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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off,

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that's simply not up to scratch.

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When you have to call them, it takes ages and somebody else

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answers the phone who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying.

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The customer is not benefitting,

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and, no, I'm not getting value for money.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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They don't deserve to be in any form of business whatsoever,

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and they just want shutting down.

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And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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They took the money out of my account

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and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me.

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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We're here to find out why you're out of pocket,

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain where, today,

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we're on the trail of the scammers

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out to get their hands on your money,

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and as we do our best to stop them in their tracks, we'll be taking

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a closer look at some of the scams that you tell us about the most.

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They can be hard to spot but easy to fall for,

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and could leave you thousands of pounds worse off.

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And what makes some of them especially cynical

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is the way they target people trying to sort out life's necessities,

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like finding a place to live or a job,

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so as to trick them out of money they can't afford to lose.

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But, of course, today's programme isn't just about the people

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who've already fallen foul of the fraudsters,

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it's about arming you with everything you need to know

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to avoid being caught out in the first place.

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So, by the end of this programme,

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you should know exactly how to spot these particular scams

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before handing over a single penny.

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Coming up, how ruthless scammers conned this woman

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out of tens of thousands of pounds.

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I've learnt to trust nobody about anything,

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and that's a terrible thing because I always trusted everybody.

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And the fake landlords taking cash for properties they don't even own.

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I thought to myself, "I've got the key,

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"I've handed my money to someone that I can physically see,

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"what could go wrong?"

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Now, so many of the scams we feature in this programme

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start with a phone call right out of the blue,

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and whether they're trying to talk you into an offer

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that you apparently can't refuse

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or claiming to be from your bank with worries about your account,

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the only way they're going to succeed

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is if they can convince you that their story,

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however far-fetched, is 100% genuine.

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Well, I'm afraid the fraudsters we're going to hear about

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were so good at doing that

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that their elaborate lies allowed them

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to walk away with tens of thousands of pounds of one woman's money,

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along with a big chunk of her independence, as well.

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PHONE RINGS

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Hi, Mrs Bell, my name's Kevin. I'm calling from your bank.

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There's been some unusual activity on your account.

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We've become wise to scammers calling up and pretending to be

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from our banks, saying anything to convince us that they're actually

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trying to protect our money.

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Please don't worry at all.

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We can make sure that the rest of your money is safe.

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We will move it into a new account for you right now.

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So, last year, we reported how fraudsters

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may now try a different tack,

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and when they call, they claim to be from the police.

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This guy was saying that he's a serious fraud officer

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and they were working with the bank.

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And that same tactic was at the heart of the scam

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that's conned 84-year-old Joyce Smith out of her life savings.

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But this time, the criminals went one further and convinced her

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that her own banks were in on the con.

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I thought I was talking to the police and I believed them.

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And I've always considered the police trustworthy.

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Joyce normally hangs up the occasional cold call

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that she receives, and, indeed, that's just what she did

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when she had one in May 2016,

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little knowing that it would instantly be followed by another.

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I received a call out of the blue asking me if I had sent

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for certain things on my computer.

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I said, "No," and put the phone down.

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But it then rang and they said they were from the fraud squad.

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This caller told Joyce that fraudsters were actually working

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inside her local branches of Barclays and NatWest,

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and taking money from customers' accounts.

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And, of course, he wanted to keep her money

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out of the fraudsters' hands.

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And I asked him where he was speaking from,

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and he said he belonged to the fraud squad.

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I didn't want to lose money, so I believed what he said.

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The caller then said that he needed to transfer her to a colleague

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in perhaps the most famous police station in the country.

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He said that he was now going to pass me on to Sergeant Jackson

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who was from Scotland Yard.

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This so-called Sergeant Jackson told Joyce the police had set up

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safe accounts in her name, all ready to protect her money,

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but she'd need to visit her banks to make the transfers.

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They gave me these account numbers and, "Would I go to the bank

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"and put this money into these accounts now?"

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By that time, I was getting very worried, and he said,

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"As soon as this is over, we shall put the money back

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"where it was before."

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Sergeant Jackson told Joyce to keep all of this secret

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so the criminals who infiltrated the banks wouldn't find out

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that they were being watched.

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So, convinced that she was actually helping the police catch the crooks

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red-handed, the next morning, she got ready to go to the banks

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as she'd been asked to do.

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They wanted to know when I left the house,

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how long I was going to be to get to the bank,

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then they could switch the cameras on at the bank and catch the people

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who were doing all the fiddling.

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That's what they said.

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Calling at her local Barclays branch first,

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Joyce transferred nearly ?26,000 to the account numbers

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that she'd been given over the phone.

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When I went to Barclays, the young boy knew me from putting money in,

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and when I took it out, he just brought a form for me to fill in.

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Then, at NatWest, Joyce transferred another ?6,000.

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She didn't ask me any questions whatsoever,

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and it was a very large amount.

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I thought the people at the bank might be the criminals

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and that's why they didn't ask me.

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Of course, the fake police on the phone had given her very clear

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instructions to make sure she didn't jeopardise their investigation.

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They said that I wasn't even to tell any family

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because they were going to make an arrest,

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and if I told, they couldn't make the arrest.

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Joyce went home and, reassured that her money was safe,

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she thought nothing of going on holiday as she'd planned for months.

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While she was away, both her banks did try to get hold of her

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to query the huge sums that she'd asked to be transferred.

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When she didn't answer their calls,

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the transfers totalling almost ?32,000 went through automatically.

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And the scammers didn't stop there.

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When Joyce came back from her holiday,

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the fraudsters were on the phone again,

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telling her that yet more of her savings were at risk.

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So, the whole scenario repeated itself and Joyce once again went

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to her local branch of NatWest where she transferred a further ?58,000.

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This time, there was so much money at stake,

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Joyce started to question whether her money really was safe.

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I began to really worry about it,

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but I still didn't say anything to anybody.

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But overnight, Joyce became more concerned, and the next morning,

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she tracked down and called the number for the real Scotland Yard,

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and it was when she asked to speak to the Sergeant Jackson

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she'd been dealing with that the truth was finally revealed.

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I got through to Scotland Yard

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and asked them did they know these people?

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And they said they'd never heard of them.

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Well, then I was really getting worried.

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Very, very worried. But it was too late.

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Joyce realised that she'd fallen victim to an intricate scam

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and had been persuaded to transfer a total of ?90,000

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straight into the hands of the criminals.

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Within hours, Scotland Yard sent officers from Northumbria Police

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to her home to investigate.

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Joyce's daughter Jane, meanwhile,

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had several times tried calling her mum the previous day

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but failed to get through, not knowing, of course,

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that the fraudsters had been keeping Joyce on the phone.

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I said, "Why have I not been able to get hold of you?"

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And she said, "I've been on the phone.

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"I can't tell you."

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I said, "What do you mean you can't tell me?"

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She said, "It's a secret."

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I said, "What sort of secret?

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"I'm your daughter. You have to tell me."

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She said, "Well, it's the police."

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So, I went immediately over to her house

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and there was an officer there,

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and that's when I found out all this scamming had begun.

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Jane was totally horrified to discover

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how her mother had been conned.

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My mother, at that point, was so distraught,

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and actually still is so distraught,

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that she could not even tell us what money she had transferred.

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We took my mother to the two banks and we went through everything with

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the police officer there, and that's where we found the full extent.

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As the scam was discussed with the banks, it became clear that staff

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had been concerned by Joyce's unusual behaviour,

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but not enough to raise the alarm.

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When I went with the police to the bank to find out what had happened,

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the woman teller was in tears.

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And she said to me, "I thought there was something strange,

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"but your mother is so sensible with money, I didn't like to ask."

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And my mother also was uncommonly aggressive with her

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because she thought she was one of the scammers.

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The police have been able to retrieve about ?13,000

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of Joyce's savings,

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but that means the fraudsters have pocketed ?77,000,

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and it's money that she'd carefully saved all her life.

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It was not money I could afford to lose.

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If I have to go into a home, there was money there.

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If I need a new roof, there was money there.

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And so, it was my...

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my safeguard.

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On top of this awful financial loss,

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all of this has had a big impact on Joyce's confidence, as well.

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I'll never feel safe again.

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It's completely altered my life. Completely.

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To try and make sure that her mum doesn't fall victim to anything

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like this again, Jane has even investigated whether she can be made

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a counter-signatory to some of her mum's bigger spending decisions.

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But the only way to do that would be if she countersigned

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every transaction, something she's unwilling to do.

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I can't ask my mother to do that.

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She has to be able to look after herself and have her independence,

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which she's always had.

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Detective Inspector Angela Hufton is the genuine police officer

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who oversaw the investigation into Joyce's case.

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In cases such as this, time really is of the essence.

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The fraudsters operate extremely quickly,

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and in many cases, if not all,

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as soon as the victim has transferred the money,

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the same day, if not immediately after,

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the fraudster will withdraw the money,

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so it's often very difficult for us to recover it.

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So, to avoid things getting to that stage,

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the police's advice is simple.

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As soon as anyone who's called you out of the blue starts asking for

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your personal details, however important they say they are,

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just hang up.

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A police officer will never, ever contact a member of the public

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and ask them to transfer money from their bank account to another.

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We've had reported cases in Northumbria where the fraudsters

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have contacted the victim and not only

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purported to be a police officer,

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but have also purported to be an official from another organisation

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such as Trading Standards.

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Because Joyce made the transfers

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into the fraudulent accounts herself,

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neither of the banks is obliged to refund the lost money.

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When we contacted Barclays and NatWest,

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both expressed their sympathies for what had happened,

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with Barclays stressing that

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Joyce WAS questioned about the transaction,

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but the staff were satisfied with the response she gave

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as to where the money was going and why.

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Barclays added that all their staff are trained to ask more questions

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regarding suspicious transactions, but it's...

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NatWest reiterated that...

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Adding that if you suspect a fraud is taking place, you should...

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Meanwhile, Joyce is becoming resigned to the loss of her savings,

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but the effects of this particularly nasty scam will last forever.

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I've learnt to trust nobody about anything.

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And that's a terrible thing because I always trusted everybody.

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Now I trust nobody.

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Over the last decade or so, thanks to rising property prices,

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more people than ever before have turned to renting

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rather than owning their home.

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Now, that's made the rentals market fast-moving and competitive,

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but also, I'm sorry to say, very appealing indeed

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to unscrupulous fraudsters preying on those tenants who are desperate

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to secure the property that they really want.

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Now, we've looked into some of these rental scams before, but it does now

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seem as though there are more of them than ever and that the people

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behind them are very good at covering their tracks.

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It's a simple but audacious scam -

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a fraudster places an ad to rent a house or a flat that they don't own,

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perhaps even going as far as to show prospective tenants around.

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They'll promise it's yours providing you pay a cash deposit quickly.

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But when the day comes to move in,

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it turns out that someone else is already living there,

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and that so-called owner has disappeared with your money.

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Rental fraud like this has risen over 33% in England and Wales,

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and among those targeted are people moving to the UK from abroad

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who may not be aware of the signs that an ad could be a fake.

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Originally from Cameroon, Debra Azange moved to the UK in 2015

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to study advanced nursing at Luton University.

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It was quite stressful. Really stressful.

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I was really anxious about moving, coming to the UK,

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a place I've never been before.

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I didn't even know how to go to the shops to buy things.

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Debra's brother Divine had been living in the UK for five years,

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so he was able to help her settle in and look for a place of her own.

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And, after searching online,

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they saw an ad for a place that looked ideal.

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This particular property was five minutes away from her university.

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Two people sharing, you know, in one flat, so it's not overcrowded.

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?300 in that area of town wasn't too bad.

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With the flat ticking all the boxes, Divine and Debra arranged a viewing.

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But as soon as they got through the front door, it was clear that

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what they were seeing was not the flat they'd seen online.

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It did not look like what the picture said.

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The guy explained to us that this was what was available,

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he had a couple of properties, and, you know,

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we thought it was quite legit.

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The man showing them around said he must have mixed up the photos

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of this flat with another one that he owned,

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but in any case, it was this one that he had available.

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And with other viewings booked for later that day, if Debra wanted it,

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she'd have to pay the deposit right away.

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Divine lent his sister the cash and the person they thought

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was the landlord immediately handed Debra a key,

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telling her to come back in two days' time to sign the contract

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and move in. It all seemed to be going very smoothly.

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I thought to myself, "?200, you know, I've got the key, you know,

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"I've handed my money to someone that I can physically see,

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"what could go wrong?"

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Sadly, quite a lot, because when Debra tried to fix an exact time

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to sign the contract and move in,

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the man who'd claimed he was the landlord couldn't be found.

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I kept calling and the phone rang and rang and he didn't pick up.

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My brother told me not to worry about it, and I left it.

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In the evening, I called again,

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I sent a voicemail and I thought he was going to reply but he didn't.

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With no answer, Debra and Divine went to the flat

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to see if they could find anyone there to help.

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I came and I walked to the property.

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I knocked at the door and I didn't get any response.

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I tried the key and it didn't work.

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Then I was like, "Am I in the wrong place?"

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I tried to call the landlord and tried and tried, but to no avail.

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Debra and Divine never heard from the so-called landlord again.

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He ignored their further calls

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and it was clear that he'd made off with that ?200 deposit.

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Although how he got access to the flat in the first place

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remains unclear.

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Divine reported what had happened to both the police and Action Fraud,

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but has had to accept that the money is lost.

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I really do feel for my sister, you know, for her first experience

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in the UK to fall prey to that kind of scammer.

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You know, we cut our losses,

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you know, we found somewhere else and we got over it.

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You know, we moved on.

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But rental fraudsters don't just prey on unsuspecting tenants

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to make their money.

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They can take advantage of genuine landlords, too,

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as Darian Day discovered last year.

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Wow, this is a lovely sitting room.

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Lovely, big room. Nice, big window.

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Darian owns this London flat

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and rents it out for short breaks through a property website.

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But without her knowing anything about it,

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someone else had been advertising her flat,

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offering it to rent long-term. Darian only discovered the fraud

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when she was e-mailed out of the blue

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by someone called Shelly who'd been talking to the fake landlord

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about renting the flat when she moved to London from Paris.

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She got very excited about it and was trying to rent it.

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But I think, over the course of her correspondence with the "landlord",

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she became a little worried.

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Shelly had smelt a rat when the man she was dealing with

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wouldn't let her visit the property before paying a deposit.

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So, she got suspicious?

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She got suspicious and her boss, actually,

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in Paris said, "You can do this thing called

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"a Google image reverse search."

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A reverse image search means you can click on a picture

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you see online and find any other web page that uses the same image.

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So, when Shelly searched for other photos of the flat,

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she was sent straight to Darian's own web page.

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It became very clear to her that, actually, this is a holiday let,

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not a long-term let. So, she wrote to me saying she was

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terribly disappointed, but I guess this is not for let,

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and I said, "No, sorry."

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But it alerted you to the fact that someone was trying to scam

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other people, using your flat as a portal for it.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Incensed that someone was using photos of her flat

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to try and trick people out of money,

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Darian turned detective to try and catch the fake landlord out.

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She e-mailed him posing as a prospective tenant.

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So, I wrote to him in my husband's name,

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saying that I'd seen the flat advertised and that I loved it,

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and I assured him I would be a very good tenant and treat the flat

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as if it was my own. Which it is, of course.

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Which, of course, it is.

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'The fake landlord got back to Darian the same day,

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'explaining that the flat was available

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'and setting out the cost of the rent and deposit.

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'Keen to reel him in,

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'Darian responded saying she was keen to secure the flat

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'and move in as soon as possible.

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'But at this point, it became clear that,

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'before any kind of meeting in person,

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'the scammer was determined to get his cash up front.'

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He explained that he was busy working in Inverness,

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so he couldn't actually show me the flat.

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Get all the way down to London. Exactly, but then he did write

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and say, if I was interested,

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he would be willing to fly to London.

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But before he flew to London,

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he needed to know I wasn't a time-waster,

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so I had to pay him a deposit.

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How much was that? ?2,000.

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And not only did he do that, he actually then sent me bank details.

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So, you had a link with a bank that was supposed to be taking these,

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let's be frank about this, ill-gotten gains?

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Absolutely.

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So, then, I got quite excited cos I thought, "Well, now I have him

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"because now he's given me a bank in England."

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I checked the sort code, I checked where the bank was,

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and, indeed, it is a bank - it's in Ilford in Essex -

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and I spoke to them and explained the story to them,

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and they said, of course, with data protection,

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there was nothing they could do about it.

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'So, that's when Darian came to us. After hearing her story,'

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we looked into the person claiming to own her flat,

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who called himself Curtis Owst,

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and we found the same name on ads for five other rental properties

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in London. So, we decided to test one out,

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just as Darian had, and when Mr Owst e-mailed us back,

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we got a similar story to the one he'd sent her.

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He said he couldn't show us the flat because he was nine hours away,

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although, in fact, the place where he claimed to be is only about

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one hour's drive from London.

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And he asked us to send an upfront deposit of ?1,000,

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transferred by Western Union.

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Of course, we did no such thing and instead wrote back explaining

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who we really were, and we've not heard anything from him since.

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But with fraudsters' tactics getting ever more convincing,

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not least by copying legitimate rental sites,

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how can you tell the difference between a genuine ad

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and one that's a fake?

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Well, here's a man who's going to make that clear -

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Albin Serviant runs a rental site called easyroommate.com.

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He's got an entire team dedicated to weeding out scam ads,

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and every month, it stops around 2,500 fraudulent ones being posted.

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Nothing goes live without a moderation process.

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We have some tricks to spot the scammers,

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and we have 15 people who are just dedicated

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at looking at 100% of the ads.

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There are a number of clues that an advert might be fake -

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if it's too cheap for the area, for example,

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or it looks luxurious but comes with a tiny price tag.

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If it says nothing about your potential flatmates, again,

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approach with caution.

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And watch out for bizarre excuses.

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I don't live in the country. Sorry, there is no viewing possible.

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So, that's an alert.

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Now, I think I can tell a real advert from a fake,

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but Albin's going to put that to the test.

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He's showing me four different ads, all intended for his website,

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but which ones got through?

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So, we've got one here, which is...

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There's a pretty full description of what it's like.

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"Please tell me about yourself, how long you would like to stay,

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"when you can come for a view."

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I would think that was a genuine one, then,

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inviting you to look at it. The second one, pretty central.

0:24:060:24:09

Very central.

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Near a good street. They're all a bit random, these photographs,

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aren't they? Who lives there?

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One male, 18 years old, student.

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Everyone welcome.

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That doesn't strike me as being too genuine.

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All right, next one.

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OK. Nice area of Islington.

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Flatmates unknown.

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Everyone welcome.

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All bills included.

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Don't think so. The last one?

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And the last one, ?650 per calendar month,

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two bedroom, two bathroom.

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Flatmates unknown again.

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Everyone welcome.

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I think the first one was genuine.

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I don't think the second two were, but I'm not sure about that one.

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How did I do? Yeah, you've done very well.

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Have I? Yeah, quite.

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On the second one, it's a genuine one.

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Is it? It is, yes.

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This one, you know, it's close to...

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Oh, close to the Queen, close to Buckingham Palace.

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And it's only ?650 a calendar month.

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Exactly. I'm not sure it's in Buckingham.

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It's not in Buckingham Palace!

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Scammers targeting someone moving from abroad

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or who doesn't know the area

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will often make their ads more tempting by suggesting that

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a property is near a famous landmark or desirable part of town.

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And even on the most rigorous sites,

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a tiny proportion of fake ads will still make it through.

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So, Albin has one golden rule to help you hold on to your money.

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You need to be able to view the flat, to visit the flat,

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and obviously, you don't pay a deposit,

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you don't wire the money before visiting the flat.

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That's the basic rule.

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If you're searching for a new place to rent online, do it with caution.

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As for Debra, well, even viewing the flat wasn't enough

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to stop her from being scammed,

0:25:460:25:48

but she's determined that it won't happen again.

0:25:480:25:52

In the future, I'm going to be very careful.

0:25:520:25:54

I'll make sure I get documentation.

0:25:540:25:55

Then I have proof of any transactions I've made with anyone.

0:25:550:26:00

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the scam e-mails convincing enough

0:26:050:26:09

to trick any of us into handing over our cash.

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To say I felt devastated doesn't really cover it because...

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..it was something that I had done.

0:26:170:26:19

Ever year, we open up Rip-Off Britain's pop-up shop,

0:26:230:26:27

a one-stop advice clinic for anyone who wants to drop in.

0:26:270:26:32

Felt great, Angela. THEY LAUGH

0:26:320:26:34

Whether they've a specific dilemma they need help with...

0:26:340:26:37

I've been having some problems returning my son's watch.

0:26:370:26:40

..or are just after some tips

0:26:400:26:41

to make sure they're getting the best deal...

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We're really happy the BBC put this service forward to us. It's great.

0:26:440:26:47

I think more people should use it. It's really good.

0:26:470:26:50

It's a perfect opportunity to catch up with as many of you as we can so

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we can make sure we're investigating the topics that affect you the most.

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Promise you'll keep watching.

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Oh, I'll keep watching. I definitely will.

0:27:010:27:03

When Maya called in to see our technology whizz David McClelland,

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it was too late to put the situation right,

0:27:090:27:11

but we hope her story means that

0:27:110:27:13

no-one else gets caught the same way.

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David, this is Maya,

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and Maya's got a problem with an online course that she took.

0:27:180:27:21

'Maya was looking for a new job, and an online course

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'to train as a private investigator caught her eye.

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'The company promised guaranteed work at the end of it,

0:27:270:27:29

'so she was keen to find out more.'

0:27:290:27:31

I thought, "Oh, well, I will enquire."

0:27:310:27:35

And they sent me back a message which says, "Hi, Maya.

0:27:350:27:38

"I have sent you an e-mail re your job offer..."

0:27:380:27:41

'The course came with a hefty ?500 price tag,

0:27:410:27:45

'but after being told she could pay in instalments,

0:27:450:27:47

'Maya signed up and she sailed through the modules.'

0:27:470:27:51

So, I passed the course and then they said they will send my ID.

0:27:510:27:57

'The ID was to register Maya as a private investigator,

0:27:570:28:01

'her passport to the job it now appeared she was qualified to do,

0:28:010:28:04

'but it didn't arrive as promised.'

0:28:040:28:07

So, I sent multiple e-mails to them,

0:28:070:28:10

I rang, I left multiple voice messages.

0:28:100:28:13

'But after weeks of chasing, the penny dropped.'

0:28:130:28:16

I just thought, "Oh, my God," and then I did some internet research

0:28:160:28:20

and it just became more and more dodgy.

0:28:200:28:23

'Maya realised she'd been scammed and quickly called her bank

0:28:230:28:26

'to cancel the payments to the company,

0:28:260:28:28

'but by this point, she was already ?300 out of pocket.'

0:28:280:28:32

I just thought, "Oh, my God,"

0:28:320:28:34

because I am so trustworthy a person, I just trust people.

0:28:340:28:38

'It's a story David's heard time and time again.'

0:28:380:28:41

The internet is not a place for trusting people so much anyway

0:28:410:28:45

because people will take you in,

0:28:450:28:47

they will try and get your confidence and take money from you.

0:28:470:28:51

'David has checked out the company himself

0:28:510:28:53

'and it's confirmed his suspicions.'

0:28:530:28:56

They started business May 2014.

0:28:560:28:58

Less than 18 months later, they are no longer in business any more.

0:28:580:29:02

But in that short period of time, really, they've taken in

0:29:020:29:06

an awful lot of people, and you've had no work out of this. No.

0:29:060:29:09

You know, what you were promised when you signed up for this... Yes.

0:29:090:29:13

..hasn't been delivered.

0:29:130:29:15

'Maya's reported her case to the police via Action Fraud,

0:29:150:29:18

'but David's not hopeful.'

0:29:180:29:20

I can't say whether you'll get any of your money back,

0:29:200:29:23

but hopefully, nobody else will lose their money as a result of this.

0:29:230:29:28

Yeah, I just think it's important

0:29:280:29:29

for people to kind of realise how much scam...

0:29:290:29:33

Well, this is what this programme's about.

0:29:330:29:35

It's about putting the word out. OK, thank you very much.

0:29:350:29:39

Thank you very much. Thank you, Maya. Bye. Bye-bye.

0:29:390:29:41

And over our two days in Manchester, you told our experts about

0:29:410:29:45

plenty of other scams to watch out for, as well.

0:29:450:29:47

Hi, Sylvia. Hello.

0:29:470:29:49

Hello. You seem to have had a crowd round you most of the day.

0:29:490:29:52

Isn't that rewarding?

0:29:520:29:53

It is, but it's also the reassurance we give people.

0:29:530:29:55

People sometimes feel stupid that they've been conned,

0:29:550:29:58

and the point about fraud and scams is that you're not stupid -

0:29:580:30:01

they know what they're doing, the scammers.

0:30:010:30:03

So, the reassurance when people realise they're not alone,

0:30:030:30:06

and that is good, and it's lovely to talk to people face-to-face.

0:30:060:30:10

Meanwhile, in our gripe corner,

0:30:100:30:12

keeping your details safe from scammers.

0:30:120:30:14

The thing that annoys me the most is when you get the calls

0:30:160:30:19

coming through claiming that your computer is running slow.

0:30:190:30:23

I hate it how the computers are not protecting us enough.

0:30:230:30:29

We always get viruses.

0:30:290:30:30

People can just connect to the bank account.

0:30:300:30:34

They should protect us a bit more.

0:30:340:30:36

You know full well that there's probably not a problem

0:30:360:30:38

with your computer.

0:30:380:30:40

You'll find plenty of advice to help you avoid getting scammed online

0:30:400:30:43

on our website...

0:30:430:30:45

You know, it seems like only yesterday

0:30:510:30:53

that the sort of scam e-mails that were popping into our inboxes

0:30:530:30:57

were the ones purporting to be from, for instance, an African prince

0:30:570:31:00

who had a million dollars that he needed to transfer

0:31:000:31:03

into a British bank account.

0:31:030:31:05

How many of us got that one?

0:31:050:31:06

But the fraudsters have come a long way since then and,

0:31:060:31:09

while over the years, we've certainly tried to keep you abreast

0:31:090:31:13

of their latest techniques, and also highlighted the telltale signs

0:31:130:31:16

to distinguish between a real and a fake message,

0:31:160:31:19

unfortunately, those telltale signs are getting much harder to spot.

0:31:190:31:24

But don't worry, because they may be full of ingenious new ideas,

0:31:240:31:28

but we're not about to let the scammers win,

0:31:280:31:30

so get ready for everything that you need to know to make sure that,

0:31:300:31:34

however convincing their latest tactics might be,

0:31:340:31:37

it won't be you that's taken in.

0:31:370:31:39

Now, would you be able to tell which of these e-mails is real

0:31:410:31:44

and which is fake?

0:31:440:31:46

Both look the real deal, but only one is genuine.

0:31:460:31:49

I'm not quite sure on that.

0:31:510:31:52

No, I'm not sure at all, really.

0:31:520:31:55

Erm, is that one fake?

0:31:550:31:57

But as scam e-mails become more convincing than ever,

0:31:590:32:02

you may not instantly be able to tell if something is not right,

0:32:020:32:06

and if you fall for one that turns out to be fake,

0:32:060:32:09

it could start a chain of events

0:32:090:32:10

that ends up costing you a lot of money,

0:32:100:32:13

as, unfortunately, was the case for record label manager Sarah Fisher

0:32:130:32:17

and her husband David.

0:32:170:32:19

I have a busy job, I manage lots of budgets, money,

0:32:190:32:24

hundreds of e-mails a day. You know, I have to stay on top of things.

0:32:240:32:28

The couple were adding a major extension

0:32:280:32:30

to their North London home,

0:32:300:32:31

and had agreed to pay the builder in instalments.

0:32:310:32:35

We knew it was a big building job,

0:32:350:32:37

so we made arrangements to move out for eight months and we had

0:32:370:32:41

a schedule of works and a finance plan through that with our builders.

0:32:410:32:46

The build began in July 2015,

0:32:460:32:48

and the builder's accountant e-mailed them an invoice

0:32:480:32:52

every four to six weeks, which they promptly paid.

0:32:520:32:54

But when October's invoice arrived, totalling nearly ?27,500,

0:32:540:32:59

Sarah was tied up at work, so it sat in her inbox for a few days.

0:32:590:33:03

When she got round to paying it the following weekend,

0:33:030:33:06

she noticed another e-mail from the firm's accountant,

0:33:060:33:09

advising her that the company's bank details had changed

0:33:090:33:12

and asking her to make this latest payment into a new account.

0:33:120:33:16

Nothing seemed out of the ordinary about the e-mail at all.

0:33:170:33:20

The e-mail signatures were exactly correct and in the right place,

0:33:200:33:24

the conversational tone was very familiar to us.

0:33:240:33:27

It read and felt exactly like an e-mail

0:33:270:33:29

we were used to seeing from her.

0:33:290:33:32

Sarah transferred ?25,000 - the most her bank would allow in one day.

0:33:320:33:38

But a few days later, before she'd had a chance to pay the rest,

0:33:380:33:41

she was surprised to see that the builder's accountant

0:33:410:33:44

had e-mailed again, chasing the full ?27,500.

0:33:440:33:49

My head was just saying, "No, no, no, this isn't right.

0:33:500:33:53

"It can't be right."

0:33:530:33:54

Sarah immediately rang to explain she'd already paid ?25,000

0:33:540:33:59

and the balance would be transferred later that day

0:33:590:34:02

to the company's new account.

0:34:020:34:05

But when the accountant told her there was no new account,

0:34:050:34:08

the penny dropped -

0:34:080:34:10

she'd been scammed into paying the money to someone else.

0:34:100:34:13

My mind was going out of control. I thought,

0:34:130:34:15

"I've got to solve this so I can work it out and just get

0:34:150:34:18

"my money back and get on with my life." I just needed to fix it.

0:34:180:34:21

The couple first called their bank, then the bank into which

0:34:210:34:25

the money had been paid, and finally, the police.

0:34:250:34:28

Like her, all were initially baffled because the e-mail that

0:34:280:34:32

she'd received with the new bank details did seem genuine,

0:34:320:34:35

and identical to the accountant's other e-mails.

0:34:350:34:39

But finally, one tiny difference was spotted between them -

0:34:390:34:43

the second e-mail address was missing one "s".

0:34:430:34:47

It actually took 24 hours for anyone to even notice that,

0:34:470:34:50

so for that period of 24 hours, it didn't look like fraud.

0:34:500:34:55

It seems that somehow fraudsters had been able to hack into the e-mails

0:34:550:34:59

of either Sarah or the building company,

0:34:590:35:01

and they'd then set up a very similar e-mail address

0:35:010:35:04

so that Sarah didn't notice that anything was amiss

0:35:040:35:07

when she received the fatal message with those new bank details.

0:35:070:35:11

But by the time the truth became clear,

0:35:110:35:14

the couple's ?25,000 had already left the fraudster's account.

0:35:140:35:19

To say I felt devastated doesn't really cover it because...

0:35:190:35:22

..it's something that I had done.

0:35:240:35:26

It wasn't that someone had just come into our bank account

0:35:260:35:29

and taken money.

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I'd been party to transferring this cash.

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I hadn't checked.

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I hadn't called the building company to make sure they had changed

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their bank account details.

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Unable to get any of their money back,

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Sarah and David have been left ?25,000 out of pocket,

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and their unfinished extension is a constant reminder

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of one simple but understandable mistake.

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It doesn't take a genius to be able to lay some logos on an e-mail

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in a particular way. It doesn't take a genius

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to adopt somebody's conversational tone.

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Now I see how simple it is to do it,

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I actually don't think it's that complex a crime.

0:36:090:36:11

It was actually very, very simple.

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You know, if someone has access to your communication,

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they can learn a lot very quickly.

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As Sarah discovered,

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those once blindingly obvious fake e-mails can, these days,

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be almost impossible to distinguish from the real thing,

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which, of course, is what the criminals behind them rely on

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to get the money they're set on stealing from their victims.

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Indeed, so plausible have they become that even

0:36:350:36:38

the savviest among us, with years of experience of spotting a scam,

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may well be fooled.

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It very nearly happened to our own personal finance expert,

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Sarah Pennells.

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You also have been very nearly caught out, haven't you?

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I have. I was actually writing an article about financial fraud

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and I was talking to a fraud expert,

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and about 40 minutes before I spoke to him,

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I had an e-mail from one of the social media networking accounts

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I have, asking me to reset my password.

0:37:050:37:09

And, again, I almost clicked on it because it looked so genuine.

0:37:090:37:13

It had addressed me personally and it looked official,

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and I came really, really close,

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and at the last minute, I didn't click on it,

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and when I spoke to this chap a bit later on, he told me he'd sent it.

0:37:220:37:25

He'd been trying to catch you out?

0:37:250:37:27

Yeah. And he said he was doing no more or no less

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than a fraudster would do.

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If I came that close to clicking on an e-mail,

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which would have asked for my personal details,

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then, frankly, what about other people who are online less

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and maybe not quite as cynical as me?

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Now, in the past, we've always recommended that checking

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the sender's address is a good way to see if an e-mail has really come

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from whoever appears to be sending it.

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But even that's no longer foolproof.

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Sarah's recently had some suspicious e-mails that pass that test,

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like this one, which you really would think

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came from a well-known bank.

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If you sort of hover over the e-mail address,

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so you can check where it's coming from,

0:38:070:38:09

it's actually got an address that looks like it could be plausible.

0:38:090:38:13

It just demonstrates yet again how very cautious we all have to be.

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I think that's absolutely right. These e-mails are so sophisticated

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and they can seem to come from companies that you do have

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a genuine relationship with.

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They can know stuff about you - they may know your name,

0:38:240:38:26

they may include your address, but that is not enough.

0:38:260:38:30

That shouldn't convince you that it's from the company.

0:38:300:38:33

In 2015, Action Fraud received 8,000 reports

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of so-called phishing e-mails like this every month,

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many of them from people who'd fallen for the scam

0:38:410:38:44

behind the phony message.

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So, while we all know to be on our guard,

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as digital forensic specialist Keith Cottenden knows,

0:38:480:38:52

that's not as simple as it used to be.

0:38:520:38:54

The traditional phishing e-mail scam was always, back in the day,

0:38:540:38:59

easy to spot.

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English was usually appalling,

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it was full of spelling and grammatical errors,

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and quite obviously, just by its design,

0:39:070:39:11

a phishing e-mail trying to get details -

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valuable details - about the user.

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But they have become more sophisticated.

0:39:170:39:21

Even so, Keith believes the telltale signs that an e-mail

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shouldn't be trusted are still there.

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So, to find out if people know what to look for,

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he's showing some real and fake e-mails to shoppers in Manchester,

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and we'll see if they can tell which is which.

0:39:340:39:37

I think I'd say that was genuine.

0:39:370:39:40

Sorry, you think...? That one. That one's genuine?

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I think I'd go for that one. You think that one.

0:39:430:39:45

So, we've got a difference of opinion.

0:39:450:39:47

OK, well, only one of them is genuine

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and I can tell you it's that one that's the genuine one.

0:39:490:39:52

In this type of e-mail,

0:39:520:39:53

it would never be addressed so generically like that.

0:39:530:39:57

Out of the two, I think that's more genuine than that one.

0:39:570:40:00

OK, and can I ask why you think that?

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Well, only because, "Confirm your account information

0:40:020:40:05

"within one hours". That tends to put me off

0:40:050:40:09

that somebody would want the information within one hour.

0:40:090:40:11

Yeah, absolutely. Spot-on.

0:40:110:40:13

Can I ask you why you chose that one?

0:40:130:40:15

This just sounds quite informal, whereas the other one's...

0:40:150:40:18

It just sounds more professional, I suppose.

0:40:180:40:20

Yes, that is the fake e-mail message,

0:40:200:40:23

and they're absolutely correct reasons.

0:40:230:40:25

The shoppers that Keith spoke to clearly had their eye on the ball,

0:40:270:40:30

as 10 out of 12 got it right.

0:40:300:40:32

You're quite correct, this is a fake e-mail.

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But they had been told that some of these were not genuine,

0:40:350:40:38

so they were already on the lookout for signs,

0:40:380:40:41

which Keith says just is not the way that most of us will typically

0:40:410:40:44

approach our e-mails.

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So, the best way to avoid being caught out is to check any request

0:40:450:40:49

for money, especially to an account that you haven't used before.

0:40:490:40:53

Query anything that is asking for payment by e-mail.

0:40:530:40:58

E-mail is not secure, yeah?

0:40:580:41:01

And even if you use a secure e-mail,

0:41:010:41:06

it doesn't mean that the supplier is using a secure e-mail.

0:41:060:41:09

So, conduct financial transactions by other means.

0:41:090:41:15

Of course, Sarah wishes that she'd made a call to check the message

0:41:150:41:18

that she received, but with her money gone for good,

0:41:180:41:21

she'll never take any e-mail she receives at face value again.

0:41:210:41:25

The bottom line of it is that ?25,000 is gone.

0:41:250:41:29

It makes me very angry.

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If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate,

0:41:370:41:40

then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page -

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0:41:450:41:49

or, if you'd like to send us an e-mail, our address is...

0:41:490:41:52

And, of course, you can send a letter to our postal address...

0:41:560:41:59

You know, very often in this series,

0:42:120:42:14

someone who features in one of our films

0:42:140:42:16

will at least get some of the money back

0:42:160:42:18

or have their situation resolved.

0:42:180:42:20

But one of the reasons why we all hate these scams so much is that,

0:42:200:42:24

most of the time, the people caught out by them will never,

0:42:240:42:26

ever see a penny of their cash ever again.

0:42:260:42:29

Which makes it all the more important

0:42:290:42:31

that the rest of us keep our guard up

0:42:310:42:33

and learn from what happened in such situations

0:42:330:42:35

so that we don't come a cropper in the same way.

0:42:350:42:38

And it's why we're so grateful to all the people who are prepared

0:42:380:42:41

to share their experiences with us.

0:42:410:42:43

Absolutely, because we may not be able to get their money back

0:42:430:42:46

from the scammers, but what we can do

0:42:460:42:49

is make sure that some good comes out of their stories,

0:42:490:42:52

so that you can be sure that we will always be keeping an eye

0:42:520:42:55

on the very latest scams,

0:42:550:42:56

and telling you about them as soon as we possibly can.

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For now, though, I'm afraid we've just run out of time, but as always,

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thanks for joining us and, until the next time, bye-bye.

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Bye. Bye.

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