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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling totally

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ripped off and you've contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies that you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch.

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If I walk in somewhere and they treat me badly,

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then I walk and I will never go in again.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you'd say are unfair.

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You've paid for a service and you expect it to be

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the service that you've paid for.

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And when you've lost out and no-one else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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As a customer you've got to be more savvy in terms of what you're

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buying, and make sure it's something you want or need

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and not something that they're trying to trick you into getting.

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake,

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we're here to find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money - this is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that sets out to make sure that whatever you're

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spending your money on, you are spending it wisely.

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And that's not always easy to do in a world where technology is evolving so fast

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it can be hard to keep up with both the opportunities and the dangers.

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You are so right there, Julia, because so many of us now spend

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such a large part of our everyday lives on the internet that we don't

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always stop to question exactly what it is we're going to find there.

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We might jump into what seems like an opportunity without fully

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understanding exactly how it works or, even worse,

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we make the mistake of handing over our personal details to

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someone that we really should have kept them well away from.

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I must say, not a position you want to be in.

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But it is safe to say that we're not always as internet savvy

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as we might like to think we are, certainly in my case.

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And as you'll see from a test we've done, that could mean

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putting your own security and private information at risk.

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So today, we're going to be doing our very best to help you

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through some of the thorny situations that you can get yourself

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into online, as well as visiting a part of the internet that's

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the absolute last place that you want any of your details

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to end up on.

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Coming up, the secrets of the darkest parts of the web

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where criminal gangs have found ways to take full advantage

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of your personal information.

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So, not only is it easier than robbing a bank,

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you end up with more money than if you'd robbed a bank?

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If you do this well, you can make hundreds of millions.

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And the shopping site that promises bargains - and fun.

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So why do so many of you say you've ended up with neither?

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You start then to really get into bid, bid, bid.

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I feel like I've been mugged by the invisible man.

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An increasing number of the stories that we investigate here

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at Rip-Off Britain involve criminals who are making fraudulent use

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of your personal details, which of course has led many of you to

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wonder exactly how it is they get that information in the first place.

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Well, as we're about to find out, there is

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a murky side to the internet where anything can be traded and where

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right now, this very second, someone could be putting together

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all of your personal information and for the right price, selling it.

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If you've ever felt like you're drowning in all those passwords

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that you need to remember when you're online, then you're not alone.

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New research confirms that now we all have so many different

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accounts for shops, banks or simply logging onto your e-mails, that we

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often forget almost half of the passwords that we've set up for them.

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Maybe that's why so many of us still often stick to the same one,

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or something very similar.

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But if that makes OUR lives easier,

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it does exactly the same for the fraudsters,

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making it much simpler for THEM to intercept our details

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and use them in identity fraud,

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a crime which is very much on the rise.

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It doesn't matter how meticulous you are in trying to protect

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all your personal data, if a criminal is determined enough,

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they will find it and then use that information against you

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and rip you off.

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Cases of identity fraud have increased by a third

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in the last year.

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But that doesn't mean that we're all getting the message

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when it comes to online security.

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Do you have the same password for everything?

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I've got to admit, yes.

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-And Pin number!

-You realise how dangerous that is?

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-BOTH: Yes. We do.

-But if they don't know, it's OK.

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-But they're going to find it, that's the thing.

-Are they?

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-Do you guys use the internet a lot for buying stuff?

-Yes.

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-Yeah, all the time.

-You do?

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So how do you protect your Pin numbers and your passwords?

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I'm quite high security with my cards. I have different savings.

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So when I buy something, I transfer it over to another account.

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If I told you that it was possible for hackers to get your e-mail,

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account number, your passwords,

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your Pin numbers, your credit card numbers, on the web,

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and sell that information to crooks who can then use it to

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access your accounts, your money, what would you say?

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-They'd be very disappointed.

-LAUGHING:

-Why's that?

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Because I ain't got nothing in there.

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ANGELA LAUGHS

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Except they can steal your identity and use that

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to put you in debt.

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Oh, that would be great if they could steal my identity,

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the taxman would get hold of them instead of me!

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'If only it were that simple!

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'But, in fact, the crooks behind identity theft

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'can buy and sell your information in a place where it's almost

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'impossible for them to be found.

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'Usually known as the "dark web",

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'it's one of the most sinister parts of the internet

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'and it doesn't show up on search engines.

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'So crimes are committed and information traded

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'without the people behind it all being easily traced.

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'So I've come to find out more about it from

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'identity theft expert Darren Innes.

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'He runs a website called HasMyIdentityBeenStolen.com

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'where you can check if your personal details

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'are amongst those that have been stolen

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'and then put on sale on the dark web.'

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Darren, exactly what is the dark web?

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It sounds really sinister.

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I think the best way to explain the dark web

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is if you imagine the internet as an iceberg.

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Traditionally we see about 4% of the internet through normal

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search engines - so Google, Safari etc.

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96% of the internet is hidden by password-protected websites.

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In that 96% there's a belief there's a lot of criminality happening.

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What exactly are the criminals doing down there in that bit of the iceberg?

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Um, well, anything. There are sites where you can go on and buy drugs

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and have them delivered.

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You can even, they believe, find a hit man, if you want one,

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on the dark web.

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What we're concerned about is the amount of identities

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that are up for sale on the dark web.

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So they're getting this information...

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Once they've got it, what are they doing with it? Are they using it themselves?

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Um, they sell it between gangs.

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So one gang may find your e-mail and password

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and then they'll sell it to another organisation,

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who'll then use it to start doing things like phishing e-mails

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where they try to get data off you,

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or they'll use researchers to find things like your date of birth,

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where you live, that kind of information.

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They build that up over a period of time.

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That process can take up to two years.

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But in that time they'll build a complete financial

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-and personal profile of you...

-Yeah.

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..accessing exactly what kind of information?

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Um, credit card numbers...

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Um, your date of birth, electoral roll, secret answers.

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So a common one is your mother's maiden name.

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'Darren's company estimates that it has over 600 million

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'records in their database

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'and they're adding a whopping 300,000 more every day.'

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Presumably the criminals are going to be always one step ahead

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of the law enforcement agencies?

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Well, bizarrely they generally are.

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The faster we come up with a way of preventing something,

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they've already thought of the next step.

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'Darren then showed me a site on the dark web

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'where criminals are making use of the data that they've stolen.

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'I'm looking at what first appears to be a normal shopping site

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'but I soon realise that what's on sale here

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'isn't what you'd find at the supermarket.'

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What you are looking at here is a typical carding site.

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What I mean by a carding site is a site that is selling credit

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card data from around the world.

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It just looks like any normal website that you'd go on

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and buy goods and services.

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And they're cheap!

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They're selling a credit card for £2.50!

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This is extraordinary. You've got every country in the world here.

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Yeah, I know. It truly is shocking.

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The thing that I found most amazing when I started looking at this

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was that if you buy the data and it doesn't work within a couple

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of hours, the criminal will give you the money back

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for trying to use that credit card.

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It is a very organised business.

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-So it's honour among thieves?

-Absolutely.

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ANGELA GASPS

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It is shocking.

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'When major criminals have finished using stolen credit card details

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'sites like this one trade the information on

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'so that minor criminals can use it to buy low-cost items,

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'usually online.

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'Darren's used the information from such sites to compile

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'a database of people whose e-mail addresses have been compromised.

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'And while his is just one of the services where you

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'can buy solutions to keep your details safe,

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'you can also check for free if your details are on Darren's system

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'and currently doing the rounds of the dark web.

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'So, obviously, I was keen to know if my details were at risk.'

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It's going to have sent notification to your e-mail account,

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so only you can see this data.

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You have to own that e-mail account for it to tell you.

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What a criminal will do often is take over your e-mail account,

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or try to. We need to keep it very, very secure.

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It'll send a notification to your e-mail address

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and then it will tell you what data has been up for sale - if any.

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So you've got to be careful with what you put on this

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because people might hack into this and pass it on?

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Yeah, we have to be very, very careful.

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The last thing we want to do is to aid the criminal

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in the abuse that they take.

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'So, for me, it was good news.'

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As you can see, it's come up now and what it's saying is

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that there is no data on you on the internet at the moment.

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Phew! That's a relief, I can tell you.

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But I'm going to go home and change all my passwords!

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Yes, it's a good idea.

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'Well, at least, criminal gangs don't seem to have got at my details

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'but, unfortunately, the same can't be said for many others.

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'A few simple actions can help to protect your online security,

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'notably keeping your passwords safe and changing them regularly.

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'But nothing is foolproof and, later in the programme, we are

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'going to be unpicking some of the crimes that use information

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'from the dark web and trying to track down who's behind them.'

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Next an online shopping site that's already had its knuckles

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rapped by the authorities but, even so, it's still prompting

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a number of complaints to our inbox on the programme.

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That's despite it being a place that not only promises

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that you'll "bag a bargain,"

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but that the whole process is what they describe as "fun shopping".

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I'm afraid, for some of you, it may have started out that way

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but fun is not at all how things have ended up.

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'50% off...

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'Last chance to buy...

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'Sale of the century.

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'Well, there can't be many of us who don't love to bag a bargain.

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'These days it isn't necessarily the high street where we

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'go to find the best deals.

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'Many shoppers head straight online

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'and a good chunk of those will log on to one of the online

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'auction sites where the thrill of searching out the best price is

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'combined with the excitement of trying to beat other people to get it.

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'Best known, of course, these days is eBay,

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'which last year had a staggering 157 million users worldwide.

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'But plenty of other companies have muscled in on the same territory.

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'And, with one of them,

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'not everybody ended up with quite what they bargained for.

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'Paul Taylor from Northamptonshire is no stranger

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'to how auction sites usually work.

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'So he was delighted when he spotted one that seemed the perfect

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'place to look for a new phone for his son.'

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I thought a really nice thing to do was to get him an upgrade to

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his existing phone and get him the latest smartphone that's available.

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Now I'm used to bidding sites and auction sites.

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I've been doing it for several years myself

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so when I saw the advert I thought, "Wow, this is great."

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'The advert Paul had seen was from a company called MadBid,

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'which describes itself as the number one discount auction website.

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-Delivery.

-Perfect!

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'It advertises high-end electrical goods like computers,

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'mobile phones and TVs but at real rock-bottom prices.

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'In fact, the ad suggested savings of up to 80% off

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'what you pay on the high street.

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'So Paul went to the MadBid site to find out what he had to do next.'

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I opened the laptop, logged on to the MadBid site

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and started following the instructions.

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'Ah, but MadBid doesn't work in quite the same

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'way as the auction sites which Paul had used before.

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'On most of them, bids are free and you only pay the price of an item

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'if you win it.

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'On MadBid, you have to pay to place each bid

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'and, what's more, each bid is on a timer.

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'If the timer runs out and you're the last bidder,

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'the item is yours for the closing price.

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'If somebody else then places a bid, well, the clock starts again.

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'The timer just keeps on ticking until everybody bows out.

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'So, in order to win the item,

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'you need to be prepared to pay to bid until the timer finally stops.

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'It may sound complicated but MadBid calls it "fun shopping".

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'Paul fancied his chances so purchased a package

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'of bidding credits for £27.99 so that he could start playing.'

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I strongly believed at this point that I was purchasing tokens to bid

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against an item but the tokens weren't going to be

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of monetary value.

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They were just tokens for bidding, it was some kind of game that

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you played where you put a coin in and it worked.

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'Paul would only later realise that things aren't quite that simple.

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'But, assuming they were,

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'he soon spotted the make and model of telephone that he was

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'looking for, which had a starting price of just £1.50.'

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I was so excited. I've got an opportunity so I started bidding.

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'Before he knew it, Paul had entered into an

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'out-and-out bidding war to win the phone.'

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You start then to really get into bid, bid,

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bid and it becomes very addictive.

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Bid, bid, bid...

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'But what Paul didn't realise was that each time

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'he placed a bid money would come out of the £27.99 credit

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'package that he had bought at the start.'

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I suddenly went to bid again and it wouldn't let me bid.

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Then I got a message come up saying I've got no more credits.

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So I started then to sit back and really question, "What have

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"I just done? Have I just blown the money or is it somewhere?"

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'Paul had used up all of his £27.99 credit.

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'If he wanted to carry on bidding,

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'he would have to buy more of those credits.'

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I quickly realised that the process of MadBid was that money was

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used to purchase the tokens which were actual monetary value

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and every time you bid, you lost that monetary value.

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'It was only at this point, as Paul began to look into the terms

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'and conditions of the website more thoroughly, that he

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'understood the unusual way MadBid works.

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'The £27.99 that he spent on credit hadn't disappeared completely.

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'It was still in his MadBid account but the only way

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'he could now touch it was by using it to put towards buying

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'items being sold on the site at full price, rather than

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'the discounted prices which had been the only reason

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'he'd wanted to shop there in the first place.

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'Which might not be so bad,

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'if MadBid's full prices were always competitive, but they're not.

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'You can usually buy the same goods for the same,

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'or even lower price, on more conventional shopping sites.

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'But, for Paul, with his money now locked into his MadBid account,

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'that was no longer an option.'

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Shocking was the word I'd use for my stark realisation

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that I felt that I had done something really stupid.

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'Well, we've been contacted by a number of other people who

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'feel exactly the same way as Paul.

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'They don't think the way in which MadBid works is made clear

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'enough on the website.'

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I didn't realise that you were actually paying to bid.

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'And that is the key complaint from everyone

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'who's been in touch about MadBid.

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'They simply hadn't appreciated that you pay to bid or that,

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'if you don't win an item, any money you've spent on bids is not

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'directly returned but can only be used on full-price purchases.'

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By the time you've found out what's actually going on,

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you've run out of money.

0:17:240:17:26

'Indeed, in 2014 the Advertising Standards Authority

0:17:270:17:30

'agreed that the MadBid advertisement it looked at was

0:17:300:17:34

'not sufficiently clear that there was a cost associated with each bid,

0:17:340:17:39

'saying that consumers would not immediately understand

0:17:390:17:41

'the nature of the service.

0:17:410:17:43

'MadBid has since changed the wording of that particular ad.

0:17:440:17:47

'But the ASA's concerns certainly mirror the experience of the people

0:17:470:17:52

'we've heard from, although they all told us

0:17:520:17:54

'it was through different ads that they first learned of MadBid

0:17:540:17:58

'and the offers you'll apparently find there.

0:17:580:18:01

'When we asked financial journalist James Daley to take a look

0:18:010:18:04

'at the MadBid site, he had sympathy for those who'd been confused.'

0:18:040:18:09

MadBid describes itself as a discount auction site.

0:18:090:18:13

In fact, even the number one fun shopping site.

0:18:130:18:17

In reality, it's more of a gambling site than anything else

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because the chances of you getting a great deal are completely unknown.

0:18:220:18:27

So here we are on the home page of MadBid

0:18:270:18:29

and there are loads of great offers here

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but nowhere does it say exactly how you get those and what the cost

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is of ending up buying the credits to bid on these items.

0:18:370:18:41

It's very hard to find anywhere about how much one click,

0:18:410:18:45

one bid is going to cost you and the truth is that it varies.

0:18:450:18:49

It's so untransparent.

0:18:490:18:51

It's very easy for customers to throw away money here.

0:18:510:18:54

'But when we contacted MadBid.com the company completely

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'rejected any criticism of how it works.

0:19:000:19:03

'It stressed that Paul has not lost the £27.99 he spent on credits,

0:19:030:19:08

'reiterating that although he can't get a monetary refund,

0:19:080:19:12

'like all customers who don't win at auction,

0:19:120:19:14

'his credits were converted into earned discount vouchers

0:19:140:19:18

'which can be redeemed against purchases from MadBid's

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'online shop and are valid for 365 days.

0:19:210:19:25

'The company insisted that its terms

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'and conditions are well structured and everything is clearly defined

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'in detail with a video tutorial demonstrating exactly how it works.

0:19:320:19:37

'Then it went on to point out that any customer who buys credit

0:19:370:19:41

'and then decides not to bid at all is entitled to a full refund

0:19:410:19:45

'and it added that its advertising meets all necessary criteria.

0:19:450:19:49

'Even so, Paul and the others we've heard from say much the same thing, by the way.

0:19:520:19:56

'They still believe although the information is in the company's terms and conditions,

0:19:560:20:01

'it isn't clear enough and if he had understood how it worked,

0:20:010:20:05

'Paul's adamant that he would never have signed up.'

0:20:050:20:08

I strongly feel that I've been ripped off.

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Yeah, you know, the words that I used to my partner

0:20:110:20:14

when she came home that night was I feel like I've been mugged...

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..by the invisible man.

0:20:170:20:19

'Still to come on Rip-off Britain,

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'how safe is the free Wi-Fi we use when we're out and about?'

0:20:290:20:33

I think people should be very concerned

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when using a public Wi-Fi hotspot to access the internet.

0:20:350:20:39

It's about sacrificing convenience for security.

0:20:390:20:44

'We're on the road again with our Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop.

0:20:480:20:52

'This year we've come to the heart of the East Midlands, to

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'one of the biggest shopping centres in Nottingham.'

0:20:550:20:58

There's a whole wonderful world of consumer advice waiting for you.

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'For the fifth year running we've brought our team of experts

0:21:020:21:06

'with us, ready to give face-to-face consumer advice - all with the aim

0:21:060:21:10

'of stopping as many of you as possible from being ripped off.'

0:21:100:21:14

-Edwina, meet Cynthia.

-Good morning.

-Nice to meet you.

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'Edwina Seddon was keen to talk to trading standards expert

0:21:170:21:21

'Sylvia Rook about a deposit she paid for building work that was never done.'

0:21:210:21:26

We arranged for a drive to be fitted at our property

0:21:260:21:30

and signed a contract on the 1st December last year.

0:21:300:21:33

They agreed that they would do it in March of this year.

0:21:330:21:37

In February, they rang my husband and asked for a deposit of £480.

0:21:370:21:43

They never mentioned that it was non-refundable

0:21:430:21:46

and they haven't done the work.

0:21:460:21:49

They haven't communicated with us and when I did manage to speak

0:21:490:21:53

to them, I just got a lot of twaddle, really.

0:21:530:21:55

With the law, the Consumer Contracts regulations,

0:21:550:21:58

it says you've got the right to cancel the contract 14 days after

0:21:580:22:01

the goods have been delivered and the goods would be the concrete.

0:22:010:22:04

You can cancel a contract if you want.

0:22:040:22:06

If you've got their name and their registered office address,

0:22:060:22:09

-then it's a matter of writing them a letter.

-I've done that.

0:22:090:22:12

I sent them a letter two weeks today giving them 14 days to reply.

0:22:120:22:19

-They haven't, as yet, replied.

-What you need to do then is send them

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a "letter before action" saying that you want the full refund

0:22:220:22:25

of your £400 within the next seven days or you will

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-pursue them through the small claims court.

-How much will that cost?

0:22:280:22:31

It's a sliding fee. I think it's around about £70

0:22:310:22:33

but that's the way to try and get your money back, is to now take them through the courts.

0:22:330:22:37

Well, I will take it to the limit because I think it's disgusting.

0:22:370:22:40

I'll take it to the highest court in the land if I have to.

0:22:400:22:43

'Immediately after coming to see us, Edwina acted on Sylvia's advice

0:22:440:22:48

'and issued a letter before action to the company involved.

0:22:480:22:51

'They didn't reply so now she's taking action through the small claims court.

0:22:510:22:56

'Right in the heart of the shopping centre we set up what

0:22:580:23:01

'we call our gripe area, where you came along to tell us

0:23:010:23:04

'about all the things that really get your goat.'

0:23:040:23:07

I hate bad customer service

0:23:080:23:11

because I work in the customer service industry myself

0:23:110:23:13

and I'm really helpful and really polite

0:23:130:23:17

and I expect to be treated how I treat other people.

0:23:170:23:21

What really annoys me is when you buy things from the shop,

0:23:210:23:25

you bring the thing back, they say it's non-refundable.

0:23:250:23:29

I'm annoyed about council tax.

0:23:290:23:31

We pay £290 a month and we get nothing in our village for it.

0:23:310:23:35

'And we set our experts loose to share their tips

0:23:350:23:38

'with passing shoppers.

0:23:380:23:40

'Finance expert Sarah Pennells wanted to see how up to date

0:23:400:23:44

'we might be on the information that companies can get on our finances.'

0:23:440:23:48

Have you ever done anything like get hold of a copy of your credit report to see what's on there?

0:23:500:23:54

-No.

-Would you be interested in seeing it at all

0:23:540:23:57

-or is there a reason...?

-No, I'd rather not.

0:23:570:24:00

Well, a credit report isn't just a record of whether you've repaid your credit card.

0:24:000:24:04

You said you'd rather not see what's on your credit report.

0:24:040:24:07

-Absolutely. Maybe the loans that I've had?

-OK.

0:24:070:24:11

-You've paid them off OK in the past?

-Yeah.

0:24:110:24:14

Because if you've paid something off and there hasn't been a problem,

0:24:140:24:18

then it could stay on your credit report for about

0:24:180:24:21

-up to two, three, four years.

-Right.

0:24:210:24:25

It is worth getting hold of your credit report.

0:24:250:24:27

And the reason is, companies are looking at it all the time,

0:24:270:24:31

-if you ever apply for credit. They'll be checking it.

-Right.

0:24:310:24:34

And you may as well make sure it's correct

0:24:340:24:36

because there might be a mistake on it. You can get it for £2.

0:24:360:24:39

It's a legal right that everybody has.

0:24:390:24:42

You can do it online or you can do it by post.

0:24:420:24:45

You can get hold of a copy of your credit report and there's no other fee.

0:24:450:24:48

'Sarah's put together a fact sheet full of great tips on how to

0:24:480:24:53

'give your finances a simple makeover.

0:24:530:24:55

'You can find it on our website...

0:24:560:24:59

'..along with plenty of advice from the rest of our team of experts.'

0:25:010:25:05

For many of us, I guess staying connected to the internet has

0:25:080:25:11

become an essential part of our lives.

0:25:110:25:14

Not just at home or at work, but when we're out and about, as well.

0:25:140:25:18

Smartphones and tablets have made that really easy,

0:25:180:25:21

especially as these days so many of the places we visit, like cafes,

0:25:210:25:24

pubs or hotels, will offer free Wi-Fi for customers,

0:25:240:25:28

so wherever we are we can quickly log on.

0:25:280:25:31

But is it always a good idea to connect to those networks? Because it

0:25:320:25:35

could be that some of them aren't as safe, or even as genuine,

0:25:350:25:38

as you might think.

0:25:380:25:40

Our technology expert, David McClelland, has been conducting

0:25:400:25:44

an experiment and the results may make you think twice before you

0:25:440:25:48

sign up to the first free Wi-Fi you see.

0:25:480:25:51

'Public Wi-Fi is everywhere - in hotels, shops, cafes and beyond.

0:25:530:25:58

'But while it may be a convenient way to log on when we're out and about,

0:25:580:26:02

'how do we know if those connections are trustworthy?'

0:26:020:26:06

The bus stop where I wait has a free Wi-Fi area for, like, 30 minutes.

0:26:070:26:11

So I'm waiting for my bus, it's really good

0:26:110:26:13

cos you can go on your phone and it doesn't cost you a penny.

0:26:130:26:16

Even if they don't have a passcode, I'd always test them out

0:26:160:26:19

and if they work I will use them.

0:26:190:26:20

Often the shops that you go in, you kind of choose those

0:26:200:26:23

specifically because they have maybe got free Wi-Fi.

0:26:230:26:26

'But free doesn't necessarily mean secure.

0:26:280:26:31

'And internet security specialists, like our technology expert

0:26:310:26:34

'David McClelland, are worried that some Wi-Fi hotspots can be

0:26:340:26:38

'abused by cybercriminals.'

0:26:380:26:41

I think people are drawn to public Wi-Fi

0:26:410:26:43

because we all love a free lunch

0:26:430:26:45

and we're also very mindful of not going over our monthly data

0:26:450:26:49

allowance in our service plans because that can be quite expensive.

0:26:490:26:53

The problem is, increasingly we're sacrificing security

0:26:530:26:56

for convenience and while we're drinking a coffee or maybe

0:26:560:26:59

having a cake in a coffee shop, it could well be that

0:26:590:27:02

hackers are snacking on our personal details as we do so.

0:27:020:27:07

'David's convinced that fraudsters may already be setting up fake

0:27:080:27:12

'Wi-Fi hotspots that could give them access to all your online details,

0:27:120:27:16

'and to prove how easily we might fall for it,

0:27:160:27:19

'he's set up his own free public Wi-Fi hotspot in a busy cafe.'

0:27:190:27:24

We're in a coffee shop in London where we've set up

0:27:240:27:28

a wireless network.

0:27:280:27:29

This is a spoof wireless network, just with this little box here.

0:27:290:27:33

It's broadcasting a hotspot that you might find in a normal coffee shop for free Wi-Fi.

0:27:330:27:38

We're waiting to see how many people connect to this over the

0:27:380:27:43

couple of hours or so that we're here.

0:27:430:27:44

'David's network is simply called Free Wi-Fi

0:27:460:27:49

'and anyone coming into the cafe will have the option of selecting it.

0:27:490:27:53

'But with no information about who is providing the Wi-Fi connection,

0:27:530:27:57

'these coffee shop customers can't be certain whether it's a

0:27:570:28:00

'legitimate connection or a scammer watching their every move.

0:28:000:28:04

'Luckily, in this case, as soon as anyone logs on,

0:28:040:28:07

'they'll get a message explaining what we're doing.'

0:28:070:28:10

It's just an experiment, we're not collecting any personal details.

0:28:100:28:14

There is a Rip-Off Britain pop-up page that comes up here instead.

0:28:140:28:18

It helps to illustrate just how easily people are willing to

0:28:180:28:22

log on to a network without any idea whatsoever what it actually is.

0:28:220:28:26

Oh!

0:28:260:28:27

Someone's just connected. Oh, gosh, yeah.

0:28:270:28:30

It's all kicking off here.

0:28:300:28:32

'While David waits to see how many unsuspecting customers will be

0:28:330:28:38

'tempted by his free Wi-Fi,

0:28:380:28:39

'he's going to meet Rip-Off Britain viewer Joey Steele, who e-mailed us

0:28:390:28:44

'because he's worried about how safe the public networks he uses are.

0:28:440:28:47

'Joey thinks he takes all the right steps to protect himself

0:28:470:28:52

'but is he right?'

0:28:520:28:54

I'm connecting to loads of different Wi-Fi hotspots and free public ones.

0:28:540:28:58

Am I putting myself at more risk using the different ones?

0:28:580:29:01

It doesn't matter whether you're connecting to a wireless network

0:29:010:29:04

that a hacker has set up or whether you're connecting to

0:29:040:29:07

a genuine network from a cafe like this, both of them are vulnerable.

0:29:070:29:11

So what makes it so unsafe?

0:29:110:29:13

You run the risk of a hacker doing the digital equivalent

0:29:130:29:17

of eavesdropping, basically.

0:29:170:29:20

'And those ever more sophisticated scammers can find plenty of ways to

0:29:210:29:25

'take advantage of even the simplest details they get hold of in this way.'

0:29:250:29:29

In the right hands, somebody can use those bits of information

0:29:290:29:33

against you as an identity theft, or an identity fraud attack.

0:29:330:29:37

'And it's not just your smartphone that's vulnerable to

0:29:390:29:42

'attacks like this, laptop computers, or tablets, are just as viable

0:29:420:29:46

'to hackers looking to get hold of your information.

0:29:460:29:49

'One simple piece of advice

0:29:490:29:51

'if you're surfing the internet using Wi-Fi is to look

0:29:510:29:54

'out for the websites whose addresses begin with the letters https.

0:29:540:30:00

'The "s" stands for secure.

0:30:000:30:03

'Banks and many shops now use them and you'll know you're safe

0:30:030:30:06

'because you'll see a little padlock sign by the address.

0:30:060:30:09

'That's just one of the tips Joey's going to keep in mind.'

0:30:090:30:12

I think that I'm going to not connect to Wi-Fi networks

0:30:140:30:18

automatically. That's probably the biggest thing

0:30:180:30:22

because if I don't know that I'm connecting to them,

0:30:220:30:25

I don't know that I'm putting myself at risk.

0:30:250:30:27

'Back inside, the fake network David set up has been

0:30:270:30:32

'running for just an hour but we have already had quite a few

0:30:320:30:35

'coffee shop customers attempting to log on.'

0:30:350:30:38

In real time right now, I'm seeing people logging on to this

0:30:380:30:42

spoof network that we've created, trying to visit web pages.

0:30:420:30:45

It's very exciting.

0:30:470:30:48

It's like watching some real drama unfold in real time.

0:30:480:30:51

'And when we approached some of the customers who had tried to

0:30:510:30:54

'log on to our network, it was clear they really weren't aware

0:30:540:30:57

'why it could be so risky.'

0:30:570:30:59

Are you aware of the fact that when you're logging onto these

0:30:590:31:04

networks, potentially, people might be able to eavesdrop, to snoop

0:31:040:31:09

in on the data that you're sending and receiving over the internet?

0:31:090:31:12

Um, marginally, I guess.

0:31:140:31:16

Although generally I only really log on in coffee shops

0:31:160:31:20

and on what I presume as being "their" networks.

0:31:200:31:23

So what will you do differently now you're a bit more

0:31:230:31:26

aware of the risks of public Wi-Fi?

0:31:260:31:29

Most likely just make sure that the network I'm connecting to

0:31:290:31:32

is in fact the network of the establishment that I'm in.

0:31:320:31:35

'Throughout the afternoon there was a steady stream of other

0:31:370:31:40

'customers falling for our fake free Wi-Fi.'

0:31:400:31:43

The experiment's finished, we've been here for four hours

0:31:430:31:46

and in that time we've had 15 different connection

0:31:460:31:49

attempts onto our fake wireless hotspot.

0:31:490:31:52

That's 15 people who potentially might be surrendering their private

0:31:520:31:56

and personal information to hackers and scammers.

0:31:560:32:00

'So is there anything more the providers of public

0:32:000:32:03

'Wi-Fi could be doing to help protect us?

0:32:030:32:06

'We contacted the top three coffee shop chains,

0:32:080:32:11

'Caffe Nero, Starbucks and Costa, to see what they do to ensure

0:32:110:32:14

'their Wi-Fi networks are secure.

0:32:140:32:17

'Caffe Nero chose not to comment.

0:32:170:32:20

'The others said that they put preventative measures in place

0:32:200:32:23

'and monitor against any risks

0:32:230:32:25

'and they reiterated David's advice to only use secure websites.

0:32:250:32:30

'Starbucks, along with BT, which provides the chain's Wi-Fi,

0:32:300:32:35

'told us by its very nature public Wi-Fi always carries

0:32:350:32:38

'a potential risk if unsecured websites are being used.

0:32:380:32:43

'They said that they have planned upgrades later this year to

0:32:430:32:46

'further improve Wi-Fi security in their outlets.

0:32:460:32:49

'Costa, with their Wi-Fi provider O2, told us that their

0:32:500:32:54

'public Wi-Fi network has a personalised welcome page

0:32:540:32:58

'when users sign in so that users can be confident

0:32:580:33:01

'they're connected to a fully monitored and secure service.

0:33:010:33:05

'But David believes that some public Wi-Fi providers could do more to

0:33:080:33:12

'warn users that their connection may not be as secure as you might think.

0:33:120:33:17

'He also feels that we ourselves should be more careful

0:33:170:33:20

'when going online, whether we're on the go or at home.'

0:33:200:33:24

If you've got an unencrypted network that you're running at home,

0:33:240:33:27

then you run the risk of hackers being able to see what you're sending

0:33:270:33:31

and receiving over the internet.

0:33:310:33:33

If I were a cybercriminal,

0:33:330:33:34

I would be able to use this data to steal money from people,

0:33:340:33:39

to perform all kinds of identity theft, identity fraud -

0:33:390:33:42

it's really serious stuff.

0:33:420:33:45

'Luckily for us, David's put together some tips on using Wi-Fi safely

0:33:450:33:49

'and you can find them on our website.'

0:33:490:33:53

Earlier in the programme we heard about the dark web,

0:34:030:34:06

the secret corners of the internet where fraudsters

0:34:060:34:09

and criminals can buy and sell stolen information and identities.

0:34:090:34:14

Now although my information appears not to be there, there are at least

0:34:140:34:17

five million people whose personal and valuable information IS.

0:34:170:34:22

In fact, no sooner had we finished filming

0:34:220:34:25

with identity theft expert Darren Innes than he called us back

0:34:250:34:28

to tell us that he believed he had intercepted

0:34:280:34:31

a potential fraud involving stolen credit card details

0:34:310:34:34

that were being used to buy very expensive goods.

0:34:340:34:38

Darren had picked up what he thought were suspicious patterns

0:34:410:34:44

of activity on one of the websites on the dark web.

0:34:440:34:48

What he'd noticed was that several different e-mail addresses

0:34:480:34:52

were being used to order goods that were apparently all being

0:34:520:34:56

delivered to one home address.

0:34:560:34:58

You don't find different individuals with the same e-mail address,

0:34:580:35:04

that's a statistical improbability,

0:35:040:35:07

so that was the immediate flag for us.

0:35:070:35:11

If you find a pattern within your data,

0:35:110:35:13

it's pretty straightforward to realise that that is

0:35:130:35:15

a criminal group who are receiving goods that they will sell on

0:35:150:35:19

to other individuals with a view to making money.

0:35:190:35:24

Darren suspected that whoever was

0:35:240:35:25

using these different e-mail addresses

0:35:250:35:27

was ordering goods using stolen credit card details,

0:35:270:35:32

and then getting them delivered to what's known as a "drop house".

0:35:320:35:36

When they take over your identity, they replace your address

0:35:370:35:41

with a particular address that they control.

0:35:410:35:44

Your goods are then delivered,

0:35:440:35:46

after goods have been paid for with your credit card,

0:35:460:35:49

to that address, and the criminal then has possession of them.

0:35:490:35:53

Normally they're typical high-value items,

0:35:530:35:55

so they could be high-value clothing, electrical goods,

0:35:550:36:00

anything that the criminal can pass on quickly

0:36:000:36:04

and make their money out of it.

0:36:040:36:07

If he's right, this kind of criminal activity is particularly hard

0:36:070:36:12

to track, as anything that is carried out on the dark web

0:36:120:36:15

leaves little or no footprint, so once the criminal has bought

0:36:150:36:19

the stolen details, they're virtually impossible to find.

0:36:190:36:23

In this case, we have no idea of telling who the actual criminal is.

0:36:230:36:27

What we can tell is, it's most likely to be

0:36:270:36:29

a gang of criminals operating out of the same address.

0:36:290:36:33

So they're getting deliveries of goods on a regular basis that

0:36:330:36:37

then they go on to sell.

0:36:370:36:39

A lot of gangs will be operating internationally,

0:36:390:36:42

so they may be sitting in a country in Africa or Eastern Europe

0:36:420:36:47

defrauding us, carrying out the technology piece of this,

0:36:470:36:50

the ordering of the goods,

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and then they will have one or two people in the UK that receive

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those goods and then either sell them on or put them

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in a container and ship them to another country.

0:36:590:37:02

To check whether Darren's intelligence was right,

0:37:030:37:06

we contacted the customer whose credit card details had been stolen.

0:37:060:37:10

They confirmed to us that they

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had also just been made aware of the fraud by their

0:37:120:37:16

credit card company, so in the nick of time, the fraud had been stopped.

0:37:160:37:19

But we wanted to know more about who lived at the address

0:37:190:37:22

to which the goods were apparently being delivered,

0:37:220:37:25

and whether they really had links with criminals using the dark web.

0:37:250:37:29

So we've come up with a ruse to try and find out.

0:37:290:37:32

We're going to send an empty parcel to the same address that was

0:37:360:37:40

being used by the spate of orders that Darren spotted.

0:37:400:37:44

But we'll address it to the name of a person

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that we know does NOT live there.

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So the question is, will whoever IS there accept it, or come clean

0:37:480:37:53

that it isn't for them?

0:37:530:37:55

Well, Darren is pretty confident about what

0:37:550:37:57

he thinks is going to happen.

0:37:570:37:58

The person will probably not even think about it and just sign

0:37:580:38:01

the goods, but when you question them, they'll most likely play dumb.

0:38:010:38:05

Is he right?

0:38:070:38:08

Well, posing as a delivery man,

0:38:080:38:10

one of our team is making up the parcel.

0:38:100:38:13

OK, what I'm about to do is write a fake name, make up a fake name,

0:38:130:38:18

write that on the box

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and then attempt to give it to the people living in the house.

0:38:210:38:26

So the fake name is now on the box

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and I'm going to attempt to deliver it.

0:38:280:38:31

Hello, mate, got a package for you.

0:38:360:38:39

-WOMAN:

-Oh, thank you.

-Yep, all right.

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So the person at the house happily accepted a parcel that was

0:38:410:38:44

not for them, but in case that was simply an honest mistake,

0:38:440:38:48

we're going to deliver a second parcel, and this time we've

0:38:480:38:51

addressed it to Julia Somerville,

0:38:510:38:53

and we know she doesn't live there.

0:38:530:38:55

So, what will whoever answers the door say when we ask if she does?

0:38:550:39:00

Hello. Got a package, does this person live here?

0:39:000:39:04

-Yeah.

-Yeah?

-Thanks.

-OK, no problem. Thank you.

0:39:040:39:09

The person who answered the door not only accepted the parcel, but also

0:39:090:39:12

falsely claimed that the addressee WAS someone who lived there.

0:39:120:39:16

We knew this wasn't true,

0:39:160:39:18

so went back to the house for an explanation.

0:39:180:39:21

-'Scuse me, hi, do you live here?

-No, I don't.

0:39:230:39:26

-Hello, we're from BBC's Rip-Off Britain, we'd like...

-No, thanks.

0:39:260:39:29

We'd like to know why you've accepted two parcels for made-up names.

0:39:290:39:35

DOG BARKS

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So we've just come back from the house,

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and the occupants didn't have too much to say for themselves.

0:39:410:39:44

They accepted two parcels with names that we clearly made up,

0:39:440:39:47

and they slammed the door on us.

0:39:470:39:52

Now, the fact that our parcels were accepted doesn't

0:39:520:39:56

actually prove any link to the fraudulent orders

0:39:560:39:58

that Darren spotted. But it is enough

0:39:580:40:00

to get his alarm bells ringing.

0:40:000:40:02

By the very nature, that they're signing for a set

0:40:020:40:04

of goods that they didn't pay for, leads on to them being suspicious.

0:40:040:40:09

And it remains the case that, for whatever reason

0:40:100:40:13

and whoever did it,

0:40:130:40:14

some of the goods delivered to this address were ordered illegally,

0:40:140:40:18

using personal details bought and sold on the dark web.

0:40:180:40:22

So Darren has advice to make sure that, the next time,

0:40:220:40:25

it's not your information being stolen and used this way.

0:40:250:40:28

The bottom line is,

0:40:280:40:30

we have to be responsible for our own personal data.

0:40:300:40:33

We have to change our password regularly,

0:40:330:40:36

we have to look at our credit file and see

0:40:360:40:39

if there's been anybody trying to access it,

0:40:390:40:42

we do need to take note of our bank account statements and see

0:40:420:40:46

if there's been activity on there that we're not aware of.

0:40:460:40:50

That is really the only way that we're going to prevent this.

0:40:500:40:54

Here at Rip-Off Britain,

0:41:010:41:02

we're always ready to investigate more of your stories,

0:41:020:41:05

and we'd especially like to hear from you

0:41:050:41:07

if you've had a problem on holiday or while travelling at home or abroad.

0:41:070:41:12

So, if you feel let down by your airline,

0:41:120:41:15

disappointed that the hotel looked very different from the

0:41:150:41:18

glossy photos in the brochure,

0:41:180:41:20

or maybe you're angry about hidden charges

0:41:200:41:22

that weren't clear when you booked...

0:41:220:41:24

..you can write to us, at...

0:41:260:41:28

Or send us an e-mail, to...

0:41:360:41:39

The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:41:410:41:46

Well, I must say,

0:41:500:41:51

I've personally learned a lot from today's programme.

0:41:510:41:53

These days, almost everything we do seems to be online,

0:41:530:41:57

but as we've seen,

0:41:570:41:58

the moment we use the internet we leave digital footprints

0:41:580:42:01

right across the web,

0:42:010:42:02

so it truly is important to take a moment to think about

0:42:020:42:05

exactly what information you're providing

0:42:050:42:08

and who you're giving it to.

0:42:080:42:09

Yes, when you've pressed that send key, you can't get it back.

0:42:090:42:13

Well, everyone we've heard from today is now a little bit more

0:42:130:42:16

sceptical about where they click and what they actually do online,

0:42:160:42:20

so fingers crossed you too will think twice about going onto

0:42:200:42:23

a site that might not be all you think it is,

0:42:230:42:26

or works a little bit differently from the way you've assumed.

0:42:260:42:29

So, before you sign up to anything,

0:42:290:42:31

don't just click OK to all of those terms and conditions,

0:42:310:42:35

make sure that you read them over before, because if things

0:42:350:42:39

go wrong, it's much more difficult to put things right afterwards.

0:42:390:42:42

And, as we saw in that last test in the cafe,

0:42:420:42:45

just think very carefully about how

0:42:450:42:47

and where you connect to the internet, particularly

0:42:470:42:50

if you're out and about, because you never know who might be watching.

0:42:500:42:53

Well, we're delighted that you chose to watch us today,

0:42:530:42:56

and we hope you'll do it again, but for today, that's it.

0:42:560:42:58

We will be back with more of your stories very soon,

0:42:580:43:01

but for now, from all of us, bye-bye.

0:43:010:43:02

-Bye-bye.

-Goodbye.

0:43:020:43:03

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