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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off

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and you've contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that is not up to scratch.

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People should expect more when they're paying for something these days.

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Everything you buy, I just think we're getting ripped off.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you'd say are unfair.

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You have to rely on them giving you a fair price for something.

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You can't always rely on that.

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You don't want more hassle.

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You want them to honour their agreement with you.

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And when you've lost out, but no-one else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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That is disgusting!

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So whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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We're here to find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome back to the Rip-Off Britain office,

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where, as usual, as you can see, the team is very busy investigating

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some of the thousands of e-mails and letters you very kindly send us,

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telling us about everything from out-and-out scams

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to mistakes you might have made yourself

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and you simply want to warn other people.

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And it's those stories of bitter experience

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that can sometimes be the most interesting.

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Because they make us all think about the things we buy or sign up for,

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often without asking exactly what we're going to get for our money.

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Or taking a moment to make sure

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we completely understand what we're buying.

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That's exactly what happened to the people in today's programme.

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They all bought something

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that just didn't work out quite the way they expected.

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And in each case, what they were buying was the kind of everyday thing

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that we might find ourselves in the market for.

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And if you do, by the end of the programme,

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I hope that you'll have picked up some tips

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to ensure what happened to them is not going to happen to you.

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Coming up, the terrible results

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of choosing the wrong dealer to sell you a puppy.

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How do you explain to three young children

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that you've had to put their pup to sleep?

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And lifting the bonnet on the second-hand car industry.

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How to spot if what you're buying really is up to scratch.

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I don't want the car. I want nothing to do with the car.

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It's caused me too many problems. I don't feel safe driving it.

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One in every three homes in the UK has a dog.

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In fact, I've got two of them at home.

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Whether it's a family pet, a working dog,

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or even a pocket pooch for your handbag,

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dogs really are still man's best friend.

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That means there is always a huge demand

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for lovely little new puppies.

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But as our next family discovered,

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there can also be serious consequences for the new owners

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and the puppies themselves if a breeder is cutting corners.

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There are around ten million dogs in the UK.

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That's one pooch for every six people.

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But it seems that's still not enough,

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as the demand for newborn puppies far outstrips the supply.

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Now, these two gorgeous dogs are great companions to me

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and really are part of the family.

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They're just great fun to have around and the initial excitement

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of finding a puppy that you know is the one for you

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is a moment you'll cherish forever.

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However, if you're buying a puppy, say, out of an ad in a newspaper

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or indeed on the internet, it's very difficult to know

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whether the pup you end up with is the one originally advertised.

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And with those big soppy eyes,

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well, of course, all rational thinking goes out the window.

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David Steele and his family are about to experience

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that very special moment of choosing a puppy for themselves.

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Just go straight through here.

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Ah, look, Connor! Look at those!

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But this isn't the first time this year David has chosen a puppy.

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So, which one would you like?

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-The blue one.

-This one?

-Yeah.

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In January, he and his wife Tina

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chose their first from a different breeder.

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We decided we were going to buy the boys a puppy.

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Tina decided she wanted a golden cocker spaniel,

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so we searched the internet for a few weeks.

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Eventually, they discovered what seemed to be

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the perfect-looking litter.

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The online advert said the puppies had been vet checked,

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de-flead, wormed and had their first vaccination.

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They also came with four weeks' free insurance.

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I made the phone call, spoke to the young lady,

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asked if they had the golden cocker spaniels.

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She said, yes, they had two. Two boys left.

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So David and Tina headed to Stoke to see the puppies for themselves.

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But when they got there, they weren't allowed to go into the house

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to see the litter.

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Instead, they were asked to wait on the porch.

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I asked if I could see the dog's mother,

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to which she replied that the dog had gone back to her nan's property,

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which was a bit strange because we were told

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that the mum to the puppies was at the property.

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The person at the door then went into the house

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and brought out two golden cocker spaniel pups.

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One in particular, I fell in love with.

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He just looked at me with his puppy dog eyes

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and he had a little love heart on his head

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and that's the one we picked.

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When David and Tina arrived home,

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their three children immediately fell in love

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with the eight-week-old puppy, as well.

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They named him Buster and tried their best to settle him in.

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But something didn't seem quite right.

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And when he didn't improve after three days, they began to worry.

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Buster was being sick

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and a local vet told them this could be because the family

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had recently changed his diet.

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But Tina had a feeling it was more than that.

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And the next morning, she rushed him to the vet.

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We thought we'd done something wrong. It was something we did.

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Changing his food, you know.

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It wasn't until we took him to the vets, she took one look at him,

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she said she thinks it's parvo.

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Sadly, Buster was diagnosed with parvovirus,

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a potentially life-threatening virus

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that's passed between dogs by close contact.

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It is treatable, but the younger the puppy, the worse the prognosis.

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The vet put Buster on a drip

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and told Tina that it was unlikely that he would survive.

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They were horrified that the puppy

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they'd only just bought could be so ill.

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Tina and David tried to call the breeder for an explanation.

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I left answerphone messages.

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Any respectable breeder or anybody that sells a puppy,

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the minute parvo is mentioned,

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they should have been on the phone, giving me the details,

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"Can I have the phone number for your vet?"

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It wasn't until about 12:00 the following day

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where I actually got to speak to the young lady on the phone.

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She basically said, "You're insured, deal with it. It's not our problem.

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"Things like this happen all the time."

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And that just enraged me even more.

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Just hours later, the vet called David

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to say that Buster was not responding to treatment.

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It made me cry straightaway.

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Telling the kids just destroyed me.

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How do you explain to three young children

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that you've had to put their pup to sleep?

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Naturally, David wanted answers.

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Whilst they couldn't prove that Buster had contracted parvovirus

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before he came to live with them,

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he hadn't been in contact with any other animals,

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or even left the house in the three days since they'd bought him home.

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After trying to get hold of the breeder, a Mr David Rowley,

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he eventually picked up the phone.

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He said, "It's not my problem. It's not my dog anymore, it's your dog."

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He said, "You're insured."

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I said, "No. I've paid you my money. This is down to you.

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"This isn't about insurance, this is about you putting things right."

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But Mr Rowley refused.

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Angered by this, David started looking online

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to see if anyone else had had

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similar problems with the same breeder.

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There was people saying, "We've had a puppy from this guy."

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It's either been really ill, or the puppy had died that they had bought.

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David reported the breeder to the RSPCA,

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the council's Animal Welfare department and to Trading Standards.

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But he's worried that while any investigations take place,

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the breeder is still trading.

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He's still selling puppies.

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He's still got his breeder's licence.

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The family are trying to move on from Buster's death,

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but the memories are still so upsetting for Tina.

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It's something I didn't want my kids to go through so young.

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It's caused a lot of sadness.

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I can't even talk about him without crying. Yeah.

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We got in touch with the breeder, David Rowley,

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who told us that he would never knowingly sell a dog that's ill.

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He and the people who work with him love their animals

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and the last thing they want

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is for anybody to be upset with one of their dogs.

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He told us that he doesn't allow visitors

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to go into the house to visit the puppies

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because his porch is very large and the floor is tiled,

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so it's easy to clean in order to prevent a spread of infection.

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He also reiterated that when the family visited,

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it wasn't possible to see Buster's mother

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because she'd already gone back to her own home.

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Mr Rowley told us that when he heard about Buster's parvovirus diagnosis,

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he told David to do whatever it takes to treat the dog.

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And that whilst the insurance would cover these costs,

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he would pay the £100 insurance excess.

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He also says that he immediately quarantined his other puppies as a precaution,

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but in any case, he disputed that Buster died of parvovirus at all.

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Instead, suggesting that he may have tested positive for it

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because he had recently been inoculated against it.

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But when we checked this out,

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we were told there is no scientific evidence of it being possible.

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What's more, we have discovered that Mr Rowley sold another puppy

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that also died of parvovirus just four days

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after he'd been told about Buster's diagnosis.

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However, when we put that to him,

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he insisted he hadn't been informed that any other puppy had died.

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But since we spoke to Mr Rowley,

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we've been told that he has pleaded guilty to four counts

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of operating a pet shop without a licence.

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So, with so many pets advertised for sale online,

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how can you be sure you're buying from a reputable breeder?

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I've come to the British Veterinary Association to find out.

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Always see a puppy with its mother.

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And that's very good advice in almost every case.

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When people who are trying to pull the wool over your eyes

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realise that's the main criteria you ask for,

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then it's not beyond the wit of man

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that will find a dog and call it a mother.

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So you've got to have your eyes open.

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The other big thing, of course, these days,

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is buying puppies on the internet. So, how do you view that?

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With great caution.

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The internet is a great place to advertise.

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With puppies, you should go and see the environment,

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see the puppy, see its parents.

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As well as asking lots of questions about the puppy, its parents

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and the breeders themselves,

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you should see if the breeder can give you a puppy contract

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with detailed information about the puppy's background and its health.

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All of which a reputable breeder should be happy to provide.

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Meanwhile, now that a few months have passed since Buster's death,

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Tina, David and the boys have decided it's time for a new puppy.

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But this time, they've done their homework, found a reputable breeder

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and organised for extra-early parvovirus vaccinations for the pup.

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We've been on the Kennel Club website

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and we followed the guidelines in choosing a puppy.

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We've seen Mum. We're very happy indeed.

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The old stereotype of the dodgy second-hand car dealer

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isn't quite so true these days.

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And yet there's still an extraordinary number of problems

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and complaints about buying a used car.

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In fact, last year, Citizens Advice dealt with 84,000 of them.

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That's more than for any other purchase.

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And nearly three quarters were to do with faults

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that developed in the first month.

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So, how many of us really know what to look out for

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when we're buying a second-hand car?

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We did a test on the streets of Exeter to find out.

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Here's one used car that definitely isn't fit to drive.

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It's 13 years old, has done enough miles to take it almost to the moon

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and beneath that two-tone paint job,

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it's been specially rigged with problems.

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But if you were in the market for a new motor,

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how many would you spot?

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We wanted consumers to be more aware about what they were buying.

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So one side is good and one side is bad.

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On the green side, there are various faults

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and we want to see if consumers can actually find out what they are.

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The white side is in perfect condition, but the green side isn't.

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There are nine problems which any car buyer should be looking out for.

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Some of them potentially dangerous.

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Let's see how many these Exeter shoppers can identify.

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Well, this looks a bit dodgy already. Look at the light!

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So, you're not happy with the light?

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-Not massively happy with the light.

-No?

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I don't really know what I should be looking for.

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She was right to spot the loose headlight,

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but there's also a worn front tyre,

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the front wing doesn't fit properly

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and the suspension spring is broken.

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Front wing's out of alignment, the panel gaps are all wrong.

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Obviously, there's a bit of trim missing.

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The bonnet's dented, as well,

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so it's obviously had a bit of an impact...

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Yeah, but it's 2001, it's going to have a few little blemishes.

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A bit more than a blemish, though, isn't it?

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-It's a bit rusty, the suspension.

-Is it?

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When you were looking at the spring,

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did you notice the coils weren't complete?

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The spring's actually broken.

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Ah, yes, I see that. Yeah. I see that now, yeah.

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It's a particularly dangerous fault

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because what can happen is the broken section of the spring

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can spike the sidewall of the tyre.

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But our car has other serious problems

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you might only spot after a careful look at the paperwork.

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Not least a discrepancy in its true mileage.

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200,000 miles.

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It says, like, 97 in here.

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-So, it's different?

-Yeah, completely different.

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It means it's been clocked.

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And our car shouldn't even be on sale.

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Close study of the documents reveals it's been scrapped.

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It says something about DVLA, it's been scrapped.

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It is not looking good.

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It's a stereotype that girls know nothing about cars.

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And I think you don't want to embarrass yourself,

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so I probably wouldn't even ask the questions, I'd just go, "It's fine."

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Take it at face value.

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And that's what a lot of us do when we're buying a car.

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Charley Evans from Bridgend, for one.

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In the summer of 2013, while pregnant with baby Chloe,

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she decided the time was right for a family car.

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She went to one of Wales' biggest chain of dealerships,

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The Trade Centre Wales Ltd.

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"We like to make sure your journey is worth your while."

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But Charley doesn't feel her experience

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with The Trade Centre Wales was worth her while.

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We were really excited.

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They sounded like they would give us a great deal, which they did.

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Well, we thought they did.

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The couple chose a six-year-old Vauxhall Astra and paid £5,000.

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But they didn't do any checks on it before signing on the dotted line.

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They said they'd give us £1,000 off

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if we bought it there and then on the day.

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We didn't have to pay a deposit.

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And it looked like a really good car.

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But things weren't quite so good on the inside.

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After two weeks, there was a huge sort of rattling under the engine

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and we just about made it home

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and that's when we got someone to come and have a look at it

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because we didn't want to drive it.

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The Trade Centre Wales say all their cars

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go through a 99-point inspection before they go on sale.

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But Charley's car ended up back there

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only a very short time after she'd bought it.

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I was just devastated.

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You don't expect such a huge problem to go wrong with the car.

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So I was having doubts straightaway

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that I had made a huge mistake.

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The Trade Centre Wales agreed to look at her car

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and reassured Charley that they'd now fix the fault.

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We went down there and complained

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and they said they'd take it and have a look at it themselves.

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And a couple of days later, the noise came back

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and we were, like, "Great!"

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Not wanting to drive the 30 miles to the dealership in the faulty car,

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Charley went to an independent garage

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who told her the problem was still there.

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Exasperated, she complained again to The Trade Centre Wales.

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They agreed to come and get the car

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and promised to fix it for a second time.

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But after she got it back,

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it wasn't long before Charley felt the car was playing up again.

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To the point where she says she was having difficulty even starting it.

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She took the car to another garage

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and they told her that far from being fixed,

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the engine needed to be completely reconditioned.

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By this point, I said, "I don't want the car.

0:16:540:16:56

"I want nothing to do with the car.

0:16:560:16:58

"It's caused me too many problems.

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"I don't feel safe driving it while I was heavily pregnant."

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Next, The Trade Centre Wales

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asked an independent mechanic to look at the car.

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And after he concluded there was a fault

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that hadn't yet been identified, they did agree to take the car back,

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cancel Charley's finance agreement

0:17:150:17:16

and refund the money she had paid.

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I was devastated. I've never been through so much stress

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and I did not need that while I was heavily pregnant.

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When we contacted The Trade Centre Wales about all this,

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they told us it is simply not accurate

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to say the car had a massive engine problem.

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They say at no time was Charley told the car was unsafe to drive,

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pointing out that their technicians drove it for over 62 miles

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without incident and that over a considerable time,

0:17:420:17:46

the engine performed faultlessly.

0:17:460:17:48

They added that while the independent mechanic

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they asked to inspect the car

0:17:510:17:52

did conclude it had an underlying problem,

0:17:520:17:56

this was absolutely not due to any lack of proper attention

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by their mechanics.

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Indeed, they said the car had been troublesome for them, too,

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and it's caused them substantial financial loss.

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Stressing they're the UK's fifth largest independent used-car dealer

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with five-star reviews on independent websites,

0:18:120:18:14

they also told us they've applied assiduous

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and sympathetic attention to Charley's complaints

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and offered her a goodwill payment of £500 to cover the cost

0:18:200:18:24

and inconvenience she experienced.

0:18:240:18:27

And they told us about the detailed consumer protection systems

0:18:270:18:30

they have in place to protect customers

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at every stage from pre-sales to aftercare.

0:18:320:18:36

But for Charley, the car simply didn't live up to her expectations

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and she wishes she'd known more about the sort of problems

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that can occur before she bought it.

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I don't know anything about cars. I really wish I did

0:18:450:18:48

and had been more educated knowing

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what to look for in buying a used vehicle.

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Charley didn't even lift the bonnet when she bought her car.

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There's nothing to say she would have noticed a fault if she had.

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But even just a little knowledge can save a lot of trouble later on.

0:19:010:19:06

So let's go back to our shoppers in Exeter

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to see how much of that knowledge they have.

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How well are they doing at spotting

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the problems with this second-hand car?

0:19:120:19:14

Would you ever check the tyre size?

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Yes, you must check the tyre size.

0:19:160:19:19

If we look at the front one and compare it,

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that's actually illegal

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to have tyres of different size on the same side.

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The average person wouldn't notice that.

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Well, we're trying to make sure the average person does now.

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-Thanks to you.

-Yes, that's right.

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It seems there aren't too many of us

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who can properly assess a used car before we buy.

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But on our website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain,

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you can find more tips from Tim

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on the key things to check with a second-hand car

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to improve your chances of buying

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something that's safe and won't let you down.

0:19:480:19:51

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the ads are everywhere,

0:19:580:20:01

but are savings plans aimed at the over 50s

0:20:010:20:03

as good a deal as the famous faces might lead you to think?

0:20:030:20:07

I felt cheated, yes. But I felt also pretty helpless.

0:20:070:20:13

Our Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop is open for business!

0:20:190:20:22

And you've been out in force,

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getting as much information as possible from our experts.

0:20:270:20:30

Because their primary job in life

0:20:310:20:33

is to make sure you do not get ripped off.

0:20:330:20:36

And first in line when we opened the doors was Lisa Archer.

0:20:400:20:43

After a paranormal holiday trip fell flat,

0:20:430:20:46

rather than giving up the ghost,

0:20:460:20:48

she came for advice from trading standards expert, Adrian Simpson.

0:20:480:20:52

The coach turned up, there were no toilet facilities.

0:20:520:20:55

Bearing in mind there's 70 people on the coach

0:20:550:20:58

that were meant to be on there 12 hours. It took 18 hours.

0:20:580:21:00

We got to Eurotunnel, it wasn't even booked.

0:21:000:21:03

So instead of having the whole day to look around,

0:21:030:21:05

we got there at 4:30, had a very rushed trip around.

0:21:050:21:09

We've got e-mails proving they didn't even book it.

0:21:090:21:11

If you promised so much to somebody and you don't get any of it,

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to me, that's not been sold properly.

0:21:150:21:17

So let's go to Adrian. What do you think of this case?

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If they've failed to use reasonable care and skill,

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then they are deemed to be in breach of contract.

0:21:220:21:24

You should be able to, as a consumer, claim back damages.

0:21:240:21:27

Which could be a refund or some money back.

0:21:270:21:31

My advice would be to take it up with the business,

0:21:310:21:33

perhaps by the form of a recorded-delivery letter,

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explaining the situation, detailing what happened.

0:21:350:21:38

-Sorry.

-She's shaking her head.

0:21:380:21:39

They're moved to Ireland. Nobody has their address.

0:21:390:21:43

I believe people did recorded deliveries to their previous address

0:21:430:21:46

and they were being signed by different names.

0:21:460:21:48

If they're based elsewhere in the European Union,

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there is an advice service called the UK European Consumer Centre.

0:21:510:21:54

-Oh, OK.

-They can assist you with complaints

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against businesses based elsewhere in the European Union.

0:21:560:21:59

-Stick with it.

-Thank you.

-Be like that terrier.

0:21:590:22:01

-Bit between the teeth and keep going.

-Thank you so much.

0:22:010:22:03

Meanwhile Andy Shenton and his family came to see

0:22:070:22:10

communications expert David McClelland.

0:22:100:22:12

They're unhappy with their broadband provider which has

0:22:120:22:15

brought in a more limited data allowance.

0:22:150:22:18

David, we have Andy here who's got problems with his phones

0:22:180:22:22

and his internet and you're just the man to sort him out.

0:22:220:22:25

I've got a broadband and telephone package.

0:22:250:22:27

One of the things

0:22:270:22:29

they introduced was a 20G allowance, before that I was on unlimited,

0:22:290:22:33

so I never gave it a thought until the first bill came through

0:22:330:22:35

and I was hit with a £10 surcharge for exceeding the data cap.

0:22:350:22:39

I thought, well, I'll give them a ring to see what was happening.

0:22:390:22:42

And they said, "Yeah

0:22:420:22:44

"because you've exceeded your data allowance. You should have

0:22:440:22:46

"had an e-mail to say you're getting close, once you get to 80%."

0:22:460:22:50

I said, "Well, I never

0:22:500:22:51

"got an e-mail." I get an e-mail to say that my bill's ready so...

0:22:510:22:55

-So they do have your e-mail address?

-Yes, but there's nothing to say that I'm

0:22:550:22:58

-getting close to my limit.

-How do you use the internet in your

0:22:580:23:02

-house these days?

-Surfing the web, watching a bit of the old iPlayer.

0:23:020:23:07

We've got three children, so you can imagine they're all on their games on the internet.

0:23:070:23:11

-It's a massive part of our life.

-Yes, definitely.

0:23:110:23:14

And there's nothing that you're doing which is particularly extravagant or out of the ordinary

0:23:140:23:18

in terms of your internet usage. Speak to their customer services rep

0:23:180:23:22

and find out why you're not getting these e-mails because this is

0:23:220:23:24

a key part of you understanding your usage and say, "Look, we're going over

0:23:240:23:28

"our monthly usage. Rather than paying this £10 service charge every month, what

0:23:280:23:33

"other options are there?" If you're still not happy use your power as

0:23:330:23:36

consumers to take a look at the rest of the market to find a better deal

0:23:360:23:40

that will suit you - because loyalty counts for nothing, I'm afraid to say, these days.

0:23:400:23:44

So, how does all of that strike you? Do you think you've got a plan of action out of that?

0:23:440:23:48

-A plan of action, yes.

-And let's face it, particularly a family with three kids, as well,

0:23:480:23:53

your data usage is not going to shrink over time, it's going to carry on growing, isn't it?

0:23:530:23:56

And that's something you definitely need to be conscious of

0:23:560:24:00

-when choosing your broadband package.

-Yeah.

0:24:000:24:03

Now, let's be honest, very few of us really want to spend much time

0:24:060:24:10

making arrangements for after we pass on.

0:24:100:24:12

Obviously, we don't want our families to be out of pocket

0:24:120:24:15

paying for funeral costs, but really,

0:24:150:24:17

sorting out all the details isn't a job that any of us relish.

0:24:170:24:21

Which is why life insurance products known as Over 50s Plans have

0:24:210:24:25

become so popular.

0:24:250:24:27

They market themselves on their simplicity -

0:24:270:24:29

nothing complicated, just a very easy monthly payment

0:24:290:24:33

and a painless sign-up process that means you don't need to think about

0:24:330:24:36

the unthinkable for too long.

0:24:360:24:39

But they may not always be the best bet.

0:24:390:24:41

And it could be that thinking the unthinkable for just that little

0:24:410:24:44

bit longer could save you and your loved ones hundreds of pounds.

0:24:440:24:49

I've met thousands of fascinating people and I have some wonderful

0:24:490:24:52

memories, but if you'd like to leave your loved ones

0:24:520:24:55

more than happy memories, you might want to look at this...

0:24:550:24:59

It costs from £7 a month and with LV

0:24:590:25:02

there's no medical or health questions.

0:25:020:25:04

They're one of the bestselling retirement products

0:25:040:25:07

on the market and with trusted faces like Sir Michael Parkinson

0:25:070:25:10

and Cilla Black fronting their ad campaigns, Over 50s Plans

0:25:100:25:14

offer reassurance, peace of mind, and security.

0:25:140:25:17

You can't prepare for the grief,

0:25:170:25:19

but there is a way you can ease

0:25:190:25:21

the money worries of those left behind.

0:25:210:25:24

And Parky and Cilla are in good company.

0:25:240:25:26

Now, you may remember that some years back,

0:25:270:25:29

I also advertised an Over 50s Plan. The idea is quite simple,

0:25:290:25:33

each month you pay in a small amount of money and then at the end of your

0:25:330:25:37

life it pays out a lump sum to your family to cover things like funeral

0:25:370:25:41

costs and so on. But what I didn't realise and maybe those of you who have taken out

0:25:410:25:46

an Over 50s Plan don't realise either, is that what you pay in

0:25:460:25:50

in your lifetime, can be a lot more than your family actually get out.

0:25:500:25:55

They work like this. The amount you get as a lump sum stays the same.

0:25:550:25:59

It's fixed, in other words.

0:25:590:26:00

But, the amount you pay in each month is fixed at a set rate as well.

0:26:000:26:05

So, the longer you live, the more you end up paying.

0:26:050:26:08

Because after a certain point you'll start paying in MORE than

0:26:080:26:11

the lump sum is worth.

0:26:110:26:13

It's called the break even point.

0:26:130:26:16

Margaret Seamen took out an Over 50s plan back in 1997,

0:26:160:26:20

as did her husband John.

0:26:200:26:21

They were together for 65 years after a rather sweet chance

0:26:210:26:25

encounter in a London tube station.

0:26:250:26:27

He had a doughnut in his pocket...

0:26:270:26:29

SHE LAUGHS

0:26:290:26:31

..and he pulled it out of his pocket and I said

0:26:310:26:34

"That's rather nice, I haven't had a doughnut for six years!"

0:26:340:26:38

SHE LAUGHS

0:26:380:26:40

So, that was the first day.

0:26:400:26:41

So a doughnut started it all, eh?

0:26:410:26:43

And I'm still quite fond of doughnuts now.

0:26:430:26:47

They married six weeks later after this meeting.

0:26:470:26:50

And many happy years followed.

0:26:500:26:52

Then in September 1997,

0:26:520:26:54

they both took out the Sun Life Guaranteed Over 50s Plan.

0:26:540:26:58

And how much were you paying into the fund?

0:26:580:27:00

£14 a month. But we thought, "If one of us dies,

0:27:000:27:05

"we will help to pay for the funeral expenses."

0:27:050:27:10

But when 14 years later, John passed away, at the age of 89,

0:27:100:27:14

daughter Charmaine got a shock.

0:27:140:27:16

The money they had got back was little more than HALF of what John paid in.

0:27:160:27:20

What amount did they give you?

0:27:200:27:22

Erm, £1,200 and a few pence.

0:27:220:27:26

And, we worked it out that he'd actually paid in

0:27:260:27:30

about £2,300.

0:27:300:27:31

And I don't think that the policy, that it

0:27:310:27:36

was explained quite how it would work.

0:27:360:27:39

This business about continuing to pay in after you've reached

0:27:390:27:43

the sum that you're going to get back, it wasn't made clear at all.

0:27:430:27:49

Although it was unclear to Margaret,

0:27:490:27:51

this fact WAS stated in the policy documents she signed.

0:27:510:27:54

And she soon realised that the fixed value of her own plan was

0:27:540:27:57

only ever going to be £1,650,

0:27:570:28:01

no matter how much she paid in.

0:28:010:28:02

As it was a plan for life, she'd be making payments for ever -

0:28:020:28:06

long after she'd paid in more than the policy would ever pay out.

0:28:060:28:09

So you felt cheated and...

0:28:090:28:11

I felt cheated, yes.

0:28:110:28:14

But I felt, also, pretty helpless.

0:28:140:28:17

Now, in 2009, the Financial Services Authority told the companies

0:28:170:28:21

that they had to make it very clear in their advertising that what

0:28:210:28:24

you paid in wasn't necessarily what your loved ones would get back out.

0:28:240:28:28

As of March 2014 all providers have had to implement

0:28:300:28:33

guidance drawn up by the Association of British Insurers which

0:28:330:28:37

should make it crystal clear that this is an insurance plan

0:28:370:28:41

and NOT a way to save.

0:28:410:28:43

We looked at the website of five top providers of Over 50s Plans,

0:28:430:28:47

including Sun Life.

0:28:470:28:49

And the required warning IS now clearly evident on their websites.

0:28:490:28:53

They're included in the adverts, as well, in the small

0:28:530:28:55

print at the bottom of the screen.

0:28:550:28:57

And there's no doubt that despite criticism, Over 50s Plans

0:28:580:29:02

are still an incredibly popular product - with more than

0:29:020:29:05

439,000 of them being sold last year.

0:29:050:29:09

But financial expert Ros Altmann is very worried that not everyone

0:29:090:29:13

who's bought one fully appreciates what they've signed up to.

0:29:130:29:16

I think a lot of families feel miffed, they think, "Well, my dad

0:29:160:29:20

"paid in nearly £4,000 and yet we're only getting £1,800",

0:29:200:29:24

or whatever it is.

0:29:240:29:25

So, apart from the pain of losing a loved one, they really feel

0:29:250:29:29

the misery of not getting as much money out as the person paid in.

0:29:290:29:34

Yes, I think a lot of families end up being quite shocked

0:29:340:29:38

when they calculate how much money was actually paid into the plan

0:29:380:29:43

and then how much they get out of it.

0:29:430:29:46

And they are very upset to find that there's nothing

0:29:460:29:50

they can do about it.

0:29:500:29:51

And that's what's happened to Margaret.

0:29:530:29:55

Having paid in £2,300 already,

0:29:550:29:57

she decided to stop the payments.

0:29:570:30:00

We just told my mum to stop paying because we didn't see

0:30:000:30:03

the point of her continuing to throw money away like that.

0:30:030:30:06

But by doing so she broke the contract

0:30:060:30:09

and her family will now only get £642 when she dies,

0:30:090:30:13

That's nearly £1,700 less than the total she paid in so far.

0:30:130:30:18

The family complained to Sun Life and got nowhere.

0:30:180:30:20

Our complaints weren't upheld because that is what the policy was

0:30:200:30:25

and so, legally, that was absolutely right

0:30:250:30:29

but we just think that it's not fair and people need to be made aware.

0:30:290:30:35

We contacted Sun Life Direct,

0:30:360:30:38

who no longer run Margaret's policy but they did at the time she bought it.

0:30:380:30:42

They told us that they're very sorry to hear

0:30:420:30:44

she was disappointed with her plan, but stressed that it is more common

0:30:440:30:47

for their customers to get back more than they actually paid in -

0:30:470:30:51

although...

0:30:510:30:52

Of course, if you DON'T live too much longer after taking

0:30:580:31:01

one of these policies out, it could feasibly end up paying out

0:31:010:31:04

MORE than you'd paid in.

0:31:040:31:06

So, before buying one, it's absolutely crucial that you understand exactly how it works

0:31:060:31:11

so that you can decide if it's the most appropriate product for you.

0:31:110:31:14

And keep in mind that

0:31:140:31:16

if you're just looking for a way to leave something behind to

0:31:160:31:19

cover funeral expenses and the like, there are other options.

0:31:190:31:23

There are conventional funeral plans which you can take out which

0:31:230:31:27

mean that the plan itself will cover the cost of your funeral.

0:31:270:31:33

One alternative, if you're only in your 50s or maybe 60s...

0:31:330:31:39

is to just put the money in a savings account.

0:31:390:31:42

And, then, over time, that will mount up and if you do live an

0:31:420:31:46

average life expectancy - you'll then leave a lump sum for your family.

0:31:460:31:52

For Ros that gives a bit more certainty than Over 50s Plans

0:31:520:31:56

where the benefit depends on how long you live for.

0:31:560:31:59

It seems ironic that you have to die at the right time.

0:31:590:32:01

That's the problem - none of us know when we're going to die.

0:32:010:32:04

And it is really quite sad to think that a lot of them

0:32:040:32:09

end up living a long time, which is great news, but then being really

0:32:090:32:13

disappointed, that what they thought

0:32:130:32:17

was putting their money into something sensible,

0:32:170:32:21

turns out to be or feels like, for them, to be a bit of a rip off.

0:32:210:32:27

We've put together a free booklet of tips

0:32:310:32:34

and advice to help safeguard your hard-earned money.

0:32:340:32:36

You can download it from our website...

0:32:360:32:38

Or, for a hard copy, send a stamped, self-addressed

0:32:410:32:44

A5 envelope to the address we'll give at the end of the programme.

0:32:440:32:48

You'll also find on the website lots more information on the topics

0:32:480:32:51

we've tackled throughout the series,

0:32:510:32:53

with plenty of tips on how to save money - and avoid being caught out.

0:32:530:32:58

Moving into any new building is always pretty exciting, isn't it?

0:33:010:33:05

But if it's brand-new, and not even built yet,

0:33:050:33:07

then you might well have to trust the developer's design drawings

0:33:070:33:11

to really get a picture of how your new home is going to look.

0:33:110:33:15

And those plans SHOULD give you a pretty good idea of important things

0:33:150:33:19

like the size of the rooms, the layout of the building and

0:33:190:33:22

if it's a block of flats then the location of lifts and fire escapes.

0:33:220:33:27

But unfortunately, even when something appears to be

0:33:270:33:30

shown very clearly on the plan, that doesn't necessarily

0:33:300:33:34

mean that it is going to end up being included in the finished building.

0:33:340:33:38

As the bitterly disappointed residents of one

0:33:380:33:41

block in Huddersfield have found out.

0:33:410:33:43

Nestled in a valley on the edge of the Yorkshire countryside,

0:33:450:33:48

Waterside Mill is part of an historic complex of former textile mills.

0:33:480:33:53

But, unlike the two other mills in the development,

0:33:530:33:56

THIS building has never produced so much as a thread... because it

0:33:560:34:00

was only built in 2012. When the old mills next door were redeveloped,

0:34:000:34:04

this new block of 16 apartments was added.

0:34:040:34:08

But some residents don't feel that everything about their smart

0:34:080:34:11

new homes is quite what they were expecting.

0:34:110:34:14

And, top of their list of frustrations is

0:34:140:34:16

what's behind this white panel.

0:34:160:34:19

We think this is the door that should be a lift door

0:34:190:34:22

but it's not.

0:34:220:34:24

We know that the lift shaft is there, the wiring's there.

0:34:240:34:28

Why we haven't got a lift, we don't know.

0:34:280:34:32

The mystery of the empty lift shaft has frustrated

0:34:320:34:35

several of the residents of Waterside Mill.

0:34:350:34:38

Janet Porteus and her husband Barrie live on the lower-ground floor

0:34:380:34:41

and they say one reason they moved in was

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because they believed a lift would be present.

0:34:430:34:47

We have to negotiate two flights of stairs to get

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out of our apartment and, obviously, two flights of stairs, down with shopping, to our apartment

0:34:510:34:57

which we're finding difficult and it's going to get

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more difficult as we get older, I'm sure. This is why we want the lift.

0:35:000:35:04

The building's developers, PJ Livesey, insist that a lift was

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NEVER on the cards and they just built the lift shaft in case

0:35:090:35:12

residents wanted to install their own lift at a later date.

0:35:120:35:16

But this is news to residents, many of whom were convinced that

0:35:160:35:19

a lift WOULD be present.

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After all, one IS shown on the plans.

0:35:210:35:25

We have a plan on our lease... which clearly shows...

0:35:250:35:28

..the lift in situ.

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We feel like this is what we've paid for so why on earth isn't it here?

0:35:330:35:38

Two floors above Janet and Barrie live Dave and Pam.

0:35:380:35:42

They too think the developers should have installed a lift.

0:35:420:35:45

We have now been here 12 months, and no sign of installation of the lift.

0:35:450:35:49

-We have great difficulty with my wife with her shopping.

-Yeah.

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And, certainly, our disabled friends are not able to visit us.

0:35:530:35:56

One floor up at the top of the building

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lives 23-year-old Anthony Schofield.

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The stairs don't pose him with a huge problem but he does say that he would

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have thought twice if he'd known that the lift would not be installed.

0:36:040:36:08

Personally, I would never have bought an apartment on the top floor

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without a lift, so it's just disappointing.

0:36:120:36:15

A lift is even referred to in the residents' tenancy agreement.

0:36:150:36:19

We can only use the lift for the relevant amount of people

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specified in the lift and to not carry furniture in the lift

0:36:220:36:25

and then there's no lift, so it seems daft that there's a contract that

0:36:250:36:29

we've all signed up to and there's not actually a lift for us to use.

0:36:290:36:32

Anthony and other residents are adamant

0:36:330:36:36

that they were told by various sales reps that a lift WOULD be installed.

0:36:360:36:41

The developers totally reject that.

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Either way, Anthony was

0:36:440:36:45

so determined to get to the bottom of the mystery of the missing lift

0:36:450:36:48

that he employed a solicitor to take up the case.

0:36:480:36:51

The developer's solicitors have just come back saying that they

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built a lift shaft for the purpose of the residents

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if we ever wanted to put in a lift ourselves, we could do.

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Other buildings in the development DO have lifts, but the developer,

0:37:020:37:06

PJ Livesey, say that the flats in those buildings were specifically marketed

0:37:060:37:11

as having lifts, and as a result, they were more expensive to buy.

0:37:110:37:16

The developers say that residents shouldn't have ASSUMED

0:37:160:37:18

that they were getting a lift,

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and if they'd checked when they bought the properties,

0:37:200:37:23

they would have been informed that there were no plans to install one.

0:37:230:37:26

Property expert Henry Pryor says this is a classic example

0:37:260:37:31

of buyers or their legal advisors not asking enough questions.

0:37:310:37:35

A new development is a living thing, it's evolving through

0:37:350:37:38

the planning and build process.

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And, inevitably, therefore you need to be double sure,

0:37:390:37:42

doubly sure that what you are going to be given is what you've ordered.

0:37:420:37:46

Make sure that when people are giving you the undertaking or

0:37:460:37:49

the impression that they're going to deliver gardens or certain

0:37:490:37:52

levels of kitchen, that that is, in fact, what they're committed

0:37:520:37:54

to do, and you need to talk to your lawyer and ask probing

0:37:540:37:57

and searching questions of the builder and the developer.

0:37:570:37:59

At the end of the day you're parting with a considerable amount of money,

0:37:590:38:02

much of which you will have borrowed from a bank or

0:38:020:38:05

building society. It's up to you to ensure that you are getting

0:38:050:38:08

what you think you have ordered and what you've paid for.

0:38:080:38:11

Back at Waterside Mill the empty lift shaft isn't the only

0:38:120:38:15

problem they've had with the development since it was finished.

0:38:150:38:18

That obscure-looking concrete structure in the middle

0:38:180:38:21

of the reservoir SHOULD be supporting a walkway which was

0:38:210:38:24

designed to take residents over the water and out of the development.

0:38:240:38:28

But the walkway HASN'T been finished, meaning that

0:38:280:38:30

if residents want to leave the site on foot,

0:38:300:38:33

they can either take a long detour through

0:38:330:38:35

the rest of the development or try and negotiate the edge of THIS road.

0:38:350:38:40

You've got a blind bend there that you cannot see round.

0:38:400:38:43

If the walkway came over... the pond...

0:38:450:38:50

it would actually exit at the top by the gates.

0:38:500:38:54

So the people would not be in danger in this area.

0:38:540:38:58

Plus the water beside the buildings, initially a haven for wildlife,

0:38:590:39:03

has been left looking rather scruffy, as has what was

0:39:030:39:06

supposed to be visitor parking.

0:39:060:39:09

A building tip behind, that the builders have left from

0:39:090:39:14

when they was building our apartments.

0:39:140:39:18

Put together, residents say that these problems are ruining

0:39:180:39:21

their enjoyment of the homes that otherwise they love.

0:39:210:39:25

When we put all the residents' complaints to the building

0:39:250:39:27

developers, PJ Livesey, they reiterated that there was never any

0:39:270:39:32

intention to install a lift in the empty lift shaft - and that, despite

0:39:320:39:36

what some residents claim, no sales representative said otherwise.

0:39:360:39:40

They also said that when the lease agreement refers to the lift,

0:39:400:39:45

those references...

0:39:450:39:46

And they pointed out that

0:39:490:39:50

because the entrance to the building is on the first floor, no resident

0:39:500:39:54

has to walk more than two floors up or down to their apartment.

0:39:540:39:57

But there was good news too.

0:39:570:39:59

The company agreed that the cordoned-off waste ground

0:39:590:40:02

in the corner of the car park was "unsightly".

0:40:020:40:05

And since we got in touch, they've cleared up the whole of that

0:40:050:40:08

area, and refilled and cleared up the reservoir.

0:40:080:40:11

Plus, they've assured us

0:40:110:40:13

that work to construct the walkway will happen before the end of 2014.

0:40:130:40:17

So that's most of the residents' concerns resolved.

0:40:180:40:21

Except, of course, for that lift.

0:40:210:40:24

We shouldn't be having to deal with all these problems

0:40:240:40:26

when we've got a beautiful apartment.

0:40:260:40:29

No problems with the apartment or the building, it's just

0:40:290:40:32

the areas that aren't finished off and we do really need this lift.

0:40:320:40:35

Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate

0:40:450:40:48

more of your stories.

0:40:480:40:50

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0:40:500:40:53

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0:41:020:41:06

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0:41:060:41:08

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0:41:260:41:30

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0:41:330:41:37

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0:41:440:41:48

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0:41:480:41:52

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0:41:520:41:55

those unexpected situations where you find yourself out of pocket,

0:41:550:41:59

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0:41:590:42:01

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0:42:010:42:05

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0:42:050:42:08

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0:42:110:42:14

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0:42:140:42:18

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0:42:220:42:25

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