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It does give you some piece of mind.

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It just makes things a lot better that you've got that there.

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But even with this new state-of-the-art protection,

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some residents still can't get affordable insurance against floods.

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Including Sue.

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My premium was about £30-£40 when I started out, it then went up to £90-odd a month.

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And then last year they put the premium up to £200 a month.

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I'm a single parent with two daughters who are at university,

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I can't afford to pay £200 a month so I had to make that really difficult decision

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that I couldn't afford that insurance,

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Part of the reason that Sue's premiums are so high is

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because although the town's new flood defences will protect against river water,

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they can't protect against surface water flooding.

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As Sue's parents found last Christmas, when they were flooded yet again.

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This time because the drains, some of which date back to the Victorian times,

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could not handle the amount of rain.

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The drain was either blocked, broken or inadequate.

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That's what we found out here. They were blocked. We had them all cleaned and whatever.

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On the night Mum and Dad were flooded, what we found was all the gullies were full,

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and we actually had mountain rescue and other people down here,

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digging the drains out to get it working again.

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Once again, Sue's parents could not afford to pay the £20,000

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their insurer would charge to repair the flood damage.

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Both they, and of course Sue, who no longer feels that she can afford to get insurance at all,

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feel they're in a lose-lose situation, and one they simply can't escape by selling up.

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Unless I really drop it down to a ridiculous amount and lose a lot of money,

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I cannot sell my house.

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Fortunately, things are set to improve.

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Recognising that those who need flood cover the most

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are finding themselves priced out of being able to get it,

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the industry, along with the Government and the Environment Agency, has come up with a solution.

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A new scheme called Flood Re,

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is being introduced that will make sure every one of us,

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regardless of whether our house is at risk of flooding or not, pay an extra £10.50 on our home insurance.

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That money will then go into a pot that will be used to

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insure the insurers against big payouts for flood plains.

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The insurance industry is confident that as a result, they should be

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able to offer flood cover to people like Sue at a level they are able to pay.

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Flood Re is there to solve the issue of affordable flood cover

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for those 2% of people who live in areas at risk of flooding

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and who would be unable to find affordable cover in the future.

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And when is this going to come into effect?

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At the moment we are anticipating that will come into effect in July 2015.

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But it is worth underlining that this is a very complex project, it is a world first.

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It is something that requires an unprecedented level of government and industry partnership.

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But though the planned scheme is good news, people

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like Sue and her parents are still left exposed, and unprotected until it comes in.

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What are those people in that position at the moment supposed to do

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if they believe they are in an area of high flood risk,

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the insurance premium is so high that they can't afford it?

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Do they just risk it and go without?

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What they can do is, first of all, find a local broker who specialises in flood risk.

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The second step is to go on to the website of the British Insurance Brokers Association,

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they have a find a broker service.

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And within that service they have brokers again

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that specialise in people who live in areas at risk of flooding.

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But it is not a long-term solution, and that is why we are trying to bring in Flood Re.

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And for Sue and others like her, that can't come soon enough.

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Every time it rains I'm thinking, "I hope I don't flood, what am I going to do if I flood?"

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"How on earth am I going to survive?"

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I don't have enough money to spend thousands on getting a house turned around.

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Here at Rip Off Britain we are always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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And we'd especially like to hear from you if you've had a problem on holiday

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or while travelling at home or abroad.

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So if you feel let down by your airline,

0:41:300:41:33

disappointed that the hotel looked very different from the glossy pictures in the brochure,

0:41:330:41:38

or maybe you're angry about hidden charges that weren't clear when you booked.

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The Rip Off Team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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As you know, it is almost impossible to predict how much damage

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a storm or week after week of rain will cause.

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Especially if as in the case of Gretel's massive sink hole,

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all that activity is happening deep underground, long before the signs

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actually show on the surface.

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And it is at times like these that we really do rely on our insurers for help.

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And thanks to Britain's notoriously unreliable weather

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and the fact that some experts say we're likely to see

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even more sudden dramatic downpours in the future,

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chances are we're going to need to rely on insurers a lot more in the coming years and decades.

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So it really pays to make sure you are properly covered

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and you've read the small print to make sure that, whatever happens,

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you won't have to foot the bill to put it all right.

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Well, on that familiar note,

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it is time to say goodbye for now. But we'll be back very soon

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-to look into more of your stories, so, till then, from all the team, goodbye.

-Bye-bye.

-Bye-bye.

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