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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
and the customer service that's simply not up to scratch. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
When you have to call them, it takes ages and somebody else | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
answers the phone who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
The customer is not benefitting, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
and, no, I'm not getting value for money. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
They don't deserve to be in any form of business whatsoever, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
and they just want shutting down. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
They took the money out of my account | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
We're here to find out why you're out of pocket, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain where, today, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
we're on the trail of the scammers | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
out to get their hands on your money, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
and as we do our best to stop them in their tracks, we'll be taking | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
a closer look at some of the scams that you tell us about the most. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
They can be hard to spot but easy to fall for, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
and could leave you thousands of pounds worse off. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
And what makes some of them especially cynical | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
is the way they target people trying to sort out life's necessities, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
like finding a place to live or a job, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
so as to trick them out of money they can't afford to lose. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
But, of course, today's programme isn't just about the people | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
who've already fallen foul of the fraudsters, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
it's about arming you with everything you need to know | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
to avoid being caught out in the first place. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
So, by the end of this programme, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
you should know exactly how to spot these particular scams | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
before handing over a single penny. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Coming up, how ruthless scammers conned this woman | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
out of tens of thousands of pounds. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
I've learnt to trust nobody about anything, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
and that's a terrible thing because I always trusted everybody. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
And the fake landlords taking cash for properties they don't even own. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
I thought to myself, "I've got the key, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
"I've handed my money to someone that I can physically see, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
"what could go wrong?" | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Now, so many of the scams we feature in this programme | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
start with a phone call right out of the blue, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
and whether they're trying to talk you into an offer | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
that you apparently can't refuse | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
or claiming to be from your bank with worries about your account, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
the only way they're going to succeed | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
is if they can convince you that their story, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
however far-fetched, is 100% genuine. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Well, I'm afraid the fraudsters we're going to hear about | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
were so good at doing that | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
that their elaborate lies allowed them | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
to walk away with tens of thousands of pounds of one woman's money, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
along with a big chunk of her independence, as well. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Hi, Mrs Bell, my name's Kevin. I'm calling from your bank. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
There's been some unusual activity on your account. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
We've become wise to scammers calling up and pretending to be | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
from our banks, saying anything to convince us that they're actually | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
trying to protect our money. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Please don't worry at all. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
We can make sure that the rest of your money is safe. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
We will move it into a new account for you right now. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
So, last year, we reported how fraudsters | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
may now try a different tack, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
and when they call, they claim to be from the police. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
This guy was saying that he's a serious fraud officer | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
and they were working with the bank. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
And that same tactic was at the heart of the scam | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
that's conned 84-year-old Joyce Smith out of her life savings. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
But this time, the criminals went one further and convinced her | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
that her own banks were in on the con. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
I thought I was talking to the police and I believed them. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
And I've always considered the police trustworthy. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
Joyce normally hangs up the occasional cold call | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
that she receives, and, indeed, that's just what she did | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
when she had one in May 2016, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
little knowing that it would instantly be followed by another. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
I received a call out of the blue asking me if I had sent | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
for certain things on my computer. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
I said, "No," and put the phone down. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
But it then rang and they said they were from the fraud squad. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
This caller told Joyce that fraudsters were actually working | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
inside her local branches of Barclays and NatWest, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
and taking money from customers' accounts. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
And, of course, he wanted to keep her money | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
out of the fraudsters' hands. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
And I asked him where he was speaking from, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
and he said he belonged to the fraud squad. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
I didn't want to lose money, so I believed what he said. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
The caller then said that he needed to transfer her to a colleague | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
in perhaps the most famous police station in the country. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
He said that he was now going to pass me on to Sergeant Jackson | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
who was from Scotland Yard. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
This so-called Sergeant Jackson told Joyce the police had set up | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
safe accounts in her name, all ready to protect her money, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
but she'd need to visit her banks to make the transfers. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
They gave me these account numbers and, "Would I go to the bank | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
"and put this money into these accounts now?" | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
By that time, I was getting very worried, and he said, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
"As soon as this is over, we shall put the money back | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
"where it was before." | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Sergeant Jackson told Joyce to keep all of this secret | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
so the criminals who infiltrated the banks wouldn't find out | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
that they were being watched. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
So, convinced that she was actually helping the police catch the crooks | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
red-handed, the next morning, she got ready to go to the banks | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
as she'd been asked to do. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
They wanted to know when I left the house, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
how long I was going to be to get to the bank, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
then they could switch the cameras on at the bank and catch the people | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
who were doing all the fiddling. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
That's what they said. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Calling at her local Barclays branch first, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Joyce transferred nearly ?26,000 to the account numbers | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
that she'd been given over the phone. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
When I went to Barclays, the young boy knew me from putting money in, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:22 | |
and when I took it out, he just brought a form for me to fill in. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
Then, at NatWest, Joyce transferred another ?6,000. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
She didn't ask me any questions whatsoever, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
and it was a very large amount. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I thought the people at the bank might be the criminals | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and that's why they didn't ask me. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Of course, the fake police on the phone had given her very clear | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
instructions to make sure she didn't jeopardise their investigation. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
They said that I wasn't even to tell any family | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
because they were going to make an arrest, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and if I told, they couldn't make the arrest. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Joyce went home and, reassured that her money was safe, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
she thought nothing of going on holiday as she'd planned for months. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
While she was away, both her banks did try to get hold of her | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
to query the huge sums that she'd asked to be transferred. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
When she didn't answer their calls, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
the transfers totalling almost ?32,000 went through automatically. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
And the scammers didn't stop there. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
When Joyce came back from her holiday, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
the fraudsters were on the phone again, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
telling her that yet more of her savings were at risk. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
So, the whole scenario repeated itself and Joyce once again went | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
to her local branch of NatWest where she transferred a further ?58,000. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:47 | |
This time, there was so much money at stake, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Joyce started to question whether her money really was safe. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
I began to really worry about it, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
but I still didn't say anything to anybody. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
But overnight, Joyce became more concerned, and the next morning, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
she tracked down and called the number for the real Scotland Yard, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
and it was when she asked to speak to the Sergeant Jackson | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
she'd been dealing with that the truth was finally revealed. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
I got through to Scotland Yard | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
and asked them did they know these people? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
And they said they'd never heard of them. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Well, then I was really getting worried. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Very, very worried. But it was too late. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Joyce realised that she'd fallen victim to an intricate scam | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
and had been persuaded to transfer a total of ?90,000 | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
straight into the hands of the criminals. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Within hours, Scotland Yard sent officers from Northumbria Police | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
to her home to investigate. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Joyce's daughter Jane, meanwhile, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
had several times tried calling her mum the previous day | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
but failed to get through, not knowing, of course, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
that the fraudsters had been keeping Joyce on the phone. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
I said, "Why have I not been able to get hold of you?" | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
And she said, "I've been on the phone. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
"I can't tell you." | 0:09:05 | 0:09:06 | |
I said, "What do you mean you can't tell me?" | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
She said, "It's a secret." | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
I said, "What sort of secret? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
"I'm your daughter. You have to tell me." | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
She said, "Well, it's the police." | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
So, I went immediately over to her house | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
and there was an officer there, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
and that's when I found out all this scamming had begun. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
Jane was totally horrified to discover | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
how her mother had been conned. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
My mother, at that point, was so distraught, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
and actually still is so distraught, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
that she could not even tell us what money she had transferred. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
We took my mother to the two banks and we went through everything with | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
the police officer there, and that's where we found the full extent. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
As the scam was discussed with the banks, it became clear that staff | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
had been concerned by Joyce's unusual behaviour, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
but not enough to raise the alarm. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
When I went with the police to the bank to find out what had happened, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:05 | |
the woman teller was in tears. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
And she said to me, "I thought there was something strange, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
"but your mother is so sensible with money, I didn't like to ask." | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
And my mother also was uncommonly aggressive with her | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
because she thought she was one of the scammers. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
The police have been able to retrieve about ?13,000 | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
of Joyce's savings, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
but that means the fraudsters have pocketed ?77,000, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
and it's money that she'd carefully saved all her life. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
It was not money I could afford to lose. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
If I have to go into a home, there was money there. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
If I need a new roof, there was money there. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
And so, it was my... | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
my safeguard. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
On top of this awful financial loss, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
all of this has had a big impact on Joyce's confidence, as well. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
I'll never feel safe again. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
It's completely altered my life. Completely. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
To try and make sure that her mum doesn't fall victim to anything | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
like this again, Jane has even investigated whether she can be made | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
a counter-signatory to some of her mum's bigger spending decisions. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
But the only way to do that would be if she countersigned | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
every transaction, something she's unwilling to do. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
I can't ask my mother to do that. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
She has to be able to look after herself and have her independence, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
which she's always had. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
Detective Inspector Angela Hufton is the genuine police officer | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
who oversaw the investigation into Joyce's case. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
In cases such as this, time really is of the essence. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
The fraudsters operate extremely quickly, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
and in many cases, if not all, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
as soon as the victim has transferred the money, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
the same day, if not immediately after, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
the fraudster will withdraw the money, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
so it's often very difficult for us to recover it. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
So, to avoid things getting to that stage, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
the police's advice is simple. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
As soon as anyone who's called you out of the blue starts asking for | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
your personal details, however important they say they are, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
just hang up. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
A police officer will never, ever contact a member of the public | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
and ask them to transfer money from their bank account to another. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
We've had reported cases in Northumbria where the fraudsters | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
have contacted the victim and not only | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
purported to be a police officer, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
but have also purported to be an official from another organisation | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
such as Trading Standards. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
Because Joyce made the transfers | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
into the fraudulent accounts herself, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
neither of the banks is obliged to refund the lost money. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
When we contacted Barclays and NatWest, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
both expressed their sympathies for what had happened, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
with Barclays stressing that | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Joyce WAS questioned about the transaction, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
but the staff were satisfied with the response she gave | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
as to where the money was going and why. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
Barclays added that all their staff are trained to ask more questions | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
regarding suspicious transactions, but it's... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
NatWest reiterated that... | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Adding that if you suspect a fraud is taking place, you should... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Meanwhile, Joyce is becoming resigned to the loss of her savings, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
but the effects of this particularly nasty scam will last forever. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
I've learnt to trust nobody about anything. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
And that's a terrible thing because I always trusted everybody. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:53 | |
Now I trust nobody. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Over the last decade or so, thanks to rising property prices, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
more people than ever before have turned to renting | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
rather than owning their home. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Now, that's made the rentals market fast-moving and competitive, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
but also, I'm sorry to say, very appealing indeed | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
to unscrupulous fraudsters preying on those tenants who are desperate | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
to secure the property that they really want. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Now, we've looked into some of these rental scams before, but it does now | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
seem as though there are more of them than ever and that the people | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
behind them are very good at covering their tracks. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It's a simple but audacious scam - | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
a fraudster places an ad to rent a house or a flat that they don't own, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
perhaps even going as far as to show prospective tenants around. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
They'll promise it's yours providing you pay a cash deposit quickly. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
But when the day comes to move in, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
it turns out that someone else is already living there, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and that so-called owner has disappeared with your money. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Rental fraud like this has risen over 33% in England and Wales, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
and among those targeted are people moving to the UK from abroad | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
who may not be aware of the signs that an ad could be a fake. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Originally from Cameroon, Debra Azange moved to the UK in 2015 | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
to study advanced nursing at Luton University. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
It was quite stressful. Really stressful. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
I was really anxious about moving, coming to the UK, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
a place I've never been before. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
I didn't even know how to go to the shops to buy things. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Debra's brother Divine had been living in the UK for five years, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
so he was able to help her settle in and look for a place of her own. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
And, after searching online, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
they saw an ad for a place that looked ideal. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
This particular property was five minutes away from her university. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
Two people sharing, you know, in one flat, so it's not overcrowded. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
?300 in that area of town wasn't too bad. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
With the flat ticking all the boxes, Divine and Debra arranged a viewing. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
But as soon as they got through the front door, it was clear that | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
what they were seeing was not the flat they'd seen online. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
It did not look like what the picture said. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
The guy explained to us that this was what was available, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
he had a couple of properties, and, you know, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
we thought it was quite legit. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
The man showing them around said he must have mixed up the photos | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
of this flat with another one that he owned, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
but in any case, it was this one that he had available. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
And with other viewings booked for later that day, if Debra wanted it, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
she'd have to pay the deposit right away. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Divine lent his sister the cash and the person they thought | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
was the landlord immediately handed Debra a key, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
telling her to come back in two days' time to sign the contract | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
and move in. It all seemed to be going very smoothly. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
I thought to myself, "?200, you know, I've got the key, you know, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
"I've handed my money to someone that I can physically see, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
"what could go wrong?" | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
Sadly, quite a lot, because when Debra tried to fix an exact time | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
to sign the contract and move in, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
the man who'd claimed he was the landlord couldn't be found. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
I kept calling and the phone rang and rang and he didn't pick up. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
My brother told me not to worry about it, and I left it. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
In the evening, I called again, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
I sent a voicemail and I thought he was going to reply but he didn't. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
With no answer, Debra and Divine went to the flat | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
to see if they could find anyone there to help. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
I came and I walked to the property. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I knocked at the door and I didn't get any response. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
I tried the key and it didn't work. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Then I was like, "Am I in the wrong place?" | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
I tried to call the landlord and tried and tried, but to no avail. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
Debra and Divine never heard from the so-called landlord again. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
He ignored their further calls | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and it was clear that he'd made off with that ?200 deposit. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Although how he got access to the flat in the first place | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
remains unclear. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Divine reported what had happened to both the police and Action Fraud, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
but has had to accept that the money is lost. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
I really do feel for my sister, you know, for her first experience | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
in the UK to fall prey to that kind of scammer. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
You know, we cut our losses, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
you know, we found somewhere else and we got over it. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
You know, we moved on. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
But rental fraudsters don't just prey on unsuspecting tenants | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
to make their money. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
They can take advantage of genuine landlords, too, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
as Darian Day discovered last year. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
Wow, this is a lovely sitting room. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Lovely, big room. Nice, big window. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
Darian owns this London flat | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
and rents it out for short breaks through a property website. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
But without her knowing anything about it, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
someone else had been advertising her flat, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
offering it to rent long-term. Darian only discovered the fraud | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
when she was e-mailed out of the blue | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
by someone called Shelly who'd been talking to the fake landlord | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
about renting the flat when she moved to London from Paris. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
She got very excited about it and was trying to rent it. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
But I think, over the course of her correspondence with the "landlord", | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
she became a little worried. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
Shelly had smelt a rat when the man she was dealing with | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
wouldn't let her visit the property before paying a deposit. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
So, she got suspicious? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
She got suspicious and her boss, actually, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
in Paris said, "You can do this thing called | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
"a Google image reverse search." | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
A reverse image search means you can click on a picture | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
you see online and find any other web page that uses the same image. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
So, when Shelly searched for other photos of the flat, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
she was sent straight to Darian's own web page. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
It became very clear to her that, actually, this is a holiday let, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
not a long-term let. So, she wrote to me saying she was | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
terribly disappointed, but I guess this is not for let, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
and I said, "No, sorry." | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
But it alerted you to the fact that someone was trying to scam | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
other people, using your flat as a portal for it. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Absolutely. Absolutely. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Incensed that someone was using photos of her flat | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
to try and trick people out of money, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Darian turned detective to try and catch the fake landlord out. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
She e-mailed him posing as a prospective tenant. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
So, I wrote to him in my husband's name, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
saying that I'd seen the flat advertised and that I loved it, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
and I assured him I would be a very good tenant and treat the flat | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
as if it was my own. Which it is, of course. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
Which, of course, it is. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
'The fake landlord got back to Darian the same day, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
'explaining that the flat was available | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
'and setting out the cost of the rent and deposit. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
'Keen to reel him in, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
'Darian responded saying she was keen to secure the flat | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
'and move in as soon as possible. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
'But at this point, it became clear that, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
'before any kind of meeting in person, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
'the scammer was determined to get his cash up front.' | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
He explained that he was busy working in Inverness, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
so he couldn't actually show me the flat. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Get all the way down to London. Exactly, but then he did write | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
and say, if I was interested, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
he would be willing to fly to London. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
But before he flew to London, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
he needed to know I wasn't a time-waster, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
so I had to pay him a deposit. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
How much was that? ?2,000. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
And not only did he do that, he actually then sent me bank details. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
So, you had a link with a bank that was supposed to be taking these, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
let's be frank about this, ill-gotten gains? | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Absolutely. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
So, then, I got quite excited cos I thought, "Well, now I have him | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
"because now he's given me a bank in England." | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
I checked the sort code, I checked where the bank was, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
and, indeed, it is a bank - it's in Ilford in Essex - | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
and I spoke to them and explained the story to them, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
and they said, of course, with data protection, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
there was nothing they could do about it. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
'So, that's when Darian came to us. After hearing her story,' | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
we looked into the person claiming to own her flat, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
who called himself Curtis Owst, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
and we found the same name on ads for five other rental properties | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
in London. So, we decided to test one out, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
just as Darian had, and when Mr Owst e-mailed us back, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
we got a similar story to the one he'd sent her. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
He said he couldn't show us the flat because he was nine hours away, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
although, in fact, the place where he claimed to be is only about | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
one hour's drive from London. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
And he asked us to send an upfront deposit of ?1,000, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
transferred by Western Union. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Of course, we did no such thing and instead wrote back explaining | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
who we really were, and we've not heard anything from him since. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
But with fraudsters' tactics getting ever more convincing, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
not least by copying legitimate rental sites, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
how can you tell the difference between a genuine ad | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
and one that's a fake? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
Well, here's a man who's going to make that clear - | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Albin Serviant runs a rental site called easyroommate.com. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
He's got an entire team dedicated to weeding out scam ads, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
and every month, it stops around 2,500 fraudulent ones being posted. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
Nothing goes live without a moderation process. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
We have some tricks to spot the scammers, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
and we have 15 people who are just dedicated | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
at looking at 100% of the ads. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
There are a number of clues that an advert might be fake - | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
if it's too cheap for the area, for example, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
or it looks luxurious but comes with a tiny price tag. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
If it says nothing about your potential flatmates, again, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
approach with caution. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
And watch out for bizarre excuses. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
I don't live in the country. Sorry, there is no viewing possible. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
So, that's an alert. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Now, I think I can tell a real advert from a fake, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
but Albin's going to put that to the test. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
He's showing me four different ads, all intended for his website, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
but which ones got through? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
So, we've got one here, which is... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
There's a pretty full description of what it's like. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
"Please tell me about yourself, how long you would like to stay, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
"when you can come for a view." | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
I would think that was a genuine one, then, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
inviting you to look at it. The second one, pretty central. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Very central. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
Near a good street. They're all a bit random, these photographs, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
aren't they? Who lives there? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
One male, 18 years old, student. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Everyone welcome. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
That doesn't strike me as being too genuine. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
All right, next one. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
OK. Nice area of Islington. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Flatmates unknown. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Everyone welcome. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
All bills included. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:32 | |
Don't think so. The last one? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
And the last one, ?650 per calendar month, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
two bedroom, two bathroom. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
Flatmates unknown again. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
Everyone welcome. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
I think the first one was genuine. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
I don't think the second two were, but I'm not sure about that one. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
How did I do? Yeah, you've done very well. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Have I? Yeah, quite. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
On the second one, it's a genuine one. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Is it? It is, yes. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
This one, you know, it's close to... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Oh, close to the Queen, close to Buckingham Palace. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
And it's only ?650 a calendar month. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Exactly. I'm not sure it's in Buckingham. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
It's not in Buckingham Palace! | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Scammers targeting someone moving from abroad | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
or who doesn't know the area | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
will often make their ads more tempting by suggesting that | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
a property is near a famous landmark or desirable part of town. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
And even on the most rigorous sites, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
a tiny proportion of fake ads will still make it through. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
So, Albin has one golden rule to help you hold on to your money. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
You need to be able to view the flat, to visit the flat, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
and obviously, you don't pay a deposit, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
you don't wire the money before visiting the flat. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
That's the basic rule. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
If you're searching for a new place to rent online, do it with caution. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
As for Debra, well, even viewing the flat wasn't enough | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
to stop her from being scammed, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
but she's determined that it won't happen again. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
In the future, I'm going to be very careful. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
I'll make sure I get documentation. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:55 | |
Then I have proof of any transactions I've made with anyone. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the scam e-mails convincing enough | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
to trick any of us into handing over our cash. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
To say I felt devastated doesn't really cover it because... | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
..it was something that I had done. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
Ever year, we open up Rip-Off Britain's pop-up shop, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
a one-stop advice clinic for anyone who wants to drop in. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
Felt great, Angela. THEY LAUGH | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
Whether they've a specific dilemma they need help with... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
I've been having some problems returning my son's watch. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
..or are just after some tips | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
to make sure they're getting the best deal... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
We're really happy the BBC put this service forward to us. It's great. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
I think more people should use it. It's really good. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
It's a perfect opportunity to catch up with as many of you as we can so | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
we can make sure we're investigating the topics that affect you the most. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
Promise you'll keep watching. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
Oh, I'll keep watching. I definitely will. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
When Maya called in to see our technology whizz David McClelland, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
it was too late to put the situation right, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
but we hope her story means that | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
no-one else gets caught the same way. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
David, this is Maya, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
and Maya's got a problem with an online course that she took. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
'Maya was looking for a new job, and an online course | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
'to train as a private investigator caught her eye. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
'The company promised guaranteed work at the end of it, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
'so she was keen to find out more.' | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
I thought, "Oh, well, I will enquire." | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
And they sent me back a message which says, "Hi, Maya. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
"I have sent you an e-mail re your job offer..." | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
'The course came with a hefty ?500 price tag, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
'but after being told she could pay in instalments, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
'Maya signed up and she sailed through the modules.' | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
So, I passed the course and then they said they will send my ID. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:57 | |
'The ID was to register Maya as a private investigator, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
'her passport to the job it now appeared she was qualified to do, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
'but it didn't arrive as promised.' | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
So, I sent multiple e-mails to them, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
I rang, I left multiple voice messages. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
'But after weeks of chasing, the penny dropped.' | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
I just thought, "Oh, my God," and then I did some internet research | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
and it just became more and more dodgy. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
'Maya realised she'd been scammed and quickly called her bank | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
'to cancel the payments to the company, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
'but by this point, she was already ?300 out of pocket.' | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
I just thought, "Oh, my God," | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
because I am so trustworthy a person, I just trust people. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
'It's a story David's heard time and time again.' | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
The internet is not a place for trusting people so much anyway | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
because people will take you in, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
they will try and get your confidence and take money from you. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
'David has checked out the company himself | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
'and it's confirmed his suspicions.' | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
They started business May 2014. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Less than 18 months later, they are no longer in business any more. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
But in that short period of time, really, they've taken in | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
an awful lot of people, and you've had no work out of this. No. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
You know, what you were promised when you signed up for this... Yes. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
..hasn't been delivered. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
'Maya's reported her case to the police via Action Fraud, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
'but David's not hopeful.' | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
I can't say whether you'll get any of your money back, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
but hopefully, nobody else will lose their money as a result of this. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
Yeah, I just think it's important | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
for people to kind of realise how much scam... | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
Well, this is what this programme's about. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
It's about putting the word out. OK, thank you very much. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you, Maya. Bye. Bye-bye. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
And over our two days in Manchester, you told our experts about | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
plenty of other scams to watch out for, as well. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
Hi, Sylvia. Hello. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Hello. You seem to have had a crowd round you most of the day. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
Isn't that rewarding? | 0:29:52 | 0:29:53 | |
It is, but it's also the reassurance we give people. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
People sometimes feel stupid that they've been conned, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
and the point about fraud and scams is that you're not stupid - | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
they know what they're doing, the scammers. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
So, the reassurance when people realise they're not alone, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
and that is good, and it's lovely to talk to people face-to-face. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Meanwhile, in our gripe corner, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
keeping your details safe from scammers. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
The thing that annoys me the most is when you get the calls | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
coming through claiming that your computer is running slow. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
I hate it how the computers are not protecting us enough. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:29 | |
We always get viruses. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:30 | |
People can just connect to the bank account. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
They should protect us a bit more. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
You know full well that there's probably not a problem | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
with your computer. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
You'll find plenty of advice to help you avoid getting scammed online | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
on our website... | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
You know, it seems like only yesterday | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
that the sort of scam e-mails that were popping into our inboxes | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
were the ones purporting to be from, for instance, an African prince | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
who had a million dollars that he needed to transfer | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
into a British bank account. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
How many of us got that one? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
But the fraudsters have come a long way since then and, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
while over the years, we've certainly tried to keep you abreast | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
of their latest techniques, and also highlighted the telltale signs | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
to distinguish between a real and a fake message, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
unfortunately, those telltale signs are getting much harder to spot. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
But don't worry, because they may be full of ingenious new ideas, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
but we're not about to let the scammers win, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
so get ready for everything that you need to know to make sure that, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
however convincing their latest tactics might be, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
it won't be you that's taken in. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Now, would you be able to tell which of these e-mails is real | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
and which is fake? | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Both look the real deal, but only one is genuine. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
I'm not quite sure on that. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
No, I'm not sure at all, really. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Erm, is that one fake? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
But as scam e-mails become more convincing than ever, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
you may not instantly be able to tell if something is not right, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
and if you fall for one that turns out to be fake, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
it could start a chain of events | 0:32:09 | 0:32:10 | |
that ends up costing you a lot of money, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
as, unfortunately, was the case for record label manager Sarah Fisher | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
and her husband David. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
I have a busy job, I manage lots of budgets, money, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
hundreds of e-mails a day. You know, I have to stay on top of things. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
The couple were adding a major extension | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
to their North London home, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
and had agreed to pay the builder in instalments. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
We knew it was a big building job, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
so we made arrangements to move out for eight months and we had | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
a schedule of works and a finance plan through that with our builders. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
The build began in July 2015, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
and the builder's accountant e-mailed them an invoice | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
every four to six weeks, which they promptly paid. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
But when October's invoice arrived, totalling nearly ?27,500, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
Sarah was tied up at work, so it sat in her inbox for a few days. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
When she got round to paying it the following weekend, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
she noticed another e-mail from the firm's accountant, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
advising her that the company's bank details had changed | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
and asking her to make this latest payment into a new account. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
Nothing seemed out of the ordinary about the e-mail at all. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
The e-mail signatures were exactly correct and in the right place, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
the conversational tone was very familiar to us. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
It read and felt exactly like an e-mail | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
we were used to seeing from her. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
Sarah transferred ?25,000 - the most her bank would allow in one day. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:38 | |
But a few days later, before she'd had a chance to pay the rest, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
she was surprised to see that the builder's accountant | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
had e-mailed again, chasing the full ?27,500. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
My head was just saying, "No, no, no, this isn't right. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
"It can't be right." | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
Sarah immediately rang to explain she'd already paid ?25,000 | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
and the balance would be transferred later that day | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
to the company's new account. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
But when the accountant told her there was no new account, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
the penny dropped - | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
she'd been scammed into paying the money to someone else. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
My mind was going out of control. I thought, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
"I've got to solve this so I can work it out and just get | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
"my money back and get on with my life." I just needed to fix it. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
The couple first called their bank, then the bank into which | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
the money had been paid, and finally, the police. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Like her, all were initially baffled because the e-mail that | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
she'd received with the new bank details did seem genuine, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
and identical to the accountant's other e-mails. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
But finally, one tiny difference was spotted between them - | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
the second e-mail address was missing one "s". | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
It actually took 24 hours for anyone to even notice that, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
so for that period of 24 hours, it didn't look like fraud. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
It seems that somehow fraudsters had been able to hack into the e-mails | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
of either Sarah or the building company, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
and they'd then set up a very similar e-mail address | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
so that Sarah didn't notice that anything was amiss | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
when she received the fatal message with those new bank details. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
But by the time the truth became clear, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
the couple's ?25,000 had already left the fraudster's account. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
To say I felt devastated doesn't really cover it because... | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
..it's something that I had done. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
It wasn't that someone had just come into our bank account | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
and taken money. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
I'd been party to transferring this cash. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
I hadn't checked. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
I hadn't called the building company to make sure they had changed | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
their bank account details. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Unable to get any of their money back, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Sarah and David have been left ?25,000 out of pocket, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
and their unfinished extension is a constant reminder | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
of one simple but understandable mistake. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
It doesn't take a genius to be able to lay some logos on an e-mail | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
in a particular way. It doesn't take a genius | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
to adopt somebody's conversational tone. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
Now I see how simple it is to do it, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
I actually don't think it's that complex a crime. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
It was actually very, very simple. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
You know, if someone has access to your communication, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
they can learn a lot very quickly. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
As Sarah discovered, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
those once blindingly obvious fake e-mails can, these days, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
be almost impossible to distinguish from the real thing, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
which, of course, is what the criminals behind them rely on | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
to get the money they're set on stealing from their victims. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
Indeed, so plausible have they become that even | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
the savviest among us, with years of experience of spotting a scam, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
may well be fooled. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
It very nearly happened to our own personal finance expert, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
Sarah Pennells. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:48 | |
You also have been very nearly caught out, haven't you? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
I have. I was actually writing an article about financial fraud | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
and I was talking to a fraud expert, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
and about 40 minutes before I spoke to him, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
I had an e-mail from one of the social media networking accounts | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
I have, asking me to reset my password. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
And, again, I almost clicked on it because it looked so genuine. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
It had addressed me personally and it looked official, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
and I came really, really close, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
and at the last minute, I didn't click on it, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
and when I spoke to this chap a bit later on, he told me he'd sent it. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
He'd been trying to catch you out? | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
Yeah. And he said he was doing no more or no less | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
than a fraudster would do. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
If I came that close to clicking on an e-mail, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
which would have asked for my personal details, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
then, frankly, what about other people who are online less | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
and maybe not quite as cynical as me? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Now, in the past, we've always recommended that checking | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
the sender's address is a good way to see if an e-mail has really come | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
from whoever appears to be sending it. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
But even that's no longer foolproof. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Sarah's recently had some suspicious e-mails that pass that test, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
like this one, which you really would think | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
came from a well-known bank. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
If you sort of hover over the e-mail address, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
so you can check where it's coming from, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
it's actually got an address that looks like it could be plausible. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
It just demonstrates yet again how very cautious we all have to be. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
I think that's absolutely right. These e-mails are so sophisticated | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
and they can seem to come from companies that you do have | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
a genuine relationship with. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
They can know stuff about you - they may know your name, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
they may include your address, but that is not enough. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
That shouldn't convince you that it's from the company. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
In 2015, Action Fraud received 8,000 reports | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
of so-called phishing e-mails like this every month, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
many of them from people who'd fallen for the scam | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
behind the phony message. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
So, while we all know to be on our guard, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
as digital forensic specialist Keith Cottenden knows, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
that's not as simple as it used to be. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
The traditional phishing e-mail scam was always, back in the day, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
easy to spot. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
English was usually appalling, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
it was full of spelling and grammatical errors, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
and quite obviously, just by its design, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
a phishing e-mail trying to get details - | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
valuable details - about the user. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
But they have become more sophisticated. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Even so, Keith believes the telltale signs that an e-mail | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
shouldn't be trusted are still there. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
So, to find out if people know what to look for, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
he's showing some real and fake e-mails to shoppers in Manchester, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
and we'll see if they can tell which is which. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
I think I'd say that was genuine. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Sorry, you think...? That one. That one's genuine? | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
I think I'd go for that one. You think that one. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
So, we've got a difference of opinion. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
OK, well, only one of them is genuine | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
and I can tell you it's that one that's the genuine one. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
In this type of e-mail, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
it would never be addressed so generically like that. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
Out of the two, I think that's more genuine than that one. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
OK, and can I ask why you think that? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Well, only because, "Confirm your account information | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
"within one hours". That tends to put me off | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
that somebody would want the information within one hour. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Yeah, absolutely. Spot-on. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Can I ask you why you chose that one? | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
This just sounds quite informal, whereas the other one's... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
It just sounds more professional, I suppose. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
Yes, that is the fake e-mail message, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
and they're absolutely correct reasons. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
The shoppers that Keith spoke to clearly had their eye on the ball, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
as 10 out of 12 got it right. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
You're quite correct, this is a fake e-mail. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
But they had been told that some of these were not genuine, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
so they were already on the lookout for signs, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
which Keith says just is not the way that most of us will typically | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
approach our e-mails. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
So, the best way to avoid being caught out is to check any request | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
for money, especially to an account that you haven't used before. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Query anything that is asking for payment by e-mail. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
E-mail is not secure, yeah? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
And even if you use a secure e-mail, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
it doesn't mean that the supplier is using a secure e-mail. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
So, conduct financial transactions by other means. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
Of course, Sarah wishes that she'd made a call to check the message | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
that she received, but with her money gone for good, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
she'll never take any e-mail she receives at face value again. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
The bottom line of it is that ?25,000 is gone. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
It makes me very angry. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page - | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
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our website - that's bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
or, if you'd like to send us an e-mail, our address is... | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
And, of course, you can send a letter to our postal address... | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
You know, very often in this series, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
someone who features in one of our films | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
will at least get some of the money back | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
or have their situation resolved. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
But one of the reasons why we all hate these scams so much is that, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
most of the time, the people caught out by them will never, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
ever see a penny of their cash ever again. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Which makes it all the more important | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
that the rest of us keep our guard up | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
and learn from what happened in such situations | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
so that we don't come a cropper in the same way. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
And it's why we're so grateful to all the people who are prepared | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
to share their experiences with us. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
Absolutely, because we may not be able to get their money back | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
from the scammers, but what we can do | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
is make sure that some good comes out of their stories, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
so that you can be sure that we will always be keeping an eye | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
on the very latest scams, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
and telling you about them as soon as we possibly can. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
For now, though, I'm afraid we've just run out of time, but as always, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
thanks for joining us and, until the next time, bye-bye. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Bye. Bye. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 |