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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling totally ripped off, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you've contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that simply isn't up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
There's a lot of blurb written down but, in practice, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
the words are absolutely meaningless. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
People just can't afford these prices. It's ridiculous. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
and investigate the extra charges that you say are unfair. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
They're in a win-win situation and you're in a lose-lose situation. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
If you don't do something about it, I think it's your own fault. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip off or a genuine mistake, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
we're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
where, today, we'll be doing our best to make sure your money | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
stays out of the grubby paws of the unscrupulous operators | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
who have their own sights set on it. In other words - scammers. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Indeed. Some of the scammers we're hearing about this time round | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
really do take the biscuit when it comes to far-fetched promises | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
and too-good-to-be-true offers. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
They seemed entirely plausible as they offered a life-changing | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
opportunity or windfall, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
or even a great deal on a romantic retreat. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
But I think you can guess | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
what people who took them at their word | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
have received in return for their money. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
In two words, Gloria. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
Precisely nothing. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
But, of course, it was only because what they were told | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
seemed so convincing | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
that they handed over, in some cases, thousands of pounds. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
These were very sophisticated scams. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
So if you're the kind of person | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
who reckons you could never possibly be caught out, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
I'd advise you to think again, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
because amongst today's mix, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
there'll be one that I'm quite sure would have hooked you in. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
So we'll have plenty of tips to keep your money in YOUR pocket | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
and not in the scammers'. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Coming up, on the trail | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
of whoever's behind the inheritance scam | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
that promises that you're in line for an unexpected windfall. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
You want him to transfer 20,000 dollars to you | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
so that you can release ten million dollars to him? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
MAN ON PHONE: | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
'And retracing the steps of the Valentine sweethearts, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
'whose romantic getaway ended in heartbreak, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
'thanks to a particularly nasty con.' | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
I burst out crying. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
It was something that I'd been thinking for the past few hours. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Things weren't adding up. But to hear it from somebody else, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
it was devastating. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
A big windfall completely out of the blue | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
is something that most of us can really only dream of. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
So if you were suddenly to be told | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
that a very wealthy, long-lost relative, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
possibly one that you didn't even know and hadn't even heard of, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
had died and left you their entire fortune, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
well, it would come as a bit of a shock, I should think. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
And indeed, the story might just be plausible enough | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
to convince you that it is for real. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Unfortunately, as we're about to find out, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
the chances are that it's actually a scam. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
And instead of coming into money, you could end up losing | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
an awful lot of it. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Luxuries like this are something that most of us can only dream of, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
but for some people, that dream really could come true. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
There are around 10,000 unclaimed inheritances in the UK | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
worth hundreds of millions of pounds, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
just waiting for the rightful beneficiaries to claim them. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
But that knowledge is fuelling a global scam | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
that saw almost 4,000 victims | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
lose over £10 million in 2013. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
It all starts with a simple text message or e-mail, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
like the one that Vinnie Garrard received last summer. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
The sender said that his name was Franklin Cozad, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
and he claimed that he'd been asked to contact Vinnie | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
by a Mrs Eunice Job. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
He told Vinnie that Eunice Job was ill and had instructed him | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
to arrange a transfer to Vinnie of 11 million! | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
What was your reaction when you got this text? | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
I was shocked. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
I text him back saying, "Is it a joke?" | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
And he says, "No, it is true." | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
-But it sounded plausible? -Yes. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
Franklin said that Vinnie would need to pay legal fees | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
before the inheritance could be paid into his bank account. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Immediately, alarm bells rang, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
and Vinnie suspected that it was a scam. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
But, on the other hand, the name Eunice Job did sound familiar | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
from his childhood. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
He wasn't to know that, in fact, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
it was a name that has been used in similar scams before. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
He wanted £500 off me at first, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-pay for the solicitors. -Hmm. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
What was your reaction to that? | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
I can't do it, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
and I'm not doing it. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
But the mysterious Franklin didn't give up. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Every day he would call Vinnie again, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
supposedly telling him how the case was developing. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Even so, Vinnie was still reluctant to hand over any money. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
I wanted to talk to somebody else, not just Franklin. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
I wanted to talk to his boss. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I wanted somebody else to give me evidence of who Franklin is, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
just to see if it was true or not. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Vinnie was introduced to three other people | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
supposedly on Eunice Job's legal team, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
including Franklin's boss, a Mr Walter Van Andel. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
He told Vinnie where to transfer the money, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
but still couldn't convince him that this wasn't all a scam. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
So, to get to the bottom of what was going on, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Vinnie came to us. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
It's been a few weeks since Vinnie last spoke to Franklin | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
or his boss, Walter Van Andel. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
So I'm going to try and call them myself | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
to find out just what it is they've got to say for themselves. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Let's see how much they remember about his case. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Mr Van Andel, I'm calling on behalf of Mr Vinnie Garrard, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
you've been in contact with him | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
about an inheritance from Mrs Eunice Job. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
PHONE: | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
That's correct. So are you the solicitor representing Mrs Job? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
'So far, it's as expected. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
'Vinnie had been asked for anything from £50 to £500 in the past | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
'but, now I'm calling on Vinnie's behalf, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
'Mr Van Andel suddenly wants a LOT more.' | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
20,000? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
20,000. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
So let me get this right, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
because I'm, at this moment, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
representing Mr Garrard. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
You want him to transfer 20,000 to you, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
so that you can release 10 million to him? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Over a terrible phone connection, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
I gave Mr Van Andel an e-mail address | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
to send us instructions for transferring the money. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
'Vinnie was told that the contact details he was given | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
'for Walter Van Andel were in Belgium | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
'but, somehow, I don't believe that this man is anywhere near.' | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
Where are you at the moment? | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
Hmm. In which country? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
SILENCE | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Mr Van Andel, which country are you in, please? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Hello, Mr Van Andel? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
PHONE BEEPS | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
-At that point, he clearly smells a rat. -OK. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Not going to tell me where he is. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
We tried to call back but couldn't get through, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
and no wonder, because it's absolutely certain | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
that these people were not who they claimed to be. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Indeed, we found out that the mobile number we rang | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
is in fact registered in Benin, West Africa. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
And while the postal address and home number Vinnie had been given | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
was indeed for a Walter Van Andel in Antwerp, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
the scammers had simply stolen the details | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
of the REAL Walter Van Andel, a Belgian academic and author | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
whose address is in full view on his own website. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
The scammers who almost persuaded Vinnie to part with his cash | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
were able to do so because they'd built up a relationship with him | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
over a couple of months, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
and they made their story even more plausible | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
by giving him the names and the telephone numbers of four people | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
who were supposedly on his "case". | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Though Vinnie stuck to his guns and didn't hand over any cash, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
others have paid out to the scammers. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
The official body Action Fraud advises that the easiest way | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
to avoid being caught out is to ignore any approach like this | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
that requires that you pay a fee, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
however convincing they may make it sound. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
So anything that results from a cold call, be it a telephone, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
a letter, a text, something on e-mail, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
which is ultimately offering you | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
something that sounds too good to be true, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
or asking you for money, walk away from it. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Absolutely, walk away from it. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
What you've got to bear in mind, a lot of these cold calls | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
are computer generated. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
They're not singling you out. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
They're dialling every single number in the phone book, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and then, when it's picked up, and it's a human voice on the end, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
they'll pass it to an operator who does the sales pitch. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
If it was genuine, you may get called back. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
If it's a scammer, they won't know who they've spoken to, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and they won't get back to you. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
And that's advice reiterated by Vinnie, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
because even though he didn't hand over the money | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
that the scammers wanted, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
just engaging with them has ended up leaving him out of pocket. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Any idea how much it's cost you? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Roughly... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
I'd say about £200... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
-SHE GASPS -..in phone calls and texts. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
-So you haven't got away scot-free, have you? -No. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Well, as you can imagine, the people who are behind scams like these | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
go to great lengths to ensure that it's really difficult | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
to find out who or where they are. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
So I'm afraid we've had absolutely no joy at all | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
contacting those men who wanted money from Vinnie again. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
But we did look into the bank account | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
into which they'd asked him to transfer the money. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
It was a Santander account, here in the UK. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
And when we told Santander about what had happened, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
they said that that same account | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
has been used for other fraudulent transactions. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
So we've told them what we know about this scam | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
to prevent it being used in that way again. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Perhaps the most effective scams we hear about | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
are the ones that are extremely well organised, unquestionably convincing | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
but also just that little bit brazen. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
So audacious, in fact, that you wouldn't for a moment think | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
that what you're paying for might not even exist. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
But that's exactly the case with a scam | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
that affected a number of couples looking for a romantic place to stay | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
on Valentine's Day. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
Nestled in the Highlands, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
Loch Ness is one of Scotland's most popular tourist attractions. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
But at 23 miles long, it's also big enough | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
to escape the hordes of tourists and Nessie-spotters | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
for a quiet, romantic weekend away. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
And that's just what Laura and Sean Parks | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
from Thirsk in North Yorkshire planned last Valentine's Day. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
This would be our first Valentine's together | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
since we've been together. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
Sean's always out of the country at this time of year, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
so this one was going to be special. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Laura didn't have to look far to find somewhere | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
for the perfect Valentine's getaway. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
An ad for what sounded the ideal place | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
popped up on her Facebook page. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
When I clicked on the Facebook link, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
it directed me to their website, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
which showed that he had 26 log cabins on the banks of Loch Ness. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
All had a private hot tub. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
And the Valentine's weekend break | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
included meals, champagne and chocolates. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
The deal could hardly be better, £375 for three nights in the cabin, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
including a meal on the Friday night, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
a three-course, candle-lit dinner on the Saturday, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
and lunch on the Sunday. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
What's more, the page had been "liked" on Facebook | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
more than 9,000 times, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
so it looked to Laura | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
as though lots of people gave the cabins their stamp of approval. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
With everything looking good, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Laura contacted the owner of the cabin, Kevin Beamont, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
to organise her romantic getaway. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Whilst on the phone, he really reassured me that, you know, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
it was going to be a lovely weekend. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
He'd asked for my arrival time so he could have my hot tub switched on, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
my champagne on ice. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
He was really trying to make it special. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Excited by everything on offer, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Laura didn't think twice | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
when Kevin Beamont said she couldn't pay on her credit card. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
He said that he only accepted bank transfer, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
he didn't deal with credit cards and he didn't deal with cheques | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
or anything, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
so it had to be done through a bank transfer. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
So Laura transferred the money | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
and, a few weeks later, revealed her surprise to Sean. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
When Laura informed me we were going to Loch Ness for a log cabin, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
I was really excited. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
The following morning, Valentine's Day itself, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Laura and Sean were up early to start the six-hour drive to Loch Ness, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
with the address Kevin Beamont had given them | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
programmed into their sat nav. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The roads were pretty all right until we got into Scotland, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
and there was snow everywhere. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Well, it's a few months later, and I've come up to Loch Ness myself | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
to see if I can find this lodge that Laura and Sean booked. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
No snow and ice, so in theory, it ought to be quite straightforward. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Um, that's if I can work out how to use the sat nav. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Let's go. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
The sat nav was telling us to come off up to a hill, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and we were getting concerned. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
I started to question whether I'd misheard, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
so we decided to drive up it, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
but that was a massive mistake. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
I started panicking. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
It was a single road, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
and when we got to the top, there was just nothing there. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
And I'm being directed up exactly the same route. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
It's remote, it's bumpy, but is it going to be romantic? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
Well, here's where the sat nav says is the place. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
It's certainly the end of the road. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
What an adventure. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
Well, I wish this was the place cos it's absolutely beautiful. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
But, sadly, time to get out the atlas. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
And a few months earlier, Sean and Laura were similarly confused. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
We carried following the road up again | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
until we saw a petrol station. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
We stopped in the petrol station to see if they'd seen or heard of | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
anywhere of this log cabin, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
and they didn't know anything about it either. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Well, that was very, very interesting. I did buy a map. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
But the much most interesting part of it was that the woman in there | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
told me that, back in the spring, two separate lots of couples came | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
to ask for the directions to these cottages. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
She had never heard of them but what she did know was | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
that the village that they're meant to be in is way back there. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
I decide to stop at a hotel I pass along the way. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
It turns out it's the same hotel Laura and Sean stopped at | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
to ask directions on that very frustrating Valentine's Day. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
-I'm lost. -You're lost? -That probably won't come as a surprise. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Right. A lot of people get lost here. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
I'm sure they do. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
Well, the reason I'm here is that we're following up | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-the story of a couple... -Mm-hm. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
..actually two couples, who separately booked these cottages, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
-came up here, got into the same tangle as me... -Yep, yep. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
..and found themselves in trouble. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
I know exactly... I know exactly what we're talking about. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
I remember this couple particularly well. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
They arrived fairly late at night. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
They'd been driving around for many, many hours, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
again with the same address and the same postcode. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
The gentleman in the hotel just said, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
"Oh, I think you may have been scammed here." | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
He said, "It might not even exist." | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
I burst out crying. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
It was something that I'd been thinking for the past few hours. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
Things weren't adding up, but to hear it from somebody else, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
it was devastating, wasn't it? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Everybody's saying the same thing - they don't exist. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
The lady in the garage didn't know about them, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Willie here didn't know about them. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
They don't exist, and it's a scandal. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Those couples were had, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
and they've paid money over, and that's not right. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Laura immediately called Kevin Beamont, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
the man who apparently owned the cabins | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
but, of course, the number she had for his mobile no longer connected. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
She took to Facebook to try to contact him | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
but noticed comments on the page from other couples | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
who'd had exactly the same experience as them. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Over the same Valentine weekend, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
this hotel was visited by four other couples, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
all looking for the same phantom log cabins. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
And they'd all been talked into paying by bank transfer, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
so none would ever see their money back. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
They all saw the cabins advertised on Facebook on a dedicated page | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
that featured a large number of photos of the cabins | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
and their surroundings. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
We've discovered that the pictures used on the Facebook advert | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
were actually taken from five different websites, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
some of which were actually locations hundreds of miles from Loch Ness. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
Armed with those photos, it wouldn't have taken much for Beamont | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
to invent a very plausible site, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
as BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones explains. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
If you've got a bit of nous setting up a website | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
and a Facebook page, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
scraping photos from around the web, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
uh, with a little bit of design skill, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
you can come up with something that looks very convincing. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
A convincing-looking site is one thing, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
but Laura thought the Facebook page was trustworthy | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
because it was liked by over 9,000 people... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
which, she assumed, meant they were all recommending the cabins. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
But as Rory's discovered with a test, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
it's not quite as simple as that. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
I, for instance, set up a whole business called Virtual Bagel. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
It didn't do anything, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
it promised to send you bagels | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
over the internet in virtual form, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
and it was there as an experiment | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
to see how easy it was to get people to like your Facebook page. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
I got more than 5,000 likes pretty quickly. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
But the quality of those likes was very poor. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
They were people randomly clicking around the world. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
There are things called click farms, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
where people would actually get paid a tiny amount to click, click, click | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
on all sorts of things, to like them in a scam | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
which is to do with earning advertising money for people. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
So you've got to be careful. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
It can cost surprisingly little to buy a few thousand Facebook likes | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
to make your page look as though it's been endorsed. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
So it's wise to do extra checks, too. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
And here's one that would really help. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Even if you're hundreds or even thousands of miles away, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
remember there's an easy way to do a check on any location | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
without even leaving your home. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
Just about everywhere these days is on Google Street View, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
so take a ride, check their postcode, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
go to where they claim to be, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
and make sure they're really there. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
If Laura, Sean and the other couples had done that, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
they might not have fallen for the scam in the first place. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
We've tried to contact Kevin Beamont | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
to ask him about his non-existent cabins | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
but, unfortunately, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
just like Laura and Sean, we couldn't track him down. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
The couple are now certain to do their homework | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
before booking a break online again. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
After what's happened, I think, booking online in future, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
we'll be much more cautious. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
We'll definitely be paying by a credit card | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
and doing a lot more checks into it. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
As for me, well, I gave up, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
but only after I'd at least solved one Loch Ness mystery. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Well, I've found Nessie, but where are the lodges? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
the battle to beat scam mail hots up | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
with a new initiative to stop us being tricked out of our cash. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
It makes me very, very angry, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
particularly because the people who actually run these kinds of scams | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
are parasites on society. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Our Rip-Off Britain Pop Up Shop is back in business. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
And this year we were in the West Midlands, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
giving you the opportunity to get face-to-face advice | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
from our team of experts. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
Ring them one more time, and say | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
you're not going to get off the phone | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
until you speak to somebody in the chief executive's office | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
or in their complaints resolution team. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
James Ledbetter came in to see financial expert James Daley | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
for advice after buying trainers online that looked like a bargain. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
A week or two later, the trainers arrived | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
they was a completely different colour | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
to the ones where I'd ordered online, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
um, and copied trainers - no tags on them, no receipts, no box. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
So I messaged them, saying obviously the trainer what's come | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
is not what I've ordered. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
I'll need a refund on these. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
Never replied. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
I've sent about another three messages. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Just been blanked. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
Looking into it now on other sites, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
I think reading people's reviews, it's just a fake, dud scam. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
Your story's not an uncommon one. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Obviously, the internet can be a bit of a Wild West | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
when it comes to shopping. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
Either way, there's a few things that you can do here | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
to get your money back. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
What method of payment did you use, crucially? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
It was a debit card, sorry, I should say. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
-Ah, it was your debit card? -Yeah, debit, yeah. -OK. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
There is a scheme that you can claim on | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
-when you've used your debit card. -OK. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
-It's called the Chargeback scheme. -Yeah. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
So you ring up your bank, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
they'll send you a form, you fill it all out, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
and they will probably give you your money back | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
-in relatively short order... -Yeah. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
..and then, they will go back to the retailer | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
and try and get the money back from them. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-OK. -Now, the problem is, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
is that if they don't manage to get the money back from the retailer, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
they'll take it back from you again. But you have to remember, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
there are still some rogue traders out there | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and these days their websites can look incredibly professional, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
-you know, they'll take your money nice and easy... -Yeah. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
-..and it might be finding out the hard way... -Yeah, yeah. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
..that, actually, these guys are not legitimate. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
It wasn't just inside our shop that we heard your complaints. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Outside, at our gripe corner, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
you really let off steam about the things that irritate you. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
The biggest rip off for me is how much we pay for car insurance. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
We get penalised for our age. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
We think it's a rip off. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
I think it's a rip off that in the school holidays, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
all the summer holidays go up in price. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
It's absolutely ridiculous. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Out in the heart of the shopping centre, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
financial ombudsman Caroline Lusted-Wells | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
ran a workshop on how to avoid internet scammers. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
The worst thing you can do is reply back to that e-mail | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
or try and unsubscribe, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
cos as soon as you do that, they know that you're real, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
and they will just keep bombarding you with more and more e-mails. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
D for delete is what I say. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
You just delete it and ignore it, just get rid of it. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
And Angela had a few tips on | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
how to recognise those pesky phishing e-mails. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Anybody sending you an e-mail | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
asking you to confirm your pin number, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
that is a phishing e-mail, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
because no company will ever ask you | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
for those details. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
And the easy way to tell | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
whether or not it's coming from a genuine account or not | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
-is just to click on the name here, isn't it? -Hmm, it is. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
And if you see that it isn't from BT, or whoever, but instead, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
it says Jemima, something or other, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
you know that this is someone | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
who has somehow got hold of your e-mail address, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
and they're trying to get money out of you. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
They just throw out lots of e-mails and hope that one sticks, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
that's how they work. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:07 | |
Caroline's put together a factsheet of tips and advice. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
You can find it on our website... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
..along with advice from the other workshops we held | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
over our pop-up weekend. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Many times in the past on this programme, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
we've talked about scams or spurious opportunities. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
And however disastrous the eventual consequences might be, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
they usually all started with just a simple letter that came in the post. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
Now, identifying and helping the people who are most affected | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
has been described as a national priority | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
by a brand-new service | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
that's been set up to tackle these scams. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Because, once you're on their mailing lists, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
I'm afraid that the letters just keep on coming in sackfuls. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Pat Craven receives more post every day | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
than many people do in a week. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Hi, Pat. How are you today? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
But most of what drops through the letterbox, she doesn't want. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
Pat, I can't believe how much junk mail you've got here. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
How long did it take for you to accumulate this lot? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
That was, erm, three months. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
-Three months? -Yeah. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
It all began when Pat was going through a rough patch, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
and it got worse when she was housebound after an operation. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
She started mail order shopping for presents for her family. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
But the genuine letters about her purchases | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
were quickly followed by more letters - | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
not just about what she'd bought, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
but telling her that she'd won big cash prizes. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
But in order to claim those prizes, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
she'd have to spend more money with them. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
So how much do you think you might have spent, Pat? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-Too much. -Thousands? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
-But you never got the cheque for £13,000? -No! | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Within months, Pat's daily postbag had become too much. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
And she realised that however much she'd bought, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
the big prizes were never going to materialise. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Do you think you were suckered in, then? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
That, at the beginning, you were buying things | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
and they were being delivered, and now, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
-you're just getting the mail and the empty promises? -Yes. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Oh, I have, definitely. I'll admit that. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
I was sucked in now, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
and I feel so stupid about it. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Pat's problems with scam mail are unfortunately all too common. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
In fact, the number of us who have been taken advantage of | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
in this way has become so large | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
that Trading Standards has now set up a specialist team | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
to tackle the issue on a national scale. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Sophia is one of the team leaders who's responsible | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
for trying to stop the scammers from operating. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
I've brought you Pat's mail from the last month... | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
-Wow. -..but I see you've already got a pile there already. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
It's a very, very big problem nationally. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
We've got about 130,000 victims' names at present across the country. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:11 | |
People are getting mail like this on a daily basis. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Ten, 20, 30 letters a day. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
At its most extreme, a single response to some scam mail | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
can lead to a daily deluge of up to 100 letters or more. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
The reason that numbers can snowball in this way | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
is that, once you've replied to just one letter, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
the scammers will then share your information amongst themselves. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
You've got a particular name for these sort of lists, haven't you? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
It's a horrible term that I'm not overly keen on, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
and I prefer to use the word "victim list" | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
but, in the scammer's world, it's called a "suckers list". | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
Many of letters sent to victims on the so-called "suckers list" | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
originate from overseas. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
To stop them being intercepted by the authorities, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
they're sent in sealed containers to people referred to as enablers, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
who then put them into the UK post. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
Though Sophia and her team try their best to disrupt this chain, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
it is very difficult, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:06 | |
as once the mail gets into the system, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
it HAS to be delivered - by law. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
But once letters like this drop through your letterbox, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
their promises of cash and prizes can be extremely persuasive. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
So here we have, for instance, a prize-draw entry form. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
"Please complete all the details so you enter..." | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
"Enclose five pounds administration to activ...activate my prize draw." | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Is that five pounds | 0:27:30 | 0:27:31 | |
and the possibility of winning a big prize, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
is that the hook? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
That's right, I agree. I think that is the hook. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
They think, it's only a fiver, it's only five pounds. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
So if you times all the five pounds, or the £25s, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
or the different amounts of money they're sending off, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
you know, it rolls into hundreds of pounds a week. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
As well as the promise of prizes, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
Sophia is constantly seeing scammers use other underhand tactics, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
all designed to get a response from the addresses that they target. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
The language that's used in a scammer's letter | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
is very devious, very persuasive. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
It almost sometimes verges on blackmail. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
They tell people to keep these things a secret. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
"You'll miss you're chance if you don't do this today," | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
puts those people who are replying | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
in a situation where they feel under pressure. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
This pressure can sometimes have catastrophic financial effects. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
Chris Beckett from Wisborough Green, in Sussex, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
only found out the extent to which his father, Tom, had been caught out | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
by the scammers when his dad started asking if he could borrow money. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
You know something is wrong when there is a problem paying bills. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
I believe he probably spent in excess of £100,000. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
When Chris discovered how badly his father had been caught out, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
he called the police, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
who had launched a local initiative to combat scam mail, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
and to educate the public about it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
As part of that, and once he realised that he had been scammed, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
Tom gave this interview to Sussex Police in 2011. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
-WOMAN: -And how often were you sending money? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
Oh. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Every week, I'd say. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
I felt that I was on a good thing, and I wasn't. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Um, but it's very difficult to... | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
..throw it down the drain immediately. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
You think there is a good opportunity there | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
of getting a rather hefty cheque. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Tom died shortly after giving that interview, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
at a time when Chris was still in shock | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
about the extent of his dad's spending. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
It makes me very, very angry, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
particularly because the people who...who actually run | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
these kinds of scams are parasites on society, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
and they don't... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
They have no interest in the damage that they do | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
to the person or to the family. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
For them, it's just a money-making process, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
and they're completely cynical about it. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
The National Trading Standards Scams Team has now joined forces | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
with agencies ranging from the police to the Royal Mail | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
to combat this. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
And part of their response is to understand | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
why people are drawn in by scam mail in the first place. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
I think if you're maybe lonely or vulnerable | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
and somebody's sending you a letter every couple of days, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
you can get quite drawn into that because it feels like a friend. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
So would you say this is an addiction? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
We prefer not to call it an addiction. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
This is bullying. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
And scams are crimes, and that's a vital message we must get across. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
In fact, it's a crime which is big business. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Sophia and her team estimate that up to £10 billion | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
is sent to scammers each year | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
as a result of letters like the ones | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
that Pat and so many others respond to. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
So if we can't stop it, then we need to do the second best thing, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
which is to get into people's homes and say, "This is a scam." | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Pat now knows all too well that letters like these are a scam. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
But she was desperate to share her story | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
so that others don't fall victim in the same way that she did. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Yes, OK, I was a stupid person. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
But once in a while you think, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
"I might strike lucky." | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
-And that's what keeps tying you in? -That's it. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
So what would your message be to people who are still thinking, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
"Ooh, I might get lucky?" | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
You won't get lucky. No. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
And I just want to get the message over to people. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
PLEASE, don't get caught like me. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
Now, as you know, scams of all shapes and sizes | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
have been around for centuries. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
But whether they're old or new, some of the most lucrative | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
are the ones that start off with a promise. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
You know that one, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:48 | |
that if you put a little bit of cash in, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
you'll get so much more out at the end. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
And of course, that's a promise that can sound all too convincing. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
But you have to beware. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
These are the schemes that can cost you the most dearly | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
and leave you with absolutely nothing to show, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
having handed over thousands of pounds. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
This is a fast-money, big-business, high-stakes environment, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
where fortunes can be made and lost in seconds. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
And this... | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
is a rather less frenetic south-coast town, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
much-loved by holiday-makers and pensioners. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
Now, they're two very different worlds that don't often collide. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
And former plumber Tony Boothby from Bournemouth | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
certainly wishes that he had never considered | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
chasing his fortune on the international stock market. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
But his interest picked up | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
when he was cold called by someone offering him | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
a chance to trade on the stock market, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
with the opportunity to make a huge return. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
I picked up the phone, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
and this bloke was on the other end of the phone. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
A very...you know, a nice lad. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
He was very plausible, and then I thought, well, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
I'd give it a go, and go from there, really. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
The salesman said that he was from a Barcelona-based financial business, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
called the Eden Brown Group, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
not to be confused with companies with a similar name. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
He offered Tony the chance to invest in a biotech firm | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
who, apparently, were looking for a cure for cancer. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
I just thought it was a good idea at the time to help them, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
and help me at the same time. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Tony invested £5,000, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
and a few days later, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:26 | |
he received a share certificate from the company. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
The share certificate was just printed out, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
but it's got all their monograms and everything | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
all over the shares certificate. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
It wasn't just a plonky bit of paper, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
and it all looked pretty genuine to me. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
Delighted that his money was invested in something worthwhile, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Tony put the certificate away and thought little more about it... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
until two months later, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
when the salesman from Eden Brown Group called yet again, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
this time offering Tony the chance to invest | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
in a Canadian mining company. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
I think he wanted a bit more to start with, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
but I said, "No, I'm limiting myself to the 5,000," | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
and they said, "Well, OK. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
"We'll see if we can sort something out," of which he did do. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
Just like last time, Tony sent off his money, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
this time around £4,100. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
And again, a share certificate soon arrived in the post. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Like any investor, Tony wanted to track his portfolio. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
But the website that Eden Brown Group pointed him to | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
wasn't in English, so Tony couldn't quite follow it. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
And I couldn't really understand too much what it was all about | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
because it was all just figures and goodness knows what, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
so I never really knew exactly what was going on with the share prices. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
However, when a few months later the company called Tony again, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
offering him the opportunity to invest £10,000 | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
in an Australian financial company, he said, "No," this time. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
I said, "No, I've done enough. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
"I've had enough of what...the ones I've got, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
"and there's no way that I'm doing any more investing at this stage." | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
After that, the cold calls stopped | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
but the brochures detailing his other investments kept coming. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
So Tony was satisfied that his investments were working out. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
Then, in early 2013, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
the glossy brochures stopped coming as well. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Tony tried contacting Eden Brown Group for answers, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
but the agent seemed elusive. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
Any time that I tried to phone him up to find out any information, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
I just kept getting put off with | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
they was at a meeting, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
he wasn't in that day, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
and I just couldn't get through. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Fearful something might be wrong, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
Tony started to look into the company online. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
There was a few remarks from other individuals | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
warning other people to go very careful | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
with who they were dealing with, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
which, I thought, "Ah, this doesn't look too good," | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
and I was a little bit more concerned about it. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
And that's when I tried to contact my agent again, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
and I couldn't get him on the phone. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
I kept getting put off, and then, all of a sudden, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
the number had just gone dead. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
With the company's phones suddenly disconnected, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Tony came to a horrible realisation. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
I was really worried, I was pretty sick, and I... | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Not so much sick, but | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
for somebody to con me out of my money, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
is a big thing. I was really upset. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Over the next year, Tony kept on trying to get in touch | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
with the company, whilst also reporting them to Action Fraud. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
So, almost £10,000 out of pocket | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
and unsure whether he really owns any shares at all, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
we're bringing Tony to the City Of London | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
for some expert advice. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
Justin Urquhart Stewart has more than 25 years' experience | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
within the investment trading industry, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
so he knows a genuine share certificate when he sees it. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Tony, we've got two of your share certificates here | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
and this looks beautifully fancy, doesn't it? | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
-It does, yeah. -Nice pictures on it, and it's got the form on the back, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
so it could be a real one. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
They've even got some sort of watermarks on here, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
but I'm afraid that doesn't mean anything at all these days. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-They look good to me. -They look fantastic. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
They may look like the real thing, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
but Justin's pretty sure that they're not. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
And he's even more confident of that when he hears more of Tony's story. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
-And they'd phoned you up directly, had they? -Yes. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
-Yeah, and told you a nice story about an opportunity? -Oh, yeah. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
The story you've told me, it sounds like a classic boiler room scam. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Boiler room scams are a very simple con, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
in which a group of individuals set up a sort of mini call centre, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
from where they cold call people, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
attempting to sell things such as holiday homes, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
luxury goods, and stocks and shares, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
which, in reality, either don't exist at all | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
or are only worth a fraction of the price that the buyer pays for them. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
First of all, people shouldn't be cold calling you | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
about investments in the first place, anyway. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
Now, no doubt, you'll get people trying to proffer financial advice, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
but anybody trying to sell shares over the phone, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
that's a big no-no. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
Anyone trying to do that at the moment | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
will be breaching all sorts of regulation. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
It is against the Financial Conduct Authority's rules | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
for a business to make the sort of cold call that Tony received. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
But, when a company has tempted you once, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
they'll keep coming back for more. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
So it's good news that Tony called a halt to any further buys | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
after his second investment. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:21 | |
What you quite rightly did was say, "No." | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
But all they need to do is to come up | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
with some names of companies - whether they exist or not - | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
have your name, and then a really slick sales patter, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
and persuade you to be able to part with your money, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
and they've got away with it. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
And then, a few months later, the telephones go, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
the fax machines go, and there's no response any more. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
All of which, of course, is exactly what happened to Tony. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
As for the companies he supposedly bought shares in, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
the biotech firm was delisted from the Frankfurt Stock Exchange | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
and we can't find any information that suggests it was ever | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
the pioneering, cancer-busting company that Tony was told about. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Both it and the Canadian mining company are no longer trading. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
So it's pretty clear that the money Tony invested has gone. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
And it's cold comfort for him that it could have been much worse. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
I've come across people - | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
sadly, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of pounds, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
and people who really were taken in by that, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and then felt obliged to put in more. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Despite his best efforts to contact them, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Tony last heard from Eden Brown Group in October, 2013. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
And we had no joy whatsoever in getting in touch them either. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
The Spanish-based company hasn't answered any of our questions | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
or e-mails. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
We also contacted the two companies | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Tony bought nearly £10,000 worth of shares in, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
but we've had no response to the various e-mails we sent. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
The best advice if you're cold called by someone offering | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
an incredible-sounding investment is to end the call. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
And hold on to your cash | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
until you've taken independent, regulated advice. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
We have this regulation to protect us from these scams | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
and to protect us from these...these evil-doers, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
and sadly, there are more of them around, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
and therefore, we need the regulation even more. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
As for Tony, I'm afraid | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
he's now resigned to the fact that his money has gone. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
It is a big kick in the teeth | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
because that was for my future | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
and it's for my grandchildren. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
I just feel that, somewhere along the line, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
I'm trying to help other people not to get conned to the extent I am. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
Well, like Tony, we thought we'd seen the end of his investments, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
but as we were finishing this programme, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
there was a further twist to the tale. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
We finally had a reply to one of the e-mails we'd sent | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
to the companies Tony thought he owned shares in. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
Though the biotech firm didn't respond, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
the people behind the Canadian mining company did, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
assuring us that Tony does, in fact, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
own 5,000 shares in their company, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
but that's not quite the good news it sounds | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
because the company isn't currently active | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
which means that while Tony's shares, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
along with those owned by anyone else, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
do at least exist, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
unfortunately, they are almost certainly worthless. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
more of your stories on any subject. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Are you confused over your bills or | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
just trying to wade through never-ending small print? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
It's very frustrating because it makes what should be a | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
quite simple job a lot more complicated, and I think some people | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
just give up and so they don't get the best deal. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
Maybe you're unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
and that so-called "great deal" has ended up costing you money. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
People are buying into this. I did, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:46 | |
you know, and are they going to be as awkward | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
with them as they were with me? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
the mistakes you made with us. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
It upsets me an awful lot because, you know, I'm retired and I begrudge | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
having to pay that kind of money out. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:06 | |
..or you can send us an e-mail to... | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Remember that the Rip-Off team is ready and waiting | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
to investigate your stories. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Well, as we've seen, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:31 | |
there is a seemingly endless range of scams out there. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
So while we certainly all love receiving your letters and e-mails, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
what we don't relish is the thought of hundreds of scam correspondence | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
coming through your letterboxes and computers. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
But, as we've been hearing, the perpetrators really can go | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
to enormous lengths to make what they're saying sound legitimate. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
So it really is very easy to see how you can be taken in. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
So before you hand over any cash | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
to someone promising an amazing investment opportunity, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
or a top prize in a draw you never even entered, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
take a deep breath | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
and think about why they've contacted you in the first place. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Hmm. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
So here's the message - do not be seduced. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
Go away and do your checks and research, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
or you could bring it to us to have a look at on your behalf. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
If it is a scam, we, of course, can warn other people about it as well. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
So, on that note and that advice, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
that's where we have to leave it for today. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Until the next time, thanks for watching, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
-and from all of us here in the team, bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 |